FRINGE Episode 3.21 The Last Sam Weiss


OLIVIA MUST TRUST SAM WEISS ON AN ALL-NEW “FRINGE” FRIDAY, APRIL 29, ON FOX

Olivia joins forces with the mysterious Sam Weiss in a desperate race against time in the all-new “The Last Sam Weiss” episode of FRINGE airing Friday, April 29 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR 3.21) (TV-14 L, V)

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth

Guest Cast: Kevin Corrigan as Sam Weiss.

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  1. Cherioki says

    OMG, its Fringe Friday, gotta get down on Fringe Friday, everybody’s looking forward to this episode. We, we , we so excited, we so excited. Fun Fun Fun!

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  2. zakray says

    OMG, Must re-watch, maybe this is why last time Peter interacted with the machine he traveled to the future and knew to kill the shapeshifters only the memory of this knowledge faded once the deed was done.
    I have no idea, it’s just something that’s been rattling around in my brain since that episode.

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  3. Frobz says

    Interesting…and not what I expected, at all. Sam was not the wunderkind I thought, was not a “First Person” but was really, Sam Weiss the X (whatever son of a son he was).

    The typewriter thing was interesting, confirming LOADS of theories about Olivia’s abilities going right back to season 1. Kudos to everyone who theorized from “Ability” that Olivia’s ability only happened because Peter was there. I wonder what our dear David Robert Jones would have thought about Olivia’s ability being tied to Peter!

    I do find it unfortunte that Mr. Weiss was left standing the way he was. Will we see him again? His comment about “interfering” echoes what the Observer said.

    The flashbacks were interesting. I can’t fathom the meaning, yet. The effect of Peter getting in that machine…well, that was unexpected. That’s about all there is to say until next week.

    Pros: it was nice to hear Walter coming to terms with what he is now.

    Cons: Sam..we still don’t have the full story on you, do we? For all we know, William Bell met him through Booger from Season 1. Live long and prosper, son of Sarik!

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    • KOs says

      At the last part when Sam Weiss standing online with the Newton’s cradle, outside watching the lightening, am i getting it wrong or did his face still showing some meaningful expression?

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      • fedorafadares says

        To me, it almost seemed as if Sam Weiss (Sam Weisses?) was at two places at once — in the lab and at Liberty Island.

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        • NF says

          That’s exactly what it looked like. He had set up a nice little camp at Liberty Island, beating Walter and Olivia there. Hmm…

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    • Darth Simous says

      Spot-On. Very prompt comments. I agree on most. Indeed, i didn’t like as well the way Sam was “spent” on this Episode. I guess (and hope) we see him next Season, as well.

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  4. KOs says

    you know. This is the first episode i’ve watched on TV, live on air, for the reason that my partner just caught up all the previous episodes last week.

    and man……it’s tensed….

    especially the ending of this episode….. leave us hanging in there until next friday.

    excellent episode. i love the last half of it,

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  5. Cherioki says

    oh, I’m really skeptical about shows with the future plot lines, It can be really good like Back to the Future or can really messy like Heroes. I hope for the best.

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    • zakray says

      Like Broylesnate ‘Hope’ is the operative word here! God I do miss him I ‘hope’ eventually the over there fringe team discovers ‘discovered’ what happened to him and his sacrifice was not in vain.

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  6. Pwnsauce says

    The glyph was ‘Multi’ which I would assume to mean ‘multiverse’. This would lead me to believe that the universes merged somehow. The promo with Walternate next episode makes that theory confusing. I’m still digesting all this and am really confused.

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    • says

      Maybe not so much a merge than a different timeline. It was something Sam mentioned when he was with Olivia. After only 1 viewing, I gather that he is in the “Blue” universe, but in another timeline. See the World Trade Center wasn’t hit in the “Red” universe as we know it now… That’s all I’ve got! I started to type more, but kept deleting it because I am trying to wrap my brain around it and also, I don’t want to talk about the promo for next week here. Oh boy! The Producers were right about one thing though, I am sure that i will look at season 3 in a whole new light!

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  7. BishopBell says

    That was great. I mean, I’m a sucker for the future part, personally. Especially the new WTC. They made it look fantastic. And the Fringe Division! Oh golly I can’t wait til next week.

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    • says

      I wonder if the WTC memorial we see Peter looking at are the writers’ wink that the Freedom Tower (the building that is to replace the Twin Towers) will not be complete for another 10 years from now.

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  8. OldSchoolGHfan says

    So was that a future from the red or blue universe OR a future of a red/blue merged universe OR a 3rd universe we haven’t seen yet.
    At any rate, I think the decisions that Peter makes while there determines who lives

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  9. Walternate says

    Here’s my theory – we know about the blue universe and the red universe. I think that, if where Peter is now is a universe merge, that is the yellow universe.

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  10. Schwakamole says

    Anyone else get the impression that the first 3 seasons have all been a flashback of Peter’s or maybe he’s been in the past all this time and he just returned to his normal time at the end of the episode?! Just before he got into the machine he had all those flashbacks. And his note said “I am going home”. Obviously he didn’t mean New York because that isn’t his home. He was going back to his own time. And I think Multi doesn’t mean multiverses, it means multiple timelines.

    And I loved that Olivia is the crowbar! And the sound of the typewriter gave me goosebumps. Amazing episode. The producers were right. Totally changes our perception of what’s been happening to date!

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    • Walternate says

      “Anyone else get the impression that the first 3 seasons have all been a flashback of Peter’s or maybe he’s been in the past all this time and he just returned to his normal time at the end of the episode?! Just before he got into the machine he had all those flashbacks.”

      He was remembering things since he joined the Fringe division. His life was ‘flashing before eyes.’

      “And his note said “I am going home”. Obviously he didn’t mean New York because that isn’t his home. He was going back to his own time. And I think Multi doesn’t mean multiverses, it means multiple timelines.”

      He thought he was on the other side. The location he gave to the cabbie was the address to his apartment on the other side.

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      • Darth Kate says

        the only problem with that flashback theory is that there were events earlier in the show where peter wasn’t present.

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      • still Real1 ! says

        Walternat :) you let me go back and re-watch s2ep23 .. when Olivia looked to the adress where Peter was it’s : 1123 W 71 st street NY .

        So maybe Peter was going to his future apartment .

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    • Darth Simous says

      Now that you mentioned it, indeed you maybe right! Anyway, thankfully we will have a whole new season to wonder about…

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  11. LMH says

    WOW, I loved it, but really REALLY need to see it again! Bring it on Hulu!!! I am also wondering about a multiverse merge, or else the appearance of Walternate in the promo for the finale is strange: how did he find a way to survive if the redverse was completely destroyed, did he come over here himself or with others, or did the two worlds become one? It’s a head scratching episode for sure, and I think the finale will be more so. That’s what I love about this show. How much higher can the stakes get, and even when you know something’s coming (some of us have a spoiler problem lol), the writers find a way to knock you off your feet.
    If anyone can learn from the mistakes made by skipping around through time in a plot, it’s these writers lol. LOST bright light flash= everyone groaning, not again!

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    • says

      Someone here commented several episodes ago that the BBM created the Red and the Blue Universe. That the 2 universes we have seen up till now were a result of a different “Plane”. We’ll just call it that for now since I don’t know where we are at the end of this episode; timelines, universes, observers…Oh My!

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  12. Schwakamole says

    Where the heck was Nina??! She was a nervous nelly all over the place in the last episode and now we don’t even catch a glimps of her!

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  13. physicsgirl says

    Holy rusted metal Batman!! Did anyone else squeal and do a little dance after the finale preview?

    So are they setting this up for a storyline where Peter glimpses the future and in 2011 they try to prevent that heinous stuff from happening in 2021? Or has Peter just acquired the ability to live off the time grid like the Observers do? He certainly didn’t look 10 years older…

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      • says

        …And then there is the wait till Fall. I will savor every minute, every easter egg left behind next week. I don’t just have to watch tonight’s episode again; I have to watch from Season 1 all over again! Speaking of Season 1, do you think wherever Peter is at the end that they have the Beacon over there?

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    • Schwakamole says

      Yeah he did. His hairline was pretty receded on both sides. And the dirt and grime on his face really made the crows feet show up. Not that he’d be ancient looking at 42 but they definitely had him looking 10 yrs older…in my opinion.

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    • Page 48 says

      So are they setting this up for a storyline where Peter glimpses the future and in 2011 they try to prevent that heinous stuff from happening in 2021

      This glimpse into an apocalyptic future is reminiscent of “Epitaph One” from “Dollhouse”, where we jumped to 2019 only to find that things had gotten way outta hand.

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  14. KLA says

    Wow, Wow, Wow. That was part interesting, mindblowing, a little inconceivable (like moving the BBM so quickly), unexplicable (no Nina), romantic, and gosh, my mind is spinning too fast to think any more

    While I did not watch the spoilers today, I saw the pictures of Peter in his dirty clothes in the war zone several weeks ago so I knew something like this was coming. Is it possible that this whole 3 years was a memory of Peter’s???? Holy Smokes.

    I need some time to process. A glass of McCutcheon would help!!

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    • Schwakamole says

      Yeah, the whole moving of the BBM thing bugged me. They can’t even throw a pen at it but they can manage to get a trailer under it and haul it several hundred miles away?!

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      • KLA says

        Not just haul it but get it out of the hanger, to the dock, and on a barge. Sheesh. but, I must remember that this is TV!! And, where was Brandon during all of this??

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        • FringeFriday says

          Yeah, like the machine is a bag you put in the trunk of a car…. even if it was on a platform, they would not be able to touch it without being zapped. it felt like the move of the BBM was happening in a matter of hours not in days.

          that aside, it was a FRINGETASTIC episode!!!

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          • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

            Astrid was working on the logistics of moving the BBM and she can do ANYTHING!!

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      • says

        I scratch a hole in my head trying to figure out the logistics of that. Let’s see if we can work through this together. So the BBM is on a platform, so it doesn’t have to be too far of a stretch to assume that they move the platform or apparatus that they had built the machine on. I think that is what I am going to tell myself for now :-)

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        • KLA says

          Not sure if that works for me, but I will go with it for now!!! Now if it was Nina with the backing of Massive Dynamic to do it instead of Astrid arranging it, then it would be plausible. I mean they probably could have gotten a military helicopter to move it at a moments notice given their connection in the government (remember the FBI guy??)

