Fringe Observations: 2.16 Olivia. In The Lab. With The Revolver


Welcome to Fringe Observations: the comprehensive Clues and Eastereggs Round-upfor episode 16 of season 2 – “Olivia. In The Lab. With The Revolver”.

Below the jump we dig deep into the mythology, as we explore the various clues and eastereggs from the episode and try to figure out what the heck it all means.

Look Blues Playing With Us

The opening scene featured blue hues. Not quite the full-on blue flashes that we’re used to looking out for, but they seemed intentional nonetheless – as if someone from another time or place was tweaking the focus on a lens as they peered in on events.

Car Pool

Speaking of ‘blue’, Miranda Greene’s car stuck out somewhat. For one thing it’s pretty much the only primary color in this sea of cars. I also find it interesting that a Cortexiphan subject (noted for their innate preference for black and grey soldier gear) has seemingly bucked that trend, at least in terms of her wheels.

Distortion

Although the red light appeared larger to Miranda due to the rapid onset of cancer, this type of size distortion reminds me of the Alice In Wonderland references we noted back in Jacksonville.

Observing The Observer


The Observer strikes early as he walks past a soon to be pimpled Miranda Greene.

INtREPID

Before she died, Miranda was prepping a case against INtREPUS Pharmaceuticals. INtREPUS is a rival of Massive Dynamic and is owned by David Esterbrook, who was busted by Olivia in The Cure for creating ‘human bombs’. We’ve previously speculated that Esterbrook is part of a secret society with ties to Olivia’s uncle (note Esterbrook’s lapel, the same symbol as on the kayak belonging to Olivia’s uncle). Interesting to see Olivia and Miranda – both Cortexiphan subjects, bringing down the same unethical corporation.

Sea Ya

The famous Seahorse Glyph appears on the wall of Lloyd Becker’s abode.

Got A Clue

As we speculated last week, the ‘Clue movie poster’ was indeed the episode clue for “Olivia. In The Lab. With The Revolver”. The episode not only featured the titular connection, but involved a murder-mystery, included other links in the shape of Clue weapons and contained a direct reference to the game itself (above).

A Weiss Man Once Said..

Olivia asks Sam:“What made you the way you are?”. Sam tells Olivia: “I’m older than I look. I barely remember my childhood”. His first statement about being older than he appears could tie into several ideas explored in previous episodes, such as the ‘Eternal Youth’ theme from The Bishop Revival and the subtle Immortality references. If this is the connection, the natural question is whether Robert Bishop, or perhaps Walter, were involved somehow?

Sam’s mention of not remembering his childhood sounds very similar to the experience of both Olivia and Peter. Could Sam also be a Cortexiphan kid (perhaps from a pre-Jacksonville trial?) – is that how he got his skills and how he came into contact with Nina? Or, could he even be from another universe – perhaps a Cortexiphan subject from the Other Side, who were “slightly ahead” of us, after all. It’s probably worth mentioning that his ability to read people is also somewhat Observerish. I’m not saying he’s an Observer, but perhaps the Observers give certain people certain abilities? I mean, it’s possible that they gave Peter his much speculated powers.

Aside from these possibilities, I think we also have another perception connection. Sam is essentially telling Olivia that he’s not how he appears (he’s older and taller). Again, In our Jacksonville Observations I noted the ‘Alice In Wonderland’ size distortion references, and I think we may have something similar here. Sam has childhood issues and we can read his other comments as relating to his trouble growing up (‘identity’ motif) – he doesn’t get ‘invited to dinner parties’. Is he projecting a specific image which may not be his real identity? That’s basically what I think this could be telling us – that the Sam we see, may not be what he really looks like. I’m also wondering whether that bowling alley of his is really there, or is it just a manifestation/representation of what we think we see? (I know we’ve seen other people in there, but still). This may seem kookie, but it wouldn’t be the first time that people and objects turn out to be different from how they appear from our limited field of vision – just look at the folks from Edina, the Shapeshifters, and even Peter when Olivia has her glimmer detector activated.

