Subject 13: More Than Two Realities?


Looking back over the comments from our various “Subject 13″ conversations, there’s a lot of discussion about whether or not we glimpsed over into a third universe during certain portions of the episode.

Personally, I believe Subject 13 to be one of the top 5 Fringe episodes in which ‘reality’ is most in question, and like some of you I think that we may have seen another..something. Another reality? Possibly, although perhaps we have to redefine ‘reality’ in this particular story?

It might be useful to put our opinions on this topic into a poll, and that’s exactly what we’re doing after the jump, feel free to issue yours.

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  1. says

    I think it’s the light on the set or the camera or something like that, but I don’t think this was the yellow universe at all :)

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  2. fedorafadares says

    I’ll be the first in this post to say yes, we did see another reality.

    Different set decoration — wall decor both inside and outside the daycare. Different colored sign lettering and foliage.
    Different “facts” — Olivia being abused as opposed to her mother, which was the story we were previously told.
    The un-remembered “meeting” of Olivia and Peter

    All these are too numerous to be continuity errors, especially on a show that revels in the small details. (Rocco, how did you EVER spot that hot air balloon?) And when you add them to other inconsistencies like flipped-images within a scene in previous episodes, I think we’ve been glimpsing another side all along.

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    • says

      “Rocco, how did you EVER spot that hot air balloon?”

      It stuck out to me – probably because I’ve spent too long theorizing about it in “White Tulip”!

      “And when you add them to other inconsistencies like flipped-images within a scene in previous episodes”

      That’s a good point.

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    • says

      So the real Peter from that reality (third universe) it’s also death? Then the Peter we see in this episode it’s actually a Peter from another reality? there are 4 universes now? and there are more Walternates? i mean another walternate angry about the kippnap.

      If that’s the case the walternate that we know doesn’t find out about our Universe from our Olivia, right? That has to be another Walternate that call his wife to tell her.

      I think that doesn’t make sense to me :(

      I know there are multiple universes but i think that’s very confusing :)

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  3. Pam says

    I said we saw another “something”. I have posted this comment in the observations article as well, but, in short, I think this may actually represent the elusive narrator, that Roco is so in search of. I think it probably indicated change of narrator from someone (observer, maybe, who is represented by yellow) to either Peter (because he is from redverse) or Olivia (because that seems to be her color); if we take it to mean that, then, the white tulip field and snow make a lot more sense.

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    • says

      Put the 3 primary colors (which represents realities in Fringe) together, and what do you get? The color white. As in: white tulip. As in: forgiveness in áll realities.

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  4. William Bishop says

    Yes, I’ll say yes not because I’m 100% sure (I’m not), but because It’s the more likely, first of all the “continuity errors”, ok Fringe is a show that rarely commits these erros and for sure not “screaming” ones like those would be.

    Now the show constantly makes references to the yellow color as also for the primary colors (Blue, Red and Yellow) as a whole which could represent three universes (just a outside reference three is known to be the perfect number and the perfect geometric form has three sides), not to forget the references the producers give on interviews (yes they could be just confusing us), by putting this together we can already get an image

    And we have some questions that could be answered with an introduction of a third party which could be responsible for a series of events (don’t you remember that “someone out there is experimenting, but only the whole world is their lab).

    So I’ll just go with yes, we are seeing an third universe that might get into play near the season finale.

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  5. real1 says

    We saw another “something” , and I still thin the theory of Olivia being from the Yellow universe is somehow can be proven ! ” what lies below ” when Peter was infected he was behind the glass with Red/Blue color and Olivia was on the other side of the glass with color Yellow .

    What If there was a war between the blue and the Yellow .. the Yellow did lose it and the only survivor is Olivia and that’s why she can travel safely between the Red and the blue ?

    and

    What if Olivia was traveling between the Yellow and the Blue during this episode ?

    What am i thinking Walter/blue did take the Red/Peter .. how Walter did discover the Red universe in the first place ? I know the window .. but the Red universe were more in technology than the blue at the time .