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    • Walternate says

      I don’t think the first three seasons are a flashback. When we saw those scenes from previous episodes, Peter was just remembering because it was very possible he could have died.

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      • KLA says

        Well, the writers did say that it would all be clear by year end, so we should know by next week, unless they are full if it!!!

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        • Walternate says

          Indeed. Honestly, I’m not ruling anything out at this point. This is Fringe, it’s not smart to rule something out.

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  15. Schwakamole says

    I was kinda let down that Sam wasn’t a first people person. But it was cool to find out how much he knew, and didn’t know, about the machine. Thought the bowling move was a little too cheesy, though.

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    • says

      In all honesty, we’ve been looking at Sam Weiss like he is some mystical guru all season and yet we find out that he is just some dude…or is he? For an episode with his name in the title I could have used a little bit more from him. Why weren’t we supposed to trust him? Was it because he only knew a little, but not the whole story? Seeing as he was not a first person, and was just from a long line of male descendents that stumbled upon this VERY important info.

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        • Oscar says

          Maybe Sam’s storyline is not closed. After all, the last scene in which we see him looking at Liberty Island was in some way disquieting…

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          • Darth Kate says

            His involvement is far from over. the reveal that he was just one of many and his uncertainty throughout the while episode raises even more questions in addition to the whole first people ordeal.

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            • Darth Simous says

              I keep wondering if Sam has any connection with the Observers. Certainly doesn’t look like them, and hasn’t demonstrated any Special Abilities…yet

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      • roneo says

        “Seeing as he was not a first person, and was just from a long line of male descendents that stumbled upon this VERY important info.”

        You are right. He has always seemed to know too many things, about Olivia, the machine ….. He has to be more than just that. I hope so.

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        • matt says

          i agree, the bowling stunt, the red clothes anagram thing, the taller than he looks thing, and the whole doing calculus scene and the last newton’s cradle scene all make me think he wasn’t telling the whole truth. i get the feeling we’ll be hearing more about him. working with brad’s new character maybe a rogue observer or something?

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      • alexis says

        i couldn’t agree more! it was quite disappointing to see that he was just a messenger and he didn’t even know everything. i really thought he would be a much more relevant piece in the whole picture.

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    • Bischof says

      “I was kinda let down that Sam wasn’t a first people person.”

      Don’t trust Sam Weiss. He could have made all that great-great-great-grandfather story up.

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      • g33k says

        I agree, we’ve seen observers do very cool impossible things, and I thought the rock thing was just like that. Perhaps Sam is more related to them then he lets on and being all “hey passing this info down is family tradition!” excuse is his way of interfering less and manipulating things to his advantage.

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  16. robyn says

    Fantastic episode. Someone called the fact that they needed to move the machines to the same location! I still don’t quite understand why we can’t trust Sam Weiss. I’m not sure how I feel about Olivia’s part in this, but I guess it plays in the thing about fate and destiny.

    Did anyone notice the red and green lights in the background right before Peter stepped into the machine?

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    • says

      “I’m not sure how I feel about Olivia’s part in this, but I guess it plays in the thing about fate and destiny.”
      While Olivia and Sam were on their “Da Vinci Code” search, and it was Olivia’s picture was inside of the box, my first thought was, ” I could make a lot of popcorn from this corn!”. However, I’m just going to fallback on the fact that the convergence of Olivia and Peter, and what that could mean has been touch upon since Season 1. I hope that September can shed some light on this next week.

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    • Darth Kate says

      i was thinking that the “don’t trust sam wiess” message could possibly refer to ANOTHER sam wiess… maybe an older one or something, because so far, this one has shown absolutely no menace whatsoever.

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      • lizw65 says

        I’m thinking that Future Olivia drew that picture of herself and placed it there, in the box. It can’t be coincidence that they’ve started showing her sketching all of a sudden.

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        • matt says

          well Sam and Bell have talked and Bell ran the cortexiphan trials so maybe it was all planned or made to fit a plan or something similar

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  17. Lloyd Webber says

    Silly question, I’m sure, but it gnawed at me as the episode went on. How does Sam Weiss know so much and how was he able to help Nina and Olivia if he’s just a regular person?

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      • Lloyd Webber says

        He seemed so mystical with the whole “I’m older than I look shtick”, but then we find out he’s one of ‘us’ so to speak. A bit of a letdown, but oh well no one bats a 1000

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        • KLA says

          The only explanation I can come up with is that this was all an act. He know’s what is up but is pretending like he does not. I mean we cannot be sure the he can be trusted.

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          • Tammy says

            Maybe that’s why we aren’t supposed to trust him. There has to be a reason.

            Was it just me or was he not very like “mwhahahaha olivia is a telekinetic mwhahaha they are pawns in my plan…mwhaha..” I dunno, he seemed kind of excited watching this all pan out…and to top it off “I’m not supposed to interfere…”

            Sam Weiss you trickster you :)

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            • Dylan says

              I found it odd that the devices in his bowling alley, and his knowledge of the timeline, didn’t quite fit with his backstory.

              Information is passed down the generations? Sure. But then, how do you know that you’re “not allowed to interfere”?

              Sounds very Observerish to me.

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        • Darth Kate says

          i wouldn’t rule out the “older than i look” comment just yet. Just because he’s one of many doesn’t mean he isn’t older than a normal person. And he did say that centuries of knowledge had been stowed upon him (not the exact quote, but close enough), which is not exactly normal.

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          • lizw65 says

            When he said his father was digging for mastodon bones, or something, I got the sense that maybe his father lived concurrently with the mastodons, and he belongs to a very long-lived species.

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    • Peanut says

      Sam also told Olivia that he is taller than he appears. That makes me think–along with the remark about his age & that he can’t remember his childhood–he isn’t a normal person. Or maybe he just likes to spin yarns?

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  18. Tammy says

    the tingling sensation from the finale promo was far more epic that this episode…and this episode was pretty damn epic.
    Was it just me or was Peter’s “I love you too” missing? I’m still wondering on a few things that they’ve left open this season. Like the shapeshifter devices and the fact that Peter STILL doesn’t know about this son. And why/who/how we should not trust Sam Weiss. I’m hoping ONE of these things gets answered in the finale…but seeing as how the finale is going to pan out…maybe we’ll have to wait and see till next season?
    But if that promo at the end was not a dead give away about who they are killing off…

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  19. KLA says

    Uh, why didn’t Peter tell Olivia that he loved her after she said it??? Did that strike anyone as odd. I mean we know he does, but what the hell???

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      • KLA says

        Exactly. So why not a “me to” or “i love you too” and if really feeling good, say “I’ve always loved you,” Sigh. My post episode romantic side is raging. And the San Antonio Spurs just lost, so I am in double shock.

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    • Ducky says

      i guess its kinda always been more how either of the can comunicate with each other with just a look. his smile and kiss kinda showed her he loves her as well. but personally i loved the flashes before he stepped into the machine. i thought that was a brilliant touch.

      peter’s mind was always on our olivia…”it will be her world that survives…”

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    • alexis says

      i know, poor olivia!!! she always seems to take the first step, and it’s hard enough to gather the courage!!! he should have said it back. i feel like she’s been doing all the work since she got back from over there and peter has just waited for her to work everything out. a bit smug and self-centered of him, imo.

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    • FinChase says

      I definitely noticed it too. And he should know Olivia well enough to realize that it was not an easy thing for her to say.

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  20. says

    OKay, OKay, that episode is great…No, FANTASTIC; but what I REALLY want to know “Is Charlie Francis in this new place Peter has found himself in?”

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    • KLA says

      He better be. I am still not over the loss of Charlie over here, and because of a no-good shapeshifter.

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      • Walternate says

        I will never be over the death of Charlie. He was my favorite. I liked the relationship he had with Olivia. Very brother-sister thing they had going.

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        • KLA says

          Yes, he was truly the best. Almost like the glue that held everything together, and the voice of reason. His loss is felt in every episode for me. I love you Charlie. RIP.

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          • alexis says

            you are right, he was. and i loved his interaction with olivia, he was her only friend. she trusted him and he was a very important support for her. i think his was a very unfortunate loss for fringe…

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  21. hal says

    i fell asleep drunkenly and missed this episode.. lol. *doesn’t read comments* but im gonna DL it… sorry ratings!

    but i have to say the screenshot for this thread Olivia’s expression looks incredibly japanese.. its kinda hot?

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  22. KLA says

    One last thing that bothered me. The shamless Ford car advertisements. I mean the Sprint ones were bad, but the 2 Ford ones here were shamelessly shameless.

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      • Darth Simous says

        Also agree. As far as i am concerned, they can have the entire Ford range in there, as long as the series keeps going…

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    • says

      Oh it is not just Fringe that it is getting bad in. Another Fox show that Fringe used to share a night with (they shall remain nameless) had a mini Toyota Prius commercial during the episode this week. At least the Dad in the car was not like “Okay hold on son! I’m going to use this amazing HD 1080i backup camera to get us out of here!”

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    • says

      You would think (logically) if a show has more product placements then it would have fewer commercial breaks. It is something to ponder when we see in Season 4 that the entire “yellow” multi-verse has been brought to us by Sprint.

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      • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

        I totally agree, why does everything have to be wall-to-wall advertising? Give us at LEAST a minute more of the story if you are going to be hawking cars and Astrid using Mr Clean to clean the lab or whatever they come up with. I don’t mind product placement, but what I do mind is that we still get the same amount of commercial breaks!! Go back to the 1st season’s experiment of more story/less commercials and I will be very happy!!

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      • g33k says

        haha maybe we should just all start calling the yellowverse the Sprintverse now. That way they’ll be more inclined to give them more money for product placement and keep the show funded!!!

        Every time there’s a special effect as they cut to commercials they could put a tagline under the glyphs “The special effects in this segment were brought to you by Sprint”

        I’m going to shut up now, I hope the Fringe producers don’t read that.

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      • says

        There’s also a Jeep in almost every episode in the traffic. ;)

        Who knows? Maybe more KGC in S4.
        Pens brought to you by BIC.

        I don’t see any problem with product placement. It pays the bills for Fringe and i can easily ignore it. Besides IRL you see advertising everywhere.

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    • Aqualung says

      On Bones the advertisements are way worse than Fringe. They actually have it in the dialogue describing the great featues of the car.

