Fringe Observations: 2.05 Dream Logic


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Welcome to Fringe Observations: the comprehensive Clues and Eastereggs Round-up for episode 5 of season 2 – Dream Logic.

Below the jump we explore the various clues and eastereggs from the episode and try to figure out what it all means.

To Dream

Next Episode Clue for Dream Logic

As we speculated last week, the next episode clue for Dream Logic was the quote from Hamlet – “To Sleep Perchance To Dream” which was written on the wall of the alley way where Olivia killed Evil Charlie.

Logic Clues

The quote ties into this episode because it dealt with accessing peoples dreams. Dr. Nayak hoped that by killing his twisted side it would put a stop to the nightmare that he had created – reinforcing the question of whether in death, the nightmare truly ends.

This also ties in to Peter’s nightmare, and the idea that even though original Peter died, our Peter is still living out both the dreams and nightmares that his ignorance affords him.

Infinity

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This ring picture could be a clue to something. Rings usually symbolise INFINITY.

Interestingly, this wasn’t the only representation of infinity that I noticed in the episode..

Logic Clues

The number 8 symbolises infinity, and so the number 88 (highlighted on the taxi cab above) symbolizes the DOUBLE DIRECTIONS of the infinity universe.

Also, since the shapeshifters are still in play, it might be worth mentioning that the number 88 is the number of days it takes the planet Mercury to travel around the sun.

(I think it’s worth keeping an eye out for any future “8″ references).

The number 22 is also on the taxi cab. 22 has a lot of meanings, of those possibly relevant here is another connection to infinity – 22 represents the movement, infinity.

Red Is Dead

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Obviously the color red was a key component of the episode. Above we’ve captured all of the people wearing red who Sam Weiss advised Olivia to get business cards from, as well as the other red references in the episode.

Just in case it wasn’t clear, Olivia took two letters from each of the business cards, creating an anagram. She then unscrambled the anagram to find a phrase. That phrase happened to be something she needed – which were Charlie’s words to her on her first day on the job: “you’re gonna be fine”. Sam knew that Olivia needed something to help her make sense of what has happened to her, and as I speculated a few weeks ago the implication seems to be that everything Olivia needs to survive is in front of her, she just needs to open her mind to the clues.

We might also have to consider that Olivia’s lucky color is red. We’ve already had hints that she dislikes the color yellow (Cortexiphan?).

And one final thing on this. For a while now I’ve been of the opinion that Olivia’s lucky number is the number 8 – it looks like we have more evidence of this as Sam instructed Olivia to collect EIGHT business cards from people wearing red. This comes on the back of Sam guessing that Olivia was a show size 8, and Ella giving Olivia a magic ball with the number 8 on it (not to mention the 88 on the cab in the above clue segment).

Green Is Mean

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The color red was a prominent occurrence in the episode, but I think the creators were also up to something else in using almost as green, as the captures above help to illustrate. There were also other references to green, such as Walter seeing “green unicorns” running across the Lab, a “detective green”, and Walter calling Astrid a Grinch.

I don’t think this is coincidence – especially since red and green were used in this way in the same episode. I’m referring to the green and red color thematic that has appeared as a sequence in several episodes of Fringe:

Fringe 1.08 THE EQUATION Easteregg & Clues

They appeared again in this episode.

I think the show will revisit this theme in future episode, as I have a feeling that it’s a lot more significant than the episode The Equation implied. The fact that the sequence was on the Observer’s binoculars, Rogue’s hat and the kayak from Olivia’s dream tells me that it’s an important brand or symbol of some kind.

Fear of St. Claire’s

Logic Clues

Walter seemed very put off about going into Gregg’s room. Why was that? Did it remind him of something that he did to Peter, or perhaps it brought back memories of what happened to him in St. Claire’s (did he have his memories stolen)?

He goes on to worry about having left the oven and toaster on, and the door unlocked. Then he mentions that Seattle seems “wet” and has a “smell”. All of this seems to imply that the events in this episode triggered a dormant memory inside Walter – perhaps from his time in St. Claire’s, or from abducting Peter?

His fear about leaving the door unlocked seems like a metaphor to opening the door between universes. We know that Walter left at least one gateway open at Reiden Lake (plugged in the season 1 finale) and that Olivia is apparently “the gate-keeper”. As for Walter’s anxiety about fire, we know that his Lab assistant died in a fire, and that there is an impending apocalypse. Much to chew on.

Major T-issue

Logic Clues

The “Don’t Spread It Around” poster seems innocent enough, but this being a show dealing with viruses and the human body turning on itself, you never quite know.