    I don’t think that we did see Walter/Yellow or any one else , only Olivia .

    :)

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    • real1 says

      What if Olivia was traveling between the Yellow and the Blue and the Red during this episode ?

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  6. FringeCharacter says

    I am going with: We saw another “something”

    I believe the “something” started in Marionette, following Olivia’s return. Broyles referred to himself as Colonel for two episodes and then became Special Agent once more.

    If remember correctly, after Olivia crossed over is when we saw noticeable physical changes at the daycare.

    Are the changes related to Olivia’s trips?

    Or is this all the imagination of an autistic child (Tommy Westphall) as he plays with a snow globe…

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  7. M says

    Walter already said in the first season that there is an infinite number of universes. I’m surprised we’ve gone this long without seeing more of them.

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    • Dylan says

      the problem is though that walter broke through universes and appeared at only that other one. Walter and Bell made a device that could see into other universes; only saw into that one. Olivia is able to travel universes; but only travels into that one.

      The series screwed over the actual multiverse theory and instead went their own way – which is fine, they went with the two-sided coin version. Right now, however, if they were to introduce other universes into, given what they have done in the past, it would completely ruin the show as it would present an endless number of contradictions and enormous plot holes.

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        • charliefan19 says

          I think if we are in for MORE universes, I would be glad because it would explain a few “continuity errors” and “plot holes.” But that’s about the only reason I want that to happen! I’m pretty sure that I will groan out loud if this is revealed in the finale. Loudly.

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  8. says

    Ummm… maybe the Blue Universe and Red Universe are projections of the Yellow Universe. Olivia said once that she doesnt like yellow m&m, maybe she imagined a different world for herself, but then there is no such thing as the perfect world.

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    • Count Screwloose says

      This is the closest to my theory, i.e., the two universes we know are aspects of an original universe that was torn in two. The Vacuum
      prevents them from joining together again, however that safeguard is currently in tremendous danger.

      Look for all the characters to become increasingly like their doppelgangers in this home stretch, until you have great difficulty telling them apart. Which is important considering what’s about to happen to them all…

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  9. Dylan says

    Think logically.

    For a show that could be cancelled? No, why would they introduce something like that now.
    For a show that has dealt with two worlds in every aspect; especially with the traveling? No, that wouldn’t make any sense and would conflict with almost everything the show has presented.
    Would it make the entire affair extremely convoluted if not completely incomprehensible in accordance with narrative, plot, and mythology? Absolutely.

    I don’t believe this is the case. Something was seen, but given that it was only seen once I’ll chalk it up to a slight error on behalf of the crew.

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    • says

      I’m willing to say we saw something more like an alternate reality… Maybe we saw a version of events that happened before and it the inconsistencies and changes are connected to the Boom Boom Machine, Sam Weiss, and/or the First People (Hell, maybe ven the Observers could explain what is going on). But I think that it would be wrong to make any assumptions about the direction the writers are going not to even assume they are writing with an end in mind for this Season. It may not be as “simple” ( and I usethe term loosely) as a third universe.

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      • Dylan says

        If any of the scenarios you suggested were to occur, it would only prove my statement correct; that it would convolute the show and contradict material from previous seasons.

        There’s a difference between a well though out revelation and a twist for twist’s sake.

        The show deals with two universes (plot, mythology, characters, promos, advertising, comic con, etc – you only have to reference the latest ‘Friday Reanimated’ promo to see my point). How would a third universe be executed? How would it look? Why would it look that way? How could it interact with the two existing universes? How could the actors be expected to portray them when their characters right now are the fundamental opposites of one, another? How could the show cover the expected budget of producing third-world sets and characters? Why would such a thing be introduced when the show is on the bubble of cancellation?
        Why would the writers introduce more work for themselves, having to deal with three worlds, three versions of characters, etc?

        There are a lot of variables that cannot be covered if a third universe were to be introduced.

