Fringe Episode 3.12 Concentrate And Ask Again


NO BONES ABOUT IT, THE FRINGE TEAM INVESTIGATES A PERILOUS THREAT ON AN ALL-NEW “FRINGE” FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 4, ON FOX

When a scientist falls dead after ingesting a lethal cloud of blue powder and his bones disintegrate in his body, the CDC suspects a biological attack. As the Fringe Team investigates further, a subject from Walter’s past with ties to Olivia reluctantly agrees to assist with the intense case in the all-new “Concentrate and Ask Again” episode of FRINGE airing Friday, Feb. 4 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR 3.12) (TV-14 L, V)

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth.

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  1. robyn says

    Finally we see Sam Weiss! I wonder how he knows about Peter loving both Olivias…is it perhaps prophesized? It would’ve been interesting to see a long list of what Peter was thinking of, though I guess that was straightforward enough.

    Anyone notice the Spock eastereggs? Gotta love them writers…can’t wait for next week!

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    • bdp says

      Yea I loved the Spock easteregg. And I agree, I think the Peter mindset needs to be looked into WAY more than simply “he still has feelings for her”. In a way that has to be expected, I mean we all know there were aspects of her personality that Peter liked and he’s never even really denied that. That said I don’t think it’s as simple as “he still has feelings for her”, I’m sure that ultimately he wants to be with Olivia not Fauxlivia, it’s just not an easy situation to explain in just one sentence.

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      • lizw65 says

        What I want to know is, why didn’t Simon tell Olivia that Peter was the one killing the shapeshifters? If he could read other things, he must have been able to read that as well…having said that, I don’t think it’s anywhere near as simple as “he still has feelings for her” either, or indeed as simple as the explanation that Sam Weiss gave Nina. There’s more going on than Peter choosing one Olivia, and by extension, one universe.

        Possible continuity error–when were the Wooster Cortexiphan trials supposed to have taken place? Peter posited that Walter booted Simon out of the trials because he was afraid he’d expose Walter as having kidnapped him (Peter), but I thought the Cortexiphan trials took place when Peter was about three years old. No?

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      • thatgirlfriday says

        No, I feel the same way. It just seems like he would choose Olivia- they have this intense history. It IS complicated and one sentence about having feelings for Fauxlivia doesn’t necessarily really explain that.

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    • real1 says

      Well , I have to admit that this ep is my 2ed fav so far after ep 9 ,
      There is a hope …. am not sure from Fauxlivia’s feelings …. Peter is the dumbest man on earth .. he did read her diary and she did fool him about the pic and what she wrote .. so he did start a feelings for her …. dumbest man .

      I have to say …. ANNA TORV you are amazing and wonderful … my heart did broke for Olivia from how you are acting , you are a school of acting .. God bless you .

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    • says

      Did any one notice any of the other titles, besides Dr. Benjamin Spock’s “Baby and Child Care,” which is an essential parenting book, as William Bell knows. Great show !!

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      • matt says

        I wonder if Bell is Olivia’s biological father or something crazy like that (maybe I forgot something, but that’s still a possibility right?)

        “OUR children are our greatest resourse” plus we know they re-tuned Peter, Walter’s ‘son’

        (just speculation, but maybe the book means something less obvious)
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        I wonder, since the producers basically said we wont see Robert Bishop, but they said it weird, I wonder if Sam Weiss is Robert Bishop or someone else is, maybe even Walter (also just ridiculous speculation)
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        ALSO I did notice some sort of continuity error but I can’t remember if it was the drug trials time line or not (if it wasn’t I’ll add it here later – maybe this is also somehow intentional or we misunderstood something)

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        • Peanut says

          There is speculation about both Peter’s & Olivia’s parentage, maybe Nina might be the biological mother of one of them, for example. We never, as far as I know, find out anything about Olivia’s father, who was in the military–or maybe that was really her stepfather?

          By the dates given, Simon the mindreader could not have known about the kidnapping of Peter (1985) because the drug trials ceased in 1983 from what we were told (always possible that the info was a lie, of course).

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      • Anne from France says

        books are:
        – A Separate Reality: further conversations with Don Juan, by Carlos Castaneda, about learning to see beyond the surface realities of life, to enter into another world as a participant rather than an observer
        – The Second Ring of Power, by Castaneda : “At the center of the book is a new and formidable figure, dona Soledad, a woman whose powers are turned against Castaneda in a struggle that almost consumes him. Dona Soledad has been taught by don Juan, transformed by his teachings from a bent and gray-haired old woman into a sensual, lithe, deeply sexual figure of awesome and mysterious power, a sorceress whose mission is to test Castaneda by a series of terrifying tricks. Castaneda’s combat with her, his gradual realization that she not only derives her power from don Juan but is fulfilling his plans, is all a prelude to an astonishing discovery.”
        – In the Wake of Chaos, by Stephen H. Kellert: http://dannyreviews.com/h/Wake_of_Chaos.html
        Quite interesting I think ;)

        I also noticed that Bell is a doctor in psychiatry (from Princeton), and the Biology book (the big green one) is the 8th edition of this book.
        Bell’s car in his safe is RED, and Walter is very excited to see a BLUE bittle car.

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  2. says

    How does this show continually know how to make the last 3 minutes so gripping?! I mean Nina caught on to what many of us picked up on ling ago about Sam Weiss, and then Peter still having feelings for Altlivia! Not to mention, how the heck this show has got me turning into a P/O shipper now. These writers knew the had to get the audience to buy into this relationship and that was how they did it. If we want to see our team come out of this we have to believe in Peter and Olivia. Those guys!

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    • Mist says

      I believe in the end he will choose “our” Olivia, simply because she is the one he fell in love with in the first place AND because she is “better” – meaning she has more character and heart then Atliv will ever have. That is also the reason why Olivia will find a way to save both Universes, because she is destined to do so.

      The line Simon wrote down for Olivia “he still has feelings for her” … I don’t by that one because Simon does NOT have the ability to read feelings, only thoughts…

      Anyways, it was a fantastic episode for sure. Well written, directed and played. Gripping from beginning to end!

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  3. bdp says

    Solid episode but I felt it was a little lacking. I did like seeing a new cortexifan subject but they didn’t seem to do much about it. But I LOVED seeing Sam Weiss back and the reveal that we all kind of expected, his connection with the First People books, although like typical Sam he was very cryptic about it. Interesting tidbit about Peter’s feelings for either Olivia/Fauxlivia will decide what world will survive. It was awful to see that last scene though. I mean I expected it but I still didn’t want to see proof that Peter still had feelings for Fauxlivia and I don’t like it. Although I feel like all this is just setting up for Peter to ultimately choose Olivia in the end. That said I still don’t think either world will necessarily be destroyed.

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      • bdp says

        Yes he does but in his defense I feel summing up everything that’s going on in the Peter/Olivia/Fauxlivia with the single sentence “he still has feelings for her” is way too simple of a way of looking at it. I think we all kind of expected that much, he did like aspects of her personality but Olivia is most likely going to take that as Peter ultimately prefers Fauxlivia and I don’t think that’s the case at all. In the end I think he would/will choose Olivia, yes he still has feelings for Fauxlivia to a degree but that doesn’t mean his feelings for Olivia aren’t stronger.

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        • says

          My question is: How would he have been able to distinguish Peter’s feelings? Does Peter actually call Altlivia “Fauxlivia” in his thoughts? For all we know Peter is trying to sort out his own feelings, and figure out if he was really feeling something for Altlivia or Olivia during Altlivia’s time Over Here.

          I mean, if my husband had a doppelganger and I didn’t know, I wouldn’t say that I was in love with his double. I would say I was in love with my husband. Sure I would call into question how well I knew my husband, but if anything it would motivate me to try harder and not be some oblivious if I were given the chance to fall in love all over again. Maybe that is all Peter is trying to do.

          There is more to this than just Peter still having “feelings for her”. Maybe Sam Weiss knows something else.

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          • bdp says

            Yeah that’s a great point that I didn’t think of right away and I think Peter IS doing what he can to try harder with Olivia and really love her. And yes there is definitely WAY MORE to it than Peter having “feelings for her” that really doesn’t break down the situation much at all, it’s way too vague.

            I also think that Simon continuously attempting to make the point to Olivia that “we’re not supposed to know what other people are thinking” is a great nod at the situation between Peter and Olivia right now. She’s not supposed to know that Peter still has some lingering feelings for Fauxlivia because that’s not the most important thing. What’s more important is that Peter is actively doing all he can to right his wrongs with Olivia and fix their situation. He has made it clear that he wants the relationship with Olivia that he thought he had. That’s what Olivia needs to focus on, not the fact that Peter (and for all we know this is despite his best efforts) still has some residual feelings for Fauxlivia. In the end it matters what Peter does and is doing and right now, it’s not like he’s trying to find a way back to the other universe to be with Fauxlivia, he’s staying here and trying to fix/create the relationship he wants with Olivia.

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            • SF says

              I think Peter has made it clear that he loves Olivia. What I don’t think he is admitting to himself is that he developed feelings for the ‘new’ Olivia, AltLiv. He doesn’t want to know he did, and does. I think that’s what Simon picked up in Peter, and what Sam knows: that Peter loves both Olivia, although I firmly believe that he has deeper feelings for our Olivia, having known her much longer and caring for her. It’s still hard for both of them, knowing that he found it easier to be with AltLiv. I mean, that scene with Olivia in the dress when Peter tells her she looks great in it? AltLiv would have behaved differently, flirted back, and Olivia simply smiles. I’m not saying either is better, just that it is easier for Peter to be with AltLiv because she is easier to get along with. That said, I much prefer Olivia’s depths and honesty a million times over AltLiv’s easy smile. Now it’s up to Peter!!!

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            • mist says

              He doesn’t want to BE with Fauxlivia, he wants to be in a happy relationship with Olivia, he just doesn’t know how to do that.
              He already WAS happy with Olivia, he thought and he wants that back. But the situation is just too screwed up and he also has to overcome that fact that Fauxlivia conned him. I don’t think he loves Fauxlivia, he resents her for betraying him!

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              • SF says

                I think that Peter isn’t admitting how much he enjoyed the new Olivia – when he said tonight that he thought the new Olivia was him bringing the best – or a different, happier side out of Olivia, i could see why and how he was able to overlook the changes for so long. I really think AltLiv was easier for him to be with – and poor guy, he has to mentally undo everything he thought he brought out in her. No wonder he’s confused about who likes what coffee!

