Fringe Episode 3.11 Reciprocity


TWO INCIDENTS TRIGGER ONE MASSIVE INVESTIGATION ON AN ALL-NEW “FRINGE FRIDAY”, JANUARY 28, ON FOX

When the Fringe Team visits Massive Dynamic’s assembly of doomsday device, Walter becomes greatly concerned for Peter’s well-being, so he turns to Nina for added brain power to understand the relationship between Peter and the superweapon. Meanwhile, the discovery of a dead body triggers an intense investigation in the all-new “Reciprocity” episode of FRINGE airing Friday, Jan. 28 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR 3.11) (TV-14 L, V)

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth

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    • says

      Roco, that comment was meant for you and your quick post. But Olivia did later point out twice that “We are always a step behind.” Very surprised by her choice of words. Made me shudder after the fact.

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      • TFT says

        I’ve got a question. Why and hpow are there 2 machines, one per universe? And why did Walternate want the Fringe team to detect all the buried pieces if he himself already has a complete machine?

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        • real1 says

          Because he doesn’t know how to power it and his son left his universe and went with Olivia to the other side , so , he did the switch and ordered Faux-livia to work on that and let Peter focus on the machine and to detect all the pieces .

          I don’t think it’s just Peter’s DNA which let the machine active .

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        • Peanut says

          Apparently, Walternate’s device is Wave Sink #3–which indicates, to me, that there were at least three devices at one time.

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  1. lizw65 says

    Peter drank the milk. That must have been the “little trigger” at the end of The Firefly that Jasika Nicole was talking about. He drank the milk, and it’s making him more like Walternate. Man, what a suspenseful episode! I can’t write much more–I have to process it all. (And now they’re using “Fauxlivia”! :D)

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  2. M says

    Now I know what the Observers were talking about! :D

    Walter can’t make the same mistake twice of sacrificing the well being of the universe for Peter. Peter is going to try to destroy the alternate universe and Walter has to stop him!

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  3. M says

    Also, I don’t think it was a coincidence that Fauxlivia asked Peter if he would destroy one universe to save the other.
    They must have rigged the machine to destroy our universe instead by removing that part.

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  4. Pierce says

    Peter as an assassin is freakin hot! I figured out he was the killer when he placed his hand in thanks on doctor Falcon’s shoulder. However, my mouth still dropped when he came of of the shadows to kill that shapeshifter in the alley.

    Man, just when Olivia starts to come around he goes all Darth Mall on us. Cautionary tale for Walter and his quest to get smarter.

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    • Fringie6989 says

      Lol I agree…if I was going to be assassinated, Peter would definitely be the last thing I would want to see! WOW what an intense episode!!! I am completely speechless right now!

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    • number six says

      “Peter as an assassin is freakin hot!”

      So, so much! I want more of that, but I’m also scared for Walter, so I don’t want more of that. Ack! I’m conflicted.

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  5. says

    My mind = blown.
    What a fantastic episode. Darth Peter, Olivia coming around, the machine, return of Nina….. this was a great one!
    I don’t know if I like Darth Peter, but this is really good storytelling. Can’t wait for next week.
    Also, I need to mention that I love how the writers are realistically portraying Olivia and Peter’s relationship. They are openly talking about it like adults. Great stuff.

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    • says

      “Darth Peter”… nice one.
      And “Fauxlivia” — woo hoo! My favorite name for Altivia…hope it sticks.

      I was so completely exhausted last night I fell asleep. I’ve never done that during Fringe. Ever. I’m going to re-watch later today, but from what I did see, it was a really good epi. I gave it an 8.

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  6. lizw65 says

    “Also, I need to mention that I love how the writers are realistically portraying Olivia and Peter’s relationship. They are openly talking about it like adults.”

    Yep, there’s a nice little interview with J. Jackson in TV guide where he makes a point of saying the fallout between them is treated in a very mature, adult way. It’s just one of the things I love about Fringe–in most other shows, we’d have shouting matches, objects thrown…instead, they’re going for subtlety. Love it!

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  7. Anon says

    I have been following this blog for quite some time. It was a great episode. That, said, I think I’m not the only one who is tired of questions and would like some answers. But I guess that is part of what constitutes a great series. I think that one of the most important parts of tonight’s installment was the sea horse glyph at the beginning on Peter’s bag.

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  8. KLA says

    Oh My gosh!!!!!!!! Peter is totally possessed. The look on Walter’s face . . . Pricesless– he knows crazy when he sees it. Dammit- Walter even looks a bit scared. Good night.

    Do you think he is doing this for Olivia????

    POOR GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  9. zakray says

    My mind is blown!! I’m not sure what to think. In the observations Roco mentioned while on the roof after Peter was shot he was to the left of the screen… Olivia checked on him, looked at the Observer looked back at Peter and the scene was reversed Peter was to the right did we get a Peter from a third universe implanted in ours or did Olivia (Alice) step through the looking glass. In an interview the actress that plays Astrid said if we blinked we’d miss it. Was that the moment she was referring to?
    I think I seriously need some sleep and time to absorb all this!

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    • real1 says

      Well , the observer proved that they can bring someone from death , if they are capable to change souls … then that’s mean they did take the real soul of Peter and install this jerk instead .

      Am not happy with this episode , also in this case .. Olivia will not see the real soul of Peter .. same with Peter ,

      huh ! Bolivia started to get feeling for Peter ……. I thought that our Olivia is loyal …. and Boilivia is no any where from loyalty .

      no am not happy .

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      • Betelgeuse says

        No souls were exchanged. He was genuinely happy when Olivia apologized. Although it’s not out of Fringe’s depth to explore the questions of souls and their implications.

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    • Flyfisherwiz says

      I wonder if OLIVE is part of the key, also, for the Violet Sedan Chair album? Violet Sedan Chair = OLIVE can read this … Olivia used OLIVE to decode the list of shapeshifters … H-mmmm….

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  10. Sid says

    Great episode. Totally didn’t see Peter as the mercury killer. I’m also wondering about the title – Reciprocity – is it about payback? payback as in getting to the shapeshifters before they get to us? I was wondering about last week’s episode when The Observer “shot” Peter and what that actually meant.

    Peter is on a rampage to get answers but at what cost?

    I found Walter a little annoying in this episode as well. I just wanted him to shut up.

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    • Page 48 says

      “I found Walter a little annoying in this episode as well. I just wanted him to shut up.”

      I find Walter a little annoying in EVERY episode.

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    • number six says

      “I’m also wondering about the title – Reciprocity – is it about payback?”

      I think it’s about the give and take between Peter and the Weapon. The Weapon came to life in Peter’s presence, while Peter got weaponized. I wonder if the effects it had on him are long-lasting or if they’ll wear off, like the effects of Walter’s monkey serum.

