FRINGE Episode 3.20 6:02 AM EST


ENORMOUS EVENTS OCCUR AS THE WORLDS OF “FRINGE” ARE IN JEOPARDY ON AN ALL-NEW “FRINGE” FRIDAY, APRIL 22, ON FOX

With only three episodes left this season, the beginning of the end is triggered when Walternate finds a way to wreak havoc “over here” in the all-new “6:02 AM EST” episode of FRINGE airing Friday, April 22 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR 3.20) (TV-14 L, V)

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth

Guest Cast: Kevin Corrigan as Sam Weiss; Ryan James McDonald as Alternate Brandon; Seth Gabel as Lincoln Lee; Matt Ellis as Ritchie; Jim Shield as Joe; Richard Ian Cox as Donnie; Jennifer Koenig as Nurse Gail.

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    • Page 48 says

      The haters are going to be pulling their hair out, but Altliv is ripe for redemption. It’s unfortunate it took her so long to get religion, but now that she’s thinking more clearly, I don’t have any trouble rooting for her.

      We’ve already seen Broylenate, Charlienate and Lincoln begin to come around, and I think we’ll see a greater contribution from those lads, as well as Altstrid. They’re Fringe Division, after all. Not a genocidal maniac among them as far as we know.

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  1. Frobz says

    Ok…great episode, but the previews for next week look mind bending. Timelines not right? And Walter is referencing the white tulip, the gift from a time-traveler? The Observers got some ‘splainin to do. I seem to recall the one interview with the Fringe producers where they say “yes” to the question of “Rogue Observers….”

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  2. M says

    It seemed like Sam Weiss was trying to escape to the other side. Also, Nina says she and Bell “trusted” him and Sam Weiss is telling Olivia to “trust” him. Aren’t we supposed to remember something, here?

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  3. Manny says

    The only bad part about this episode is I think its the last time we’ll see Lincoln or Charlie this season (or ever!). Bahhh.

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      • Manny says

        Hopefully, but they weren’t on the press release for either episode. Kinda sucks, I was hoping they would take part in what happens between the universes (like Fauxlivia trying to cross over) because of their discovery of what happened to Broyles and that they can’t really trust Walternate.

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  4. Nick says

    I’m leaning towards Astrid being the beloved team member thats killed off. If OUR universe is destroyed, I think somehow Peter/Olivia/Walter and Broyles will somehow end up over there, with Broyles filling in for Broylenate. That way, Jasika Nicole can still be in the show…but not as our beloved Astrid. Just a theory.

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    • kidentropia says

      i´m still not sure if whether astrid or broyles will die. i mean, tptb said a ´beloved team member´, which is as vague enough; they could still hurt one of the members of the holy fringe trinity, but that would be too much too early. what i´m inclined to think is: broyles dies (which would make his LSD badtrip all terribly heavy with precognition), then olivia takes his place as head of the fringe division, then astrid becomes a significantly more prominent agent instead of being wally´s extra cute über patient lab sidekick, and maybe lincolnfromoverhere will become part of our fringe division. walter will fade away for a little while, after all the stress he has been through, and peter and olivia will get married and have gazillions of babies.

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  5. cliff says

    pretty boring setup episode, especially since they put out like 4 previews of the scenes, and not much else happened. kind of a let down for me.

    but did anyone else see the shapeshifter’s embryo that we last saw in “The Man From the Other Side” in the secret lab that brandonate brought bolivia to? thought that was a nice touch.

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  6. William Bishop says

    That was amazing! First I give 8/10 since we saw both universes, there was a big develop from Sam and Nina conversation and the Peter-blasting (hater or not, that WAS funny) + 1 point due to Walternate’s quoting and character interaction + 1 since Sam Weiss’ (Seamus Wiles or whatever name you call him) secrets started to come out (what’s that equation, the bowling balls, everthing else?!), so yes, for me that was the Best Fringe Episode EVER!

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  7. Still Real1 ! says

    Is the machine upsetting from Peter because he couldn’t see the difference between the machine in the red and the machine in the blue so it rejected him :P:P:P:P:P:P :D

    Ok I was joking .

    It’s clear that the machine in the blue is not for this Peter .. or simply Peter needs Olivia in his side to let the machine work .. or Olivia who can let this machine work , the red machine is for Peter but the machine in the blue .. still mystery , yes it reacted to Peter just to let him bleeding . there something there .

    Walter .. Noble should be nominated for emmy .. definitely his talking with God .. oh my God .. it was priceless really . and the ironic is .. both fathers were letting their son to go in order to save their universe , Walter giving him up cuz he is thinking that God is punishing him for what he did , Walternat giving him up to save his universe because of what Walter did .

    NINA my fav CEO :) , how you can not trust Nina after this ? she was all anger and what did she say to New Olivia : i thought if you and Peter get together every thing will be ok ! .. well I think you are right Nina .. but there is something missing in there !

    Astroo and Broyles … you both are keeping Fringe fringe , Broyles is Broyles he is asking if Walter can give his son just cuz he want to know ! and Astroo the lovely Astroo .. she is good symbol for a good friend ( hug Nicole :) )

    Olivia ? new Olivia ?.. but it’s Olivia ….. hunted … thinking … and yes she hates goodbyes !! .. how lovely that scene where she kicked the door ? and how touching that scene where she left the lab and just looking in to Peter’s eyes as if it is just a simple case they were working on and she will call him from NY .. did she call ??

    Peter .. you are growing , William Bell will be proud ! you said to him that you will not go to that machine and Bell said to you .. it’s a fate , but really … I think maybe … Peter will change after this , good job Peter .. you hate goodbyes too ;)

    *Ehem* I really do appreciate AltBrandon !! he is seeing just one world which is theirs .. hummm , and here we go : your son is over there !!!! and Faux your son is over here are willing to give up your son because you want to go to PB trying to convince him to be back with you because he may change the sec’s mind ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    Are you kidding me Faux ???? you don’t think that the other side is going to protect their side too ? … if you that powerful why you couldn’t go to your machine in your side and try to re-steal the piece from it ? is it that much easier than crossing over ?

    And you are trying to let me think that faux has a brain ????

    Sam .. William Bell is trusting .. so I will trust you too !! you are the man and i will go with you .. there is no other choice …

    8/10

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    • KLA says

      Well said Still Real-1. And, you have a point about the machine. She would have been better trying to ruin it then trying to cross over. Lincoln better take care of Henry while she is in custody.

      I will say, however, that there was one minute moment when they were talking about how the machine was started over there that they looked at Peter, and for a second I though that he was thinking that maybe a baby was possible. I don’t know, but they way they focused on them make me suspicious.

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      • Still Real1 ! says

        I did think a little … now Faux’son can replace Peter .. and Faux can replace Olivia ? .. or it’s how the nature was seeking balance .. that we have Peter and Olivia in side .. Faux and her son on the other side .