Spark Me

Nick Lane’s aunt can be seen completing a puzzle of The Creation Of Adam painting by Michelangelo. This is a neat reference to the episode as the painting depicts Adam receiving the spark of life from God’s outstretched hand.

This not only parallels with the “activation” of the Cortexiphan kids’ dormant ability, but also parallels and contrasts with James Heath’s “touch of death“, where his touch caused fellow Cortexiphan subjects to swap energy with him and die, giving him prolonged life in exchange.

So we have the spark of life reference inversed with the touch of death. This is a theme already established in the show with the mass for mass and duality/balance concepts.

The puzzle can also refer to the ‘puzzle element’ of Fringe, which is how I look at the show – building piece by piece to gain a ‘bigger picture’. While the mirrored positioning of God and Adam is reflected in the mirrored quality of Fringe in general.

Mirrored

Speaking of mirrored qualities, the above scene with Broyles and Nina is a prime example of that. The discussion, positioning and context directly mirrors last season’s “Bad Dreams”:

..Where Broyles and Olivia watch Nick Lane in his drug-induced state from a window of a medical facility painted all white.

It’s likely that Heath and Lane are being kept in-situ in the same facility, possibly Massive Dynamic owned.

Harlem Globe Trotter

This picture of a globe of our world behind Olivia seems somehow poignant. It’s as if Olivia, our protector, is standing in between our world and the consequences of Walter’s actions. But what are the consequences for Olivia? Will she become morally corrupt and one day be in Walter’s shoes?

Other Clues

  • Olivia turns to Greek Mythology, referring to the secret about Peter’s origins as a Pandora’s Box. This is a straight forward reference but it also illustrates her anxiety over the “terrible things” that the truth will cause for everyone involved, and not just Walter or Peter.
  • The, Lead Pipe, Wrench, Dagger, Revolver and Candlestick – the Clue weapons for this episode, as per the title.
  • The Glyphs for this episode spelled ENERGY, as in the energy exchange between Heath and his victims.

As always, if you have any comments on the above article, or you feel that we’ve missed anything out, feel free to share your thoughts in the comments.

Comments

  1. Rafael T says

    What do you mean Sam has childhood issues ? Does some flashback of his already appeared in the series ? And if he said so, he could be lying.

    Great review as always. You can observe some neat stuff in a episode.

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    • says

      Hi Rafael,
      I probably should have clarified my point a little better. What I mean is that he doesn’t remember his childhood – perhaps indicating that he went through something traumatic, possibly similar to Olivia. Of course, he might not remember simply because he’s so old that he’s forgotten, but I’d like to think that it’s the former.

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  2. Hatch says

    Roco, you are awesome. This is why I read this blog. The producers are somewhere saying “YES, people notice this stuff! They get it!”

    I had never noticed that symbol on Esterbrook’s lapel as being the same one on the kayak. Fascinating. I’m continually surprised at how much stuff the pilot packed in to be used in later episodes. I just know the uncle is going to be a big factor, possibly next season.

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    • Anjali says

      Definitely intrigued to find out the connection with Olivia’s uncle. Looks good for a season 3 storyline.

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    • says

      Hatch,
      I agree, they definitely packed a lot into the Pilot and it’s good to know that they haven’t simply forgotten about those early seeds. Can’t wait to see where the kayak/symbol/gggr connection leads.

      Thanks for the kind words!

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  3. Bishop Takes Queen says

    I always feel good when I notice things in the episode that have a greater significance, and then I come here and read your posts only to realize I missed 75% of the other clues. :)

    Thanks for another insightful analysis, Roco. This website has really kept me in the loop of the convoluted mythology of Fringe.

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  4. Anjali says

    Great observations.