Throwbacks

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Inner Child

Olivia is wearing her old Northwestern sweatshirt (top). I find this interesting because the last time we saw her wear this was in the season 1 episode Inner Child (bottom), and all throughout this episode I kept thinking how similar Dream Logic was to that episode (in relation to Olivia actively following color clues). I guess the writers did too.

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As an aside, it’s also interesting to note that both Peter and Olivia are wearing all-gray. Once again the color thematics are telling us something. Not only have these two been wearing the colors of the Cortexiphan kids (black and gray) all season, but they think alike. I’m thinking that there’s a deeper connection between the pair.

UPDATE: Another throwback to “Inner Child” comes when Olivia flicks through her notepad. Some of the Child’s scribbles can be seen on the pages as she flicks through. [credit mlj102 in the comments]

The Mask

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Air time

There appears to be a gas mask on the head statue in Nayak’s office. This coming off the back of Belly’s own gas masking from 2.04. Probably not important, but it caught my eye.

Nayak or Kayak

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Zeno Kayak from Pilot Episode

I couldn’t help but notice that Dr. Nayak‘s name resembled the word KAYAK. The Zeno kayak from Olivia’s 1.01 dream is, for me, one of the most intriguing pieces of Fringe mythology floating out there, and I’m pretty sure that this was a shout-out from the writers to let us know that they haven’t forgotten about it.

If the name Nayak appeared in any other episode I probably wouldn’t place much importance on it, but for it to appear in an episode about dreams..seems to seal the deal.

47

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Yet another use of the number 47 – an Alias reference. I’m surprised they’ve used it so frequently this season – that’s the third time so far (or fourth, if you count twice in one episode).

The He of Knowledge

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I was happy to see another apple reference. If you caught our Momentum Deferred Observations you’ll know that the shapeshifter was eating a pear. Our speculation is that one of the differences that the writers are making between the two main worlds of the show is the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil - Over here it’s the apple, but over there it’s the pear.

As an aside, this is the second time we’ve seen a character take a bite from an apple – the first was Mitchell Loeb in The Equation, after he’d just broken the laws of physics. The symbolism was there for all to see – he had figuratively and literally taken a bite from the forbidden fruit. The implication  being that there are some things that we humans are not supposed to know or do – rules that God, or a higher force, has put in place.

To now see Peter taking a bite from an apple is no less interesting, as we know that he is from another world, so the implication here is that he is a player with unique knowledge and perspective, being a child of two worlds. The time may also come when he decides to side with over here, rather than over there. Of course, this is only speculation.

Oh, and before I forget, to further bring home the point (and to make some extra dollars from product placement), the creators put in another apple reference:

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UPDATE: I’m also wondering whether Peter’s red apple could be a Snow White reference. Something to chew on, perhaps?

Observing The Observer

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Here’s this week’s Observer sighting.

Not Olivia

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Although I’m pretty sure the creators wanted us to notice the picture that resembles Olivia (look at the way Anna Torv is standing), it’s definitely not her.

Real-Time

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The date on Charlie’s gravestone indicates that the time-line of the show is taking place in our present, or there abouts. We can infer that Charlie’s death took place on the day that Momentum Deferred aired on FOX (Oct. 8th). Which is interesting because technically, the real Charlie died in the season 2 premiere, which aired September 17. Perhaps the FBI are covering up the shapeshifter infiltration, similar to how they covered up the details of John Scott’s death? Or maybe we’re to believe that the events from A New Day In The Old Town took place on October 8th?

Either way, it’s safe to assume that the show is taking place in and around our current time-line.

UPDATE: The “infinity numbers” mentioned above, also appear on Charlie’s gravestone, possibly illustrating that Charlie’s life has come full circle, or reminding us that he’s still alive in the alternate universe [credit Helen in the comments]

Boy to a Man-tra

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I found it interesting that Walter used to condition Peter not to remember his dreams by saying the mantra “Please don’t dream tonight”. Two things spring to mind:

  1. Walter didn’t want Peter to remember that he was taken from his original world. It seems to suggest that young Peter did initially remember some of the details, as the final scene of the episode implies.
  2. Walter had his own mantra – of sorts – to help him get to sleep while he was incarcerated in St. Claire’s. He used to sing the nursery rhyme “row, row row your boat, gently down the stream”. I’ve always found this interesting because it reminded me of the Zeno kayak from Olivia’s dream in the Pilot episode. Of course, the key phrase in that nursery rhyme is: “life is but a DREAM”. Pick the bones out of that one and make of it what you will.

