Quick update: It’s been claimed that a copy of Violet Sedan Chair‘s “Seven Suns” album, planted in reel-life by the Fringe powers that be, has been discovered in a Seattle record shop. (As pictured above).
A human-being named Kiki Kane has posted evidence of the discovery and uploaded several of the tracks.
Update #1 Added links to the 10 discovered tracks below.
Update #2 Clearer shots of multiple copies of Violet Sedan Chair, along with more information.
VIOLET SEDAN CHAIR – SEVEN SUNS:
According to Kiki Kane: “Velvet [Violet] Sedan Chair “Seven Suns” LP Side 1 this copy was found in Seattle, WA at Easy Street Records in Queen Anne”.
You can listen to the uploaded tracks – “Seven Suns (Rising)” – “Slow Vibration” – “Hovercraft Mother” – “She’s Doing Fine” – “Long List of Lovers”, here.
I haven’t had time to check the authenticity of this discovery yet, so bear that in mind. But it holds up pretty well. If you’re baffled as to what this is all a-boot, see this post.
Thanks to everyone who sent this through (and, of course, Kiki, if the find is legit). If anyone has any more information on the above, or finds any backwards Number Station transmissions or whatever, feel free to share in the comments.
UPDATE: You can find all of the tracks HERE (credit: LetItPlayOut), with the exception of the ‘missing’ track 11 “Greenmana“, which is listed on then album but ‘apparently’ not on the record.
UPDATE: On Jan 17th, the intrepid LetItPlayOut uploaded clear shots of their Violet Sedan Chair copy:
While Kiki Kane has done the same here, along with all the tracks from their Violet Sedan Chair copy:
“Here at last are some clear shots of the back cover and vinyl labels, and all the tracks from my copy of Seven Suns found at Easy Street Records on Queen Anne in Seattle Wa.”
A quick search reveals that 13th Tone Records was trademarked on Tuesday, April 14, 2009:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2009, a U.S. federal trademark registration was filed for 13TH TONE RECORDS. This trademark is owned by Constant …, ********, Los Angeles, CA 90025. Trademarkia.com is a free search engineof publicly available government records. Trademarkia.com is not a law firm and does not represent owners & correspondents listed on this page.
This is just before JJ. Abrams easteregg filled Wired article came out – the birth of Violet Sedan Chair, which has since manifested in the world of Fringe. Bad Robots! And by bad, I mean good. And by good, I mean naughty:
The liner notes on Violet Sedan Chair’s album Seven Suns list a missing 11th song, and the penultimate track is rumored to produce hallucinatory effects when played on multiple turntables.
Anyone tried playing the penultimate track, which would be “Re Fa Mi Si Sol La”, on ‘multiple turntables’?
You may also remember his comments from this part of the article:
There’s discovery to be made and wonder to be had on the journey that not only enrich the ending but in many ways define it.
Think back, for example, to how we used to buy music. You would have to leave your apartment or house and actually move your ass to another location. You’d get to the store, where music would be playing on the stereo. Music you may not have heard before. Perhaps you’d ask the clerk what it was and she’d send you to a bin—those wooden containers holding actual albums or CDs—and you’d look through it, seeing other album covers that might catch your eye. You’d have a chance to discover something.
But wait, you say, iTunes gives you the chance to browse! To that I nod, concede the point, and say, “Bullshit.” Those little icons you scroll past mean almost nothing to most of us. Why? Because we didn’t get on the train, brave the weather, bump into strangers, and hear music we didn’t choose. In other words, we didn’t earn the right to casually scan those wooden bins. Lately I go to Amoeba Music in Hollywood just to watch people flip through albums. It’s a lost art.
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This is awesome! Please let it be true!
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“It has arrived”.
Now: listen, play backwards, play on deifferent speeds, and so on.
But remember: there’s more than one of everything.
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“She looks a lot like Alice with nowhere to go, And no white rabbit to follow…” <3
"She's doing fine" is one fine song.
And I think you will figure it out by yourself Roco, but if you flip the cover, you will get the visual of "Olivia in the tank". (Look here: http://bit.ly/gjQ4tE). And suns = yellow dots. Also those ‘plants branchs’ besides woman face (OLIVIA) looks like a GATE.
Well, and I need to say it sounds uhm kinda unexpected… different maybe… because of those ‘viral videos’ on youtube. But we’ll see how the other songs will sound like.
greets, Bastian
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Well, and this is a horrible guess, but there have been a lot of important father/son relationships, so maybe the title implies something related to that? Seven SONS?
And obviously the “Slow Vibrations” has to do with the capsule from The Arrival…
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The only reference about “Seventh Son” that I know about is the book by Orson Scott Card. In that story the 7th son of a 7th son is one who is suppose to have special powers and can alter the world around him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Son
Peter is the son in the Fringe story and we have been told he is special. The Machine is meant to change to world/universe in some way as well.
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Okay, that makes sense too.
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Ok, assuming this is all real, the clue or clues should be in the lyrics, right…?
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i might be album art, or hidden also
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This whole thing reminds me of Geronimo Jackson from Lost. I still don’t know if that band was for real and I don’t know what Violet Sedan Chair is all about. But the music is great.
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Is it just me or does he sing “suns” in a very wierd way?
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Jimi, it’s all weird – I’ve only listened carefully to “She’s doing fine” and they’re talking about someone, a she, but they focus in little bits and then they start comparing her to Alice but then they say she talks slow and she’s gonna drop the habit and then she’ll be doing fine – it’s like: WTF??
