FRINGE Producers Tackle Season 3 Finale Questions


In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Fringe showrunners Jeff Pinkner and J.H. Wyman tackled more Season 3 finale questions and offered a few clues as to what Season 4 might hold.

Head past the jump for the quotables. (mild Season 4 spoilers).

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: The finale was filled with glimpses of the Fringe future – or possible Fringe future — from a mysterious, maybe tragic event in Detroit to whatever happened Broyles’ eye. How invested should we be in that version of 2026? Should we be keeping these bits in mind moving forward, or were they just fun ways to flesh out the episode’s possible future?

J.H. WYMAN: It’s both. We loved the idea of going into the future and back again, because it allowed us to inform the present of the show with some thematic elements. So if we feel that we need an element of that future to enhance the drama in the present, we’re going to tell that story. Going forward, that glimpse of the future will be part of the tapestry of Fringe, but don’t expect to [go] there a lot. But what we know now — and this is the important part — is that our world is going to break down. That’s what’s waiting for us. I think the fans should be like: “That’s not a future we should be interested in getting to.”

JEFF PINKNER: To further that, one of the things we love to play with is the notion of choice versus fate/synchronicity. Clearly, what Peter did at the end of that episode is that he fundamentally changed the future. Our team is [now] on a separate path. It is unlikely that we’ll get to that specific outcome in 2026. But are events like what happened in Detroit inevitable in any version of the future? TBD.

WYMAN: And we do want people to invest in those questions. We know what happened in Detroit. We know how Broyles lost his eye.

At the end of the finale, we were left to believe that Peter’s consciousness came back to the 2011 present and that he made a different choice than the one that led to the 2026 future. It also appeared that his new choice affected all of history — past, present, and future. He may have even eradicated himself from existence. Can you shed any light on how we should be thinking about the ramifications of all this? Should we be debating tricky concepts like Grandfather Paradox and how they may be relevant to the story?

PINKNER: Absolutely. The most telling part — the most meaningful part — as it relates to Peter is when Walter in the future looked at him and said: “Bringing your consciousness forward in time will have consequences.” And there was a very meaningful, pregnant look between Walter and Peter. Much of the season was about Walter getting comfortable with the notion that he may really have to sacrifice Peter to undo all the damage he has done to the universe. He wasn’t ultimately faced with that choice until 2026. That’s what that choice was supposed to represent.

EW: Is William Bell (Leonard Nimoy) gone for good?

PINKNER: TBD for sure.

WYMAN: For sure.

In the episode Lysergic Acid Diethylamide, our heroes saw a mysterious, menacing man aboard a blimp. Later, Olivia declared that this man would one day kill her. Are we ever going to return to Blimp Guy and that idea?

PINKNER: It’s definitely still in play. Without being too spoilery, there are things you think you have time to explore in any given season, but don’t. But yes, we are very interested in that moment and the implications of that.

WYMAN: A lot of people are wondering: “How did she know he will kill her?” We have an answer for that.

EW: What was the significance of Future Olivia’s fiery water burial?

PINKNER: The idea there was that based on deteriorating conditions of the world at that time, bodies are buried at sea or burned.

The opening credit sequence included a new black and silver color scheme and several new words, like “HOPE” “WATER” and “BIOSUSPENSION.” How were those words pertinent to the season finale?

WYMAN: They weren’t so much pertinent to the finale but for the introduction of the future of the show. In the past, we used words in the credit sequence as signposts for the episode. But this is a new paradigm.

You can find the entire interview at EW.

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  1. says

    Is William Bell (Leonard Nimoy) gone for good? TBD !!!
    Sounds like there is a slight chance Mr. Nimoy will be back to me. Great news.

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    • Dylan says

      Just rewatched season 2.

      I’m furious with them for completely undoing his death scene in ‘Over There Part 2′. That scene has now lost all meaning.

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    • dawnf says

      He has giving up or rather retired from acting completely. he has come out and said so himself (Nimoy)

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  2. Dylan says

    “At the end of the finale, we were left to believe that Peter’s consciousness came back to the 2011 present and that he made a different choice than the one that led to the 2026 future. It also appeared that his new choice affected all of history — past, present, and future.”

    *sarcastic* I’m glad their answer to this explained why everything before the moment was changed and Peter was erased from existence.

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    • Real1 says

      Actually that’s make me more comfortable about S4 why ? .. William Bell said to Nina that if the doorway was ever opened between universes only one universe will survive and William Bell wrote ZFT book which is different that the first people book , which mean the first people book and that future did vanish with the new choice that red Peter did , which will lead that red Peter destiny was to open the doorway between universes as how the Observers are knowing and as how William Bell is knowing . which mean red Peter served his purpose and he is at the red side now suffering from his illness in the real time this time .

