FRINGE: John Noble Delivers BOOM-BOOM-MACHINE Warning


For the past few weeks we’ve been counting down to “6:02 AM EST” – the beginning of what could very well be the end of the characters and worlds we’ve journeyed with for almost three seasons.

But when the dust settles and the smoke monster clears, what – if anything – will be left?

In an interview with Fox All Access, John Noble tries to tease without spoiling too much. Check out the video interview after the jump. (contains some BBM spoiler elements).

Updated with alternative player:

via: Fox All Access

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  1. Josh says

    I think it’s safe to discuss what John Noble said here.

    Do we really think this is the last of Peter? It’s been hinted my the showrunners we are going to be saying goodbye to somebody, do you really think we are saying a final goodbye to Peter? I really don’t get it. The story line certainly hints toward it, but other things certainly do not.

    I’m still amazed by Fringe but I’m disappointed how poorly planned it seems a lot of it has been. There are so many major points they chose not to develop, and instead tried to fulfill every contrived syfy aspect: Time travel, no death, teleportation, alternate universes, ENOUGH! The show’s called Fringe for god’s sake, they should have called it “Impossible Science”. If nothing else it shows that the show, and all of season one, went well and had direction. Since it’s been turned over to Wyman et al., it’s really lost focus and become a bit contrived and stretched.

    I still like the show but I wish they would finish story lines they’ve already opened and then didn’t develop instead of opening ten more.

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    • Surun Tunne says

      wyman and pinker always said that they had a plan from he very beginning, and I’m sure, many story lines will be finished sooner or later!

      and i think the show got better every season!

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    • Walternate says

      Well that’s your opinion, but it doesn’t seem like they’ve lost direction or focus at all. In fact it seems a lot better than just those random cases they had in season 1. As for your little rant on the title and the topics they have been dealing with recently, the definition of Fringe science is – Fringe science is scientific inquiry in an established field of study that departs significantly from mainstream or orthodox theories, and is classified in the “fringes” of a credible mainstream academic discipline. Mainstream scientists typically regard fringe concepts as highly speculative or even strongly refuted. ‘Highly speculative or even strongly refuted’ seems a lot like this ‘impossible science.’ Stop complaining and enjoy the show. Questions are going to be answered and more are going to be asked. That’s how you keep a show alive. Also, we’re only in season 3. I’m sure if the majority of questions asked will be eventually be presented with answers.

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    • Nick says

      Well, it wouldnt be a “Bad Robot” if there wasn’t division amongst people who think either A) they have too many plot points going and wont possibly answer them all or B) its the greatest show ever. We’ve been there before:)

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        • Josh says

          Look folks, I don’t see what you’re missing here. The number one thing you all want is to keep watching the show. Yet for two years, Fox has renewed Fringe and its been a toss-up. Frankly there are a lot of people that think Fox was idiotic in the renew for next season. Why? Because people started leaving the show when it became impossible to follow. It became impossible to follow the first few episodes of Season Two when “Fringe” science – which was already really cool – became impossible for average people to follow.

          You want to take it as me knocking the show, fine. But frankly, I’d like to see some people actually watch Fringe. This show had 12 million viewers once upon a time. Now we can’t even eak out 4. DVR, DVD, whatever, you need people watching the live show! And they are gone because the show went too far. Fringe could and should be where Bones is right now, which pulls great numbers. But it’s not, it’s HANGING BY A THREAD, that thread likely a huge discount from WB. Charlie, who you all desperately miss from our side, was a write-off because the actor was too expensive. They have to voice-over Nimoy because he’s too expensive.

          If you want to see Fringe season 6 and season 7, 8, whatever, you have GOT to get people to watch the live show. Say what you want about Lost and whatever, JJ Abrams is not untouchable, i.e. Undercovers. The ratings continue to dip weekly, look at the live numbers, and Fringe is going to be pulling 1.0s next season unless they bring the series back to mainstream.