I don’t know, maybe i’m fringifying things way too much and I cannot consider the existence of simple things anymore, but this song, in particular, feels completly nonsense and fabricated, totally un-natural. Maybe there’s some message in here, I don’t know :/
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I don’t know, maybe i’m fringifying things way too much and I cannot consider the existence of simple things anymore
awesome
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She walks tall with an open mind,
Heads turning as she passes by,
She needs rhythm but she don’t need rhyme,
And one glance is gonna get you high.
Now, she’s doing fine all the time,
She winks once to say hello,
And winks twice when it’s time to go,
She pops in when she needs a ride,
Yeah, she’s doing fine all the time,
She looks a lot like Alice with nowhere to go,
And no white rabbit to follow,
She’s falling fast now and she’s talking slow,
She’s gonna kick the habit tomorrow,
Tomorrow,
And when she does she’ll be doing fine all the time,
She’ll be doing fine all the time,
Well , it’s sound good .
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About “She is doing fine” by Violet Sedan Chair: Of course I think of this song relating to Olivia; who puts up a brave front, of being fine, and was told by Charlie “your gonna be fine.” She is also our Alice who went to another world.
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Yeah, I agree, just like it says in the lyrics, Olivia thought she was coming back to wonderland (blue-verse) but, not so! She realized she has nowhere to go (she has come back home to nobody) and no white rabbit to follow (projection Peter – although this is still Olivia’s own inner mind, she is depressed now so, she feels aimless). She is falling down into grief fast and she is talking (venting out) about very slow. But, she will be fine tomorrow, she will be fine (and that is all we want)!
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does anyone else find this scratching noise (every two seconds) in seven suns weird? almost like there is a noise underneath …. or is this just to emphasize the psychedelic vibes?
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Yep!! As if some background sound ends there and it keeps on repeating… But why? That doesn’t happen in the other songs of the album…
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At the beginning the sound/noice is only on the “left” (channel)… from 4:35 on the noice is on both channels and different from the beginning. More balanced.
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The sound is meant to mimic the sound of a scratched record, an all-too-familiar sound to anyone who grew up with vinyl.
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I listen to some old songs on MP3 and expect them to skip at the parts they did when I had them on vinyl lo the many years ago.
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This is so cool if it’s legit. Soo does anyone have an idea who are the real musicians singing the songs?? The album artwork does look identical to the Violet Sedan Chair T-shirt that Walter was sporting in one of the promo photos for the “The Firefly” episode.
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I’m guessing one of those singers is JJ Abrams.
I’ve only had a chance to listen briefly, but if there’s keyboard that could be Abrams as well. For those of you that didn’t know JJ plays keyboard, check out this YouTube vid link. http://www.youtube.com/watchv=Sqz5dbs5zmo
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The cover art looks like the work of Mary Fleener. This would make sense to me. Since the Fringe people got DC Comics to make the alternate universe comic book covers why not get a famous alternative comics artist to do this album cover. The kind of people making Fringe are the kind of people who would know and enjoy Mary’s artwork, and Mary is the kind of artist that Violet Sedan Chair would get to do their album cover. Very nice touch if I’m right about this.
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In Seven Suns it says something about a hurricane coming. Like William Bell saying “A storm is coming.” The pulse in the background is really weird, since t doesn’t match the beat of the song but appears at consistent intervals, as far as I can tell. Does anyone else find the intro to Slow Vibration really creepy? It reminds me of the creepy youtube video.
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Cool ! Was wondering it we would ever find one.
Violet sedan chair = Olivia Card He Sent
:p
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nah- it’s Olive Can Read This
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I know, just having fun with it :p
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If you use one of the suns as an “O” you can sort of spell out “Olivia” with the strands of her hair.
Is that a yellow brick road?
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When I saw the t-shirt Walter is wearing my first thought actually was that this looks like Olivia.
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I haven’t had a chance to listen to them yet, and what’s been said so far is fascinating. All I know is that those who have the actual vinyls need to play them backwards!
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Oh, white tulips on both sides?
Draw a line between them and in the middle there’s also “two lips.”
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Also, is it my imagination or does that “Long List of Lovers” conclude with “William and Walt”?
Would certainly add fuel to the fire of those theorists who believe Nina may have been involved with both Bishop and Bell…
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Yes i thought i heard that too.
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Yes! There definitely were William and Walter in the “long list of lovers” (the ending “ter” can hardly be heard).
She got around)))
Hope, it’s true and we’re gonna find out something new about Walter and Nina son
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I’ve said it before and I still think Peter is Walter & Nina’s biological son. Maybe Nina couldn’t carry Peter for some reason? It’s possible Walter hypnotized Elizabeth and implanted him. We saw how he successfully hypnotized Peter.
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I’m in with the Nina is Peter’s mother theory as well. But what about the Nina in the red universe? I wish that she’d turn up.
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The producers of the show hinted many times that Alt-Nina would soon appear and it’s gonna be kinda a big reveal about her)
and I also think that Nina is Peter’s real mother.
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The producers (or someone like that) also said Alt-Nina was not going to be in science (or anything to do with Bell/Walter) at all. If that is so, then, I doubt that she could have been Peter’s mother in both verses.
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It may not be “seven sons” or “Seventh Son”. Check out this link for “Seven Suns saga” – the people in this story use ancient alien technology to try to create a new star but, end up getting into a mess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_of_Seven_Suns
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There are two A’s on there left and right of the yellow brick road that look like the symbol on her uncle’s kayak.