    Roco, I thought you should know. The Fringe fan page on facebook has added your site as one to watch. So I think the producers may be reading this blog! :)

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  5. Inter-dimensional Dave says

    “A Weiss Man Once Said”‘

    In the “Heroes Journey” summary of steps in the first section, part three is called, “supernatural aid”. And I quote, “Once the hero has committed to the quest, consciously or unconsciously, his or her guide and magical helper appears, or becomes known.” I see Sam Weiss as this guide. Perhaps he is a shaman like figure who has the benefit of experience that he can pass along to Dunham. Experience wrought from the “other side” ? We’ll see.

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  6. mlj102 says

    I completely agree with what Bishop Takes Queen said: “I always feel good when I notice things in the episode that have a greater significance, and then I come here and read your posts only to realize I missed 75% of the other clues.” Well said, and it mirrors exactly how I feel. Seriously, Roco, I’m always amazed by the insight you bring to everything in each episode and you constantly make me look at things in new ways. I always know if there’s something I missed or something I didn’t understand, I can count on you to clear it up in these Observation posts.

    Blue lights: I was quite puzzled by these blue lights — they’re clearly different from the typical blue flashes, but they were also very deliberate, as if intended to show some sort of significance to that scene. I wonder if that will be addressed or cleared up later, or if it will be left to speculation… I like your interpretation of someone tweaking the focus on a lens… Strange.

    Along with the seahorse in Becker’s apartment, I thought there were several other references to other glyphs throughout the episode. I thought the handprint that Walter was analyzing could be linked to the hand glyph. When Heath was at the store and he quickly left when he got sick, he stumbled into the display of apples, referring to the apple glyph. And in the end, as Olivia was talking to Heath after the attack, there was a large picture of white daisies behind her, which reminded me of the flower glyph. It seems they have really gotten to the point where they like to include these indirect, subtle references to the glyphs. Or else I’m just making a big deal out of things that are merely a coincidence.

    Globe/Map: I’ve noticed this large world map in the entryway of the Bishop’s home before, but this was definitely the clearest view we’ve had of it and I thought it was significant. I like your interpretation of it in relation to that scene.

    You forgot the rope in your list of Clue weapons that appeared in this episode — it was on a table in the lab. I really loved the way they featured each of the weapons in the course of the episode — I thought it was a brilliant move on their part.

    There was a good reflection of Miranda Greene in the rear view mirror of her car as she was getting sick. There was also a pretty clear reflection in the window of the car of the man who came to help her.

    One thing I’ve noticed this season is that the color “Green” seems to be featured quite a bit. There have been several characters with “green” in their last name, which was the case this episode with Miranda Greene. Then there are little things like the focus on the green shopping basket Heath used when at the store. I don’t know if it means anything, but it just seems there have been a lot of instances like that when they seem to be paying particular attention to the color green.

    Also, it could be nothing, but the song playing in the background of the grocery store, called “Travelin’ Man” made me think of Peter — how he’s always been a bit of a traveling man, never staying in one place for long. Maybe I’m looking into things too much, but it made me wonder if it’s some type of subtle foreshadowing that Peter is going to return to his “traveling man” ways after he learns the truth.

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    • says

      mlj,

      Thanks for the heads-up on the rope (same goes to edgesight), I’ll add that to the post soon.

      I also noticed the more subtle glyph imagery. I wonder how intentional it is? Have they run out of the stickers they used in 2.04? :)

      Also, nice catch on the song – you could be onto something there.

      Thanks as always.

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  7. LMH says

    Oh how I knew those crazy blue lights in the beginning would be appreciated here lol, as well as all of the nicely placed glyphs.
    I found everything about Intrepus particularly fascinating, and whether or not they are working with or against MD’s war preparations (given the rivalry b/w the two companies, corporate espionage, etc. alluded to with the Claire Williams case).