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    • Still Real1 ! says

      I am here … i want to concentrate before saying any thing , lot of things , just give me hour or 2 .. i want to re-watch it .

      :)

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        • Still Real1 ! says

          :thumbsup:

          Amazing .. and the word amazing is not sufficient to describe this ep , yes there is some weakness scene but over all it’s really very very wonderful . ( still though “Marionette” my top fav episode ) .

          The big question is : how many time did Olivia and Peter used the machine ?

          Sam is still mystery for me , and i hate that Broyles did off him from continue the day with them , Sam didn’t reveal every thing IMO , he was surprised that Olivia is the missing key but still i think he has something , and i loved that scene where he throoo that ball .. he saved his life and Olivia without extra ordinary power … :thumbup:

          Olivia .. the lead .. the main character of the show … i don’t know how not every one is seeing her as how Walter is seeing her .. extra ordinary human .. cortixkid but talent by natural …. her love and fear which manipulate her .. needless to say .. she is a good person , Lovely sentence of the episode[b] ” I know you wanna believe in me ..I wanna believe in me .. but believing doesn’t make it true “[/b] KUDOS to the writers for delivering that deepness sentence . So the drawing had Olivia’s pic … Not the none sense pic , which mean .. she is uniquely the one to trigger the machine and she is the one hope for the blue to survive . Jones was right .. she is our girl our protector and i couldn’t be more in love with this character .. she got me since S1 :blush:

          red Peter .. the lead … the lost boy … who he is confused … was looking for his father sec.of defense :hmm: .. what he was wanting to tell him ? …. Yep he was injured and maybe lose some of his memory … but i was wondering why he want to see his father ? …… but .. Peter came to see that he was confused .. and slowly he is remembering where he is .

          Olivia and Peter are working together … Olivia is preparing the machine so Peter can go inside it .. it was amazing scene .. Olivia is saying I love you .. Peter didn’t say it .. but Peter did it ! .. he was thinking of her .. thinking about all the 3 seasons together .. seeing only Olivia .. his soulmate for ever ( I hope ) …. so where did we arrive .. we arrived 2021 !!!

          Future ? .. or Peter did change the time in order to save the world ? .. is that mean the red universe was deleted ? or Peter did change the time in the blue 2021 and the red still in 2011 ? I don’t know ….

          But am for now happy that Peter did choose Olivia .. and Olivia is the key .. both were meant to be together , the right Peter with the right Olivia .

          Wonderful episode .

          9.85

          :cool:

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          • KOs says

            ( still though “Marionette” my top fav episode ) .

            it’s also my top fav of season 3 so far.

            and for the 3×21, oh my…. once i see the drawing with Olivia’s face on it i was like…. Geez!!!! Peter and Olivia are both on the drawings. and the Telekinesis ability of Olivia’s, a touch back to the season 1. It’s such a good idea. i once thought that the writers introduced us one of her abilities but she never used it anymore. what’s the point. And now it’s making sense to me. It’s not useless it’s just not the time yet!!!

            Wow to the almost the whole episode.

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            • Still Real1 ! says

              Absolutely , Marionette is the point of all the things in the show IMO , red Peter and Olivia are meant to be , imagine if one of them will die ? what will happen next ?

              Sam said it’s not the time … which mean .. it’s like a mutation what did happen , it’s not suppose to happen that way . which mean there must be a correction for the time .. which mean we will hang to the next week episode and i really don’t know how we will spend the summer after the next episode !

              The game will change … i have a feeling that Fringe is not going to be as how we used to see it ……….. Peter&Olivia .. Peter and Faux …. one could be a parent for a girl the other one parent for a boy .. and then the boy and the girl will be brother and sister !!!!!!!!!! it’s not spoiler or any thing it’s just a theory .So S4 will be new thing .. or maybe the brother and sister .. will try to go back and fix the damage …. or maybe .. I don’t know !

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              • matt says

                i get the feeling the observers brought the picture of peter from over there or somewhere else and our machine was made for Olivia and the other for Peter or something like that. maybe it’s not happening right because peter came over here? or maybe walternate knows A LOT more than we think. i mean, how did he go from realizing where his son is and wanting to get him back to destroying worlds with ancient machines?

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                • still Real1 ! says

                  “subject 13″ Olivia was the one which told Walternate where was Peter by accident , so walternate figured there was an other universe and a girl who can move between worlds long time ago .

                  I think maybe …. if there is one of every thing .. who’s not saying that there was AltSam wiese over there ??? i was asking this question for a while on other site .. Who’s feeding Walternte by the information ? .. i remembered Jones when he said to Olivia my people are loyal to me dose your people loyal to you ?

                  What if there is someone from our side who’s feeding Walternat ?

                  Sam was knowing along that Olivia has something with the machine but he should not interfere .. revealing the last crowbar is very danger … and will cost the end of the universe .. that’s why i think Sam doesn’t wanting to use this final key .

                  Olivia is target now , but who else know about what did happen in the liberty island ?

                  -Olivia
                  -Peter
                  -Walter
                  -Broyles
                  -Astrid
                  -Sam
                  and we can add Nina

                  take off Olivia , which one did reveal to Walternat that Olivia is the key for the machine ?

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            • still Real1 ! says

              Well , i didn’t see the promo at the time to figure it’s 2026 :) still it’s future .

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              • FringeFriday says

                yeah, well, I figured that out when I submitted the text… how could anyone know what year exactly it is… sorry ;-)

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  23. cody says

    So who typed the message “be a better man than your father?” into the typewriter??!!! What does it mean!?!?!?

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    • Walternate says

      Pay attention. Olivia typed it. Walter told her to pick a phrase, that was the phrase she used. That’s the phrase she said to Peter in the season 2 premiere when she woke up. It’s something Peter’s mother used to tell him

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      • fedorafadares says

        I actually had a mind-bending moment about the typewriter: When Peter asked Olivia WHAT the phrase was, then the typewriter started spewing it out.

        Could FuturePeter have travelled back in time on the other side and typed that message himself so that Olivia would have confidence in her abilities?

        Or could the combination of the two of them activate the typewriter gizmo?

        The timing of that message appearing was interesting.

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      • Jackson Heights says

        Who typed the message doesn’t seem as clear to me as to you. First Olivia didn’t say yeah I wrote that, second when she turned of the lights on Robert Jones bomb Peter was there, when she was meditating to the typewriter nothing happened until after they found Peter in NY then the typewriter came alive. Maybe Peter projected this thought to Olivia and that is the phrase she came up with. I think it is interesting that many of abilities come when Peter is around. This would certainly be an odd phrase to pop out of Olvia’s mind but for Peter is would be right on cue. Also for the writers is would bookend the opening of season 2 with the end of season 3.

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  24. says

    omg the machine and then the shit-hits-the-fan, and then im like woa, which side is he on, and like he says fringe division, but im totally like ‘is that why he was looking for walternate of the dod?’ and then flip-side the preview for the coup de ta is so walternate has his own machine and im like wtf and walternate is at war with peter, which looked like it was in his mind, and then BOOM! walter never left the asylum…, and there’s amberprotocol everywhere, and olivia is on the stay and how did walternate get loose and then also use the machine, is walternate in peters mind, that would so f w/ my mind; and the observers where every whurr, woaa…..this show is #awesome ! it’s like pantheon wars

    ashes, ashes, we all fall down…

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  25. hal says

    “I work in a bowling alley” – HAHAHAHAHAHAH……

    my thoughts so far – this episode is pretty good.. its exciting, just what a near-finale should be like.. im liking the new dynamics between the characters.. its like i finally realized how far the shows gone along

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    • g33k says

      I liked Walter’s line to Olivia near the end “Just think of it as a giant typewriter.” LOL

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  26. hal says

    i liked the exchange between Walter and Olivia at the typewriter.. it was a genuine heartfelt kinda thang..

    all around good episode, its shaping up to be a good finale and i like where we’re headed now..

    im sure theres some gripes from people here and there about little details but whatever…

    the POlivia thing seems good now.. they have a proper dynamic.. it all built up to this one moment, where everyone has to let Petah go.. and its lookin epic.. HOLY SH*T petahs in the future!

    so that means we get to see futcha-Ella

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  27. Samwise says

    If you look at the ancient text that Sam Weiss refers to in his scroll it’s the exact writing that the observer wrote in his notebook way back in season 1. Clearly the observers are the first people.

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  28. says

    Did anyone find it strange the way that Peter forget Olivia and Walter at first and then all of a sudden he got his memory back? It seemed odd to me, like he knew something but was just going along with Walter and Olivia and not saying what he really knew.

    And what’s with the coin? Walter recognized it and yet didn’t say anything. Is that the coin that little Peter used to flip along his fingers when he was a kid? Did he perhaps pawn it after Walter was institutionalized?

    What an absolutely amazing episode, I cannot think of a set-up for a season finale ever like this in the past. Heck, this was good enough to be the season finale itself, complete with cliffhanger. Imagine what next week has in store for us?

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    • cody says

      I dont know but the coin thing has something else to it. I didn’t know peter collected them over there as a kid. It occurred to me that Peter seems to be getting memories back from when he was a child over there(which is a first!!!!!!!!). Something happened when Peter touched that machine and sent him into a coma. I believe we will get many answers that were asked from the episode “Subject 13″ soon.

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  29. Sofia says

    Re-watching the episode and the 3×22 promo, my theories are:
    1- Peter and Olivia are directly descendants from an ancient civilization (first people) that divided their world (yellow!verse) in two others (blue and red) as result of using the machine.

    The last descendants was separated, one in each universe (Peter was sent to red and Olivia to the blue), so they will never be together and able of to operate the machine again, risking the worlds.

    But guess what? They found their way back to each other. And because the baby with their genetic code initiated the machine, they’ll need to use the other one.

    2- About the promo (the drawing). Maybe it’s not a girl, but a boy with a long hair. Henry. And that Olivia is not our Olivia (Altlivia changed her hair).

    And Was not their world destroyed, but ours.

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    • Sofia says

      I said that about red!verse because Peter was confused about who he is and where he came from. And Sam Weiss told us that Peter’s emotions can define what side will survive.
      Or maybe both universes did merge.