      Because if we will theorized a little , Red Peter should live in the red side a be cured by his father not Walter , and by the mistake of September he changed one future may pass as may not pass , so red Peter grow at the blue side and fall in love with Olivia and taking care of Walter which did lead him to think by saving the blue side and ruin the red side at the wrong time ( because walternat did activate the BBM in a wrong time ) So the right thing is to open the door between 2 sides .. that’s what the Observers are waiting and that’s what Sam was referring too

      Now the game will change and we maybe will see the ZFT book again , will discover what William Bell did left in Olivia’s mind , I am for now really very exciting for s4 .. to see how Olivia will react to the other side and how relationship with Walter is and how she will bring Peter back :)

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      • Filp says

        Keep dreaming … NOthing this is gonna happen, I bet. Some things in the pasta are just made, can´t be “unmade” … Walter´s paradox …

        Anyway, if all this happens, will be kind of disappointing … are we going to have a new show ? a new fresh start then ?
        :)

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        • Dylan says

          Walter’s logic defying paradox – sure, it might be responsible for the machine, but then again he doesn’t know if the first people really were another species and that they activated the machine 250 million years ago and that’s exactly why the wormhole links to it.

          All it would take is for the wormhole to destroy the machine during their attempt at transporting it and then they would know that they aren’t the first people.

          Also, if it’s already happened – it is a paradox, then Walter doesn’t have to do anything (unlike his “I have to do it” speech). The universe will just self-correct and it’ll happen by some other means.

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        • Real1 says

          Actually , If red Peter did change the future ,past and present by making the bridge and opened the doorway , there will be no meaning for the first people book or for that future which we saw it . it’s done in one time and it’s gone by making another choice at the present time .

          In my opinion , they are not going to vanished all Fringe’s seasons by deleting red Peter from existence , and if they did …. we are knowing that Peter’s character still at the show somehow and he is still the only one who can drive the BBM .

          Maybe .. they are messing with us to cover what they will do in s4 , i can’t blame them :D ….. but trying to convince me that s4 is a fresh start to Fringe .. Nope .

          As long as that future isn’t coming to pass am ok LOL …. , I was thinking that Walternat didn’t kill the real Olivia in future , because i think that Walternat is knowing …. that Olivia and Peter are connecting to the BBM .. so he was wanting to force Peter to use BBM all over again and he is keeping the real Olivia somewhere .

          How nice ?

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          • Dylan says

            The machine exists in the background once Peter has vanished. It hasn’t gone anywhere.

            The problem is that they’ve introduced a paradox that requires Peter to exist, as the him and the machine cannot exist without the other. However, the machine, the bridge, circumstances that required Peter are all still there, and yet he disappears and the only explanation from the producers is that his consciousness was from the future and that future doesn’t exist so neither does his consciousness. But that doesn’t explain why his body vanished, where the original consciousness went, and most importantly, why Peter has now apparently never existed.

            He didn’t do anything that would affect any time before that moment the bridge was created.

            And nice and simple; how could the bridge exist without Peter?

            -add to that; none of the characters (walter, walternate, etc) seemed remotely shocked, once peter was gone, that their two worlds just bridged for no apparent reason.

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      • Dylan says

        Still, nothing you said explains why he doesn’t exist/never existed.

        And I thought Walter wrote ZFT?

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        • William Bishop says

          Walternate wrote Over There, Over Here it was Bell, by the way are they even doing something to answer the questions about ZFT? I still can’t believe that it was all about a man wanting to be “special”

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          • Dylan says

            I know Walternate wrote over there’s. But with ours, I only recall the typewriter that was in Walter’s lab, and that William Bell was funding ZFT – but I don’t remember anything suggesting that he wrote it.

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        • Real1 says

          Actually it’s Bell , remember the type writer at Walter’s lab ? and the letter “Y” ? and then Walter said that William did write this book .

          Red Peter served his purpose by opening the doorway between 2 sides , so he is exist , but he is not existing in the time and in the events of s1 and s2 and s3 at blue side , because he is done by the bridge , so he is now at the red side as how supposed to be .. with his real father .

          I know .. that’s only a theory nothing is for sure , but and open to read more theories than what i think of :)

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          • Dylan says

            when does Walter say that?

            That was my understanding, only Peter’s action didn’t change any of the past events – his kidnapping for instance – at all. He only bridged the universes, so it makes no sense that his action had an impact at all on the past.