    I am really curious (as I’m sure we all are) as to the identity of the “man in the glasses” who is/was activating Bell’s subjects. Sure we have Isaac Winters for Susan Pratt and Nancy Lewis, and probably Nick Lane, but was he already dead or still alive when Neil/James was activated in the hospital? (He was shot by Liv in “Road Not Taken”). Astrid said the cases involving James’ death touch spanned the last 20 months, and Olivia apparently came asking about Nick Lane 6 months (?) ago according to Nick’s aunt. I guess it’s hard to know what kind of timeline the show’s events are on, but if Nick and James were activated around the same time, the now deceased Winters could have been responsible. Unless they just want us to think it was Winters ; )

    I really thought that Sam Weiss was intentionally dropping CLUES for Olivia with his statements about her uniform, not remembering childhood, and I’m taller than I look, to spark the connection between the cases and the drug trials. Height being the clue for the height chart (and explaining all those darn giraffes in Jacksonville?!). Though his mention of being “older than he looks” does raise more questions that clue dropping explains. Was Sam’s surprise at Liv’s reactions fake, was he just making observations or was everything he said intentional clue dropping because he knows everything? Why does Sam always know how to “say the right thing?” Why is he always correct? Is he a drug trial baby too, with abilities to feel or understand people instantly…maybe connected to what Walter has said about the transference of ideas, etc. through proximity…or something far more interesting/otherworldly? Anyway, I love him and I’m going to try to pay more attention to what colors he wears!

    I think my favorite random thing about this ep was Livy’s attack with the candlestick. Made up a little bit for the fact that she didn’t take him down as easily as I think she should have. Was she that distracted/tired from the whole Peter thing and not getting any sleep? She definitely wasn’t at the top of her game, slow on making the connections on the case and Astrid was finding the past victims for her. I guess she is indeed still human despite her amazing skills.

    I’m waiting for all of the energy transfer seed planting that’s been going on since season one to get all kinds of crazy in the next episode, and maybe something to do with Peter’s possible ability? Probably still just wishful thinking on that last one this early on, but I just can’t wait to see what Walter means by “you have no idea what you’re capable of.” Of course the obvious clue to the next episode is that big vitamin bottle that says “Total Energy” alluding to our total energy-sucking man to be played by Peter Weller (how great is that?). Always left waiting for next thursday.

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    • mlj102 says

      “Sure we have Isaac Winters for Susan Pratt and Nancy Lewis, and probably Nick Lane, but was he already dead or still alive when Neil/James was activated in the hospital?”

      Nice observation! I had immediately ruled out Isaac Winters as the person who could have activated James because I knew he had been shot and I forgot that James had actually been activated over a year ago. So I had automatically thought there must be someone else activating people now that Isaac is presumably dead, but now that you mention it, it’s quite possible that Isaac is indeed the one who activated James.

      I share your confusion regarding the timeline. I really, really try to keep up with what happened when, but sometimes it gets complicated and uncertain and it contradicts itself. For example, in this episode, we’re to assume that it’s all taking place the same time the episode airs — which would be the beginning of April, but if you look at Miranda’s planner that shows her appointments on the day she died (one of the days the episode takes place), it’s clearly labeled March 10. But then later, when you look at Olivia’s timeline for each of the deaths, she labels Miranda’s death as April 2010. So I suppose sometimes you just have to give your best guess in order to establish when things actually took place.

      As for the activation timeline, here’s what I’ve been able to come up with. According to Olivia’s timeline of the deaths, James’ sister, Julie, died in February 2008. That would seem to suggest that James was activated shortly before that, so around January/February 2008. Then we jump forward to Nick Lane. According to his doctor, an “attorney” (according to Nick, the man with the glasses) showed up at the hospital and began visiting Nick four months before the events of Bad Dreams. Bad Dreams aired the end of April 2009, so if that’s when the events of the episode are supposedly taking place, that would put Nick’s activation around December 2008/January 2009. We don’t know for sure when Nancy and Susan were activated, though the check Isaac Winters wrote out to Susan appears to have been dated April 2009, so I imagine her activation took place somewhere around there. And, if The Road Not Taken is meant to have taken place when it aired, then we can assume Isaac Winters died in May 2009. So it seems very likely that Broyles was right when he told Nina that James was activated by the same person who activated Nick, Susan, and Nancy, with James actually being the first one that we know of who was activated.

