Fringe Review: 3.03 The Plateau


Welcome to our review for episode 3 of Fringe season 3 – “The Plateau”.

In this review we give an honest opinion on the good and not so good aspects of the episode. We find out what answers were provided and what mysteries remain locked away. We take an in-depth look at the other aspects of the episode that made an impression on us, before rounding off the review with our final thoughts and episode rating.

THE GOOD

  • The Opening Scene has to be one of my favorites to date. It was intriguing, captivating and brilliantly orchestrated.
  • The Antagonist. It’s not often that I point to the villain-of-the-week as being something to shout about, but Milo (Michael Eklund) was very good indeed. He had an interesting look and mannerisms that made the character authentic. I also appreciated the depth that his story was given through the addition Madeline (Kacey Rohl). While I wouldn’t say that Milo was quite as emotionally resonating as, say, Alistair Peck, he was far more realized than the woefully one dimensional, ‘The Artist’, that the Dunhamnator dispatched many moons ago. I wouldn’t mind seeing Milo again if there’s room, just keep him away from the pens.
  • Structure. Any lingering doubts that the ‘mythalone’ hybrid was a sustainable storytelling structure were surely dismissed after this episode. A year or two ago this would have been a run of the mill standalone episode featuring molebabies (RIP) or some other nonsense. Today, I struggle see how the standalone could function in Fringe due to the expansion of the show’s wonderful mythology. As with this episode, we saw a fantastic fusion the two narrative styles, and it worked a treat. The key seems to be that by having the central characters (in this case Olivia) at the heart of the case, you get a much more involving and rewarding episode. By embracing the mythology towards the end of last season, Fringe is now a more layered experience.
  • The Direction and Editing. Some of the decisions that were made to capture the subtle nuances of the characters and alternate universe was excellent. The editing was also refreshing and informative. Together they employed some visual techniques not often seen on Fringe. While it might have been considered risky, I thought it helped articulate the rather complicated mind of Milo, while also adding some style to supplement the narrative.
  • The Musical Composition. Beautiful and haunting. It worked in harmony (no pun intended) with the acting and visuals. For an episode that delved deep into the minds of two complicated characters, the score burrowed its way into my mind in equal measure. At times, the action became part of the music, or maybe it was the other way around? More importantly, when is the soundtrack out?
  • Anna Torv and the characterization of Olivia/Altlivia: The slipping and sliding, melting and melding from Altlivia into Olivia, and back again was a joy to watch. As were the moments of faint recognition – the cracks in the fabric of her false identity. As I said last week, John Noble has some serious competition this season.

THE BAD

  • Walternate Token. After three episodes this season (two in the alterverse) I would have hoped for a bit more humanizing of Walternate by now. We got a flicker of it in this episode when he saw Peter’s clothes, and I appreciated that, but I’m eager to explore who this man is in a lot more depth. I hope we get the opportunity because it would be a shame if we’re coerced into ‘liking’ Walter just because Walternate is beginning to act like a token maniac.
  • Speaking of which, where’s Eliznate these days? It would be nice to drop in on her at some point, perhaps finally giving us a scene between Walternate and his wife so we can learn more about the dynamics of their relationship. Who really wears the pants in that household? I’m sure they have many plans in that regard, but I can’t help but miss the opportunity so far. Let’s not be like Peter and only drop in just the once before high-tailing it out of Dodge. Her bacon sandwiches aren’t that bad.
  • My Low: I thought that the motivation behind Milo’s killing spree lacked a bit of power. Sure, he didn’t want to come off the treatment, but with a mind as powerful as that couldn’t he devise a more effective way of keeping on the medication/not getting caught? Perhaps he didn’t care, maybe he thought he’d keep out-predicting people, but his plan just seemed to lack a bit of weight in my opinion. As for the research company. Really, guys? That’s all.
  • After such an emotional encounter with Momma Dunham in the previous Over There episode, I was kinda hoping that we’d get a bit more of that action. All in good time, I’m sure, but it felt a bit disconnected as a result. Not by much and nothing to really complain about, but I noticed it.
  • Overt exposition. A tad too much exposition. Walternate and Projection Peter being two of the main culprits. A necessary evil perhaps, but it doesn’t make it good.

MYSTERIES

  • If and when Walternate finds out how Olivia moves between worlds, what will his next move be? Will he open up a Cortexiphan factory? Will he enhance human soldiers with this ability? Will he clone Olivia? Will he activate the weapon? Will he try to abduct Peter? What is the next phase in his web of webs?

ANSWERS

  • Walternate wants Olivia to submit willingly. To help them to understand how she is able to move between worlds. They are attempting to spark her ability so that they can figure out how she does it.
  • Frank Stanton is a virologist. This presumably explains where he had to go in the season 2 finale.
  • They have pigeons in the alternate universe, but pens are extremely rare in this day and age (since Altlivia was in pre-school).
  • Avocados may also be rare in the alternate universe.
  • Altlivia didn’t have a close relationship with her sister R@chelnate before she died.
  • Milo was treated with drugs that made him a super ‘genius’, able to trigger series of events in such a way that he could manipulate their outcomes based on the probability of peoples actions.
  • Milo was unable to manipulate Olivia’s death because he didn’t factor in that she’s not from that universe – if she had been she would most likely have stopped for the oxygen dispenser and that predictable action would have led her into Milo’s death-trap. Instead, she kept running like Kate, and Milo didn’t predict that.
  • Olivia’s ‘visions’ of Walter and Peter were actually representations of her subconscious, indicating that the ‘real’ Olivia is still fighting to hold on to her identity, despite Walternate’s plan to flood her with her alternate’s memories.

FRINGE THOUGHTS

  • I thought it was great the way Milo‘s story supported and paralleled Olivia‘s. Both characters are lost in their own minds, struggling to maintain the connection to the ‘reality’. The way Milo saw the world also spoke to the show’s themes of the road not taken‘ and the increasing integration between machine and human – the slightly more advanced alternate universe perhaps serving as a cautionary tale. I also found it interesting to compare Milo’s use of probability, to predict the choices that people make, to the Observers way of perceiving different paths. Very interesting stuff.
  • I’m really enjoying Olivia, Charlnate and Lincoln. In fact I like this version of Charlie more than the original, who was a solid character, but not nearly as charismatic or interesting. Seeing these guys bounce off one another along with their moments of compassion gives me the connection to Over There that I was looking for. I like these people, and I like the fact that I can envisage both Charlnate and Lincoln taking care of Olivia if/when they find out that she’s not their Olivia.
  • Speaking of signs, stand UP ‘Over There’ and give yourselves a giant chocolate-chipped cookie! Your boy Charlnate obviously has his spidey sense intact. He not only realized that something was off with Olivia, but he actually questioned her about it. This is more than can be said for the jokers Over Here, who seem blissfully unaware that their glitching Olivia is not their Olivia. I’ve heard many people claim that the audience has an advantage because we’ve known about the switch. For me that’s missing the point somewhat – of course we know about the switch, but even if we didn’t I can guarantee that I would have questioned why ‘Olivia’ was acting so out of character in the first two episodes (heck, I did it in “Jacksonville” and other episodes last season, so you bet your bottom dollar I would have in the first two episodes of this season), and I’m sure many other people would have too. While it’s cool to look for excuses for Peter and company, it doesn’t stop it from being a glaring contrivance, in my opinion (especially when you consider that in the past Peter has been the one to notice when Olivia’s not acting herself). So well done to Charlnate for being suspicious of an Olivia who actually has a more plausible excuse (‘mental breakdown’) for acting strange than Altlivia does.

  • I love how protective Broylnate is of Altlivia. I’d really like to see more of his character and how he differs from Broyles, but it’s good to see these little glimpses of concern for his agents. I also find it interesting that he’s not totally on-board the good ship Walternate – he’s able to question the Silver Fox and his methods. There’s a conscientiousness in that. I also like the fact that he questioned the effectiveness of the treatment, implying that Olivia’s nature may override Altlivia’s memories:

Broylante: “You don’t know how this Olivia will respond in the field.”

Silver Fox: “We have no other choice”

  • There’s always another choice, Walternate! C’mon, I thought you of ALL people would know that by now. Please don’t get ignorant on me after I’ve offered you my patience and understanding.

“She needs to be completely immersed in agent Dunham’s life”

  • I get what he’s saying though, and the above quote illustrates something that is brought up later – that Walternate is still very much a scientist. You can take the Walter out of the Lab, but it seems that you can’t take the Lab out of the Walter. Ooh, I just stumbled upon another nature vs nurture question.

Silver Fox: “You don’t know what we have to gain”

Broylnate: “Which is what exactly?”

Silver Fox: “Sit down at your lovely desk. She can move between worlds. We have discovered some ways to cross over. But each comes with their own dangerous consequences, but she..she can cross without harm.”

  • Firstly, I continue to be intrigued by the fact that Broylnate hadn’t been told about Olivia’s talent prior to this. Why had Walternate kept him out of the loop for so long – did he think he’d disagree with his methods? Also, that twitch that John Noble delivered was fantastic. I don’t think I’ve seen a better eye-twitch in all of television since 2009.
  • The following was probably one of the most important exchanges of the episode:

Silver Fox: “Phillip, if we can learn what she knows..”