        Please I hope for S4 that they will not again forcing the triangle … you just giving me more reasons that Faux is none sense HOW on earth she may hold any feelings for Peter while she was in love with Frank ? .. question about her loyalty in love ! … she loved someone in 2 months ? and now what ? will play on Lee as how she did with Frank ? oh please dear God nooooooo .

        If Peter will ever to think to spend any time with Faux under any circumstance .. he will never have my respect ! I hope that they are not going to do that really .. it will be torture to watch and awful .

        And for Lee …. lee is freezen to take care of PB’ bompy ???? isn’t he the head of the fringe division ? make him less important to give Faux a chance ????? unacceptable from my side !

        Olivia has Faux’s memory and personality , the idea of merge the 2 in 1 will have no meaning because that’s already done , we have a complete Olivia in my opinion and Faux is none sense ,

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      • Deneph says

        Yeah, I think Peter did have a quick suspicion about that as well. But he probably brushed that thought aside because he couldn’t have known about the pregnancy acceleration and therefore ruled it out. But yeah, he did sort of have a knowing look after Olivia asked how it could happen.

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  8. TheProphet says

    The title of the episode was 6:02 AM EST.

    And now the connection to The Book of Revelation.

    “I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.”
    - Rev 6:2

    This verse is in reference to the opening of the first of seven seals in Revelation. Walternate, the first of the four horsemen (traditionally riding across the sky in The Bible, or this instance causing the sky in our universe to signal the beginning of the end with the blight), and who was given a bow (the machine) and who has sole power of the Department of Defense in the alt world (given a crown), rides out as a conqueror bent on conquest (destruction) of our world

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  9. Hatch says

    So why no Red/Blue intro, a la “Entrada”? Minor complaint, but I was surprised they didn’t do it given the inter-cutting between the two universes.

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    • Hayley says

      HAHAHA that’s EXACTLY what I thought! It opened with the blue and when the music changed I was like “Aaaaand… RED!” but it didn’t change! I was so bummed! I like the blue/red titles, and they would have been justified here as you said, given the switching between universes.

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  10. Nika says

    So what exactly were those items Brandonate gave to Fauxlivia? They didn;t appear on Walternate trip to Our Side to take Peter back, nor did they appear when Fauxlivia was being brought back from Our Side to Over There. At least I think so.
    But if they are devices to travel between universes, she still has one more in her sleeve right? ;)

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    • Dylan says

      Apparently they were what Walternate used, but he still needed Newton to set everything up on our side so I can’t see those things working just on their own, unless they have a bloody good reason for it.

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      • jophan says

        They didn’t look quite like the harmonic rods used for Walternate’s crossing. I think they were a complete dummy, just some part of something else that was at hand. The problem with using coercion from a position of ignorance is that you don’t know if you’ve succeeded.

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        • Oscar says

          They SAID what those devices were: They were the devices also William Bell (yes! Bell! and an alarm bell should ring in our minds, if you don’t mind the joke…) used to travel between universes. Those devices that MD didn’t want to let Walter and Olivia use because they disrupt molecular cohesion of the object/person that travels this way. The same devices Bell used so many times that he became a ready-to-use atomic energy source… And NOW we know that even Walternate used that way of crossing over once: when he brought Peter Over There with him – so NOW we can answer that pending question: “How on earth did walternate just flash Peter Over There?!?”.

          As you can see, if people has enough patience, Fringe will answer all pending questions…

          ;-)

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            • Oscar says

              As the consequences of the crossing with this technique are the same of Bell’s one, we can reasonably presume – better: INFER – that also de devices are the same.

              Do you really think that the authors should explain everiting in detail and specify every obvious connection like this were a children-tageted show? The fun, in Fringe, is (also) given by the space they leave to the public exercising its deductive skills.

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  11. says

    Wow! Lots of stuff happening. Things being set up for this season finale in a huge way.
    We’ve seen Peternate getting hit, will he die? We’ve seen Altlivia getting in action, how will she escape? Will Brandonate get what he deserves, total desintegration in a very, very painfull way? The church windows reminded me a bit to the final scene in the chapel on ‘Lost’. Is Walter already in the afterlife without knowing it? And what about Nina? She was very stressed out this episode, and she was wearing her gloves again. Was she another version of Nina? Was this another universe? And then there is Sam Weiss. I think we can trust him. I really do. I also think it is him who bites the bullet (i.e. gets killed) in the season finale. The title ‘The Last Sam Weiss’ refers to it. Also, how will the rogue Observer(s) interact in this finale? Is December a rogue Observer? Will September intervene?

    I also still believe it’s “bye bye blue verse”. But there are more hints that red will not be the sole survivor.

    The only question i have at this time is: hów will we look back on S3 in a total different way?

    Will the ‘Seven Suns’ album by Violet Sedan Chair contain more clues for S4?
    What happened to the remains of Newton in the blue verse?
    Are there more shapeshifters that will become active on the blue side?
    Will we see (hear) William Bell again in S4?
    Will the yellow verse come into play?
    Will characters merge? At least some characters?
    Is the mythology larger than we see right now? Will afterlife be a hint?
    What is the relation between Sam Weiss and the Observer(s)?
    Will we get to see the Vacuum? Is Sam Weiss part of it?

    With 2 episodes to go, it only gets better. This episode certainly gave Fringe a kick in the right direction, actionwise. I’m very excited to wait and see what happens in 7 days (or 168 hours if you prefer).

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    • Dylan says

      Can only answer one thing for you there; the yellow universe will not come into play.

      The producers, in one of the more recent interviews, disqualified the introduction of any other universes in the foreseeable future. The story is about the two universes, and so must remain that way until that story’s finished.

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        • says

          Comes to mind after rewatching the episode:

          i think i know why the BBM hit Peter so hard. It’s the blueverse BBM and Peter is actually Peternate, so only the redverse BBM should be activated by him.

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          • Annette says

            Dylan, I should clarify. I believe the other universes will come into play at some point. And apparently that point will be next season, since the producers have said it won’t be now. I may be running down a muti-verse bunny trail – but I’m having fun.

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              • says

                A bit of extra information on my side: check the blueverse intro closely. You will notice the words “Parallel Universes”. The emphasis lies with the last letter.
                A multitude of universe. If it was only the red verse, it should state “Parallel Universe”. But it is plural. Mark my words.

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                • Dylan says

                  They are parallel to each other.

                  “Universes” – referring to the two, and “parallel”. The universes are parallel to each other, hence “parallel universes”.

                  It’s two or more existing universes that are parallel to one, another.

                  So, no. It doesn’t operate in the way you explained.

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    • Maddy says

      Not sure if this was another version of Nina; this was a stressed out Nina realizing things weren’t going the way she thought they would. As she said, Sam Weiss told her everything would be alright, as long as Peter and Olivia would be together. So I think she’s finally starting to realize the two worls will collide and her world might not survive.

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  12. Dylan says

    OMG that guy in the promo for next week at the end, when the electricity is flying everywhere – I think that’s Mr X!