      In addition, you mentioned how Nick’s aunt told James that Olivia had visited her to ask about Nick about 6 months ago. But if the days the episodes were aired are to be believed, Bad Dreams happened in April 2009 while this episode took place April 2010, which would mean that it would be a year in between the two. So the possible explanations are: Nick’s aunt was mistaken and she thought it had only been six months but it had really been a year, Olivia visited Nick’s aunt in between the two events, or someone was slacking when it came to following through with continuity. Personally, I like the idea that Olivia was continuing to follow through and learn more about Nick and the Cortexiphan trials in between events. That would bring up all sorts of interesting possibilities.

      So then the question is, who were Isaac Winters and Sanford Harris working for? And now that they’re both dead, is there someone else who will be going around to activate the Cortexiphan Kids? And, somewhat related to this topic, why is it that we have only found the Cortexiphan Kids from the Jacksonville experiments — what happened to the Worchester kids? According to Broyles, there were around 30 of them. Will we start to meet them soon?

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    • Elaine says

      Is he a drug trial baby too, with abilities to feel or understand people instantly…maybe connected to what Walter has said about the transference of ideas, etc. through proximity…or something far more interesting/otherworldly?

      ~~~~

      Seems like a million years ago since Walter uttered those cryptic words to Peter at the end of ‘The Arrival’, but I believe we’ve been seeing examples of what he meant since then in both subtle and less subtle ways.

      I like the idea that Sam’s past may include a drug trial during his childhood, or that maybe he is from the parallel universe…or something like an Observer. I suppose it’s wide open to exactly what or who Sam truly is; and what part he’s meant to play in this narrative.

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    • says

      LMH,
      Excellent point regarding Winters. As mlj said, it’s certainly possible that he was also behind JH’s activation.

      Who is the man behind the curtain?

      On a somewhat related note, this talk of “the man in the glasses” makes me wonder if Winters (or Winternate?) is an any way related to the guy with the glasses who bumped into Olivia in Jacksonville. I doubt it, since I’m happy with the notion that the glasses were a reference to the Window in 2.16, but it did cross my mind.

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  8. Pakafloz says

    I still don’t feel that the episodes are completely “Mythological”. Do you remember the first episode of this season? It wasn’t all about the alternate universe but also the shape-shifters, where are they? where’s Newton? They were the problem in the first place, and it’s been a loooooooooong time since we watched something from them. I’ll enjoy more to watch Fringe if we have the shape-shifters and Newton back. (Do you remember THEY will start the war between the two worlds??)
    Just my two cents…

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    • mlj102 says

      “the shape-shifters, where are they? where’s Newton? They were the problem in the first place, and it’s been a loooooooooong time since we watched something from them.”

      You mean, since Jacksonville when Newton and the shapeshifters managed to bring a building from over there over here? Yeah, that’s a loooooooooooong time.

      :)

      Sorry, I’m not trying to be mean… I just couldn’t help it. I think it feels like a long time since we’ve heard from them because of the two month lowatus. But as far as the show is concerned, it was only two episodes ago, which really isn’t that long (especially considering that Peter was a flashback episode). And I’m sure that all the other things we’re learning about Cortexiphan and the alternate universe and the history behind Walter and Peter will all be important aspects that will tie in to the Newton/Shapeshifter story, as well.

      My suggestion is to just be patient — they certainly haven’t forgotten about Newton and the shapeshifters and I have a feeling we’ll be hearing more from them soon. Okay, so maybe I read a certain press release that indicates we’ll be seeing them, so it’s a bit more than just a “feeling,” but you get my point. They’ll be back.

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      • LizW65 says

        Personally, I’ve found the sense of continuity is much stronger when you can watch all the episodes uninterrupted over a period of a few days. That’s what I did with Season One.

        (I didn’t get hooked on the show until Night of Desirable Objects, but my signifigant other had been watching the show from the beginning and telling me all about how great it was to no avail–for some reason I had the idea that it was a carbon copy of NCIS, you know, with another eccentric, British-accented older guy puttering around a lab–and as I dislike cookie-cutter police procedurals I basically ignored it altogether.)

