Fringe Episode 3.13 Immortality


RETURN TO LIFE “OVER THERE” ON AN ALL-NEW “FRINGE” FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 11, ON FOX

As the story shifts back to life “over there,” the absence of Colonel Broyles shifts the dynamic of the Fringe Team as they investigate a bioterrorist armed with an insect that has a taste for human flesh. Meanwhile, alternate Olivia is reunited with her beau, and Walternate remains determined to save his world but discovers there are certain lines he will not cross in the all-new “Immortality” episode of FRINGE airing Friday, Feb. 11 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR 3.13) (TV-14 L, S, V)

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth.

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  1. BklynBetty says

    I’m pretty sure that I am not infested by parasitical beetles, but, i also felt like retching after Altlivia put away her photo of Peter.

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  2. Ben says

    Has anyone else made this connection? The beetles are species mansonium bugliosis, also known as the Skelter beetle. Helter Skelter was a book written by Vincent Bugliosi, the DA who prosecuted Charles Manson. Manson was of course obsessed with the Beatles. Neat little wordplay.

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    • LMH says

      I know! I freaked out! OMG It’s Josie!!! There was also some cherry pie ordered in this ep ; )

      And oh yeah, it happened. The writers went there. Let’s see what happens next with all that. Walternate’s conversation w/ Altivia = creepiest grandpa moment ever.

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      • Peanut says

        When Walternate smiled at Fauxlivia–well, showed his teeth–I thought that he must have snorted Walter’s brain stuff because it was more like the way that Walter looked when he did the monkey male dominance grimace to Astrid in the lab. You’re right. Creepiest grandpa ever!

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      • FringeFriday says

        So excited, too!!! But I really thought the pregnancy would be the season finale cliffhanger…. NOW I am looking forward to the actual cliffhanger… what will it be???? the pregnancy thing for Peter???? she’s gonna come over and flee from Walternate, I bet!!!!! “Petah… help me… and Mini- Peter!”

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        • Lys... from the city of Ulisses! says

          LOL @ “mini!peter”. But wouldn’t that be interesting – I mean if she crosses over here, escaping from walternate and brandonate… But isn’t there some sort of law, saying, dogma in physics that 2 bodies of equal mass cannot occupy the same space? (something like that). Then how they solve that?

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          • FringeFriday says

            I guess she finds out about Corthexifan!? It will have the same effect on her as on Olivia, so I think she won’t die of it because she’s carrying a baby.

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            • NF says

              Dude, FringeFriday, I thought the same thing too about saving this business for a cliffhanger. I figured we were going to get a good tease this episode, so I was definitely impressed that they just came out with it. Can’t wait to see where we go from here, but I have an feeling that the outlook ain’t so good for Fauxlivia (sob).

              PS — I much rather have a silly unplanned pregnancy plot line than seeing the two Walters kidnap and counter-kidnap Peter again. Making this Pete’s battle is much more fun.

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              • SF says

                Has anyone else thought that maybe they can use the DNA from the baby to power the machine? that if Grandpa can’t have Peter he’ll take the baby? poor baby!

                Still not happy with this story line, but trying to make the best of it and figure out how the Fringe writers can do something Fringey with it.

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      • robyn says

        Yes, i realise its probably true, there’s not much he can contribute to the story..unless the reason he shares tattoos with Fauxlivia turns into something else (which is doubtful)

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        • FinChase says

          I wondered if he might ask her the next morning what happened to her tattoo. Maybe she’s had time to get it re-done since she returned.

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          • SF says

            He didn’t even give her a chance to explain…..but then she did fall in love with Peter. AAAck! No matter how many times I try to explain it to myself, every time I think both Olivias love him, I get annoyed. Does this mean that even if our Olivia had stayed with John Scott (ie he hadn’t died), would she have fallen in love with Peter anyway, like AltLiv does? It’s not that I don’t like the character of Peter, I do! I just wonder about having the same character from both worlds fall in love with him. It’s one thing to see it – both Walters and Broyles on both worlds are with the same person, though Broyles is divorced here and she is with someone else. It’s that AltLiv is already in love with someone, how is it that Peter is so irresistible that he is better than Frank? We never get to see her comparing the two, and she seemed pretty happy with Frank before. Plus, there’s Linc, lurking around who seems pretty hot for AltLiv too.

            I didn’t think of the tattoos, does this mean that if Frank ever meets our Olivia he will fall in love with her because they now share tattoos???? and what is the significance of the tattoo? Does Our Liv still have the tattoo (we haven’t seen it for a while)?

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            • number six says

              Of course, Olivia would have fallen for Peter if she had stayed with John Scott. She was eyesexing Peter to death, while they were trying to save John Scott in the pilot and she kept with the eyesex in the following episodes, while she had the other guy in her head.

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  3. says

    OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yep.. they’ve done. they’ve made her pregnant.
    Oh god, please Fringe writers. Don’t make this into a soap opera… I beg you!!!

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    • Paladinobr says

      Disappointed with this episode. I was expecting something different from Fringe because I don’t want see a soap opera like Anjali said.

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        • thatgirlfriday says

          I actually screamed out loud when the scientist said he was the final host (meaning Fauxliv was pregnant). Arggh.

          I am putting my faith in this show to not get all soap opera-y.

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  4. hal says

    hahaha.. i lolled when they said it.

    now here comes the 200 whiney comments..

    the standalone aspect of this episode was pretty boring.. for that alone this episode was pretty lame..
    but cool walter’s GF is that twin peaks broad

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    • WaySeeker says

      *whine* x1, Submit … *whine* x2, Submit
      How about 2 instead of 200 I don’t want to get carpel tunnel syndrome here!
      :p

      Seriously, tho: I wasn’t very impressed with the plotting in this epi. A lot of it seemed like cheats. I can see them trying to work and re-work to make the story interesting as they got key points across. The only way to do that is to have fake leads.
      It all just seemed so forced and took me out of the story!
      And by that I only mean the end.
      ***
      I don’t get why the scientist would infect innocent strangers. I mean, if we had seen a layer where these people were really bad people then in a twisted way we would see him using bad people for a good cause. Like a serial killer or rapist or molester, not that would have been “good” it would have been “anti-hero” at least. If he had blurted that out at the end, or the Fringe had found that out about the victims during their investigation, that would have been a neat angle.
      And I didn’t like the sneaky bad guy angle … how he managed to lock the new Boss in the freezer. He couldn’t have also turned down the refrigeration or … something?
      And why set the video camera on fauxlivia?What … he wanted to record her reaction as he tramautized her with him birthing the queen?
      Because then she would have been traumatized, caught in handcuffs for who knows how long, and her new Boss would be frozen (unresponsive, so how much longer would it have taken a follow-up team to find him?). I know they have technology to help people (the guy was horribly burned before, now the poor guy is frozen) but still.
      No follow-through was considered. It was all plot contrivance!
      And this was all for … what? If you changed the beatle to be in humans and the second victim did not show pink in your test, how can we know the 3rd victim made it pink or if the queen would? And if so, so what? Surly there is another way to get (what was it, a vaccine for avian flu?) what he was after without killing innocent people in such a horrific painful way.
      We’ve already seen mad scientists so what’s the point?
      The point is they needed a way to reveal Altlivia was pregnant so this whole episode was created for that purpose. I just feel it was done clumsily. Well, clumsily in a genius way, like “Marionette”.
      So … this scientist gets to be immortal for both opposing reasons? For being a serial killer and sacrificing himself for a cure? Buh?
      Not that it didn’t have it’s moments! It was great to be Over There again to be honest. I loved the character banter Over There on their Fringe team! I love what they did with Bastrid (wait … that doesn’t sound right. I mean alt-rid).
      /endwhine

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  5. real1 says

    What Olivia will do now ? slap him ? … feel sorry for him ? …. and what Peter will do now ? forcing Walter to let him cross over ? or asking Olivia to let him cross over ?

    *sigh*

    No comment !

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  6. ohwell says

    Sorry but the show just ended in more ways than one for me…ridiculous and too bad. I don’t know why everyone says to trust the writers–the direction has been pretty contrived all season and this new development doesn’t seem to be a good way to bring new viewers into the fold. I guess this is me whining because this is the one show I was addicted to –at least the withdrawals started a few weeks ago when the story got way too P/O centric and less puzzle-rific. Here’s to rewarding loyal viewers…cheers writers, i don’t feel invested in either universe.

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    • Fringie6989 says

      I wouldn’t give up yet. I honestly believe the writers have something far far beyond the soap opera aspect of this storyline. I still have faith even as I yelled at the tv for 15 minutes afterward. As much as I love Peter, this story is so much bigger than him.

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      • KLA says

        Fringie6989- I am determined to share your optimism. Something good just has to come of this. The shock is slowly wearing off.

        Do you have a sore throat from screaming??

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        • Fringie6989 says

          Yes I do actually. I’ve been sick the last couple of weeks already so tonight didn’t help…I think I hindered my recovery but it was worth it lol…its funny, all this negativity is only strengthening my believe that the writers are going to pull this storyline off in a way that will completely shock and amaze us :)

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    • ajewell says

      I am SO with you! The plot twists have been so obvious and predictable this entire season – from the Olivia-swap, the Peter/Altivia “coupling”, and now the ridiculous pregnancy twist. How did we get from Season 1 to this awful soap opera?! THIS isn’t the Fringe I fell in love with!

      At this point, I almost wish both universes would implode, and a third one emerge – a world where season 3 never happened, and the writers actually knew what the hell they were doing.

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      • Betelgeuse says

        As telegraphed as those plot points you mentioned were, they were bound to happen. Of course the Olivia-swap was going to happen; the other side thinks they’re in a war, so they’re going to try and hold a hostage, especially one as special as a universe-jumper. And the pregnancy…ok, that one’s a bit out of the blue (haha), but it certainly does add a whole new layer to character development. Unlike soap operas, these drama-causing events actually have some sort of payoff.

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        • SF says

          You are right, you know, Betelgeuse. I do think though that Fringe has been better at layering stories and plots in previous seasons, and they’ve lost that touch and gone to straight stories without so much layering. I miss the Old Fringe, as much as I loved being in the AU this time around, I wanted a mystery, and a threat that wasn’t about our team or their team in trouble. For agents they were stupid, going in alone and not waiting for backup. Anyway, it’s the lack of time given to explore – to understand why AltLiv finds Peter so perfect, since Frank seemed pretty wonderful too. The lack of time to see how their memories are changing their perceptions of both universes – and really, we never got to see AltLiv fall in love with coffee here, or how it to back there where it is so different. I would love to see the world through her eyes for a little, so I could better understand what sleeping with Peter cost her, and come to know her a little better – how are she and our Olivia different, if we are seeing them fall in love with the same man, are they liking the same things? And why did AltLiv fall in love with Peter much more quickly than Our Olivia did? I’m really curious and I want to understand, because I’ll care for AltLiv if given a chance to. Though, what I love about Fringe is the strangeness and bizarre worlds and our characters seeing how their actions affect everything – so I have faith this story is going someplace. I just wish it had a little lighter touch, and it was not so quick to dismiss characters that we are invested in too, like Frank. That said, I need to know what happens next, and I can see so many ways this plot might go, so I have high hope. I’m still obsessed!!!