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  13. Dylan says

    This plot-hole keeps bugging me…

    “Secretary Bishop, why don’t you get a blood sample from Peter while he’s over here?” “No”

    “Secretary Bishop, why don’t you instruct our Olivia to get a blood sample from Peter while she’s over there?” “No”

    “Secretary Bishop, why don’t you advance the unintentional-pregnancy of our Olivia Dunham, causing her to gestate and give birth within a day, take a blood sample of the baby, isolate the half of Peter’s genetic formula, and use it to activate the machine?” “What a great idea!”

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    • Still Real1 ! says

      Well said .

      I did post a long post from a while but am not seeing it posted , and when i try to re post it again it tells me that i have already posted that !!!!!!!

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        • Still Real1 ! says

          Here is some of what i did write !

          she want to go to PB trying to convince him to be back with her because he may change the sec’s mind ??????????????????????

          Are you kidding me Faux ???? you don’t think that the other side is going to protect their side too ? … if you that powerful why you couldn’t go to your machine in your side and try to re-steal the piece from it ? isn’t that much easier than crossing over ?

          And you are trying to let me think that faux has a brain ????

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    • Peanut says

      Assuming that Peter is really the child of Walternate & Red Liz–they would be able to reconstruct Peter’s DNA that way plus using the additional information from the baby’s DNA to determine what part of his parents’ DNA that Peter had inherited. Wouldn’t be 100 percent but would be a pretty high percentage (above 50 percent).

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      • Dylan says

        That’s of course also assuming that there hadn’t been any mutations or reproductive issues with the cells.

        Very possible (especially if they can grow a baby in a day). Although the alternatives are much easier.

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        • Still Real1 ! says

          Simply .. Walternate wasn’t knowing that Peter’s DNA will activate the machine :P but after Faux prgooo … and you know that this magic baby how changed his mother .. he did change also his grandfather’s mind and AltBrandon’s mind since he was still fetus !! .. how nice ?

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    • runthegamut says

      The acceleration was also to avoid whatever plot-convenient disease Faux carried that killed alternate Rachel and Ella. But yeah, it IS a disappointingly big hole.

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      • g33k says

        some thoughts:

        1st) isn’t it possible that the accelerated pregnancy didn’t just cure the VPE, but it could also have been Walternate’s opportunity to cure the disease that Peter had as a child without her knowing about it? And if Walternate still didn’t know how he cured Peter does that mean little Henry is going to be sick eventually?

        2nd) If the cure for that disease was genetically based and modified Peter’s DNA in some way in order to cure him, maybe that could be why Peter’s DNA couldn’t have simply been reconstituted from Walternate’s and Alt-Liv’s samples. I’m not sure how gene therapy works so I have no idea if what I said was correct or not. Plus I am assuming Peter’s cure WAS gene therapy.

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    • Annette says

      Am I missing something? Where did the drawing of Peter and the machine originate? And what is it about Peter’s DNA that causes the machine to react? When did Walternate find out about the machine? Was the machine the reason Walternate went to the blue verse for Peter. It seems as if he should have been able to cross universes earlier. The shape shifters had a way to return AltLivia to the red verse. You’d think Walter would have had them inject Peter with the devices and swapped Peter for someone of equal volume.

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      • Dylan says

        Both depictions (Walternate’s and ours) appears to be out of some book. But ours is a lot more detailed than Walternate’s, and his is in another language.

        Don’t know where he hot his depiction from.

        A better question is; how did both sides know how to put the machine together based on a drawing of the complete body? Also, how did Walternate learn where the pieces were?

        They have repeated about how risky traveling universes in the fashion is (they basically don’t want to end up like Bell in ‘Over There Part 2′). Walternate’s physical condition being what it is, and the mission to establish a connection over there, plus the two universes needing to be in sync, all add to the reason why Walternate did not travel over beforehand, and the same applies to how Fauxlivia got over and why they wouldn’t just do it to Peter (after all, it could damage whatever aspect of Peter powers the machine).

        Lots of questions for the show to answer. I don’t have my fingers crossed that we’ll have a lot of them answered. But just so long as I know what is going on, then I’ll make do.

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      • Oscar says

        For the relation between Peter’s DNA and the Machine, see the copy of the “profetic drawing” (“Alias” reference…) which is handled to Olivia by September: here the strange writing is replaced by a clear DNA sequence.

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        • Dylan says

          Noticed that the very first time to showed up; a,t,c,g.

          Still, how did they use the blood to activate the machine? Did they just…throw it at it?

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  14. Dylan says

    For the love of god I hope they don’t reveal this in the final episodes;

    “Sam, after seeing all the anagrams – what’s your real name?”
    “My real name? …..It’s Henry”

    bah!

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    • William Bishop says

      Haha! That would be frustating and funny at the same time! Now getting serious I would likw to know is Sam’s real name has some importance and “The Last Sam Weiss” has it’s implications.

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      • Annette says

        I think he’s the last in a line of many. Which would lead me to believe he will be the one to be killed. On another note, I think the plan was for Peter to use the machine first in the blue verse to bring restoration. But as Walternate started the machine first, we’re seeing restoration on his side, but at the cost of the other.

        Really, you can’t blame Walternate for his anger. Walter opened Pandora’s box and the red verse has suffered.

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        • Dylan says

          Only if it were the original peter or the depiction of this Peter using the other side’s machine.

          The strange thing is that the Observer’s handed Olivia a depiction of an event that would only come about if the two universes were aware of each other and at a conflict.

          Peter’s kidnapping and all the events involved, according to September, were not supposed to happen, and the Observers have been trying to correct everything ever since.

          So, the big question then is, what was originally supposed to happen? Were these two universes always meant to go to war with each other? And was everything always suppose to lead to these machines?

          Further note; If it was Peter’s fate to enter that machine, it’s funny when one considers that Walternate was meant to have cured Peter, but thanks to September, Walter had to.

          It’s funny because either Peter was supposed to use the other side’s machine or Walter was always, for whatever reason, supposed to steal Peter from the other side.

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            • William Bishop says

              I have another theory: The turn on of the Machine was meant to happen (I still don’t buy this “fate” thing) in anyway, even if September haven’t interrupted Walternate and let him cure Peter, Walter would be jealous and missing his son, so he would steal Peter, what September did was “simply” create another path leading to the same result (so he was the one responsible for Bobby’s death!), but in the end what did change everything was Walternate turning on the Machine first.

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  15. nathan says

    It will be interesting to see where this goes. I guess Walternate was more thinking his son would be happy he was ‘rescued’ – and not expecting him to leave back to the blueverse. He was trying to work out the machine when he was there. Peter left abruptly which left Walternate the only option (when it presented itself) to take the blood and try that.

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      • LMH says

        Had a perfect opportunity when she drugged him in Entrada. I thought that’s what she was doing, but alas, no. The pregnancy appeared to not be part of the plan (according to hints in conversations b/w Walternate and AltBrandon), and I can see why he would use the situation to his advantage now. What I can’t see is how taking Peter’s blood when he had an agent shadowing him 24/7, sedative in hand, never crossed his mind.