      But my theories are always wrong :) and I hope so, because I all for blue!verse if only one can survive

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      • Tammy says

        It couldn’t have been a merged version of the two worlds. Mainly because if you look closely, you’ll notice its our world. 9/11, the Statue of Liberty, even Walternate said that Peter destroyed his universe, now he’s going to destroy his and the fact that there are two different Walter’s in the promo. I just have a feeling that Walternate came into our world before Peter went into the machine.

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        • Frenchie says

          Yes. I thought the Statue of Liberty was there specifically to tell us this was our world… I don’t understand what the confusion is.

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  30. says

    Fringe. Where will you be WHEN it happens. When, as in: 10 years into the future. Looking at the tower, it still is the blueverse and the world is devestated.

    Beautiful line between Olivia and Peter: “i love you”. :)

    Olivia slowly developing and showing her powers.

    Curious how the document with Olivia was showing up.

    Not satisfied that Sam Weiss is just some sort of glorified monk; a keymaster. I believe the character had much more in him than just that.

    I love the typewriter being back, will it also type into the future and past?

    Right now, i’m going to rewatch it and then comment for some more.

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    • Still Real1 ! says

      If Sam did throoo something to the machine and the machine rejected it how they could transfer the machine to the liberty island ?

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      • says

        Olivia did her mind-thingy already when they transferred the BBM. Also, they used the key, so they knew that Olive had some powers to contain the BBM.

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    • Darth Simous says

      For me, they made Sam a direct equal to the Key-Master in Matrix Reloaded. And, as a reminder, that character died after helping Neo reaching the Source…

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      • says

        Yes. Sam Weiss deserves a bigger part with a lot more weight. Now he’s just a courier that got send away by Broyles. Sam Weiss deserves much better than this.

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        • fedorafadares says

          I had hoped to learn more about Sam Weiss last night, but I don’t think it’s the last we’ve seen of him. The mile-long stare he was giving Liberty Island says that he’s waiting to see how it all plays out, too!

          I have to admit, though, his comic relief (patron member since 1982, and bowling for artifacts) were awesome.

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    • Charlie says

      He’s a Historian like I am…see I knew we were good for something…I would just liked a little more on why Peter and Olivia are attached to the machine…it would be cool if they really relased the “First People” book…I would buy it =)

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  31. mlj102 says

    All things considered, I was quite pleased by this episode. Very well done in moving the story further, providing amazing callbacks to past episodes, along with significant twists that set the stage for what is coming.

    Just a few random thoughts:

    “Riders on the storm” Great song choice!

    I really enjoyed the effects in this episode. The lightening storms were really impressive to watch and I felt like they effectively conveyed the extreme magnitude of the situation. I also liked the moment where Sam threw the pen at the machine and it was repelled back. That was awesome. It’s a shame no one thought to do that before Peter attempted to go into it. :)

    I really wanted the taxi driver that Peter encountered to be Henry. That would have just made my day! Maybe he’ll show up in the finale. I can hope, right?

    I don’t fully understand what happened to Peter. I have to think there are deeper, more lasting consequences than the momentary confusion/memory loss he experienced. I wonder if they’ll address that further in the next episode, or if it really was all it appeared to be.

    It really stood out to me in this episode how much Walter and Astrid complement each other in the way they react to situations: Walter is a pessimist, quick to expect the worst, while Astrid is ever an optimist who looks for that silver lining on the clouds. While I’d seen this before in other episodes, it was particularly apparent in this episode and I realized that’s a large reason why they work together so well.

    The kite scene = priceless. That was the Walter I know and love. It feels like a long time since we’ve seen that side of Walter.

    Olivia and Peter: While I have no doubt that Roco will have some choice opinions on their interactions in this episode, I found that it worked for me. I think the writers/producers fumbled with portraying the relationship being reestablished after Peter’s ignorance regarding the switch, but they’ve done a good job with it since then. It’s believable. At first I thought Olivia’s “I love you” was a bit out of place, but then as I looked at it in context, that they really had no idea what the near future would hold for them, it made sense that they would share that moment between them. That was the “farewell” moment that I felt was missing so much from last episode.

    Speaking of which, I was rather surprised that, to a certain extent, my theory that the machine rejected Peter because Olivia wasn’t there, was actually semi-correct. That never happens… my theories are always wrong!

    One of my favorite parts was Olivia’s struggle to believe in herself. That’s always been something difficult for her, so it felt very natural and in character. It was great the way they tied it back in with Ability. And I loved the subtle reactions Anna Torv delivered. I think my favorite was when Walter said she would have to control the machine over there, and she quickly responded by saying “You’re not saying I have to cross over!” Poor Olivia… she did NOT want to go back over there. And who can blame her? The relief on her face when Walter assured her she wouldn’t have to said it all.

    But beyond all of that, I loved the whole concept of Walter trying to help her to see all that she is capable of. In many ways, that whole idea of self-worth and believing in yourself has been Olivia’s journey over this season. She has had to rediscover herself and learn to accept herself as she is, and in this episode we saw her take that step to believe in her abilities. I really liked how that was addressed and portrayed in this episode.

    So Sam: First off, I quite enjoyed the humorous moments from him. I liked his improvisational bowling that prevented them from getting trapped in the museum. And I laughed out loud at the way he introduced himself as a patron member of the museum. Very impressive, indeed!

    Like others have expressed here, initially I was a bit disappointed with the way Sam was used in this episode. In a lot of ways, he was used in the background, more as an observer than an active participant. I found this to be a bit of a contrast to the way he approached Olivia at the end of 6:02 AM EST. I had expected more from him, especially in an episode that had his name in the title, but instead we got a passive, normal person. It felt a bit like a wasted opportunity. But after watching it again (yes, I’ve already watched it again) I found that it didn’t seem so irritating or wasted. Sam seemed particularly concerned with the fact that he shouldn’t be interfering (which, if I might add, is a very Observer-ish trait). It was like he was worried he was going to get in trouble or mess things up. And for those who are disappointed that he’s just another “normal” guy and not a First Person, I say don’t dismiss Sam too quickly. Assuming he was telling the truth to Olivia about the long line of Sams, it could simply be that he’s a descendant of the first people rather than a survivor of the first people. Which makes sense… unless I’m mistaken, no one ever said that the First People lived indefinitely. I still think there’s more to Sam than meets the eye. And I don’t think we’ve seen the last of him.

    And now I’m left with the conflicting feelings of wanting next week to get here now so I can see the next episode, while at the same time, not wanting it to come because that means the end for 4 months. Sigh.

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    • ajewell says

      Wonderful analysis – and congrats on having your theory proved right! All of your views pretty much aligned with mine – the Peter/Olivia “farewell”, Astrid/Walternate’s relationship, and the use of Sam Weiss.

      I’m anxiously awaiting the season finale too (though with a smidgeon of dread, since I know the cliff-hanger will just kill me.) Gah, 4 months seems like a lifetime!

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    • roneo says

      “At first I thought Olivia’s “I love you” was a bit out of place, but then as I looked at it in context, that they really had no idea what the near future would hold for them, it made sense that they would share that moment between them. That was the “farewell” moment that I felt was missing so much from last episode.”

      My first feelings, too. But at the review, I second-guessed them.
      How if Olivia is remembering Nina’s words about the Peter’s heart choice leading the machine, and she is just being careful? I don’t suggest that she was being cunning, cause she never is, and I think that she really loves Peter deeply. But she just wanted to make sure Peter knows it. Just in case.
      That would explain the flashback images, as representing the state of Peter’s heart.

      Maybe it’s just me being mean?

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    • alexis says

      “I think my favorite was when Walter said she would have to control the machine over there, and she quickly responded by saying “You’re not saying I have to cross over!”

      that was priceless, poor olivia, indeed!! the mere thought of having to go back made her sick!!!!!

      “But beyond all of that, I loved the whole concept of Walter trying to help her to see all that she is capable of.”

      this was probably my favourite part of the episode. it was such a powerful and moving scene. olivia is a royally screwed person and a great deal of responsibility lies on walter and his experimenting on her as a child. and yet it’s been patent since the beginning that walter cares a great deal for olivia. even back then, as we saw in subject 13 ho concerned he was for her wellbeing. when he said “i wish you could see yourself as i see you” i was so moved. he’s being very paternal all along but you could tell how his feelings were always a bit repressed for obvious reasons (he was a stranger to her and when she -or they- found out about their past she had good reason to loathe him). and in this episode he really opened to her. amazing moment, full of love.

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      • Schwakamole says

        Yes, it was a nice and touching scene but just two episodes ago he didn’t give two hoots about Olivia dying…he was way more concerned about Bellie. So it seems a rather big jump for Walter to feel all lovey dovey for Olivia suddenly.

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        • FinChase says

          Yes, I liked that part with Walter and Olivia, but you’re right: A lot of the time he doesn’t seem to worry a great deal about her. I’m still angry about his callous disregard for her wellbeing in “What Lies Below”. Maybe it is because he regards her as so strong and capable–he believes she doesn’t fail–that he assumes she’ll always land on her feet.

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  32. JasonBlack says

    Personally, I think Olivia’s gonna die in the finale. In the promo, they show the drawing of Peter, Olivia, and their kid so it leads me to conclude it’s Bolivia. I don’t think Olivia will stay dead though as I believe the finale is just a flashforward much like Lost, or this one episode of Supernatural. It’ll probably carry on through next year, but at some point Peter’s going to come back to this time and save both worlds to protect Olivia.

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  33. William Bell says

    I’m pretty sure S1- S3 have all been Peter’s flashback, and the present story will be set in 2026. Then again, I might be proven wrong by next week.

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    • Dylan says

      But then how does that explain everything that Peter wasn’t a witness to? Walter’s flashback in ‘Peter’? Everything on the other side?

      Interesting idea, but ultimately heavily flawed.

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  34. Dylan says

    This entire 3 part finale just feels rushed. There is too much information being thrown at us as well as scenes that haven’t had enough build-up to them.

    I was right about the whole meaning behind “The Last Sam Weiss”, but boy did they undo his importance quickly in this episode. Sam is now completely unimportant, he wasn’t even allowed to go to Liberty Island. Weird (there is also a whole tonne of information they have yet to explain with him. Hoping they do that next week).

    I dunno. I have mixed feelings. Some things exciting. Some things random. A lot of things just rushed.

    Yeah, that’s the only way I can sum up these episodes so far; rushed.