                And yes, he resents AltLiv for betraying him – I think though that he’s really angry at himself for letting himself believe that Olivia would change that much so quickly, and underneath all that, he’s mad because he’s really afraid that he does have feelings for the new and improved Olivia. That’s what Simon was picking up, all the thoughts in Peter’s mind. Of course Peter has feelings for her, he thought it was our Olivia! I think the guy needs to go see Sam Weiss……

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                • bdp says

                  I completely agree with you SF. Deep down Peter does know that there were at least some aspects of Fauxlivia that he did fall for, and that’s understandable, it’s not like they were completely different than Olivia, it was just really a happier Olivia. And also it’s not at all unheard of for people to change when they enter a relationship. It’s almost completely expected for someone to be more open and happier when they enter into a new relationship with someone, so why wouldn’t Peter assume that Olivia was just letting him further into her life and becoming more open.

                  It never said that Peter “loves” Fauxlivia, it simply said that “he still has feelings for her”, that could mean many things. Of course he does. He fell in love with this woman that he thought was his Olivia, that doesn’t just all go away because he realized he was being played. Sure he resents being played but why wouldn’t he want Olivia to be happy with him? (Which is really the character that Fauxlivia was playing, a happy Olivia). In the end, yes those feelings that Peter has are still there, and yes I too feel that he just can’t and won’t admit that to himself because he hates the idea of it so much. But the fact that he doesn’t want to admit those feelings is because his feelings for Olivia mean so much more to him than his feeling for anyone or anything else.

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          • says

            The writers are playing with us possibly. What if ” he still has feelings for her, ” is used deliberately because of the ambiguity. A double entendre. No way he would want to hurt Olivia more than he thinks he has. I thought that he has been very straight up with Olivia so far.

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        • first person says

          exactly bdp, he still has feelings for her means that he has feeling for aspects (or at least potential aspects) of any Olivia right? I mean he still loves Olivia, technically, right?

          I think he fell for (an) Olivia, but due to ridiculous circumstances beyond either his or Olivia’s control, he fell in love with (another Olivia) Fauxlivia.

          He got tricked, but since she’s still Olivia and he loves Olivia, he’s having a hard time letting go of Olivia because she’s Olivia even though she isn’t the Olivia he wanted to fall in love with she’s the Olivia he ended up falling in love with, yaknow?

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          • Anne from France says

            I just disagree on one point: I don’t think Peter fell in love with the wrong Olivia because IMO, Peter fell in love with Olivia long before the switch. For me, it was obvious in the way they were with each other, even before Olivia made her declaration of love on the other side. So he didn’t fall for Fauxlivia because he was already in love with Olivia. For Peter, what happened with Fauxlivia (Olivia for him) was just the logical result of his deep relationship and of his love for Olivia. Just my opinion.

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  4. Ben says

    I’ve been waiting all season for Sam Weiss to come back. So when I saw Kevin Corrigan’s name in the credits, I was already happy. But I didn’t know just how good the episode was going to be. Simon Phillips was a wonderful poignant character, and he had some great moments with both Olivia and Walter. And so much else to love, too. Interesting that in the whole episode, Blake melting was pretty much the only elaborate special effect.

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  5. LMH says

    Sam Freaking Weiss! And finally someone on the show bothered to see the names of the First People author as anagrams ; ) A cookie for Nina.
    Nice reveal at the end about Peter and the role of his perception, and boom more heartbreak just when Liv starts gaining a foothold.

    Absolutely adored the endless season 1 callbacks and parallels. Love love love it!!!

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  6. Cody says

    Peter must know he got alt-olivia pregnant. Why would he still have feelings for her? Sam knows more than he is telling and he seems like a observer to me. Sam knew way too much. I dont trust him.

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    • says

      Cody, I couldn’t agree more. I think Sam knows something more. Sam is talking as if he knows something that will really give Peter pause. I can’t jump on this whole pregnancy bandwagon just yet, because it just seems ludicrous to me for a show like Fringe to go there. Then again, I thought it was a bad idea to explore a relationship between Peter and Olivia, but they have turned me.

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      • bdp says

        I don’t know if I can jump on the pregnancy bandwagon either. I’ll admit it is a definite possibility but I could also absolutely see the writers just completely screwing with us on this. That being said I definitely agree that Sam knows more than he’s giving. As it has always been with him, he gives up a little but you can tell he’s holding so much back.

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        • lizw65 says

          Speaking of the whole pregnancy thing, I got the distinct feeling that if they do go there, something will happen to the fetus at the seven-month mark. It just seemed that they were really telegraphing the idea that the fathers passed on a genetic illness to their offspring–and we know that Peter had a genetic illness that killed his Over Here counterpart. Could have something to do with the title of the last winter episode, Six Months Later. Thoughts?

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        • Tyler says

          Anyone thought of this…if Fauxilivia is pregnant….then they are setting it up to be exactly what Walter did….for Peter to have to choose to be as his father was, and save his child from a possibly ending universe, or choose to end his child, and Fauxlivia, or choose to end his own “home” universe, even though he really is from the other side

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          • first person says

            I’m not sure exactly what you’re saying, but I like it (and I get the idea)

            the whole “be a better man than your father” thing has to play into it somehow, I bet Elizabeth, having been married to Walter, was aware of quite a few mind boggling facts her self…

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            • Tyler says

              What im saying is Peter is gonna have a tough decision to make with all this drama, he obviously thinks the blue universe is his home universe, but now a part of him also is in the Red universe…and his child could be destroyed by his actions, or he can become like his father and possibly save him, and destroy that universe, or he could give up the blue universe completely…too many options

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          • JennyDoe says

            I thought the “6 Months later” episode was supposed to show the aftermath of Peter’s kidnapping…

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  7. runpaceyrun says

    Can i just make a personal plea to the writers of Fringe to plleeeaaasseee stop making me cry. Season 3 has been AWESOME but i need a rest. My heart is breaking….i am too invested in my original Fringe team….and yes i just adore Peter and Olivia.

    Fantastic to see more of Nina…yey
    Finally…we got to see a little bit of Sam…..although he appears to have aged a little. Do First People age at all? ….and he’s shaved.

    Will need to do several re-watches before i can make a proper comment. Just going to re-sit in last weeks corner and cry me some more!!!!

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  8. Tammy says

    OK… So I have to say I hope I eat crow on this but seriously I was heart broken with the milk in the coffee scene. Peter got coffee for Ms. Pretender for 8 weeks at the most and forgets to get coffee the way Olivia likes it..you could sum it up to he was in a routine of getting it with milk..which he probably had to train himself to do..we saw that he forgot to get milk once..so he just messed up..but what a slap in the face to Olivia. I’m sorry but I am over P/O cause I just can’t take it anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I may be being a little over dramatic..but I really hate Peter right now. I know he has told Olivia he wants to be with her and not the Pretender but I can’t help feeling like this is one big joke being played on us. That from the start Peter was meant to be with Olivia they just didn’t tell us for 2.5 seasons that it would be the other Olivia.

    I have made my peace and given up hope that our Olivia and Peter will be together because this Peter is not Olivia’s Peter. He was never meant for her since he is from the other side..so as far as I am concerned Peter can move over to the other side to go be with Pretender and our Olivia can power the machine herself and get rid of the other side along with Peter and his little fake Olivia..but before doing that send Lincoln over here to give Olivia some real love!

    I was sooo upset when Sam (love him) said to Nina are you sure..about who he would choose??? and then Olivia reading that note.. I held my puppy for a good 5 minutes and just zooned out cause I was so heart broken to think that Olivia just got her heart shredded! If Peter was serious about being with our Olivia why hasn’t he asked her out or try to spend some time with her..not on a case and just talk. She is obviously trying and still unsure about how he feels about her so why isn’t he doing more to prove to her he wants to be with her. I think Peter already knows and what he is saying is true he thought he was with her but now that he had Ms. Pretender he prefers her to our Olivia. I wish he would just say that and stop this back and forth..set Olivia free so she can move on with her life and find someone else instead of these little conversations and then actions to contradict their meaning.

    And if Ms. Pretender is pregnant that will be the final straw! I just won’t be able to watch until after the episodes for season 3 are done (that will be hard to do but I will try!)

    Great job on Anna’s part for making me love our Olivia and hating the other one.

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    • Page 48 says

      “Peter got coffee for Ms. Pretender for 8 weeks at the most and forgets to get coffee the way Olivia likes it”

      Peter likes to go the extra mile to show Olivia that it’s really HER that he cares for. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

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    • says

      That just go to show you , the writers are doing their job. Friends with fringe benefits is OK … and the viewer is taking sides. Why would Peter tip his hand now. ? And Olivia has definitely drawn a line in the sand, or is she multi-tasking ?

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    • Anne from France says

      I never really paid attention to the “coffee with milk” thing in 6995kHz episode, but now you talk about it. So what questions me is not really the reasons why he messed up with Olivia’s coffee in this episode. I mean, Peter was used to bring coffee to Olivia, black-one sugar, before the switch, and nothing seemed strange to him when suddenly she wanted her coffee with milk-no sugar? That’s weird and makes me wondering again if Peter has really been tricked by Fauxlivia. Or is he playing everyone from the very beginning?

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  9. Pam says

    Sam Weiss actually said ” the machine can create or destroy” and also that “how the machine operates depends on the frequency of Peter’s Vibration”. I think, whether the machine will create or destroy depends on Peter’s frequency and not a choice of universes, as Sam described. And, Peter is in this unique situation where is in love with 2 women but, it is the same woman. So, it is more like the real olivia (ours) and Olivia as he wants her to be (Faux). He actually loves them both and what he wants is a mix of the two – he wants our Olivia to be less burdened and happier – which is really the good things of both Olivias put together. If he is fixed in this state of mind, then, he might end up creating a third verse which is actually a bit of both the blue and red.

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    • Alt-Lex says

      That was exact my idea ; ) As i said in last episode comments i think that the universes are merging into a new one, with i little bit of red and blue as you said.

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      • matt says

        I’ve entertained the thought also, I think if the machine can be a tool of creation, Peter can overlay the two worlds or merge them and get the Olivia he wants and the person she wishes she could be (unburdened)

        I also think that the ‘two sides’ we think are fighting might be an illusion as well by the PTB, I’ll bet the war is between us (or both of each of us) and the observers, I’ll bet they want to fashion a third universe from the current two for THEIR kind (maybe someone/something fashioned the current two out of their original one and that’s the extinction event that happened to them – I mean, why would it be a normal extinction event on FRINGE? I think that something split them apart like the big bang and now they are crashing back together like the big crunch)

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        • matt says

          and that they turned us on each other so that we would destroy ourselves and allow them to step back in (regardless of which universe actually sets off the device, the result might be the same for our bald friends… ya never know…)

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  10. fedorafadares says

    I think they foreshadowed that a Fauxlivia pegnanvy might not make it through the seventh month because of a problem with DNA-blah-blah.

