FRINGE: Looking More ‘Positive’ For 13-Episode Final Season Pickup (Reports)

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According to the latest rumors, Fringe Season 5 renewal odds have strengthened this week.

Our partner site Seriable has the latest (via EW):

According to Entertainment Weekly, Fringe was “doomed” until this week. That was before the 2-hour Alcatraz finale dipped to season-low ratings (1.6/1.5):

“We’ve been hearing Fringe was doomed — until this week. There’s renewed hope for a 13-episode “final season” pickup thanks to the modest performance of Alcatraz.”

In addition, this week’s Fringe ratings uptick (from a series low 0.9 to a 1.2, matching Friday rival Grimm in the key 18-49 demo), can’t hurt the cause. Word is the show’s renewal chances have flipped now from ‘negative to positive’ [..].

Note: Nothing is guaranteed at this stage. Consider this a rumor update.

Source: EW | Seriable

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    • mesa says

      Odd, I thought it was already looking decent for a renewal. I watched all of Alcatraz, it has nothing on Fringe (even with this terrible S4). If it’s down to those 2, no doubt they will choose Fringe.

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      • matt says

        first of all, dude, S4 is great! come on! its FRINGE back to its roots! what could be better than a show actually addressing the questions they posed?

        and secondly: HOORAY FOR FRINGE! ANYTHING FOR MORE FRINGE but why does a show like GRIMM or any of the other trash on tv get to live while Alcatraz (potentially, hopefully not) has to die? where is tv justice?!?! AAHHH! LONG LIVE FRINGE ALCATRAZ TERRA NOVA and all the other good shows who’s greatness is being contested by plastic pedestrian cr*p!

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        • mesa says

          The whole everyone besides peter not being themselves is really off-putting for me, especially when it takes a whole season to get back to where we were before. Just not a fan, I like forward-moving stories. Same reason I hated the flash-sideways in S6 Lost. This season to me has been poorly executed filler, yet I constantly see praise online. Why do people seem to love it so much? I’m genuinely curious, maybe it will help me enjoy the season in retrospect.

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          • megan says

            I know how you feel Mesa…I’m not feeling this season either. I still love Fringe but it’s just not the same:( Sometimes when I read blogs I feel like there’s something wrong with me for not praising this season!

            Either way, I’d be happy for a S5 pickup of 13 episodes. Especially if the majority of them are straight mythology

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          • mlj102 says

            “Why do people seem to love it so much? I’m genuinely curious, maybe it will help me enjoy the season in retrospect.”

            Well, the answer to this question will differ, depending on who you ask, but I’m willing to share my opinion on this season. First off, let me say that while I have enjoyed this season, I don’t consider it to be the best season. There have been things I have found irritating or frustrating. But there have also been things that I have really enjoyed. Here are just a couple of the things that I have found rewarding about this season:

            Characters: I know a lot of people feel like this season up to this point has been wasted because we’ve only barely managed to get back to the same point we were at by the end of last season. While I acknowledge that point of view, I don’t think it’s true. I can see how it may feel like nothing is moving forward, but I think that’s very much an illusion caused by the story they’ve been telling. No offense to anyone who views the season in that way, but I think claiming that this season hasn’t accomplished anything is missing the whole point. More than anything, this whole season has been a significant journey for all of our characters and, consequently, there has been a great deal of character development. And I have loved to see that. I think it’s really neat to go back and watch the first episodes of the season and see how different the characters were. Walter was particularly different. Yet over the course of the season, as Peter has reintegrated into the group, Walter has gradually returned to essentially the character he was. And I think it’s brilliant the way they made that happen, almost imperceptibly, from one episode to the next. The same could be said of Olivia. She has had an incredible journey of evaluating herself and the person she is and the person she wants to be. Dealing with her unfamiliar memories, coming to terms with her feelings for Peter, not to mention being dosed with Cortexiphan and activating her abilities, have all been significant moments that have affected her as a person. Then there’s Peter. This has been a huge season for him as he found himself in a world where no one knew who he was. Rebuilding those relationships that meant so much to him has strengthened his character. And by reintegrating himself here, he has managed to really find a place where he belongs. And hasn’t that been Peter’s journey all along? The same could be said for the other characters, as we’ve learned more about Nina, the alternates, Jones, the observers, and more. I have loved seeing how these experiences have influenced our characters.