        Most of those convinced are looking at colours. I’ve pointed out that in an episode such as ‘subject 13′, rife with references to ‘White Tulip’, that it’s in the realm of possibility that the colours are a reference to the tri-colours in ‘the equation’?

        The signs, which everyone points out, I have significant doubts in considering that the yellow version only appears on the first shot of the building at the beginning of the episode, but for the remainder it’s the blue and red version.

        There is a fifty percent chance, half-and-half, that the sign-colours are a mistake on behalf of the crew. The alternative being that it’s intentional.

        Ultimately we’ll know by the end of the season, or series (hopefully season 3 will not be the end). I just can’t help but see the issues with the idea of introducing such a thing.

        (Final note; Ask yourself, if it were revealed that the events of the previous seasons were all orchestrated by a third universe introduced at the very end with very little set-up, would you be satisfied?)

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        • Alison says

          I fully agree with you “Dylan”! If the certain “changes” do mean another reality, which I’m not saying they do or don’t, we are all aware that there are supposedly an infinite number, I doubt that it’s importance will tie so heavily into the shows overall plot. The complexity of adding another universe and having it become so entwined into an already blooming and complex plotline could overwhelm the shows ability to cover everthing. Now, I’ll agree that if there’s any show that could pull of something so complicated, it would be Fringe, and I would have faith in the creators, but right now in the series, with a new season unconfirmed, it would be a reckless move to bring such an abundance of new variables to a show that already has such a vast number of possibilities. Now we know that the “vacum” can either create or destroy. If a third reality does come into play it could likely be from a result of the machine. This of course is just my opinion. With this show it is hard to know which direction the creators will push it.

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          • Dylan says

            Your opinion is pretty much my own. I have faith that if it was introduced the writer’s could pull it off, but only if they had the time to. Time is the issue here though, with the future of the show so uncertain.

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      • says

        There is another universe. That’s for sure. And in the end, it will ‘rescue’ what’s left of the red and blue universes we come to know theses two and a half seasons.

        In all these seasons, everybody has to conclude that ‘yellow’ is safe. The facts on that are stacked up sky high.

        So: yes. This episode was multi-dimensional. But will we get to see it at the end of this season as clearly as the writers want us to see it?
        That’s an unanswered question sofar.

        What is dó believe, is that from the start of S4, we will get to see another entrancepoint for new viewers, which will translate itself as episodes for the fans that grasp back as far as to S1.

        We’ve seen it happen in S2 (example: Charlnate and Altlivia having a discussion in the car, almost identical to the one between Charlie and Olivia in S1) and in S3, and we will see it happen in S4. I’m sure of it.

        We’ve had ‘the road nót taken’ which represents the red universe, now we get ‘follow the yellow brick road’ to safety, which will be the yellow universe.

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        • Dylan says

          “Why are you so persistant in commenting and so definitive in your words”

          hypocritical much?

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          • William Bishop says

            Unlike you I don’t really think a third universe would damage the plot line, in fact it would answer a lot of questions from season 1, you asked “if it were revealed that the events of the previous seasons were all orchestrated by a third universe introduced at the very end with very little set-up, would you be satisfied?”, well a third universe could have orchestraded the events from the first season, we didn’t really see a concrete connection between ZFT and the red universe this time we were watching both universes, yes Walternate wrote the ZFT book Over There, but it didn’t show any real connection between him and the terrorist group.
            I’m only saying this from suppositions and theories, but in my opinion is the most likely that if we’re not seeing a third universe now, at least in the future and if the writers have a chance they could introduce it in season 4, that wouldn’t be “at the very end”.

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            • Dylan says

              If that were used as an answer it would only produce more questions, but that is the general nature of everything.

              A third universe would not explain how Walter’s window-device, Walter’s gateway, Olivia’s ability, Bell’s travelling, Shapeshifter’s travelling, etc. which all occur/communicate between our universe and over there, not a third universe or any other.