Baby Fat

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For me, this has to be one of the best and most rewarding details of season 2 so far. Back in the Pilot episode when Walter and Peter met for the first time in so many years, Walter commented on how he expected Peter to be “fatter”. We later speculated and learned that this was because he got this version of Peter from another world. As we can see in the capture above, young Peter is slightly chubby – certainly chubbier than the later childhood photos of Peter that we’ve seen, and I’m sure that this is intentional. This helps corroborate the idea that when Walter stole/acquired Peter from the other universe, Peter was chubbier than his original son.

This is a nice little piece of continuity.

Man In The Mirror

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Several interesting things to note here:

  1. The poster on Peter’s wall of the “Challenger Mission 11″ confirms that we are looking at a scene from another universe. In ‘our’ world the last Challenger Mission (#10) took place on January 1st, 1986 after it exploded (very sad). Looks like the other side are slightly ahead of us in certain developments. So far the writers do seem to be painting the picture that the other side are more….fortunate. Of course, things will probably even themselves out a bit as we learn more.
  2. Walter appears to be wearing a black jacket – which draws my mind back to one of the photos the Observer had of Walter wearing a black jacket (as others had suggested, is this alter-Walter?). I think this is important as we hardly ever see our Walter in black clothing. Logic would suggest that the Walter in the final scene of 2.05 was our Walter stealing Peter, but the choice of color leaves the door ajar for speculation.
  3. In the mirror (itself a nice piece of symbolism) we can see a mobile of the solar system with planets circling near to Walter’s head. The visible planets appear to be Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus Neptune and possibly Earth and Mars (see here for comparison). That said, I do have a sneaking suspicion that we’re look at another difference between the two main worlds of the show – that big red planet could be Mars, but I’d expect it to be smaller. So perhaps their version of Mars is larger, or it’s another planet unique to their solar system? And since I’m talking crazy-talk, maybe that’s what the ‘green/red’ color sequence denotes – a planetary system?

One More Flynn

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When Peter wakes up from his dream, a Vince Flynn book can be seen on the table. Vince Flynn is an American author of political thriller novels. I’m not sure which novel this is – Pursuit of Honor, perhaps?

Other Clues

  • There seemed to be a few references to water in this episode. We had Walter talking about being in the belly of a whale – possible Pinocchio reference, Sam Weiss telling Olivia that the business card clue game was like Go Fish, and Walter saying that Seattle was “wet”. Coincidence? Probably. But then again, possibly not.
  • The Glyph code for this episode spelled BETRAY. It’s not immediately obvious what or who this refers to, but I’m thinking Walter.
  • The yellow orb-light made several appearances. Here’s just one.

As Always, if you have any observations or feel that we’ve missed something out, feel free to share your thoughts in the comments.

Comments

    • says

      Yeah, which gives more credence to the thought that Seattle may actually be important to Walter somehow. I’m interested to see where this goes.

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    • CroftLara1 says

      Ric, I think you meant New York City (where it filmed last season.) It was cold and rainy at the Yankee game!

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  1. Page 48 says

    When Peter wakes up from his dream, a Vince Flynn book can be seen on the table. Vince Flynn is an American author of political thriller novels. I’m not sure which novel this is – Pursuit of Honor, perhaps?

    I’d rather that Bad Robot had let Vince Flynn write this episode. I think Mitch Rapp on the trail of The First Wave would be infinitely more interesting than a cwazy doctor messing with the dreams of his “who cares?” patients.

    It’s interesting that Peter remembers the reality of Challenger 11 in his childhood. His head must be full of similar contradictions that will eventually cause him some very sleepless nights. It’s clear that the wheels are in motion and the look on Walter’s face confirms that the charade is approaching its expiry date. This was the best moment of the episode, IMO, but let’s face it, it only lasted 60 seconds and it required slogging through an hour of yawn-TV to get to the candy at the end.

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  2. Betynha says

    Good observations.
    And just a thought… after Peter talks about the mantra, he has a bad dream, so I was wondering: did he “unlocked” a door for more memories? And this is only speculation, after all everything is possible in this show! ^^

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    • says

      I think the door was already ajar (the dream blocker stopped working at age 19), but you’re right in that the investigation, or perhaps the mantra gave the hinges a little bit of oil.

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  3. rich says

    When you mentioned the presence of glowing orbs in 2.05, I remember the glowing orb on the fox.com/fringe official webpage. In the blogger section, holding the mouse over the glowing/pulsating orb opens a gateway to another site (There is more…). However, this site has not been updated in quite sometime. The apple and the leaf have been animated but there seems to be no more activity. Do you have any info on the status of this hidden mystery?