    Now, of course this would be terribly, terribly sad if it were real life,but since it’s television, this would be incredibly convenient. Seven months of baby-mama drama, but then it could be resolved in our Olivia’s favor.

    I realize this is an exremely callous post, but it’s fun to think about our favorite fictional world.

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    • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

      I also saw that too, so you were not alone in thinking it!! And add to it the ominous shot of Peter as the woman said her husband was a contractor– makes me wonder what Peter did as an independent contractor in Iraq now….

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  11. Danni says

    Well, this episode wasn’t the best of the season definitely. It had it’s moments, good and bad. I was so excited to see Kevin Corrigan’s name pop up in the credits, and seeing Sam Weiss again was great. However, I did not expect the fate of both universes to lie in whichever Olivia that Peter chooses. I have to admit, it’s really soap-opera-ish. Hopefully the writers can turn this around and make the rest of the season as compelling as the first half, because right now, I’m not so sure I like where this plot may be heading.

    Personally, I didn’t really mind Olivia talking about her feelings in the middle of the case. To me, it just wasn’t distracting as other people may have thought it was and the mind-reader was a great addition to the episode. Hopefully, some other former Cortexiphan subjects will be revealed later in the season. I’ve always found them compelling, but Nick Lane is probably my favorite (Other than Olivia).

    As for the ending of the episode with Olivia opening up the envelope, I was really hoping that it was something that would make Olivia smile. I guess not. I still can’t understand how in the world Peter can still have “feelings” for the other Olivia. She completely conned him, and everything was an absolute lie. Well, she did say that it became more than a mission though. Ugh. I guess next week will determine whether or not the baby rumors are real or not. I’m hoping not, and I really can’t see how it would help the story, except make it harder for Peter to choose which Olivia he wants to be with. Other than that, way to kick Olivia back down when she was finally starting to gain some ground again after all she went through.

    (I guess this is just my opinion, but I feel like [For people who have seen Dawson's Creek] Peter is pretty much the Fringe version of Joey, except the stakes involved with his choice are much much higher (World destruction anyone?). And Dawson and Pacey are the two Olivias (though, the two guys look nothing alike). Haha.

    Next week’s episode will be pretty interesting I hope because Lincoln and Charlie are just that awesome. As for Faux-Livia, or Alt-Livia, well I don’t like her so much. I think I lost all sympathy for her when she shot the deaf man in Olivia’s apartment and then proceeded to engage in a make-out session with poor Peter. Tsk tsk. Anyways, personally, I hope the writers think of a way to save both worlds. Like Peter and Olivia said, there’s always hope.

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    • Page 48 says

      Well, this episode wasn’t the best of the season definitely”

      Agreed.

      “However, I did not expect the fate of both universes to lie in whichever Olivia that Peter chooses”

      This is the same Peter that can’t keep the two Olivias straight in his head. Hmm, which one takes her coffee black?

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    • fringeobsessed says

      No kidding, Peanut!
      It felt like maybe we were watching this episode and “Reciprocity” in the wrong order.

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      • Peanut says

        I think that those were only the senior shapeshifters (such as Newton). Even if that was all of them–Walternate could be sending over more of them. Then there are the human allies–such as typewriter store guy. Why isn’t DarthPeter after them?

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        • number six says

          Because Peter only knew the identities of the shapeshifters from Fauxlivia’s files. He broke the code, identified them and killed them. Apparently there weren’t more shapeshifters in the list.

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          • matt says

            maybe the shapeshifters know that Peter has always loved Fauxlivia and it’s a huge fake out and he’s currently acting as a mole for his real father (maybe to protect his child or for his ‘real’ family or whatnot), maybe they would have let our team know so he couldn’t have that and had to kill them, maybe the things touch you back thing was just Walter’s explanation of the situation to himself

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          • anonymous says

            I don’t think we can assume all the shapeshifters are dead because there must be others since a 6th shapeshifter was killed in reciprocity in front of the bathroom at the station, and we know he-turned-she wasn’t part of the list of 5 and there would have been no way for Fauxlivia to modify the list after she left her laptop behind.

            Maybe the 5 shapeshifters on the “olive” list were those working directly for her? (newton, fish-fountain guy, massive dynamic dr, girl-hobo and mr. poka-your-eye out) Or maybe the writers can’t add to 5 properly… Hoping for the former so that there will be more shapeshifters. :-)

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    • FringeFriday says

      I guess now that he is not in “contact” with the machine anymore, he is kinda going back to “normal-mode”. I mean they put together the machine before “Reciprocity” and it had no effect on Peter. I assume only close contact to the machine has effects on Peter.

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  12. Tammy says

    I think I’m feeling a little bit better… the whole “still have feelings” was a cruel lesson to Olivia. Mind reader (forgot name) wanted to show Olivia how much his life is ruined by having the ability to read the minds of others. Just imagine being able to read someone else’s mind..what if they don’t like the shirt you are wearing? Normally you wouldn’t know but just knowing that now makes you feel a little akward..plus the line is too vague.. I don’t think his ability allows him to really know or understand what a person is thinking just hear some of the millions of thoughts going through your head..just writing this alone a thousand other things have cross my mind..am I really thinking about it..now its just my brain firing all these random thoughts..plus how crazy is it to be able to hear the things going through someone’s mind..can you imagine being in a relationship with someone and you read their mind and in all that jumble an ex came up?

    Anyway, I guess I’m just tired of waiting to see Peter and Olivia together against the world like William Bell alluded to in season 2. I want to see them in a relationship or moving towards a relationship and being a team! Like when Olivia made the lights go out..was it her that did it or was it Peter? Or was it the both of them that made it happened? I want to see that “connection” grow stronger or just dismissed out right? Does anyone else understand what I’m saying?

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    • SF says

      “Like when Olivia made the lights go out..was it her that did it or was it Peter? Or was it the both of them that made it happened? I want to see that “connection” grow stronger or just dismissed out right?”

      I felt like tonight there was some of that – they both seemed a little more comfortable around each other now, and I could tell Olivia was starting to relax and let some of her feelings for Peter show again. I like your point here though Tammy, that what makes this couple work so well for me is the sense that there is a connection between them. What I find puzzling is if there is, how come Peter didn’t sense the other Olivia doesn’t have it? Or does he have it with both? And what does this say about how unique a person really is? Because if the two Olivia are different, can you have the same connection with them?

      I really like the idea – I love the idea! I’ll be honest here – that they do share a special connection, something that lets them work somehow together invisibly, so he knows when she is or isn’t ok, and they turn out impossible lights together. Maybe what Peter has to discover is that he does have a connection with our Olivia – maybe he has lost it somehow in the shock of discovering his father’s lie – and Olivia’s lie to him – and this problem of the two Olivias is his way of discovering what he has with each of them. Of course I hope/believe the deeper connection is with our Olivia! But…..if the ‘selves’ share DNA, does that mean the only difference is in how they are raised? Fringe raises so many interesting questions about relationships, and how they are made and broken and remade again. It’s kind of cool that they are doing this with the two Olivias and Peter. That said, I’m not so sure I like the Peter choosing which Olivia he is going to be with – though I do like that he can ‘create’ a universe with the power of what he chooses, I would hope it doesn’t destroy the other one. I’d hope it would just close off one from the other forever after, which would be hard enough.

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    • matt says

      yeah, but then there’s no heartache/adventure only what we want from the show

      I do agree though, and the comment on the lightbox got me thinking as well. Maybe Peter powers Olivia (or is at least able to), maybe that’s how they crossed there and back at the end of s2 and Walter is still hiding secrets (also, now we know why Walter’s secret was so tormenting)

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    • Anne from France says

      So agree with you on this last point. Here’s the comment I wrote
      “Apparently, they casted a young Olivia for episode 3.15, the one about the effects of Peter’s abduction in the AU and in our universe. I don’t see any reason for a young Olivia to be in this episode except if young P&O were bound in a way or another. So I was wondering how Peter and Olivia were bound at this time of their lives? What do they have in common back to their childhood?
      I’m wondering this because I’ve got the impression that, every time Olivia’s abilities surface, Peter is around. Remember in “Ability”, when Olivia has to switch off the lights with her mind in the building, Peter first left and then came back to be with her at that moment. In “Jacksonville”, she was also with Peter when she realized she was scared and so was able to see the glimmer. I really don’t know if this is relevant but… just a thought.”

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  13. jacksonheights says

    IMO I enjoyed the comments about last episode a lot better. I am sick of the P/O drama. I was more engaged when we learned about a new/darker side to Peter. I was interested as to why and how he is changing. I don’t mind the Olivia/fauxlivia dilemma but to be honest people crying their eyes about this is bit overly dramatic. Olivia is a bit of a stick in the mud. Not once has she even reached out to touch him. She continually excuses his behaviour and professes to others that she cares for him but she seems to be in escape mode. Every time they are close to a break through she leaves. Enough said I can definitely see why he liked fauxolivia better – she had some fun in her. I respect our Olivia and she is definitely a hero and I would want her on my side but can you say Debbie Downer.
    That said I was a bit disappointed to find out the machine would be triggered by which Olivia Peter likes best. This is if Sam Weiss is to be believed. It was also good to know that Sam was not a figure in Olivias head as now Nina has gone to meet him by herself. It’s nice to see Sam back.

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    • says

      I tend to agree with the beginning of your comment. I am not so invested that I am moved to tears. No matter how addicting this show may be, at the end of the day it is still a television show.

      I also am ready to move on beyond the love triangle (did I really just write that?). Though I will be the first to admit that I was the biggest P/O cynic; my opinion has changed. I mentioned in the comments of another article that I do not like “Insecurlivia”. That would have to be my biggest problem with the story arc right now. Why so insecure Olivia? Who cares if Peter loves you, like you, or whatever? Just save the stinkin’ universe.

      I’d be happy if Olivia got a little mad for a bit, and gave Peter some grief. Seriously, it is time to turn the page on Olivia being so insecure. Does she think that Peter really wants to be around someone that constantly needs his reassurances all the time?

