FRINGE: Two New ‘Welcome To Westfield’ Sneak Peeks

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Two new clips from Friday’s Fringe offer a part intimate, part dangerous look at “Welcome To Westfield.”

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    • Sofia says

      OMG I’m so happy that they didn’t forget about her dreams!! It was awesome. I think it’s a memory and not just a dream…

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      • bdp says

        Definitely…while this exact moment may not have happened, at least not as far as what we’ve seen between the two of them, I definitely agree that this has got more an “emotional memory” vibe to it than just a random dream.

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        • says

          “this has got more an “emotional memory” vibe to it than just a random dream.”
          Yes, in the same way she has vague but noticable emotional memory vibes of someone she never met:
          “I know what it’s like to have a hole in my life. It’s been there as long as I can remember… somehow I knew that this is where I would find…. my answers.” – OLIVIA: NHNT 4.01

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          • MISSNETT says

            What do you bet that her dream starts out with her being with Lincoln and then switches to Peter. We only see Peter with this clip. The producers hinted we would see a love triangle between them. Maybe this is what they were hinting at. Not sure how I feel about that!

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            • Scully8 says

              I don’t feel good about that idea (O/L) at all, but I wouldn’t be surprised. However I don’t think that’s the case with this scene. I believe it starts and finishes with boy wonder. :)

              Man-o-man, I sure hope the Olivia and Lincoln won’t be an extended thing . . . :(

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              • DeepRunner says

                I think the writers have been dropping pretty obvious door-wide-open possibilities about Peter and Olivia getting together in this timeline. Although I don’t think Lincoln is out of the picture, I DO think, like others here, that this is the dream-type that Olivia was talking about just before Peter came back.

                So if this is the open to the show, like Peter’s dream was the open BTWYNB, it will be interesting to see if there is a dream at the end.

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      • Sofia says

        Inspired by this sneak peek, I did some Polivia valentine’s cards. Roco and everybody, feel free to use it lol: fringeotp.tumblr.com/tagged/polivia-valentine%27s-day

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  1. earthbrah says

    Yes, awkward. But isn’t it fascinating that she is having dreams about herself in the other timeline! Wonder how long she’s been having them… I bet it’s been for a while now.

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    • Ben says

      I think it’s because September didn’t erase him from the timeline. Now he’s acting as a bridge to the other timeline, for her and maybe Walter too.

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        • says

          Love the idea. The time-loops and time-slips in ATWLB 4.06 occured because of Peter’s presence “bringing something mechanical to life”, and possibly still affecting reality itself outside the BBM due to his reciprocal bond with it. Even though it no longer can respond to him; it may have already fundamentally changed him. Perhaps his answer lies not in The Machine but within himself (‘Buddha On The Road’, anybody?)
          After all, the idea of wishing something into existence, and Peter’s wish “to go home” has been a reccuring theme.
          I personally feel he is ‘home'; but his very presence and memory of ‘the other timeline’ may affect the reality of ‘this timeline’.

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  2. mandrean says

    I’m actually starting to think this IS their timeline and the observers have just attempted to erase Peter from it. I think this is our Olive and Walter!

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    • rosimili says

      You are right on mandrean. I was suspecting the same from day one of season 4. There is nowhere for Peter to go back to. He just has to adjust. Plus he has seen the fate of the other timeline. At least in this new one, the two universes are co-operating and there is only skin deep bad blood between them.

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      • says

        The old blue/red timeline is probably as destroyed as the grey/future timeline-reality we saw in TDWD:3.22.
        “They don’t remember Peter” – December TDWD:3.22 “The timeline has been rewritten.” + “Before things changed”. – September NHNT:4.01 seem to make this pretty clear, IMHO.

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      • Scully8 says

        rosimili,
        I’m having all kinds of ah-ha moments . . . I know I must sound like an idiot for just thinking of this, but you’re right, if he goes back (if there is such a place) it could reverse everything back to that old timeline’s future.

        In any event, I’ve always thought he was in his ‘former’ timeline. I also believe that this is ‘his’ Olivia and he’s going to regret handing her over to Lincoln so easily. :) For the record . .. the looks she’s been giving to Peter the last two episodes; she NEVER looked at Lincoln the same way, at least not yet.