            Also, that explanation still doesn’t explain why he doesn’t exist.

            If he never existed then there is no machine, no paradox, no bridge. The show hasn’t yet to explain, the producers have explained with something that doesn’t work, – right now, there is nothing to make sense of it.

            They need to resolve this a.s.a.p in season 4 otherwise this is an enormous plot hole.

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            • Filp says

              He sid the type writer was from Belly … and then the episode ended with that weird Y matching … ZFT and what Walter was typing …

              Man they need to solve many things, but you know, thay will choose, like the girl from the bible, they put her in teh show then got no meaning and vanished her, now they say was only to show biblical side of the history, call me dumb…

              :)

              Anyway, many things to answer, many things let behind … in onw of the interviewes they try to connect the fast pregnancy with an earlier episode in season 1 … mas thats ok! but what is the conection ? walternate was testing subjects here ?? you see, there is no connection.

              lets see.

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              • Dylan says

                I just read through the transcript for ‘Ability’.

                There’s no mention of Bell having bought the typewriter.

                The lab at Harvard is, and always has been, Walter’s lab. Bell never worked in it.

                There isn’t anything definitive for either argument of Bell or Walter being the author.

                Oh and yes, without a doubt, there are so many lingering plot threads and ignored developments, it’s embarrassing when doing a whole rewatch of the seasons; just how many there actually are.

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            • Real1 says

              That was in s1 “Ability” when Olivia asked red Peter to find his weird connection to find any thing about ZFT , and red Peter found it ,

              Ok let’s start by the facts : red Peter is the only one who can drive the BBM , some DNA from red Peter’s DNA can switch on the BBM ( hence that bompy Henry has 23 of his father DNA was sufficient to switch on the red BBM ) , Olivia can switch off the machine to let red Peter in blue BBM , there is 2 machines not 1 .

              If all of that it’s ok , then , red Peter destroyed the red side but Walternat did arrive to blue side asking for making some peace and saving his world … here we can stop .. who’s saying that Walternat came to blue side alone ? nothing is sure that Walternat came alone maybe he brought with him Altbranden and AltOlivia too ? maybe the one which he did shoot is not our Olivia at all it was AltOlivia ( hence the white light and all were collapsing on ground ) so his purpose was to let his son going back in to the BBM and restore what did happen .

              We saw that the red BBM was having the image of red Peter while red Peter was still at the blue BBM not disappearing , so why not that future red Peter was coming in to the red BBM at that time ? and by red Peter at the present and future Peter at the present but in 2 different machine caused a mutation which let one of them stuck at the red BBM so red Peter was vanished ?

              I mean , the one which was talking to Olivia : you are alive , was the future red Peter but the one which did the choice was red Peter from the present , so one BBM vanished with red Peter in it and stuck at the future ……. maybe , but the producers are saying that this future is not existed now .

              So what did happen ? … and how one BBM is not existed too we have only one BBM on blue side ?

              Simply …… future red Peter is the one who did come back to present and the real red Peter is at the red side and has nothing with any thing , so future red Peter vanished and served his purpose by opening the doorway between 2 sides , so Walter is not remembering red Peter nor Olivia because he is not existing in the blue side , and they did activate the BBM from 3 or 6 DNA of Walternat and Olivia has the power to switch it off .

              Actually .. i can see them can go with so many ways , and they are covering up what they want to do in S4 , but I really really really hoping that they will give some real explanation on that just to let the fans turn in not out …. at least they are saying that the 3 mains characters of the show are still there . that’s a hope !

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              • Dylan says

                Once again, the loss of a consciousness shouldn’t have any impact on the host’s form.

                None of that should have affected anything before the choice to create a bridge. What they’ve done is the equivalent of me cutting open an orange but fixing time so that I don’t cut the orange, and then me just disappearing because I apparently never existed. Doesn’t make a shred of sense.

                And if what you said was the case, what about Walternate? He’d certainly know Peter, and Walter should certainly know of him.

                Also, the two universes just bridged inside a single room for no apparent reason, and yet none of the characters in the room who survive Peter’s disappearing act appear even remotely concerned about what just happened.

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                • Real1 says

                  I think and as how i did see it , Peter was happy to see Olivia alive and was smiling to her and said i understand , Olivia seemed not happy to see Walternat ( the man which was agreeing to kill her ) AltBronden ( the man which was wanting to cut her body alive ) AltOlivia ( the woman which was taking every thing from her ) , same time Walter wasn’t happy to see Walternate , Peter said to Olivia i understand now … but she was not paying any attention to what he is going to say .. Walter and Olivia were in shock of what did just happened .