              The show infringed on the actual multiverse theory, choosing instead to go with the two-sided coin version as it’s a more capable narrative. More than two a fully-serialized show couldn’t comprehend with, that’s more of a sci-fi procedural tactic.

              And final point being that with the show on the bubble of cancellation, it would be reckless for them to introduce any such thing to the mix.

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              • fedorafadares says

                The example of Bell’s traveling supports the notion of a third reality, I think. When we first met Bell at the end of season 2, he was in an office in a yellow-tinged universe, breathing oxygen from a tank.

                In Over There, the color filter was blue and he seemed in fine respiratory health.

                Olivia’s travels also indicate she isn’t consistently going to a single destination. Her abilities are mysterious, at best. Yes, she crossed quite clearly to Over There at the end of last season, but what of her other travels? She went to that odd parallel world where she met Bell and experienced time slips; she ran from her home’s hallway into a field that was presumably elsewhere in her home world; she glimpsed a burning Boston “somewhere”;and if you really want to go far back, she visited John Scott in the context of another place, whether it be a physical place or not.

                While some features of the show indicate just two worlds are at play, I think there’s evidence of more than just that basic premise at play.

                It would lack creativity to place a stark limitation on such an imaginative show. At a minimum, I enjoy the ambiguity of the story and the notion of multiple worlds. It’s much more fun to stretch the imagination.

                If I wanted to watch something limiting, I’d be glued to c-span.

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                • Dylan says

                  I’m afraid, all those scenes are already explained;

                  The final scene of season 1 is carried on in ‘momentum deferred’, but because they are memories the scene is displayed differently. That world is explained to be the second universe’s in ‘there’s more than one of everything’, ‘a new day in an old town’, ‘momentum deferred’, and ‘Over There’.

                  In ‘subject 13′ she traveled to a field, obviously because the house didn’t exist there in that universe. She saw the blimps – evidenced by her drawings of them in the following scenes, the audience can also hear them. In the same episode she travels again and finds Walternate. It’s the second universe both times.

                  Season 1′s burning Boston was referenced in ‘Over There’ with the map of the united states with Boston covered with a red marker indicating its destruction, Broyles also tells Lincoln ‘we can’t have another Boston’ in the same scene Lincoln is preparing the stage building for quarantine, at the threat of annihilation from a vortex forming.

                  The scenes with John Scott occur were either memories experienced in dreams, or Olivia in hers or John’s subconscious through the tank – which was explained by Walter in the pilot episode and again in ‘the transformation’.

                  Creativity is all well and good, but you need intelligent and cohesive writing to back it up. Otherwise it’s basically all spectacle and no substance, just look the way of shows such as Flashforward or The Event, and you’ll see how those things generally turn out.

                  Twists for twist’s sake, it’s not a good thing.

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                  • fedorafadares says

                    The lines drawn by the writers, set designers, directors, et al, leave some room for ambiguity and interpretation. You may surmise that the scenes of Olivia’s memories in Momentum Deferred were shot with a yellow filter to separate them from real-time plot, but I contend that those stylistic choices can also be a layer of storytelling.

                    I suppose I see these elements beyond just the words and actions of the characters as part of the complex tale. It’s not just pretty lights and odd photographs on the wall to me…it’s depth of storytelling.

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                    • Dylan says

                      That kind of treatment yields the old tale of the audience seeing what is not there to be seen, and becoming lost amongst the threads spawned from thinking ‘what if’.

                      Let the commentaries be your guide.

                      And beyond that, let what is shown and explained be the meaning, and only leave interpretation for the material designed to be interpreted.

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  10. Dylan says

    And with an episode rich with callbacks to ‘White Tulip’, shall I say one thing to everyone busy about the colours;

    Season 1 Episode 8: ‘The Equation’.

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    • Tenison says

      What do you really mean Dylan? Hypnosis? The GGGR sequence?

      Well, I agree the show MUST have at least one more reality and I really think they are capable to do this without compromising the mithology.