            Themes: One of my favorite things about Fringe is the themes they emphasize in the episodes. I feel like these themes are part of what makes Fringe so unique and so meaningful to me. I have loved watching them explore themes like identity, love, and others. This whole season was founded on the idea of the impact one person has. By erasing Peter, they were able to explore the idea of what life would be like if someone you knew well no longer existed. How are things the same? How are they different? Why? I was personally fascinated to see the lives our characters had without Peter. I didn’t mind exploring this new timeline because it developed that theme.

            Connections: This season has had a lot of references back to previous seasons, and I love that. I love discovering that something that seemed like a trivial detail from Season 1 actually came back to play a much more meaningful role. I have enjoyed finding connections with Season 1 characters, cases, and ideas. The observers have felt like they’ve taken on a more prominent role and I have enjoyed learning more about them and the answers they’ve revealed have been significant to me. I love when they reference previous cases and making those connections with what is now happening.

            All considered, there have been some really great things about this season. It hasn’t been perfect, but I wouldn’t consider it a disappointment or a failure, either. It has continued to do what Fringe does best in developing the characters, telling stories with purpose and meaningful themes, and connecting episodes throughout the series together. And I’m excited to see what the end of the season brings.

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            • starg8fans says

              I’m not on any social networks, so I have to tell you like this how much I ‘Like’ what you said. Excellent, succinct description, my thoughts and feelings about this season exactly. What I admire so much about this show is the risks it takes, changing the score and even re-inventing itself. I can understand that it may frustrate some people, but I enjoy it a lot.

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            • matt says

              I’ve found some things frustrating/irritating too (there are some contrivances and things that now seem like they wont add up quite right which I dont like very much considering how smart the show can be – though we have yet to see the ending so I could be wrong about them not adding up, maybe we just cant see how they do yet), but it’s mild irritation at this point, it could be worse: it could be LOST grade irritation (as mesa you pointed out).

              And I agree with you (mesa) about moving the story forward and this is just that if you look at it right. They’re moving the mythology forward now by addressing the big questions and answering them as far back as the first season. how else could they go/what other story direction would be forward?

              what I really don’t understand is how you can call this season filler! a lot of season 3 was literally filler in so many ways (and so were parts of season 2 in my opinion) & it must have been in the writer’s minds too because (not only did they say outright that we have a beginning and an ending for sure and then multiple chapters that we can tell, or not, for in between depending on how many seasons the show runs for, aka what season 2/3 were, but) this season they literally skip over much of S2&3, using the altered timeline go back to season 1 (and things in it which they could not have addressed directly otherwise like jones etc) and address the questions that at least I’ve had since the beginning – all the way back to the prequel comic not just the first season.

              Though I love the last few episodes and the first one, I thought this season was going to be filler as well for a while based on episode two until pretty much the end of all things, but now (starting with end of all things) that the writers know they have to start wrapping it up since it would seem that at most they get another 13 eps next season (sob sob, noooo!) they are giving each episode SERIOUS mythology injections. how can that be filler? they addressed the beacon, the pattern cases, jones, the observers, peter’s back story, olivia’s cortexiphanity, etc?

              I genuinely hope that helps you to enjoy the season to the full extent of the law (the fringe of the law if you will, if that even makes sense) or at least get where I’m coming from/why it’s ringin my bell so far.

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              • matt says

                ad for clarity’s sake by Peter’s back story I meant his universe hopping/biologically linked to a machine one possibly future or time travelling “back story”, not big eddie haha

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                • matt says

                  and also directed to mesa:

                  for the record, the everybody but peter not being who we know thing was off putting for me as well and still is in a lot of ways BUT I’m hoping that in addition to everyone already acting more like their season 1 selves than ever lately (which in season 1 was also basically a life without peter until the story began since that’s when he meets them all, even re-meets walter, and olivia if the childhood meeting really counts) and as september put it are actually those selves we miss, the writers will bring it full circle back to season 1 as many have suggested (on which I have my own little theory which I wont let out of the bag quite yet) or at least explain/justify it so it makes sense.

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            • mesa says

              Thanks for all the replies. You bring up some great points about the characters, themes, and connections to previous seasons. What didn’t strike me was how flawlessly Walter has changed over the course of the season, so I appreciate that being brought to my attention.

              Fringe definitely touches upon some great things, but what makes me not have full enjoyment is the way they do it. It’s not like BSG where issues are raised and dealt with realistically – in Fringe the theme is usually per episode and thrown in our faces.