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And if you look at the cover up side down the ‘S’ looks like the scar on Alt-Charlie’s face.
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It certainly does….
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Second side of the album has been posted too. Hope everyone can locate it.
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Never mind. Found it! Please delete the above comment if possible.
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YES!
This is awesome! I HAVE to own one of these & won’t sleep well until I do.
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woah, somehow this comment got in front of an earlier one or my computer is #@$*ed, also dont delete my comment please haha
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also, being a musician, I feel inclined to say that, considering this is the fav album of the fav band of a guy who loves great music like Al Green and Bach, upon first listen the actual music is rather mediocre and slightly disappointing… I was hoping that JJ was the real keyboardist and the rest of Bad Robot was VSC…
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and lastly, seven suns rising is very Pink Floyd Saucer Full of Secret or Meddle but the rest of it, despite being remotely catchy, also doesn’t sound convincingly 70′s… I guess JJ didn’t find musicians with as much attention to detail as he (or at least I…) would have probably liked… Why JJ after all that psyching myself up do you give me hopelessly mediocre music? WHY?
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I also thought the vocalist sounded a bit like David Gilmour, but I got more of an Obscured by Clouds feel from it. It sounds sort of like generic progressive rock, but I haven’t listened through the whole thing yet.
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Cowbell in Hovercraft Mother. Anything to do with Gene?
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Here are the rest of the songs, except for the hidden 11th track: http://soundcloud.com/letitplayout/sets/violet-sedan-chair-seven-suns-lp-side-2/
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All the songs are great. It really has that late sixties-early seventies feel. Is the band for real or not? Grrr I hate it when I’m confused by excellent viral marketing.
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you kidding me? it totally sounds like someone in 2010-2011 trying to sound like the late sixties-early seventies…
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the guitar tones are almost all too new and digital/solid state sounding and the recording is clearly digital NOT analog and certainly not the sound of a vinyl record (listen to the drums and tambourine, so washy)
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though ^this^ may be on purpose so it can appeal to those that did not grow up with anything other than the (CD and) iPod and crappy pop music haha
gotta love Hover Craft Mother though…
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there’s good and bad in everything…
the more I listen the more I like, but only cause it’s FRINGElicious
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Love the word, how about absofringely wonderful.
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haha I can dig it
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First of all, I said it feels, not sounds, 60s/70s. Big difference. I happen to have all of Pink Floyd on LPs so I can tell the difference between digital and analog just fine, thank you. What I meant was that they captured the “old style” and it could conceivably come from that era. Again, feels, not sounds.
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I don’t mean to be sassy, but please, learn how to express yourself and don’t insult me:
it couldn’t feel like that without sounding like that because all you have is an audio track so I see no difference, plus, we musicians use ‘feel’ to refer to the sound and general auditory ‘mise en scene’…
either way, it doesn’t (honestly sound or feel genuinely from that time period), not to me anyways, at least not entirely* and considering I’m both a DJ and a trained jazz musician since the age of six…
you should also be aware that Pink Floyd is not the be all and end all of music, especially not (technically) good music or music available on a vinyl record (try buying some Al Green or James Brown or Fela Kuti or maybe even some Dave Brubeck or Funkadelic or YES or The Wailers or The Budos Band or Sugarman 3 & co. and put the Floyd down for a while…). I also own the Pink Floyd discography as well as a plethora of other, ^better records^ & I own my own high quality ’70s-vintage Technics quartz turntable, a killer ’70s-vintage Pioneer SX-440 amp & a pair of premium high-end high-output vintage ’70s Thiel speakers and this album sounds nothing like anything I play through that, [comment removed by ed. - let's play nice].
*(the guitar tones are all off and clearly run through a solid state, rather than analog, amp which really wouldn’t have been very popular or maybe wouldn’t have even been available to the general public in ’71 as I said before, the cymbals are washy so they were clearly recorded digitally, and most importantly the harmonies, melodies, and note choices do not reflect the intended time period…)
[comment removed by ed. - let's play nice].
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Who’s insulting who, exactly?
I’m sorry I ever said anything, oh wise musician who knows best.
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lol, wow, great job!
Funkadelic by-law #11:
to not know is bad, to not wish to know is worse
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relax guy, all I said was the truth…
and Rocco’s right we should all just play nice no need to ‘take a tone’/for this comment at all:
“First of all, I said it feels, not sounds, 60s/70s. Big difference. I happen to have all of Pink Floyd on LPs so I can tell the difference between digital and analog just fine, thank you.”
you’re welcome
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also, I did not mean to ruin your time, only to educate, my apologies if I ruined your experience to any degree. I would be surly if someone ruined my FRINGE viewing experience. I love this show too much.
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I sure do like this music. The technical side of things can be thrown out the window because this has to do with FRINGE. How do we know these albums came from this universe?
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good point… I was wondering about that…
plus, good art is usually under appreciated, so they probably had to emo-it-up a bit to make it appealing to the musically uneducated as well
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assuming it came from ‘over here’ and over here is even supposed to be our universe… maybe the third is reality itself outside the tv screen… hmm…
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As for finding the missing track – whoever has the record should try picking up the needle and placing it at random onto the album until they find it. The band ‘Tool’ actually hid a track within a track in this manner on the original ‘Opiate’ vinyl lp. Give it a try and good luck!
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that’s slick
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I loved this part
Book 4: Scattered Suns (2005)
The war between the Hydrogues and Faeros continues. The Hydrogues offer the Ildirans peace if they help destroy the humans, but the Ildiran empire is preoccupied with rebellion as Jora’h’s brother launches a bloody rebellion across the Ildiran planets, appointing Jora’h’s own first-born son as its leader.