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      • Page 48 says

        “I am not so invested that I am moved to tears”

        There are a few scenes in Buffy that can make me weep like a baby, but “Fringe” has yet to take me there, or even within several blocks of there.

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    • number six says

      God, yes! Stop the madness! However justified Olivia is to be so insecure at this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Peter snapped and finished their nonexistent relationship. They should take a break, see other people or simply stop working together.

      Can I have shapeshifter-killing machine Peter back, please? Now that was interesting. I know he finished all the shapeshifters in Fauxlivia’s list, but surely the show can bring more? Not that I didn’t appreciate him chasing the bad guy, but it was too short and I would have liked more of that.

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    • matt says

      OMG you got me thinking:

      WHAT IF DARTHPETER LOVES FAUXLIVIA WHEN HE’S DARTHPETER (AKA SINCE THE MACHINE SURFACED/WHEN HE’S PETER-THE-MACHINE BISHOP) BUT ANA-PETER-KIN-SKY-BISHOP-WALKER (AKA THE REAL PETER WITH PROJECTION PETER’S PERSONALITY) LOVES OLIVIA

      THE MACHINE IS JUST MAKING HIM (into darthpeter then making him) SUBCONSCIOUSLY, BEYOND HIS CONTROL LOVE FAUXLIVIA (and kill people/shapeshifterswhoarestillverymuchpeopleapparently)?

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  14. zakray says

    He wrote that Peter still had feelings for her he didn’t specify whether they were good feelings or bad. It seems to me he just wanted to prove his point. I am a little worried about where this is going it’s getting a little soapy. I love this show and want it to succeed. I will continue to have faith in the writers I really hope they know what they’re doing.
    Just remember to quote Ella “A good story starts with Once Upon a time and ends with And they lived happily ever after”

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    • bdp says

      Haha very true about the Ella quote. And if we’ve learned anything up to this point it’s that writing off Brown Betty as an episode with no significance is not a good idea in the world of Fringe.

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  15. David D says

    Hmm Sam Weiss, seems to have lost some grey hair, on purpose or just the make up department not checking how he looked in season 2.

    Also CIA guy!!

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  16. Nick in PA says

    I sure hope we don’t get ‘treated’ to a pregnancy storyline. X-Files rocketed downhill once they ran out of ideas and made Scully a walking uterus. As for the fate of two universes depending on who Peter is hot for? Not good, not good at all. So much interesting science and characters and ‘observers’ … PLEASE don’t muck it up too dreadfully with this drag romance. Olivia is a giant pill whose face will break if she tries to use her smile muscles, and I just fear for the show if they keep going down this road. And who the heck, really, is bowling alley guy? And where was Nina’s fake arm? And why did bowling alley guy raise his beer with his right hand and put it down with his left? Bad editing? Or ???

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    • says

      The writers will take us down the road least expected. C’mon, this is FRINGE. To go where no man has ever gone before ! I believe in miracles, just like the song by Hot Chocolate. LOL !

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  17. Hatch says

    I liked this episode alot. However, hopefully there’s more to it than what Sam Weiss was saying. As others have said, I’m not sure I like the idea that the future of the universe depends on who Peter wants to bang.

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    • SF says

      Yes, I do too, very much. I like the idea of it coming down to choosing, but I don’t like that it’s over a woman. I do think that the writers are trying for a ‘love will point the way’ kind of idea, but I want more of what Bell said when he pulled Olivia over in the 2nd season: Peter and Olivia working together to save the universe, their unique talents somehow bigger and better – amplified possibly – because they are together. I like that theme so much more. I love their romance when they are allowed to explore it – as I said above in a comment, they are raising interesting ideas about love and individuals, but I just wish they wouldn’t make the using the machine down to a choice about who Peter loves. That seems to make the enormous size of the machine and energy of it, kind of pointless, when the real threat is Peter. That said, the idea that he vibrates in harmony to it is interesting, and that it’s his mind and heart that will control it is, too.

      I think my real problem is that I can’t see Peter willing to destroy any universe, and especially not because he loves someone.

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  18. Karo says

    Everything Peter does or say lately is fake.

    And i thought the writers destroyed his character bad in the first half of the season. THIS is now getting ridiculous. Do they even want us to care about him? Because i don’t anymore, i’m more annoyed than anything else with the way they are writing him right now.

    Olivia needs to move on ASAP

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  19. FinChase says

    I thought Olivia’s little hesitation when CIA guy asked her if she was a good shot was interesting. Was it simply normal Olivia modesty, or was she thinking back to AltLivia and the shot she made when AltLiv’s memories took hold?

    Those were some pretty good shots she made at that fundraisers, especially the last one. To be fair, we’ve seen Olivia make some pretty great shots the last few years, in spite of her telling Henry that she is not really a great shot. However, I can’t help but wonder if this isn’t something that is leftover from AltLiv.

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      • FinChase says

        Yes, I think she does. Whenever those two do finally meet up again, I think our Olivia will have a much greater insight into her alternate than AltLivia will have into her.

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    • SF says

      Me too, I think you are right, Fin: Olivia is retaining some of AltIv’s memories and this came out in the shooting tonight. That was pinpoint accuracy, again, from Olivia!

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      • bdp says

        I’m pretty sure Olivia does retain Fauxlivia’s memories because she has constantly talked about her time over there and the relationships Fauxlivia had with people. If she remembers all the details of being Over There it seems safe to assume that she would remember the memories she was given over there as well. And that shot would definitely fall in line with the accuracy thing. Although I do agree that Olivia is not the slouch she makes herself out to be in the accuracy department.

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  20. 7063keisha says

    man these episodes keep gettin intense, i was hoping to get better answers about why peter killed the shapeshifters, but since i didnt get any yet im thinking that maybe something did just click in peter to start shootin down shapeshifters.
    when the letter first appeared i was hoping it would say “he still has feelings for YOU” but as olivia finished reading the letter it said “HER” and i was just shocked, i just couldnt believe it.
    huh i just realized that walter and astrid werent in the episode as much as the other episodes
    once nina decoded the meassage of the author and it was sam i was like whoa sams came back, but when he said that peter can either create or destroy i felt a little relief hoping that peter would have the opportunity to save both universes
    i agree to anyone who thinks that sam isnt telling nina everything about the first people, peter, and the machine
    i also feel sorry for olivia because somewhere inside her she wants o be with peter but shes scared and then peter has some kind of feelings for fauxlivia and then mixes up olivias coffee with fauxlivia’s and he still hasnt told her that he killed the shapeshifters. this isnt going well for olivia

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  21. Count Screwloose says

    It seems that turning up the mythology has translated into turning FRINGE into a prime time soap (“As The Universe Turns”?). I’m really hoping there’s a lot more to the whole Vacuum business than a cosmic version of The Dating Game. This is starting to get just a little…tiresome. I have faith it will turn around, but this is some rough going. The recycled plots don’t help, either.

    As for the note at the end, the “her” Peter still has feelings for isn’t really specified, is she?

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    • catherine says

      that is true…al it said was that peter still had feelings for her
      1: which her was he talking about.
      2: what kind of feeling are they

      and as for olivia she should not have opened that envelope, she just needs to give peter a chance to make wrong wright.

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    • jacksonheights says

      I love Fringe but I am with you if I wanted “As the Universe Turns” I would be watching Grays Anatomy where they are doing it with everyone. To say whether or not either universe survives based on which Olivia Peter selects means there is not one other person in either Universe who has value. Lets hope that this is just another dead end that the writers will take us down. A little sad the show has veered from it science roots.

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  22. Fringie6989 says

    How do they do that? Those last three minutes have the power to make me cry, scream, bite all my fingernails, etc etc…tears tears tears! Will Olivia EVER get a break!? I was very surprised to see that she actually opened the letter. Not only did Simon drop TONS of hints not to, but it just doesnt seem like an Olivia thing to do. Poor poor girl! And poor Peter really…that is such a difficult situation…how do you even begin to sort through it and find the person you want to be with. Oh my gosh, I did so well through the whole episode…but those end minutes just killed me. Props to Nina though…a little behind the times but VERY exciting to see things starting to be pieced together. COME ON PETER!!! You know you want Olivia!

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    • Fringie6989 says

      I also found it a bit disconcerting that Nina had more experience with the Department of Defense than Broyles…I know Massive Dynamic works closely with them but still…a little creepy

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      • fringeobsessed says

        She probably slept with that CIA guy in the past.
        “What Nina Sharp wants, Nina Sharp gets.” I’ll bet that CIA guy knows that on a bunch of levels.

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        • thatgirlfriday says

          Yeah that was a super creepy moment. The way that guy said “What Niina Sharp wants, Nina Sharp gets.” Shudder.

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          • matt says

            She didn’t get William…

            but maybe she’ll get the favour Peter owes her (oh, by the way, don’t blow up the universe, thanks)

            or maybe the OTHER NINA GOT WILLIAM? OoOOoooo parallels? yes. and now SHE has another agenda, maybe the sides are William over there vs. a burned Nina here?

            (or more likely, she couldn’t get him because he was trapped there and she wants revenge for that, but yaneverknow)

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    • bdp says

      I’m glad to see someone else mention the seemingly dismissed idea of Olivia not opening the envelope. I can’t say I was “surprised” that Olivia opened it, I mean I kind of figured she would for the sole purpose of them “revealing” that Peter “still had feelings for [Fauxlivia]“. However I desperately found myself hoping that she would decided not to open the envelope and I agree that not opening seems like a much more Olivia thing to do but I think she opened it because this thing with Peter has really thrown her from what she usually is like. But I also noticed all Simon’s very unsubtle hints to Olivia NOT to open the envelope that you mentioned. He basically flat out told her “here is what he was thinking but the point is we aren’t supposed to know so just throw the damn thing out!” yet Olivia just understandably couldn’t help herself.

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      • lizw65 says

        I’ve been thinking about this, and perhaps the point is that despite everything, Olivia still can’t bring herself to trust anyone fully–including Peter and herself. If she’s always going to doubt and second-guess everyone around her, this will undermine her ability to do her job. There was something John Noble said in an interview about self-fulfilling prophecies, and how if we start believing in them, this increases their chances of happening, and this could be what is now happening with both Peter and Olivia. Peter believes he is being controlled by the machine, so he is–and Olivia believes she’s inferior to and loved less than her AU counterpart, so she may give up on her relationship with Peter believing it is doomed.

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      • fringeobsessed says

        IDK, if Simon felt that strongly that Olivia shouldn’t know what Peter’s supposedly thinking, why did he bother to give her that envelope?
        Did he think it would do her any good, or did he just want her to experience the misery he does? There’s some reciprocity there as well.