Broylnate: “We can begin to defend ourselves”

  • So Broylnate sincerely believes that this is a war of defence and not one of aggression. Intwisting! While we already had this impression, to actually hear Broylnate express his outlook is extremely useful, because it further helps us to understand that the other side aren’t necessarily the bad guys (or all working from the same sheet) – ‘they’ believe that they are at threat from Over Here’s brutality/recklessness. Of course, there’s also the question of whether Walternate is being entirely truthful about the extent of the threat, and more significantly, the policies that he is adopting to solve them. If his people falsely believe that they are fighting a ‘necessary’ war with little or no choice for alternative action, then there’s your season 3 or 4 finale.
  • The thing is, while I’m sure that Walternate isn’t being entirely truthful about every little detail (he did ‘lie’ in his ZFT book, after all), we do have other points of reference as to the dire consequences that await the worlds. Bell and Nina (and possibly Walter) have at various stages all implied that only one world can survive. But it’s worth considering whether Walternate is jumping the gun somewhat in his bid to solve the situation by aggressive means. Of course, it’s now about preservation – the other side suffer every day with anomalies and rifts – their world is falling apart at the seams. So how could Broylnate or anyone at Fringe Division argue with Walternate’s plan, however unethical?

  • They could. It wouldn’t be easy, but if it was discovered that Over Here have a better chance of survival, that too much damage had already bee inflicted upon the Over There universe, and that one world had to go for the other to survive, it’s possible that some people on that side would be willing to help preserve Over Here – the ultimate sacrifice in the war between worlds. But for this to happen, for the people Over There to to get anywhere near to that kind of thinking, they’d have to experience some sort of shift, be it spiritual or something momentous to cause them to believe that humanity on either side of the divide is all part of the same whole. So it wouldn’t be so much a sacrifice, but a way of doing the right thing on a universal scale.
  • But how would an entire world come to that conclusion? Surely everyone would have to agree to diplomatic resolution. Truth is, it wouldn’t happen. Too many people see war as a necessary evil to be able break that cycle? How could they collectively agree that another world was worth more than theirs? It’s incredibly complicated, and that’s why no matter what his policies, Walternate will have his supporters who will advocate fighting to the death (not that he’s a man of war, oh no).
  • Naturally, what I’d like to see happen is the powerful Walternate himself have a change of heart and do his best to find a more peaceful solution, because ultimately the fates of these two fragile worlds seemingly rest in the hands of so very few. This is why I was so disappointed in Walter’s crappy attitude in the last episode – the worlds need the best of him if they are to stand a chance. He doesn’t get to hide away in his hole. Not after what he helped bring about.
  • And while I don’t approve of what Bellie did, a gatekeeper could come in handy in all of this. Failing that, I guess we could all pin our hopes on the Observers having the interests of both worlds at heart.

“And what if her new identity doesn’t hold?”

  • Thank you for asking, Philnate!

“Then she’ll no longer be necessary”

  • Walternate, you and I may well be on a collision course – I trust that you don’t mean what I think you mean!
  • Good to see Lincoln Lee healing well. I’m looking forward to finding out more about him and his history. I liked how he brushed off his run in with ‘Olivia’ in the season 3 premiere and didn’t make her feel bad about it.

  • I found the idea of Milo using pens to start chain reactions interesting because it amplifies some of the episode’s other themes. A chain reaction can be looked at as a trigger to a series of events – which brings science to mind when I think of this, particularly Walternate’s comment later in the episode about still being a scientist. He’s effectively dropped Olivia (his pen) into this big science experiment to initiate a series of events to help him find out how she travels between worlds. In many ways, this reflects Peter’s abduction – the so called ‘zero event’, which triggered everything that went before. But is Olivia mightier than Walternate’s sword? We’ll see.
  • How does Walternate’s desire to find out how Olivia moves between worlds tally with his grand goal? I guess being able to move between worlds with the knowledge to control it would be very useful indeed. It would also enable him to abduct Peter back before the big red button is pushed. Maybe he’ll use it to pass through to a third universe as a fail-safe against both worlds being destroyed. Unlikely, but who knows.
  • As an aside, how will the shapeshifters feel when/if they’re no longer needed by Walternate? Newton must surely be conscious of the fact that he and his boys might have an expiry date (in usefulness, if not lifespan). Perhaps I’m being unfair to Walternate – maybe he sees them as being just as human as he is and will always have a place for them by his side?
  • Good old Frank. He cooks for Olivia, which is more than R@chel has ever done. Maybe the other side isn’t so bad after all, right Liv?

  • I don’t think Frank is with Altlivia for the money. He seems to really care for her. As suspected, Lincoln’s claim (season 2 finale) was seemingly out of jealousy. He obviously has feelings for Altlivia, having kissed her in past. It’s interesting to see that he doesn’t share Charlnate’s suspicion about Olivia. It plays into the idea that love alters perception. Lincoln is blinded, kinda like Peter on the other side, and wont allow himself to see things as they are. Charlnate on the other hand, is not impaired in this way (he has also experienced her deception in the season 2 finale, so that experience has heightened his outlook).

“For the record, you cannot tell those two apart”

  • While their nature is most likely derived from the same stock, there are many noticeable differences – especially on Altlivia’s end. But I know what he means.

“Astrid, we see impossible everyday”

“You see improbable

  • Great stuff.
  • Interesting how Altstrid was so certain that the chances of the accidents being intentionally caused by a pen was impossible, while the others who are not as ‘machine-ready’ were more open-minded. The suggestion seems to be that while machines offer humanity the next step on the ladder of knowledge, there are some limitations to these benefits. Machines are clinical, but they lack emotion and the ability to imagine. (except Bad Robot who gets very excited as he runs through that patch of grass).
  • I wonder if being proven wrong will cause Altstrid to reassess the system – it has to at least cause the ‘Lookers’ to modify the boundaries of the possible.
  • Alstrid is more animated than I expected her to be. She’s lost a bit of sheen, but I continue to be intrigued by the small undercurrent of emotion that she displays.

  • In my review for “The Box” I spoke a lot about the way the episode lends itself as metaphor for the continuous cycle of repeated actions. This episode brings these ideas to the fore with Milo’s ability to predict what people will do:

“Your only action will be inaction. That’s your pattern. Ninety-seven percent of your actions prioritize relational bonds over other variables. Eight out of nine times you avoid making decisions that could result in a negative outcome.”

  • Are people really that predictable. Yes, we can be. Which is interesting in itself because if we are so predictable are humans really free, or does freedom only come when we act outside of the system?

Madeline: “You didn’t expect that did you? Because you’ve forgotten what it’s like to feel emotions. You’ve forgotten us. Mom gave you this as a reminder. That you didn’t have to do more than you were able to. We loved you”

Milo: “That’s irrelevant now”

  • Yikes. Milo has moved beyond human emotion, he doesn’t see the world in the same way or have the same connections as he used to. As much as his treatment has made him this way, he’s also chosen this path to an extent – you can see that because seeing the reminder affected him. Of course, this plays with what Olivia’s going through and the idea that she will have to make a choice – one based on emotion, on what she can’t see.
  • I feel sorry for Milo. I hope that he remembers who he was and finds his way out of the sea of code that he is currently in. Much like Olivia, he will need to find that emotional core to escape.
  • What I appreciated about Milo’s ability is that it’s actually quite believable. We all predict things correctly, perhaps more often than we realize. We might not break the probability down into code but there’s a kind of auto-pilot that does that for us, to a extent.
  • In my episode review for “The Box”, I mentioned the possible significance of spirals and how they symbolize the pull. In this episode Astrid talks about the “infinite spiral”. Just a spooky little tidbit.

“His thoughts now can only be interpreted by a machine”

“So the machine is talking to him”

  • It’s probably no coincidence that earlier in the episode Altstrid’s machine-human interface was unable to predict Milo’s actions, yet by the end of the episode ‘only a machine’ can understand his thoughts.
  • The scene where Madeline touches Milo’s hand – and it appears that just for a brief moment he notices the emotional bond – before he continues doing his thing. Heart-breaking. Such a good little performance by both actors, wonderful music, and just fantastic shots to resonate the scene. These are just little things, but you can do so much without words, and this is a neat example. (Milo was muttering, but you get my point).
  • I’m not feeling Brandonate as much as I did in the premiere. He seems to have lost something. I enjoyed what he did in that first episode so I was a little disappointed to not see those nuances carry through. I liked his discussion with Walternate though:

Lover Boy: “Do you miss it?

Silver Fox: “Miss what?”

Lover Boy: “Being a scientist”

Silver Fox: “I am still a scientist, Brandon. I just have a much larger laboratory”

  • Chilling. Absolutely chilling. But fascinating. Absolutely fascinating! Firstly, I’m so glad that Brandonate’s little mind is curious enough to wonder whether Walternate misses science. Then to effectively have Walternate confirm that his role as Secretary of Defence is a means to a greater end, opens up a whole box of worms as far as I’m concerned. Walternate never hung up his lab coat, he just expanded his horizons and the worlds are his lab. If Walter felt insecure about visiting Bellie’s Massive Dynamic, he’s gonna wet himself with inferiority when he finds out that Walternate’s Lab is much, much bigger than his. ;)

  • But it’s the mindset that terrifies me more than anything. As you know I’ve issued patience when judging Walternate. I have great difficulty slinging him to the lions when Walter is basically getting away with his immorality on the other side because he wears a grandpa hat, farts, and had the foresight to cut out the parts of himself that he didn’t like (what a hero, not). But I can’t let Walternate slide on this one. I’m not happy that he’s being presented as the clown villain, and I don’t agree with that choice, but he is clearly warped. He hasn’t just crossed the line, he has become the line – his own ethical barometer.
  • While I can understand his desire to protect his world (and make no mistake, we’re talking about HUGE stakes here), it’s his words, his rhetoric, that is beginning to make me uncomfortable. And the fact that he seems to be enjoying it is extremely worrying me. I mean, is there a Walter in the multiverse that isn’t a crazy SOB? Seriously.
  • I’m still holding out hope for him, but he needs to at least stop enjoying playing ‘god’ before I’m willing to break out my “Walternate Rulez” T-shirt.