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    • Dylan says

      Just finished my rewatch, and the episode was a lot better for me the second time around. The first act is still much stronger than the second and third.

      One problem that stuck was how, as the episode went further along, the scale reduced. A few things like having scenes at Massive Dynamic as opposed to Walter’s lab, having vortexes actually open up (it’s bizzare how it started with vortexes and now it’s storms, as if the damage has actually decreased as more time has past), and perhaps seeing more of the other side (or seeing their machine on) would have helped to either increase or maintain the scale of events.

      Still not comfortable with how much time was spent on Peter’s confusion, and then how quickly it was resolved.

      Lack of Nina, and again Massive Dynamic.

      No mass evacuations (I think this event might have just been the kind of thing in which to alert the government to the possibility of global destruction, and evacuate New York in the many hours it took to move the machine).

      I’m not entirely sure how I feel about the ending. Next week will ultimately decide. But I think the finale would have been better as an actual third act to these events as opposed to an extended-flashforward of the future. That kind of thing is usually looked at in the running to the finale, not in the finale itself.

      We’ll see, but those are my final thoughts.

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  35. Dylan says

    I really hate how in these past two episodes, Peter has been given both times an atrocious line just before entering (or attempting to) the machine;

    “If I save both universes, consider it my retirement”
    “Can’t say I never take you places”

    ugh…they were painful to hear.

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    • freakadeek says

      Actually peter’s line, “don’t say I never took you places” was a direct shoutout to his line in the episode unleashed when they were in the sewers.

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      • Dylan says

        But it didn’t need to be said, all the same. There shouldn’t have been any dialogue at that moment.

        It’s like…the hero’s quip, just before the final confrontation (and by ‘quip’ I refer to something cheesy like any one of Schwarzenegger’s lines in his 80’s films just after he kills a bad guy).

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  36. Dylan says

    Did anyone scream out loud when they saw at in the promo for next week (approximately 3 seconds into it) every single observer – even those we haven’t met yet – all standing outside in a group looking up at the statue of liberty?

    Mind officially blown. Been waiting for that for the entire series.

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  37. AnTo says

    Great episode, again the writing of the two ladies. All their episodes are in the top, almost equally for me.
    Here again they have the right balance, the conversations completely feel natural and flow.

    I loved the scenes between Olivia and Sam Weiss, great chemistry between the actors.
    And so beautiful the scenes between Olivia and Walter, I wish they had more of them. For the first time ist seems you feel the bond they have.
    The way Olivia first rejected her ability, and then accepted it, brilliant.

    Since I am not a fan of the machine storyline, I am not so keen about the last minute or so, and wonder if next week will be entirely in the future. My guess is we switch, and I fear for Olivia.

    Anna Torv absolutely amazing, awesome, wonderful.

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    • Dylan says

      lol the first time I read that I saw ‘The love scenes between Olivia and Sam Weiss…”

      Say what!?

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  38. Dylan says

    Just studying the promo. I have a feeling I know who dies. I also have a feeling that we’re being cheated – as the death is most likely to occur in this post-apocalyptic version of Fringe.

    Of course if this version stays we just won’t see the character for a while, but that hardly means that in our present they’ll be dead.

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    • mlj102 says

      “I have a feeling I know who dies. I also have a feeling that we’re being cheated – as the death is most likely to occur in this post-apocalyptic version of Fringe.”

      A future death is still a legitimate death. It happens. If nothing changes, it will happen. It will still be an emotional event. I don’t think that can be considered a “cheat” just because it hasn’t happened “yet”. It is depicting what might happen just as the alternate reality shows what could have happened. August’s death is still real, even though we later saw him in the flashback to 1985 and he was alive and well. Charlie’s death is still real even though we still see his alternate self. And a characters death in the future will still be real, even if we come back to the present when that character is still alive. The neat thing will be to see if they can change events so that they can avoid that death, or if it will still happen.

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      • still Real1 ! says

        I believe that the one can change events or action .. but you can’t change the time of death , if someone will die in 43 years old .. he/she will die in 43 years old no matter what the circumstances will be .. and that’s really really really and really is bothering me ! so i hope it will look like as a death ,, but it will not be death !!!!

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      • Dylan says

        Not really. It’s a temporary death, undone the moment the character seeing all this returns to the present.

        A character dying only carries weight if the death is permanent.

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    • Bischof says

      “Just studying the promo. I have a feeling I know who dies. I also have a feeling that we’re being cheated – as the death is most likely to occur in this post-apocalyptic version of Fringe.”

      Or maybe Peter chooses to change the future and that causes another death as a collateral damage…

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  39. nora says

    Did anyone notice that when Peter had the flashbacks before entering the machine, there were pictures he normally couldn’t remember? First a memory of falling into the icy lake when he wanted to go home, then one of the child Olivia possibly in the field of tulips. And the note on the envelope – it’s like he remembered he has done that before. The coin – in the end of the first season, he told Walter, he can’t remember collecting coins. It was after Walter found the silver dollar in the lake house – There’s more than one of everything. It seems to me that he can now remember his childhood.

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    • Red licorice says

      In the second “flashback montage” there’s an image from “Brown Betty” (Olivia singing “For once in my life”). How is it possible?!?! That didn’t really happened…Wasn’t it a tale made by Walter under the effects of the drugs?!?!
      And there’s also an image of “Projection Peter” kissing Olivia over there (when she still believed to be Fauxlivia in “The plateau”). Something’s not quite right…

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      • g33k says

        Maybe they picked up more from each other’s heads during that collective LSD trip then each of them realizes? Peter could be ‘confused’ from trying to enter the machine because it might be making him think on other levels that he’s not quite able to put together yet?

        It makes me think of the early S1 ep, I think its called the Arrival, the one with the beacon. Where the guy who tortures Peter gets information from his head without Peter knowing he knows it.

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      • FinChase says

        We assume that those images were flashing through Peter’s mind, but perhaps it was really the unknown Fringe “narrator” that Roco talks about so much reminding us of all that has led us to this point. I sort of got that feeling it from it–that we were seeing that all of this had been building to this moment.

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  40. OldSchoolGHfan says

    2 more quick observations:
    – The dramatic reason for Peter’s brain scramble? He is starting to remember more of his life in the red universe and now he is going into the machine with his brain still a little scrambled. This could impact the future he is seeing and ulimately what universe he chooses
    – Notice he did NOT tell Olivia that the loved her too. Reason? His mind is STILL not completely made up about which Olivia he would choose

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    • Still Real1 ! says

      Well , if Olivia may die … who can prepare the machine to let Peter use it ? the drawing had Olivia’s pic not Faux , so i don’t think it’s the choosing of Olivia which let the universe survive .

      Olivia has a mind controlling , when Peter did enter the machine he was thinking of Olivia and by the last scene where Olivia did look to Peter who’s not saying that Olivia was connecting to Peter’s mind and told him to save also the red universe not only the blue ?

      Yes Peter didn’t say I love you .. but he did it .. he was thinking of her and maybe he will say it in the last episode .. i really will hate it if after all this deepness emotions and feelings .. they are going to break every thing between these tow .

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      • AG says

        or he has already forseen the future knew that he and olivia would be married and probably say i love you every day.

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    • AG says

      Yes, i did notice peter didn’t say anything back. so rude or at least say thank you ;) my guess is he might thought he was gonna die, he didnt want olivia burden his love if he told her he loved her too and made her suffer again. or he’ll say it after he save our universe.

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      • hello says

        he didn’t say it back because he kissed her back !
        whe did Peter ever said I love you to anyonce? I mean we all know he loves Walter,but when did we ever heard him say that? for me if he said it it would have been Out of character.

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        • Wikiaddicted723 says

          exactly my opinion.
          Communication between these two has almost always been non- verbal in its majority, so why would that change? besides I think it was Olivia’s way of saying “goodbye”, sort of a “you can’t die without knowing I love you” moment because she really is afraid of loosing him, not knowing what the machine might do to him, and I think Peter doesn’t want to say goodbye to her, so he lets her know he feels the same way by kissing her. and Olivias smile after sort of assured me that she KNOWS he loves her back, she didn’t seem disappointed that he didn’t verbalize anything. but that’s just me.

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        • alexis says

          not good enough! a kiss after an “i love you” is an easy way to avoid saying it back!!!! very disturbing! one thing is that their communication leaves much to be desired and sth very different is that when she opens her heart to him he doesn’t do the same… didn’t feel right that he didn’t say it back

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      • alexis says

        “or at least say thank you ;)” rotfl. that’s so mean! “thank you dear, very nice of you”

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    • mlj102 says

      “Notice he did NOT tell Olivia that the loved her too. Reason? His mind is STILL not completely made up about which Olivia he would choose”

      I think people are making too big a deal of the fact that Peter didn’t say “I love you” after Olivia said it. It’s unnecessary and I don’t think it means anything… certainly not that Peter still has reservations about which Olivia he truly loves. You don’t have to actually say the words to convey the meaning. It was unspoken, but it was there.

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      • Dessy says

        the way he reacted after she said it made it seem like they’d said it to each other before that moment

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        • says

          I agree.
          I mean it’s not like Peter committed relationship suicide. He didn’t say the L word, but he did plant a big kiss on her just like Bogie did to Bergman in Casablanca. The chemistry was there.

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  41. AG says

    Ok, so this is my personal idea of what is going to happen on the finale. Walternate heard from brandonate that his machine got shut off and figured out what was going to happen (his universe is going to be destroyed), so he transported himself over to our universe and revenge peter. that’s why he said to peter, you destroyed my universe, now i am going to destroy your. i suspect when he said peter’s universe, it probably mean peter’s family or at least at the beginning of his revenge. I thnk he set up a trap or some sort killed Olivia. remember the scene that peter touching olivia’s drawing picture on a frig all sad? it’s the drawing appeared to be peter, olivia, and a little girl(their daughter). and in the river scene, peter touch a coffin, with all government official there, it’s gota be a funeral for a federal agent, nina, broyles, walter were all there. but typical JJ abrams show, i doubt anna torv is not coming back on S4. just my 2cents.

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    • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

      When Peter was all scrambled in his brain after Walter & Olivia found him, he DID look at Olivia like he was kinda shocked to see her…..alive?