In the Terran Hanseatic League, Chairman Basil Wenceslas continues his red-herring war against the Roamer clans. Their homes destroyed, the wandering Roamers scatter into hiding, trying to keep their culture and government intact, even when faced with enemies from all sides. Cesca Peroni, leader of the Roamers, finds herself stranded on a small icy outpost where miners have uncovered a hibernating army of Klikiss robots. These robots, along with other, already active ones, trigger another dark and ancient plot, one that could lead to a massacre across all human-inhabited planets
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The only thing I’ve found so far is that Hovercraft Mother and Long List of Lovers are both exactly the same length.
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they also are pretty repetitive lyrically. hmm.. some kinda connection?
anyway, I had a listen and it turned out to be pretty decent stuff. really captured that retro feel.. to my surprise (wouldn’t expect a fictional band to be any good, right?)
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this is now on my ipod
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How did you do that?
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Anything can be done with the right cable and/or software…
I’m really liking this album, even though I guess it’s not “authentic” 60s 70s psychedelic rock. Should it have been recorded on analog tape decks with a room-size Moog? Well, I wouldn’t have complained…
It is an awesome thing to have in the Fringeverse and I’m glad I got to hear it!!
Now my mind wanders…. if this album was always playing in the Bishop household, could it have been accidentally or purposely planted as a hypnotic suggestion in a young impressionable Peter’s mind……..???
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Brilliant idea! Can’t wait to see the connection between Walter and Roscoe. Is it me, or are far too many people housed in mental hospitals?
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couldn’t have said it better myself
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^referring^ to ABR’s comment on the jams
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Has anyone listened to it backwards yet?
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In “Seven Suns (setting)”, starting at about 2:00, there is something masked backwards in the song. I don’t have time to reverse it right now – anyone else get a chance?
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@YourPique:
I need better equipment, but I’m pretty sure I can hear the word “manna” (or “mana,” I guess) repeated in the left channel if you reverse that section; I suspect it’s a hint about the missing 11th track. I wouldn’t bet the ranch on it, but the phrase sounds something like “She’s bringing “unintelligible” manna “unintelligible.” There’s somebody either reciting something or making a speech in the right channel, but it’s too faint for me to make out.
Having said all that, I believe they key to unlocking “Seven Suns” is in slowing down some track or a portion of a track. There are “slow down” hints scattered all through the lyrics and it would be a nice variation on the standard backmasking trick.
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could it be un-edible (im horrible at spelling…un eatable..lolol)…cause if it was that it could be a Biblical reference, unedible manna, something that should sustain you but wont…
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Yeah, I was also able to ear that speech (sound like a newsreport)…but i couldnt isolate it… I “think” I was able to ear something like:
“…. being accused ….. secret (place) ….”
But the music is too loud to be sure of it…I may be allucinated right now:) I played with filters and equalizator for 2 hours and I only got a headace…
If you want to try cut the between 2:00 and 2:40, reversed it, and slown by 0.8.. and then with filters try to enhance that… but this is the hard part.
Since my motherlinguage is not english, and i’m not pro at audio editing….you may be able to understand more of it…
I wish you good luck^^
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Yeah… you have the time exactly right… 2:00 to about 2:44 — in the speech I think I hear him say “but it has to be a secret” at least once.
I’m gonna listen to it with some decent headphones to see if I can make it out.
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my (personal opinion/)final verdict: it sounds like poorly interpreted ’66-’76 pop music, which may or may not be entirely on purpose (I can hear that some of it isn’t intentional for sure, IMO) but, you do the best you can with what you’ve got, so I’m trying to love it and it’s working
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This music is quite reminiscent of a late Sixties Boston-based psychedelic group called Ultimate Spinach–even the Art Deco font on their self-titled album is similar. Their stuff is readily available on YouTube, so check them out if you feel inclined, especially a song called “Ego Trip” which really captures the late-1960′s sound.
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Could that darker squiggle (looking like hair?) above the face be First People writing like we saw on the pieces to the machine and that were on Walternate’s version of paper of Peter in the machine? Is the machine something about “Zeno”? Or I think there’s something called a “zeno machine” like a “turing machine”? Or “Zeno effect”? Read something about zeno effect on wikipedia. It would be cool if that dark squiggle was “zeno” or it’s equivalent and could hint at that topic coming up later in the season?!
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Pretty sure it’s legit – Hovercraft Mother was the song heard in the deleted scene of Over There Part 2 aka the Ford ad.
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She winks once to say hello,
And winks twice when it’s time to go,
She pops in when she needs a ride,
Yeah, she’s doing fine all the time
In “She’s Doing Fine” could they be talking about the way that Olivia switches universes?
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I think so, but only because my guess for the missing line in the song is “sliding indie style down the waterslide”. Waterslide being a metaphor for the tank of course.
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I think so, but only because my guess for the missing line in the song is “sliding indie style down the waterslide”. Waterslide being a metaphor for the tank of course.
correction: perhaps it was actually “sitting indian style down the waterslide” ?
from what I found on wikipedia, sitting indian style is cross-legged, and a yoga pose that may or may not help in meditating for enlightenment. so if, I got that right then it kinda fits in with how Olivia crosses. i.e. taking drugs to hallucinate a crossing in a water tank. Although she actually lays down in the tank I’m guessing the crossed leg position mentioned in the song is another metaphor for crossing universes – or I just got the word sitting wrong!