  • As for Olivia seeing Walter and Peter – I’m so glad they did this. It’s something I’ve been speaking about for a looong time – the idea that the subconscious mind can project itself onto reality. Arguably this is what Olivia experienced when she saw the Bishops. Her subconscious is trying to help her to remember who she is by manifesting in the form of Walter, and more significantly, Peter. The kiss was part of that recovery process – Olivia is essentially kissing herself which is both weird and totally awesome at the same time! What I particularly love about this is that there are so many levels to it. While I wont go into all of them here, it’s interesting to note that essentially ‘Olivia’ is  emotionally invested in two men. Both of them are essentially echoes to her right now, she’s totally confused as to which one feels the most real. This isn’t a chick flick (although I sense there are some romantics in the writers room), it’s a really interesting exploration into love, choice and identity.
  • It also emphasizes how much Peter and Walter have shaped Olivia. In the two or so years that they’ve known her (technically it’s been longer for Walter), they’ve left their imprint on her subconscious. She’s retained these fragments even though she’s been flooded with the memories and traits of someone else. It illustrates that the people who mean the most to us are always with us. It’s not just about memory though, in my opinion, it’s something deeper.
  • And it’s not lost on me that once again in an episode that is Peter-lite, I find the idea of them being together more resonating. I also thought that the kiss had power, it felt sincere, and I didn’t lose my lunch. So there you have it, as long as Olivia’s kissing ‘Projection Peter’ then I’m good. ;)
  • Another way to look at Olivia’s ‘vision’ is to wonder whether Walternate and Lover Boy had anything to do with it. We know that they want to ‘spark her’, and we know that the alternate universe ‘Bra & Panties Tank’ has been cracked open. Though to be honest, Olivia’s subconscious is strong enough to be pulling Olivia back to the surface on its own accord. The B&P Tank will probably come into play in later episodes.

Projection Peter: “You’re not from this world Olivia. You’re not her”

Olivia: “You’re not real”

Projection Peter: “Real is just a matter of perception. I am here, and I’m a part of you that you have to hold on to. You can’t forget who you are Olivia. You can’t forget where you’re from. You can’t forget this”

  • Olivia totally looks like she’s been caught doing something that she shouldn’t be. Poor Frank. Sorry to tell you that your real girl is on the other side getting wild with Peter, but thanks for looking after our Dunhamnator.

FINAL THOUGHT

I thought this was a wonderful episode that brought together themes of identity, memory, love, revenge, fate, choice and so much more. It was a melting pot of Fringey goodness, an intelligent leap into the deep end with a playfulness, verve, and creativity that has to be appreciated. The measure of this episode is that despite its strength, I feel that there’s a lot more to come.

As for the title, in some ways it’s fairly accurate in that Walternate wants Altlivia’s memories to become fixed inside Olivia, although as we know she’s still fighting away down there. As a bit of fun, I like to call this episode “The Plate-AU”, for obvious reasons.

Meanwhile, in a land where people don’t know their Olivias from their Altlivias..

Best Performer: Anna Torv

Best Line: “You can’t forget who you are” – The subconscious projection of ‘Peter’

Best Moment: Olivia seeing Walter and Peter – taps into so much of what I’m interested in.

Episode Rating 8.5/10

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Comments

  1. Anjali says

    I absolutely loved the writing in this episode.
    The opening sequence was very well shot! I also loved how they split up the screens, explaining Milo’s thought process. Very very well done!

    Probably my second favorite episode of the season!

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  2. says

    This was certainly a top-episode. It just fitted all so well, like a warm coat. Everything was fantastic: the story, the characters, the suspense, mystery and mythology. This was quality-stuff! S3 is starting out great.

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  3. reyeszjj says

    Instead, she kept running like Kate, and Milo didn’t predict that.

    I think Milo did predict that, when Olivia and Charlie left the medical center, Milo did a very comprehensive prediction, and in the 4×8 split screen, you can see in one cell that he did predict Olivia running escaping the bricks

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    • FinChase says

      But in all his projections, he projected Olivia stopping for oxygen. She didn’t do that. She kept on going. He didn’t see that coming.

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      • says

        Milo probably didn’t see the difference between Olivia and Altlivia. He seen her as Altlivia in his calculations and she would have stopped for the oxygen. Olivia didn’t. He was perfect in his plots, but in the end it was game over and probably will never know that it was another version of the same woman.

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  4. Cortexifan says

    Great review, Roco.
    I have to say, of all the sites that I go on and read, your reviews are the best.
    I wish I had your analytical skills. I always try to see beyond the episode and fall short. So thank you for your hard work.
    You brought something up that I’m wondering about as well and it is just a general question. Where can we find out if there is going to be a sound track for season 2 and beyond?

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  5. BklynBetty says

    Roco – thank God for your reviews and this website. I have been waiting for DAYS for this (ok, that’s actually not that dramatic – but they seemed like really Long Days)!

    Great Episode! I couldn’t help reading your reference to the ‘villain’ as a “Super-Genius” in a Wile E. Coyote voice. I don’t know if that was intentional or not given the reference to him in “the Box”, but it made me laugh in any case.

    re: Walter
    “I have great difficulty slinging him to the lions when Walter is basically getting away with his immorality on the other side because he wears a grandpa hat, farts, and had the foresight to cut out the parts of himself that he didn’t like (what a hero, not).”

    I know what you mean here, and I don’t entirely disagree – but, do you give no credit at all to the fact that this guy figured out that he was, or becoming a “bad” man and decided (or Chose) to sacrifice his minds cohesion and sanity to stop the process? And to keep his dangerous knowledge from reaching others? (sure, it didn’t quite work, but…)
    I mean, in an ideal world he would just catch himself, man-up and make changes in his life and live by a better moral code – but, if he felt he could not do that – he did what he felt he Could do. We deal in choices here. What if Walter made the only choice he felt he could? Even if it strikes us as ‘cowardly’ in its way, it is also brave. Giving up yourself, cannot be an easy thing. Making a Choice to change his ‘destiny’, believing that only such a dramatic choice could make a difference.

    Walternate’s rage may have been ignited by moral outrage and his son’s kidnapping – but, he does not strike me as a version that would willingly give up his mind, his power and his life in order to “check himself”.

    These are “tragically flawed” men – they are anti-heroes. There is something almost Greek in the apparent ‘inevitability’ of their characters’ nature, their presumption, their hubris, their arrogance, their intelligence, their scientific curiosity.

    “I mean, is there a Walter in the multiverse that isn’t a crazy SOB? Seriously.”

    Maybe not.

    Also:
    “…when he finds out that Walternate’s Lab is much, much bigger than his.”

    Walternate’s line about a much bigger lab – totally reminded me of season 1 – i think it was the pilot episode when Broyles describes the Pattern to Olivia: “It’s almost as if they are conducting experiments, only the whole World is their lab.”

    Maybe there will finally be a more tangible connection between ZFT and the AU?

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    • FinChase says

      “Walternate’s line about a much bigger lab – totally reminded me of season 1 – i think it was the pilot episode when Broyles describes the Pattern to Olivia: “It’s almost as if they are conducting experiments, only the whole World is their lab.” ”

      Great catch! I didn’t make that connection.

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      • LMH says

        I’ve been waiting patiently for such a strong connection (or the confirmation of one), especially after we finally heard the letters “ZFT” spring from someone’s mouth again (and from Walternate of all people), and since we saw the quarantine amber in the S2 finales after not seeing it since 1.03. I hope this is what we are being pointed towards with Walternate’s comments–that ZFT and Jones & co. all had connections directly/indirectly with the other side that allowed technology from over there to be implemented in the pattern we saw over here. We know that Bell took tech from there to employ over here and he has obvious connections to both ZFT and Jones. That’s the connection that the amber signified for me anyway.

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        • BklynBetty says

          “We know that Bell took tech from there to employ over here and he has obvious connections to both ZFT and Jones. That’s the connection that the amber signified for me anyway.”

          I wonder what is going to come out about Bell’s direct involvement with ZFT. Given the much discussed abbreviated story/character arc made necessary by Leonard Nimoy’s retirement – to re-vilify Bell in absentia would, i think, both lack dramatic effect and jar with his almost sublime “rehabilitation” giving his life to get Our people home at the end of OT part 2. Then again to have him be as well-intentioned as he claims to be….

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          • MNTwinsFanID says

            I think (and I must stress-this is only me putting pieces together) that the over here ZFT isn’t a sinister group at all. Consider-

            1) Agent Loeb telling Olivia he wasn’t harming her, but rather saving her with the spinal tap in season 1

            2) Jones’s insistence that Olivia become a “soldier” by completing the tests at the end of season one isn’t the actions of a terrorist group, they are the actions of a group looking to defend something/someone

            3) In a rare moment of lucidity from Walter in the season 2, we learn that the Cortexiphan trials were intended to create a group of defenders for over here

            4) Finally, from Bell himself we learn that he has been working on/sabotaging the doomsday machine over there.

            With these pieces, and the knowledge that Bell has ties to the over here ZFT group, is it not possible that the over here ZFT group was assembled by Bell himself, not to jeopardize the Fringe team, but rather to activate and assemble the Cortexiphan kids to serve their purpose-to defend over here. Bell has first hand knowledge of Walternate’s mindset, progress, and plans-putting him in a perfect position to be the person to pull the trigger on a counter-attack. But perhaps I’m reading between the lines too much.

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  6. Page 48 says

    “Fringe” 3.03 employed occasional “Alias” writers Alison Schapker and Monica Owusu-Breen, who not only gave us an excellent episode, but also gave us an “Alias” shout out to the legendary Milo Rambaldi, who like this Milo, had a genius mind and a fondness for ‘machine code’ and ‘cryptic algorithms’.