        This is one of the bigger doughnut holes in the plot. Oh well, I still love you Fringe, and this episode was really good!

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          • LoveFringebutWhoothePlotHoles says

            Let me state firmly that I LOVE the show and will follow it to the end. BUT, there are BIG plot holes everywhere you look. In addition to the ones you have stated above, just in recent episodes there have been:
            - Why no conversation between Olivia possessed Bell and Nina? Holy crap! Considering how close they were you think they would have given them at least 5 minutes
            - Why no follow-up on Olivia’s discovery of Peter’s shapeshifter killing spree? HOLY CRAP! They wasted a whole episode just looking for him and she doesn’t say ANYTHING to him about it.

            There are plenty more, to be sure, as the mythos of the show runs deep and has plenty of twists and contradictions.
            Still, this sloppiness kind of dulls the shine of the genius of Fringe.

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        • Oscar says

          We know (Sam Weiss told us) that there should be an emotional connection between the user of the Machine and one of the Universes – the one to be healed. Peter has now his stronger emotional connection with Olivia. The baby Hanry stronger (better: unique) emotional connection is with his mother, Altlivia, from Over There.
          BUT they can’t use a two-weeks-old baby into the Machine, so they use only his (depurated: why? This is the big question, according to me) blood, but this can’t work like a whole person, so Walternate didn’t get the immediate healing he expected.

          Just a supposition, but at least it’s coherent with teh information we already have.

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          • Dylan says

            The machine requires as conscious driver though, not a pile of blood. So I don’t really even get how it’s operating.

            And how did they use the blood to operate it anyway? Did they just…throw it at the machine?

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    • Still Real1 ! says

      Am not going to deny that i said OMG ! .. but after that i said .. how smarts are the writers .. it’s not over to let the machine stop :) , but I am sure he will survive ….

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      • KLA says

        He probably will survive, but I wonder if he will be further damaged because of the extent of that jolt. I don’t want him to become that ruthless Darth Peter killing machine.

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        • hello says

          well, the nxt episode preview is scaring me , there is definetly something wrong , I bet something happened to him .

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      • hello says

        true! the writers keep amazing us !
        the scene kind of reminded me of olivia in “A new day in the Old town” .
        oh hell ! those two , what a heartbreaking couple !

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        • Dylan says

          At 0.14 seconds is Olivia talking about how believing in something doesn’t make it true.

          I’ve checked, and re-checked the promo, the only glimpses you see of Peter are him, unconscious (at one point with Walter looking over him), and him waking up.

          There’s no bit with him standing.

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            • hello says

              @Dylan there is a shot with the back of peter at 0:14 and 0:15 , definetly him . and I’m sure because I saw some pic frome the filming of that scene.

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              • Dylan says

                It doesn’t look like him, though. You’d have to send the link to the picture.

                Note: Be careful mentioning things like that though, because given that Peter is in a hospital bed unconscious revealing that he is the one in that scene could be considered a spoiler.

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  16. Sofia says

    Well, I loved this Fringe episode, but have a couple of things that bothered me:
    1- Where’s Elizabeth from over there? Is she aware about her grandson, she knows that Walternate will kill their son? Can she stop him?
    2- If only a sample of blood could activate the machine, why Walternate didn’t use Peter’s blood at first place?
    3- The world is ending and where’s the army? Seriously, Massive Dynamic and Fringe are ruling the “save the universe operation” in Pentagon’s face? And the press, without a clue about epic natural phenomenon?
    4- Where’s the shappeshifters decoder keys, that Bellivia said that it’s in her/his MD office?
    5- The guy who’s going to kill Olivia. Peter and Olivia had talked about this, or they just ignored?
    6- Polivia, no kiss? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee

    Don’t get me wrong, guys. I love Fringe, this ep was epic and we still have 2 episodes coming, but I hope they don’t forget about some details. Please don’t hate me. Everybody are so happy, me too, I’m just looking for more answers

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    • William Bishop says

      Well, I agree with you that there were plot holes, and I have my own opinions about then:
      1-You`re right about this one, where the hell is she!? Nothing more to say

      2-While Peter was Over There I think Walternate couldn`t betray his son like that, but as people said he should have asked Altivia to take a sample.

      3-You know I also hoped us to see “breaking news” and something like “The White House said nothing about the strange events recently, people are starting to make their teories…”and some The End Is Now madness on the street”, but I’ll wait for the other two episodes, to see if anything changes.

      4-This question makes the mysteries of the Universe look like child-ish questions…

      5-Well, they DID have more important things to do.

      6-Again, they DID have more important things to do.

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      • Sofia says

        Yeah, let’s wait for the other two episodes!!
        And at the 6th I was just kidding, to alleviate the tension :)

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          • Dylan says

            So was I, even.

            I’m no shipper but they did seem awfully…distant, physically, in this episode. More like they were siblings than partners.

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                • FinChase says

                  I have reluctantly accepted the relationship–no real choice at this point. But I’ve never thought that they had any chemistry together. I really did always get more of a sibling vibe from them. Hope they don’t go that route at this late date; it would just be too icky.

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                  • Dylan says

                    I always would have preferred the ending to ‘Marionette’ to have stuck and for their relationship to not be continued. Keep evidence of feelings there, sure, but don’t explore it again until the final episodes of the season.

                    I felt there was more chemistry between Fauxlivia and Peter than between Olivia and Peter.

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                    • Dylan says

                      Add to that, I’ve now accepted the relationship between the characters but I just don’t have any investment in it.

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                    • Still Real1 ! says

                      “”I felt there was more chemistry between Fauxlivia and Peter than between Olivia and Peter. “”

                      Oh you lost me there :P

                      Faux has chemistry with Lee not Peter ! and Olivia has chemistry with projection Peter . :P

                      haha :D

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                    • Still Real1 ! says

                      I love the ending of Marionette , it’s my top fav ep , Olivia was right with every word she said , she wasn’t her how he could not see that , but i didn’t believe her that she doesn’t want to be with him because she loves him , and Peter .. ahhhhh Peter !

                      I think there is still something in there …. in LSD Olivia said ” the real you will recognize me ” .. it’s the second time in Olivia’s mind she is sure that Peter will see her from the Alt her …… and that’s why i can’t see Faux as Olivia .. Olivia is different , and i wish they will stick on that .

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    • alexis says

      i agree with every single thing you said!

      1. i don’t know if it’s a budget issue, but i feel that more and more the circle is becoming smaller and less characters are on the spotlight every time. starting with bell, who should have appeared in subject 13, for one. orla brady not being in this episode is quite a flaw.

      2. my question here is if the baby’s blood allowed them to activate the machine, why doesn’t walternate’s??? he’s peter’s father, it should work by principle…

      3. word. and i go back to nº1, the focus is smaller every time. for example, we haven’t seen the fbi headquarters and olivia’s office for a while, it all happens in the lab. no other agents or bigger operations either. i miss this!!!