          Call it a rant folks but I’d like to watch Fringe and not wonder if it’s constantly a threat for cancellation. We are going the way of budget cuts, loosing actors, and eventual cancelation.

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          • Josh says

            Just a couple of quick things that the former Fringies I know and I have talked about, as far as loose ends never. These are going back.
            -Child observer. That was only confirmed by Wymen and crew in an INTERVIEW. Most Fringies are not watching every interview on the show. You all remember the line “We’ve found another one.” Nothing was developed.
            -This season, at the end of an episode, you get September saying “He is still alive.” Who? What? Why?
            -S1 – Rogue Observer, again, confirmed in an interview not on TV. Nothing more about him.
            -S1 – Olivia’s “ability” when she turned the lights on and passed Jones’ test. We never really understood that whole deal.
            -S1 – Hell, the whole “pattern” and the ZFT. People feel like that was totally just dropped.
            -DRJ ~ Shapeshifter’s brains are in their body, in their back. But they had to find the guy’s head? Why?
            -S1 The arrival ~ We have had three seasons pass and not a word about the capsule.

            And finally, the observers. This has been hanging over our heads for three seasons. People do not get them, and my favorite complaint, “You expect me to believe they follow Olivia around, there was a whole episode about the FBI looking for them, and the team never sees them.”

            This is just a brief list from my Friends. We used to watch Fringe together every week, religiously. I’m the only one that’s kept up, everybody else dwindled off like the rest of the viewer base.

            And finally, stop complaining to me. I still watch the show. Those questions are from people who no longer watch and have orders in to let them know if any of that happens. So when they ask for updates, I get to tell them there was a cartoon episode, the Olivias are preggers, and our Olivia talking like William Bell. People are LAUGHING at the series! Producers, GET A CLUE!!!

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            • Nick says

              No one ever really said JJ Abrams was untouchable, or that all his shows are great. Undercovers tanked, because it was terrible. JJ is at his best, when he creates highly serialized programs IMHO. Lost ONLY had 6 years because they negotiated an end date, in season 3. Which half of its fan base is grateful for, because they loved it. The other half, ended up hating the show because of the finale, and the way it left threads hanging. Now personally, I’m in the camp that Lost WAS the best TV show ever made, because it did drag things out and wasn’t Law and Order. That said, JH Wyman and Jeff Pinker have an opportunity to take what Lindelof and Cuse didn’t do, and NOT leave threads hanging. I will agree, that for a show that does NOT have a negotiated end date, they are very…optimistic about it. Perhaps almost to the point of being careless. Had Fox not renewed it for season 4, it would have ended in three weeks, and would have died off. But if given the chance, I dont think they will leave threads hanging. Like life, I’m sure TV show creation is a learning experience and one, that given the chance, will only get better. Fringe and Bones are really at opposite ends of the spectrum. I dont watch Bones, but from the previews, it doesnt pretend to be an ongoing story like Fringe/Lost, or even Justified or any other serialized show out there. Bones is another Law and Order or CSI.

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              • Nick says

                But I do get what your saying..and those things are a concern. I didnt take it that you were wrong in your thoughts.

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            • Still Real1 ! says

              i like what you are saying , but still i have faith in the writers , that there is a story line still there , they maybe didn’t take a right direction but still Fringe is much better than any show over here IMO .

              yes a lot of questions and yes some fans did left , and i think that’s because sometimes the writers were taking the story too far which let some of the fans un-patient , as what did happen in s3 , the fans were wanting Olivia to be back and not used to see the alt-episode , some of them where saying they can warped all the alt ep in 2 and let Olivia and our team back together again .

              I think by now .. the show should be clear about it characters and the story line .. no to repeat any thing but it doesn’t mean to sacrifice the characters just to have a drama .

              And the therm of surprise isn’t working for this kind of show , people aren’t yet sure where the characters and the story is stand .. i mean .. they must do something to let the people in not out from the show ,

              Am still watching .. and i will watch till the end and see what’s will happen next .