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  11. runpaceyrun says

    Oh My God is a term often overused but in this case……it fits perfectly! I sat on my couch and couldnt speak for 40 minutes after Reciprocity finished. What have i just witnessed? I am in total shock!
    I was waiting for the next relationship wedge to come between Olivia & Peter…and Walter & Peter……BUT i never expected the wedge to be Peter himself (and here i was afraid that it would be Alt-Liv).
    I am afraid for Walter.
    I am fearful for Peter…..and fearful of Peter.
    I am however very glad that Olivia knows everything……cos i dont think Peter really cares about that anymore.
    I am worried that Walter may decend a little further into madness now that he has to carry another secret…..a secret about his son. A secret that only he and Peter know. It will make him even more concerned about becoming Walternates equal. Walter’s burdens continue to mount up…..
    1. he has witnessed his son becoming ‘pro-active’ (as Peter put it)
    2. he is trying to enhance his brain power to become Walternates equal
    3. he is trying to cope with the unintentional consequences of saving Peter as a boy,
    4. he’s also trying to solve cases for the Fringe team, and
    5. he’s trying to figure out just exactly what the vacuum device does / means.
    If i were him i’d just walk straight back into St Claires and ask them for a private padded room for one!
    I cried for 10 minutes after this episode finished.
    I applaud the writers, directors and producers of Fringe…i bow before them. They are truely masters of the tv universe!!!!

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    • runpaceyrun says

      In my opinion this puts an end to the speculation about the Observers comment of ‘it must be difficult being a father.’ It has to be directed at Walter. Look at what he has to deal with now.
      After this shock….i could not cope with an alt-uni-baby. You can book me a room at St Claires..right next to Walters!

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    • William Bishop says

      You’re right about Walter descending into madness, I saw in a article that further in the season we’re going to see Walter losing his sanity (again) and despite everything I feel sorry for him, not caring about what will happen to him just to protect his son, but I’m also feeling sorry for Peter because it seems that he created another personality which he can’t control it.

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      • KLA says

        Runpaceyrun–you could not said what you said any better. I am happy to head to St. Claire’s as well. This is too Much!!!!!

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    • Anne from France says

      Oh Gosh, so agree with all of what you’ve said! Just finished watching the episode (that was a real torture waiting for the downloading!) and I’m completely stuck on my chair.
      I have to say I was a bit (just a little little bit ;) ) disapointed by last week episode ’cause I found it a bit slow, but this week, wow, this ep was absolutely amazing!! I just applauded so many times during the episode, and stayed gaping wondering how those writers can be so good.
      I just can’t wait to see the next episodes, and I really hope this dark Peter thing, and above all the fact that Peter’s gonna keep this huge secret from Olivia, won’t compromise the reconstruction of O&P relationship.
      This show is so good, give us 10 seasons Fox!!

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    • number six says

      “I am worried that Walter may decend a little further into madness now that he has to carry another secret…..a secret about his son.”

      My poor Walter! Do you think he’ll keep the secret? Does anyone hope, he learned the lesson about keeping that kind of secret? No, right? Otherwise, there wouldn’t be much drama and they need it, since Olivia is thinking more clearly and seeing Peter’s side. *sigh*

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  12. Fringie6989 says

    Once again, Walter broke my heart in this episode. Peter Peter Peter…don’t know what you make of that situation yet…I loved the Peter Olivia moments but since they might not be legitimate on Peters end, I’m not going to put too much hope in them yet. I hope this change in Peter isn’t permanent…I don’t want to lose my faith in Peter and I’m not sure how much more Olivia could take before she goes off the deep end too…another great episode though!!

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    • Fringie6989 says

      I was so ready to cheer Peter on when he explained why he was killing the shapeshifters…but then Walter freaked out, causing me to freak out…Plus Olivia knew that something was wrong with Peter. I don’t want to wait another week!!

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  13. FinChase says

    Wow. Roco’s review should be interesting to read. He ripped Walter a new one for stabbing a shapeshifter who could legitimately be called a threat. He tore into AltLivia for the vacuum cleaner remark. What will he have to say about Peter???

    An interesting episode. I’m not sure I buy Peter as suddenly turning into a vigilante/assassin. I did think about the drug AltLiv made him inject himself with, and wondered if she/Walternate could be triggering and controlling Peter that way. But when he spoke to Walter, he sounded lucid and in control of his own mind–just very cold and brutal. Maybe Walter called it right when he said the machine had weaponized him.

    I’ll be interested to see if they really go somewhere with this, or if this is another of thos “plot device” moments.

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    • Robert says

      I don´t think Peter is experiencing any after-effect of this drug, it would be a far fetch to assume so. Also, Walter is usually right with his predictions, so I will go with the explanation that it´s the machine´s fault.

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      • bdp says

        yea I’m siding with Walter’s prediction too. I mean Peter has always been a man with a shady past and someone who wants answers. We saw that even in the pilot episode when he was interrogating the guy that blew up John Scott. But he’s never gone so far as to do what he did in this episode in order to get answers (not that we’ve seen anyways). I think with the shady past Peter already has the machine is bringing some of that out and then intensifying it. Like Walter said the Peter we’re seeing right now is not the real Peter.

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        • FinChase says

          ” Like Walter said the Peter we’re seeing right now is not the real Peter.”

          OR we could finally be seeing the real Peter.

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        • says

          Peter is a man with a criminal past. He was terrified of what might be in Olivia’s FBI file in the pilot. He had mobsters after him. He was hiding in Iraq. He was not crippled by fear either, in Iraq or in his encounters with the men from his past. He knows how to shoot a gun very well. e never hesitates to use force in situations that require it. He shot the hostage shapeshifter in the head in “Entrada,” on a hunch. While the machine may have “weaponized” him, I don’t think the new direction is as much of a break from his character as others seem to.

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          • mlj102 says

            “I don’t think the new direction is as much of a break from his character as others seem to.”

            You make valid points about Peter’s criminal past not being too far off from what we saw in this episode, but I’m not sure I can agree with the overall point.

            For one, we don’t know what kind of criminal he was. Yes, he’s a man who’s not afraid to use force when necessary, but I get the impression his crimes were more passive than aggressive. He worked in shady deals with mobs. He was a con man who falsified his credentials for his own purposes. And while that’s all not good, it’s not actively hurtful, either.