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Is there any way to play mp3 backwards? o_0 Also maybe the record scratch sounds spell out a code?
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Audacity, that program will suit all your mp3 editing necessities for this project
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Ahh! I don’t know which is cooler: having found the actual album or being on Fringe Bloggers.
I’ve been a lurker here forever but I really should post.
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LetItPlayOut,
thanks so much for sharing this with all of us. When you went to look for it, how did you ask for it. I went to an indi store and they have never heard of all the references I gave them.
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It was on my second trip to the store (Easy Street Records, Seattle) that I actually found it. The people at the cash register had no idea what I was talking about. I then asked the guy working at the trade-in counter and he remembered hearing something about a fake band promotion. It was the manager/owner who actually knew about the album.
The manager said that his instructions were to file it as “used” either alphabetically or under the “Used – New Arrivals” section. Because it is considered “used” it most likely will not be in the store’s database and that’s why people are having a hard time finding it just by calling stores, I think.
My copy was actually in a stack of records that didn’t have price tags on them sitting behind the counter. Lucky for me the manager was super nice and checked it “saying today was my lucky day”. He priced it at $5. Since I was so lucky I had to share it with everybody. What’s the fun in looking for clues by yourself?
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Thanks for the tip.
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wow $5 you are a lucky man! that record store owner is awesome, he probably could have ebay-ed that for tons of scrilla
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forgot to add:
CONGRATULATIONS!
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Thanks! I’m actually a girl but whatevs.
I believe a 4th copy has been found too. Besides @k1k1chan
and me @LetItPlayOut.
@cpedraza -http://twitter.com/#!/cpedraza/status/27152828497666048
M Watts – http://craftywatts.blogspot.com/2011/01/violet-sedan-chair.html
The first 3 were found at the Queen Anne location and the last one at the West Seattle location of Easy Street Records.
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I’m actually a girl but whatevs…
lol that actually made me laugh out loud
you are a lucky woman, nice hunting
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“The manager said that his instructions were to file it as “used” either alphabetically or under the “Used – New Arrivals” section. Because it is considered “used” it most likely will not be in the store’s database and that’s why people are having a hard time finding it just by calling stores, I think.”
That COMPLETELy ties into JJ Abrams’ comments actually IN the Wired article:
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/17-05/mf_jjessay
Think back, for example, to how we used to buy music. You would have to leave your apartment or house and actually move your ass to another location. You’d get to the store, where music would be playing on the stereo. Music you may not have heard before. Perhaps you’d ask the clerk what it was and she’d send you to a bin—those wooden containers holding actual albums or CDs—and you’d look through it, seeing other album covers that might catch your eye. You’d have a chance to discover something.
But wait, you say, iTunes gives you the chance to browse! To that I nod, concede the point, and say, “Bullshit.” Those little icons you scroll past mean almost nothing to most of us. Why? Because we didn’t get on the train, brave the weather, bump into strangers, and hear music we didn’t choose. In other words, we didn’t earn the right to casually scan those wooden bins. Lately I go to Amoeba Music in Hollywood just to watch people flip through albums. It’s a lost art.
…so maybe it’s his intent to FORCE people to have to go to the store & look in a record bin to find it?
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hey there letitplayout… I am another one who found an album in seattle.. would you be interested in meeting up to compare albums?? hit up my blog and message me if you are!.. I hope you read this..
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Considering the way this album was hyped in the show as being the soundtrack to these characters’ lives, there was no way this album could meet or exceed our expectations. Having said that, it’s an awesome album that really has a great 60s 70s tone and how many shows would go to this length for viral marketing?? Not many.
I choose to see it as this “group” was way ahead of their time and were plugged into some alter-realty zeitgeist–the same “spirit” that Walter and Bell and Peter & Olivia & Astrid & Gene are all plugged into. What if this album was made on the Other Side, where their technology is advanced but they are still behind in some ways? What if it was recorded Over There in the 70s but with their version of digital? Whoa I just blew my own mind, man.
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lol or music that we listen to now (harmonies that reflect 2011 etc…) was around in the 70′s over there (their history is slightly ahead of our own right?)
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So… 13th Tone is something to do with a spiritual state of mind? higher level of consciousness?
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there are 12 tones in ‘western’ harmony (do re me fa so la ti do + their sharps/flats = 12) so it’s like sixth finger records or third shoe records or something in meaning so yeah, some higher level of consciousness or something more/beyond
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I’ve done some reading online about the 13th tone and I just wanted to check if anyone else had. “The ancient Maya had an entirely different relationship to the number 13, actually revering it at as the Key to Time itself. 13 is the Mayan galactic prime number, the Force of The Universal Movement of Creation.” ,
but I don’t know…
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that’s awesome
in Indian classical music, I believe, there are 24 tones. I wonder whether or not the 13th has a similar meaning?..
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I’m listening to “Last Man is Space” and found some fun references. It talks about being left behind in a different world in the repeated chorus:
“It’s a shame you got left behind – follow the sound
It’s a shame there’s no gravity pulling you down
It’s a shame you had to leave me here – I don’t wanna die
It’s a shame at the end of time to leave my only word behind”
Which could be Olivia at the end of season two or maybe Peter after Walter took him.
Great song!
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consider how the track “Keep Climbing” references how “I looked inside in search of me, and found a forest in a tree, they tried their best to cut me down, and sell my branches by the pound, your not alone your not the only one, thrown upon the ocean as the moon becomes the sun”. To me this sounds like Olivia when she was on the other side where they were experimenting her and eventually trying to cut her into little pieces.