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            • Dylan says

              Wasn’t it explained that the cortexiphan was responsible for the lights turning off? Any one of the subjects could do it.

              “He is still alive” – ‘Firefly’ pretty much points that to Peter. It’s not confirmed, but that’s all we’ve got to reach a conclusion.

              The “Pattern” and ZFT just weren’t focused on independently as much, now it’s the pattern and ZFT according to Over There. I understand though, you’d think the characters would be poking into the ZFT a bit more…

              why you need the head for the body? is that even a question? why did they think? it has nothing to do with the multiple brains.

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            • Darth Kate says

              The pattern hasn’t been mentioned since season one because it’s over. Jones, the leader of zft, is dead. he was causing the pattern and trying to reach the other side in an attempt to get william bell’s attention.

              olivia could deactivate the lights because she was treated with cortexiphan. she’s slowly re activating. It happened again in 3×02 when her hearing suddenly intensified for a short time. she’s slowly coming more and more into her abilities.

              shapeshifters have “brains” in their heads AND lower spine. Theres the primary one in the head and the secondary in the spine. They had newton’s body already and needed the head to have the complete neural network.

              The capsule came up again in brown betty and is obviously connected to the observers some how. I’m definitely betting on later significance

              and i don’t remember there being a rogue observer in season one

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          • says

            Josh, sorry to read that you have become such a jaded Fringe viewer. I enjoy Fringe for its originality, boldness, cleverness, inventiveness, creative spirit, and more.

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            • Josh says

              Betty, I wish you’d actually read what I wrote. I’m talking about things that people are complaining about that don’t watch anymore. I still watch the show. They don’t. Frankly I’m tired of trying to make a point on here. I’ve been on the “Please stop going this direction because we are going to kill viewer numbers,” since early Season 2. The writers and producers have shown zero respect for their viewers, and their viewers have responded by leaving. 75-80% of their former viewers are gone. Finally Roco came up with a great “cringe” headline today and that’s how a lot of people feel.

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              • Count Screwloose says

                So you’ve been enduring a show you feel has been moving in a misguided direction for 2 seasons? I think I might have started looking for something else to do.

                P.S. Regarding the writers and producers not taking your advice over the last two years? I think they may be trying to tell
                you something.

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  2. Nick says

    One more thought…sorry! Its only because Fringe is on a network, that ratings are even a concern. Breaking Bad’s third season premiere broke records for it, and got 2 million viewers. 2 million! Fringe is getting 4! Both are considered among TV’s best. If Fringe was on a cable network, and was still getting 4 million viewers, it would be considered a complete and utter phenomenon. That nothing to laugh at. Personally I think not only JJ, but anyone considering putting highly serialized shows on the networks should shop their shows around to cable networks. We’d all have better chances of getting our cake and eating it too. Lost was lucky. But I dont think that kind of deal will ever be reached again on CBS/NBC/ABC or FOX. Mad Men, which just recently got a multiyear deal, sure and heck wouldnt have on those channels.

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    • Josh says

      Hey the “cheap” cable show isn’t something I hate on. Personally, I love White Collar on USA. Why? Because you can watch it as a procedural, BUT, there is also a deeper story. But it also had no-name actors and is downright CHEAP to produce because it was designed to use a couple simple sets, then do some cool stuff on location. Fringe S1 was just that, you could watch the shows out of order and still appreciate the monster of the week. People loved that and it got huge ratings. We here on the boards LOVE the plot-only episodes. But they turn off casual viewers! You cannot watch seasons 2&3 of Fringe out of order and appreciate the procedural like you could in S1, which had far better ratings.