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        • ajewell says

          That’s just the thing – NONE of this stuff is really “bound to happen.” This is Fringe, not As The World Turns. And even then, it’s not so much the events themselves I take issue with; it’s the way they were handled. The relationship is taking center stage, and is pushing the oddity and strangeness of the Fringe-universe to the back-burner. Yes, we have the machine, but even that’s now tied to Peter’s libido.

          And even the Olivia-swap wasn’t original (we’d just gone through a similar thing with Charlie). But even so, I didn’t mind, since it had potential and made sense in the context of the war. But even that intriguing premise, they squandered. They made everyone on our side blind and stupid, and now we find out it was all to set up this ridiculous pregnancy plot. And the drama-payoff is *supposed* to be an intriguing love triangle – only, I can’t get behind it, because it’s lopsided, and being held up with convenience, contrivance, and superglue.

          I’m sticking with Fringe simply because I’ve been with it since the beginning… but this entire plot is really testing my patience and my loyalty.

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    • alexis says

      i can’t believe the writers went this way… when the rumours about the pregnancy started i thought it would never happen because i thought fringe was so much better than that. it was way too predictable and way too easy for a show that hadn’t to that point ceased to impress me. i’m soooo bummed by this plot. but not just the pregnancy, which is the straw that broke the camel’s back to me, but the fact that they turned an amazing sci fi show into a lame and obvious soap opera…….. lately the show has revolved around the love triangle, it seems like every plot besides the p/o story is just there to kill time and to give a background to the incredibly awkward and unconfortable moments they’ve been sharing lately. i used to love the dynamic, the flirting, between peter and olivia (and i’m still a shipper, i must say), but now i’m so fed up with their whining and their feeling sorry for themselves. it should have stayed a secondary storyline.
      i hope the writers fix this mess…….

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    • robyn says

      haha exactly! It makes me wonder what exactly did Walternate ask her to do other than obtain the pieces..did he sttaight up go seduce my son?
      Now her life is ruined from her perspective..wonder what Lincoln will think of this!

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      • Fringie6989 says

        Lincoln will be the one to comfort her. Maybe Peter will be so angry that he will chase Bolivia straight into Lincoln’s arms. A girl can dream, right?

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        • SF says

          I hope that Our Olivia and either Frank or Linc meet up and connect! lol! Frank sure seems good enough for our girl……that would blow minds and worlds, wouldn’t it? :-)

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  7. says

    15 Betty February 10, 2011 at 2:44 pm
    If, and this is a longshot, if Fauxlivia has a bun in the oven, the numbers are not going to add up. Her boyfriend was out of town while she was over here. She is gonna’ have some splainin’ to do !!

    Posted that yesterday. As soon as I heard the Cheap Trick lyrics of ” I Want You To Want Me,” I knew it was a done deal … Peter, what have you done !!

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    • Aimee says

      Peter hasn’t “done” anything by himself. It takes two to tango, and I’m betting hopping universes screwed up Faux’s Birth control. Now poor Peter is going to have to pay again. Just how much more can HE take?

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  8. runpaceyrun says

    I adore Jeff Pinkner & Joel Wyman…to me…they are the saviours of Fringe …….but this storyline has just made me so angry. I have nothing else to say!

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    • says

      What is with all the negativity. You make it sound like the writers sucked the life out of the story. I disagree completely. The writers do not and should not have to pander to us. I will take whatever they give us.

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      • Fringie6989 says

        I agree. The writers know more than we do. We are only seeing one small part of it, while they can see the whole story. I am upset about the pregnancy, but I don’t feel betrayed…they have a bigger picture in mind

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      • Mtm says

        I agree. Fringe being Fringe there are multitude of options what will happen now. This opened the door to many different story lines and I doubt that the writers will stick to some cliche pregnancy stuff that’s been done over million times (maybe that’s what people are afraid of). Maybe they accelerate the baby’s growth so they will have their own power source for the Doomsday machine as the child will have Peter’s DNA. Maybe the Observers will take the child away as not to give Walternate this option (talk about fairy godmothers!). Or maybe they hybridize shapeshifters with the baby’s DNA and replace the embryo. Who knows.
        At least I will be turning in and waiting to see what kind of rabbit the writers are pulling from their hat week after week!

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        • FringeFriday says

          YES!!! There is more to Fringe that we( the audience) know! The writers will know what to do and we will sit here at the end of the season and all say…. they did such a great job, Fringe is the best, hurray to everything…. I bet on that!
          And I bet the pregnancy is essential to the storyline…or else they wouldn’t have gone that way….
          PERIOD!!!

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        • WaySeeker says

          What if Brandonate is super-sneaky and cortexiphan’s Bolivia’s baby in-utero?!
          Meet Super!mini!petohliviah!
          Dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

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              • SF says

                For just a brief second, my brain pictured baby Dunham zapping over into our Olivia just because it can cross worlds…..imagine if she suddenly were pregnant? holy Gene cow! not gonna happen, but it was fun to have that image!

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                • Lindsay says

                  funny you should say that, I was thinking the same thing. We have had all of these throw backs to season 1 recently and remember the scene where she imagines sitting talking to broyles and sudenly becomes very pregnant (ep1.2 the same old story). I know it tied into the story of the rapid aging guy but as Roco keeps saying very little in this show is done without a future prupose.

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  9. Count Screwloose says

    We’re not going to get any more “White Tulip”s, are we? I hope they’re not kidding about having some surprises coming up. The predictability is starting to become painful, each episode seeming to kill time while beating that week’s Peter/Olivia metaphor into the ground.

    It’s beginning to feel like you don’t need to watch anything but the last 5 minutes in order to keep up.

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  10. says

    People be reasonable. Once they started the relationship thing, they can’t just drop it. They need to flesh it out. This is just a plot line to get Peter back to the other side which would be interesting! There’s a lot of conflict for him and we’re finally getting to see more about him and how he ticks. Also we got some great insight into Walternate today that made him infinitely more interesting to me. I thought it was very interesting that no one knows (especially Altlivia) about AlterBroyles’ demise. So Walternate had drawn some lines around his morality but only for children apparently. But it didn’t seem to bother him very much to take a father away from a sweet boy who has already been through hell and back. And with the re-emergence of Sam last week, we will hopefully get a nice story line for the First People. There is still so much that is good about this show. Bear with this romantic triangle bit and see where it goes.

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      • Fringie6989 says

        I agree. Peter left so quickly the last time he was there, of course they are leading him back to the alternate universe. I also actually started understanding Walternate’s point of view (before he got all creepy grandpa on me). Thank you Schwakamole for being reasonable and logical…it is refreshing these days :)

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    • FinChase says

      Thank you for the voice of reason. I’ve been on record for awhile, hoping TPTB would not go down this route, but they have. They say they have more tricks up their sleeve, so I’m going to trust that this is true. Fringe is still a great show, and I want to see where they go with this.

      But writers, you’re on notice: This had better be good!

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    • lizw65 says

      And he didn’t seem too broken up about all the adults who dropped dead after being given Cortexiphan, either. Wonder if Brandonate will convince him to give some to the fetus?

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      • WaySeeker says

        you beat me to it! :p
        (I hadn’t scrolled down this far yet … great minds think alike?)

        WaySeeker February 13, 2011 at 11:14 am
        What if Brandonate is super-sneaky and cortexiphan’s Bolivia’s baby in-utero?!
        Meet Super!mini!petohliviah!
        Dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

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        • SF says

          Yes, I had that thought too. I also agree with Liz saying Walternate didn’t seem to broken up about the dead adults, which was really creepy to watch. I really wish we’d have episode about them experimenting on cortexiphan over there! Now that would be scary, because all along we’d be thinking about Olivia, and our cortexitots over here, and how lucky they (and Walter and Bell) were that they were children when they were experimented on. (and doesn’t that sound just wrong anyway???) Or else they’d be dead.

          I guess this means Peter wasn’t treated with cortexiphan at Walternate’s house as he woke up from crossing over?

          And Walternate was all creepy Grandpa with AltLiv! Though, you know, for a man who lost his son, to unexpectedly have his son’s child in his universe must be a little magical. As much as I don’t like the obviousness of this storyline, it can go many wonderful places for the characters. Bring it on, Fringewriters!!!

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  11. KLA says

    I want to cry right now. Sigh . . . In fact, I am crying right now.

    My only hope is that the writers have a plan to pull this altogether and make it work, given the 2 year investment we had in Peter and Olivia.

    I will now go into a fetal position until morning . . .

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    • Fringie6989 says

      Don’t worry KLA! I don’t believe the writers would encourage us to become so invested in Peter and Olivia’s budding relationship only to crush our dreams…we just have to be patient. What fun would it be if we didn’t have the anticipation?

      All that said, I will be in the fetal position all night too

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      • KLA says

        OK– I am recovering. Thanks for the encouragement Fringie6989. I am ready for what is next.

        By the way, was it me, or did fauxlivia look a little horrified when Walter pulled the Grandpa routine? I mean who would want a grandfather who had such a devious plan to ruin the other side.

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          • Fringie6989 says

            Yep I agree. Fauxlivia (never thought I would say this) earned my sympathy tonight. She is just one more pawn in Walternate’s devious game

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            • Aimee says

              That is the only thing to make me feel anything for her. She is going to feel GREAT pain. That tends to give a person perspective. Oh, and what goes around, comes around.

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              • Fringie6989 says

                So true. And once again, this proves to me that the writers know exactly what they are doing. To find a way to make us both loathe and sympathize with Fauxlivia is pretty impressive

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                • WaySeeker says

                  I equate this with the look on her face when their new Boss told Fauxlivia the “secret” that a marriage proposal was in the works!
                  They really lingered on that.
                  She is usually happy and kidding around and not easily rattled that anybody can see … but that look (along with the one at the end with creepy grandpa) was two times we saw her visibly shaken.
                  I really like what the actress did with these two key moments! She is quite the find and a perfect fit for this kind of show! She must be a smart and dedicated person.

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  12. Kris says

    Come on guys… something HAD to happen. There had to be a reason for Peter to return to Fauxlivia and the alternate universe.

    Also I would like to say that I really like Lincoln Lee. I wish he could join the team in the prime universe.