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“Sol” is the proper name of our Sun. Thought that was neat that they threw it in the title of “Re Fa Mi Si SOL La”.
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nice work Dr. Bishop
that’s true, it’s SO in the Hungarian teaching method everyone knows from The Sound of Music (Do Re Me Fa So La Te Do)
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Mi & Ti or Me and Te? I can’t remember… but I know So is So
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Also, just wanted to point out that the ‘record scratch’ noise everyone is talking about on here is most likely due to a poor vinyl to digital transfer when the original uploader copied it to computer. Their turntable must have a bit of wobble to it or the tone arm is probably not balanced properly, the stylus itself could just be old or dirty as well. As neat as it would be if that was another clue/easter egg, I highly doubt they would go to the trouble, coming from an audio engineering background I have to believe this.
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In regard to the “missing” track, Greenmana:
In art and mythology, the Green Man is a face, usually male, composed of or peering through vegetation; it symbolizes growth and rebirth and can often be found carved on the facade of cathedrals.
Mana is a Maori/South Pacific word that designates soul or spiritual quality; it can apply to people or inanimate objects.
Any thoughts?
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OK everyone, if you found one of the 4 versions of this album… rip track 10 (assuming that is the penultimate track) and lets splice all 4 versions together and see if we get that hallucinogenic reaction.. or at the very least a secret message embedded in the quadraphonic tracks.
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on that not, how did these vinyl records become mp3 or mp4s? did someone who found a hard copy actually happen to own analog to digital conversion tech?
making a vinyl into digital is pretty expensive, as far as I know, is it not?
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well, you can buy a USB turn table fairly cheeply. (you can find them on Amazon) Other than that, old turn tables have line out, which could be connected to the sound card on a PC. I assume that soundcloud.com got them using one of those methods.
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I’ve noticed that the back of the album reads “Greenmana” where as the album itself reads “6. Green Mana”. This must be intentional. Also the back of the album has the first letter of the track names highlighted with a colored box where Greenmana is the only one that does not. Also: Except for Greenmana the track “Re Fa Mi Si Sol La” the “Si Sol La” do not have the colored boxes over the first letters. I also notice that “Si” is not a solfège syllable (or “sol-fa syllable”). Si might be Spanish. Considering that solfège is a “pedagogical solmization technique for the teaching of sight-singing in which each note of the score is sung to a special syllable” there’s weight on it’s interpritation
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yes
I think you’re onto something with the solfege and the highlighted stuff for sure! Anyone try ‘jumble’ing the highlighted letters or the un-highlighted ones yet ? (may be the reason the syllables are misspelled)
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well, here I go with questions before fully looking for the answers. “Si was originally in Solfeg. Solfeg was origonilly created in the eleventh century by the music theorist Guido of Arezzo who developed a six-note ascending scale that went as follows: ut, re, mi, fa, sol, and la. A seventh note, “si” was added shortly after. The names were taken from the first verse of the Latin hymn Ut queant laxis, where the syllables fall on their corresponding scale degree. and Si (from the initials for “Sancte Iohannes” for “O Saint John”) was added to complete the diatonic scale. In Anglo-Saxon countries, “si” was changed to “ti” by Sarah Glover in the nineteenth century so that every syllable might begin with a different letter. the kind of solfeg used on the album is called a romance language and it uses a fixed “do” in which each syllable corresponds to a note-name.
We would call this “Old Tech” solfeg because it was used up until the 19th century and then changed. If we were to write this track name with the new Solfeg it would be “Re Fa Mi Ti So La” and in numbers it would be “2,4,3,7,5,6″ if you count the notes place in solfeg. if we number them with their pitch class it’s “2,5,4,11,7,9″
Let us consider the “13th tone” symbol. every key isrepresented except a black key for “mi”.
I’m wondering if these two things are a key. We know that they are using the romantic solfeg which indicates they are using a fixed “do”. maybe by removing the “Re Fa Mi Si Sol La” from the song or just listening to the “Re Fa Mi Si Sol La” we would actually be listening to “greenmana”
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That is absolutely fascinating! I want to learn more about this.
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that’s true, it is music-instruction ‘old tech’! I forgot about the fixed do since I never learned it, only that the system exists (it is supposed to be very difficult to use)
that’s one heck of a theory home slice
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Re is a spelling for the Egyptian Sun God.
“Re (Ra) was the Egyptian sun god who was also often referred to as Re-Horakhty, meaning Re (is) Horus of the Horizon, referring to the god’s character. The early Egyptians believed that he created the world, and the rising sun was, for them, the symbol of creation. The daily cycle, as the sun rose, then set only to rise again the next morning, symbolized renewal and so Re was seen as the paramount force of creation and master of life. His closest ally is Ma’at, the embodiment of order and truth.”
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/re.htm
See how the wording of who Re is matches some themes of FRINGE?
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wondering … could “Re Fa” be a reference to “ReFer” as in marijuana?
This is a psychedelic band after all …
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or in case the puppetmasters got really tricky on us:
anyone notice if the different copies have different letters highlighted or any different spellings or album art or anything? (maybe there’s a hidden anagram or it’s mnemonics or something?)
PS: FELICITOUS FIRST FRINGE FRIDAY FELLOW FRINGIES!
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It lists on the album Roscoe Joyce as percussion and vocals. On Fringe tonight he is supposed to be the Keyboardist of the band (with Christopher Lloyd playing the part). Not sure if anyone else caught that.