      4. definitely should have come up when bell (bellivia) was here!

      5. i’m guessing they ignored, just like about peter killing the shapeshifters… although i do agree that they probably didn’t have a chance to talk abput it in this episode, as it was quite frenetic for both of them.

      6. agreed. i too was expecting something more. i just think that their relationship lacks physical contact!! lol. they’ve hardly ever kissed since they got together. i agree with dylan that the y shouldn’t have put them together so soon. i would have preferred to see them work on it longer, to have them have the kind of dynamic they had in seasons 1 and 2 for a while, even until next season. but if they are together, then i feel like they should be more invested, it feels a little cold/distant to me too. i’m all for passion! ;)

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      • alexis says

        i have to add to my nº1 the unfortunate lack of rachel and ella…. i so miss those scenes with olivia and her sister and niece!

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  17. megan says

    This was a good episode. I was glad to see Altivia doing something once she found out what Walternate was doing.
    I was a little lit down though, I think it’s because these episodes have been so hyped up. And rightfully so, but it kinda takes the edge off for me. So for the next two episodes, I’m not watching ANY spoilers!!!

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  18. roneo says

    I’m wondering…..6.02 AM, Walternate’s over-there BBM activation time. The beginning of the end of the world……….point-in-time to reset?

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  19. Dylan says

    Anyone else hear the Bell voice slip through unintentionally during some of Fauxlivia’s scenes?

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    • Sofia says

      I think Anna Torv is struggling for to forget Nimoy’s accent. She’s Australian, doing an American accent and a few days ago, an old man voice. Must be hard for her… But she’ll get over this soon

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  20. Dylan says

    Does anyone else think that because the machine has been activated with only half of Peter’s genetic profile, and with no “driver”, that it’s not going to operate as intended?

    I wouldn’t be surprised if something bad happens on the other side as well.

    The effect of the machine/which world survives depends on the driver. Peter would have to decide which world (“decide” being a loose term after what Sam said) would survive.

    But now that the machine doesn’t have a conscious driver, what’s going to happen?

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    • Fall says

      great point Dylan , that’s what I thought too , I mean they can’t just give such an ordinary way with only half peter’s DNA , and even with the whole DNA we’ve been told over and over that it requests something more .

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    • Still Real1 ! says

      Correct please !

      Half DNA of the baby not of Peter , baby DNA = DNA of Peter + DNA Of Faux .

      They take off the half = DNA of Faux , so what it’s remain is the DNA of Peter , it’s not half .

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      • Dylan says

        No, it’s half. Each human individual has 46 chromosomes (unless they’re handicapped in some way). 23 are contributed by each parent.

        The same half of the baby’s genetic composition is the same half of Peter’s.

        The baby is half of Peter and half of Fauxlivia.

        Henry (Baby) – Fauxlivia = Peter

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        • Still Real1 ! says

          I got it now :P , you mean 23 of Peter which connected to the 23 of Faux .

          Right , apologize for my mistake . am not scientist thooo ! :D

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          • Dylan says

            lol don’t worry, genetics is a confusing subject.

            So yeah, they now have half of Peter’s genetic composition (23 chromosomes out of 46).

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            • LAT says

              This has also bothered me quite a bit. I could not understand why the blood sample taken from baby Henry could have activated the machine in the first place. We were told in previous episode that the every one has a distinct energy/ vibration signature and that the machibe reacts specifically to Peter. I just could not see how a blood sample could activate the machine based upon what we have been previously told.

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  21. Dylan says

    Why did Fauxlivia name her child Henry?

    Even after the events of ‘Bloodline’, he still would have only been some stranger that said “hello” to her once in public; as if he knew her, and who helped her give birth.

    It just seems strange. Anyone else got a better explanation for it?

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    • says

      I think Fauxlivia was inspired by the humble and down to earth Henry.
      Plus, the meaning of the name Henry is ” Home Ruler. ” … Interesting !

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    • alexis says

      i agree with you. if anyone it should be olivia to call her son henry, not fauxlivia. i thought she would go for lee, or sth.

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      • Dylan says

        Or Phillip, after the deceased Broyles from over there.

        Anything but Henry, because at least then you could form some better explanation for it.

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        • says

          Just curious … Why did your parents call you Dylan ? Because they liked the name, right. Why does there have to be a reason and/or deep meaning as to why Fauxlivia decided on Henry, other than the fact that she liked the name.

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          • fedorafadares says

            I second you, Betty, and I would add that giving birth is a truly, TRULY traumatic experience (even in a hospital, let alone the floor of a Chinatown restaurant) and anyone who gives aid or comfort through the ordeal is worthy of having the child named for them.

            No addition explanation required.

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            • Dylan says

              Yeah, but Fauxlivia’s not a real person. She’s a written character.

              In this contest, names aren’t just thought up. They always tie to someone.

              Question; how did she know his name was Henry, anyway?

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  22. AnTo says

    Great episode, clearly part 1 of 3 to set up Olivia to try and prevend the ending.
    I did not like the father son scene, to lenghty and seen to many off them already, the chapel scene could have been better if Walter and Olivia would have just sat there, Anna and John work so well together.
    The goodbyes at the machine I could not follow, so the partners of Olivia care more about Peter then Olivia? I did not see them act like that around Olivia, not hen she left end of season 2, nor when she came back, not even at the end of 3.19, there was no hug of anyone.
    Wonderful acting again by brilliant Anna Torv, Olivia and Fauxlivia two completely different women. And for those ridiculous remarks on the accent, Fauxlivia has had always a different pattern then Olivia, and Bellivia sounds completely different.
    Anna’s faces in the beginning, meeting walter, from the intensity and determination as Olivia, and finally the writers do something with her knowledge from Over There. Fauxlivia stating at the end that walternate does not know her at all, probably directed at us as well, we still have to get to know her.
    I do not think her idealism comes from knowhere, her mother seems to be a bit out off line, living in France, having her own doctor.
    We do not know anything about both Olivia’s father, over here important in the army, overthere what? How did he die.
    Love the chemistry between Lincoln and Fauxlivia, and as always everything between Olivia and Peter has to come from Anna.
    Finally : please give Anna Torv the Emmy she completely deserves the recognition. The most fascinating actress.

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    • Fall says

      what were you watching ? clearly not Fringe
      WHAT??????? the capel scene what ??????? God !!!
      ah ok ! perhaps you were you busy focusing on how to satisfy your obssession about anna torv ?

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      • Lindsay says

        Yawn, Yawn, Yawn AnTo, I am so bored listening to you preach about the virtues of Anna. What you don’t seem to understand is that YOU ARE PREACHING TO THE COVERTED! We all love Anna and respect her work as an actor but we do not feel the need to put a negative on our other beloved actors and characters!

        P.S. [removed. Inappropriate, as per comment rules].