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    • Fringie6989 says

      THANK YOU FOR YOUR OPTIMISM!!!! It had to be something drastic to get Peter to ever come back to that universe

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    • lizw65 says

      Funny you should say that–I’ve decided I officially LOATHE Lincoln Lee–he’s smarmy, smug, devious, immature, and an ineffectual leader to boot. Plus, he looks like a member of a boy band. Give me Peter any day, royally screwed up though he may be. :D

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        • Kira says

          I think that I too hate him…but I’m going to give him a third chance because he’s adjusting to his new position in Fringe Team. However…

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      • runpaceyrun says

        Oh yey ive finally found someone who doesnt like Lincoln either. Not just tonight but right from the first ep he was introduced. I didnt know why tho. In tonights episode he was a little different…a little off. And even though i loathe Altliv…..what was this acting like a 5 year old when he learnt a secret and ran out and told everyone. How old is he? What kind of person does that? And i dont want to see him in our universe either!!!!! He’s gonna cause trouble here too.

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      • number six says

        Lincoln was terrible. That scene, where he’s threatening the evil scientist, what was that? I was cringing so badly. Weird acting choices right there.

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    • Aimee says

      Lincoln totally turned me off when he immediately ran and told Faux about Frank’s plan to propose. We know he despises Frank and loves Liv… jerk ! :D

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        • Kris says

          Hmm I guess I’m the only one that likes Lincoln, but I can understand all of your reasons. He is smug and pompous but I think he adds an element that we dont see with the team in the prime universe. I thought this episode showed a side of him I had never seen before that I kind of liked.

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          • Fringie6989 says

            I’m with you Kris. Lincoln is all those things mentioned above (including being a jerk and immature to run to Fauxlivia and tell her Frank was going to propose) but I think there is more to the character that we havent seen yet

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            • WaySeeker says

              I admit I laughed about Lincoln. He first says he can keep a secret, then he runs and tells Altliv the secret saying “you know I can’t keep a secret”, but at the end of that scene he says something like “you can tell me, I can keep a secret.”

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              • SF says

                I like Linc! I have since day one! But yes, today we got to see he is immature, and it was funny, all that secret stuff. I think it shows his loyalty is with AltLiv, not anyone else. i wonder about Frank’s judgement in telling Linc, maybe he is wary of Linc – subconsciously knows Linc has a thing for AltLiv, and this is his way of warning him off yet again? Guy territorial thing, since AltLIv is so different since he came back, Frank knows something is up. I definitely think Linc has a thing for AltLiv. And I liked him being in charge of the team and it was kind of fun to see him make those mistakes – like a new person would. I don’t know that he is AltLiv’s equal, but he really likes her.

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  13. Limejuice says

    It’s only fair that Peter gets Olivia Pregnant too now, that way we have some balance LOL. How awesome would it be to father too different Children in two different universes, to make it more interesting, make one a boy and the other a girl.

    In all seriousness though, I’m done with Fringe after this season, I actually hope this is the last one now and that it ends well. No point in a forth season if the main focus is Soap-opera, they might as well change the show title to “Days of Our Universes”.

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    • runpaceyrun says

      Dont ever give up on Fringe. Its an awesome show. Its just the current storyline some of us cant cope with. And if it can elicit so much reaction from fans…then they must be doing comething right. Please stick with it….i am sure there will be a payoff for fans before seasons end!

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    • FinChase says

      “It’s only fair that Peter gets Olivia Pregnant too now, that way we have some balance LOL. How awesome would it be to father too different Children in two different universes, to make it more interesting, make one a boy and the other a girl.”

      The guy who apparently can’t afford to drive anything better than his daddy’s ancient station wagon does not need to be paying child support for children in two different universes! :)

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      • runpaceyrun says

        Can he pay child support in both universes? He will have to work in both universes as the pictures on the Over There money are different….the commute will be torture. Some how i dont think a bank transfer between worlds will work. Currency exchange would be a nightmare.

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        • Cherioki says

          Maybe PeeBee can use that machine to travel between universes, have two different lives, screw two different wives – albeit the same, and raise two different children. Wow, saying all this makes me envious of PeeBee, he may just be the Luckiest SOB in the universes.

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  14. lizw65 says

    The glyphs for this week spell ROMAD, which according to Google stands for:
    Radio Operator Maintenance And Driver.
    I have NO idea how that can possibly fit into the current story line, but I have to admit it’s got me curious. And while I was hoping they wouldn’t go the pregnancy route, I did like the reveal–no sneaking off quietly to abort for Olivia, not with Walternate and the entire team in the know. I agree with those who said he has to be the most sinister grandpa ever–and what was up with his equally creepy mistress (the Joan Chen character) who seemed to know what was going on before it happened? I hope we haven’t seen the last of her.

    Oh, and did anyone spot the Observer?

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      • lizw65 says

        The final glyph was of the apple with TWO fetuses (feti?), soooo…
        This is just wild speculation on my part, but I’m wondering if something like a spontaneous pregnancy may happen to Olivia over here (recall those promo pics of her looking pale and ill) or if she’ll at least start to exhibit the physical symptoms, thus tipping off the gang to Alt-Liv’s condition. (I don’t think it means twins for Alt-Liv, as they would have discovered that when they did the sonogram.)

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        • number six says

          Immaculate conception? Now that would be fringie. However, it could mean that Fauxlivia is pregnant with twins… or it could mean nothing at all.

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    • loveit says

      it is also a slang US air force term that means a group of men that were tricked into a job no one else wanted to do. I think it might indicate that Fauxlivia was somehow tricked into getting pregnant. Perhaps this is why Newton seemed to push her in the direction of Peter’s bed….? Devious Walternate!

      I was pretty annoyed last night, but this morning I feel like it COULD be interesting. My only hope is I want our Olive to be FURIOUS, not broken and upset. I want Olive back fighting.

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  15. KLA says

    I will try and remember what Josh Jackson said in his interview about sticking with the show for the next few episodes, and then there will be another season. That is still what I want, so I am on board with an open mind waiting to be blown away by the writers.

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    • FinChase says

      Interesting. Is that supposed to indicate that AltLivia was tricked by Walternate into seducing Peter and becoming the *gag* “mother of his grandchild”? Or does it refer to Peter be duped?

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  16. Cherioki says

    Joshua Jackson’s next TV role would have be “The New Adventures of Jesus”, starring as Jesus, since I’m sure he is sick of all this Love Triangle Stuff.

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  17. JC says

    What bothers me the most about this pregnancy plot is that it doesn’t add up. You would think that Altlivia knows how to keep herself from getting pregnant based on the baby-free relationship she kept with Frank. From her shocked reaction when she heard the news, it doesn’t seem like she did it intentionally. If she prevented the pregnancy while she’s with Frank, then why should it change with Peter? Right now, the pregnancy storyline feels more forced than a natural chain of events.

    What did the guy in the end mean by “spell my name right”?

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    • JaneDoe32 says

      he brought back an extinct bug that was needed to make a vaccine that would cure some illness 4got which one and wanted his spelled right since he was the one 2 bring back an extinct bug n the vaccine.

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    • says

      He wanted history to acknowledge his influence on the world with his discovery, just like Jonas Salk, who first developed and tested the polio vaccine.

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    • lizw65 says

      Well, we know that regulating the population Over There is a big issue, so maybe birth control works differently than it does Over Here…I dunno, maybe Alt-Liv had some kind of semi-permanent implant that didn’t survive the crossover into this universe or something? I’m just grasping at straws here, as I honestly don’t think getting pregnant was part of her assignment–she looked totally shocked by the news, and frankly, as Walternate’s Master Plan, it has way too many holes. Not that I’m sure he won’t hesitate to exploit it for all it’s worth, of course.

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      • FinChase says

        Yeah, I’ve thought along similar lines. I definitely don’t think it was part of the plan. I’m not sure if even seducing Peter was part of the plan. I think she was told to get close to him, to gain his trust completely. Thanks to Newton’s prodding and what she thought Peter and Olivia’s relationship was, this was the result.

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        • FringeFriday says

          Don’t think either… Remember Altivia’s face when Peter kissed her… she was like “oh my gosh, go away”, she didn’t want to fall in love either…
          she might think about abortion but now that scary grandpa Walt is in the picture he won’t let her do that…. last option–> Boy Wonder to the Rescue!!!!

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          • says

            I think that they consummated the relationship when Bolivia invited Peter back into her apartment and as soon as the door was closed, there was no turning back. It was a two way street, with our Mata Hari using everything she’s got to sleep with the enemy. Now that is taking double agent to a new level.

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            • ronald says

              Im from Peru, and here, in the fight against terrorism, an intellegence agent got married, pregnant, and started a family with one of the heads of the narcoterrorists, they were together for 8 years, I think, and when she got everything she wanted from him she gave him to justice…
              Being a true spy is a big deal =S .

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    • alexis says

      i definitely agree with you!! that’s one of the things that i find less believable about this whole story and it does make it look forced. as an adult woman i guarantee that if you really (REALLY) don’t want to get pregnant, you don’t!!!

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      • loveit says

        This is also a sci-fi based show with a creepy Grandpa/Ruler of the World desperate to get Peter back. Who knows what happened. Plus the glyph for the episode suggests Fauxlivia is a pawn that was somehow tricked into this…

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    • Fringie6989 says

      As long as the fans remain loyal, Fringe won’t be done for a long time. One storyline will not deter the millions of loyal fans who have stuck with it for over two years

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      • charliefan19 says

        I’m inclined to agree with you, James… :P I hope that doesn’t happen but i am rather disappointed. Aarrgh,

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    • Alexia says

      What a supportive fan you are. Sticking with the show through its ups and downs.

      Seriously dude,have some faith in TPTB. Jeff Pinkner and Joel H Wyman say that they are gonna to something completely unexpected. I am not in love with the baby-thing either, but we’ll just have to trust the writers in this.

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  18. FinChase says

    Walternate has a mistress! That was a creepy-looking relationship, wasn’t it? So it looks like Walter managed to shatter not only his own marriage, but also alternate Walter and Elizabeth’s.

    I thought it was interesting that none of the Fringe team has been told about Alt-Broyles, even AltLivia. And no one knows about her mission but Walternate’s team. It must be hard for her, having no one she can tell about what she saw and experienced.

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    • lizw65 says

      Yeah, and she can’t tell anyone who the father of her child is, either, not even her mother, without sounding like a raving lunatic and probably violating all kinds of protocols as well.
      I won’t go so far as to say I feel sorry for her, but I think she’s become a lot more interesting now that she’ll be forced to grow up and put someone else first.

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      • FinChase says

        I thought she was definitely more interesting. She’s more likeable in her own world, when she’s not trying to be SuperMole.