              I certainly have enjoyed the connections they have made to previous seasons (moreso the latest few episodes) but it still doesn’t compare to full fledged mythology progression in my opinion. Fringe was great during the 2nd half of S1, S2, first half of S3, and end of S3 – it addressed these character issues, themes, and plot at the same time. The episodes that do not fall in that period weren’t liked as much because one of the 3 important sides was missed. In Season 4 , the pacing has changed dramatically, becoming introspective and dealing only with the characters. Only the last few episodes have really moved the ‘current’ plot forward, and that is my problem. I don’t mind revisiting the shows history or having character reevaluations, but plot must be involved for my full enjoyment, which most of the season has lacked.

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        • Ben says

          I don’t really begrudge Grimm its sort-of success. My guess is that people who are interested in both it and Fringe were already time-delay watching the latter, so it’s not hurting the cause.

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      • megan says

        I guess it’s because it’s a business and 22 episodes are more expensive than 13!

        I’m just happy it’s even seriously being considered for a 5th season!

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    • Robert Ariadne says

      Think of it this way: If they were to spread the budget for a 22 episode season across 13 episodes instead, then we would get 13 mini movies.

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  1. feno says

    or 13 episodes + 2 hours final episode!!,I meant is the last season!!!

    please fox!!! please fox!!! please fox!!!

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  2. Ian S. says

    To be honest, I thought they had pretty good chances of a fifth season before as well. I mean, we haven’t heard anything from Fox yet since January, which means they’ve been in talks since. If Fringe was going to get cancelled without a good fight, it would have been cancelled already. Fox wants this show, it’s just expensive to produce. A final, 13 episode season makes sense, with a lower budget than season 4, which would mean that each episode in season 5 would have a significantly higher budget then past seasons, therefore giving the showrunners plenty of space to finish the show. This just makes the most sense to me, more-so than cancellation.

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  3. lafra08 says

    Hmm actually I still hope for season 5 as NOT a final season with 22 episodes !its Fringe imagine the impossibilities!this must be!I really want to get to know all the stories the producers want to tell!

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  4. FringeCharacter says

    I like the stories FRINGE tells through character development, intrigue, and imagination. I like that it requires active viewing to catch all the details. It is the only show that I re-watch.

    I would rather have a full season of good storytelling instead of a bullet list of answers to posed questions. I want answers, too — just not on an index card.

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  5. Davro uk says

    If I was FOX I would look at it this way, on one hand we could throw a huge amount of cash at another ‘BIG’ show in the hope it catches on keeping fans and advertisers happy. On the other hand (for the time being at least) go with what we know and that is… Fringe does not get the huge viewing figures but does have some reliability in viewing figures. They cannot create a new show in such a short amount of time and expect people to be interested, people know a half cut effort. That’s why they should give Fringe a full final season and whilst thats happening really take time to choose or create a show that will take the place of Fringe. My biggest worry is that shows like Fringe that invite the viewer to open there minds to new thoughts and possibilities will become few and far between and what will be left is a pile of generic (un)reality tv shows. I would also wonder how we had got it so wrong with some of the bigger budget shows and what keeps us fringes coming back for more. Long live Fringe…. p.s – its nearly 2am over here, I’ve just read that back and it makes no sense lol. Sorry guys, i’m so tired.

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  6. David says

    Its better the devil you know, then the devil you don’t in regards of Fox’s decision to renew fringe or not.
    At least the Network knows that they will attract around 3 million viewers a week, now i know these figures aren’t great, but at least they’re consistent. so to give Fringe even a partial fifth season would be like Fox and WB repaying those Fans for their loyalty to the Show of a Friday night.
    To replace Fringe with a another or new program at this time would have Fox starting from Scratch to find the same consistent audience that Fringes has gathered.
    So again its better the Devil you know then the Devil you don’t
    PS I’M A HUGE FRING FAN HERE’S TO AT LEAST A PARTIAL FIFTH SEASON

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    • DeepRunner says

      It would be good, also, to move it to a different night. That could increase live-time viewership and get more respectable numbers as it finishes what has been an incredible run for hwat is, IMO, one of the 2 or 3 best sci-fi series ever.

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  7. DeepRunner says

    If there is a season 5, and this makes it sound more likely than not, here are some issues that I would like to see FRINGE resolve:

    * What caused Peter to forget remembering meeting Olivia, and vice versa?

    * What is the relationship of Walter to Nina?

    * Tell us more about Olivia’s real dad vs. her step-dad.

    * Who was Tessa (Implied love interest for Peter in Season 1)?

    * What is Broyles’ backstory?

    * Give us more insight into Sanford Harris and Olivia (do a flashback episode)

    * Do P/O get married?