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    • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

      I hate it when html doesnt work!!!
      Roco said:
      Machines are clinical, but they lack emotion and the ability to imagine. (except Bad Robot who gets very excited as he runs through that patch of grass).

      The grassy parts tickle his undercarriage!!

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      • LMH says

        LOL. I love that little guy! He’s a cute little signifier that my mind has been sufficiently blown. He’s WALL-E’s alt ; ) Bad Woebot!

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  7. Catherine says

    There were so many layers- so many themes- in “The Plateau.” The more I read and the more I thought about it, the more “neat stuff” I saw in that episode. How rare for series television to be this rich.

    I,too, would like to see more of Walternate’s internal make-up. We know that his son was stolen from him and that his world is deteriorating, but he is so emotionally closed off. I’d like to see that shell that’s keeping him cold and distant shattered somehow. I also agree that it’d be nice to see some interaction between Walternate and Elizabeth. What kind of marital relationship emerged from the two heartbroken parents? Right now, Walternate is just one scary dude. :D

    We, as individuals, are typically, I think, easy to predict. Interesting thought that if Bolivia were back home in the AU, dealing with Milo (instead of Olivia) – she’d be dead.

    Furthermore, didn’t the writers send Frank quickly packing and outta there? Poor Frank: “our” Olivia is kissing Peter Bishop in her head, and his Olivia is kissing him for real.

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    • FinChase says

      “We, as individuals, are typically, I think, easy to predict. Interesting thought that if Bolivia were back home in the AU, dealing with Milo (instead of Olivia) – she’d be dead.”

      I just wonder if Milo would have identified Bolivia as a real threat to him? He zeroed in on Olivia, ignoring Charlnate completely, and basically set a trap for her. We just don’t know enough about Bolivia to know if she is really as good at her job as Olivia is. I don’t think she’d have made the same connections that our Olivia did.

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      • Jodie says

        I’ve wondered this exact thing. Why did Milo just target Olivia, and I came to the same conclusion that he just didn’t see Charlnate as a threat. But would Milo have seen Altivia as a threat? I think that Altivia lacking the cortixaphan-enhanced abilities just isn’t in the same league as our Olivia.

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      • Catherine says

        True, FinChase. It’s possible that part of what helped Olivia spot the rolling pen and the likely perpetrator at the accident was Olivia’s cortexephin-enhanced abilities. It was, most likely, her fix on him at the accident that revealed to Milo this woman was the bigger threat.

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    • RoSull says

      I think it’s time for Walternate to put his lab coat on. IMO, this could help “humanize” Walternate. We just need to see him as more “Walter-like”. The synergy of the Walters is their abilities in the lab. I know that I could soften up to Walternate if I saw him at work and not fiendishly plotting to do bad things to Over Here.

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  8. charliefan19 says

    Thanks, Roco! :)

    I love how fringe is always doing fun, new things in seemingly every episode. The split screens, the sequence of action happening “backwards”…it’s all awesome.

    I thought the same thing about all the men in Alt-Liv’s life. Charlie’s eyes are open, wide open, while Lee and Peter seem to be partially blinded and smitten by her. And…all I could say during the episode was “poor Frank.” They should just call his charcter “Poor Frank.” because he is. :/

    So…I doubt Charlie is chalking up Olivia’s experience with the “blinking auburn diamond” simply to the fact that she is a daredevil. if he knows…will he become “unnecessary” in Mr. Secretary’s eyes?? Because I really don’t think I can deal with another Charlie death. I’m hopin for an eventual ally/friendship role for Charlie and Lee to play with Ourlivia.

    Oh, while I’m at it…perhaps Lee with OurLivia? Non P/Oshipper that I am. :D

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    • LMH says

      I’ve been wondering if Frank is not unlike Altivia’s John Scott, and perhaps Lincoln is not unlike Altivia’s Peter? Just an interesting idea. Peter seemed to have some jealousy for John in the Pilot, and I thought there was an inherent Frank/John suggestion in 2.21 when Olivia discovered that her altself was not alone.
      I’m really intrigued by Lincoln and want to know his back story. If he and Charlie can somehow be a part of our Olivia’s life for some time to come (while still making room for our original Fringe team) I’d be happy. Maybe Lee, AltCharlie, or both will find out the truth and function as her external Peter surrogate(s).

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  9. eztefaniah says

    I just wanna point out that you’ve named Anna Torv the Best Performer on the last 4 episodes.

    Love it.

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    • Isis says

      Me too ! anna torv is just perfect every second in every scene shes in… Im constantly amazed by her performance… since the pilot. she delivers every little detail of both Olivias so naturally. Shes brilliant.

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      • Cortexifan says

        I totally agree.
        There should be an award for great perfomance without speaking a word.
        Her facial expressions speak volumes and she is very believeable.

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  10. number six says

    Great episode, indeed! I also wish they humanized Walternate a bit more via Elizabeth if possible, but maybe he’s cold with her, too (and Orla Brady might not be available). However, I like, what I saw of Walternate. I’m not excusing him and I wouldn’t want to, but he’s a very broken man and I understand his reasoning up to a certain point, which is good enough for me. My only complaint, is that there was too little of Walternate. I hope we can see more of him in the next episode over there.

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    • William Bishop says

      “My only complaint, is that there was too little of Walternate.”
      You’re only half right, because we did have some of Walternate. Only two times but those times let us see more of Walternate.
      1- Walternate’s eye-twitch, if you can remember it happened right when he talked about “Over Here” it obviously shows how much he hates this side, but I think it also shows how much work he’s having to control his hate and don’t run in a street yelling “I hate that other universe! I hate that damm universe!!!”
      2- I don’t know if you thought that too, but to me Walternate looked VERY upset when Brandonate asked if he missed being an scientist. Meaning that deep, very deep inside he does miss it.
      So, it wasn’t very much of Walternate, but it was enough to show that he has feelings.

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  11. Cambrielle says

    I saw we take Charlie-nate and Lee back to our side, send Fauxlivia back to Frank. But yes if Peter ends up with Fauxlivia as JJ wants him too, I could see Ourlivia with Lee. I want someone to be with Astrid. That girl needs romance in her life.

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  12. Cindy says

    Yes. Poor Frank. I thought I had to bribe someone to mention Frank in his/her review. Thanks Roco.
    He is so devoted and caring and the first person Olivia confided in.
    He pretty much trust no one else but Broyles to care for his Liv. “Tell him, Liv. Please.”
    Did you notice? He’s cooking in the kitchen in his bare feet.
    They have an interesting relationship. He’s on-call for weeks at a time because. How convenient. No wonder Olivia/Alt-Liv is so fiercely independent.
    Because Philip Wincester is also shooting Camelot in Ireland, I’m not sure how much we will see of Frank again. Rats!

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  13. fringefan2009 says

    Hi Roco,

    Wonderful review thank you. You mentioned many things that I never crossed my mind. You know what that means, it makes an already almost perfect episode, even better :) I don’t know what happened to the writers and producers, but they are back this season in full force. I totally agree with the fact that I’m really interested in finding out more about the characters on the other side. I really love the chemistry they have with Olivia, their playfulness, and frankly, the fact that they really do care about each other. It is totally believable that Charlie would suspect her considering she did clobber him over the head with a lamp and left him unconscious. You are right, John Noble does have some serious competition this year, and thing is, she’s not annoying about it. We actually like her character. I also have to give kudos to the directing. I loved the way they told the story, from the split screen previews and the music and the sets, I can go on and on.

    Lover Boy: “Do you miss it?

    Silver Fox: “Miss what?”

    Lover Boy: “Being a scientist”

    Silver Fox: “I am still a scientist, Brandon. I just have a much larger laboratory”

    As far as this quote goes…I think that it really shows how dangerous it could be when a mad scientist has power, with no limits. Crazy. It will be interesting to see Walters journey into a similar type power with Massive Dynamics. Is it possible that ultimately, the difference is, although Walter makes mistakes, he is still capable of seeing that they are wrong choices, whereas Walternate, has no remorse over what he has done, and what he is doing? So, maybe this truly is a good vs. evil type scenario. Granted, I really like seeing Walternate as a contrast to Walter, it is entertaining and interesting.

    “And it’s not lost on me that once again in an episode that is Peter-lite, I find the idea of them being together more resonating. I also thought that the kiss had power, it felt sincere, and I didn’t lose my lunch. So there you have it, as long as Olivia’s kissing ‘Projection Peter’ then I’m good. ;)”

    Oh yeah, I totally agree with you on this one. This is the first believable kiss yet from them. And yes, I did not lose my lunch either. To tell you the truth, I think that Altivia has more chemistry with Peter, than our Olivia. Their personalities just seem to go together better.

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  14. MNTwinsFanID says

    First of all, love your site. The observations of each episode have shown me a whole new level to Fringe-and I already thought it is the best show on television. Totally agree on the AU bringing the goods every odd episode. I want so badly to see the AU as “bad guys,” but I just can’t. They are real characters doing the same stuff as our “over here” team is, and this makes them both likable and human. Walternate’s view of “over here” as “monsters in our own skin” is biased by his experiences with Walter, specifically Peter’s kidnapping. If he ever finds out the truth-that Peter would have died had Walter not kidnap him-one wonders if this world-view will change. Also, I wonder if Lee and Charlinate will take the “us vs. them” position once they figure out that they are working with Olivia, and not their Bolivia. I can easily see those two helping Olivia escape if/when they learn of Walternate’s plan to kill her if remembers who she is. I would even go so far as to say they may even defect to “over here,” given the depth to which Walternate is deceiving them-now that would be a fantastic Fringe twist.

    Rocco, missed The Observer this episode (I always do, sadly), so I can’t wait for the observations blog. Loved the X-Files reference in this episode. Smallpox in North Texas-the X-Files movie started with an outbreak of the Hanta Virus in North Texas. Hate the fact that after next week we go Fringe-less until after the World Series (it would have been easier to swallow if my Twins had made it). Thanks again for the fantastic site!