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    • says

      The orbs along with the glyphs have been part of the Fringe imagery since the summer of 2008 (the original promotional campaign):
      http://www.fringebloggers.com/video-fringe-animations/

      Since the creative team have continued to use them in season 2, I think they do tie into the show in some way (for example, we saw the glowing orb hovering around Peter when Rebecca’s alter-vision kicked in, and we saw the glyphs on the wall of the Charlie death scene, as well as featuring in every ad-break).

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  4. mlj102 says

    I always look forward to your observations and seeing how you interpret things. Without fail, you always find things that I missed.

    Here are a couple of additional thoughts I had:

    Reflections: There were some awesome reflections in this episode! Aside from Walter’s reflection in the mirror during Peter’s dream, we also had a reflection of Olivia in the mirror when she opened the door for Peter, and another reflection of Olivia in the bathroom mirror when they were investigating in Zach Miller’s apartment. There was also the double computer monitors both showing pictures of the selected patients.

    Number 47: You mentioned that 47 had only appeared in three episodes so far, but from what I can see, it has shown up in every episode except for Night of Desirable Objects, making it 4 episodes. You mentioned the appearance in the premiere, where the evidence marker showed number 47. In Fracture, Walter mentioned that he’d “stopped counting at 47 needle marks”. In Momentum Deferred we had another reference when Walter mentioned that the shapeshifter’s blood “was 47% mercury”. And you also mentioned the appearance in this episode with yet another evidence marker. It’s been fun looking for those mentions and I agree that they sure seem to be emphasizing it a lot lately.

    Real Time: I liked the reference and clarification from Charlie’s grave stone, but it was somewhat of a plot hole, too. In the season 1 finale, the newspaper on Bell’s desk was dated the same day the episode aired (May 12, I believe). We’re told that Olivia was only gone for a few hours, meaning that the season 2 premiere would still have been May 12. Then, in Momentum Deferred, Olivia mentioned that the accident and the incident with the shapeshifter trying to kill her was 6 weeks ago – meaning the show would have only been up to the end of June when shapeshifter Charlie died. So there’s quite a discrepancy there. Kind of frustrating, but I guess I’m willing to overlook it and just accept it for what it is.

    Glyphs: Another thing I enjoy looking for in each episode are appearances of the glyphs. You brought up the appearance of an apple in this episode. I also noticed that when Peter and Walter were moving in to their new place, they had a butterfly display hanging up in one of the rooms.

    Notepad: When Olivia went to write down the letters from the business cards, she flipped through her note pad, and I noticed there were some brief glimpses of pages where the child from Inner Child had written his clues. Sure, so they were just reusing props, but I personally found it to show consistency and thought it was a fun shout out to a prior episode when we last saw that being used.

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    • says

      Thanks for your feedback mlj!

      Number 47: You mentioned that 47 had only appeared in three episodes so far, but from what I can see, it has shown up in every episode except for Night of Desirable Objects, making it 4 episodes. You mentioned the appearance in the premiere, where the evidence marker showed number 47. In Fracture, Walter mentioned that he’d “stopped counting at 47 needle marks”. In Momentum Deferred we had another reference when Walter mentioned that the shapeshifter’s blood “was 47% mercury”. And you also mentioned the appearance in this episode with yet another evidence marker. It’s been fun looking for those mentions and I agree that they sure seem to be emphasizing it a lot lately.

      Good point, for some reason I was thinking of the visual references whilst compiling these observations, but of course 47 has been mentioned verbally in 2.03 and 2.05.

      Real Time: I liked the reference and clarification from Charlie’s grave stone, but it was somewhat of a plot hole, too. In the season 1 finale, the newspaper on Bell’s desk was dated the same day the episode aired (May 12, I believe). We’re told that Olivia was only gone for a few hours, meaning that the season 2 premiere would still have been May 12. Then, in Momentum Deferred, Olivia mentioned that the accident and the incident with the shapeshifter trying to kill her was 6 weeks ago – meaning the show would have only been up to the end of June when shapeshifter Charlie died. So there’s quite a discrepancy there. Kind of frustrating, but I guess I’m willing to overlook it and just accept it for what it is.

      Great spot, thanks for pointing this out (although I’m sure the writers wouldn’t thank you for revealing another plot-hole! :P )

      Notepad: When Olivia went to write down the letters from the business cards, she flipped through her note pad, and I noticed there were some brief glimpses of pages where the child from Inner Child had written his clues. Sure, so they were just reusing props, but I personally found it to show consistency and thought it was a fun shout out to a prior episode when we last saw that being used.

      Nice – especially since the episode had other callbacks to Inner Child and thematically resembled it. I speculated in my review how similar the two episodes seemed, now that seals it for me. I’ll add this observation to the post tomorrow, when I have a bit more time. Thanks!