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maybe its from over there and over here he plays keys
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I just rewatched Jacksonville and the cover of the album looks similar to the one wall in the day care room. Yellow brick road with a sun at the end.
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I found a copy of Seven Suns earlier today at Good Records in Dallas, TX. They only received one. After searching through what I thought was their entire used record collection, I finally broke down and questioned the guy behind the counter. He said he would only say that there was one “hidden” somewhere in the store. I said I’d looked through all the used inventory, and he asked slyly, “Did you?” Yeah, I might have missed a few boxes on the other side of the store. It was filed under “V” and I paid $10 for it.
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Does yours look different from the one found in Seattle?
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I spent a good portion of last night going over every detail of the cover and record itself. Nothing appears different from the pictures previous finders have posted. Sadly, I don’t even have a record player! I’d love to give it a real listen.
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future shop, $50, get one. it will make your life better plus you have a great record collection starter in vsc
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Guys!
Is anyone here deeply musically tuned? I started with music at 4 and can tell you some stuff
The 13th tone is when THE TONES REPEAT. The 8 white keys enclose the black keys but the 8th key is an octave.
So something on this album needs to be looped end to end. Look for “Savage Insight” comments on the Violet Sedan Chair steampunk video on youtube for more stuff.
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oh yeah, 13th tone is an octave. I like your theory, it’s as though it’s musically referring to the way Brandon showed us time with the water in a tube… or the looping idea
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Or when Walter folded the paper on itself in “White Tulip” when he was talking about time travel?
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Green mana refers to Astrid. At different parts in the ep she was called Kelly and Ashram. Kelly = green, and Ashram = where the mana (minds) are flexed. I found this on another site btw.
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Has anyone looked into the idea of the letters being color coded for a reason? and why there are color squares all over the back of the cover?
And also, what the heck are all those instruments listed that the band members play?
I see there is:
Roscoe Joyce: percussion, harp (oddly the A in the letter design looks like the half life symbol, which is also the 11th greek letter?), saxophone, and vocals
Davey Plunkett: organ, electric piano, [mellotron?]
Joe Priest: electric bass, hammer [dulckder?]
Richard Lather: vocals, tamborine, [crotales?]
Mick Michaels: drums, [prepared?] paino
As well, has anyone deduced any anagrams from any of the other band members names?
Also, why is the “O” in “SIDE ONE” and “SIDE TWO” seemingly glowing?
And, regarding someone else’s post i thought was intriguing that i thought i would include: Greenmana= Roscoe calling Astrid by “Kelly” (kelly green), and mana being the term used for energy or magic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mana
As well as Greenmana being an anagram for enneagram http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Way_Enneagram
Things to ponder, while you wander.
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The “Mellotron” is a tape replay keyboard instrument. When you press a key on the keyboard, a strip of tape is played. Recorded on the tape is an instrument playing a note corresponding to the key you press. It’s basically an old school sample player. You will likely recognize the Mellotron 3-violins, flute, and 8-voice choir sounds. Some Mellotrons were used for sound effects.
These were very much an instrument of the 60′s (Moody Blues, Beatles “Strawberry Fields” flutes) and 70′s progressive rock (King Crimson, Genesis, Yes). Tangerine Dream created Berlin School electronic music with their Mellotrons featured prominently. Even Pink Floyd used one briefly. Many other bands have used them – see Planet Mellotron (I sent them information about “Seven Suns”).
I doubt if they used a real Mellotron on “Seven Suns” (Mellotron samples are abundant), although real Mellotrons can be found, and they are making new ones.
Mellotron.com
Streetly Electronics
List of Mellotron Albums
Mellotron get-togethers, pictures, tech info
Probably more than anyone wanted to know…:-)
…kl…
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNAB60WXZqQ
If I didn’t know any better, the Enneagram makes an appearance in this video about 10 seconds in.
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Have any more been found? I wish there were some sort of map or document or something to let us know how many are out there and maybe which have been found already. I’d hate to think I’m still searching high and low for nothing.
Also, I’ve been a lurker on here for some time and this is my first post. Hi!
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Oh by the way guys,
I wouldnt really look that deeply into how “accurate” the music is to the true times, The band’s music is simply a vehicle to transport the ideas and theories from an unknown place to the characters and viewers. I think Jeffrey just chose the musical stylings because it was probably a neat interpretive idea on the classic 60′s, 70′s, and 80′s music he loved when he was younger.
I do believe though, that with Lost, he specifically left out certain ideas from the overall story so that it could be completely identifiable from many cultural and religious standpoints. But considering the aptitude of this story (Fringe), i am HOPING he is going in a circumstantial direction. I have faith, but we will see
. I just hope he doesnt finish the series without explaining who the observers work for or who the ancients truly are (whether alien or truly ancient). If you’re reading this JJ, then head my words that a revolution is coming.
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Has anyone worked on the second video put up the other day on http://www.youtube.com/user/AnonymousNewsNtwrkTV?
I don’t have the right audio programs to separate the tracks. I think I hear something else in it though.
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@ Rabbit: The instruments you were wondering about are:
Mellotron: A kind of electronic keyboard
Hammer dulcimer: A stringed instrument struck with hammers to produce sound
Crotales: Small cymbals
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I spent the last 2 days calling local indie record stores. It was so hard getting people to understand the name of the band when all of them have music playing really loud in their stores. Lots of ‘violent?’ ‘NO! violet!!!’ Ha.