        I still haven’t gotten past the shooting of the deaf guy, though.

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        • FinChase says

          Although to be fair, it wasn’t the age part that was creepy. As someone else commented, sex doesn’t stop at age 50. But there was just something “off” about that. I wonder if we’ll find that this woman has been sort of the force behind Walternate all along. And I implied that Walter’s kidnapping of Peter also destroyed Walternate and Elizabethnate’s marriage, but in fact, we don’t know that. He may have had a mistress for a long time.

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          • Isa says

            I watched the episode again, and this Reiko woman is very, very wierd. There’s something up with this lady. She sounded a bit like Sam Weiss, I don’t know… very manipulative, as if she has a… VAGENDA! LOL

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  19. Fringie6989 says

    I am upset about the whole pregnancy thing as much as anyone else (I yelled at the tv for 10 minutes after) but I am more upset about the people saying that Fringe has failed and/or that they won’t be watching it anymore. This is a storyline people…the writers have said they already have season 5 planned out! I think giving up on this awesome show because of one storyline when we have had two seasons worth of storylines to keep us hooked is ridiculous. There needed to be a reason to get Peter back. For all we know, Olivia will cross over with Peter (and maybe even Walter) to face off Fauxlivia, Walternate, Brandonate, etc…this doesnt have to mean the end of the relationships that have been built over the last two years. Right now, I can’t even blame Fauxlivia for tricking Peter because she looked shocked (unfortunately also a little thrilled) but her whole life is being changed too thanks to Walternate’s little schemes to get Peter back. She looked truly sorry about hurting Frank. Plus, just because Fauxlivia is pregnant doesnt mean that Peter will choose her because of that fact. I do believe he will fight for his child and not abandon that child but that could mean any number of things…its not exclusive to Peter blowing Olivia off to go have a happy little family with Fauxlivia. Right now, I see Fauxlivia as being a victim as much as Peter and Olivia. They are all being used by Walternate and Brandonate (who knows who from our side) to promote their own agendas (or vagendas).

    I never would have believed that I would be sympathetic to Fauxlivia, even early today before this episode but right now until I see that Fauxlivia is using this child to manipulate Peter, then I feel that way. That tells me that the writers did in fact earn that right to show us those characters in a way that would be hard for us to choose…and that speaks very highly to the skills of the writers. I have complete faith in the writers and its funny because all the negativity I have read has only increased my believe that the writers are going to throw a curveball that no one expects and will show us that we didn’t need to worry about Fringe going downhill.

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    • real1 says

      Fauxlivia is not victim . NO she is not . she did call Peter by herself and used her vagenda . she is not victim and I hate her .

      This baby will be just as a cursed baby ever ! … no matter what they will say or do … I truly wished that they didn’t do it and by this simply way . maybe after all the bad guy was lying .. and she is infected by another thing which will mutate the baby ?

      And to say that Peter will go back for her ….. I said before that Peter did left his real mother and real father and real universe to be with Olivia … so no sense of all of that . I mean the idea of Peter will go back to save his child . it’s a fulty baby !

      am still in denial ..

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        • real1 says

          he wasn’t with her to dictate on her what to do , just as how she was begging the bad man to not infect her .. that he has a choice , same with her she has a choice to do it or not . she is not a victim , she is a player who can play as how the game can change !, without any principe no … i feel nothing for her and i will fee nothing for Peter too !

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          • Fringie6989 says

            I don’t mean to say that Fauxlivia isn’t at all responsible for what happened. I am TICKED at her for what she did. I am ticked at Peter for not admitting the differences though he knew in his gut that something was off. The only innocent one in all of this mess is Olivia. I am completely 100% on Olivias side with all of this, but I do think Walternate tried to use Peter, then used Fauxlivia to trick Peter and the rest of the team. As mad as I am at Peter and Fauxlivia’s misdeeds, it doesnt negate the fact that they were used (no matter how willingly, because they didn’t understand all the facts) as tools to get Walternates agenda pushed forward. Fauxlivia has a lot of apologizing to do, but so does Peter, Walter, etc etc…Plus, we just don’t know the full story so I don’t think we can fully judge the characters until we do (if we ever fully know the story)

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              • Fringie6989 says

                One other thing. I think if Fauxlivia has the chance to use the baby to keep Peter, she will use it. I haven’t forgiven her yet, not by a long shot…

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    • KLA says

      Fringie6989- Well said. I am with you, and I also feel sorry for her, and bet that Henry, Olivia, Peter and Walter will end up helping her.

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  20. Count Screwloose says

    NEXT TIME ON A FRINGE YOU DARE NOT MISS!

    The team tackles a mysterious pizza from the Other Side that turns brains into purple oatmeal!

    Broyles: This mysterious pizza sometimes seems sexy and playful, but other times seems broken and withdrawn…

    Peter: Boo hoo hoo!

    Olivia: Wah wah wah!

    Walter: Where’s my pants?

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  21. augusta says

    i am sticking with fringe even though i am deeply disappointed with this turn of events. After some deep breathing, I have been able to accept the preganancy bit, and even the possibility that Fauxlivia could actually deserve some attention but I can’t get over the writers cheapening of our Olivia. She is barely functioning over here, meanwhile they are seem to be putting all their efforts into Fauxlivia. I think that they are talented enough to make Fauxlivia worthy of compassion while still giving us the Olivia we know and love, but that isn’t what they are doing, and I don’t like that. Even if Olivia is feeling down about Peter and the results of the switch (which she has every right to do) can’t they show another side of her to remind us there’s more to her than her job and her “love” for Peter? What about her promise to Broyles? What about her unstable abilities? What about Ella and Rachel? Even a phone call — or a mention of a phone call would help. I just need something to let me know that the writers remember that there is more to Olivia than whether or not she is appealing to mr. boy wonder-who-doesn’t-even-notice-when-she-disappears (sorry. mostly over the bitterness there, but not quite). Her character was about more than that.

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    • alexis says

      agreed!!! although i have to say i enjoyed this episode (and altlivia) more than i thought i would i don’t like how they’ve been addressing things “over here”. imo, yesterday’s episode did portray a quite compelling group of people and an interesting dynamic. i like altlivia better “over there”, that is, when she’s not scr*wing around “over here” and everyone she finds in the meantime.
      but i too feel like they are not showing the side of olivia that we are used to seeing. everything revolves around how devastated she is about this whole peter-altlivia thing, instead of what a strong person she is. she’s a survivor, and i want her back!!

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  22. Pestana Freitas says

    Let’s wait…. I think that we will be very surprised in the end like the producers are saying. Let’s wait

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    • Fringie6989 says

      I have not heard wiser words than that tonight. “Let’s wait.” We don’t know the whole story yet so lets take a deep breathe and let the writers do the writing that has us all so hooked on this amazing show in the first place!

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  23. M says

    Olivia: Hey, what happened to Broyles?
    Lincoln: Whatevs. Check out my new office!

    Even in death, Broyles doesn’t get to keep a decent office.

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  24. runpaceyrun says

    If i close my eyes tight and wish really really hard…could we skip to the end where Peter chooses neither of the Olivia’s in order to preserve both universes…and he is then able to use the device to stop the degredation of both worlds. Then i could stop being full of angst, stress and frustration ……a girl can dream.

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    • Century says

      Oh great, if someone replies to an earlier comment, I actually get bumped down, I look quite the fool.

      Anyways, Walternate has a mistress now.. lol careful now Peter might have a half brother. And does Peter’s baby make both Walters Grandpas? Oh Fringe where are you going with this. The standalone cases are quite boring, seems like all you need to is watch the last 5 minutes to be up-to-date.

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  25. FinChase says

    That Brandonate is one cold SOB. Did anyone notice how eager he was to dissect that poor Cortexiphan victim’s brain? He really enjoys that, doesn’t he? Pity he couldn’t do it while the guy was still alive and conscious!

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    • Fringie6989 says

      I know. I think Brandonate creeps me out the most…the way he got so excited about cutting Olivia’s brain out to “study” it and then these poor cortexiphan victims…scary scary. Plus, it seems like Brandonate feeds a lot of these schemes to Walternate. I think we should be more scared of Brandonate than even Walternate

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      • runpaceyrun says

        You are right….Brandonate is one cold hearted man…..always ready with a knife or bone saw! If our Brandon ever met Brandonate he would be horrified. I know this season is all about duality….but the 2 different Brandons, are on the surface at least..polar opposites! Brandonate is at least open about what he wants to do to his little experimental subjects whereas Walternates motives are hidden and he is manipulative and devious. I still think we have cause to be wary of both of them!

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        • Kira says

          I guess we don’t know what Brandon does aside those times when He’s called to explain or demonstrate something.
          I believe he’s curious enough to cross the line. We’ll see.

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    • FringeFriday says

      Very scary, indeed. I was so surprised Walternate forbid the trials on children. How dissapointed Brandonate looked!!!! He might think of doing the trials secretly…

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  26. Cherioki says

    What? No more sheep in the Alt-universe? New Zealanders will be shattered. Why do I get the feeling that Peter’s baby will be treated with Cortixephan, when you add that to its potential First people DNA… looks like this kid will be the next Neo.

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  27. runpaceyrun says

    Ok this observation is a little left of centre but im going to say it any way. Whilst watching the scene with Walternate and his mistress, besides being totally icky, creepy and somewhat insidious….i noticed something familiar…or at least it reminded me of something.
    Walternate and his mistress reminded me of Rupert Murdoch and his wife Wendi Deng. Rupert being the head of the FOX. Were the writers , producers giving a little nod and a wink to the man himself….or could they have been having a subtle dig? Or could it have been that i was so thrown by the ickyness of the scene that in order not to poke my eyes out…i had to think of something else. Mmmmmm just a thought….check out some picks and see if you can see what i mean.

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      • lizw65 says

        Some viewers have been saying that the mistress gave off a First People vibe…not seeing that, myself, but there definitely was something creepy and almost hypnotic about her. I got the sense that she was manipulating/controlling events to a degree, or at least had some future knowledge–kind of like an Over There Nina Sharp.

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        • runpaceyrun says

          LizW65, she was indeed very manipulative and controlling in that scene. It would be about the only time we have seen Walternate not in full and total control. But, from that scene onwards i knew the writers were taking us towards the alt-uni baby….just by the comments Walternate made. He really is (imo) a heartless man. He was still thinking of ways to use his son.
          Can i just reiterate…..that scene really grossed me out!

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  28. kidentropia says

    The baby story arc better be interesting. The baby better be the forefather of the First People; he better travel in time to a distant past, or he better be taken to a third universe that will eventually give birth to the twin universes we already know. Fringe writers: you got a potentially awesome story there. Please don´t blow it!