            The Peter we saw in this episode was dark with little disregard for anyone or anything outside of his own interests. And that is not the same Peter we’ve seen over the last 2 1/2 years. You can’t expect that Peter just automatically changed because Olivia tricked him into returning to the US. So the Peter we’ve seen is in many ways who he really is. And that Peter is someone who wants to help others and he’s committed to working for the better cause. He wants to take care of people. I mean, we’re talking about the same man who, only a few episodes ago, argued in defense of the other side and claimed that “I got to believe there’s another way. And whatever my part in all of this is… I got to believe there’s another way. There’s always hope, right?”

            Yes, Peter may be capable of a great deal of evil, but there’s a difference between what a person is capable of, and what they actually do. And what we saw in this episode was a very heartless Peter who was lying, killing without any hesitation or regret, and going behind the backs of the people he’s supposed to be working with. You can’t tell me that’s not a drastic shift in his character. And I’m supposed to just accept that all that is because of the machine having a negative influence on his character? That kind of a change needs to be developed in order to be believable, no matter what the reasoning behind it. And this wasn’t. It is shallow, it doesn’t make sense, it’s unpredictable, and it feels out of place.

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            • Robert says

              Well, we always knew that Peter has some skeletons in his closet. It would not surprise me if he was not only a con man but even a hit man for some time in his dark past. At least that´s what I suspected during the first season, but suddenly they dropped all references to his past and to the mob, and Peter became Mr Nice Guy.

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              • says

                I completely agree with mlj102. This is extremely out of character for Peter. He is lying to everyone which, as we were just reminded of a couple of episodes back, is something that Peter doesn’t usually tolerate. And, as Walter pointed out, he knows it’s wrong because he’s hiding what he’s doing. And he’s trying to justify that it’s okay because shapeshifters are machines so “I’m not doing anything wrong.” But he has seen firsthand that shapeshifters do develop feelings of some kind. Not only that, but he lied to Olivia about not wanting her to see him as a fool when she looks at Fauxlivia’s files. He already saw all of her files in order to find out who the shapeshifters were so he knew what was in there and how he would be portrayed.

                I am of the firm belief that something has changed him. I think it is either the machine itself or it has to do with being shot by the observer in the last episode. There was absolutely no need to shoot Peter in that episode other than to do something to him.

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                • real1 says

                  I agree , when the observer did shoot Peter at “the arrival” Peter was telling Olivia that he don’t want to stay .. but after the shoot he changed his mind , in “the firefly” and with the mirror vision which we saw with Olivia .. after the observer shot peter .. Peter now is change .

                  it will make sense ….. but WHY ?

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                  • says

                    Maybe Peter “flipped” at that moment, but a mirror version of something ominous, aka Dark Peter. Peter has been asleep for too many years. Work to be done, pronto.

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                    • real1 says

                      Pronto ,;)

                      you mean .. Peter’s original is bad ? dark ? killer ? not thinking about the others ? selfish maybe ?

                      No I don’t buy it .

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                • Lola says

                  @ But he has seen firsthand that shapeshifters do develop feelings of some kind

                  So did the people the shapeshifters had killed, remember Charlie?

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            • Roneo says

              “And I’m supposed to just accept that all that is because of the machine having a negative influence on his character? That kind of a change needs to be developed in order to be believable, no matter what the reasoning behind it.”

              I absolutely agree with you. This sentence and all the above.
              Let’s see what happens in future plots.

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  14. KLA says

    I am thinking that the way Peter is acting now had a lot to do with September giving him the extra jolt from the gas gun. I mean the Observers have to know the shapsshifters are there and “activated” Peter to rat them out. Remember — we do not have 100 percent confirmation of their goodness. They might just be shady and scandalous for all we know.

    i guess that i am grasping at straws to figure out how Peter went so rogue. I am having palpitations!!!!!!!!!!!

    At least we know that Bolivia deeply cares about him.

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  15. 7063keisha says

    WOW!!!!! just absolutely shocked when peter stepped out of the alley, but it was weird cuz before that happened when the doctor was giving peter tests and walter told peter that someone’s killing shapeshifters and the doctor looked back i was just thinking “i bet it’s the doctor who the bad guy, then i thought what if it was someone else like peter, olivia, broyles, astrid, or nina”, but i knew that couldn’t possibly happen but as soon as i saw peter kill the shapeshifter i just couldn’t beleive it my mouth just dropped and i was just shocked and speechless.
    but man that was just a giant twist that none of us saw coming and i hope that peter doesn’t stay on the dark side and comes back to the good side.
    also surprised that walter found peter before olivia did and how he didn’t tell olivia about what peter did.
    im glad olivia is dealing with the situation between her and peter pretty well

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  16. Aimee says

    I give this one a 10. I haven’t felt so much in a Fringe episode. Plus, it about time we saw the dark side hiding in Peter all along. So much… just jumped out. He is so good at putting on a smile and lying right to Olivia. And the face he gave Walter at the end when Olivia was in their home? Goodness, if looks could kill!

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  17. cortexifan says

    My favorite line was Brandon asking if he can swallow and Walter on the phone with Nina, saying that he just thought of her in his naughty way.
    Can’t wait for Saturday night and next week.

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    • vlada_vvv says

      I absolutely agree with you)) My favorite lines are exactly the same…
      I loved the moment when Walter says to Nina that he’s just thought of her and simultaneously he’s licking whipped cream from his finger… Bad Walter, very bad)))))))

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  18. ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

    I loved how Olivia mirrored Bolivia’s words at the end of Entrada…

    Just sitting in here in shock and awe…..Yeah my mind is blown. Again.

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  19. Dylan says

    Loved the episode.

    Although I must say that I was a little disappointed with the reveal of Peter being the one killing the shape-shifters. It was a little too obvious.

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    • runpaceyrun says

      i will say …..that i never saw that coming at all. I am still in shock! My head hurts from my jaw hitting the ground and my brain was deprived of oxygen as i forgot to breathe for quite some time. Gosh the shock even reduced me to tears.

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      • Anne from France says

        runpaceyrun, I would so love to watch Fringe with you, it looks like we have the same kind of reactions!!

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        • runpaceyrun says

          It is a shame we live on opposite sides of the world! I would love watching Fringe with someone…..especially someone who is addicted to this show as much as me!

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          • Anne from France says

            same here! I try desperately to convert my friends and family but no one is as much addicted as I am (and I think it’s a shame lol). But I’m sure when I’ll be in Vancouver, I’ll find some fans to watch with, at least I hope so!

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  20. kidentropia says

    brilliant, absolutely brilliant. what an ominous, heartwrenching episode. it felt like a penultimate episode. if they told me fringe was gonna end next week, i´d totally believe it, considering the tension in this episode. btw, did you see the glyph? it reads alter. walter/walternate/alter (i know it refers to peter, but still, i don´t think it´s a coincidende). it´s just mindblowing how the father-son subject just keeps getting more and more rich and complex.