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    • LMH says

      I thought I was by myself with the X-Files thought! Instead of posting it, I just made fun of myself for being a big enough X-Files nerd to remember that. I congratulate you on your memory TwinsFan and sorry your team didn’t make it. I love baseball but when it comes at the expense of Fringe, I have issues.

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    • mlj102 says

      “Loved the X-Files reference in this episode. Smallpox in North Texas-the X-Files movie started with an outbreak of the Hanta Virus in North Texas. ”

      Interesting… I thought the North Texas thing was nothing more than a neat piece of continuity/consistency since, Over There, Texas is split into North Texas and South Texas… I suppose it could easily be both.

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      • Cindy says

        That was not the only X-Files reference.

        The chain reaction that Milo starts at each crime scene reminded me of the X-Files episode The Goldberg Variations. The guy in that one got lucky at the expense of other people’s misfortune through a series of chain reactions.

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        • LMH says

          Ah yes, the luckiest man in the world who interpreted everything that happened to him as bad luck (perception is reality of course). I don’t know if either N. Texas or the domino effect are really direct references, but I just enjoy any connections made between two of my all-time favorite shows.

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    • MNTwinsFanID says

      I should correct myself-the X-Files movie didn’t start with a Hanta Virus outbreak; a Hanta Virus outbreak was the cover story for the actions of Well-Dressed Man, Cigarette Smoking Man, and the rest of the group (they had a name, but for the life of me I can’t remember what they are called)

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      • LMH says

        I think the name you are looking for is “the Syndicate.” Had to think about that for a second. That was my nickname for the weird gathering of Broyles, Nina and that whole table of random people in 1.02. Is there a syndicate-like group in Fringe? Perhaps we will get some conspiracies within the government who want to help the other side over this one. Moles helping the “invasion/colonization” if you will; we’ve had moles before (and no, not THAT mole). There’s hints toward conspiracy in the promo for 3.04, but could just be paranoia. But then again that’s what they all told Mulder…

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  15. mlj102 says

    “More importantly, when is the soundtrack out?”

    Seriously! Sadly, it will probably be a long wait before the Season 3 soundtrack. I am anxiously awaiting news for the release of Season 2 soundtrack… There was some incredible music used last season!

    “Sure, he didn’t want to come off the treatment, but with a mind as powerful as that couldn’t he devise a more effective way of keeping on the medication/not getting caught?”

    While his full motivation for the murders was, as you say, that he didn’t want to go off the medication and return to how he had been before, I think he figured that, while he’s at it, he might as well have fun with it. He relished the idea of his new abilities and he was having fun experimenting with just what he can do with it. You look at him in that opening scene, the way he smirked as he placed the pen, the way he seemed so pleased with himself as he walked away and she got hit by the bus, and it all seems to show that he was enjoying himself. I think he’d gotten a bit cocky, as shown by the way he continued playing when Olivia confronted him on the bridge. He could have run away as soon as he realized she saw him and was pursuing him, but he stayed on the bridge so he could make a dramatic escape. Again, he was having fun with it. When Madeline confronted him, he was having fun showing off and predicting what she would say. He wasn’t concerned with getting caught or keeping things low key because it wasn’t enough for him to simply kill his targets. He wanted to have fun with it. And, in my opinion, that’s exactly why it was so satisfying for me as a viewer to see Olivia avoid his trap and the resulting dismay and shock he expressed with his simple statement “That wasn’t supposed to happen.”

    “Seeing these guys bounce off one another along with their moments of compassion gives me the connection to Over There that I was looking for.”

    Exactly. In those moments with the alternate Fringe team, I can see myself starting to care about them and to become attached to them. And, by default, that partially extends to include alternate Olivia, since we’re seeing the dynamic that exists between her and the others, even though it’s actually Olivia who’s experiencing it — I imagine it would be pretty much the same if it were her instead of our Olivia (However, what we’ve seen of her on our side still leaves much to be desired, in my opinion). And, like you, I’m still not feeling anything for Walternate, even though I want to. So while I still can’t say I feel the same for over there as I do for over here, I am very fond of certain aspects of over there, and I still prefer the over there episodes to the over here episodes. We’ll see if this next episode over here does a better job than The Box…

    “especially when you consider that in the past Peter has been the one to notice when Olivia’s not acting herself”

    I think that’s what bugs me the most. They have established on numerous occasions that Peter knows Olivia very well. He may not know much about her likes and dislikes, such as her music preferences, but he knows her personality and her mannerisms — all the tiny details that alternate Olivia can’t hope to imitate. So there should be all sorts of red flags going off in his head when he is around alternate Olivia. And given what he knows, distracted or not, seeing those glaring differences should make him suspicious. At least a little bit. And to be fair, yes, he seems to have picked up on a few differences. But if he’s buying alternate Olivia’s act and her excuses 100% then I’ll be extremely disappointed as that’s just not right given what’s been established of him and how well he knows Olivia. Consequently, I am crossing my fingers that they will ultimately reveal that Peter did know/was suspicious all along, but he kept it to himself and decided to play along for strategic reasons. That’s the only way they can save this storyline, in my opinion.

    “So well done to Charlnate for being suspicious of an Olivia who actually has a more plausible excuse (‘mental breakdown’) for acting strange than Altlivia does.”

    Well said. If they could show just a little of that same suspicion and uncertainty on our side, I would feel a whole lot happier. I love how they have decided to have alternate Charlie question who Olivia is and I love how they addressed that in this episode. Perfect. So why can’t we see a little bit of that over here, where they have far more reason to be suspicious?

    “Silver Fox: “Sit down at your lovely desk. She can move between worlds. We have discovered some ways to cross over….””

    You can be incredibly sneaky in the way you slightly tweak the quotes from what was actually said… Very amusing!

    Speaking of funny, you had some really clever captions to the pictures in this review: I loved the molebaby exchange. The office one was also classic. Keep it up!

    “Best Moment: Olivia seeing Walter and Peter – taps into so much of what I’m interested in.”

    Perhaps you could clarify, because it sounds like a contradiction when you say you consider that whole concept to be the “Best Moment”, but earlier in the Bad section of the review, you say:

    “Overt exposition. A tad too much exposition. Walternate and Projection Peter being two of the main culprits. A necessary evil perhaps, but it doesn’t make it good.”

    Is it simply because you felt that Peter at the end was talking too much? So you like the concept of Olivia seeing Peter/Walter, but you didn’t care for all that Peter said in that last scene? I can see how one could view his little speech there as almost spoon-feeding the information to the viewers, but I thought it completely fit that way, and it didn’t bother me at all. In fact, I thought it was brilliant and everything he said was appropriate and added to the power of that scene and the episode as a whole. Though it was Peter speaking, I could completely picture it as Olivia doubting herself, as if our Olivia was fighting with alternate Olivia’s memories and insisting that the life she believed was real, is actually just an elaborate illusion and deception. So having that manifested by Peter talking it out with her and actually “voicing” her thoughts and her concerns worked very well for me. Additionally, I’m glad that they went ahead and spelled it out very clearly for the viewers as to why Olivia was able to foil Milo’s carefully thought out plans. I can imagine all the debates we could have had trying to figure out exactly how/why that happened, if it was our Olivia or alternate Olivia, etc. I’m glad they made it so that there could be no real question to how that was meant to be interpreted.

    Regarding people mentioning how they want to see more Walternate:

    I think it’s a tricky balance. On the one hand, I completely agree that I want to see more of him and for them to explore his character more. On the other hand, I think it’s tricky because Olivia is so much the focus of what’s going on — especially over there as she’s the one from our side who’s trapped over there. She’s sort of the one we’re following and the one we’re invested in. And while I might get bashed for saying so, I feel that part of why Olivia and The Plateau have been such outstanding episodes is because Olivia was the focus. The story is centered around her right now, and I love that they’re giving that story the focus and attention and time that it deserves. I think that clear focus has been very important in those episodes. And splitting that up by taking away some of that time and devoting it to Walternate could disrupt the flow and intensity of the episode.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying the other characters don’t matter, nor am I saying that we shouldn’t spend more time focusing on Walternate. I think they have to show more of him if they want us to understand him. But I think that right now in the story, at the very beginning of the season, they need to focus on Olivia over there. I think that’s what the story requires at this point. As Roco said in his review, “The key seems to be that by having the central characters (in this case Olivia) at the heart of the case, you get a much more involving and rewarding episode.” But certainly I hope that there will be future episodes more concentrated on Walternate. I think they could definitely pull off a very rewarding episode by having Walter/Walternate at the center of the episode… But at least right now I think the focus needs to largely remain on Olivia and the situation she’s currently in.

    Other Thoughts:

    I loved the whole idea of a chain of events, where one seemingly insignificant thing leads to another, which ultimately escalates into something much bigger, resulting in the accidents that we saw happen. Seriously, who would think that a simple pen could be what triggers an accident like the ones shown in this episode? Yet that’s pretty much exactly what happened. I love how that ties into the theme of choices and the consequences for your actions. We’ve seen that a lot in Fringe.