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        • Fringie6989 says

          I think Simon wanted to give her the choice that he has never had…thoughts don’t necessarily translate to truths. All of us have thoughts that go against what we believe or how we act. Simon gave her the choice to know what Peter was thinking but that doesnt mean that Peter actually feels that way or that he would act on those thoughts…and like several people have said, “he still have feelings for her” isnt super clear who he is talking about.

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        • matt says

          or was he messing with her since she had said to him “well even if… wouldn’t it be better to know?” (maybe he’s setting her up to test herself and inadvertently screwing her/peter around or maybe there was something even worse going through peter’s head…)

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      • Ari says

        Olivia has said in the past that knowing the truth is always the best way to move forward. I’m thinking specifically about when the mother of the woman Walter was accused of killing showed up, but she reiterated it in last night’s episode. I think half of what has been bothering her is that she has suspected this the whole time and Peter (understandably for a myriad of reasons) has been holding back. She’s been trying to bring it up and keeps getting an answer that she knows isn’t true. She just spent two months being told that her instincts were false, that she wasn’t who she thought she was. I suspect knowing her instincts were right and understanding exactly what she is dealing with will help her a lot.

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  23. says

    And to think that once in a lifetime someone comes along that you are meant to be with, only to find out that there are two of them. Please Peter, do not let little Peter make the decision, for the sake of all humanity.

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  24. catherine says

    ok am so tired of people making it look like peter is the one that needs to grovel and cry for her.. olivia is just so stuck in one point that she will not even give him the chance to make it up to her. she needs to open up, cry in his arms or something be more outgoing, SHE NEEDS TO REACH HIM HALFWAY. Yes peter was dating the fake one so its normal that he will still have feelings for her though i doubt they over power those that he has for this olivia.
    lets all remember that there was a time that even she olivia fell in love with someone who was not who she thought he was.. therefore why cant she see that just like how it was hard for her, it is also hard for him too.

    i am getting fed up with this story of peter and olivia this chick needs to atleast see that the dude is trying and yet she is so fixed in trying to see what the other olivia could have had that she does not that she is losing out on giving love a try.

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    • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

      “and yet she is so fixed in trying to see what the other olivia could have had that she does not that she is losing out on giving love a try.”

      And that’s almost exactly the point Olivia was trying to make to Simon when she suggested he go after the coffee shop girl!!

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        • says

          I thought that Oliva was channeling Fauxlivia. I mean, she did get glammed up at the drop of a hat very fast, and it paid off… Big time ! Olivia has some tricks up her sleeve, besides a gun.

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  25. Tyler says

    Come on guys…this is Fringe, they will pull the show back around from this soap opera thingy thats going on, and obviously its gonna be more complex than it appears to be at the moment, it always is. I honestly think they are doing something cool, they are setting it up (i believe, if the Alt-Olivia is pregnant) to be a repeat of Walter, Peter will have to choose to possibly cross universes and save his son, save the blue universe and his child, or destroy his “home” (still the blue side)….or a number of other possibilities, maybe thats season 4…who knows

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    • William Bishop says

      Please let this be true! Because I really won’t buy/like if the all-powerful Vacuum, built by the First People, which has some connection to the Observers; ends up having its function determined by who Peter likes, no!
      Fringe is just too good for that!

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      • epoh says

        I 100% agree Fringe is too good for that…I’m hoping that it turns out to be something more than that…I’m hopeful that “Don’t trust Sam Weiss” comes into play.

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        • lizw65 says

          Yeah, I thought about that too…it occurred to me that Sam Weiss might be manipulating events through Nina, as she likely believes everything he tells her implicitly. She already is convinced that only one universe can survive, and this may motivate her to put pressure on Peter to “choose”.

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        • Tyler says

          i think Sam Weiss could easily be a secret head to the observers, it would make sense if he had direct contact with them

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  26. epoh says

    I’m a huge fan of the show, but i must say, I’m not overly thrilled with all the Peter/Olivia/Fauxlivia drama. That the fate of the universe depends on which Olivia Peter chooses is not really the type of storyline I thought fringe would take. Having said that,if any show can make me love a plot like that it’s Fringe.

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  27. number six says

    I am not a fan of the scene with Sam Weiss and Nina. So now Peter has to choose one Olivia over the other and that will determine, what universe will survive. No moral struggle, no other factors like family or ideals. No “there has to be another way”. Now Olivia has to love Peter, not for himself or in spite of himself, it’s now a duty. How is this a compelling story? What if Peter stops caring about Olivia and Fauxlivia? Would both universes disappear, then?

    I get that Olivia is in a complicated situation and her doubts about Peter’s feelings are natural, but she really annoyed me. I hope they tone down the Peter/Olivia stuff, because I was with her during her scene with Nina, but I began to lose patience with her, when she confronted Peter in the crime scene. That’s twice in a row now. And I really dislike that she got into his head without asking him directly, what really worried her. Yes, he has feelings for Fauxlivia. No, we don’t know, what or how deep they are yet. Is it surprising at all? Olivia also has feelings for her alternate version.

    I fear that they’ll drag this triangle stuff for too long. I think it’s getting too much protagonism and I’m not a fan of this. I wish they’d go back to developing (or stopping it in its tracks) the P/O relationship in the background and with subtlety.

    I also have a question about this awkward triangle. Olivia is now both herself and Fauxlivia, thanks to dear old Walternate. She’s quite different from her old self, particularly noticeable with her being so open about her feelings, so smiley and her marksmanship. She has integrated some of Fauxlivia’s qualities, either by choice, because she likes them, or because she can’t get rid of them. I welcome and like these changes, but regarding Peter and since he’s supposed to dislike Fauxlivia, should he dislike those qualities in Olivia now? Should he like Olivia less now, that she’s integrated Fauxlivia’s traits?

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  28. lena says

    although i did not like the ep either, i trust the authors with this plot. it’s not only about who peter is going to choose but more about where his loyalties are. if he is the power source of the bbm, of course, it is about which universe he would choose and that, again, is determined (at least at the moment) by olivia and fauxlivia respectively. i think sam just said it in a very simplified, maybe oversimplified way.

    btw, did anyone else notice the x-files similarities? there is one ep in which a mindreader (gibson praise) is telling scully about the thoughts of diana fowley (mulder’s sort of girlfriend). well, whatever.

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  29. runpaceyrun says

    Ok have done a rewatch…and am calmer and am thinking more clearly. Man there was a lot going on this episode….a lot that i missed when i watched it live. And i will probably pick up more on a second re-watch.

    Loved the nod to Intrepus….that was great. It felt like there were so many references or similarities to other season 1&2 eps….some things were strangely familiar.
    There was a reference to the guy being a private contractor overseas….and i loved that Peter smirked and had a little chuckle or a wry grin. How much does he miss doing that right now? Nod to the Pilot ep…thankyou writers!
    When they were talking about the weapons project…and losing the baby….that took me straight back to ‘Fracture’ (ep2.03) Gotta love project Tin Man. In that ep Peter ended up back in Iraq…which really tied in nicely to the nod to the Pilot episode again.
    Then there was the scene where Olivia was in the hospital with Simon and she pulled back the hospital curtain……wow…that was so reminiscent of Over There Part 2..it was really freaky. Even the view we had of her doing that…was like the view that Alt-liv had when she watched the security footage back and saw her doppleganger for the first time. That was really interesting. Im still thinking about that.
    And then there was the scene where Olivia grabbed Simons arm to help calm him down…..mmmmm that was very familiar. In my mind i could hear Walter saying to Peter…’son help Agent Dunham to calm down…help her’. Nice reference back to Bad Dreams and Nick Lane.

    In earlier comments someone asked what happened to Dark Peter? I actually think he was still present in this episode….it was just a quieter version. Look how he led the team into the Intrepus office ….he was first in…he started taking samples….he found the source of the contagion. Very reminiscent of how he took charge at the beginning of season 2 when Olivia was hurt. As he said last week…..he wants to be pro-active rather than reactive. He also had a few little exchanges with Walter ie talking about the other cortexi kids / chatting by the highway and talking about Simon Phillips….and there were a couple of looks that passed between him and Walter that werent exactly loving!. And then there was the throwing of the photo album onto the bed after Olivia left the room. I think he was feeling as though he could do nothing right….and i think he is getting a little cheesed at the moment. And of course, there was superhero Peter running across the roof top and leaping off the roof in pursuit of ‘whateverhisnamewas’ . Which makes me think that Dark Peter’s still lurking…..its just that in this ep there were no shapeshifters to hunt down.
    He’s still there….and that still scares me just a little.
    Loved that we saw more of Nina…and i hope we continue to do so. I have a feeling that she knows more than she is letting on….and i still dont quite fully trust her. Actually i dont trust her at all. Great to see Sam…..but i actually feel very untrusting of him as well. There is something about the way he said…’im not your problem, Peter Bishop is’. Its almost like he is trying to create an outcome that he wants…..not the one the Observers forsee (whatever that may be). I know the Observers forsee many different outcomes, i just think that Sam has his own agenda…and it may be the exact opposite of the Observers. He may be trying to get Nina to interfere and create a different outcome. But thats just my opinion.
    Loved the way Sam was playing with / stroking the bowling ball at the end of the episode…very sinister. And then of course we get the inevitable collision of the 2 bowling balls. Nice one Sam…..two worlds collide. A throw back to Nina and her Statue of Liberty snow globes collidiing. Writers tied that one in very nicely.

    Now we get to the Peter and Olivia situation. Mmmmm i do love these 2 and i think that the writers are handling this, for the most part, pretty well. I will admit that after watching this ep live i cried…but hey im a chic…and thats what we do, we cry. We love the heartbreak..and the tears add to the enjoyment of the episode. And i know some fans are getting sick of the P&O relationship, love triangle thingy….but this storyline is here for a purpose..and if it gets me a season 4,5 and 6….i’ll be one happy camper.

    But after the rewatch i feel better about what is happening. Im glad the writers dont have Peter and Olivia arguing etc over what happened between the 2 of them. Having the problem slowly simmer is much better pacing. And yes it is perfectly natural for Olivia to be feeling insecure about her herself and her feelings. She is a confident and competant FBI agent and in her job she is very secure and knows where she stands…but that doesnt mean that she is like that in other parts of her life. It is only natural for her to wonder if Peter still has feelings for Alt-liv…natural for her to compare herself to Alt-liv and think that she doesnt measure up. These are perfectly natural human responses…real life responses. This happens to us…..in our personal lives and work lives. Who hasnt compared themselves to someone else that the world may perceive as being perfect…and wonder if we can measure up….or indeed how we can be more like them. So many real life examples to choose from!