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  5. Pedro says

    Not the best “story line” but I thought the references to the mythos storyline were good.

    One thought. Didthe mantra stopped Peter from dreaming or did Walter some how steal/stop his dreams and the mantra is window dressing?

    In the episode Peter mentions that one of the patients had no dreams for six weeks. Walter said they were stolen before they got to him. Then he says something about the feeling of taking dreams I believe he says “you have know idea” how good it feels.

    I am thinking that Walter knows how to stop someone from dreaming, but the mantra seems a little weak as an explanation.

    I thought this episode was slightly better than the “Mole Man’s Daddy” episode. It still was weaker than the mythos episodes. They need to pick it up, fracture needs to be the baseline for stand alones.

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  6. Jeffro says

    There are 22 card in the The Major Arcana in Tarot. Which constitute The Fool’’s Journey — a profound, philosophical tale.

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  7. Helen says

    Thanx for the interpretations as usual i couldn’t help notice the significance of the dates/Numbers on Charlie’s Tombstone the use of yet again “8″ and “22″ as used previously in the episode on the Taxi cab. More references to Infinity as you said, maybe linking to the fact Charlie’s llife has come full circle in birth (22nd) and death (8th) or maybe a link to the Charlie in the paralell universe the fact that we haven’t seen the last of him yet or his importance in Fringe- universe.

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  8. says

    Fantastic spot Helen, it certainly adds more weight to the infinity angle. Thanks for pointing this out – I’ll add the gravestone reference of “8″ and “22″ to the post tomorrow.

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  9. Jeff says

    The number 8 is a Fibonacci number, being 3 plus 5. The next Fibonacci number is 13. 8 is the only Fibonacci number that is a perfect cube.

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  10. Grasping for straws says

    Odin rode an eight legged horse, Sleipnir. Odin is often called a wanderer. Kinda reminded me of Peter

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  11. C W in Portland, OR says

    Here’s an amusing clue wrapped in a pun disguised as a cliche in the script of “Dream Logic” that I noticed when watching it for the second time in two days. It occurs After Olivia, Peter and Dr. Nayak discover the break-in, damage and theft in the doctor’s office, and Olivia has asked him for his business card. Describing the doctor’s state of mind, Olivia says to Peter, “Well, [he's] beside himself.”

    Did you, Roco, or anyone else who happens to have watched this episode more than once, notice that?

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    • says

      Very nice catch, C W!

      I cringed at how cliched the line was, but didn’t spot the pun. It’s good to know that the writers are even sneakier than I thought. Thanks for sharing.

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  12. says

    Very interesting and insightful! Some of these I had noticed, many I had not! I love how you can get so deep into this series. It keeps the mind working instead of just mindlessly watching the screen.

    One thing I noticed in reference to this…

    There seemed to be a few references to water in this episode. We had Walter talking about being in the belly of a whale – possible Pinocchio reference,…

    It made me think of the biblical Jonah & the Whale story. With other biblical references in the show in the past, it might also tie in that way.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jonah

    Jews, Christians, & Muslims all have their version of this, & it can be traced back to a similar story about Gigamesh.

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  13. ShawnVW says

    Remember the coroner – the one Olivia got a business card from because he wore a red tie? He had a chip in his head.

    The name on that business card, “Shayne Wilson”, also appeared on Dr. Nayak’s hand-written list of patients!

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    • C W in Portland, OR says

      Shawn,
      Excellent close-detail observation! I wonder if you might be particularly disposed to have noticed this because your User Name shares the initials, “SW,” as well as most of the first-name letters (even the same first three letters and the fifth letter in the same position, with the character.

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      • ShawnVW says

        Thanks, CW. I didn’t want to mention it, but actually my last name shares ALL its letters the character’s last name.

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  14. jkyarr says

    Hi guys! Just wanted to let you know how sorry I am to have missed commenting on the last couple of episodes! My son got swine flu and my grandmother died a week apart from each other so i’ve been attending to family matters and haven’t been able to achieve my usual level of participation (aka geekdom). I’ll be back in the swing of things by next episode!

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  15. Jasmine says

    a little late in watching this episode…but I know why Walter would not enter the room. I saw immediately and it was quite obvious to me, the way they had the man shackled down. They were unorthodox for regular hospitals and instead seemed very much like those that could have been used at St. Clares. But how could he explain that? So, he used the excuse of wet. JMO…

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  16. Karen says

    I know it’s late but we only just got the ep in Australia. I wanted to point out the picture behind Olivia and Peter in Dr Nayaks office. She had her fingers in the same pose as Peter when he explained his ‘please don’t dream tonight’ mantra

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