    For example, Walter taking Peter originally stemmed from something very innocent. It started out simple enough: Walter wanted to find a cure for his son, but he was unsuccessful, and his Peter died. In his grief, he took to looking through his window to the other side, watching alternate Peter and Walternate. Innocent enough, right? Then Walternate found a cure… but he missed it. So Walter decided he had to cross over and cure alternate Peter. Again, it’s easy to see how that’s a reasonable choice, although the whole thing about how it could destroy two worlds does complicate matters some. But anyone can understand how a parent would love their child enough that they would do anything to save them. So Walter crosses over, but the cure breaks, so he can’t just cure Peter and leave, he needs to bring Peter back with him. Again, it seems reasonable, but you can also see where it’s starting to get out of control. So Walter takes alternate Peter to our side, cures him, but in the end, he can’t bring himself to return alternate Peter. So he keeps him. He kidnaps him. And he lies to him. And we all know what happened because of that. So all that has happened: the damage to the other side, Walter kidnapping Peter, the other side viewing us as the enemy… all of that happened because of something as simple and innocent as Walter looking through his window to the other side. One simple thing lead to another kind of bigger thing, but still something that appears justifiable. But when you look at the end result and all that happened because of it, is it really acceptable? I think the whole thing is really a fascinating concept!

    I think this episode should have resolved any remaining doubt that existed after Olivia, that Olivia truly believes she’s alternate Olivia, and that she’s not simply going along with it as many have speculated. Yes, we saw hints of our Olivia throughout this episode, but that was more our Olivia momentarily coming to the surface rather than hints that our Olivia is still the dominant one.

    I loved this episode. I thought it was incredible from start to finish. There is so much to take away from an episode like this and I can’t wait to see what happens next! Thanks for the review, Roco!

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  16. Angela says

    Sadly, the beginning scene lost most of its punch, since I saw a similar scenario in the movie Ink which kinda put this one to shame. It had the same concept, and even ended in an accident as well. But other than that, I LOVED this episode.

    Here’s the clip, for those curious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9iYchHgygc&feature=related

    I’ll admit to being a bit surprised though that Ella didn’t make an appearance during Olivia’s subconscious fight (and how creepy would *that* have been: seeing a cute little girl running past, or hearing her laughter?) I hope they’re waiting to use her in a pivotal scene down the road (like when Olivia finally gets her memory back and decides to keep up the ruse in order to get information). That would be a really powerful reminder of where she’s from, and might be just the thing to finally snap her out of it.

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    • FinChase says

      Yes, Ella would have been a wonderful and poignant emotional reminder for Olivia. In my mind, I think she would have worked better than Peter, but I’m definitely not a shipper.

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      • Angela says

        haha, I’m actually a huge Olivia/Peter shipper, so the fact that it stood out to me at all is saying a lot. Hopefully she’ll be Olivia’s hidden ace, and will be used effectively sometime in the future… if not, it’s a complete waste of their relationship, and the bond they formed in past episodes.

        Or better yet, it would be awesome if Ella is the first one Over Here who realizes that Altlivia isn’t her aunt. I can just see her asking innocently who she is, and where her Aunt Olivia went, lol. Extra points if she says it in front of Walter and Peter!! ^_^

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      • mlj102 says

        While I certainly adore little Ella, I don’t think she would have had nearly the same impact as Peter had. I agree that they could have had her as one of the people Olivia saw, and that would have been special, but I don’t think she could have fulfilled the same purpose that Peter did. I can’t picture Ella being able to deliver the same message that Peter did. Shipper or not, Olivia and Peter have a special connection, so he was, in my opinion, the best person to remind her of who she really is.

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  17. says

    Was I the only one who noticed the similarities between Milo and Altstrid? Or between Olivia tripping balls about Peter and Walter the same way she did for John Scott (ha, remember him)?

    Also, I appreciate Olivia’s importance and significance this season, but I’d like it if they showed more Peter/Water interaction. And for butt’s sake, some Big Eddie stuff. Just resolve it.

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  18. Matt says

    I thought this episode was really great. Last week, I wasn’t jumping for joy (though I still enjoyed it) but this week, I’m overly excited. I feel like I’m really enjoying “Over There” more than “Over Here” though, I still have this coming episode, so we’ll see if my perception stays as such.

    I liked that we’re digging into love blinding people a bit. I really wanted to justify our side not seeing the “out-of-character” actions that Altlivia was bringing (though I still stand by the idea that Astrid is curious, and so is Petah to an extent…) So seeing Frank and Lincoln also blinded is really intriguing to me. I’m going to stick with the idea that Astrid is going to be the one “over here” that first realizes that Altlivia isn’t who she’s trying to be.

    Also, I feel like we’re not seeing Walternate’s human side simply because we’re seeing him at work. I will be more interested in seeing him outside of work (like with Liz-nate) where he doesn’t have to put on this suit of power and respect, and to maintain that high-esteem that he has within the eyes of those around him. He’s all business when he’s at work (at least in my mind, so I can give him some more grace), but I bet he’s much different when he’s home. I hope we get to see that side of him, where he can hopefully be real with his wife.

    I also agree that, I really like the characters in the AU. Charlnate, Lincoln, Broylnate…they’re great. I’m engaging with their stories and their characters on a level that I am with our regulars (and I really missed charlie…) What a great start to this season so far.

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  19. Ann_Louise says

    “This is why I was so disappointed in Walter’s crappy attitude in the last episode – the worlds need the best of him if they are to stand a chance. He doesn’t get to hide away in his hole. Not after what he helped bring about.”

    After the events of last seasons finale and the new episodes, I see Walter’s actions/behavior as understandable given his history; just like I don’t see Walter brain surgery as cowardly – at least he tried to stop himself somehow, while Walternate can be judged harshly for helping to change his world into a police state in pursuit of vengence.

    The further Walternate slips into God Mode, the more interesting he becomes to me. I suspect the actions of BOTH Walters have had a negative effect Over There. What if leaving Over There has harmful effects not only on the traveler, but their world? If Walternate had contributed to the breakdown of the world he was trying to save through the methods he used – that would make him a tragic figure in my eyes. And if he had to chance to save both worlds by laying down his sword – then I’d join his fan club!

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    • Ann_Louise says

      Correction – I meant to say that while Walter can be judged harshly for his actions regarding Peter, we could also do the same to Walternate for his actions.
      When I see Walternate, agree with the poster upthread who said that Walter cutting out pieces of his brain may not have been the brave choice, but it may have been the only way Walter could think of to stop himself.

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  20. Elaine says

    While it’s cool to look for excuses for Peter and company, it doesn’t stop it from being a glaring contrivance, in my opinion (especially when you consider that in the past Peter has been the one to notice when Olivia’s not acting herself). So well done to Charlnate for being suspicious of an Olivia who actually has a more plausible excuse (‘mental breakdown’) for acting strange than Altlivia does.

    It’s funny, I felt you would bring this up, and I went back and re-watched giving the scenes where Charlie questions whether Olivia is their Olivia specially attention, and I thought it was interesting to note that he mentions Olivia’s insistence during the time she was in “treatment” for her mental meltdown in not being from their universe. I realize this is going to be a source of contention until our side figures out that Altlivia isn’t their Olivia, but I’m still very much of the opinion that Charlie has more reason to question if Olivia is whom she says she is, and even more reason to trust that she is when he asks probing, only things Altlivia would know and she comes up with the right answers with details, and a little friendly jab (something I’m sure he’s come to know and expect from Altlivia) type questions. Yes, he encountered our Olivia just as Peter encountered Altlivia, and was none the wiser until she clocked him with a lamp. Since then he’s been given reason to question not only her mindset but her identity, too. Even Lincoln brushed off Charlie’s concerns, and supposedly both of these men know this woman very well. As Charlie said himself, “You can’t tell those two apart.”

    I’m sorry Roco, but I’m just not seeing where the other Altlivia has behaved so differently than Olivia where our gang would notice such a huge difference in the few scenes we’ve actually seen her interact with them. The couch straddling aside, not seeing it as this great contrivance you’re assigning it to be.

    Overt exposition. A tad too much exposition. Walternate and Projection Peter being two of the main culprits. A necessary evil perhaps, but it doesn’t make it good.

    I don’t catch you’re meaning here. I thought the final scene between Olivia and her projection of Peter served two purposes very well. It bookended the hallucinations or projections she had earlier in the episode. Her mind trying to connect to her reality. It also helped her to rationalize her actions logically and emotionally. The kiss being her tether. I thought it was a nice way to show the continuancy of how Olivia’s emotions, enhanced by Cortexiphan affect her reality.

    Nevermind, I kept reading, and while it’s a bit confusing, I guess you didn’t mind the final scene between Peter and projected Peter after all….? *shrugs*

    But it’s the mindset that terrifies me more than anything. As you know I’ve issued patience when judging Walternate. I have great difficulty slinging him to the lions when Walter is basically getting away with his immorality on the other side because he wears a grandpa hat, farts, and had the foresight to cut out the parts of himself that he didn’t like (what a hero, not). But I can’t let Walternate slide on this one. I’m not happy that he’s being presented as the clown villain, and I don’t agree with that choice, but he is clearly warped. He hasn’t just crossed the line, he has become the line – his own ethical barometer.

    While I can understand his desire to protect his world (and make no mistake, we’re talking about HUGE stakes here), it’s his words, his rhetoric, that is beginning to make me uncomfortable. And the fact that he seems to be enjoying it is extremely worrying me. I mean, is there a Walter in the multiverse that isn’t a crazy SOB? Seriously.

    I’m still holding out hope for him, but he needs to at least stop enjoying playing ‘god’ before I’m willing to break out my “Walternate Rulez” T-shirt.

    This would be one boring show is Walter/Walternate and their genius wasn’t always in some morally and ethically ambivalent place. When you say that Walternate’s demeanor is making you uncomfortable, do you purpose that a less destructive, calmer solution would play out as nearly as entertaining, intriguing or dramatic? I don’t know about you, but I would find that extremely disappointing having been told from the first season that a war was coming, and for there not to be questionable actions and choices made on both sides by those who realize what is at stake along the way.

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  21. BklynBetty says

    Ok – you guys all invariably help me to see things that I’ve missed, or to see things in a new/different light – so I am going to ask for some help here.