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  23. fedorafadares says

    Anyone think Olivia eating toast in “LSD” was the next episode clue for “6:O2?” Peter said he didn’t want any toast, yet that’s what he ended up doing with Walter!

    Just a laugh!

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  24. FringeFriday says

    Sam Weiss is getting older with every minute…fascinating
    and I LOVED his scene with Newton’s Cradle…. the look on his face….can’t wait for the next episode(s)

    but can someone please explain to me (again) why they put the machine together?? I know…for plot reasons, but Massice Dynamic knew the BBM is really really bad…. so to hell with that and let’s see what happens!? still kinda bugs me;)))

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    • Dylan says

      I think their reasoning was “Let’s put the machine together so that we can find out how it works and discover a way to stop it, and if we can’t do that then we can activate it first and blow Walternate’s world to hell!”

      I dunno. It seemed obvious to me that there was a very high chance that the machine needed to be built on the side it was going to destroy.

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    • FinChase says

      I was thinking the same thing, that the damage seems to be done by the machine on this side. If they hadn’t built the blasted thing, they wouldn’t be having these problems. Maybe that’s what the glyph at the end meant: AGENT. We are the agents of our own destruction.

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  25. Schwakamole says

    I got the distinct feeling that the two machines were acting together. Yes they may need Peter’s DNA to work, but I think once they get going, they work together. The machine Over There seemed to be causing quite a bit of havok, like they couldn’t get it to “behave”. It would be cool to explore the symbiotic nature of the two machines.

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    • Oscar says

      Yeah, and the fact that the two machines are actually one and the same and work “together” may explain why Over Here Machine rejected Peter: it was already “occupied” by Henry’s DNA.

      Or something like… ;-)

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  26. Dylan says

    @ Still Real1 !

    Bah! It won’t let me reply to you.

    Yes, I definitely agree about the chemistry with Lincoln.

    I just never thought that Peter and Olivia should have gone together. Their ‘family unit’ idea worked so much better, and it was refreshing for the longest time to have a show like this where the two leads weren’t forced into a relationship.

    I’m glad to know that even the actors didn’t feel comfortable about it (Jackson is refreshing in the fact that he’ll give an honest opinion rather than treat the show as if it can do no wrong).

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    • Still Real1 ! says

      Actually , nothing was forced in their relationship , from S1 to S3 .. all was setting up step by step ….. after Marionette … I was hoping to see some redeeming for Peter …. but they did it as how they are wanting the thing to be in 6B , I was against the idea of making Olivia taking the first step , am not sure from Peter yet .. till in LSD we saw in Olivia’s mind ” the real you will recognize me ” … and then .. i think the real him is recognizing the body but not the soul ! .

      I think Olivia and Peter can work very good together and that’s will not hurt the show .. but if they will remain playing on their relationship then i can say it will hurt the show .

      The good writing will present a very nice couples , Josh is not seeing it that way .. and maybe that’s why when he is acting Peter .. he is not giving 100% of the character , maybe he is not feeling Peter as a character to act ?

      Fringe is a unique show with it story , if they will concentrate on the main characters more then again I think will have an amazing story line , but for example .. if they are not knowing that what the show is need i think we have a problem , IMO they should focus on Olivia’s character even more and to hand her every thing as how the show was going in s1 and s2 , am always hearing Josh saying that s3 is about Olivia … i disagree with him .. because it’s only 9 out of 22 we are seeing Olivia .. and all s3 is about the machine and Peter ! where is Olivia i don’t know !

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      • alexis says

        “am always hearing Josh saying that s3 is about Olivia … i disagree with him .. because it’s only 9 out of 22 we are seeing Olivia .. and all s3 is about the machine and Peter ! where is Olivia i don’t know !”

        i have to agree with you 100%!!! this has been by far the more balanced season between the characters! the less olivia-centered one. even if the story that served as the basis for the first half of the season was revolving around olivia, its consequences and ramifications affecting the rest of the characters have been very much the focus of all the episodes set over here. and altlivia’s mission over here was all about the machine, which is tightly connected with peter. and ever since olivia got back, every episode has pretty much been a build up of the BBM-peter-walter plot.

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        • Dylan says

          I guess we’ll talk majorities.

          The narrative of the second half of season 2 was focused on Walter and Peter; It explored their past, their relationship, and the fallout of Peter’s discovery, including focus-episodes such as ‘Peter’ and ‘Northwest Passage’.

          The narrative of the first half of season 3 focused on Olivia and Fauxlivia; it explored both their crises, and included focus episodes such as ‘Olivia’ and ‘Do Shapeshifters dream of electric sheep?’.

          Hey, there’s a simple idea;

          Season two had an episode called ‘Peter’ that started Peter and Walter’s story arc. Season three had an episode called ‘Olivia’ that started her arc.

          It’s not entirety of the seasons, but half of each focus on a particular character/character-pair.

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      • Dylan says

        By ‘forced’, I wasn’t meaning how it was executed. I was referring to the writer’s desires to pair these two characters simply because they’re the leading female and male.

        Oh and it didn’t help that the whole ‘Peter and Rachel’ thing was just dropped completely.

        And I agree that Jackson doesn’t appear to be giving it his all in the relationship-aspect. I just don’t think it’s something he feels comfortable doing.

        It’s that discomfort that has led to a lot of the issues to do with chemistry.

        I said a while up that I accept the relationship now (they’ve done better with it in the more recent episodes), but I don’t have any investment in it.

        additional note; was never comfortable with the fact that in the pilot Olivia seems like a woman in a romantic relationship, whereas with Peter (for most of it) she has seemed like an excited teenage girl in her first-ever relationship (particularly in ‘Os’ when she discussed with Peter going and making out in front of the students).

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        • Still Real1 ! says

          Olivia was acting as a teenage because she wasn’t knowing what Peter is wanting and the ambiance was between the students , so she was acting as them somehow as a joking with Peter .

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          • Dylan says

            It’s not just isolated to this situation.

            But it was just such an immature thing to suggest, and very unbecoming of Olivia.

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        • Annette says

          I feel that Olivia acted like a teenager with John Scott. That said, I liked the chemistry between the two leads in the first season. Peter seemed to be impressed by Olivia’s dedication to Scott. The pair strengthened one another.

          After Marionette, I hoped the show would allow the characters to be able to take what they learned from their relationship and move on to new relationships.

          I guess I’m a half-hearted shipper.

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      • Dylan says

        I think what Jackson means, and I agree, is that the focus this season in terms of characterization is Olivia, similar to how season 2 focused mainly on Peter and Walter.

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        • Still Real1 ! says

          I really didn’t take it as that , we have Olivia in 9 episode of 22 from S3 , there wasn’t enough Olivia to call S3 is about Olivia in my opinion , and they did invest so many episodes to explore the red universe and Peter and BBM , am not seeing Olivia at all , “Olivia” ep1 .. was a setup for what’s will happening next by making her think that she is Faux , and then we don’t have Olivia as Olivia till ep9 and then no Olivia nor Peter in ep 13 and 15 and 18 , and then no Olivia in ep 17 and ep 19 .. and for now we don’t even know if this one is Olivia or Bell is acting as Olivia !