      But I gotta some kind of problem, ’cause I didn’t see anything ‘new’ in this episode. But well, let’s see the Observations, maybe my perception changes…

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      • Dylan says

        Just their discussion of colours. I’ll try and find the dialogue from the transcript.

        quoting myself btw;

        “The show deals with two universes (plot, mythology, characters, promos, advertising, comic con, etc – you only have to reference the latest ‘Friday Reanimated’ promo to see my point). How would a third universe be executed? How would it look? Why would it look that way? How could it interact with the two existing universes? How could the actors be expected to portray them when their characters right now are the fundamental opposites of one, another? How could the show cover the expected budget of producing third-world sets and characters? Why would such a thing be introduced when the show is on the bubble of cancellation?
        Why would the writers introduce more work for themselves, having to deal with three worlds, three versions of characters, etc? ”

        I don’t think that they are capable of introducing this for a number of reasons, as listed above.

        Also, I don’t take so well to the idea that others have presented; that everything seen over the past three seasons has all been orchestrated by a third universe that is revealed right at the end and with minimal set-up. That would perhaps be one of the most unsatisfying revelations and/or conclusions any series of this caliber could produce.

        This main questions to ask is ‘why’; why would they introduce this now? what would be the point? and why introduce it when the show could be cancelled by year’s end?

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      • Dylan says

        My apologies, while the episode does discuss colours, I’m afraid the point I was making isn’t mentioned – and I instead must have gotten it from somewhere else.

        I withdraw the reference. However, it may be worth checking into colour perception. There’s a lot to read, but that must have been where I got the reference from.

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  11. Jenn says

    I definitely think there is a yellow universe, I just don’t think we’ve seen it yet. These changes are far too minor to be a whole different universe. I think when that happens, there will be more significant differences, or a “reveal” of some sort (like in this season’s finale).

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  12. Annette says

    I’m definitely up for more verses. If we’re going to buy into two, what’s the problem with a few more! We saw a lot of yellow and green in the last episode and there was a reason. The Fringe creators are meticulous, e.g., that awesome red balloon!

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  13. mlj102 says

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they went the route of introducing a third universe — I think there’s actually a very strong possibility that a third universe will come into play eventually — I just don’t think we’ve seen it yet. As far as the sign at the Daycare Center is concerned, I won’t rule out that there’s some kind of significance there, but I don’t think it’s supposed to be interpreted as seeing a third universe. It’s too subtle, not to mention confusing. The events of Subject 13 just wouldn’t make sense if they were to later reveal that we were actually seeing things take place in three universes. I’m all for hinting at something before actually revealing it — I think that’s brilliant — but in this instance, it would bring up far too many questions and I think it would completely ruin the story that was told in Subject 13.

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    • says

      “…I think there’s actually a very strong possibility that a third universe will come into play eventually — I just don’t think we’ve seen it yet….”

      You don’t knów you haven’t seen it yet. :)

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  14. kidentropia says

    why are people suggesting this? because olivia and peter don´t remember each other now, as adults?

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    • Dylan says

      god knows why. It’s like the number 23 – when you look for something you will see it.

      Stare at a blank wall or paper, or a random assortment of dots, and try and find a pattern; you’ll make something, no matter what. It’s a basic psychology game.

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      • says

        Why are you so persistant in commenting and so definitive in your words?
        By now, most of us know your POV, and some of us have another. I can respect yours, but can’t you respect ours?

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        • Dylan says

          If you believe that I am telling people they are wrong, look again.

          Not once have I said such a thing, but have instead suggested that many are getting ahead of themselves, and may be over-analyzing a lot of things.

          Emphasis on ‘may’, I haven’t definitively stated anything, it’s only suggestion and lists of complications with the scenario.

          I’m sorry if you feel that I am attacking your opinions, believe me when I say that I am not.

          On the other hand I do believe that I am entitled to share my opinion on multiple occasions, as have you and everyone else here, and when one asks a question such as the one that inspired both of our responses, then I am also entitled to answer it.