        Then I got hooked on Season 2 and bought the Season 1 DVD set to play catch-up, and was pleasantly surprised by the continuity of theme and *especially* of character development, which struck me as unusually thorough for a TV show. And while it seems that Season 2 in general has less continuity, I’m sure that when I’m able to see the whole thing as one unit it will all come together with the same degree of cohesion.

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        • Zee says

          I totally agree LizW65, I have more fun with the episodes when I can watch them in a big marathon back to back. I’ve been debating not watching each week so that I can do that….but then I wouldn’t get to have the fun of keeping up with this blog each week!

          Speaking of marathons, I’ve been re-watching the first season of the X-Files now that it is on Netflix Instant-watch online. It has really been re-iterating for me how much Fringe is informed and influenced by the X-files, both in subtle themes and mood, and in direct references and homage. Fun stuff.

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  9. edgesight says

    LEAD PIPE – Sam Weiss removes it from the Bowling Alley equipment
    WRENCH – There is one next to Sam and on the LEAD PIPE
    DAGGER – This is on the mantle in Lloyd’s when Olivia picks up his picture and Broyles asks “What did you see?”
    CANDLESTICK – Olivia uses this to hit Mr. Cancer in the Kitchen
    REVOLVER – The only guns I saw was Olivia’s (which she didn’t get to use) and the game piece that Sam moves on the Clue game board
    ROPE – A bundle of rope is seen in the forground of the lab scene (with a light shining on it) just before the conversation about the Touch of Death and Tantric Sex.

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  10. Kappa says

    Great review and observations as always. I always visit the site after I’ve seen the episode. Keep the great work up.

    A fun observation of mine, that’s not about the Fringe mythology, is the name ‘Gorlomi’ that Miranda refers to in her car. It’s the same name that Kruger’s co-star, Brad Pitt, uses when he pretends to be Italian in ‘Inglourious Basterds’.

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    • Zee says

      Kappa, I was all excited to be the first to point out the Inglorious Basterds reference, and of course I get to the end of the comments, and you beat me to it! I kept waiting for another Tarrantino reference later in the episode, but I didn’t notice anything else.

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      • Kappa says

        I’m glad you noticed it too! I thought it had nothing to do with the Fringe Mythology, but I decided to write it. Fringe bloggers has made us watch everything with all our antennas open. Next time, you’ll beat me! (Roco has beaten us a thousand times so far!)

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  11. LMH says

    mlj102, thanks for doing the in-depth timeline for Isaac Winters. I didn’t have the energy or motivation to do the legwork on it, especially considering that many shows don’t adhere to a clearly defined timeline (except 24 of course). I would also expect that our dear Liv has tried to learn as much as she can about Nick Lane and the others. It is a little weird to be shuffling in new characters like James ahead of others we are already familiar with like the twins and Nick Lane in terms of the timeline, but I guess it is more realistic than our team magically finding out about the mishaps of each activated individual in the same order in which their abilities were triggered.

    Hopefully we can gain more insight into the process of activation itself, if it bears any resemblance to Liv’s ‘treatment’ done by Loeb and company, or if that incident was some kind of inoculation for whatever has alt-Boston under quarantine (maybe next season). BTW if that was an activation, then Winters obviously didn’t have a monopoly on that job. As with everything else, I guess we’ll see who is/was supposed to be in charge of activations and whether the process is well controlled (doubt it), or if we have multiple actors doing activations in order to work against each others’ plans.

    Still intrigued by that military insurance policy that Lane had, if he was ever in the military, I can’t remember…were our little cortexiphan kids insured by Bell and his associates? Random, I know, but just thinking in type.

    I’m still looking forward to the discovery (if ever) of Olivia’s little cortexiphan buddy, named “Brennan” I believe, if he survived her pyrokinetic episode as seen on Walter’s tape. Oh and of course I’d love to see Liv set someone on fire with her mind. Is that wrong? I love her so much as she is, she’s amazing, but that would be fantastic lol.