    * How did DRJ become so sinister?

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    • JM says

      Sorry to burst your bubble mate but im just being realistic:
      - Wyman and Pinkner have said explained them not remembering their first meeting as “we dont remember everything we did as kids either” (so that wont happen)
      - That may well be explained and they may enter a relationship, who knows?
      - I also think that is likely (maybe its DRJ!? :O)
      - They are never going to explore peters backstory, they have said that and they regretted putting her in the first season if i remember correctly
      -Wont happen, atleast not primeverse, they may explain altverses because of his collaboration with DRJ, but i doubt it
      -They will never do a flashback with sanford harris
      -That will be implied that they are going to at the end of the show, olivia will be pregnant with henry etc. (guessing)
      -I think that will be explained aswell, and will be very interesting

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      • sajib says

        I thought they had already explained why Jones was sinister. If you think back towards the season one episode The Road Not Taken, Nina explained that Jones was a former Massive Dynamic who looked upto William Bell as a father figure and made it a point to try to prove to him that he was ‘special’. However Bell didnt see anything to suggest that and Jones was promptly let go. Spurred on by this rejection, all this destruction and chaos he has been causing has been a way to prove something to Bell.

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          • sajib says

            Haha no worries mate. I’m also wondering that if this was in fact a personal matter for Jones and he did kill Bell in this timelime, then what was the motivation for him to have this larger agenda that we’re witnessing now? At one point did he make this transition?

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            • matt says

              I hope they dont regret peter’s back story, it only needed to be as deep as it was for it to do it’s job of telling us what type of person peter was/is and it did a great job of that. I personally liked the way it was done a lot. it tells us he was kinda shady and clever and mixed up with the wrong crowd. no reason to re address it. peter hadn;t seen those people for years when we were introduced to em in season 1 and they have nothing to do with the core of fringe so why go back to them? they already served their purpose beautifully. whatshername tells us peter was a passionate loving person underneath his cool veneer, big eddy tells us he was mixed up in a shady crowd, book store markham (spelling?) tells us he is intellectual, and the scene where we see him in Iraq/him telling us he was nomadic tells us about how he’s spent his life up until now. leave it at that. no?

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              • DeepRunner says

                These are questions that _I_ would like to see answered. Not saying they need to, just loose threads (some mnor, some not so). As far as Jones goes, he had to be a bit…um…eccentric prior to being “rejected” by Bell. Hyperzealots and fanatics have something of a character issue.

                I don’t remember everything I did as a kid, but to have X-number of years dumped down the memory hole, including such things as burning out a room (which appears to have happened twice [think of the different explanations in Jacksonville and Subject 13]), makes me curious. Did Walter or William Bell administer some sort of Cortexiphan antidote that had the side effect of blocking out memories? In seasons 1 and 2, each of the Cortexiphan kids talked about meeting some man who “woke them up” and told them they had been part of a drug trial when they were children. I am just curious how they all forgot, including Olivia.

                Anyway, however they wrap up the series will be fine with me. :)

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    • Robert Ariadne says

      Okay, let me take a crack at these:
      1. They were small children at the time. It would be easy for them to forget.
      2. Probably as an ex-lover.
      3. That’s something we will probably find out in the near-future.
      4. Who on earth is Tessa? I REALLY don’t think the writers will go back to such an inconsequential plotline.
      5. We’ve already had not one, but TWO Broyles episodes. How many do you want?
      6. They’ve explained Sanford Harris’ past enough. If we get another flashback episode, we should see Walter’s incarceration in St. Claire’s.
      7. Yes.
      8. I think we’ll see the answer to this.
      7.

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  8. JM says

    If fringe was “doomed” before the alcatraz thing, wyman and pinkner have been once again talking out their asses as they said it was a 70% chance of renewal at wondercon…..

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  9. Anita says

    Any positive news is great to hear, regardless of rumour, speculation or not. Educated speculation headed in a positive direction is good enough or me! :D

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  10. Geoff says

    I don’t like to take comfort in someone else’s misfortune, but I’m willing to make an exception in this one case.

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  11. Fading-Dream says

    All I hope is that it’s ALL mythology/an overall, filler free arc. Season 3 was phenomenal in this regard. While there have been some amazing episodes this season, there has been so much filler.

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  12. AC says

    I agree with Ian that Fringe is expensive to produce. A final, 13-episode season does make more sense, with a lower budget than previous seasons. A full 22-episode season would be possible if it is not expensive to produce.

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