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      • says

        I cannot help but think that they want us to believe that Olivia dies, based on the preview…..and then they will throw us a curveball

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        • FinChase says

          I’ve wondered that too, since all the rumors and hints have pointed toward Olivia. However, sometimes Fringe can be very obvious about where it’s going, such as with the AltLivia pregnancy. With that I kept thinking, “No, surely they really aren’t going to go in that direction. They’re just trying to throw us off the track.” But they went there anyway. So, you never know.

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  42. KOs says

    hey, i just have one sudden thought~

    what do you guys think about the opening theme of the next episode? Will they change it like the blue/red versions before based on what universe the story is happening in?

    maybe a more futuristic opening theme i guess?? lol

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      • g33k says

        I wonder if we’ll have fake scientific concepts that have not yet been discovered on the screen that look like gobbledy-gook to us. Gendemics! Cerebellumvertising!

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        • William Bishop says

          Haha! It would be incredible to have the credits like this, the Fringe Sciences of the Future! And I would like that the color turned out to be a darker blue, or purple, showing the dark future that will happen.

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  43. says

    Couple of thoughts. I wonder if there is something beyond all the symbolism around Sept 11, the twin towers and the new tower in the last scene. I find it interesting that the Observer that is at the center of the Walter/Peter events is also called September. Is there one observer for each month of the year?

    My favorite scene was Olivia at the typewriter. Brought back so many memories of past episodes.

    When Peter was about to get into the machine, twice he had flashbacks or memories….they were all about our Olivia, not Altlivia, so I think his feelings are very clear.

    Also, in the scenes for next week Peter said that he had been to the future and seen the destruction. So I think he will come back to the BBM and know what he has to do to save their world.

    The most amazing thing is that this episode was not the season ending cliffhanger. If we got this type of “what the heck is that” from this episode, imagine what next week will be like :)

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    • M says

      He didn’t say he’s been to the future. He said he’s seen what the end of the world looks like. We all just saw that in the last two episodes.

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      • kira says

        I guess September (month) in some way is a marker, the show enters in September 9 and in some point Broyles tells Olivia that events like the Flight 627 had been happening at least 9 months ago. (or something like that)

        The ‘fringe events’ have a larger history, we know that now…

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  44. hsa says

    When did the big metaql badges worn at an angle by Oliva and Broyles appear? I noticed them in the Peter/Olivia walk to the Boom-boom machine scene. They used to show their FBI id cards in their wallets. What do they mean?

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  45. yourpique says

    And really? NO ONE else noticed the ‘Back to the Future’ reference by Sam Weiss…foreshadowing the time travel at the end of the episode?

    It was when he and Olivia were lifting the lid; Sam said “This is heavy.”

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  46. Ian Smyth says

    I did enjoy this episode, but at times it went much too fast. For instance, at one moment everyone and Sam are in the lab, then in the exact next scene Sam is shown standing outside of liberty island. The same goes for moving the machine. I felt like there wasn’t enough time to tell the story of this episode so each scene felt too rushed. I think their 3 episode story arc should have been a 4 story arc, and they could have dropped an episode like Concentrate and Ask Again.

    Because of the rushed scenes, I felt their was a lack of musical score for immediacy. That’s what this show needs to work on, its sense of “we need to do this now!” Lost had that sense because of all it’s fast paced, great music. I love Fringe’s music too, but they need some new scores for these completely new situations.

    I did love the Olivia and Peter typewriter moment, that was well done and well paced. And I did love the very ending too, except, again, the scene felt a little rushed and the music score could have been a little better (like in 6:02 AM when Peter tried to go into the machine, the music was brilliant there). However, the very final scene of this episode was mesmerizing and dazzling and made up for the rest of it.

    For The Day We Died and Season Four and beyond, I hope to see the producers convey certain emotions and feelings in scenes better then they are doing now. I want some faster, more immediate musical scores for episodes like The Last Sam Weiss, and I want better pacing, even if that means we lose a bit of character development.

    So far this episode trilogy has been interesting, but at times has had trouble trying to show what they want to viewers to feel. I think The Day We Died will change that, though.

    My ratings:
    6:02 AM – 8/10
    The Last Sam Weiss – 8/10

    Trilogy so far – 8/10

    Lets hope the Day We Died is a 10/10 episode and brings my trilogy rating to 9/10 :)

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  47. Solis says

    Hilarius Episode !!
    The last moments between Peter Olivia and Walter Left me speechless!

    I couldn’t believe it but I literally started shivering when Peter put his second arm into the machine.

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  48. Mtm says

    I have some random thoughts that I can’t quite put together.

    What if what Peter is shown a future that has already happened? If the BBM is showing him what ultimately led him to ask help from the observers? Maybe he had come to realize that the world was going over the edge and he had to do something to correct it and the observers solution was to send him back in time but to make sure that his memories were wiped as not to interfere and influence the outcome too much and thus he had to live his childhood and season 1-3 again to reach a point when he entered the BBM a second time and hopefully could alter the outcome.
    And I thought he looked shocked when he saw Olivia and Walter, rather than amnesiac. Maybe the electrical charge by BBM had jolted some of his future memories loose and it took him a while to adjust his behaviour to match his present self’s behaviour.

    Sorry for the long stream of thoughts, I’m just bursting with all the little hints and questions!

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    • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

      Yeah I thought that too, like Peter hadn’t seen them in quite awhile (esp Olivia, which makes me wonder…) and “OMG here they are?!?!? What the H is going on!”

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  49. kidentropia says

    that scene when peter is walking out to the terrace in the hospital, while the city is being bombarded with absolutely devastating lightings of inexorable doom? beautiful. incredibly powerful.

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  50. EE says

    Well,to sum the ep. up quickly:mind-blowing
    I really don’t think we’ve seen the last of Sam,the scene with him at the Liberty island suggests that he still knows things that he didn’t bother sharing.And there’s still the “don’t trust Sam Weiss” massage,i mean this episode didn’t give us anything why we should’nt trust him so…
    Peter being\seeing in the future,oh god.For some reason i’ve got the feeling we’ll have the best season finale yet. And then we’re gonna have a very frustrating summer :D

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  51. Dessy says

    When Peter is entering the machine, they show flashbacks. Him thinking of Walter and Olivia. But they showed the scene in ‘the Plateau’ where Projection Peter kisses Olivia and the scene in Subject 13 where a young him looks back at a young Olivia.

    How is that possible? Peter isn’t supposed to remember anything about when he was a kid, and he technically wasn’t even there in the kiss scene. Did she tell him? Or did he somehow find out when he was in her mind?

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    • Darth Kate says

      i thought that was odd as well. it may have just been a dramatic retrospective for the viewers rather than peter’s thoughts, because this is essentially what the whole show has been leading up to so far.

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    • Frenchie says

      Peter was remembering a lot of his childhood this episode (coin, “I’m going home”, etc.).

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    • Peanut says

      I think that it was DeadBluePeter who was the coin collector although both Peters could do the coin trick. If so, then Peter is somehow remembering his own & his alt’s memories. Maybe he needs to be dropped on his head more often?

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  52. Sagacity says

    I think Sam’s meddiling was like he was casting spells. 1) When He and Olivia were discussing opening the book he started staring at his fingers and moved them. The “Boom” Oliva just stumbled on the exact way to open it. 2) When they were in Walter’s Lab, Sam moved his hands a particular way and that moment Walter figure out what the drawing was depicting. I thinks Sam is a Guardian Angel of some sort.

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  53. Red licorice says

    Have you noticed that Peter and Olivia simply accept the fact that there are drawings of them made by who knows who or who knows when??
    I mean…when in Alias Sydney discovers the Page 47 with her picture, she didn’t accept it so lightly…and for YEARS she always says that the woman in the picture might not be her. It could be her mother…
    So why in Fringe they never question the fact that it’s THEM in the picture and not someone else…like, for example, an ALTERNATE VERSION of themselves (since we know that THERE’S MORE THAN ONE OF EVERYTHING)??. And why they never take a moment to investigate WHO the author of the drawings might be???
    Am I the only one here bothered by that??

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    • Sofia says

      I think that’s because the world was ending. So they had no time for over think about this, they just need to try something and without other option, they followed the drawing.

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    • alexis says

      “Have you noticed that Peter and Olivia simply accept the fact that there are drawings of them made by who knows who or who knows when??”

      yep, it’s a bit frustrating. reminds me of lost and how everyone had too many little questions. it got on my nerves all the time!!! lol. they just accepted everyone’s secrecy and scarce answers!

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  54. KLA says

    UH, was Peter wearing a ring in the end?? I think so. Does that mean that he is married to Olivia in the future??

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  55. kira says

    Good chapter, sure there are still some questions without answer.
    One of the things that I find strange is, Why Sam seems so amused with all the situation? in the previous chapter his worry was evident.
    But now, finding himself in a quest next to Olivia, all of sudden things are very hilarious. :/ (the same when they are in the lab).
    Seems that he’s backtracking from the things he said to Olivia. e.g. about barely remembering his childhood; and now he started to tell some anecdot about how his father took him to the museum many times and how boring was.
    Very strange, misleading behaviour!.

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    • Schwakamole says

      The way I see Sam, he may still be a decendant of the First People (as mlj suggested). He did mention one of his ancestors interacting with a mastadon (if I remember correctly…I’ve only watched it once and was taking it all in). So he probably does have a longer life span. But the way he said that generations of knowledge had been bestowed on him made me think that not much has happened in his life until now. Of all his ancestors who have known of the book and the prophecies, HE is the one that gets to see it all come to fruition. Yes, he’s concerned about what’s happening and the timeline and not quite knowing what to do (he is, after all, the last sam weiss) but at the same time I’m sure it’s totally cool to be seeing all the stuff coming true, the crowbar, the Olivia prophesy, etc. He gets to live the stuff that generations before him were spending their lives preparing for.

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      • kira says

        Yes, I thought of that too.
        Him being able to witness the end of the universe (blue or red),
        And how can be lonely to live with that knowledge, and be alert of people who could make a bad use of the information, whether you’re a ‘First People’ (descendant) or a more simple human. But I still find odd the timing of his amusement.
        May be that even with his ‘interference’ he found relief and hope in the person of Olivia.
        I hope this isn’t his last appearance. Great acting of Kevin Corrigan!

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    • says

      There is no question that the guy has a dry sense of humor. Remember the way that he helped Olivia work through the headaches and symptoms from being over-there. And the line to the curator about being a Patron member for a few decades. He is the comic relief in the midst of crisis…sort of like when Walter eats red licorice with his hands covered in blood.