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        • RunsDeep says

          I think last week’s episode provided some insight; neither Olivia nor Fauxlivia actually denied having an interest in Peter. And Olivia told Peter he would make a good partner. In interviews I have read, the producers have talked about the star-crossed relationship that Peter and Olivia have, but I think I have also seen comments where it is made plain that part of Fringe is the love story of Peter and Olivia, and that it is a winding road.

          I also believe, as I have mentioned before, that Lincoln and Fauxlivia have an opening for a relationship. And I think, given all the unhappiness that has been expressed about the Lincoln and Olivia “relationship,” that going back down that road would only make Fringe fans more restless.

          For the record, I think Lincoln is a good team member, and in the AltWorld he would be probably pretty cool to have as a neighbor (maybe), but, nope, not a guy who can take the lead.

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    • Darth Kate says

      except that the whole backstory in this timeline is all messed up. i dont know… im pretty much scarred for the rest of the day.

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    • mlj102 says

      I understand where you’re coming from with this and I think it’s a good theory. It’s certainly possible that this is what they’re building up to. But if that’s the case, they had better have a really good explanation for it, because right now, I don’t see how they could go that route and have it work. I’m not typically one to dwell on plot holes or plot contrivances, but I have been known to draw the line where it involves crucial, key points. And this would be one of those instances.

      If it were simply a matter of them not remembering Peter, that would be one thing. But that’s not the case. He never existed. And because of that, everything changed. And those changes are not just in their heads, nor are they minor things. Those changes are real and they are penetrating. David Robert Jones is still alive and well. They only just learned about the Observers. Alternate Broyles never died in his effort to help Olivia return home. In this timeline, Olivia was raised by Nina Sharp. And that has influenced the nature of their relationship. It has influenced Olivia and the person she has become. It’s a fundamental difference. And it’s not going to change if she somehow regains memories of Peter. Sure, it’s our Olivia and our Walter… but slightly different as they had slightly different life experiences without Peter. They’re different people for not knowing Peter. Events happened differently without Peter’s influence. How can it still be the original timeline if everything is different?

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      • wikiaddicted723 says

        I would atribute that to the fact that it’s rewritten. Think of it as having a word document, or a simple notebook. Imagine writing a story in that document/page. Then imagine that you didn’t like the ending, or you decided that you should shift the person of your narrative from first person to third. You erase everything you’ve written but still use that same document/page and rewrite the story on it. The second time you write the story, with the adjustments you decided to make, you still tell the same key events, but, as your memory is not perfect and the change in POV requires an adjustment of tone and character, some details vary. It’s not the exact same story, but it has the same conflict and the same purpose as that first draft that you erased. Think of that document as “the universe” and think of that erasing and rewriting on top of a previously used surface as what Peter did with the machine. It’s still the same basic material, you’re just shifting it around to accomodate your needs. (At least this is how I explain it to myself).

        I also believe that Cortexiphan might enable Olivia to perceive (and perception IS the key to everything in the show) more than one timeline, because she is “in synch” with this universe that has experienced said rewrite, and it perhaps retains an echo of those things that we know happened in a previous iteration.

        This timeline rewrite is also a very good way of exploring the concept of fate, and the idea that somethings will still happen, perhaps in a different order or in a slightly different way (like the car accident that Neil predicted in the previous episode), independent of external factors such as Peter’s erasure from existence.

        I don’t know if this was any help, or if it even made some sense to you (it does in my head, but you know, I’m not sure it translates into words that well).

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        • says

          I agree with all the pros and cons above. It’s all very ‘The Adjustment Bureau’. LOL. There must be a reason that: “They can never know the boy lived to be a man.” – December NHNT:4.01.
          Perhaps Peter’s presence will eventually cause everything to snap back into place if the old blue/redverses aren’t actually destroyed but capable of bleed thru as well via Peter (I just remembered Pinkner/Wyman saying something along the lines of “What happened, happened”.) Or maybe there will be a timeline-meld of some sort…destroying the Observer’s creation either way. I’m OK with either.