      Unfortunately Fringe is not on USA, Syfy, or TNT. Fox is a major network and Fringe is going to need ratings that are above the cable networks. Just think of the effort that goes into a Fringe episode, the actors, filming, post-production, sets, special effect, etc. Then consider it’s getting a 1.4 in the demo and dropping. Take a show like Pawn Starts which usually pulls in the high 2′s. They have to pay one guy to stand there with a camera, and then mesh together really easy footage with some feel good music and a couple idiotic quotes from Chumlee. And it gets almost double the viewership.

      I’m really grateful it got renewed. But they can always cut the order to 10-13 episodes too. If this thing is pulling 1.0s next year with no Joshua Jackson, Ella the secretary of defense in a fourth universe, anna torv shaving her head and eyebrows, carrying a briefcase and wearing a top hat, and Charlie and Lincoln adopting a child into their gay relationship, fox is going to have to do something.

      And if you got nothing from my post, at least let the image of the beautiful Anna Torv dressed as October the Observer, taking a drink, which would obviously be one part whiskey, one part hot sauce, one part hilariousness.

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  3. Count Screwloose says

    My two cents, for what it’s worth:

    I really don’t understand why anyone would be unhappy with the show at this point, and I’m speaking as someone who thought at the time that the end of Season Two was redundant and unimaginative.

    Does anyone really want FRINGE to still be what it was during its awkward first season? I certainly don’t. Does anyone still want it to be another CSI or Bones for the sake of another 10 million viewers? God knows I don’t.

    Why? Because I would much, much rather watch no show at all than another carbon-copy clone program that sells itself for ad space. That’s right. I’d rather they killed FRINGE stone dead in its tracks than have it give me something any other program can give me. Make sense?

    FRINGE is a special show. It may not have started out that way completely, but sometimes things fall into place in such an unpredictable way that you look up and find that some magic has happened, whether you intended it or not. In this case, it happened. It’s a special show.

    It’s because of the actors and the writers and the palpable sense that this is a show that enjoys taking risks and going places other shows wouldn’t go and, in fact, wouldn’t see the point of going. Maybe it wasn’t always: I haven’t always walked away from the screen feeling like I’d gotten what I came for. But it didn’t matter – more and more, what it DID give me was much more important than what I thought I wanted anyway.

    Look around you: not just at television, but everywhere. We live in a world that is so desperate for substance and lacking in originality that when something the least little bit different or interesting comes along, it faces a huge uphill battle for survival. I’m sick and tired of that world, a world that measures success in ratings and points and money and familiarity.

    I loved FRINGE from the beginning, with reservations and bumps along the way. But with every succeeding sesaon, I’ve been astonished at where it’s had the guts to go and where it dared its audience to follow. Now more than ever, FRINGE is the show I wanted it to be. I am completely – and I mean completely – shocked that it was renewed. I didn’t think miracles like that happened anymore.

    But FRINGE has a little bit of magic in it. Magic is rare and I wouldn’t trade it for all the viewers in the world, or a pair of David Caruso’s sunglasses.

    Bring on the bald Anna Torv.

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    • Josh says

      This is also fantasy land. TV shows are only on TV to make money. FOX is in business to make money. Fringe has committed plot and ratings suicide by walking the plank to your wildest SYFY fantasies. If they want to go this route, make it a movie.

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      • Count Screwloose says

        In actual fact, the show is receiving the most passionate acclaim it has ever received, from critics and viewers alike. If that’s “suicide,” I
        think a lot of shows would like to figure out how to commit it.

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    • Anne from France (in Vancouver ;) ) says

      You put the very right words on what I thought reading Josh’s posts! Thanks for that.
      Why should we sacrifice cleverness and originality to high ratings? I’m the first to ask for people to watch the show and for good ratings. But for nothing in the world I’d like to see Fringe becoming a nth CSI. If people are too lazy to put on their brain, too bad for them, they miss a phenomenon. And seriously, Fringe may be a complex show, but certainly not a complicated one (Lost was far more complicated to follow imo). So yes, you have to watch every episode to understand the deep storyline and to really “savour” the whole show, but when you love something, I’m not sure it is a problem. Unfortunately, nowadays people are just zappers and can’t concentrate in the long term, they want everything straight away. Don’t blame the damn good writers for this! And don’t ask them to change this!