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  21. mlj102 says

    I suppose I’m going to be in the minority with this one, but I really didn’t care for this episode at all. It just didn’t sit well with me. It felt shallow and choppy, not to mention rather slow. I didn’t feel invested in the events of the episode and the reveals had little impact on me.

    I hated the development of “dark Peter” and it doesn’t make sense to me. It’s inconsistent, over the top, and a bit far fetched to think that somehow the machine has turned Peter into some sporadic maniac. The shift was too sudden. There was nothing to suggest that happening. Watching Peter kill the shapeshifter with such obvious loathing and disgust really bothered me. It was eerily similar to watching alternate Olivia shoot poor deaf man in The Box. And that’s not a good thing. It felt out of place and underdeveloped. I didn’t buy the explanation for this sudden shift. It didn’t feel like they built up to it enough. Just suddenly Peter is a merciless character all because of some exchange between him and the machine? How does a machine instantly turn a good-hearted guy into a lying, evil killer? I know he was an independent criminal in the past, but we’ve never seen him like that before and there didn’t seem to be enough reason to bring that out of him now. They didn’t build up to that development well enough for me to accept it.

    Honestly, I consider this episode to be the worst of the season. Sure, it had its bright spots, but for the most part I felt it lacked in all the areas that really matter. Instead we had an unwelcome development with Peter, Walter was particularly annoying, there was absolutely nothing of substance behind Nina’s presence in the episode, there were plot holes, and for a mythology episode, it held very few answers. Depending on how things develop in the future, it could become an episode I appreciate more in retrospect, but as things stand right now, I just don’t like it.

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    • Karo says

      I agree, it wasn’t my favorite either. But i think they were setting up some stuff for futur episodes, and it will probably have more meaning by the end of the season.

      Well i hope.

      Because killing shapeshifters on his own like that, without telling anybody, is pretty much out of character for Peter. And why keep it from Olivia? He told Walter he’s tired of reacting, he could have easily told her the same thing. I don’t get it. I don’t get his motivations. It very much came from left field. Why not just say “i cracked Fauxlivia files, i know where the shapeshifters are, lets bring em into custody”? What, he doesn’t trust anyone now?

      And investigating a crime scene that was his own doing with the team? Watching Olivia desperately wanting to find answers, questionning herself, her job, because she feels they’re always too late? How can he feel right about that? No, just no.

      Plus, the fact that we now know that he knew about the diary content all along somehow weakens a lot of his interactions with Olivia and the others in the episode. Not wanting Olivia to read it so she won’t think he’s a fool? A lie. He didn’t want her to find the code. Snapping at Nina over finding the mole? Another lie. Also, he’s pretty much faking it when he gets uncomfortable when realizing parts of the files are about him. He already knows. And that last line by Olivia at the door would have had so much more meaning if he was still in the dark about what Fauxlivia wrote. Combine with his stare at Walter, that whole moment felt very meh.

      I’m used to have my characters work as a team, not going behind each other back like that. An certainly not over something as simple as getting shapeshifterss out of the way. Too bad, this was an episode where Peter finally gets a lot more to do then usual and it turns out this way.

      I have faith for the futur, but that was just plain wrong on all fronts.

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      • lena says

        i have this angsty feeling that peter has changed even more than we realised so far. as he read fauxlivia’s files he knows that she fell for him. what if he did do?
        after re-watching the episode I am really disappointed about how they wrote the olivia/peter fallout and peter’s development. it would’ve been great if peter would have been sincere but now it’s just….argh. hope they will make up for it in the VERY near future.

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        • lizw65 says

          I don’t believe it came out of left field–I think it started in The Firefly when Peter drank the milk intended to make Walter more like Walternate. I think it did something to his brain chemistry, and it changed him. Who knows,this could be what the Observers intended all along–to turn Peter into a weapon who will destroy one of the worlds instead of trying to save both of them, as he’d hoped to do earlier.

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      • Page 48 says

        “He told Walter he’s tired of reacting”

        Didn’t he tell Broyles more or less the same thing at the beginning of S2, when he suddenly became pack leader and took the team on standalone molebaby missions?

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        • says

          Peter now wants to exert a reciprocal, a counter force by retaliating. He is responding to the negative actions of the shapeshifters with his own negative actions. Peter has turned into one lean, mean, killing machine. And Walter definitely has cause to be worried.

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    • ajewell says

      To be honest, I LOVED Peter’s role in this episode. For awhile now, I’ve been feeling some disconnect with Fringe and some of the choices they’ve made this season (the faux Olivia/Peter relationship, for one); but mostly, in their portrayal of Peter. In the first season in particular, he seemed much more hard-edged, bad-ass, and well, useful. A quality that really seemed to get watered down in the second season, and in most of the third. Maybe it’s sick of me, but I miss the guy who wasn’t afraid to “interrogate” a suspect by slamming a coffee cup down on his hands, lol. At least now he’s taking some initiative, getting back to his roots, and not reacting to things – just like he said. He can be sweet and sensitive, and still not be a doormat. I mean, this is a war.

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      • augusta says

        Thank you mlj02 for writing this. I thought maybe some sleep would bring some perspective for me, but I have to agree with y’all — I really didn’t like this episode. It seemed to break up the my favourite fringe team even more, and that is really disappointing. And like you were saying Karo and lena — watching Peter lie throughout the whole episode (in retrospect) is really disturbing, and it throws everything that happened between him and Olivia in this episode into question. Who really ends up the fool here? To me it seems like he’s playing her for the fool, and when you add that to the fact that she is still trying to get over what happened between him and Fauxlivia, it’s just too much for me. When I think about her trying to make him feel better about the whole thing, and recognizing what he went through, and even going so far as suggesting that there isn’t much difference between her and Fauxlivia (her discussion with Astrid)… I’m disheartened by the situation that Olivia is in at this point. She’s my girl, and I hate that she seems to be coming in second in every respect these days. She is definitely second to the machine at this point (since peter feels no ways about lying to her about his actions, while pretending that everything is fine), she is second in her work, because her own teammate is running circles around her now, on top of being behind all the time when working against the other side, and as I said above, she seems to be on the verge of saying that she is second in being Olivia — how on earth can she say that its cool that he couldn’t tell them apart?
        That said, I did appreciate Peter’s newfound resolve and action figure scenes. The idea that Peter has been weaponized is an interesting one and looks like it will make the story even more intriguing. Definitely better than a pregnancy story…
        I’m trying desperately to have some faith in the writers. Karo — I hope that you are right, that it will make sense later on… in the meantime, I’m grateful to read the comments section — definitely makes fringe easier to bear sometimes…

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    • Anne from France says

      I rated this episode 10, so I don’t really agree with you all. For me, it was a great episode. I was on the verge of a heart attack every 5 minutes.
      BUT, that being said, I read all of your comments and I can understand your reactions, and I have to say that it made me think and maybe, with some retrospect, I would rate it 8 or 9, coz you have some forceful arguments. But definitely not the worst episode ever.
      And I really think we have to trust the writers, they’re surely gonna make a great thing of this storyline about Peter.