    The truth is that I don’t see anything particularly interesting, captivating or intriguing about Lincoln Lee (Other than the fact that I am still waiting to know how he knows/knew Nic/AlterNic). His father is a judge, he’s met the Secretary before, he’s a respected agent, he’s the leader, he has it all figured out, he laughs in the face of (amber colored) danger and still finds time to vent jealousy by jabbing Altliv about Frank just spending all of her money when she dies – Err? Well-played, Romeo?? And of course, Charlie can be fooled, but Linc will never confuse the two Olivia’s. I find him rather pompous and self-satisfied. However, to be fair, i suppose he is clever, brave and loyal as well. But, that said – so far, this guy just isn’t doing anything for me. AltCharlie may turn out to be an ally for Ourlivia – but I really have my doubts about this guy.

    So – what am i missing here????

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    • mlj102 says

      You brought up things about Lincoln’s character that had never occurred to me before, and truthfully, I’m surprised that you see him that way. I find him to be rather likable. In only a few short episodes that we’ve seen him, he comes across as dedicated to his job, loyal to his coworkers, fun to be around, and he’s a character I’m interested to learn about more.

      I suppose a lot of it is that I really like the dynamic between all three of the alternate Fringe team, and Lincoln is part of that. I really liked in Olivia when he was adamant about helping to search for Olivia. And I don’t think that was just because he’d had a crush on her… I think he would have done that if it had been alternate Charlie or someone else similar. He was genuinely concerned for her. I liked how he immediately forgave her for pulling a gun on him. I liked in this last episode seeing his dedication and commitment to the case, shown in the way he was discussing the case up until the last second when he went back into the chamber.

      Just the various aspects of his character that they’ve highlighted serve to make him very likable and intriguing in my opinion. I honestly don’t really see much of the arrogance and jealousy that you refer to. I suppose I can see it to a small degree, but not in the dominant way that you’re implying. I think he has been a great new character to introduce.

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      • Elaine says

        So do I. However, I agree with Brooklyn, I’m anxious to discover exactly how he recognized Nathan Lane, and what that connections to.

        Overall, I like Lincoln and altCharlie very much. They seem to geniunely like and care for one another, and tend to truly enjoy themselves despite the graver circumstances they face. I don’t see him as arrogant, pompous or self-satisfied. In fact, I noted a trace of real fear not only for his own condition (regressing of his burns), but the case they were dealing with underneath the joking and charming smile.

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      • BklynBetty says

        “Likable” i can see, even if i don’t care for him overmuch. He’s kind of a charmer, I can see that he is/can be fun, and as I said, I recognize that he is brave, and definitely loyal. And, I will grant the dedication to his job. I’m not sure that his loyalty will extend to Ourlivia once he knows the truth. But, I could be wrong.
        But, I just can’t find him interesting – at least his character, and at least not yet – probably he has interesting implications for the plot.

        The slightly superior tone he takes with altCharlie about Olivia – was, i think, a little silly and a little condescending. AltCharlie might just agree as his reply seemed intended to deflate him and take him down a notch – “because you kissed her once.”

        I guess I just see him differently. However, I thank you all for your responses and I will try to keep an open mind. But, I am definitely keeping an eye on this guy.

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    • Cindy says

      A new thing I did noticed Lincoln Lee is when he is in the field.
      He seems to be the intuiter of the Fringe team, much like Olivia would be if she was back home.
      He fills a void, because his Olivia was not the leader. That is the only connect I could see. The bit about his obvious infatuation with Liv is just an interesting backstory.
      I saw a bit of awkwardness between our Liv and Lincoln in the field. She doesn’t seem to have the same camaderie as she does with Charlie.
      I can’t see him being able to help our Olivia in the end as Broyles and Charlie might. Broyles who knows who our Olivia is and Charlie who is suspecting her identity.
      If something were to happen to Frank OVER THERE by the time the two Olivias switch back, then just maybe there would be a room for Lincoln. I won’t count on it.

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        • LizW65 says

          Yeah, I picked up on that as well. I got the sense that Alt-Liv isn’t used to calling the shots, and that that scene was a bit of Our-Liv breaking through and asserting her role as team leader.

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      • FinChase says

        Yes, I’ve noticed that too. He fills the Olivia role in the alt-universe. But you could also see where our Olivia is beginning to take over that role naturally, such as when she spotted Milo out of a crowd of staring people on that bridge. My feeling about AltLivia is that while she’s intelligent enough, she is not a strategist as our Olivia is; she’s more the good soldier who follows orders. It will be interesting to see if the fact that one of his “soldiers” is thinking on her own and following her own instincts will begin to raise red flags for Lincoln about her identity.

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        • Ann_Louise says

          Wow – I can’t get the image of Nathan Lane on Fringe out of my mind now! What a great baddie of the week he’d make!

          “Overall, I like Lincoln and altCharlie very much. They seem to geniunely like and care for one another, and tend to truly enjoy themselves despite the graver circumstances they face.”

          I think that’s what I like about Lincoln and AltCharlie – they’re such a great Mutt & Jeff team, I’d hate to see them split up into different universes. So I guess Olivia has to bring them both back!

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  22. BklynBetty says

    Ok Guys – One more about Lincoln Lee. His name implies ambiguity.

    Lincoln – President of the United States during the Civil War – fought for the continued Unity of the Nation.

    Lee – commanding general of the Confederate army. In fact:

    “In early 1861, President Abraham Lincoln invited Lee to take command of the entire Union Army. Lee declined because his home state of Virginia was, despite his wishes, seceding from the Union. When Virginia declared its secession from the Union in April 1861, Lee chose to follow his home state.”

    Just Saying. :P

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    • LMH says

      Wow, I never thought about that. And it’s one of those that’s right there in front of your face the whole time. Robert E. Lee was no one-dimensional character and neither was Lincoln, so very interesting. What will dear Lincoln Lee do when he learns the truth of it all? Thanks, I love this train of thought you have sent me down BklynBetty!

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      • BklynBetty says

        “And it’s one of those that’s right there in front of your face the whole time.”

        I know! I had echoes of the Civil War buzzing in my head ever since his character appeared – and it Still took me until now to put it together!
        I always enjoy your comments LMH – and let me know where that train takes you!

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  23. Alex says

    Ok, one question: if pens aren’t made any more on the other side, how was Frank able to mark dates on his calender? Anyone?

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      • Catherine says

        Yes, but a sharpie/dry erase is soooooo, penlike, isn’t it? :D When Lincoln asked the kid about seeing a pen, and the kid looked at him like my students do when I mention a record player, Lincoln could have said, “It’s like a sharpie, only a little different.” (Kinda like the red/blue universes, right?)

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  24. Catherine says

    Oh, that’s a good one, Alex. Have the writers just been caught in an inconsistency? Not just a Fauxlivia, but a faux pas?

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  25. jophan says

    Fantastic review as usual. A few little comments:

    “So well done to Charlnate for being suspicious of an Olivia who actually has a more plausible excuse (‘mental breakdown’) for acting strange than Altlivia does.”
    Not to defend the Over Here folk that much, but it seems to me that a woman who says, I don’t belong here, is waving a much redder flag than one who says, I’m trying to lighten up. Deciding you’re really someone you’ve met for a few minutes and fought is a pretty strange form of mental breakdown.

    “So Broylnate sincerely believes that this is a war of defence and not one of aggression. Intwisting!”
    When Altlivia comes back knowing that the other side is not actively attacking, will she be the next one in the brainwashing lab?

    “They could. It wouldn’t be easy, but if it was discovered that Over Here have a better chance of survival, that too much damage had already bee inflicted upon the Over There universe, and that one world had to go for the other to survive, it’s possible that some people on that side would be willing to help preserve Over Here – the ultimate sacrifice in the war between worlds.”
    I wonder if the Doomsday Machine is supposed to transfer the population from the less-stable world to the more-stable one and then destroy the vacated one. This might have been feasible in the deep past, when the world population was small, but how would our world stand up to a doubling of population? (Always neglecting that “universe” is bigger than “world”.)

    “As far as this quote goes…I think that it really shows how dangerous it could be when a mad scientist has power, with no limits.”
    Remember Dr. Penrose, who said of Walter, “No one in power should know what he knows.” Oops!

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  26. says

    “My Low: I thought that the motivation behind Milo’s killing spree lacked a bit of power. Sure, he didn’t want to come off the treatment, but with a mind as powerful as that couldn’t he devise a more effective way of keeping on the medication/not getting caught? Perhaps he didn’t care, maybe he thought he’d keep out-predicting people, but his plan just seemed to lack a bit of weight in my opinion. As for the research company. Really, guys? That’s all.”

    I have a different take on Milo than you do, Roco. To really measure someone’s intelligence, you need to measure their Emotional IQ as well as their Intellecutal IQ. They may have significantly boosted Milo’s ability to problem solve and theorize, but that does not always translate into a boost in empathy, or common sense or morality. Not only did he start out with a very low IQ but the writers definintely gave him an autistic vibe…his inability to look people in the eye, being emotionally distant, etc. This all tells me that the drugs only boosted one portion of his brain, his ability to think like a machine. And machines, as we know, do not have the ability to feel emotion. So I don’t think he had the capability to reason out that killing people was morally wrong and certainly didn’t have the empathy to feel what his victims were feeling. So yes, in a normal IQ individual without autistic tendencies whose mind was boosted like Milo’s, the killings would seem to be a fairly “out there” way to go. But in this case, it seemed plausible that someone like Milo would think that is a justifiable way to go.