    The scene where Olivia is talking to Simon really sums up the situation between her and Peter…or at least sums up how she might be trying to get some perspective on it…or at least trying to voice her feelings. It starts when Olivia asks…’Whats she like?’ Simon replies…’she’s perfect’. Olivia pauses, thinks and its her turn for a wry, if not semi strained grin. Thats how she feels. She thinks that everyone else thinks that Alt-liv is perfect…and she in some way may think that too. Because she was her for a time. The rest of the dialogue between these 2 is really good….and i suggest people really listen to this when they rewatch it.

    The best part was ..’Thats what you’re afraid is gonna happen. And so what if you find out that she’s not interested or that theres somebody else on her mind or that she doesnt love you. I mean isnt it better to know’. Oh man Olivia is really just talking to herself here…trying to just put a stop to her angst over this whole situation. But the real cruncher for me was when Simon said..’ No one should know exactly what someone else is thinking’. And thats the truth….we may all want to know what others are thinking but sometimes the truth hurts and hurts badly…and you are much better off never knowing.

    And as for the note from Simon that says ‘he still has feelings for her’…well i think thats a bit misleading. Simon can read peoples minds…and all he gets from Peter is one line! I just dont buy that. It may be his summation of what he thought he understood but he doesnt know which Olivia he could have been referring to…so upon reflection and after recovering from my tears…im ok with that. But if this is setting up for an alt-uni-baby….then i have a problem with that. But i will save that rant for another day which will hopefully never arise.

    My final thought is reserved for Simon. I just thought that in some way he was leading a life similar to that of an Observer. Observers know what people are thinking ..can read peoples minds….and so can Simon. This gave me a different perspective on the Observers….is this how it is for them? Can they hear all these thoughts at once? Is this the reason why they have no emotions? If they had emotions then hearing and dealing with all these thoughts would tip them over the edge…as it does with Simon. Being emotionless enables them to process these thoughts just as a computer does when reading data.

    It has just occured to me that my username perfectly matched a scene from tonights episode. Yes i am a fan of Josh Jacksons so chose the name ‘runpaceyrun’ in reference to his character on another show…..and in this ep who should be running across a rooftop being a superhero boy wonder…none other than Pacey (Peter). I should have yelled out..run pacey run’.

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  30. lena says

    after rewatching the ep I am convinced that the episode title is directed to the viewers: CONCENTRATE AND ASK AGAIN!

    nothing is as it seems.

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    • loveit says

      I agree. I really feel like we are missing something big between the last episode and this one.
      First “Don’t trust Sam Weiss” – so who is he? what are his motives? does he WANT Peter with Fauxlivia for some reason, why?
      Second, badass Peter was seen a few times – did anyone notice the hateful stares he gave Walter, but never Olivia? and
      Third, either mind-reader guy wasn’t being totally forthcoming or he is unable to really deduce what the other people are thinking – he still has feelings for her could mean anyone – even Tessa from season 1, imo.
      Really, they are setting up something here I just don’t know what it is. Next week is over there where I am guessing that we will find out Faulivia did like Peter. I think this will only happen to keep us (the audience) fixated on the possibility that Peter liked her too. I think it’s all a red herring….why?!
      CONCENTRATE AND ASK AGAIN!

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  31. lilli says

    oh man….now I know with what type of tragedy this great love story is gonna end up with….if gossip is right,we’re gonna have a mean choice ahead or a bluff….man I hope for the bluff….

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      • Lila says

        Yes that’s what I remembered while watching the episode! But do you think it’s referring to what he said this episode? Because maybe in future episodes he’ll say more things, and maybe some of them are advices that will end up being bad? Just a guess, but I’m sure (and I hope =D) tha he’ll appear again and more!

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  32. says

    I also think it was cool to see Intrepus, and it was cool to see the CIA guy from “Earthling” again. Is that the first Intrepus since season One?

    I’m also a fan of the “Fringe team solves a case” episodes. I’m glad the show still does them, even if they did too many in Season Two.

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    • jacksonheights says

      no Diane Kruger was suing Intrepid in the episode where the Cortexi kid with cancer was killing all of the other cortexi kids.

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  33. WWE Fan from LA says

    I can’t believe that 9 people actually voted this as the best ever Fringe episode. IMO not so much.

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    • Page 48 says

      Is Olivia really naive enough to think that this poor wretch, Simon, should chase after Miss Perfect? Does she really think this course of action would have a happy ending? How many times does he have to explain the sitch to her about the devastating consequences of being able to read other peoples’ thoughts?

      The ethical considerations aside, how do we ourselves think others would see us if they knew what was playing out in our thoughts at all times, no matter how close our relationship with those people? If some of the people I work with knew what I was thinking about them everyday, I’d spend my whole life fending off criminal charges.

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      • real1 says

        Simon said : you don’t understand .. I supposed to read what people is thinking .

        then he gave her the letter , and said : you may know what I mean .

        So , the question is : when he did read Peter’s mind ? … at the last scene when Peter was saying you look great in dress ? .. if so … Peter may question himself about how the other Olivia was in a dress , which let Simon to read that he still has feelings for her .

        nice thought about if the 2 worlds will survive that mean Peter is in love with the 2 women .. but I doubt that . Peter will make a choice ….. and I think the blue universe will survive …….. because Peter will pick Fauxlivia not Olivia . ( my old theory .. Olivia is from the other side and Fauxlivia is from our side , maybe Olivia is from the third side , so one universe will ruin , )

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      • jacksonheights says

        If some of the people I work with knew what I was thinking about them everyday, I’d spend my whole life fending off criminal charges.

        I am work right now. LOL

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  34. Browncoat Whit says

    Hey — I’m all for Peter being torn equally between both Olivias. Because hells bells — ain’t that the only way to keep both universes from destruction? Sam spoke about the Vacuum as being either/or, but I’m sure Peter could surprise by vibrating at an unexpected frequency, just about now…

    I loved Simon (was his name a Firefly refence, as Simon Tan’s little sister is the one who reads minds in that series?)! And his last moments with Walter were absolutely lovely — yet I wouldn’t be surprised if the letter to Olivia with Peter’s veiled thoughts weren’t a bit of passive-aggressive payback for the torture the Fringe Team put him through that night!

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  35. hal says

    Since Sam is one of the first people I think he must be psychic. He should have all the abilities that cortexiphan subjects have. If Walter was indeed right that in some point in time humans lost these natural abilities, is it not okay to assume that maybe the first people could be the only ones to retain that natural state?
    This could provide an explanation for his Peter prophesy.

    But then I have to wonder why that German guy last season seemed to live so long. Was he a first people? He didn’t have any abilities, except being a nerd.

    So Sam may not have any abilities. He just knows things since he’s from the beginning of Earth or the universe as we/they know it.. I wanna know what he knows.. why didn’t Nina storm in there with some goons and detain him?! They need to interrogate his ass hard.

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  36. hal says

    ooh I just noticed! One of Bell’s books is The Second Ring of Power!
    Another Carlos Casteneda reference. This is why I love this show..nerd boner!

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  37. Fringie6989 says

    I think people have been really hard on Peter…I am annoyed too but Peter never even had time to cope with finding out about his childhood, coming to terms with the fact that he doesn’t know where he belongs anymore, Walter lying to him for the majority of his life, Olivia keeping a secret from him for weeks (though I don’t blame her for that…it wasn’t her place to say anything) And now he has to cope with the fact that the first time he reached out to somebody, let himself love freely, and gave his heart to who he thought was the woman he had slowly been building a relationship with, and it all turned out to be a lie. So now he is dealing with developed feelings for a woman who he thought was someone else, but still developed those feelings regardless, seeing Olivia in pain everytime they are together. Coming to terms with the fact that it wasn’t him who brought out a lighter side of Olivia, in fact he is the one responsible for making her miserable, and now having to choose the woman he knew and the woman he thought he knew. Throw in a destiny with the power to destroy or create a couple universes and dealing with the fact that the machine can bring out his worst parts and I think the guy deserves a bit of a break. No one person should ever have to deal with all that. That said, I am completely rooting for Peter and Olivia not only because they have been building up that relationship for three years now, and not only because Fauxlivia makes me want to yell, scream, and kick the tv everytime she appears…but also because Peter and Olivia need to work together to save both universes. I honestly don’t see them destroying one universe over the other…if they were going to do that, they wouldn’t have let the people from the other universe into our hearts…and by other people, I mean Alternate Broyles, Scarlie, and Lincoln…definitely not Fauxlivia in my case…Lets just let Peter and Olivia work it out…Peter is allowed a few mistakes and while I agree that it would be nice to see Olivia get angry, the broken, hurt, confused Olivia is the one who Peter fell in love with and if anyone can heal her, it will be Peter.

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    • fringeobsessed says

      “…and if anyone can heal her, it will be Peter.”

      And from a foreshadowing side of things(AKA “Brown Betty”) how about vice versa?

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      • Fringie6989 says

        I agree. I think Olivia will need to save Peter as much as Peter will need to save Olivia…hence, the reason they need to work together, they make a great team

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  38. cvita says

    The Wooster trials, according to Nina, ended in 1983 (“Ability”). Walter’s original Peter died in 1985. I’m curious how could Simon Phillips new about kidnapping before 1985? Maybe Nina was lying and trials did continue after ’83, since Simon is mentioning he was 10 when he started to hear other people’s thoughts (and he seams to be the same age as Oliva). Or is it just a whole in the story or maybe I missed something? Anyhow, future will probably tell.

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    • Peanut says

      Simon could not have known about Peter’s kidnapping if the dates for the drug trials that we have been given were correct.

      As someone pointed out, wouldn’t a mind-reading guy have come in handy before now in Fringe cases? Walter, just now, conveniently remembered probably one of the most valuable abilities?

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      • lizw65 says

        The fact that he’s a half-mad recluse who can barely function around other people diminishes his ability to be an “asset”, IMO.