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    • Page 48 says

      “If You Meet The ShapeShifter On The Road, Kill Him!”

      If You Meet Peter On the Road, RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

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  22. Betelgeuse says

    If the question posed by audiences in the future is either “Who can keep Peter human?” or “Will Peter’s universe and the potential new person waiting for him in that universe (spoiler readers, you know of what I speak) or our universe, and specifically Olivia, compel Peter’s last feelings of humanity?”, then Fringe will have managed to redeem that initially questionable storyline (again, spoiler readers) while keeping it Fringe with this new exploration of souls, identity, and ultimately, humanity.

    If it’s Olivia, it’d be a nice call back to “What Lies Below.”

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  23. Epoh says

    So did Peter not want Olivia to read the files because he was worried that she might be hurt, or that she’d crack the code?

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    • lena says

      i definitely want it to be the first option but I’m guessing it is the second…
      he had this suspicious look all the time he watched her (especially in the last scene). damnit!

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      • RONEO says

        Yes, he has read the files and knows that anything so bad about him were in them. But I feel that he really cares and enjoys Olivia’s apologising. His smile seems sincere to me. And he thanks her. Twice. That´s my hope.

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    • real1 says

      he lies , he did read and know what was in the files , if he cracked the files he will read what Bolivia wrote , he just don’t want Olivia to find his Pevojenda !!!!!!!!!!!!!

      am not happy at all … not happy , I hope Olivia will see pass the facts .

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      • lena says

        if peter won’t come up with a VERY good and convincing explanation (and i mean not the “i thought she was you” kind) she just won’t see past that. and that would be totally understandable. unfortunately.

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    • bdp says

      While I do think that Peter obviously didn’t want Olivia cracking the code I don’t necessarily think everything he said in the episode was a lie. It’s obvious he’s had feeling for Olivia for quite some time now. I think he was sincere in the scenes they had together (although not about keeping the killing all the shapeshifters thing a secret). Yea Peter is definitely being changed somehow but I’m still pretty certain that his feelings for Olivia are extremely important to him and he’s not just bs-ing her.

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    • number six says

      Does it have to be one or the other? Olivia is the one, who can tell if he’s lying and she believed him. That doesn’t mean he didn’t have other motives.

      I’m enjoying DarkPeter way too much. That said, I hope he remembers, who he really is eventually.

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  24. jonnE says

    I hated the episode. To me, this will be just like the unearthed episode of season 2: filler material for the sake of sludging up the story (with equally bad acting). The acting in this episode was really vapid and not believable. The episodes timeline with regards to the rest of the story was blazingly fast and not believable.
    I’m a rabid fringe follwer, but i think they did the show a disservice by putting this episode in this place if they want to attract new viewers.
    Also…did I miss something: how did massive dynamic build that machine (so quickly)? Didn’t walternate have most of the parts?
    My thoughts:
    Peter drank the milk in the previous episode that he is now thinking like walternate.
    Remember it was atlivias job to dispose of the other shapeshifters.

    Was the “it’s difficult to be a father” line by september supposed to reflect on the fact that peter essentially has 2 fathers, and peter must choose by his own free will which one he wants to emulate?

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      • jophan says

        The show seems to be following the calendar, so it’s been four months since Peter came back from over there. A couple of weeks later, they started looking for the parts. It’s reasonable to believe the device could be built in that time.

        I expect that the parts “over here” are duplicates of those “over there”. Some of the parts Walternate needed were unobtainable, but we haven’t heard anything of the sort here. As far as we know, only the one piece Fauxlivia stole is missing.

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      • M says

        Completely agree. Notice Walter decided to hide the truth from everyone else as well when he found out Peter was the killer. In a sense, he already failed his test.

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    • says

      Both sides have an almost complete machine. Walternate has only one of the parts of the blue universe’s machine. Everything else we have a copy of.

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  25. jonnE says

    Added thoughts:
    Shapeshifters have been shown over time to acquire the ability to have human emotion (ray and the shapeshifter on the operating table saying it was sorry). Perhaps that is why MilkPeter (thinking as Walternate) and Atlivia were killing them off: in an effort to negate any alliances with the over here world and thus squelching any leaking of alternate universe plans to “us”.

    When is season 1 going to come into play? If you watched the bonus features from season 2, they alluded to many things coming back from season 1 (especially the pilot episode).

    My 2 burning questions:

    Why has the pattern been thrown by the wayside??
    Who are the north woods group as referenced in season 1?

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    • fringeobsessed says

      jonnE,
      I’m so glad you asked about the Northwoods Group.
      We heard the South American guy mention it to our Liv before John Scott’s hallucination made him cut his throat in “The Dreamscape.”

      And we see Broyles reporting to a very uppity and mysterious Boston-based group which includes Nina Sharp in the very first minutes of 1.02, “The Same Old Story.” So just WHO is this group? Are they related in any way to the ZFT? And are they funded by William Bell? I hope we get the answers soon!

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    • says

      I don’t think the pattern’s been thrown by the wayside. We had a bunch of scientifically experimental terrorist groups in Season 1. Many were foiled by Fringe Division. ZFT was found to be misguided disciples of William Bell’s manuscript, and theywere preparing to go to the other side with Jones. This means they knew almost as much as William and Walter about the other universe.

      What Broyles and Nina refer to as The Pattern was really a vague umbrella thrown over everything related to “Fringe Events.” Not to mention that certainly one or both knew WAY more than they were telling Olivia.

      I do think it would be nice to see some of those bio terror groups again, if they’re still out there, especially ZFT, as they would have their own agenda, to destroy the other side. It might be exactly the right time in the story to bring them back. Is Loeb still alive?

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      • jonnE says

        That gives me a reason to buy fringe season 1 on blu ray…
        I believe m. loeb is alive. If memory serves me, he was last seen in an interrogation room telling the fringe team that they were not taking the whole picture into account, and had no idea what they had done…something to that effect.
        in keeping with m. loeb…he extracted blood/lymphocytes from olivia and she stole some of them back. ..i wonder what the original purpose of that was..and if she really stole all of them

        This really is nitpicking and i’m going to sound like a huge ahole for bringing this up, but after season 1, fringe has gotten very laggard with regards to being medically correct:
        Most recent example: he’s having an epileptic seizure…so we’ll give him an ANTICOAGULANT. Damn. I hope any future doctors aren’t inspired by dr. bishop.
        Season one at least attempted to be somewhat correct in their medical observations and treatments.
        Wiki

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  26. Frobz says

    Well I enjoyed it, even if I think Peter’s sudden change was way too sudden and unexpected.