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  29. mlj102 says

    It actually wasn’t as bad as I was expecting. That’s not to say that I like it. Quite the opposite, I still despise it. But it came out in a pretty good way and I’m actually quite intrigued to see how it plays out. And that reaction is more than I could have hoped for going into this episode. I think I’m more accepting of the story in regards to how it will play out over there than I am when I think of the consequences it means for over here. For now, I’m willing to wait and see what happens.

    I find it odd that alternate Olivia has three guys (Frank, Lincoln, and Peter) who are all in love with her to some extent. I just don’t see how she’s that special. Well, one way or another, I imagine it’s safe to assume she’ll end up with someone. I’m not quite sure what it was that Peter did that caused alternate Olivia to develop feelings for him. She wasn’t over here for too long, yet in that time, he managed to take over as the person she loves most, passing over both Lincoln and Frank. She must not have had a very deep relationship with Frank if that’s the case. I suppose it just feels a bit contrived to me that she managed to develop real feelings for him when she was already in a long term relationship.

    I wasn’t expecting Frank to propose to her. And I wasn’t expecting her to say yes. I liked the way that all played out and tied into the rest of the episode. For awhile there I actually thought they might get married and, in a way, I’m disappointed that it got called off. Actually, I think I would have preferred to see her attempt to fall back in love with Frank and get married as opposed to the baby story. Oh well.

    It was rather appropriate to see alternate Olivia facing some of the consequences of her being away. For the first part of the episode, her life seemed too good, especially when you consider what Olivia’s life was when she returned to it. Perhaps it’s unkind of me, but I felt a small amount of satisfaction to see her life start crumbling down around her as she started to feel some of the weight of it all start to rest upon her. I appreciated seeing that vulnerable side to her and seeing her having to face the unpleasant consequences of her actions. It wouldn’t be right if she was able to go on living a happy, carefree life while Olivia and Peter are struggling to pick up the pieces of their lives that have been shattered by her.

    Actually, the whole pregnancy reveal wasn’t even my least favorite part of the episode. My least favorite scene was the scene with Walternate and the random lady. That whole development came from out of left field and it made no sense. It was odd, awkward, and completely took me out of the scene. The actual conversation was significant and relevant, and I wanted to focus on it and enjoy the insight into Walternate’s character and his motivations, but that whole setting and the random lady with him made it impossible for me to really appreciate any of that character development. What in the world was that all about? I think a scene like that would have carried a great deal more weight if it had been between Walternate and Elizabeth. I did not like that at all. There needed to be at least some background or introduction into that. It did not work for me.

    So essentially what I’m saying is that the episode was better than I’d expected and I’m not giving up on the show or any of its stories anytime soon, but I am ready to come back over here. Next week looks really promising!

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    • Kira says

      Certainly, that scene with RL (works too for Reiko lady), was a WTH moment… Right now I don’t want to see it again, but maybe is VR?
      I’m thinking on the clean, relaxing feeling of the bedroom.

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      • William Bishop says

        I agree with you two, when I saw the scene I got completly lost and when I saw the kiss I almost puked my breakfast (I’m from Brazil, so I can only see episodes in the mornig after)! Really I could get one hundred times more invested in the baby story-line if I don’t have to see anything like that again! EVER!

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    • Steffi says

      Actually, the whole pregnancy reveal wasn’t even my least favorite part of the episode. My least favorite scene was the scene with Walternate and the random lady. That whole development came from out of left field and it made no sense. It was odd, awkward, and completely took me out of the scene. The actual conversation was significant and relevant, and I wanted to focus on it and enjoy the insight into Walternate’s character and his motivations, but that whole setting and the random lady with him made it impossible for me to really appreciate any of that character development. What in the world was that all about? I think a scene like that would have carried a great deal more weight if it had been between Walternate and Elizabeth. I did not like that at all. There needed to be at least some background or introduction into that. It did not work for me.

      This. I’m glad that at least SOMEONE mentions it. I could take the pregnancy easily because I was expecting it, but this scene? It really ruined the episode for me. I actually couldn’t concentrate on what they said in the scene because I was too busy not puking at my PC. If they couldn’t have had the Eliznate actress back, why not have this conversation with another person Walternate trusts in, why did they have to show him in bed with a mistress??

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      • alexis says

        I’ve said it before but i’ll say it again because it really troubled me…: that scene with walternate and the mistress was unnecessary and disgusting!!!

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        • says

          I am surprised because Walter has a kept woman, who is available for his sexual pleasure, an asian courtesan named Reiko. Walternate must be very wealthy. LOL !!

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    • Hatch says

      That didn’t bother me at all. It actually fleshed Walternate out a bit and humanized him. I got the feeling from “Over There” that Walternate and Elizabeth(nate?) were estranged – and it makes sense. He’s a man of power, who spends much of his time away from home working. So he becomes estranged from his wife, and has a mistress that now knows him better. Sounds exactly like any number of real-world powerful figures, doesn’t it? Especially politicians.

      And this isn’t directed at you mlj, but people really need to chill with the “ewwww old man kissing, OMG so grosssss” attitude. We aren’t 14 years old. People in their 60s are still human; they’re allowed to kiss. I know it’s abhorrent to some young people to think anyone born before 1960 would take a break from knitting socks and have a single sexual thought – much less ACT on it – but it happens. .

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      • Jen says

        I too believe that Walternate and Elizabeth are seperated but I think the reason is likely because of the stress put on a marriage after your child is abducted.

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      • Kira says

        I have no problem with that. I agree with what you say about politicians and mistress.
        What got my attention it’s what Reiko is voicing; this is very like Walter speaking to himself, when He tries to find a leverage. And in some way calls back to the request he did to both Elizabeth (s). “I need you not to doubt me”.
        Walternate has his own deep wounds, and I wonder if it’s only about guilty and/or pride.

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  30. JM says

    OK, so i have never commented on FB before and i normally just come on the site to look at new promo’s and stuff and read all your comments because i find your insights interesting. But this episode has made me want to comment because, as soon as the rumours came out fauxlivia was pregnant i knew it was probably gonna be true, and tbh i do not see how peter can possibly get with EITHER olivia now and yes i was p/o shipper for season 1 and 2 but HOW will that possibly work!? prime olivia will think how he slept with altolivia all the time and WHY would peter want to be with altlivia because she lied to him/seduced him etc. he would never trust her and their relationship wouldnt work, but now shes got the ball and chain (the baby, which tbh is not gonna be as cool as it would have been prime olivia had the baby, as it would then have cortexiphan/weird machine skills and basically be like neo as someone else said) but anyway i think fringe has taken a weird turn but as im gonna watch it anyway and im in england so dont affect its ratings this dosent really matter. Anyway while my rant is in full affect, they are making peter pathetic and this is disapointing considering he is my fav character and he was so cool in season 1 (torturing people with cups to get information) less cool in season 2 but still fav and now gets conned and is generally shit,when reciprocity aired i thought things are looking up and then this happens, tbh its about type he sikes out and has a murderous rampage or kills himself!

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    • JM says

      But i forgot to mention fringe is still QUALITY compared to most tv shows and i thought the episode was pretty good considering…. and next episode “6B” looks like its gonna be awesome

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    • Dylan says

      Peter’s always been a problem though, for multiple reasons.

      He was too generic in seasons 1 and 2 for what he was meant to be (con artist, rebellious genius, etc) and the actor, try as he might, just can’t get away from people seeing him as his old character in ‘Dawson’s Creek’ – that will haunt him forever.

      Lastly, with this love relationship, it’s unfortunate because, while he’s no doubt trying, there just isn’t that much chemistry on his part with Torv. He was no doubt aware of this also, given how uncomfortable he was with the relationship-direction.

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      • JM says

        i agree with most of that, apart from the chemistry bit i thought that was always there, also you bring up rebellious genius but as he is supposed to have an IQ of 190 or w/e how is he so thick!?

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        • annon says

          Why is he so thick? The reason is because Peter is used as a plot device on this show. He had to be thick for the duping of Peter/relationship story that Fauxlivia had on this side. For that story to work, Peter had to be clueless. For the triangle to still be in play, they now have Peter still having feelings for Bolivia, when in reality he just shouldn’t. The writers are now changing the characters thoughts/rationalisations to fit in with the story arc.

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  31. Dylan says

    I really wish they didn’t spoil the twist in ‘firefly’ (that line of dialogue that got everyone thinking about it). It would have been much more surprising if they did.

    I think I’ve finally come to terms with it. It’s here, and I’ll reserve judgement until I’ve seen the season finale and what the writer’s have chosen to do with it.

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    • runpaceyrun says

      This was the first time ever that i have not voted between 7 -10. I am glad though that i did not watch any previews for this ep or read any advance reviews…it would have spoilt this episode for me even more. I cannot get over how angry i am that the writers took this option…..there are plenty of other compelling ways to get Peter back to the alt-universe. I mean he has to go back at some point but this…..this just makes me mad! I hope they deal with this quickly.
      I love Fringe and am still obsessed by it but am just so bewildered at the moment as to where exactly we are being taken. I hope the fan reaction doesnt hinder our bid for a season 4,5 and 6. Please Mr Pinkner and Mr Wyman get out there with the hard sell and give us some hope that things are going to come good. I want this love triangle thingy to end….i never even wanted Olivia and Peter to get together in the first place….so i have been dragged into this storyline reluctantly and am now full of angst and frustration. Bring back the father son relationship stuff that i signed on for…..the stuff that i just love.

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      • Dylan says

        I’m thinking that any worries audience members are having is being accentuated by the mystery of its direction. Unlike the first half, where we knew where the storyline was heading – towards the revelation of Olivia being trapped and the collision between Over Here and Fauxlivia, the second half is without any obvious direction other than the machine – which is a mystery in itself.

        Hopefully there will be a satisfying payoff, in which all these worries will be remedied.

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        • lizw65 says

          I was thinking this morning that the audience has been taken out of their comfort zone…and a lot of viewers don’t like to be made uncomfortable. They prefer a predictable formula with characters they can spend an hour with every week like visiting old friends (remember what the first season was like?) As it now stands, the show could go in any number of different directions, not necessarily positive, familiar, happy, and comforting ones–and that has the viewers worried. (Personally, I love being taken out of the comfort zone, but that’s just me. :D)

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          • number six says

            This is very possible. I’ve also been thinking about the complaints about the show becoming a soap opera. I am one of those, who preferred the P/O relationship to be in the background, but the danger is that, if you’re not a shipper, you don’t see or imagine to see the relationship develop, at all.

            This is my case. I admit my favorite thing about Fringe is the relationship between Walter and Peter, which has always been central and far from background noise. Olivia’s love life, however, was never the strongest point of the show. I blame the John Scott Era of Boredom. She has been the action hero and her emotional side has been more about Ella and Rachel, who have only appeared in 6 or 7 episodes in total than anything.