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  39. number six says

    One of the things I liked about this episode is, that Olivia didn’t trust Peter and didn’t ask him directly about his feelings for Fauxlivia, paralleling Peter’s lack of trust in her in Reciprocity. I mean, I like the parallel, not their behavior ;)

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  40. Tammy says

    This show is driving me crazy..I think I’m just not smart enough to figure out everything and all these clues..anyway back to the mind reader Simon. At the start of the episode you have Nina advising Olivia to find out from Peter what he is feeling..wants and she also warns her what will happened if she doesn’t..REGRET..just like Nina and William’s relationship…

    Then you have Olivia telling Simon to go talk to Ms. Perfect coffee shop girl and why he should..bascially so he will know if there is a chance and to avoid regret of not finding out if there could have been something between them…

    Then what does Olivia do.. out of fear of being rejected by Peter she trys to go in the back door to find out what he is thinking. I don’t know why she read the letter..curiousity killed the cat?? She had a choice to either read the letter or follow Nina’s and her own advice and go talk to Peter..but she doesn’t..instead she read the stupid letter that could really mean anything and will now shut herself off from Peter! WTH!!!!!!!!!!!

    I wish her and Peter would just talk..yea some stuff happen but I like you and you like me so lets go for a drink..instead all we get is the going around in circles.

    If this has been mentioned before I missed it…but I LOVED that Peter explain why he told Olivia those things about the other AltOlivia..he wanted her to know that HE DID NOTICE the differences but he thought it was because of him. How sweet is that? My heart just broke for him right there.. I know I seem to have a roller coaster relationship with Peter Bishop..anyway thought that was really sweet and cleared up why he said that to her.

    I think the #1 thing holding back P/O relationship is that they no longer trust themselves…or at least for Peter. He can no longer find the answers within…he had a clude that something was off with Olivia but didn’t follow it through for whatever reasons…

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  41. romil says

    I see a Peter who doesn’t belong to this universe.
    I see observers who are trying to correct that mistake.
    Then I see that Peter was supposed to fall in love with Fauxlivia not Olivia at first place. Because they both belong to the same universe. Peter loves and likes Fauxlivia and through all past three years he was developing feeling for a damaged shadow of Fauxlivia.

    I think Olivia should observe this and by the rule of “if you love somebody, set them free”, should help unit Fauxlivia and Peter. Walternate deserves to enjoy being around his son too. So, everyone at the end should work toward sending Peter to the other universe. When Peter gets there and becomes happy, he can help Walternate to forgive and pass his war obsession. Just like the way he helped Walter.

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    • Tammy says

      And the thought of Peter being with FauxOlivia just makes me angry! I don’t think Walternate will change he has become the person he is and him getting Peter back won’t change him and won’t make up for the time he didn’t have with Peter. Like it or Walter is Peter’s dad he is the one that he grew up loving..I don’t doubt Peter could love Walternate but the family connection isn’t there.

      But I have to agree with you with Peter being with FauxOlivia..from same universe..but I don’t want it to happen at all. Maybe it is destiny for Peter and our Olivia to be together. But I guess that is why Fringe keeps us guessing..does Peter belong with FauxOlivia…but them being from the same universe is no guarantee that they would even know each other..if it wasn’t for Walter taking Peter there wouldn’t have been a Fringe division to begin with..and who knows the type of person Peter would have become..for all we know he could have tuned out to be some introvert tech guy and him and FauxOlivia would have nothing in common and probably no reason or chance to ever meet…so by Walter taking Peter he created the Peter/Olivia and now FauxOlivia relationship..so with that thinking Peter/Olivia are the ones to be together..of course that is just wishful thinking on my part :)

      P/O all the way! Peter was already home and came back to our side for Olivia I don’t see him using his smarts to try and open a door to the other side to be with FauxOlivia..he seems to be doing everything he can to stop the other side..yes..more wishful thinking on my part. But I just refuse to believe that his 8 weeks he spent with FauxOlivia means more to him than being with the real Olivia. Aside from her easy smile or whateva what else does he know about her? It isn’t like he go to know the real Olivia..so his feelings for her aren’t real they are not based on her..they are based on him thinking it was his Olivia.

      He fell for as you put it shadow of FauxOlivia..so he fell for Olivia..the real Olivia so I don’t think Ms. Pretender can just smile him out of those feelings.. Writers please prove me right!

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      • real1 says

        Totally I agree , but .. i think there is a mistake ! .. I mean .. the war isn’t starting from any side … the natural is seeking a balance as how September did say to Walter .. and Bell said there will be a storm … and Olivia who can stop this war .. Bell didn’t mention that one world will survive he said to Olivia that she will be the one who will stop the war and she will need Peter at her side .

        Which mean Peter should be trapped in the blue universe and not ever go to the red one ,

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        • romil says

          In that case, I would say; Peter should go after Fauxlivia with help of heart broken Olivia. Find out that Walternate is beyond repair and Fauxlivia lacks certain qualities which he admires in Olivia. Get back to blue universe with confidence of his choice instead of being in blue universe wondering how could it have been. And Olivia would be sure of him bacause he had the option and he came back to her. How is that?
          I simply like the stories with drama flavor.

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  42. Mtm says

    I was a bit disappointed with the exchange between Nina and Sam and can’t believe that the fate of two universes could come down to the matter of which girl Peter fancies!?! But I trust the writers, they clearly are many steps ahead of us and are building up to something but it completely beats me what it might be. But then that’s why I read Roco’s take on everything as well as all the other fringies:)

    Another thought. Did anyone else get the impression that when Sam was talking about Peter, he sounded bitter and resentful?

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  43. mlj102 says

    I’m trying to figure out exactly what to say. I really had a whole mixture of reactions to this episode and this is one of those instances where I’m having a hard time finding the right words to express those reactions.

    I’ll start with the episode itself. This was certainly an improvement over last week. I quite liked the case. It was intriguing and unique with that perfect Fringe quality to it. I liked the connection to the Cortexiphan Trials. I loved the continuation of the first people and I was thrilled to see Sam Weiss at the end (unlike many people, I missed seeing his name in the opening credits, so it was a complete surprise to me when I saw the scene shift to the bowling alley). I really enjoyed the theme running through this episode of being honest with your thoughts/feelings and asking questions and getting the answers. I thought it was very clever the way they connected that throughout the episode, from the title, to the Magic 8 ball, to Peter and Olivia, to Simon and his crush, to mind reading… It was very well done. And, in general, the production value of the episode continued with that high quality I’ve come to expect. It was visually stunning throughout, and Fringe really is unique in that way.

    As for Peter and Olivia, that’s where it gets complicated. There are moments when I think they’re addressing the situation very well. It feels natural, professional, emotional, and not over the top. But then there are moments where it completely frustrates me and I wish they would just back off a little bit. It’s starting to feel a bit too forced and too soap opera dramatic for my liking.

    It surprises me to see so many comments talking about how Olivia needs to toughen up and move on. Really? Olivia is the one who has been directly influenced and hurt by all of this. She was violated and betrayed. The person closest to her couldn’t even recognize when she wasn’t there. That’s no small thing. She’s heartbroken, confused, and feeling inferior to her alternate. Why should she be expected to just move past that? That kind of healing is going to take time, and Peter should have to earn back her trust.

    I think the situation with Peter is just one example of the deeper issue, which is that she has lost any feelings of self worth. She needs to feel like someone cares about her and appreciates her as she is, not like she is second best to her alternate. It must be incredibly discouraging to feel like you’re not good enough at being you; that there’s someone else who is the you that is better and is liked more by those you care about. What Olivia needs is to realize that she is valuable and significant and appreciated for being the way she is. As has been said, one of the themes this season is all about identity, and this is all about Olivia coming to terms with her own identity. And that is a journey I’m excited to see take place. So I really have no problem with the way she is responding to things or how she is struggling to come to terms with those things.

    Peter, on the other hand, is really starting to irritate me. For all the times Olivia has asked him something, seeking reassurance that she is good enough as she is, he has insisted that it was never about alternate Olivia… only to find that that’s not completely true. It really bothers me that he seems to be trying to smooth things over with Olivia while holding onto residual feelings for alternate Olivia. That he’s trying to hide the fact that he does care about alternate Olivia. Ignoring the fact that I don’t see how he could have any positive feelings for her after learning how she deceived him and used him, it’s just not right for him to be pursuing Olivia if he still has feelings for alternate Olivia. It’s not fair to Olivia. That’s like saying he’s settling for second best. If he still has feelings for alternate Olivia, then he should be honest with Olivia and let her go until he comes to terms with things one way or another. That’s part of why she’s so conflicted right now. He says one thing, but his actions suggest a different thing. He can’t try to have both. He needs to make a choice. (If I had any talent whatsoever in the field of making music videos, I would so make one using this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzXWkz1IBLQ Could there be a more appropriate song for Peter’s current predicament?) He owes it to her to be honest, even if the truth does hurt. It certainly can’t hurt her any more than she’s already been hurt.

    The idea that the universe that survives will depend on which Olivia Peter ends up with is intriguing to me. I think that concept goes beyond the surface level that it’s nothing more than a matter of romance. Whatever it is that makes Peter uniquely qualified to power the machine, it makes sense that that would be influenced by the person he loves… It kind of goes back to that idea of reciprocity that was introduced in the last episode. The person he’s with will have an influence on him and will impact whatever it is that makes him power the machine. Besides, it has long been speculated that there’s some deeper connection between Peter and Olivia… this could be related to that. At any rate, I’m intrigued and I look forward to having this explained more. As Sam said, whether it creates or destroys is a matter of perspective… I’m curious to see where they’re going with that.

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    • runpaceyrun says

      mlj102…the song choice you suggested re Peters current predicament is indeed a perfect one. I do hope someone makes a video to match it.
      As for Peter and Olivias relationship…well i can completely see where both are coming from. I fully understand Olivias questioning / doubting herself and her feelings…doubting who she is, how she thinks others view her etc…. and as i mentioned in my comment earlier….it is only natural that she is comparing herself to Alt-Liv. And i also understand Peters point of view…..he has a lot going on at the moment regarding the machine, the Observers, Walter & Walternate….and then of course there is Olivia and Alt-livia. I think he is trying to do the best he can as far as Olivia is concerned because he doesnt want to hurt her anymore. But at the same time as trying to heal the hurt Olivia feels, he has to deal with his destiny….and at the moment he doesnt have much information at his disposal. So i think for him…confusion reigns supreme.
      As you say … it really is all about identity or rather loss of identity. I dont think that either of them know who they are anymore…..and they are just both doing their best to figure that out.
      All i can say is that im glad its not happening to me. I wouldnt have a clue what to do!!!!!

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  44. brokor says

    When Peter says : How did your daughter die?
    it was a direct quote from “marionette”. we all remember the dialogues between him and olivia and this episode reprises them.

    also intrepus?? what’s up with that. didnt they make the radioactive girls that exploded heads?