          But perhaps the purpose of this creation was to completely avert the grey/futureverse mutual destruction still being endgame. Or maybe the multiverse will implode if the amberverse goes. Now I’m bummed and confused. Again.

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        • Scully8 says

          Wiki723 — I LOVE this perspective. It’s the way I’ve believed all along, but not able to articulate in such a clear and concise (easy to understand) the way you have — Thank you!

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  3. Mari says

    So , that explains way she don’t wanna talk about her dreams!!!! But that really makes me think that we are in the right place, and that the Observers just did a collective memory loss of Peter… But again, in Fringe sometimes nothing it’s like it’s seems!!!!

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    • Pam says

      I agree but, only it can’t as simple as a collective memory loss – because David Jones is back. So, this is a new timeline alright…..but, as Peter hopes there is probably no place where Olivia and Walter are waiting and searching for Peter and he has to make this place home!

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  4. Hannah says

    First of all. Woow!!!
    Second, that was a whole lot of blue. We all know colors mean something in the world of fringe! Maybe she was dreaming of the other time, our first timeline, the blue one we all missss! But hell, that was hot!!!

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    • Lafra08 says

      You are right!WOOOOOW! At first I was shocked and couldn´t believe what I see!:)
      This was the cutest thing ever!!!!!!!!!! Peter and Olivia are so amazing and hot together!!!!
      So this was what Olivia was dreaming about:)It seems we stay in the Amberverse and because of Peters return they start to remember the original timeline!!!

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  5. Karo says

    *pokes head*

    There was a second sneak peek you know

    *runs away*

    lol

    A little intrigued as why they would show it as a preview ,but definitely makes me anticipate friday even more.

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    • JM says

      I think this particular sneak peek would make a lot more people tune in live… unfortunately, this went overboard last season where we had 4 sneak peeks per episode and a scenemaker, which completely ruined the episode before it aired.

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  6. Mancha says

    I just spit out my fruit juice again! I feel like I just died and went to heaven… :) Now that’s the P/O I miss!

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  7. earthbrah says

    I think the Observers did something other than just a complete memory loss of Peter. “The timeline has been rewritten.” Things are even different for the Observers! September lost that device that we learned of in the last episode…and on the night he didn’t save Peter!

    And yes, love how the scene is drenched in blue!

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  8. RB says

    It has to be a different timeline, even though the original timeline may no longer exist. This can’t “our” timeline because things are different and different decisions have been made. But this is our universe, so I don’t get why people are so surprised with what the observers said last episode.

    The only way I thought fringe could come back to the original blueverse was if they could rewrite the events at reiden lake. but now seeing olivia dream of blueverse I am beggining to think that some way peter’s presence in the amberverse will affect the entire timeline and things will somehow go back to the way they were and the characters will remember their “old selves”.

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  9. Ben says

    In a way I wish that I were seeing the episode on Friday without spoiling myself with that second clip. Still, that is one great mood swing.

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  10. Ian S. says

    The first clip is very interesting and I think sort of confirms that this timeline is in fact our timeline. The characters just need to regain their memories about each other, which I’m sure is possible since Peter was pulled out of existence. Looks to be a very interesting episode!

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  11. DeepRunner says

    The first sneak peak is what many folks…shippers particularly…have been waiting for, something regarding Peter and Olivia’s relationship. Like Hannah above, I saw all the blue as a not-so-subtle reference to the Blue Universe… The second one was chain reaction protection–Peter saves Walter, Olivia saves Peter…It really looks like things are getting back to where they were. Although this may not be home for Peter, they sure are blurring the lines.

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    • Red Balloon says

      “The second one was chain reaction protection–Peter saves Walter, Olivia saves Peter”…and who saves Olivia?
      -> SEPTEMBER aka The Interventionist ;)

      Well, not in this episode, but still…

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  12. DeepRunner says

    Just one other thought regarding sneak peak #1…It almost seems to be a reverse coda back to Peter’s dream of the perfect day, in And Those We’ve Left Behind…

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    • says

      The Perfect Day Dream did blur the lines; especially in the lines Olivia said:
      OLIVIA: “I thought I’d gotten rid of you.”
      This is the sort of defensively rude thing that would come from ‘this’ Olivia(an Olivia that was theoretically from yet another reality to Peter) despite the fact that she was grinning. He’s out of her head (not!) but now he’s always eye-saxing her. It’s almost from ‘this’ Olivia’s POV. However…

      OLIVIA: “Where’d you disappear to?”
      This would be exactly the question ‘his’ Olivia would be asking back in that other reality where he must have disappeared in front of their eyes.
      No wonder there are two camps of thought on whether she is ‘his’ Olivia, and this is his timeline-reality.
      I was hoping for a Peter/Olivia shared dream state, myself. With either Olivia would have been great; if there had been a Back There to return to, that is.