      Just concentrate and watch again ;)

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      • Count Screwloose says

        With you 100%, Anne! There are still (thank god) people around who think it’s fun rather than frustrating when their entertainment challenges them. If FRINGE’s complexities (and as you pointed out, its mysteries seem pale compared to the labyrinth that was LOST) mean there are less people in the room, the people left in that room will more than make up for their absence with the passion and intensity they have for the show.

        For my part, I can’t get enough of the way it manages to be so seamlessly funny and frightening at the same time. It’s a very special blend, which is something I think Walter would probably approve of!

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    • Darth Kate says

      Amen, good sir!…or madam!…whoever you are behind the anonymity of the internet! *sheds a single tear and claps slowly*

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  4. Sofia says

    How is possible someone to complain about an amazing show because it’s serialized and not procedural? What??? I can’t believe that. If there is one thing that I need to congratulate the producers is for had the courage to bring a cable level show to network, highly serialized, awesome with wonderful pay off for its hardcore fans.

    There’s no passion for procedurals, there’s a lot of them in so many channels (CSI, Law and Order, Bones, Castle, pick one…)
    Why someone wants this same style for the only serialized sci fi on tv right now? I don’t understand. But I’m glad that Fringe still last

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  5. Sofia says

    And I do prefer 4 seasons of an amazing, epic show, serialized and with deep mythology instead of 8 seasons of the same old trivial

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    • Count Screwloose says

      I absolutely agree with you, Sofia! The show could have done the easy thing and played it safe, but I think by taking the more difficult road, they made a gamble that paid off. Viewers responded by following the show to what should have been a guaranteed death slot, but they wouldn’t let it die. The kind of loyalty other shows pray for, FRINGE got by giving the audience credit for a little intelligence, something which doesn’t happen much in this spoon-fed day and age.

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  6. Josh says

    You guys really continue to miss the point. Great long term shows are both procedural and have long term story arcs. But Fringe has abandoned the procedural to the point where when they throw one in, it just feels like its taking up space. The fact is, most television viewers are average viewers. They may watch a few shows every week, but probably flip around a lot. You want them to stop when they get to Fringe. Instead, the audience is eroding before our eyes.

    No show is above criticism, that’s the whole point of this website! I complain because I want to keep watching the show, I don’t think the premise for a show on network TV has been this strong in years. But, I understand that you MUST have procedural elements to keep your ratings up. If you want to know where plot-focused syfy on network TV is going, go look at The Event. It’s on NBC, the weakest network, and will still be canceled.

    Frankly I think people here and the showrunners are ignorant to not listen to people who are former Fringies. People who loved the idea but couldn’t keep up with the impossibility. Hate on me all you want, but the ratings for this show are in the trash and its already having a disturbing effect on the series and that’s only going to continue next year, where FOX must expect it in the low 1s in the demo for it to have been renewed. There’s so much to work with already, stop with insane new plot twists that casual viewers laugh at! You have got to give them what they want, and then do your mythology alongside it. You can’t go straight mythology. It does not work and it’s being proven by other shows and by Fringe more and more every week.

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    • William Bishop says

      I don’t know why do you keep saying that Fringe should go back to how it was on S1, it was good, but now it’s improved, now the show has some coherence,we have a storyline, a good storyline, that do answer questions (in it’s own time), instead of jumping from case to case with no objective, but if you like this kind of show, go watch CSI, Bones, etc. (which only have a storyline once in three seasons!) as for the “insane new plot twists”, they are now part of Fringe, which makes it different from any TV show on television (also a better one than many out there). I know that right now the ratings are dropping, but we can be renewed for a fifth season since Fringe is doing better than most shows on friday, not to mention that if FOX decide to move us back to tuesdays or thursdays we’ll have better ratings.
      So I don’t know why do you are not thinking this way, but this show is having better ratings than expected on this slot and evolving in character and plot terms.