    Been wondering about it. Could “The Other Side” have something to do with it? Remember in “Over There” we had the lingering shot of Peter hooked into medical machinery giving him a red coloured serum we all thought was cortexifan. Could this serum be the reason why Peter and the Machine are connected?

    And remember Altlivia’s mission…she was told to “work” on both Peter and Walter. Could that have involved some kind of mental conditioning for both? We still really don’t know what her mission really was.

    I’m sure this episode will be one that will make a lot more sense once we’ve seen the rest of the season.

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  27. loveit says

    I kinda like the twisty-ness of this episode. My hubby said as soon as Peter was revealed that it wasn’t “our” Peter….not sure from whence he came but he thinks it’s a different version somehow. The seahorse on Peter’s bag at the beginning might have been a clue – the seahorse represents ROBERT Bishop as noted in the Arrival.

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    • loveit says

      Also…Peter’s life is pretty messed up right now (since the last few eps last season) – maybe he’s just a little (very) angry and taking it out on shapeshifters? I actually think that might be more plausible, a psychotic break due to all this stress…….

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    • loveit says

      OR, that hint in the last episode (Firefly) was the flipping of Peter in the scene on the roof, maybe that is the literal blink-if-you-miss-it clue. Somehow we now have the RECIPROCAL of the original Peter, an upside down version of him. It makes more sense if this is the clue as opposed to the dad comment which was far more obvious. And that screenshot Roco posted with the Police album cover blocking Peter, the name of the album is “Ghost in the Machine”…maybe Peter is already dead or he is now only a ghost of himself? Sorry about all the comments/ideas I just can’t stop thinking about it.

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      • brokor says

        The ”Ghost in the machine” reference had eluded me. i think you are right. producers wanted to foreshadow the change in peter’s soul which took place when he encountered the machine.

        however ,i also am fascinated with people saying that the milk changed him more into walternate as walter intended to. this doesnt make a lot of sense since walter wanted to heal his brain not think like walternate (maybe the latter is a natural consequence of the former, but this doesnt mean that everyone who drunk the milk would think like walternate, propably only walter)
        maybe peter is just tired of being jerked around by his biological father, fauxlivia, the fbi, walter to some extend and he wants to act on his own accord for once. i know i would.(but why wont an olivia look-alike use me!!! i promise i wont be mad )

        on a lighter note:
        i have been using the name Fauxlivia since early december (even used it on a comment here 2 weeks ago :D). i love it that the showrunners are now using the same name for her ^^^great minds think alike :P

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        • brokor says

          A final thought about peter:

          maybe reading fauxlivia’s comments about himself he didnt see them as “loving thought” but possibly as notes that would help her/walternate use him again. so in order to avoid being used he decided to change, become unpredictable. no more nice guy, gentle, easy to love Peter.
          He is to misbehave (firefly reference for the fans :D)
          i think it is as simple as that after all. no magical serum turning him into walternate, no machine making a ghost out of him. just one desperate guy wanting to get rid of the burden that this rotten and toxic relationship left with him. most of us have experienced a phase like that. i would hung out in suspicious bars and do some drugs, maybe get in a few fights. he would go on a shapeshifter killing spree.

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          • Kira says

            I agree with you.

            For me it seems more a way to send a message to the other side.
            May be that the machine changed him; but his resolution is not passively accept these changes.

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  28. Isa says

    OMG! Great episode, I think it is one of the best from the fantastic season 3.

    I wasn’t surprised Peter was the killer and I can totally buy Peter wanting to do that after seeing he has triggered the machine. He laways wanted to be proactive. It was dark and he knew it was too much, but at the same time, it was something he could that instead of wanting for something to happen. The thing that botters me is that he didn’t tell Olivia.

    Peter-Olivia, btw, was great, and I loved that she somehow understood him, understood his position. And so, Fauxlivia really had feeling for Peter… hmmm…

    I’m positive now that is Olivia the one who’s gonna bring Peter back from this “darkness” saving him in the future, because I don’t think Walter can do that.

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    • real1 says

      One thing …. if the machine did change him …. from where he got Bolivia’s files ? and he was knowing the cods and the shapeshifters which mean he did read what Bolivia did say about him .. which mean he was playing in Olivia … which mean this one is not the real Peter !!!!!!!

      Please Walter say something to Olivia .. she can read that !

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    • real1 says

      One thing …. if the machine did change him …. from where he got Bolivia’s files ? and he was knowing the cods and the shapeshifters , which mean he did read what Bolivia did say about him .. which mean he was playing on Olivia … which mean this one is not the real Peter !!!!!!!

      Please Walter say something to Olivia .. she can read that !

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        • real1 says

          Or maybe Walternate did change the shapshifters and found something else more powering and without killing the people to take their look … and the first .. is what is look like his son ??????? so the order was to kill off all the shapshifters and prepare for the new plan which Bolivia didn’t finish it ?

          I still have feeling that what was in Bolivia’s diary is fake .

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          • Isa says

            btw, I think someone is helping him, because he couldn’t have killed Dr. Falcon. Peter was at Massive Dynamic the whole time.

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    • bdp says

      I agree with your last comment too. Right when the episode finished I got the feeling that this is a big set up for Peter continuing to slip into his “darkness” and it’s eventually going to come down to Olivia to pull him out of it. Not to mention it fits right in line with their resolving/repairing their relationship. Peter’s going to need that relationship if he’s going to get out of the machine’s grasp.

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  29. Robert says

    Nice episode. I would have expected more revelations about the machine (especially after watching the trailer), but instead we get some serious character development, which is also fine.

    Watching Peter act like a heartless killer was shocking, but Walter´s explanation that the weapon weaponized Peter sounds plausible enough. Those who claim that Peter is acting out-of-character should also keep in mind, that we don´t really know what his real character is like, deep inside. He stated himself in the last episode that it was his life philosophy to be on his own, which certainly expains that he goes rogue now. The “new” Peter reminds me of Peter´s state of mind in the first episodes of the first season, as well as of the time when Peter found out that he was not from our world and decided to stay in the other world. Also, everyone would go “Oooh, poor Olivia” all the time, but what about Peter? His hate for the shapeshifters reminds us that he is a human being, too, with feelings on his own (which he usually doesn´t show). Well, so much for Dark Peter.