          Final note; “There is another universe. That’s for sure…” – it sounds more like you are the one speaking definitively.

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            • Dylan says

              Let’s just cross our fingers and hope that season 3 is not the end of this show. Answers will come, but only if it survives.

              Always enjoy shows that can inspire debate such as this. One of the reasons I miss LOST so much…

              Hi-concept shows that are written well. It’s a rarity.

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          • dragossh says

            I have to agree. Many of you are overcomplicating stuff. I remember when LOST was on air people made so many COOL theories and made the show look much more complicated than it was. Turns out the answers were rather simple and the continuity errors were not intentional at all.

            Fringe never gave out facts regarding backstory. Only unreliable narrators. Even 2.15 was told through Walter’s perspective, unlike this season where we saw events as they happened. That could make up for the inconsistencies. Now, why did Peter and Olivia not remember their meeting? Because of repressed memories. Why did Walter not mention anything to them? Probably because it was too late when they found out the truth about the experiments.

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            • Dylan says

              lol Ah, yes, LOST yielded a lot of that.

              I’m glad someone shares my thoughts. I’m open to the possibility, but I can’t help but perceive mostly negative things about it.

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          • Alison says

            Again, I agree. There is too little evidence to definitevly conclude that all these miniscule details prove the exsictance of another universe. I’m not saying that other realities won’t possibly come into play sometime, in fact there have been indications of such things for the next episode. At least I think (I haven’t seen the new one yet), but I don’t believe that another reality will become as important as our two current ones. The scenes that you mentioned, can be explained (like you said). They HAVE been already. In regards to the Jaksonville sign, it IS unusual that the show’s creators would make such an absurd mistake. It may very well be intentional, but for right now, with (no offense to anyone) nothing to confirm a third universe, there isn’t one (in my mind) that is connected to the overall plot of the show right now. I say “right now” because I wouldn’t put it past the creators to perhaps breifly introduce more universes, were the show to be granted more seasons.

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  15. giorgio - Greece says

    Unless the writers decided to change many of the things we used to call facts, then yes, we did take a glimpse of another reality.

    Of course I wouldn’t have realised that if it hadn’t been for you :-)

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  16. elisa says

    @JWFRINGE there are people on the Fringe Brazillian Forum theorizing about how we saw 3 universes on Subject 13. What can you say?
    2:20 AM Mar 2nd vía web

    @nahborghi Nope.
    2:36 AM Mar 2nd vía Twitter for BlackBerry® en respuesta a nahborghi

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  17. cvita says

    I have somewhat different perspective of this episode and for me it was not just one more new universe but two and at the end (Bishops Dynimcs) even the third one.
    IMO these stories were set in two universes (choose your colors, e.g. yellow and green) which are quite similar to our blue and red universes but yet somewhat different which give us a new narrative moment were the stories of our characters were told by their counterparts in some other universes. They mirrored what our characters went through in these important moments in there own life. And if this is true it is just a very nice way to tell us a story so we can see what our characters went thru without even being them per se.
    Maybe I’m completely wrong but there are so many things pointing out that something was off with this episode. Number of continues errors is just too big to be ignored and to just be a result of writers forgetting something. I won’t be listing all the problematic moments again because we all noticed them but I would like to add something I’ve noticed but I’m sure that anyone mentioned before. In “Peter” Walternate wore a wedding ring, and Walter did not. In this episode both Walters wore rings. Also in scene were Olivia is solving puzzles there are two rings with colors. First one has four colors red, blue, yellow and green. Second one had five colors; colors red, blue, yellow, green and purple and the pins are pointing to green on both discs. There are also two additional yellow discs. For me this was no coincidence.
    Once again I’m just saying this is a theory but for me it makes perfect sense.

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    • Tenison says

      Nice catch in the wedding ring thing, but sometimes marriage people just decide not use their wedding rings for some particular reason. It isn’t exactly a big clue.