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  56. Schwakamole says

    I want to know why they included the parts where Peter was confused, thinking he was in New York, the pawn shop wasn’t where he thought it was, getting the coin, and then wanting to see his dad, the secretary. They don’t include those things for no reason. I think that his future was leaking into his consciousness. He’s never spent a lot of time in New York, so how would he know where a particular pawn shop was. And even though he had an apartment in New York Over There, he wasn’t there more than a day or two, and someone above mentioned it wasn’t even at 42nd and Lex. So was he thinking he was in the future at that point? Because when he saw Olivia and Walter in his brown sweater, he did look shocked, like he was suddenly seeing a distant memory. And right before he stepped into the BBM, all the flashbacks seemed to me that he was wanting to seal everything into his memory so that he wouldn’t lose it. Vewy intwesting!

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    • fedorafadares says

      I like these ideas.

      I keep coming back to multiple realities all happening at the same time, like the Observer said, and Peter’s realities were bleeding together. Nice, Schwack!

      And creating a mental time capsule of Olivia is sweet and sad. I wonder if a previously saved Olivia capsule is what led Peter to be so attracted to Olivia right from the start? A little subliminal preprorgamming, perhaps?

      Great theory.

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    • g33k says

      Yes to everything Swackamole said and more!
      My extra two questions:
      1) What was the super important message that Peter wanted to tell his father, the Secretary of Defense. He never said it to Walter. I think that’s important.
      2) How did he know his favorite coin was in a pawn shop? In new york? And he seemed to pick a specific coin. I tried to pause and look at the coin on a rewatch, I think there may have been a walking figure on it. I think his favorite coin from when he was a kid was some strange walking lady of liberty figure that is different from dead blue Peter’s over here version (S1’s more than one of everything). Was it the EXACT same coin?

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      • Peanut says

        It might not have been the same coin–maybe Peter had pawned the coin previously (but why in New York?). The logical place to find a coin would have been in a coin shop, not a pawn shop. I believe that Walter gave him a coin that they found at the beach house. During the trip from the beach to Reiden Lake, Walter “remembers” that Peter collected coins as a child while he was ill. Peter said that he didn’t remember that. Evidently, Walter was remembering DeadBluePeter’s being a coin collector–now Red Peter/Peter(nate) is “remembering” BluePeter’s memories? He tells the pawn-shop guy that he collected coins as a child.

        Walter put a coin on DeadBluePeter’s grave–I wonder if Walter thought that Peter’s was the same coin? Peter said that it brought him good luck or something like that–not so lucky for DeadBluePeter though. Whatever message he had for Walternate must have had something to do with the coin because he detours to get the coin before rushing to try to see Walternate.

        Something symbolic that it is a Walking Liberty half-dollar?

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        • g33k says

          “Evidently, Walter was remembering DeadBluePeter’s being a coin collector–now Red Peter/Peter(nate) is “remembering” BluePeter’s memories? ”
          They both collected coins as children, and we know from the episode “Peter” that our Peter was taken over here with his lucky coin that Eliznate gave back to him right before Walter took him to be cured. Blue Peter gave Walter his coin before he died and that could be the coin that ended up on top of the diz-ray box that Walter found in S1 ep20, and looks like its the one that he placed on top of Blue Peter’s grave in the same episode because it looks just as tarnished.

          “Something symbolic that it is a Walking Liberty half-dollar?”
          I don’t know if each coin had different designs in different universes. I’m wondering if they can be identified so we can know if the one Peter bought in the pawn shop is Blue Peter’s favorite coin or our Red Peter’s favorite coin. From pausing my PVR and looking at what a regular one looks like, I think it’s Red Peter’s, because it’s fuzzy on screen, but it looks different to me (To me it almost looks like the walking liberty is dressed different, like the figure is in pants instead of a dress because you can see the 2 legs clearly, but I’m not sure.)

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          • Peanut says

            Red Peter did the coin trick, but I don’t remember him collecting coins as Blue Peter did, according to Walter–&, in fact, Peter(nate) said that he didn’t remember collecting coins as a boy. Of course, it could just be his bad memory?!

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            • Peanut says

              Maybe the Walking Liberty is meant to refer to the Statue of Liberty, where both BBMs are now located?

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    • says

      “I think that his future was leaking into his consciousness.”

      It could certainly explain why he thought he was in NY at the time. He saw the lightning, all of the burn victims and thought he was in the middle of the dystopia “reality” we saw him in at the end of the episode.

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  57. M says

    When Peter got in the machine and jumped forward 15 years, it reminded me Ocarina of Time. Link picks up the master sword and is instantly transported 7 years into the future.

    On another note, the coin subplot seemed really important. I wonder what that was all about, how it relates to the machine, and whatever is happening to Peter.

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    • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

      Walter also asked him where he got that coin, rather angrily I thought almost like he was speaking to a child. And then it was forgotten. Did Peter put it in his pocket & then enter the machine? Will it play a part in things? Was it a totem, like in Inception?

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    • Dylan says

      hmm…perhaps it’s the coin that September gave to Walter in ‘There’s more than one of everything”?

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      • nora says

        It can’t be. It was a coin from the other side. I think it was what Eliznate gave Peter before Walter kidnapped him.

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        • Dylan says

          ah, but it was never revealed whether the coin the Observer had was the one Elizabeth showed Peter in ‘Peter’. It’s simply the same make.

          It’s very possible that the coin the Observer had, he gets off Peter in next week’s episode. That would explain Walter’s reaction to seeing it.

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  58. Jackson Heights says

    I wonder if Peter is Roco’s elusive “Narrator” and that is why in his flashbacks he could see scenes in which he was not present.

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  59. Dylan says

    Just finished my rewatch, and the episode was a lot better for me the second time around. The first act is still much stronger than the second and third.

    One problem that stuck was how, as the episode went further along, the scale reduced. A few things like having scenes at Massive Dynamic as opposed to Walter’s lab, having vortexes actually open up (it’s bizzare how it started with vortexes and now it’s storms, as if the damage has actually decreased as more time has past), and perhaps seeing more of the other side (or seeing their machine on) would have helped to either increase or maintain the scale of events.

    Still not comfortable with how much time was spent on Peter’s confusion, and then how quickly it was resolved.

    Lack of Nina, and again Massive Dynamic.

    No mass evacuations (I think this event might have just been the kind of thing in which to alert the government to the possibility of global destruction, and evacuate New York in the many hours it took to move the machine).

    I’m not entirely sure how I feel about the ending. Next week will ultimately decide. But I think the finale would have been better as an actual third act to these events as opposed to an extended-flashforward of the future. That kind of thing is usually looked at in the running to the finale, not in the finale itself.

    We’ll see, but those are my final thoughts.

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    • NinFringie says

      I have a feeling Peter’s confusion will have more relevance as the mythology progresses. Now that the show seems to be delving into time travelling, what if the confusion isn’t just caused by his interaction with the BBM but actually a “hiccup” to his time travelling nature? Yes, I’m on exploring the possibility that Peter is a jumper, just like how i see the First People (and maybe Observers) now.

      I’m quite hoping the relevance of acquiring that coin and the confusion itself come into play by the end of the show’s three-part finale. If not, it’s okay, i can take whatever Fringe awesome writers will serve me. :)

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      • Dylan says

        I hope so.

        That coin business has me wondering if it’s the exact one the Observer gave Walter in ‘There’s more than one of everything”.

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  60. Dylan says

    And is it just me, or does Peter at the end look like his character did in ‘Brown Betty’? Even Olivia looks like hers in next week’s promo.

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  61. Dylan says

    btw Peter’s future-vision confused me. Since he was recognized, he obviously got out from the machine.

    But if his consciousness has just been thrown to this point in time, who’s been driving Peter for all those years?

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    • still Real1 ! says

      It’s look like he is living long time ago and every time he is destroying one universe … and it’s look like he is part of a machine .. as if he is not human at all ! i don’t know really why Bell couldn’t live in a computer after all , if Peter can live in the machine and he is part of it , bell can live in computer too :P

      and WHY the machine was build for Peter in the first place ? but to let Peter inter the machine he needs Olivia … which mean .. Olivia is the one who can stop Peter from doing any thing , Olivia can control the machine and switch it off … so why peter did enter the machine ?

      the red machine was activated by a half DNA of Peter , Olivia with her mind switched off so Peter can enter the blue machine .. WHY to enter the machine now ???????????

      I have another thing for the time … Olivia said to Sam since 32 hours the machine is activated , Walter said the Peter was out since 10 hours !!!!! HOW ????????????????

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      • Tammy says

        First, Olivia doesn’t turn the machine off or on…she is the “in case of emergency do this” plan.

        As for why the machine was built for Peter, goood question. I hope they tell us soon…its getting me eager.

        Also, the machine turned on before Peter went in…soo the machine turning on and how long Peter was in the hospital makes sense…

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        • still Real1 ! says

          Actually Tammy , the Sam family were protecting the crowbar and they don’t want from any one to know this crowbar to protect what in side it , the crowbar had Olivia and Peter in the machine .. and you can see there is a triangle between Olivia and Peter and ???? maybe God ? .. so Olivia and Peter can create together a universes . just as Adam and Eve ,

          Sam point of view it’s not the right time to switch on the machine ! there is something wrong .. the goood question is .. what it is the right time that Sam is believing in it ? same with the observers they were talking about the time ? , any way for Sam in case of emergency .. break the glass = reveal the crowbar which is Olivia .

          I think both machines are for Olivia and Peter .. not for Peter only , one for Peter other one for Olivia to create worlds and that’s a gift from God to save human . but if Peter will use it without Olivia using the other machine .. then one universe will be destroyed .

          I am not sure but that’s make sense and can give a very strong story line , it’s just a theory .

          So Olivia can control the machine over there from over here and the machine responded to her cuz the machine did recognize her vibrations wave as the machine recognized Peter’s DNA , and how’s going to stop it = Olivia .. because she has a strong and deep waves .. God gave it to her , so it’s both .. Peter and Olivia together .

          :)

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  62. Dylan says

    Totally forgot Sam’s little speech at the beginning. Certainly interesting;

    “[the machine]’s frustrated, in a manner of speaking. That’s why you’re seeing all this damage out in the world. It’s not a doomsday device , but it’s acting like one.”