          It’s just by the name s3 is about Olivia while in fact .. there is no enough Olivia .

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          • JM says

            i think jackson actually said the season of “olivia’s” as in both, so quite a bit of the season has been focused on them both, so i agree if he did actually say like that (which i think he did), and in relation to the statement: “and they did invest so many episodes to explore the red universe and Peter and BBM , am not seeing Olivia at all” i have to say as s peter is essentially the main plot device alongside the BBM so yes a lot of focus is put on him, but it should be noted not alot of character development is occuring!, so yes it could be said that infact quite a bit of the season has been focused on peter/bbm because they are essentially the macguffin of season 3. Should be noted this is just my opinion please give feedback as i want thoughts…

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            • Still Real1 ! says

              “”so yes it could be said that infact quite a bit of the season has been focused on peter/bbm because they are essentially the macguffin of season 3.”"

              So , S3 is not about Olivia .

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              • JM says

                LOL, well its more about the character of olivia(s) more than any other. The story itself is driven by peter as he is the macguffin as i said, so you could argue both ways! so i am not disagreeing with you im just not agreeing with you either…

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                • Still Real1 ! says

                  LOL ! it’s ok , but for the record any thing with Faux character is not counting in my book , Faux and the red universe are counting to Peter not to Olivia .

                  So still there is no enough Olivia .. to call s3 ‘s Olivia that’s my point .

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                  • Jophan says

                    Well, from the writers’ point of view, stories about BOlivia are stories about Olivia, how she might have turned out if her life had gone differently. The middle episodes were mostly about the emotional fallout from Olivia’s capture and Peter’s indiscretion, the Bellivia episodes were about helping her recover, and now we go into the finale with her stronger than before.

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                    • Still Real1 ! says

                      Actually , for me , am not seeing it that way , the parallel universe and their characters are not the same with the blue universe and their characters , just as how Blair said : people are alike but not person to person .

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          • Dylan says

            A single character/pair of characters got their own story arc that lasted near to half a season.

            Peter and Walter in season 2.
            Olivia and Fauxlivia in season 3.

            That’s what is meant. Whoever gets the story arc, it’s considered their season.

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        • Still Real1 ! says

          I forget to add , and even when Olivia is Olivia it was all about the BBM and Peter and Walter …

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          • Fall says

            no offense but season three is all about olivia, and no one can deny that (even huge fans of the character) , the character had a totally huge developpement, personnal insights, everything was brought to us through olivia this season, to the point that some fans -including me- are afraid the show would become character-driven. which I hope it doesn’t , the main focus was on olivia’s perspective , starting from her experience on the side, to the emotional impact of that on her begining from marionnette, then moved to OLIVIA’s opinions about peter and his relationship with altrivia, the effects of that on her, then her ability to fight fears and finally be with her ‘LOVER’ ,…. and we ended up entering her mind and discovering a lot more about the character, in short , the writers tried their best to explore Olivia’s character from differente angles. we also had the opportunity (meh!…) to see another version of Olivia to -again- compare it to original olivia reveiling more about the “other her” in a way to consider both sides of the character , also to bring how the cortex affected her and how she could have lived if she was not experimented on. so we had a lot more delivered about olivia’s character and from her own perspective.
            Peter ? …. other then knowing he believes in hope and doesn’t believe in fate …. well almost nothing, he was mainly considered as a plot device and a dismissed plot device “olivia’s boyfriend who slept with her double”, yes he has an important storyline this season “the war and the machine”, but it was never explored from his side of view, character developpement ? … I would say 0 , they basically added nothing to his character to let us know him better, even the impact of altrivia’s betrayle was literally ignored from his perspective they only allowed him to delivere it in some rare 20sec time scenes, …. and we had the man that is going to sacrifice himself to save the world ? AND WHAT ?? we never saw his impressions on that, the way he sees that ? how it affected him to know such thing ? we once heard him tell altrivia about the influence of that drawing on him , but guess in which scene ? …. yes when she was trying to hide the deaf man she killed …. so we were heading backwords to the fact that his words were merely used to fill the scene …. and also you can notice that if the character of peter had any focuse or developpment we would have witnessed some reaction when he decided to sacrifice himself from the “viewers that only see the superficial side of each scene , and that only believe what’s given to them, without seeking to go deeper with characters” example: when we weren’t given some scenes about the affects of altrivia’s betrayle on peter those viewers basically believed Peter was radically indifferent about the situation ,…..sadly Peter’s character is strong but it was radically dismissed . unfair ? yes but I still trust the writers and hope the show returns back to s1 and 2 “merveilles” , because even for olivia’s character the things they changed I’m afraid that made me feel something off about the character now and hope it would return back to the dunhamator we used to enjoyed watching .

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            • Still Real1 ! says

              No offense’s taki’ , but i disagree , we haven’t seen Olivia in all the episode to call s3 about her , and i agree that Peter’s character still growing , but we already known that he is a con man .. can’t handle a job more than 2 months , had 7 crimes , had a file in the FBI , he left his adapting mother while Walter at the hospital to go to Europe , his life is coming back together when Olivia brought him back from Iraq to take care of his father and yet he was hard on his father and then he was starting to deal with him and not seeing him as a monster , when he discovered that he is from another universe he was running a way and agreed to cross over with his real father , he saw his real mother , he let go all his world to be back with Olivia , he failed to know Olivia from her Alt , he was obsessed by the BBM and arguing with Walter to build it , because of his stupidity he let an impostor to take over the life of the woman he loves , he conned the blue people and worked alone to discover nothing about the shapeshifter , he did a secret lab for his own for nothing , he said to Bellivia that he is not going ever in to BBM , he did go to the BBM without plan B , he didn’t let the woman which he love to know what he is doing , he thinks that he is the center of the BBM but it looks like not , for his bad concentration the red universe had his 23 DNA and now they are activating the machine , .. and the list will not end .

              So we know more about Peter’s character than we know about Olivia , the show becomes Peter not Olivia IMO , while i would love the show be about Peter and Olivia ,

              Sorry , i still believe that s3 isn’t about Olivia and we can’t call it Olivia’s .. but we can call it Peter and BBM .

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              • Oscar says

                I agree with you, Still Real 1: First Season was Walter’s (and Peter’s, because it was centered essentially on their attempt to rebuild a relationship; but still mainly Walter’s Season), Second Season was (mainly) Olivia’s, but this Season is mainly Peter’s. And that’s fine, for me: every character, and every relationship, has now reached a good development, even if improvements in Season Four will be definitely possible and welcome!

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                • freakadeek says

                  Funny how there is so much criticism of peter going into the machine for saving our world ( heaven forbid) but if Olivia did it, everyone will be praising her. I mean Olivia was too busy looking for Sam that she didn’ t even think about peter.