      But I agree with you in the color discs, I’ve seen then too and I guess I commented this here – or not, but it doesn’t matter. But I didn’t realize that both of them pointed to green.

      Again, I really believe the green has its importance in the history, but we just don’t know it. I can’t believe it wasn’t pointed in the observations but I also noticed the green appears between Red and Blue before Walter starts recording the experiences with Olivia.

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  18. Bischof says

    Introducing a third universe in the plot now would be a mistake and would only confuse the audience in an already complicated plot. What we saw was merely a continuity glitch, no intended message for the writers. Sometimes, not everything is a Chejov’s Gun, and the trees are not epileptic.

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  19. Tenison says

    Okay, what I know for sure is that THERE IS some hidden clue in the scenario change – but I’m not saying there aren’t continuity errors in this episode.

    I just can’t believe they would change all the scenario without perceiving the mistake.

    But for now, I’m inclined to believe that the answer to that is the change of perspective, or the change of narrator – I think that after the change, we are seeing things from Elizabeth’s POV, and then Eliznate’s, Olivia’s and at last Walternate’s. I guess that what we are seeing are memories, and like old memories, some details might be wrong.

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    • dana says

      I can fly with that. Everyone was complaining about the picture being fuzzy, but doesn’t that play into the idea that memories are fuzzy and not always clear, especially from different people’s perceptions or the “narrator”?

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      • giorgio - Greece says

        Yeah, I thought the picture was fuzzy as well, although not through the entire episode. I thought it was a problematic file or something. Glad to see it wasn’t.

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  20. AnTo says

    Reading some of these comments and what has to trigger Olivia’s ability:

    Could it be that the pilot, or rather the moment that Olivia calls John’s name a seconde before the fireball, that this fireball was triggered by Olivia, unknowingly? fear and love extremely combined, and the beginning of the entire series?
    A very yellow blast that was, almost a yellow universe.

    If the writers think fate is that important, this could be the trigger for the three of them to meet again.
    A large scale matrix by the observers?
    So a similar end like the beginning.

    [spoiler removed - ed]

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  21. Lindsey says

    My personal theory on this is that the yellow universe will be some kind of merger of the blue and red. Not a different universe, but a new one. I think the possibility of spying things from a world we’ve never seen is more of a hint in that direction than an additional universe existing on a parallel plane from this one right now. I don’t think it explains away the continuity issues, but I don’t think any show is really free of messing up storylines every once and a while. The point someone made above about Lost is so true – that fans have a tendency to go overboard with their theorizing when the reality of the situation is very simple. Fringe is arguably way more “out there” than Lost, but I don’t see it making things unnecessarily complicated without reason. I don’t think we’ve seen the third universe yet, but I think we will.

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    • Dylan says

      “Fringe is arguably way more “out there” than Lost”

      lol you’ll be one of the few people to ever say that.

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      • Bischof says

        There’s one pretty big difference between Lost and Fringe. While in Lost the driving plot (the whole Jacob and Black Smoke thingy) remained a mystery for the most part of the series (almost 5 seasons!) and there was a need to know what was happening and why, in Fringe the driving plot (there are two universes in conflict, the laws of physics are falling apart, Walter lost his son and abducted his double’s, his crossing weakened the reality fabric, he experimented with Olivia and gave her special abilities) has been introduced slowly but steadily (and at the same time the characters’ plots evolved).

        After 2 seasons we knew perfectly the main picture, the main conflict (Walter Vs Walternate primarily, but also the Red side tearing apart), before another plot (First People, Sam Weiss) was introduced. In Fringe details aren’t that obscure or enigmatic, nor are we so direly needed of answers, because we’re receiving answers with a steady pace. Most mysteries have been answered with the simplest of answers (and hey, that didn’t make them less enticing) and plots don’t look so convoluted. And we should have learnt from Lost that sometimes a pipe is just a pipe.

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  22. YourPique says

    We may or may not have seen it in this episode, but a 3rd universe is coming. It was confirmed in the Lightning Round by Jeff & J.H.

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