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        • Josh says

          Well it should go back because Fox thought it was doing so well, they moved it to Thursdays at 9PM! That’s one of their key base drama hours. Now the show’s been cast off to Friday, and honestly there’s really zero chance it ever recovers if it continues its current ways. Friday at 9PM is the only Fox programming hour where it’s remotely acceptable for a drama to pull 1.3s and 1.4.

          Fringe can be everything we want, and honestly I love the mythology. But I would argue Fringe’s strongest moments are when they have a great procedural that ties into the story arc they are developing. That is captivating TV. Cartoon TV is laughable.

          Again folks, don’t look at me and say “How can you complain about the show.” Fringe’s ratings suck. It should have been cancelled with them. Somehow it survived with a likely major budget cut, a sweet deal, hopeful DVD sales, etc. If you want to keep watching the show, it has to stay on TV! And let’s not sit here and think we are guaranteed 22 episodes next season. Human Target, Lie to Me, etc, were cut to 10-13 episodes when they fell below expectations.

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          • Eric says

            I’m gonna be honest. I’d like to see more of the cool cases that they did in season 1, but I like how they are focusing more on the plot.

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          • Count Screwloose says

            Unfortunately, Josh, your argument is a little useless at this stage of the game. The decision to make FRINGE an interesting program was made some time ago. Do you really think it would be possible to turn the show into what it used to be without making the narrative as incoherent as you accuse it of being? No, the genie’s out of the bottle now and the show is what it is. And after you see this season finale, I think you’ll see just how completely antiquated and impossible your request is.

            But take comfort in this: sooner or later there will be a very mediocre version of FRINGE on the air, and you can watch that, secure in the knowledge that mediocrity always eventually wins the day.

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            • Tenison says

              The fact here is: it’s very difficult to see somebody love the first season as you do. Fans and criticals agree that this is one of the best series in TV now and that the lack of viewers is because the first season didn’t help to attract them. We know that if a series doesn’t attract viewers in its starting, to do this later will be difficult.

              I saw this in The Event. The show’s gonna be canceled because it was, in its starting, booooring. It didn’t have action, some flashbacks were useless, some actions of the characters stupid or contrived. After the first lowatus I never watched it again. Maybe it got better, but anyway I won’t watch it anymore.

              This aplies to Fringe. The fact of, in its starting, the show being just one more procedural in the television with the implication of being extremely scientific and logical repelledthe audience.

              PS: I’m sorry, I know I used a lot of “The fact is…” and variations. In the end, these are in most part my opinions than facts, but I hope you’ll understand.
              PS2: Apart everything I say, I agree with you that is bad they’ve had left behind the Pattern Cases, but I think they’re not totally forgotten and I keep watching to see when and how they will reintegrate them to the narrative again. About the ZFT, you are mistaken. It wasn’t left behind, it was upgraded. The ideas of the ZFT about a technologic war were improved to a technologic war between universes. And alternatively it was used by Walternate to explain everything that was happening with their world, without telling too much.
              PS3: I beg your pardon if any hour I commited any mistake or if you didn’t understand me. I’m brazilian and I’m still learning how to speak english. And I know the probability of commiting ortographic mistakes increase in big texts.

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          • Darth Kate says

            You completely lost me when you said “cartoon tv is laughable” I’m gonna have to put on my otaku hat now and say that animation is just as respectable a medium as any other. people just don’t appreciate it as much because we’ve always associated it with Saturday morning kids shows. Don’t be so close minded and go watch something by Hayao Miyazaki.
            I know this was off topic, but i just had to say it.

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  7. Dylan says

    I just noticed on the latest promo that the corridor Walternate walks down while “I am become death” is spoken, there’s a door with ‘Peter’ written on it. I don’t remember that being in the original promo.

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