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  45. Xochitl says

    I finally could watch the episode and I just want to say that I knew it, i knes that mixing what they felt was part of the main plot, they jus didn’t mix that for pleasure, everythig in fringe has a meaning, so I knew it, it would be up to the, specially up to peter and it completely sucks that he still has feelings for her, and if alt!livia ends up being pregnant that is just so going to complicate the end even more, because peter might chose to be with her not because he has feelings for her but because of a son or daughter.

    Now, does peter really have feelings for her or is just that he is attracted to this part of Olivia he has seen but that olivia has not reach yet? she said it on the last episode, they are both the same, which I have denied to believe because there is no way but she is right, they are the same, so Olivia can be that person but, does she want to? is it going to be enoguh? and now, if that is the real reason how the hell is peter supppouse to chose?

    joshua jackson said it in an interview just when the season was starting, what if peter had chosen and doesn’t know exactly what he wants to do? the man knew this was going to happen, you just don’t throw that comment and then this happane, he knew!!!

    now, if those infamous pics from 6b are any signal, maybe peter does want to love her and be with her, but it’s just to complicated and too much, and I now know why we are going to the other side, we have to see this effects on alt!livia and if it’s remotly possibly for her to come back or for her and peter to get together.

    and i just wanted to kill nina, c’mon, nobody had noticed that those books where by sam weiss? I don’t think so, okay it had to do with timing in the plot, nice, and I know why nina was the one to find out and not olivia or peter becaue it would add just another layer of complicated for them.

    and i have long wondered if this, them beign together had to dod exactly like this would mean if they are meant to be together becaue of love, or by the machine, I mean when they fidn out about his my first question would be, “are we together because we really love each other, or have we been manipulated to reach this point because of everything? and maybe if it resolves it’s going to leave this doubts on them, peter is really going to have a hard time figuring tthis one out.

    and of couse “6months later” makes sense now, if peter remotly got to know any olivia as a kid, here of there, i think it’s going to anchor him to one of them, which complicated everything more.

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    • Xochitl says

      sorrry, forgot, and I now know why Walternate make that huge effort for retrieve alt!lvia, one, either she is pregnant, or two, she is an anchor for peter, I know so is his mother but, taking what just happened, it makes tons of sense

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  46. Lindsey says

    Does anyone else remember the clue from the season two finale? “Don’t trust Sam Weiss.” The machine isn’t hinged on who Peter loves, but he’s going to make it seem that way… for some reason. I’m guessing, anyway. Either way, I’m not putting any stock into anything Weiss says right now.

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      • Fringie6989 says

        I agree. Sam is hiding some serious stuff and of course, he is going to try to lay the blame on Peter and his love triangle. I honestly believe it takes much more than which Olivia Peter chooses to decide the creation or destruction of a universe(s). I think everyone needs to take a deep breath, concentrate and ask again. When has Fringe ever let us down? This love triangle is the precursor to something bigger than all of them…who knows, maybe Olivia and Fauxlivia will need to work together at some point?

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        • matt says

          and worse, it was “the easiest lie to remember” and be able to pull out of your hat when surprised by something/someone…

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  47. KLA says

    Just watched the epsiode, and I agree with all above who said ‘DON’T TRUST SAM WEISS.” He was definatley shifty, and as someone else said, he looked a little peturbed about Peter. Yes, it is great to have him back, but that man has an agenda, and I got the sense that he was against this world.

    Now as for Ms. Nina, she is shifty too. It is almost as if she has some interest in the first people beyond figuring out what the machine is all about. Somehow I get the feeling that she will not tell Broyles or Olivia about whom Sam is. She is definately up to something. DON’T TRUST NINA EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!

    As for Peter and Olivia, I am not sure what to think. In a way I am a little tired of it, but on the other hand I have to trust the writers. In a small twisted way I want Peter to continue spiraling downward so that Olivia can pull him back up and thus feel needed and important. Both of them are such a mess now and it is starting to take away from the story a little for me. Perhpas Roco’s upcoming review will give me some much needed perspective.

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  48. KLA says

    One more thing. Olivia looked very nice in her dress, but where was she packing that gun??? I guess it was strapped to her thigh as there did not seem to be an pockets in that dress.

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    • Cortexifan says

      KLA, there actually were pockets in the dress. She also pulled out her badge.
      And thank you for writing that you have to trust the writer. This is Fringe and so far I have not been let down. They have a difficult relationship that cannot be solved just like that. There is more to all of this than what we can see. I’m very looking forward to this next AU episode. The actors ability to pull this off deserves every respect and recognition. And I can’t wait to see where the machine, Peter and Olivia take us.
      Everyone keep supportive please!!

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  49. says

    Bombshell episode! Nina is here, Sam Weiss is back, the action and suspence, Anna Torv looking her most beautiful EVER(!), wow! What a fantastic episode.
    I love the eastereggs aswel.

    But: does the existence of the entire universe depends on just the love of one man for a woman? I mean: did the First People bury the machineparts for eons just to assemble it and say: “Hey, there’s gonna be a guy and whoever he falls in love with, is the universe that will remain…”.

    Isn’t that a bit too simple for such an elaborate plan? Also: we’ve seen some of the found parts and they looked a bit ancient or even alien. Now that we’ve seen the Doomsday Device constucted, it just looks way too slick ‘n smooth for me. For comparison: take the arch/ring portal from ‘Stargate’, it lóóked old and ancient. Some parts found in S2 and S3 looked old, but now it’s just a slick and smooth thingy.

    Nevertheless, this is an awesome episode with more story unraveling and things being explained. Thins makes ‘Fringe’ the best quality tv-show out there. Hats off!

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  50. Peanut says

    On rewatch, I noticed more about the scene of Olivia with Nina. Nina wonders if there was any information about the First People in Fauxlivia’s “Dear Diary,” as Roco calls it. Olivia says that there’s not anything about them or the Bowflex of Doom in there. Olivia must have read the entire diary–maybe one reason why she is so down in this episode.

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  51. coolfringepuff says

    When Olivia sipped her coffee and then checked it’s with milk, the way she forced the coffee down is the way how she’d been forced to accept that Peter still couldn’t get rid of Faulivia on his head.

    I saw a lot of comments above saying Olivia should move on and what a cry-baby Olivia was with Peter about Faulivia. In my opinion, Olivia did move on. They will get past the conflicts but it needs time. Olivia is still very wounded by the fact that nobody knows she’s gone when she’s Over There which leads to where Olivia blurted out the fact to Nina saying Faulivia is like her but better because she has friends who love her. Olivia said that as if to indicate she’s alone in this world. The same goes to Simon when he says he feels alone in this world because he could hear everybody’s thoughts.

    Then again, when Olivia pointed out to Peter saying Simon is broken because he’s a cortexiphan test subject, Peter said to Olivia ‘You’re nothing like him.’ Is that line genuine or there’s some other meaning behind it. What do you guys think?

    Oh yah, by the way, there’s another thing…when Simon and Olivia looked over at Peter, Simon hears his thought right? I could only manage to hear something about ‘what the machine can do’ and ‘two years’. It could mean Peter is having a two-sided emotions whether to choose Olivia or Faulivia.

    ‘He still has feelings for her’ <– What kind of feelings does he refer to? Hatred? Or Love? Could Simon knows there's a parallel universe and there's two Olivias? The sentence 'He still has feelings for her' could means Peter still has feelings for Our Olivia and not particularly fixed to be Faulivia.

    I agree it's hurt to know the truth but sometimes it's better to know the truth than to be lied to. Olivia's face at the end of the episode really breaks my heart. I was so hyper and happy from the very beginning till the very last minute when Simon handed Olivia the 'little secret' envelope. When that scene appear and the next dialogue comes in line, I could sense fishy and unhappy aroma filling up the air and I was right, Olivia looked like her heart had been shattered into million of pieces again~

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    • anonymous says

      “Peter said to Olivia ‘You’re nothing like him.’ Is that line genuine or there’s some other meaning behind it. What do you guys think?”

      From the look Olivia gives Peter after he says that line its like she must be thinking: “Are you F***ing kidding me, do you know me at all? I sure feel broken!” I think Peter needs to grab a clue.

      It makes me think back to the scene when Peter talks to Fauxlivia in “Over there II” and she asks him what Olivia is like and he replies that she’s like her except darker in the eyes, and “always trying to right some imaginary wrong” and all I could think at that point was WTH, imaginary? She was experimented on as a toddler and her crazy stepfather terrorizes her every year on her birthday with creepy cards. Don’t you get that the wrongs aren’t exactly imaginary Petah?

      Although now Peter’s going through some terrible crap of his own so maybe he’ll wake up and smell the Over Here coffee that Fauxlivia’s insensitive to crap other people go through and doesn’t care because she’s never had to go through it herself.

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  52. Tammy says

    This is a little off topic..but where did this rumor of the other Olivia being preggo come from? I hope it isn’t cause I just couldn’t handle it and can’t understand why the writers would throw that in there…

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  53. Rabbit says

    i have a question…. is there anyone who can mix and unmix audio and can tell me what walters mind says in this last episode? it sounds like one time he says “its foolish for us to think we were the first homo sapiens” if they take this show at an epic scale, they might do flashbacks of before humans. would that be nuts!?!?!?!?

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    • Peanut says

      Walter’s thoughts from “origamiart” at Fringe-Forum:

      Simon pointing gun at Walter.
      Yes I know who you are.
      No, I wouldn’t call it wonderful at all.
      Bacon
      Unicorns
      Peter’s birthday
      Dash of Cinnamon
      Z2=Z1squared+C
      Reiden Lake
      What does that mean, what are you trying to do to me?
      Walter says nothing. My mind does that sometimes.
      Then walter’s thoughts come in and out to say,
      “i know what it’s like to assume we’re the homosapiens.” inaudible “loss of life” inaudible “you’ll never know”

      “olivia” heard the thoughts as–
      Simon says:
      bacon
      unicorns
      peter’s birthday
      dash of cinnamon
      z2 = z1 squared + c
      raiden lake [Reiden Lake]

      Walter’s thoughts:
      She’s another cortexiphan subject
      I know what it’s like to lose someone
      assume that we’re the first homosapiens
      by now (cuts off)
      how can we be so arrogant

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  54. Sagacity says

    It seems that both Olivia and Fauxlivia are versions of Ying and Yang. Peter may introduce a third option with the machine and merge the the two universes and Olivias into a third and ultimate new creations. Just a thought.

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