I found it in Chicago today at Dave’s Records on N. Clark Street. The owner took my phone call, found it pretty quickly and was nice enough to put it on hold for me. He didn’t know what it was. He charged $20 for it.
It was in the psych/kraut/avant garde section.
The package smells like an old record. I kid you not. The outer sleeve, inner sleeve and record were all distressed, torn and scratched up to hell like a proper used record from that era. The front cover has an etched ‘V’ over the face’s right cheek and over where her right eye would be if it wasn’t covered in hair, a mark left behind as if someone was writing something on top of it. There’s also some very faint etching of words on the upper right corner but neither myself or my husband could make it out. Inside are two, teeny tiny iridescent insect wings, maybe a quarter of an inch long and 3 millimeters wide. There was also a flyer for a performance from the band printed on beige textured paper and slightly stained and worn out: The Knee-Deep Dungeon Presents…
VIOLET SEDAN CHAIR
Playing live Saturday July 3
Straight from Los Angeles,
this psychedelic sextet will open your ears and your mind.
Only appearance in the midwest
5 miles east of Moscow
just North of O’Donnel Rd.
DRAFT BEER
FOOSBALL POOL PINBALL
I have lots of pictures but haven’t set up a gravatar account yet. I’ll get them up as soon as I can. SO happy I found one.
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>:O Holy cow!! That’s awesome! You are incredibly, incredibly lucky.
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Did you try putting a piece of paper over those etched words and rubbing with a pencil? An old trick, but cheap and worth a shot. Congratulations on your find!
Something that caught my ear while listening to the downloaded tracks was an extra sound at the very end of “she’s doing fine” which is noticeably different from the rest of the song. Maybe the end of that missing track…?
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Congratulations! So exciting!
I noticed in the band flyer it calls them a sextet, but I think only five band mambers are listed on the cover. Is that right?
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Melissr,
Congratulations on finding it.
Did the manager happen to say how it came in-in other words, did it come fromm a distributor? Or from a “street team?”
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Show flier:
Wing:
Crinkled up sleeve:
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OOPS! Can’t post photos.
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post them here so the community can look at them:
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how can I share my photos with everyone?
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contact Roco, maybe he can help.
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Hey, melissr.
Please do consider joining the Forum. We’ve been dissecting photos of the covers, as well as the tracks, and it seems like you’re the only one who found a flyer inside. Check out the Fringe Forum thread here.
You can post your photos there.
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Guys, I’ve been told the different vinyls are different mixes of the songs… I’m right now downloading the LA-find (I believe it’s Melissr’s, I got the download from here http://www.swanfungus.com/2011/01/violet-sedan-chair-seven-suns-13th-tone-records-1971.html). I’ve heard Kiki’s and what I got to say is just that I like it. Guys, it’s a promo item, it’s not like your all time faves from back in the day are doing something new, take it as it is, enjoy it, and most importantly, work on those leads.
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Question: I live in Canada, and while I assume the albums were distributed only in the US, have any fellow Canucks tried calling record stores around the country in hope of finding a copy? I will do my part..eventually. Just was hoping to hear someone else had luck with it, it would make me more motivated.
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I’ve visited a few stores here in Vancouver and not had any luck yet. I haven’t heard if there have been any records put in Canadian stores but I’m hoping. I’m also hoping insiders from the set haven’t been getting them for themselves already in this city since they probably have some sort of insider info on it.
I know… I’m a pessimist.
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Is this discussion still active? Im listening to the songs now, love this show!
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The missing song is the one actually missing,and actually the 11th, which would be greenmana, NOT what you said, you said the 10th song is the missing 11th, The 10th song is neither the 11th song nor is it missing
The liner notes on Violet Sedan Chair’s album Seven Suns list a missing 11th song, and the penultimate track is rumored to produce hallucinatory effects when played on multiple turntables.
Anyone tried playing the penultimate track, which would be “Re Fa Mi Si Sol La”, on ‘multiple turntables’?
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the 9th song “Seven Suns Setting” has talking in hte right channel around 2:00… need to filter out the other noise and get to it
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BUDDHA’S DISCOURSE ON THE END OF THE WORLD;
OR, THE SERMON ON THE SEVEN SUNS.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/journals/oc/gppt6.htm
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hey i thought roscoe played the piano/keyboards ??
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The music of Violet Sedan Chair actually is pretty good, that’s what counts. It qualifies just among the psychedelic rock genre’s best – Pink Floyd, Jefferson Airplane, Moby Grape, Vanilla Fudge, etc. So will someone finally uncover this entertaining mistery and tell what present day musicians shot this album in flower-power style? Greetings from Belgrade, Serbia, from a great Fringe fan. I’d like to draw attention of other Fringe fans to an Italian commic I grew up with in 1980′s – “Martin Mystere” (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/m/martmyst.htm), whose main character, being something between Dr Walter Bishop and Indiana Jones, also phisicaly reminds of John Noble’s appearance (or vice versa). The commic is still being published and is the top of the class, can’t help thinking it influened the Fringe authors. Which is pretty good influence.
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Neat link, Vladimir. What I love about Fringe is that it draws from so many other realms — comics, other fine arts, mythology, etc. — that it becomes richer to each of us, based on our other interests.
I’m curious to see if the Seven Suns album is linked to events in the new season. Best to you in Serbia!
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In Season 2 Episode 21, it isn’t clear which side of the album Walter plays, but he does start with the first track on that side. However, this song is nothing like either “Seven Suns” (track 1 on side 1) or “Keep Climbing” (track 1 on side 2) on YouTube. Details will bite you in the @$$.
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