      OLIVIA: You know what this is?
      PETER: The perfect day.
      OLIVIA: Yes. The perfect day. (after they kiss) It’s too bad it has to end.
      PETER: And why would it have to end?
      OLIVIA: We can’t ignore the problem, Peter. Ignoring it won’t make it go away.
      PETER: I don’t understand. What’s the problem? What’s wrong, Olivia?
      OLIVIA: You, Peter. You’re the problem. (as he bolts from REM sleep. after security unlocks the door to his holding cell) I’m sorry if I woke you up.
      This speaks volumes as to Peter’s inner state at the time thinking – or knowing – he doesn’t belong. That he shouldn’t attach himself to anyone or anything here. But that doesn’t mean they haven’t attached themselves to him. ‘This’ Olivia in particular, despite her best efforts and against her better sense; cuz she believes he has another her to get back to…

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      • says

        And then there’s the whole mutual “I woke you up – from a dream” instances between them; just loaded with the recurring themes of dreams, awakening, perception, self-realization…

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    • DeepRunner says

      Good question. From my perspective, Peter’s coat has changed during the season. At the beginning, when he returned, it was sort of orangish, but his clothes were blue. His clothes pretty much have remained blue, but his coat has progressed to where it is now…subtle changes indicating that maybe he is a lot closer to home than he realizes.

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  13. Red Balloon says

    HOT and AWWW!…Olivia wants to hear him say it!…is she stock in the moment before Peter enters the BBM?…she did say I love you, but he didn’t…

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      • Red Balloon says

        I’m just thinking about the season(series) premiere photos…maybe they’re trapped in a time bubble, I mean, what’s with all the themes we’ve seen so far: time jumps, dreams of people you’ve never met, voices and images of a boy you never saw grow old, intermingled (souls?, memories?)….and those migraines…something is cooking inside Olivia’s mind, and September knows it!…and doesn’t wanna share with us..lol

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        • Ian S. says

          When ‘And Those We’ve Left Behind Aired’ I made a long post about how I thought this season might be in a time bubble. I totally agree with you there. I was also thinking the future in The Day We Died was another time bubble, and our three seasons were in another, and now we’re in another, and there could be endless iterations of time bubbles, all led by the Observers trying to get things a certain way. That’s more of a fetch, I suppose, but I completely agree on the time bubble theory, it would make perfect sense, and also means we can get back to how things were before, we just need to pop the bubble.

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          • Red Balloon says

            “pop the bubble”…hey!, I’m a sensitive balloon you know?….lol

            Yeap, I think they may be onto that track…looping different time bubbles and yet, they are inextricably connected. It’s sort of reincarnation?, but they’re having a hard time forgetting previous experiences, hence Walter’s brain removed parts missing the knowledge/memories to get to this conclusion.

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              • Red Balloon says

                The only thing I can think of that makes me uncertain of Walter being their creator, is the briefcase September received on “Fracture”…he was his next “target” to observe…but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was.

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                • DeepRunner says

                  I had forgotten about that scene from Fractured, but yeah, it makes sense. I think the Observers are independent of Nina or Walter, unless they are somehow connected with The First People.

                  Just a side note…one of the themes of the show has been the consequences/outcomes of choices. It will be interesting to see if one or all of the characters arrive at a decision-point that could change the timeline back to what it was previously.

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              • robert ariadne says

                Unless it isn’t Walter, but his grandson Henry. I think Henry still has a part to play in all this; maybe in another timeline (the one that September screwed up by distracting Walternate) he invents the Observers.

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            • Scully8 says

              RB — I never thought of Nina as being behind the Observers too . . . could be.