    Walter: he could not shine too well in the current episode; I had the feeling that his script lacked a bit spirit. Accidentally sniffing ape dna was a stupid joke. Being pushed around by the doctor who examines Peter certainly does not feel like Walter is the owner of Massive Dynamics. I would have expected more from him than telling the staff “I´m your boss now” and then simply standing around – although this reflects his helplessness in general life, it does not suit him when it comes to science stuff, where he usually is brilliant. But the plot twist from Walter being afraid for Peter into Walter becoming afraid of Peter was a good one, and with perfect timing.

    What I liked most about the episode is the part where Olivia reads Fauxlivia´s diary. Because she begins to realize that Fauxlivia is not a simple antagonist who is to be hated. We get reminded that Fauxlivia is no evil twin, but rather the other side of the same coin – intellectually as well as emotionally. Embracing her “other self” is an interesting development, because it makes it even harder to think in a black/white scheme of villain/victim.

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    • Pierce says

      Which also ties in to Peter’s assassinating the shapeshifters. They’re capable of human emotion, but in essense, they aren’t human. While a part of you cringes at the thought of Peter methadically hunting down shapeshifters to execute them because of what it says about Peter. On the other hand, there’s the realization that these “things” are designed to do little more than conquer, kill and impersonate humans at their descretion and necessity for this impending war. So, you don’t exactly fall over yourself with sympathy behind their demise.

      Overall, I thought this was a good episode. However, I must admit it was the weakest of the lot so far. It had a few plot holes, and a couple of needless scenes that if tweaked might have been very good.

      The fact that very little was shown (or stated) to bridge the gap between Peter independantly (apparently) breaking the encrytion on the computer Olivia left behind, deciding to hunt down the shapeshifters and his encounter with the machine left the storyline missing a compelling element it needed to be great one. They used Nina to try and shine some light on the fact that Peter may not be as emotionally adjusted to what he’s experienced recently as he puts on, but it really should have come from Peter himself. They also used Walter to explain the reciprocal nature of Peter’s connection to the machine. However, if I remember correctly, it was revealed that Peter was the assassin with enough time left in the story to go back and fill in some of the blanks. When he broke the encryption to the file the other Olivia left behind. His contemplations on his encounter with September to interfacing with that machine and the physical reaction it had on him. Not to mention touching on the emotional baggage he has stacked up on what he’s been through lately. All played a factor, imo, to his current mindset. It deserved to be addressed better than it was in this episode; and since it wasn’t, the episode lacked depth.

      One other thing that initially I felt was a plot hole, but could be explained easily enough was Peter’s conversation with Olivia when he said he didn’t want her to see him like he felt the other Olivia might have felt geninue. As did his relief in receiving Olivia’s apology and understanding of how he’s been feeling about their situation. So, it makes me wonder, perhaps Peter delibertately chose not to confirm whether the other Olivia thought him to be a fool by ignoring what she wrote about him. I can see him doing that…or, it could just be a huge plot hole like I thought at first. Or worse, Peter was fudging the truth with Olivia.

      All in still a pretty good episode.

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      • Pierce says

        One other thing. For the life of me, I can’t make sense of why Dr. Falcon needed to be a shapeshifter? It seemed like a needless entanglement. One that may have worked better had a shapeshifter taken over his body moments before Peter killed him like he did with the woman he chased down in the alley.

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        • Isa says

          I don’t understand how Peter could have killed Dr. Falcon, because Peter was at Massive Dynamic (or so they showed us) while Falcon left work and went home. So, or it’s a massive (hehe) plot hole or Peter is being helped.

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  30. BklynBetty says

    “however ,i also am fascinated with people saying that the milk changed him more into walternate as walter intended to. this doesnt make a lot of sense since walter wanted to heal his brain not think like walternate (maybe the latter is a natural consequence of the former, but this doesnt mean that everyone who drunk the milk would think like walternate, propably only walter)”

    I agree with you – there is nothing inherently “Walternate-ish” about the milk mixture – it was intended to regrow lost connections in Walter’s mind – which presumably would make him the ‘equal’ of Walternate who has his brain in tact (as far as we know) – and therefor, again, presumably make him more like his alternate self. That said, it may have had some kind of effect on Peter that we don’t yet know about.

    Did Peter actually received a message before he left Olivia to kill the shapeshifter in the alley?

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  31. Alt-Lex says

    Wow, what an great episode! So much to say right now… I hope i can give some insigths to my thinking.

    Peter: Most of you say it wasn’t our Peter in this Episode. Ok, he has changed, but i think we doesn’t know him as much as we thougt. Just thinking on the Pilot-Episode. Olivia oick him up in Iraq. We still doesn’t know what he has done there all the time (or did i miss something?). Maybe he has to kill people there, too. So it wasn’t eventually not completly new to him. And Peter still has many other secrets and a lots of friends (like the bookstoreowner, etc. ) to help him…

    Astrid: I found a weird to see that Astrid getting a similar task on this side, like on the other side. She had to evaluate who could be the killer. On the other side she had to evaluate if an quarantine is nessessary or not.

    Olivia: She remind me on Walter. If she’s able to think like Fauxlivia she maybe understand or see the pattern in her notes (Walter wants to think like Walternate). The unsiverses getting more and more connected.

    Walter: A little bit scary to act like an ape *g*

    Broyles: One thing that stood out to me on this episode > did someone notice the near car crash when his cellphone rings?! It remind me on the near car crash from Olivia wich happend when Oliva first crossed over…

    Universe: So many weird things happend, that i cannot say with a 100% safty that the over here ist still only over here. Like the mirrored scene on the rooftop las episode, the fast appear from walter on the crashscene (last ep.), the red apple that dissapear from the kitchentable (at the end last ep.) and much more scenes that imply that maybe unviverses are already mergin. But which ones is the question. On willing to get the same thinking (Walter, Olivia) i would say over here and there but on the mirrored rooftop scene maybe a third universe is already involved… just a feeling.

    Ok enough for my first impressions/thoughts… :)

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    • fedorafadares says

      i totally agree that we might be seeing glimpses of another universe. From time to time these brief inconsistencies happened, but now they’re much more frequent.

      You are right, Boyle’s almost-car crash, last week’s missing apple and the flip-flopped rooftop are too coincidental to be just coincidences. Maybe we’re not seeing the red universe, though. Maybe it’s yet another version of our unniverse.

      I have to say, though, I really like your idea that these events are a sign that the worlds are already MERGING!

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      • Isa says

        The Broyle’s almost car crash caught my attention as well! It reminded me the car crash in the season 1 finale, when Olivia is pulled from over here to over there by Bell.

        This idea of worlds already merging is fascinating. It goes with Olivia seeing her relation with Fauxlivia (they even fall for the same guy), Walter trying to get equal with Walternate and Peter saying the answers are within.