            Her relationship with Peter, as I saw it, was about work and something that looked like friendship with a large amount of lack of trust on her part. Suddenly, she declares something I suppose it’s meant to be love *shrugs*. It came out of nowhere and it made me wonder if it was a decision she made, after she saw Fauxlivia with Frank, because she felt lonely.

            A little more development would have been appreciated by this viewer if they wanted me to believe she was sincere.

            So damned if you and damned if you don’t.

            If they intend to make Peter and Olivia a believable couple, I hope they dedicate enough time and care to them, without taking over the show, of course. If not, just kill the rabid dog, before it’s too late.

            The pregnancy doesn’t bother me that much after the initial shock, but I hope they do something interesting with it. I’m interested to see, how it will affect Peter in particular.

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    • Page 48 says

      Actually, if you want to take it a step further, it’s the first episode with no Over Here characters at all. The lack of Peter (oops, Joshua) doesn’t concern me as much as the 41 minute bug-of-the-week stuff used to set up a 90 second payoff.

      This is something that has crept back into the show in recent weeks, which is disappointing after such a stellar start to Season 3.

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  32. says

    I liked it. I liked seeing the AU. I liked the gross out. It’s been awhile since Finge made me squirm and that’s always been part of its appeal. I liked that Walternate wouldn’t start a new round of Cortexifan trials. I didn’t really like the last three episodes all that much, and this one felt a lot more like, “Fringe,” to me. I’m also a sucker for Charlie Francis in any universe.

    But seriously, I don’t care one way or another how P/O goes, and I’m totally OK with the pregnancy story. It’s making the First People, and the Machine make sense that the Writers are going to have to work on me. There better be a damn good reason that Peter Bishop is bonded to a machine from a million years ago.

    Either way, best sci fi show on the air, best since BSG, and better than the X Files.

    I feel bad for Frank.

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    • Alt-Lex says

      So, i didn’t read all comments but to this one i can agree. Last episode was a little bit lame, but this one i find much better. And the baby-thing.. i feel quite comfort with it..

      You say you feel bad for Frank, i, too. But also bad for our Olivia. Im getting into the Idea that our Olivia, somehow come together with Lincoln. Wouldn’t that be nice : ) Because he care for Fauxlivia, so maybe in some way it is possible her cares for Olivia too… (maybe they show us that licoln was from over here – episode “subject 13″ anyone?! just a quick idea, and not impossible, by remember the cross over with the other corthexiphan kids, where Nick remembers licoln…)

      so, more thoughts later ; )

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      • Alt-Lex says

        Just watched the scene from the CrossOver (seconds before burning on the bridge). Scrambled something. Lincoln remembers Nick. But still possible…

        And to the grin from Walternate at the End: very cringy

        But in general, it was interesting to see, that Walternate, don’t wan’t to cross the line that Walter think he had to cross. I think it take an direction that maybe our Walter is more harmful for the Universes getting crushed than Walternate. Poor Walter, first set everything in motion with getting Peter over Here, and now thinking making it right, but making it more worse….

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      • William Bishop says

        I think it’s the opposite: Lincoln remembers Nick (which for some reason this haven’t been explained yet) and has some connection to the Cortexifan trials. And although I’m not a huge fan of the pregnancy I hope the writers will bring good things from that.

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        • nathan says

          I liked the episode, and have faith in the writers. They haven’t let me down yet. Hoping to god the ratings hold – I can see we’re they’re taking us and I want to see it out !

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      • FringeFriday says

        maybe lincoln and nick are related!? Maybe Lincoln was part of the trials but wanted out/got out or something… I am very curious about that.

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    • SF says

      ” It’s making the First People, and the Machine make sense that the Writers are going to have to work on me. There better be a damn good reason that Peter Bishop is bonded to a machine from a million years ago.

      Either way, best sci fi show on the air, best since BSG, and better than the X Files.

      I feel bad for Frank.”

      LOL! I feel bad for Frank too. Totally agree with your sci-fi/BSG/X-Files comments. Much prefer AltLiv pregnant to Scully’s alien baby impregnation which drove me nuts. And there had better be a darned good reason why Peter is bonded to that machine!!! I can hardly wait, I do enjoy this show so much. Now that I’m over the shock of AltLiv actually being pregnant, I’m sitting back to see just how this all plays out. Creepy Walternate Grandpa = designs on the baby, plus maybe delighted he has a way to get Peter back. If Peter can barely handle being in a relationship (Liv! you’ve changed, just for me!), how is he going to handle being a father?

      My real question though is: does Sam Weiss know about the baby?

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  33. Frobz says

    My my…there’s more shouting and crying going on here than I expected. Speaking of expectations, we all kind of KNEW the preggo angle was coming. Not sure why everyone hates it so much either. I can’t see the entirety of Fringe boiling down to a “he loves me he loves me not” style of plot…let’s not start turning off until the season plays itself out shall we?

    Now, details. Walternate having a mistress made sense if you think about the finale from last year. Peter’s mother seemed a bit shellshocked and unwilling to talk about “your fath…Walter” in direct terms. Now we know why.

    The bug scientist was kind of run-of-the-mill until the end, where he talks about his destiny being “interrupted” by the universe falling apart. Until now we’ve seen people on “our side” who never amounted to much while their alternates became great. Now we at least see that people in the alt-universe had their lives interrupted as well.

    Lincoln could have been written better, instead of running around with puppy dog eyes for Olivia. I find it hard to believe that Olivia doesn’t know about the fate of Broyles considering she was swapped with him…what, did she miss all the blood and severed limbs?

    The whining about “getting Peter to come back” didn’t really fit. Are we to believe Walternate has just been sitting around moping? I thought he had a master plan? So what’s the deal with The Machine existing on BOTH sides?

    Overall I thought it was a week episode, and that’s not because of the dreaded pregnancy. It just seemed like they ran out of ideas for the alternate universe.

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    • Page 48 says

      “It just seemed like they ran out of ideas for the alternate universe.”

      There was really nothing at stake (except perhaps Walternate’s marriage). Over There, or Over Here for that matter, is much more interesting to watch when there is something on the line…like Olivia’s life.

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    • FinChase says

      “Lincoln could have been written better, instead of running around with puppy dog eyes for Olivia. I find it hard to believe that Olivia doesn’t know about the fate of Broyles considering she was swapped with him…what, did she miss all the blood and severed limbs?”

      Well, we don’t really know what she saw when she came across on the other side. There may not have been anything left for her to see, and Alt-Broyles may have actually been sent through from Boston. I sort of thought she knew he was dead at the end of “Entrada”, but maybe not. At any rate, since the official line is that Broyles has disappeared/been kidnapped, she couldn’t tell anyone about it. BTW, how cruel is that for Alt-Broyles’ poor family, not knowing what’s happened to him?

      Totally agree that Lincoln was not as well written as he has been in earlier episodes. Maybe the real AltLivia just has an unfortunate effect on his brain. At one point, when he was floundering, trying to piece things together, I wondered for an instant if he was going to turn to AltLivia and ask why she wasn’t coming up with those great intuitive leaps that she did a few weeks ago.

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      • SF says

        “Maybe the real AltLivia just has an unfortunate effect on his brain. At one point, when he was floundering, trying to piece things together, I wondered for an instant if he was going to turn to AltLivia and ask why she wasn’t coming up with those great intuitive leaps that she did a few weeks ago.”

        LOL! I did too, FinChase! I kept waiting for him to stare her expectantly…..and I really think he has a thing for her. Which is ok, but it was odd seeing him run to AltLiv and spill the beans, just like would happen in grade school. Yeesh, he’s supposed to be in charge of Fringe Division? Like I said above though, it was kind of interesting to seeing him feel his way into the new role, too. I really want to know what his connection to Nick is.

        Anyway, other than that, liked how he got himself out of trouble like that. Certainly AltLiv was no help!

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  34. Count Screwloose says

    Actually, you know what would explain a lot of Lincoln’s behavior? If he and Dunham had been carrying on a clandestine affair.

    And if the child is, in fact, his.

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        • lizw65 says

          Well, if she was going to bend the truth, she could just as easily have said “two months” so Frank would think the baby was his, but because of the way the episode was written she couldn’t easily bluff her way out of this one.

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          • FringeFriday says

            My thoughts excactly… she wanted to marry Frank, why not say 8 weeks? She fooled everyone over here and had no problem with that. But I guess she really fell for Peter that’s why she couldn’t/wouldn’t lie… sigh…

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            • SF says

              Ok, so she’d try to seduce a guy she doesn’t like initially, in order to keep her deception going with him, but she can’t lie when her secret is discovered by the guy she does love? Or anyone else for that matter? Maybe FauxLivia doesn’t know that she can’t lie!

              I do believe that she has feelings for Peter, but you don’t just fall out of love with another person like that. What happened to her feelings for Frank? Does she love both of them? Poor guy. I do really feel for him. She’s lied to now to both of the men she loves. And neither guy appreciates it. Now she’s got creepy Walternate hovering over her. What if she is having a kind of molebaby and it eats its way out of her? gross. What did travelling between the universes twice do to her? And the little one? Who should be scrambled by now with that little trip. There has got to be some kind of explanation for how she was able to go across twice without side effects, and same for the baby. If Peter isn’t travelling so well between worlds (see all the Observer hints and Bell and Walter), then we can’t expect his baby to……so many questions!!!

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  35. Lys... from the city of Ulisses! says

    Just seen it. And I liked it! But definitely gonna watch it again…

    Now… who’s Reiko? And how long has the Secretary been cheating on Elizabeth?? No, scratch that: WHO’S REIKO?! And how will she play along in the plot?? I get it that she’s supposed to give us more depth in terms of the evil Walternate and allow us to see that there are no rights or wrongs in here and that basically, we’re not that different but… WTH?? Did we really need a Reiko, couldn’t they have done that with Elizabeth? I got some mixed feelings about this…

    And I gotta say that I loathed Altlivia (she was waay to cocky and confident for me, borderline arrogant) but now, I don’t know how nor why I like her, or at least I sympathize with her. Anna Torv is doing a brilliant job portraying both Olivias and Altlivia now comes to me as a bit more troubled and… human, and we’ve not even seen her deal with the whole crossing-over-to-live-as-Olivia Dunham-FBI Agent-besides falling for Peter Bishop thing…. So, I guess it will only get better (character wise)!