              I can’t wait to see how they resolve the timeline situation. I read an interview with Jasika, and she made an interesting comment about the timeline. Of course, I won’t go into it here, as it might be considered a spoiler, though I couldn’t figure out what she meant. :)

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  14. bishop1984 says

    I think this is our BLUE timeline, the reason i say this is because colors have a valuable meaning in our Fringe Universe, and if we all notice, the intro to season 4 has been ORANGE, remember ORANGE = AMBER, now if we all remember the AMBER was to suspend TIME…………………Therefore i think this is timeline is the BLUE timeline but suspended in time……………..

    LOL i hope i make sense………..

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    • earthbrah says

      That’s a really excellent observation, dude! It makes me think of the last three words on the intro titles for “The Day We Died.” The color there was grey. “Water, Biosuspension, Hope” were those three words. Biosuspension may speak to what you mention here about this amberversetimeline; Water can easily mean a sea (see) change, or flux; Hope from the first two!

      Have I mentioned that I love this show…? :D

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  15. anzetse maloba says

    Why Would I Feel Anything? Hee Hee Liv No Wonder You Were Keeping Your Distance. Dude Really Rocked Your World, In Those Dreams.

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    • Ann_Louise says

      This is almost enough to make me forget “you’re a stranger, what should I feel?” Your dream just answered your question.

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        • says

          I can make words now. Not before.
          The scene is saturated with blue (and not just for the subject matter) and may be a clue for us and for her about remembering the other timeline. But not yet. I feel this is less of a memory and more of a wish at this point – because she doesn’t conciously remember. Maybe that’s another reason (other than the super intimacy of the scene) why we don’t get to see much of Peter except his face. She doesn’t remember details of 3AM nearly nekkid wakeup calls; let alone post 6B shenanigans.

          This version of Olivia said “ILY” to Peter inside her mind probably more quickly then ‘our’ Olivia let herself. Yet I find it deliberately ironic that she still had to come to this realization that she loved and wanted Peter pretty much the same way ‘old Olivia’ did – by having him out of her life by his going Over There; then seeing him through the attracted eyes of her other self – AltLiv.

          Speaking of ‘old’ AltLiv, ‘this’ Olivia is in the same situation: all the feelings she has for Peter – but his feelings are not for HER. They are for ANOTHER her. Or so ‘this’ Olivia thinks. Ouch for either Olivia.

          I love how they have made Peter capable of caring for ALL Olivias, though. AltLiv is an Olivia after all – and the Olivia he would have been with had September-Walter-Destiny-God not interferred with the ‘natural order of things’. It is our Olivia who was supposed to be living the life she was living now – in a Peter-less reality. Oh, the irony.
          And ‘this’ poor AltLiv only gets to look, not touch. But he’s treating her civily because this one is not guilty of the other’s sins.

          I think they are muddying things as to whether it’s a memory or a fantasy (just like The Perfect Day Dream) by not having Anna emphasis the word “me”. But try the emphasis yourself… I think she wants to believe/hear that he can truly love HERSELF, not just this OTHER her. She doesn’t know she is herself-just-different. “Just love ME” – Kate Green: ATWLB 4.06

          And I love how it ties in with Peter’s “I’ll tell her I love her when I come out of the BBM …Oops” ‘plan’. That’s how it would have sounded/will sound when said out loud. Sigh.
          It’s a beautiful counterpoint to the last ‘S-rated’ scenes we’ve gotten: The Pilot’s Olivia/John beginning scene that is more distanced aerobic exercise; than what we are given here…
          And a counterpoint to DSDOES’s end scene as well (however similiar it may be in action) shrouded in deceit as it was – despite AltLiv’s genuine attraction/love for Peter and his for not-HER. Bravo!!!

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  16. T says

    My guess is that they are building toward a scene where Peter says to Olivia “I don’t belong here (speaking of the universe)” and Olivia says “you belong with me” just like at the end of S2. Just a guess.

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  17. Geoff says

    I know I’m in the minority here, but I would like to see baby Henry again. Just too much went into developing Altlivia to just drop that forever. I’m not saying a love triangle or anything like that. Maybe I’m just a sucker for babies.

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