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                • Still Real1 ! says

                  If i hate Peter or dislike him … you have to believe me that i will say without any suggestions , simply i will say it , unfortunately I am not , his character needs a treatment in my opinion that it .

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              • Fall says

                “So we know more about Peter’s character than we know about Olivia , the show becomes Peter not Olivia IMO , while i would love the show be about Peter and Olivia ,”

                really ? …. LOL
                I’m sorry but I can’t reply to your last post because I will repeat what I said before , If you can’t see how the characters are developped , it’s Ok ! …. and clearly you can’t make a difference between a plot device and a character devoloppement , and you basically relate that developpement with “how much screentime the character gets” . Also you take this “character’s analysis” personnaly , and from what I can understand , you seek Idealism about characters which is far away from realism , and obviously you would never see Peter’s character in a different way , and you base your theory about s3 on arguments from S1 and 2, reciting Peter’s actions in a way that explains how you see the character which is about 1% of the way the character is built, and that rationally proves the fact that till now you cannot understand many sides about it.
                and Finally , I noticed a massive Peter hate , so I figured why you can’t see what’s the season is about , and you can’t stand it being about Peter even as a plot device. Sorry but your post Proves all I said.
                “because of his stupidity he let an impostor to take over the life of the woman he loves”
                I couldn’t help but laugh at this…. again … Sorry!

                when somebody posts this way (and notice how you did no try to understand even why peter was arguing about the machine with walter) I stop the discussion right a way because I know I won’t make it explaining Peter’s complex character to a …………………..MASSIVE PETER HATER !!!

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                • Still Real1 ! says

                  Sweet my posts as how you like to sweet it for your own :) am not going to argue if i like or dislike Peter’s character , and if you are seeing s3 is about Olivia .. it’s ok it’s your opinion , but for me s3 is about Peter not Olivia .

                  as for screen time .. are you talking about the time of the character or of the actors ? if it for the actors .. both Anna and josh had the same time screen i think . but if we will talk about the time of the character , well we have less time for Olivia .

                  S3 is about Peter and BBM as how i said before , so no meaning % me for what you are trying to manipulate my posts for the points you would like to prove by force .

                  enjoy the show , and am constant , s3 is about Peter and BBM , it’s not about Olivia in my opinion .

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                • Still Real1 ! says

                  And i forget to add , i didn’t say any thing about the time screen , sadly i can see that you didn’t get what i mean by Olivia was there in 9ep of 22 ,

                  and sadly , i know who you are and how you are posting , and that’s fine with me …. and still .. s3 is about Peter and BBM not about Olivia , and yes he was stupid and blinded and yes Walter was right to not build the machine , and yes every choice that Peter is making somehow turns out to be wrong .. he is as that since s1 , he was arguing with Walter and Olivia about any new idea that Walter is trying to explain and in the end .. Walter and Olivia were tuning to be right and he is wrong .

                  Hey I can tease you even more if you like :)

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                  • LAT says

                    @ Still Real 1!

                    I do think sometimes you can be understood. The main point of your post is that season 3 is not Olivia’s story and on this point i agree. But if you do not like a characater you should just say so and not dress it up as the character being underdeveloped. You have said in a previous post that you love Astrid and that the writers have created a great developed character in her. I can not disagree more! I adore Astrid but to say you like her more than Peter because she is more developed as a charcter is crazy. For the first time I think the writers have tried to make the story about all 3 of our main characters building up to this finale and the potential destruction of out universe. I see no reason why anyone should call this season Olivia’s, Peter’s or Walters story as each character has seen seen massive development this season:

                    Olivia- Struggling to find herself ‘over there’ within AltLivia’a memories and fighting to get home. Her decision to try and find a way to save both universes. Her struggle to adapt back to he life once home in view of the havoc AltLivia wreaked in her absence. Admitting that despite this her feelings for Peter are the same. Conquering her fears and not now being afraid to move forward.

                    Peter – Coming back from ‘over there’ and accepting that this is where he belongs. Slowly rebuilding his relationship with Walter (although not addressed in the show as I would have liked – the way they now interact with each other is much more like their behaviour in season 2). Telling Olivia the truth about his relationship with AltLivia. The shapeshifter killings (not his best moment but still a development albeit an unresolved one). His distress at Belivia, the only one fighting tooth and nail for Bellie to leave her. Peter finally realising the true Olivia and trying to save her.

                    Walter – well what can I say about Walter he does always seem to take 2 steps forward and then 3 steps back but finally it seems he fully understands the consequences of his actions and repents. He is willing to lose Peter and sacrifice himself if it means the Universe will survive. This is massive for Walter.

                    So I think we should stop arguing over who’s series this is and accept it has been about all of them. I for one love all three of our lead charcters flaws and all.

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                    • Still Real1 ! says

                      “”"but to say you like her more than Peter because she is more developed as a charcter is crazy.”"”

                      Sure it will be crazy .. I NEVER wrote that .. from where you are coming with that sentence ?? I didn’t classified what i like what i dislike … I said that Peter is still growing , and else where i said that Astrid’s character was developing .

                      I didn’t say i like Astrid and i dislike Peter , from where you are saying that .

                      and it’s not by force you would like from me to admit something is not exist in my gut .

                      So for the billions time , am not disliking or hating Peter , in my gut he is still growing .

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                • Dylan says

                  Sadly, one can’t really justifiably call Peter’s character complex.

                  There’s room there for such a thing, sure. But there are so many aspects and even storylines to the character that they have neglected to explore.

                  Thankfully, though, he’s not as horribly treated as Astrid.

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                  • LAT says

                    Agreed, poor Astrid’s role has been limited to babysitter, lab cleaner and Walters personal grocery shopper. She has brief shining moments when she comforts or reassures our other characters but thats about it. I would love to know more about Astrid and her back story. Things like why she joined the FBI and what was her motivation. Jaskia makes her so lovable but I think her character could be so much more.

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  27. blah blah says

    Anyone notice all the coffee in this episode? The farmer guy dumps his out the truck window, the bowler says he’s going to get a cup of coffee, there was a coffee machine in the hospital…and I’m pretty sure Olivia has a cup of it in her hand at the end of the episode. It just seemed a little deliberate to me…like a reminder: the blight’s coming…enjoy it while you can. :)

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  28. Walternate says

    I honestly think the machine on our side rejected Peter because he’s not our Peter. He’s from the other side. I think each Peter is supposed to work with the machine from their own respective universes. I think the reason it reacted to Peter in “Reciprocity” is because it was one of the Peters. But therein lies the problem for our side, because our Peter is dead. And since the Peter we know and love can’t stop the machine, we’re screwed.

    Just my theory

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    • Dylan says

      Perhaps.

      It did react to him though in ‘Reciprocity’.

      I just don’t think it was ready for him to enter it. Either that, or it sensed that Peter wasn’t ready to enter.

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      • Walternate says

        I know it reacted to him, I said as much. But my theory is that it reacted because it realized Peter. When he touched it though, the machine realized he was not the Peter from our side.

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