    Regarding the pregnancy… Now I’m a shipper and I do believe they should already be together, but I’m loving the way the writers are handling THE situation – I’m sorry but I place the sci-fi factor way above the romance. When I 1st heard about the rumors I couldn’t believe them, but then they got stronger and I remember thinking “oh god, poor shippers. And poor poor Altlivia”. I bet this won’t be a happy time for Altlivia (now I’m starting to consider that Altlivia’s life sucks a whole lot more than Olivia’s…!) – Walternate is a creepy granpa and to me… I mean I don’t even wanna think what Walternate (plus Brandonate) will do to her and that poor child – the guy was willing to put his son in a machine that could fry him (to say the least), god knows what he’s gonna do to his grandchild in his father’s absence!!!

    And yeah, Altlivia has all resources available for her during this time, but honey, the Secretary forget to tell you that it comes with a price – after all, there has to be some sort of balance… right? Oh, one last thing: poor Frank (don’t we all agree in that?).

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    • Alexia says

      Thank God I’m not the only one who feel sorry fir Altlivia. and I gotta say I actually like her. I know that she have done some unforgivable things,but we have to consider she really believed that there was a war going on and that we were the enemy. She is a soldier,it was her job to infiltrate “the enemy”. She was a pawn in Walternate’s plan,and I dare say she still is.
      I love Olivia,and she been through a lot this season. But Altvlia’s suffering have just started (Altlivia haters should be jumping of happiness right now). Her world is going under and there is no U2, Frank left her, Peter is in another universe and won’t forgive her easily, she has to go around and pretend like nothing happened,and she can’t talk to anyone about her pregnancy and definitely not who the child’s father is,and she is related to probably the most powerful man she knows (creepie grandpa).
      The only good that (I hope) is gonna happen to her ,is to see how her relationship med AltElizabeth is gonna turn out.

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    • Mtm says

      And here is another one who feels for Altlivia. I agree that she is a soldier and thinks that she is in a war with Over Here and we all know that soldiers do less than palatable things when at war. She did start questioning her point of view when she got to know the people here but it would have been unrealistic (if one can say that in a show like Fringe:) ) if all of the sudden she had chosen Over Here instead of her home. And now she finds herself in a situation where she cannot explain herself to anyone else like someone already pointed out earlier.

      Another thing that has taken me by surprise is that so many are ready to judge Altlivia based on the fact that she shot the deaf man but not take into account all the evil that Walter has done i.e. experimenting on children (intentionally and under no pressure). One gets branded evil and the other one broken?

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    • Betelgeuse says

      I agree. People need to hold squelch their gut-instinct dislike for Altlivia, stand back, and use some objectivity to realize her motives. And they need to realize that “morals” are bent in extraordinary circumstances.

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  36. Isa says

    Ugh to all the negativity. It was a great episode! So now people don’t like Fauxlivia is pregnant and they decide to give up the show??? Blergh…

    I didn’t want Fauxlivia to be pregnant, but now that she is, I did enjoy the episode and I think this story was well played. I think people should acknowledge that. Loved to see a more human side in Fauxlivia. She was just a plot device, but now she’s growing into a full realized character. Thumbs up to that! You could see she was sorry for having hurted Frank. Poor Olivia can’t get a break in both universes.

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  37. ohwell says

    Look-about the whining and negativity–forget about the preggo thing for a minute…for most of the season (it’s only my opinion) the mood of the show has been dismal. The characters are constantly miserable, the dialogue is depressing and there is very little reward or relief in between. There’s barely even any action or witty banter aside from the occasional fart joke. It’s almost like the personality of the show has completely disappeared and been replaced by debbie downer.
    It’s clear that the writers are trying to build momentum etc for some big myth-reveal or twist but I don’t feel engaged in the dynamic between the characters because I’ve pretty much come to expect that it will be another hour of depressing conversations with no light through the crack and no fun action or anything. The pregnancy is one thing and it still feels like a plot device but hey–it is a show… you should have been able to see this coming since Ep3…

    It’s great to follow the mythology but I really miss the things I fell in love with–there just seems to be no balance in tone and that is the bigger problem for me. The build-up has to keep people engaged and interested and it’s not negative–I just happen to be a very disappointed and unsatisfied viewer because what I’m left with each week feels a little hollow this season. Sorry to frustrate other fans but something is wrong if so many people are feeling like the direction is pretty unrewarding. I think it’s more the mood than the plot but maybe it’s just me.

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      • Sid says

        I feel the same – I was way more engaged in Season 2 – it seemed rich and the characterization was fantastic. I even liked Brown Betty. Maybe Season 2 was the blue universe, Season 3 is the red universe (with huge gaping holes and vortexes and frozen ppl) ;-). I miss the mythology episodes, even now, there just isn’t enough out there. I hate the preggo storyline – I foresee a Maury Povich episode on the other side entitled “Who’s your daddy?”.

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        • ajewell says

          haha, too true, too true. But I wonder if they even have Maury over there… maybe it would be someone else… someone who’s career went in a different direction. Like Paula Abdul or Sarah Palin, lol.

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    • fedorafadares says

      I agree — well said. I think the thing that’s been missing is the excitement and action of previous seasons.

      Yes, this season has had a few fantastic action episodes: Olivia, The Abducted and Entrada were gripping, but most of the other episodes (The Box, Amber 31422, Marionette, Concentrate …) and others have been slower-paced, less action-filled. Sure, these episodes have delivered a lot of good information, but the tempo has been slow and, yep, gloomy.

      Jacksonville was a great example of how to have it all– action, info, relationship stuff — that episode was a tight, standard episode. (By standard, I mean not a Brown Betty or groundhog-day-like episode like the fantastic White Tulip.)

      This week’s episode was good (over there episodes still rely on that gimmick, for lack of a better word), but I’d like to see our side’s episodes regain that tightness, excitement and spark.

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  38. fringefan says

    Just saw the rating for the episode and it’s a new series low :(
    It got only a 1.4 adults 18-49 rating
    I really hope it does better next week..

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  39. kidentropia says

    ok; so, everyday i check Brian Eno´s Oblique Strategies; perhaps you´ve heard of them, perhaps you haven´t. it´s some sort of creative oracle, kind of like an artist´s I Ching, if you will, slightly less obscure. it´s very interesting; and even though it´s intended for people in the arts (specially music), i apply it to my everyday life. it´s very zen-like, very abstract; you can check it here:
    http://www.joshharrison.net/oblique-strategies/

    so, again, everyday i check it, to see how it helps me with whatever dilemma/worry is occupying my mind on that particular day. so, well, today i was worried about the direction Fringe is taking; so i go to the page, and refresh it, and i get this:

    “What to increase? What to reduce? What to maintain?”
    And it made me think; the problem right now with Fringe, is that, even though it appears, on the surface at least, that there´s a balance between Monster of the Week and myth, it´s really not so: i have no problems with the myth stories; i love them. and even with all the plotholes and uncertainty, i feel the great story arc of second half of season 2 and so far season 3 is brilliant. My problem is with episodes like yesterday´s: the A Plot was too undercooked; and the way it connected with the greater myth was too fragile. i´d rather have the writers devote themselves to full myth episodes; at this point, it´s rather obvious that the Fringe fanbase is the only supporting force of the show, and that fanbase is there basically for the characters and the myth. and you can have great character-myth episodes; right now i don´t really think you need MoW episodes. But, then again, if the writers still feel they need to dedicate time and effort to MoW episodes, then do them right: give us villains we care about, give us stories interesting enough to stand on their own.

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  40. KLA says

    Well, I have to say (albeit somewhat reluctantly) that I see why Peter fell so hard and so easily for Fauxlivia. She is fun, carefree, happy, and warm, compared to the serious, intense, moody and always down Olivia. I get it now, and sympathize a little more for Peter. He got what he wanted in a relationship and Fauxlivia’s personality matched his much more.

    Sigh . . . Can’t beleive I just said that.

    By the way, didn’t the mad bug scientist remind you a little of Roland in Marinette???

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    • number six says

      I agree with you, unfortunately. Just watching the promo for next week’s episode, with Olivia looking like a stern elite school principal, makes me wonder if she’ll ever be able to have a relationship. If there is one thing, this episode highlighted extremely well, is how easy it is to connect with Fauxlivia.

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      • Isa says

        I agree with you, number six, and now I understand why the writers kept saying Fauxlivia was the better Olivia: it’s not about being the better agent, it’s about being able to live your life.

        Ugh, now I feel extremely sorry for both Olivias.

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        • number six says

          Here’s the thing, the writers were speaking through Olivia’s mind. I mean, they don’t think Olivia is inferior, that’s preposterous! They were explaining Olivia’s state of mind. I don’t think Olivia believes Fauxlivia is better morally. She explained clearly, what she meant: friends, the ability to be light-hearted and enjoy life. She will self-actualize and get whatever she wants if she allows herself to be happy.

          This season seems to be dedicated to duality and self-actualization. It’s very clear on Olivia and Walter, but it’s happening with Peter, too. He’s definitely 2 personalities, if you will, in 1 person. He’s also stepped up and taken responsibility over his destiny, when his old self would have simply run away.

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          • Aimee says

            Thank you for defending Peter. All of are characters are in some deep crud right now. The last thing we need is sniping at anyone. :D

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    • giorgio - Greece says

      By the way, didn’t the mad bug scientist remind you a little of Roland in Marinette???

      Yes! I thought of him the minute I saw the scientist in this episode!

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    • real1 says

      considering what Olivia has been throo I can’t say that Fauxlivia is better , Olivia was happy in the Pilot but her life turned a part , and every case she worked ..one way or another made her realize that she is connecting in every case by a way that she couldn’t understand , so .. she didn’t think about herself .. or how she can be happy .. she cares about the other people and how to save the innocents . that’s Olivia selfless person who’s care about the others and not thinking about herself .

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      • Betelgeuse says

        That’s right. I think Alt-Livia (I refuse to call her Fauxlivia because she’s not ‘fake,’ she’s just another version) is now where Our Olivia was in season 1: her world has been turned on its head. Remember when Our Olivia said to Broyles in season 1, “I just want things to go back to the way they were.” ? That’s where Alt-Livia is right now.

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        • real1 says

          I agree but with one difference Fauxlivia isn’t Olivia , Olivia behavior is much better than her , Fauxlivia would like to make sure that she can win any situation even if it means to cross the line , but Olivia can’t do this , Olivia much more thinker determent and selfless .

          Both are different and Fauxlivia will not replace Olivia .. but she did it once and no one catch her , the problem wasn’t from Olivia .. it was from the people around her and it was from Peter who was blinded in love .

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        • real1 says

          I just would like to add , Olivia s1 was in love with Scott and she did what it takes from her to save him , for the greater good , then she learned that there is a big situation and she is at the middle of it , and Scott told her to ask Broyles why he chose her to go to the store why her ? and I think for this moment we didn’t see why Broyles did that and how far he know about Olivia peter and Walter and what’s his relation with Nina .