    Oh Roco and everyone else here, your brilliant observations and theories are always just too darn fascinating and keeping me up too late.

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  12. LMH says

    mlj102, thanks for doing the in-depth timeline for Isaac Winters. I didn’t have the energy or motivation to do the legwork on it, especially considering that many shows don’t adhere to a clearly defined timeline (except 24 of course). I would also expect that our dear Liv has tried to learn as much as she can about Nick Lane and the others. It is a little weird to be shuffling in new characters like James ahead of others we are already familiar with like the twins and Nick Lane in terms of the timeline, but I guess it is more realistic than our team magically finding out about the mishaps of each activated individual in the same order in which their abilities were triggered.

    Hopefully we can gain more insight into the process of activation itself, if it bears any resemblance to Liv’s ‘treatment’ done by Loeb and company, or if that incident was some kind of inoculation for whatever has alt-Boston under quarantine (maybe next season). BTW if that was an activation, then Winters obviously didn’t have a monopoly on that job. As with everything else, I guess we’ll see who is/was supposed to be in charge of activations and whether the process is well controlled (doubt it), or if we have multiple actors doing activations in order to work against each others’ plans.

    Still intrigued by that military insurance policy that Lane had, if he was ever in the military, I can’t remember…were our little cortexiphan kids insured by Bell and his associates? Random, I know, but just thinking in type.

    I’m still looking forward to the discovery (if ever) of Olivia’s little cortexiphan buddy, named “Brennan” I believe, if he survived her pyrokinetic episode as seen on Walter’s tape. Oh and of course I’d love to see Liv set someone on fire with her mind. Is that wrong? I love her so much as she is, she’s amazing, but that would be fantastic lol.

    Oh Roco and everyone else here, your brilliant observations and theories are always just too darn fascinating and keeping me up too late.

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    • LizW65 says

      Just have to reiterate here–someone really ought to do a Fringe timeline so we can keep track of all this stuff!

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      • LizW65 says

        ETA: I would be more than happy to have a go at making up a timeline myself! Unfortunately, I have dialup and lack the computer savvy to build a website, but I could email it as an attachment to Fringe Bloggers (with Roco’s permission, of course.):D

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        • mlj102 says

          LizW65 — yeah, those are some of the same reasons I haven’t wanted to volunteer in compiling a timeline. I have a mini timeline I’ve put together, with just basic things, but it’s hard because you have to determine what is and isn’t significant: you don’t want to leave out important things, but if you include too much it just becomes complicated, overwhelming and hard to follow. I almost wonder if it would be beneficial to do separate timelines like a Cortexiphan Timeline, a Pattern Timeline, a Bishop Family Timeline, etc. That would allow everyone to organize all the important information without all the events getting mixed together and becoming confusing. But that’s just a thought. Assuming Roco gives you the go ahead, I look forward to seeing what you put together.

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        • says

          Liz,
          Sounds like a good idea.

          Are you planning to do it in text format? Feel free to send it through and I can create a section for it. If you want to take charge in keeping the timeline updated we can also sort something out.

          Let me know.

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  13. Rita says

    Wow! Another great entry! I love this blog! I love FRINGE and now I definitely feel that people are doing the same thing what we had been doing during Battlestar Galactica. All these clues and mysteries, all waiting to be found out. I mean I did everything I could to figure out the ending of Battlestar, with all the mythologies, clues, historical referneces, songs, pictures, I went total crazy. :D Now I’m doin’ the same with this show! I’m lovin’ it! Keep up the good work! :)

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  14. OldElvis says

    The one thing I thought of (that you did not mention here), was the fact that this could have been a plot to kill all of the Cortexiphan subjects. Doesn’t everyone consider them the only ones who can potentially help the planned opening of the 2 worlds, or more importantly Identify & interact with those that do cross over?