    I also just wanted to say that many people are justifying Walternate’s extreme actions by saying that his son was kidnapped so he has a just reason to want to exact revenge. But there are many people who lose their children by death or by abduction who don’t go about ANHIALATING AN ENTIRE UNIVERSE!! The man is psycho! He is the perfect storm of absurdly high IQ, super high power position, and a grudge. I don’t care how much they try to humanize him, his measures are just way to extreme for me to empathize with this guy. Now yes, this makes for excellent entertainment so I’m not complaining one bit. But I just will not make the connection that his ends justify his means.

    With that said, I can’t wait to see them try to change my mind. :)

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    • mlj102 says

      “But there are many people who lose their children by death or by abduction who don’t go about ANHIALATING AN ENTIRE UNIVERSE!!”

      True, but the same could be said for Walter. As you said, many people have lost a child by death or abduction, and they are devastated and they grieve, and in a lot of cases they are even extremely angry at those responsible. But they typically don’t respond by going out and kidnapping someone else’s child. And they don’t choose to go and cause irreperable damage to another universe in the process. But that’s what Walter did.

      I would say that the large majority of people who watched “Peter” came away from that episode with a larger understanding and sympathy for Walter. He never intended to do harm. He just wanted to save his son. There’s nothing wrong with that, right? Some even seem to consider his actions to be admirable. Sure. Except for the tiny details like the fact that he kidnapped another person’s child and he caused unspeakable damage to another world. That’s all.

      One could argue that it’s not the same thing because Walter never meant to hurt the other side. It’s not like Walternate, who is waging a war against our side and is actively working on a way to destroy our side. And to a certain extent, I agree with that. And yet… Walter knew from the start what the possible consequences of his actions would be. Yet he did it anyway. In my opinion, that blatant disregard for the risks and the possible consequences of his actions ranks right up there with Walternate’s attitude.

      And Walternate has reason to be angry. In Walter’s case, his son died… that was something that really wasn’t anyone’s fault. It just happened. But he still couldn’t accept it. But Walternate’s experience is different. He was a direct victim of Walter’s actions. Someone came and took his son from him, and his world was never the same afterwards. I think it’s understandable that he would retaliate to such an overt attack and he would develop very strong, bitter feelings towards those responsible. Who wouldn’t?

      The point is that both Walter and Walternate have done/are doing some unthinkable things with some far-reaching consequences. I don’t condone what Walternate is doing. But I also can’t condone what Walter did. But when all is said and done, if we are willing to be sympathetic towards Walter and to not hold all of that against him, then shouldn’t we be equally as understanding and sympathetic towards Walternate?

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      • says

        I see your point, mlj, but the main difference between these two as you said is that Walter wasn’t certain that his crossing over would cause the severe problems for the red universe. You are absolutely right that kidnapping someone else’s son is abhorrent and yes, he should definitely be held accountable for that, no matter how heartbroken he was. So he made a tremendous mistake but would he have chosen differently if he had known that his crossing over would start a chain reaction that leads to the degradation of an entire world? I don’t know the answer to that (and neither does Walter for that matter). But to me, therein lies the difference. Walter didn’t knowingly destroy the other universe but Walternate is actively trying to destroy the blue universe (or so it seems right now…I guess we can’t be fully certain that the “doomsday” machine is a weapon and not something that can heal their world as Walternate said). And being many years beyond the kidnapping, Walter has definitely paid his penance (if you consider losing your mind and seeing the results of your inappropriate actions enough penance). I totally get your point, though and I do hope they humanize Walternate for us. It might just take a lot of convincing for me.

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        • mlj102 says

          He wasn’t certain, but he knew that there was a strong chance that his actions would have very deadly consequences. He knew, but he didn’t care. That arrogant disregard for those who might be influenced by his actions really bothers me. He may not have been certain, but he wasn’t ignorant, either. While he may not have been trying to hurt people, he also showed that he didn’t care who he hurt in the process, as long as he got what he wanted. Similarly, I don’t think Walternate WANTS to hurt people, but he sees it as a necessary part of responding to the evils that were done to him and his world.

          “So he made a tremendous mistake but would he have chosen differently if he had known that his crossing over would start a chain reaction that leads to the degradation of an entire world? I don’t know the answer to that (and neither does Walter for that matter)”

          Actually, Walter pretty much answered that question in The Box when he told Peter that he wasn’t sure that he wouldn’t make the same choice if put in that situation again. That’s why that speech is so disturbing. Sure, he’s being honest, but he’s also pretty much saying that he thinks he would be willing to do it all over again, to kidnap Peter and cause considerable damage to both sides all because he can’t stand to see alternate Peter die. I understand the sentiment, but that doesn’t make it right. So in a way, Walter is saying that even though he knows full well what would happen as a result of his actions, and that what he did was “terribly wrong”, he would likely still be willing to do it again. And isn’t that essentially what Walternate is doing? In both cases, they’re willing to go to extreme lengths because of their love for their sons. So again, why shouldn’t we be willing to extend Walternate the same sympathy and benefit of the doubt that we do for Walter?

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    • FinChase says

      You makes some great points, particularly about Milo. I caught that autistic vibe, also. I wonder if they deliberately singled out individuals with extremely low IQs for their study? It reminds me a bit of Elizabeth Moon’s “The Speed of Dark”, where scientists want an autistic man to participate in a treatment that would make him “normal.” It was a fascinating exploration of what he might gain by this treatment and equally what he he might lose. Milo evidently lost the last shreds of his humanity.

      Regarding Walternate, I do agree with you: What we’ve been told so about his motives certainly do no justify his actions. I will say that I think he believes what he is saying. I don’t think he believes that his actions are in anyway motivated by revenge or malice. He really believes over here is as dangerous and aggressive as he says. This doesn’t excuse him, of course. I do wonder if our side is as innocent as we are all assuming. Just because most people are oblivious to the alt-universe doesn’t mean entities like Massive Dynamic aren’t waging their own sort of war.

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      • says

        FinChase, I think that’s where I have a problem (I seem to have more than one problem with Walternate??!). If he’s been spying on the blue universe for decades, wouldn’t he come to the conclusion that for the most part most people are completely ignorant and innocent of malicious intent towards the red universe?! This is, I think, where his psycho-ness lies (is that a word?). Maybe he started down this path with revenge in mind and it slowly turned into a madness of his own making to the point where he has warped his entire picture of humanity.

        With that being said, and with my comment to mlj, I really do hope that they keep him villainous. He’s delicious that way! I sort of don’t want him humanized…it’s more fun to watch him be totally crazy and power hungry.

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        • FinChase says

          Well, I admit I’m enjoying hating him. However, it doesn’t really live up to the interviews during the summer where they talked about showing both sides without prejudice. They’ve done a pretty good job of that with every character except our two primary opponents: Walternate and AltLivia. I think these characters need more shades of gray mixed in to achieve this. They can remain adversaries; good stories need strong antagonists, but they shouldn’t be melodrama villains.

          That’s my take on the situation, anyway.

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  27. says

    Great and very thorough review.

    If the Over There universe is sacrificed to save ours, Walternate may have to make another kind of sacrifice. Something could happen where he has to take the place of “our” Walter. In that case he’d go from being a powerful civil servant with a living wife and lovely home to being a gibbering widower who works in a basement lab. What’s more, if he remembered his entire universe dying, he could be even more mentally broken than his predecessor.

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  28. Pamela says

    I LOVED this episode & that final scene with that Peter & Olivia kiss made me swoon. Excellent episode. Michael Eklund was amazing.

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  29. Jeff says

    Roco,
    Why did the horse calm Milo? Any thoughts?

    Horses- Horses were linked to the night, the moon, mystery, and magic. Nightmares, a name which is derived from that of the female horse, were thought by the Celts to be brought by a visiting horse Goddess such as Epona or Mare. In most Celtic myths the horses are black or white.

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  30. says

    Roco — you can’t understand this episode if you don’t understand “White Tulip”.

    The part where Walter told Alstair Peck that after coming to a place where he had done so much with science — rescuing Peter (yes, I did say “rescuing”, b/c that’s what Walter did — unknowingly)– he realized that God must be real, and prayed for His forgiveness. Not only did he pray, he asked for a sign — a “white tulip”. Alistair said, “It’s not the season for tulips to grow, much less white ones.” Walter’s answer — “But He’s God.” He got his white tulip!

    That Olivia saw him smiling at her tells us something about how she sees him.

    Since Olivia is the “Moral Compass” of the show, and she sees him that way– we should see him that way also.

    Walternate IS what Walter WAS BECOMING so he had Bellie take out 3 parts of his brain…the note he left Walter of “cross the line” obviously means Bellie knows something about being “over there”.

    The two best parts was Olivia avoiding the falling concrete because she didn’t recognize the “oxygen needed” symbol (did you notice when Charlienate gave her his oxygen canister he told her “press the button”?).

    The best part was Peter kissing Olivia! “Real is a matter of perception.” That was the best kiss ever between Peter/Olivia! And Peter/Altlivia doesn’t even come close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  31. 7063keisha says

    wow, this episode was fantastic, i think that was awesome when olivia kept hallucinating peter and walter, because they helped her understand why she didnt follow the prodocall to get oxygen. i was happy that olivia broke the prodocall because if she followed then she wouldve died which wouldve been sad, i just cant believe that the alternate universe dont use ballpoint pens or pencils.

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  32. matt says

    with regard to fauxlivia’s performance, the other fringe team said she is good at disguises and she set herself up perfectly in the box when she told peter that she felt like a new person and that seeing another her made her rethink her choices remember? I think that line, our noticing altlivia’s differences, and our noticing the team’s lack of noticing are all intentional

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  33. matt says

    also peter did notice her acting differently and also questioned her about it (a parallel to charlnate) + I’m not convinced a mental breakdown is a better reason to act weird than traveling to another universe and fighting yourself…

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  34. matt says

    ALSO I think walternate is just putting on a show for broyles the same way walter was putting on a show for the government over here not telling them what he’s truly capable of

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