          So , i understand that Fauxlivia ( as how Walter calls her ) is an other version for Olivia .. but she isn’t her .. they are 2 persons with 2 hearts 2 souls … if you get what i mean :)

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  41. megan says

    I’ve been disappointed with the last two episodes. and though I’m no fan of the pregnancy plot, I’m sticking with the love. I love it too much!
    I agree with some of the posters, the scene with Walternate and his mistress was weird and uncomfortable too, how come he’s not with Elizabeth?! I like her
    I feel bad for frank, I like him too!

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  42. Will says

    I noticed something about that hot insect scientist redhead girl.

    She never, NOT ONCE, looked at Fauxlivia. Her eyes were always on Charlie. 100%.

    :P

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    • Count Screwloose says

      She was the best part. For 3 minutes the screen wasn’t filled with misery.

      If FRINGE doesn’t work out, I’m all for a Bug Girl and Scarlie spin-off.

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      • lizw65 says

        Actually, I thought Bug Girl was the weakest part of the episode. She seemed like a refugee from some other show–Bones, perhaps–in which the costumes are candy-colored and the acting style is exaggerated and overly cutesy in comparison to the restrained performances I’ve grown to expect from Fringe. In any case, we probably won’t be seeing any more of her.

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    • Kira says

      And that gave us a few more seconds of Scarlie!.
      (Me neither was paying attention to Altlivia in that moment :P)

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  43. BellsRing says

    Just some idea here…
    What if the machines merge both universes into a third one and merge all the people together from both sides into one person. Peter and Broyles would stay uniquily themselves as they have no counterpart.
    Olivia and Bolivia would merge into one person with both personalities and one pregnant woman. Peter doesn’t have to choose then *lol*
    Walter/Walternate person would be interesting. He would be highly intelligent, dangerous but not going so easy on the future test he’ll conduct.
    AND Charlie would be back on the Fringe team in the universe!!! YEAH to that!!!!

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    • lizw65 says

      I’ve had that thought myself, but I suspect that such a development would be saved for the series finale, as there would be nowhere to go from there.

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      • SF says

        I’ve had the very same thought, many times now! I have no idea how it would work out. What parts of Our Olivia wouldn’t survive? There’s nothing wrong with her character now!!! Imagine Walter and Walternate becoming one. Threatening the world, while holding peanuts. it would solve which universe would survive – ours would, but what would happen to the decay? It is an interesting idea, though.

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    • Owl says

      That’s an excellent idea! It hadn’t occurred to me before, but I’d love it if it took that direction! That would be fascinating to see, and this crew of actors could actually pull that off.

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      • FringeFriday says

        I let that thought run through my mind…. but I can’t make any sense of future episodes after this merging… how would it go on??

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    • real1 says

      I like the idea of merge the universes but the persons ??? .. I don’t think so .. because here we will talk about the body vs souls/spirit …. which they couldn’t do it . I mean see ep9 when Barret was wanting to get Amanda back .. he did bring the wrong soul for her body …. yes you can reanimate the body but you will not sure from the soul … if soul is gone .. so it’s gone .. no coming back from that …. I think if that can be happened .. then Walter could bring his Peter back from death .. or even he could do at how “white tulip” .. going back to the past and cure his peter … which am thinking now .. why he didn’t go back and give the cure for his son so the blue Peter would survive ? .. maybe the cure was just for the red Peter ? and can’t be worked on the blue Peter ?

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      • FringeFriday says

        That’s what’s bothering me… merging the universes into one… ok, but how merge souls? or does everyone have a “twin” then? kinda stupid…
        it kinda has the theme of the Big Bang when talking about merging the universes… and First People comes to mind… doesn’t it?

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  44. Sasha says

    So having known that Fauxlivia was pregnant and then watching the episode made me actually enjoy it. If there hadn’t been so many rumors, I think I would have been really angry. But I went into the episode knowing what was going to happen (next time I need to stay away from Tumblr), and just took it as it came. Sure I’m disappointed with this direction, I think it’s cheap and unoriginal, but it’s not going to make me stop watching Fringe just yet.
    However, I really need a focus back on the scifi aspects. I understand that this show is character driven and they want to make the relationship between Peter and Olivia important, but I was more interested in the complications being the identity crisis and not about a baby.

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  45. Evil Para says

    I’m just watching now, but I noticed that the villain’s license plate said something like “APT6B,” apartment 6-b. is this foreshadowing the next episode?

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  46. Jaeger says

    Maybe I`m being to pesimistic- or positive, it dependes on the poiint of view……but I See the Grim Reaper’s scythe close to Altivia’s neck

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  47. Gary100275 says

    You Yanks are an odd bunch. Season 3 has just been superb and been in the UK we’ve only seen up to episode9, but the reviews from the critics for the recent episodes from the US has been very good.

    You all expect too much because Fringe is on a different level, the fact is this pregnancy has so much potential, I’m thinking possible ANTICHRIST scenario, very intriguing ;)

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    • fedorafadares says

      Thanks for the reality check, Gary. You’re right, of course, our expectations are very — maybe unreasonably high.

      The prgnancy story has great potential, indeed, but I’ve thought about the idea that Peter is the Antichrist and tht ultimately, Olivia’s divine presence will save humanity. Talk about melodrama!

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  48. Owl says

    Glad some fans are willing to give the writers and actors a chance to tell the rest of the story…I am. I am optimistic that they will continue to surprise us, and that even when the storyline goes in a direction I didn’t expect or care for, Fringe is STILL interesting. In fact, watching these actors create the stories makes me more and more invested in what happens.
    I can’t believe I actually like AltLivia now and feel sorry for her. And I am really sad about Frank. Really not sure Peter is better for her. I actually like the whole AU team with Charlie and Lincoln and I’m glad we got to see more interaction with them, even if Lincoln does seem pretty unprofessional. Lots of purple cropping up this episode. I am also sorry for Olivia, but I also hope she gets angry and levels out soon…it’s hard seeing her so hurt, and I miss the superhero. A guest appearance with Ella would be welcome.
    I don’t know where this storyline is going, but it’s bound to be interesting, and I’ll be watching. Hope everyone else does too, and we can keep the ratings up.

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  49. Fringefan2009 says

    Can’t say I’m happy with the pregnancy, or the Frank leaving, but I have to say that season 3 has full of potential. I do have to agree with the folks on the melancholy, it’s pretty dim. I would like to see some of the characters happy for just an episode or two, although, I did like the beginning where there was joking around on the Alt side, that is a side we rarely see of Olivia. And yes, totally agree that the whole Walternate/Mistress conversation was too drawn out and he is a totally creepy grandfather. Glad to see that he will not cross the line in experimenting on kids, but I think that he will change his mind in due time.

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  50. Kimber says

    Well there went this being my favorite tv show. I was angry when Olivia first said she cldn be with Peter but I thought hey mayyyyybe he wld try to change her mind (which of course he doesn’t). Now I’m done with the show. We all know how this pony ride ends. Now that Alter Olivia is prego?? That’s all she wrote for my Oliva. Such a disappointment!!

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    • real1 says

      Hey .. yes she is prego .. but that doesn’t mean that Peter is in love with her or even prefer her , and yes Olivia will take it hard … but .. what if that will bond Olivia and Peter even more ?

      Don’t give up .. there is a reason for that . be there next ep , it’s very important .

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      • says

        Kimber, I hope you sleep on that decision to bail on the show. Please reconsider abandoning Fringe, because something EPIC is coming. There is a reason for the madness. Please don’t lose faith in the Fringe creators.

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  51. anon says

    Did anyone catch the parallels between the Olivia/John Scott relationship and the Fauxlivia/Frank relationship? The whole being-betrayed-by-someone-you-love theme was completely repeated but I thought it was cool how this time the betrayal was on the Olivia/Fauxlivia side of the relationship. When Frank gave her the ring I thought it even looked like the same style of ring, minus the color of the metal. It made me wonder if Frank had it engraved with “Always” too!!! ha ha

    I totally think Walternate’s Reiko is a Geisha. I would say can’t wait to find out, but I’m a little sick of Fauxlivia right now. It peeves me when I see people handed every advantage in life on a silver platter so of course I root for Olivia far more.

    My inner monologue keeps a southpark inspired script running through my head:
    Bandonate: Cortex the baby!
    Baby: Don’t Cortex the baby!

    Perhaps a poll to see who wants to Cortex the baby Roco? BTW LOVE your work!

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  52. epoh says

    This was posted on the eonline.com website…

    “Attention Fringe fans: The glyphs are not just B.S.! The glyphs are not just B.S.!

    Tonight’s episode of Fringe features what may be the show’s biggest turn since Walter’s flashback Peternapping, and right after the big reveal at the end of the hour, one of Fringe’s famous glyph codes flashes on the screen. Suddenly, with your newfound knowledge about where the episode is going, in addition to being part of an alphabetic cipher, one of the show’s iconic visuals is revealed to symbolize something damn significant to the show.”

    Read more: http://au.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b225503_twist_dont_miss_fringes_biggest_game.html#ixzz1DvsyCBcc

    Any idea why “ROMAD” is so significant?!

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  53. Diana says

    I’m not totally sold on the idea that this is Peter’s child. All we saw was Walternate’s number 1 guy saying, “I think I know another way to get Peter back.” We never see the doctor tell Alt-livia how far along she really is. In their reality her medical info might be on high alert to the government…so any admittance into the hospital and records could be easily seen by the DOD. I could see Walternate lying to Alt-livia about how far along she really is. She could be further along making this baby Franks.

    If Walternate could get the message to Peter I could see him using it to try an lure Peter back.

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  54. Pam says

    I dreaded the pregnancy thing and when I actually saw it, I didn’t mind it that much. Now, I only see it as an opportunity for more good stuff. I think we just have to be patient and wait.
    BTW, it was interesting to see Alt-liv say something like all of us only want to be loved for what we really are on the inside, when talking about Charlie & the girl who had a crush. She is also probably on the same boat as our liv, thinking that Peter only showered her with all that love because he thought she was “she”. So, although she did develop feelings for him, she did have feelings for Frank too and she might have thought that Frank loves her for who she is and so, said yes to his proposal. She, being a carefree and easy going version, was just trying to get on with her life and put Peter away, unlike our Liv, who cannot take it that easily.
    I am totally sold on our Liv’s behavior right now. She has been through hell and all of us need to give her a little time to adjust and get herself back, rather than asking her to be a fighter etc. I am pretty sure, she will be back to her normal self before the end of the season – we just need to wait it out.

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  55. Xochitl says

    I still haven’t watched the episode but I know the relevant stuff and I have been reading everybody’s comments, and it just reminds me of “Brown Betty”, a lot were in favor, some others were freaking out and it wasn’t that bad, like many have said I think we just have to wait and see.

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