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    • LizW65 says

      Interesting. That occurred to me briefly as well–that Cancer Guy could have been an unwitting tool of Newton or someone else bent on winning the interdimensional war before it started by eliminating those who could identify the shape-shifters.

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  15. Elaine says

    Okay, so, I’ve been going over a few things in my head regarding Walter crossing over, which in itself isn’t guaranteed to make a great deal of sense, but since my sister will only theorize with so much about Fringe, I have to come here, because if I don’t get this out of my head, I might burst. :-)

    Right, so, I’m beginning to think that while Walter may be believe that his crossing over to take alt/Peter caused the first crack between worlds, I think the first breach happened some time before by someone else…possibly Bell, but I’m beginning to think perhaps it was Robert Bishop. Walter, however, likely set off an interdimensional incident by taking alt/Peter…thus the impending war between worlds.

    Now, I realize my theory could be completely debunked in the next episode, but in looking at the previews for ‘White Tulip’ where the idea of time travel is re-intoduced–presumedly not via any machine like the dis-ray machine Walter built, and David Robert Jones unwisely utilized like the last time.

    And just like that, I completely lost my train of thought….Shark Farts!

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  16. Jennifer says

    That’s one of the first things I thought when I watched 2.15 Peter; that Walter wouldn’t have been the first to cross/open the door between worlds. I thought that it was suspicious that William Bell wasn’t there all that time, and couldn’t be reached. Already crossed over himself? The possibility of Walter’s father, Robert, hadn’t even occurred to me. Love this site for just that reason.

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  17. LMH says

    This episode and all the talk of activation had reminded me (yet I forgot to mention it) of that very intriguing line by Nick Lane that “sometimes what we wake up can’t be put back to sleep,” which Olivia repeats to Broyles at the end of Bad Dreams (and keep in mind the “mirrored” ending shots of that ep and this one as Roco pointed out). Seemed very much like foreshadowing at the time, so maybe our little cortexiphan kids in comas can’t be kept that way? But there might be a difference b/w those who have ‘natural’ abilities, talents or proclivity toward these talents vs. artificially created ones. Pure speculation if there is even this distinction, but scraps from the ZFT manuscript seem to suggest two such types, yet both need scientific intervention (or am I way off here?). Maybe one group’s abilities cannot be blocked through drug induced comas.
    Or perhaps the waking line simply refers to the possibly irreversible nature of subjects’ activations, once the ability is sparked it is always present in some degree or form.

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  18. Alison says

    Well, these “Cortexiphan kids” are obviously quite important. This will mostly likely not be the last time they’re going to make an appearance in the show (I know, pretty much a “no-brainer” statement). But I mean, since “Bad Dreams”, I always got the idea that we’d see Nick Lane again. Do you think these guys will be intentionally released some time down the road? Perhaps they’ll escape? Hmmm…., I don’t know.

    According to the “Z.F.T” manuscript they were all chosen to become soldiers in the upcoming “war” between universes, and although Olivia does not agree with their actions, including Walter’s and Bell’s, maybe she WILL have to somewhat unite the “soldiers”, a.k.a. the “Cortexiphan kids”, and lead them in protecting the universe. Not that there would be any pressure! LOL

    Anyway this is a theory of mine, emphasis on “theory”. There are sooo many routes this show could take, so it’s hard to really expect what’s going to happen. But I suppose that’s the fun of it. ;)

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  19. LMH says

    I know this ep is a few weeks back so don’t know if anyone will even see this, but here goes. Upon seeing this episode again, I was intrigued by the shirt Sam Weiss was wearing (not b/c it was gray) in the beginning at the bowling ally. I can’t quite make out what the image is supposed to be, looks maybe like a building? Anyway, I was tempted to think it could be the Emerald Palace from Wizard of Oz, but it might be a BIG long shot. Might be impossible to tell what the heck that pattern is. Minds tend to find meaningful patterns or impose them where there are none. Just thought I’d try, and I’ll feel better if someone can just tell me I’m dead wrong and it’s only a random swirly pattern ; )

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