    I would really like to know what precisely happens to the world when one of these machines is properly activated (as in, it actually is the thing it’s pretending to be).

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  63. Dylan says

    Sam; “This machine was built for Peter”

    Now, it’s easy to over-analyze that, but to what degree was the machine built for Peter?

    Surely the First People had someone who could drive it.

    A good question to raise; did the First People actually ever activate the machine? Has the machine ever, in fact, been activated before?

    lol and who else finds it funny that the super-advanced race that existed millions of years before the dinosaurs, wrote down the entire history of their greatest technological achievement…on small, rolled-up pieces of paper?

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  64. M says

    Sam Weiss said this was all happening too soon. Perhaps Peter was sent forward in time to when the machine is supposed to be activated.

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  65. FinChase says

    I’ve been thinking about Olivia’s face in that manuscript and how it got there. Olivia, so we are told, was “created” by Bell and Walter, insofar as her special powers are concerned. AltLivia, although she is obviously a strong, capable woman, does not have any of these special powers. So if this specially gifted version of Olivia was created, how could she have been prophesied, as it were, by the First People?

    There are two possible explanations that have occurred to me:

    1) The First People did foresee her in advance, and and that her her path (not to mention that of her parents and Walter and Bell) would flow naturally to the point that she would be treated with Cortexiphan.

    2) The First People did not foresee Olivia specifically at all, only that there would be a person with the power to be that “crowbar”. (Couldn’t the writers have come up with a better name for her?! Not flattering for a woman!) That person would be the one with the determination to find and open that box at the proper time. Roco often talks about Olivia unconsciously making things happen with her mind. Perhaps her own mind put her image in that manuscript because she was the “one”.

    Of the two ideas, I find the second to be the most interesting, but I doubt we’ll ever know for sure.

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    • fedorafadares says

      Interesting ideas about Olivia and the prophecy. I’d like to add another few:

      Maybe Bell or Bishop were First People — Bell seemed to be omniscient and Bishop’s memory is faulty, so who knows?

      Or Walter has also “time traveled,” in a sense, but doesn’t remember that he has. He did tell Olivia that whoever drew that picture “knew what he knew,” that Olivia doesn’t fail.

      I’m all about the idea that things are happening all at once these days!

      And I agree, it’s crummy to call Olivia a crowbar. And that was after Bell referred to her as the doorstop. Geesh.

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      • says

        When you put it like that, then yes, crowbar and doorstop are very demeaning and diminish Olivia’s worth. Geesh is right !

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      • FinChase says

        Oh, I forgot about the doorstop! Poor Olivia! The most flattering thing she’s been called is the gatekeeper.

        That’s an interesting idea about Bell and Walter being First People. I could especially see that with Bell.

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    • NinFringie says

      What if “The First People” aren’t first people at all — they are Jumpers/ time travelers who have seen the past and future and in now in the mission to preserve or change the future by “setting things in motion”, but not actually controlling the present?

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    • still Real1 ! says

      William Bell said to Olivia in s2ep4 that he had a natural talent , and Walter is assuring this in this episode by saying to her that she had these abilities inside her and without taking more cortixophan , so it’s Olivia’s soul and natural which make her who she is .

      Sam was protecting Olivia in my opinion , now am going back to doubt Nina ! Sam said to her that he is not sure if Peter will choose Olivia , which mean he was protecting Olivia in case that Nina will inform the other side that the machine will work depend on which Olivia Peter will choose and not sure if it will be Olivia .

      Sam doesn’t want to reveal the last key because it’s not the right time for the machine , and he was knowing that Olivia is the key but he was acting as if he doesn’t know .

      The one which draw that Peter is connecting to the machine is the same one which draw Olivia but he/he kept Olivia’s draw as a secret to protect her .

      It’s not Peter alone or Olivia alone … it’s both of them together .

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  66. Dylan says

    I’m still waiting for them to explain the meaning behind the machine component Fauxlivia stole from our universe.

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  67. rider on the storm says

    Well… I LOVE this show from minute one and have seen every ep at least 5 times. Also, I think everyone does a great job, but please don’t kill me for what I have to say now:

    I always tend to be disappointed in the season finales though I generelly love the very promising season arcs.

    So here’s my two cents:

    I was very disappointed that the coolest character ever introduced, SAM WEISS, turned out to be a guy who doesn’t know anything!!! :( They just needed him only to provide another “page 47!!!” (Those of you who watched Alias will know what I mean. So was Rambaldi one of the first people or what? ;).

    Okay… next Friday there will be Observers! YAY! Hope, those guys will give us some answers.

    I’m having to go with the thought that the glyphs will probably say multiVERSE, although I thought that I read a spoiler-interview somewhere where the writers said that there’s not gonna be more universes??? So it looks like in Peter’s vision of the future the universes merged somehow… To be honest. I don’t know where they are taking us anymore. I’m kinda lost. But I guess that’s a good thing. But if it turns out, seasons 1-3 in the blue universe never happened or something like that, then I will be very mad.

    I’m not so thrilled, however, seeing a future and/or parallel possible alternate timeline/version. But I guess that this is part of the grander scheme of things that the observers show Peter all MULTIPLE possibilities and repercussions before he chooses which side to save. Remember what NINA said to SAM? Not to worry, he will choose our Olivia and Sam said, he wouldn’t be so sure of that? I thought that was a key sentence and imho that’s the real reason why Peter flashbacked before putting his arms into the machine. He eyelocked on Olivia in order to remember this side. Also… I think, that he got “confused” after he woke up in the hospital was not just for nothing. I think, the machine turned on from the other side affected Peter in the way that he first thought that he belonged to the other side or something.

    Well… I CAN’T WAIT TILL FRIDAY!!!!!!!

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    • still Real1 ! says

      I like what you are saying :)

      “””He eyelocked on Olivia in order to remember this side.”””

      Well , i think that is reference for ” when he looked in to her eyes he knew that it wasn’t her ” and for ” I can see it in your eyes you are not her ” .

      I think Peter will have a new memory from Walternate , Walternate will convience him that he was living in his side and the blue were trying to destroy the red and Fauxlivia is his love life and has a son with her , and Olivia was trying to be Fauxlivia !!!

      So Peter will live in with Fauxlivia , he will be brainwashing , but the real him will recognize Olivia when she will come back for him ,

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      • rider on the storm says

        yay ;) and he’ll tell her after: “This time, I knew it wasn’t you ;)”

        beats the missing “I love you, too.” from this ep.

        But somehow I doubt that it will be this simple.

        And I also doubt that Peter will choose a side at all. Because – as everyone keeps telling us – THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER WAY ;)

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        • still Real1 ! says

          Actually it’s only Olivia and Peter who are saying there must be an other way .

          Olivia promised AltBroyles to find a way to heal both universes and for that AltBroyles sacrificed himself in order to save Olivia and believe in hope .

          Peter said to Altolivia that there must be another way right ? ,

          By the facts of this episode .. both Olivia and Peter are connecting to the machine , Olivia has the ability to control the machine from over here to over there , who’s not saying that she can also know and see what Peter is seeing in the machine ? .. So both .. Peter and Olivia are seeing what will happen next …. and together they can find a way to save both universe … but according to what’s in the promo … i don’t know how that will match with Olivia’s promise and Peter’s hope to find another way .

          Maybe the other way is to transfer the red people to live in the blue ?

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  68. Charlie says

    This is what I hypothese…in the future Peter realizes that there is a need for a Machine to help fix the Universes…so he asks the Observers to help him defeat Walernate and they build the BBM (as stated the writting is similar) …so the Observers take the Machine piece by piece into the past and bury it…create the Number Stations…and create the Manuscript from which the First People are based on…there may not be any First People, it all may be a ruse to cover up the trips from the future…because it seems the Observers are looking for a certain event, the one that started the end of the world…they found it with Peter crossing over from Red to Blue…so that may explain why only Peter can operate the Machine, because he made it for himself…and if Olivia dies this week, that may also be part of the plan to save her and why she is connected to the Machine…but things did not work out like they planned…(The use of Baby Henry’s DNA)…I think we are in for a wild ride…=)

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  69. augusta says

    I have to say I really loved this episode. I’ve been refraining from commenting over the past month or so because I’ve been feeling pretty negative about the eps lately. And the first time I watched this one, I was underwhelmed. But then I connected 6.02 with it somewhat, and watched it again… and damn. what a fantastic piece of work. I think I’m just super excited to the see the fams back together again. I’ve missed seeing Walter Olivia and Peter together. I had started to wonder (with all the faux switch/baby/bellivia stuff) if the writers had forgotten about the original relationships, and so it was nice to see them interacting, and it was nice to see their love for each other confirmed in the episode. I enjoyed the growth shown in their understanding and feelings for each other. And even Astrid got a chance to shine — I was so happy to hear her tell Walter to get it together. For a while now, his response has been to give up automatically — it was great to see her jump start him. His response, and his change in behaviour from then on, almost made the Bellivia arc worth it…
    First time around, I was a little weirded out by Peter’s silence after Olivia’s declaration of love… but then I watched the second time on a better screen, and between the way he was looking at her, the kiss, and the memory montage, i think that they showed Peter’s love for Olivia very clearly. And that made my shipper heart glad, I admit. I appreciated Olivia saying it too because the writers seem to be making such a big deal about her inability to be vulnerable and emotional. In 6.02 she avoided Peter’s attempt to talk, but in this episode, she initiated it. And it almost seemed like, (the way he smiled when she said it), that Peter recognized that she had turned a corner in her struggles with her emotions.
    And of course Walter and Olivia — that scene was so beautiful. I really loved seeing Walter’s understanding of himself, and how it reflected on Olivia’s situation. The fact that he could recognize it and express it the way he did really showed how much he’s grown, and reminded me that he truly does care about Olivia.
    And about Sam — I’m totally expecting him to show up with more mystery. Olivia’s last words to him were something like “This isn’t over, Sam”. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of him and his cryptic ways. I did love seeing his goofy side though — good fun :). What a relief this episode was for me.

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  70. Tammy says

    Random thought. What if we’re going about the whole don’t trust Sam Weiss thing all wrong. Maybe he’s not the Sam Weiss we’re not supposed to trust. There were many before him. Maybe its them we shouldn’t be trusting.

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