                  Walter vs Walternate , Olivia vs AltOlivia and still Peter was there talking about what he did and what he was seeing .. and then he vanished from the vision … it’s like 2 seconds and Walternat talked . So 2 seconds was sufficient to erase Peter from there and no one remembered him …… do you remember s3ep6 were the people were forgetting their memory ? .. same thing i guess did happen to all of them include our photograph memory (Olivia) .. but i guess Olivia can reprogramming her memory …… soon enough .

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                  • Dylan says

                    They should still leave them all confused as to why the two universes just bridged for no apparent reason.

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              • Dylan says

                …and what did Peter find (I just read the transcript for ‘Ability’. This is a serious question, don’t interpret it as rhetorical)?

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                  • Dylan says

                    Alright, then that brings us back to the original argument. When was it confirmed that Bell wrote our side’s ZFT?

                    “And then Walter said that William did write this book”

                    That’s what you said, but you have yet to tell me when he says it. And it’s not in ‘Ability’, I already read the transcript.

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              • Dylan says

                Occam’s razor; “one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything”.

                In other words, one should not make up new things, that would require evidence of their own, in order to try and justify a theory.

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            • Dac says

              I see what you are saying and agree. It doesn’t make sense to me either. I think there is something in the way Peter woke up from the coma state he was in. He was confused and I wonder if that is when future Peter arrived. Perhaps present Peter is still in a coma like state somewhere. Maybe he just didn’t exist right then, right there? Sorta like being in two places at once.

              Who knows really. Hopefully we don’t wait too long in S4 for answers.

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  3. Dylan says

    From ‘Ability’;

    (ZFT manuscript)

    “We think we understand reality. But our universe is only one of many. The unknown truth is that the way to travel between them has already been discovered – by beings, much like us, but whose history is slightly ahead of our own. The negative aspect of such visitation will be irreversible both to our world and to theirs. It will begin with a series of unquantifiable natural occurrences – difficult to notice at first – but growing, not unlike a cancer, until a simple fact becomes undeniable. Only one world will survive. It will either be us – or them.”

    It’s nice to know that they haven’t changed any of this.

    Hey, wait a moment…

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    • Real1 says

      I think it’s time to re-watch s1 :)

      s1ep19 :

      WALTER: This typewriter’s Belly’s. I remember the day he purchased it. It was raining.

      PETER: Do you understand what you’re saying, Walter? That William Bell doesn’t just fund Z.F.T., he wrote their manifesto, and is actual responsible for everything that’s been happening?

      WALTER: Absolutely not. William Bell was many things. He was ambitious. He was egotistical. He was temperamental. But he wasn’t a madman. Although the ideas in his manifesto are radical, he wouldn’t do this – this – these horrendous things. He would never do it. There are references all throughout to the chapter of ethics. But there is no such chapter. It is missing. And I believe that someone has removed it to suit their own evil purposes. And I can prove it.

      then at the end :

      WALTER: (responding to the door closing, without looking to see who has entered) Astrid, I found it. The original manuscript with the extra pages. I was right. Listen to this. ‘…Our children are our greatest resource. We must nurture them and protect them. We must prepare them so they can one day protect us.’ You see, I was…

      I think there is another episode about ZFT book but i have to re-watch s1 .

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      • Dylan says

        ‘The Road not Taken’. There won’t be another episode on ZFT, that was the last time that there was any mention of it on our side.

        Very well, I agree. Although I am curious about what Walter was going to say before September interrupted him. Perhaps our side’s ZFT is a jointly-created manifesto?

        lol and to be fair, just pointing out, there’s no confirmation that Bell did in fact write it – it just happened to be written on a typewriter that he bought many years ago. Though I’m happy to go with character’s logic.

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        • Real1 says

          In ” midnight” s1 , according to NICHOLAS BOONE the man who’s funding Z.F.T… is William Bell.

          and in “Bad dreams” s1 , ASTRID: (on her cell phone in the lab reading the ZFT Manifesto) “There is a war coming. Not a war of hatred and anger – a battle for survival. Many warriors of the inevitable confrontation are among us now. But before they can be considered soldiers, they must be regarded as recruits.”

          So the war is not from any side .. it’s from natural i think , as how in s3ep10 “the firefly” September said to Walter that their actions is upsetting the nature and now the nature seeks a balance .

          I think there is more and more to William Bell than we ever thought , of course in theory am saying that .

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  4. dawnf says

    It is WalterNet not nate or nat..IDKW but it was bugging me ;) s4 is going to be great, s1 is still my favorite,but s3 was trying to get back there:0

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