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    • Anne from France says

      I LOVE your thoughts about universes :) And gosh, I really have to watch The Firefly again coz I definitely missed the mirrored scene on the roof and the apple thing.
      I’ve already said that, but I’m really not a good observer. What a shame when you watch a show like Fringe right! lol

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  32. noe says

    I don’t understand why you compare killing human beings to killing shapshifters ????
    I don’t get it peter eliminating shapeshifters is an abvious sign of his humanity !!!!
    angry frustrated….. this is the peter’s break down episode
    I’ve always been waiting for that to happend
    I mean we’ve always been waiting for a peter’s side of view after all he’s been through and he kept his anger for soooooooooo long !!!
    “he was just reactiong”
    he’s such an ambigus , complex character that has been neglected for a long time and that worth some real and personnal interaction !

    we only see what’s in the front (turning to a killer ) !! … but what about thinking a little bit behind all of it
    I wish Olivia will be there to understand/comfort him

    and hope that future episodes will concentrate on that point

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    • Robert says

      I agree that Peter´s killings were some kind of showing his humanity: humiliation and anger leading to drastical acts. But the shapeshifters also are complex beings – sure, they are soldiers, but their long stay on earth-1 lead to powerful emotions, and acutally converts them into human beings. From a moral perspective, Peter does not kill some kind of inhuman robots, but rather enemy soldiers who happen to be inhuman. But on the other hand noone can neglect that they are sentient, and that they have feelings. Complicated situation, I would say.

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  33. Smgdesignz says

    I’m not sure Peter’s actions had anything to do with Walter’s milk serum from The Firefly or even the machine. I think perhaps somehow he was able to view Fauxlivia’s files before everyone else and crack the code with Olive and the reason he went after the shapeshifters is because he is done being a victim. He’s been dealing with so much crap in his life since last spring he’s ready to take ownership of his life again, much in the way Olivia is starting to as well.

    I believe he really cares and loves both Olivia and Walter and is doing what he feels is necessary to save the life he loves. I still can’t understand why he didn’t tell Olivia he was the one killing the shapeshifters, maybe he feels like he’s trying to take care of things and she’s had to deal with so much already. The smile on his face though when Olivia apologized and told him she ‘gets it now’ looked very genuine – kind of like the smile when he realized he was #3 on her speed dial.

    I am very interested in seeing how this storyline unfolds. :)

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  34. says

    It has probably been stated before, but what do you all make of the fact that Peter dresses exactly like Olivia, Nick Lane, and all the other Cortexifan kids, like a soldier, in greys and blacks, and, like them, is a loner who doesn’t form relationships well. Any possibility that he too, was given the drug?

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  35. hal says

    um.. perhaps I was a little too high at the time, but I couldn’t understand Peter’s actions. Why would he not tell anyone he was killing the shapeshifters? Shouldn’t he have handed over their memory chip thingies? And how could he even decode what was on them by himself?

    Definitely need to re-watch this :P

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  36. fringeobsessed says

    A new theory hit me on the head this afternoon and I wanted to share it with my fellow fans:

    WHAT IF September swticed the Peters way back in 1.04 “The Arrival.”?
    We are told that there needs to be some new balance since Walter snatched ‘Red Peter.’ Don’t ask me why but what if the first time September shot Peter with his special gun he replaced him with a new Peter from a third universe(Let’s call him ‘Yellow Peter) and we’ve had Yellow Peter ever since up through ‘Firefly.’ Now as it’s getting closer to Peter using the machine and restoring balance, what if 1 Peter must die? So at the end of ‘Firefly’ September shoots Yellow Peter and makes another replacement-this time September returns ‘Red Peter’, or Walternate’s Peter, if you will. Why? Because that’s the one the Observers want to die if a Peter must die. Why? I don’t know but maybe because he’s an evil Walternate Junior genius?

    My theory would explain a more self-centered Peter in episodes 1.00 thru 1.04, and then a nicer, more caring, more family-oriented Peter in episodes 1.05-3.10.
    Also, if I were right and Faux were pregnant with Yellow Peter’s baby, it may not survive. It would also mean our Liv loves Yellow Peter and not Walternate’s son, Red Peter.

    Yeah, it’s confusing, but what do you think?

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    • Robert says

      Sorry, but I think you are wrong. 1st world Peter is dead, as it was shown in previous episodes. Yes, they only showed the grave – but what do you expect? An autopsy? Marionette flashbacks with a child-Peter? We know that our Peter was “stolen” from the other universe, and there are several episodes to prove this – everything else is a crack theory.

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      • fringeobsessed says

        Robert,
        You misunderstood me. I know Walter’s Peter died at age 7 or 8. I wasn’t talking about him.

        Our Universe=Blue World
        Over There=Red World
        Third Universe=Yellow World

        What if September’s 2 shootings of Peter are lines of demarcation?
        After the first shooting, episode 1.04, September could have switched Alt-Peter for Yellow World Peter. This means the Peter we’ve grown to know and care about isn’t Walternate’s Peter, but a THIRD Peter Bishop!
        After the second shooting, September may have switched them again, replacing Yellow World Peter back with Alt-Peter. It would explain Peter’s very abrupt change in character in 3.12. So where’s OUR Peter then? IN the third universe?
        Why would September do this? If they have to kill off a Peter Bishop to restore balance maybe The Observers want to get rid of Alt-Peter(Walternate’s Peter) due to his evil potential? Just an interesting thought.

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        • Robert says

          Ah, now I get what you meant. I have also been wondering why the story only shows two universes, while we know that there must be a countless number of them out there. Every action or decision should create a couple of new parallel universes, one for each possible outcome. But I guess they focus on only two of them for practical reasons, maybe they think it would be too hard to bond with the characters if there were countless “copies” of them.

          Anyway, there must be some kind of reason why we only have two universes, or rather only two connected universes. As long as we don´t get evidence of a third universe we should not construct theories involving it. I love the idea of a multiverse (with far more than two instances), and I really hope they show it, maybe in future seasons – but until then we should focus on what we have: two universes.

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  37. Xochitl says

    I’m kind of creep out and confused, to this moment I can’t even grasp where they are going with the weapon and peter, I mean how is it going to end?

    I knew somewhere they were going to give us a PEter episode, now, this is a lot better than Northwest passage (Which I was rewatching and I stil don’t understand) but that’s the reason I’m creep out, he was so different, I feel like olivia, having this imaginary perfect peter in my head and right now my impression of him is kind of off, teorically he wasn’t doing anything wrong, so why did he hide it? if he was so afraid of olivia reading the file of fauxlivia because of how her impression of him might change, I think he was more like talking about what he was doing, this changes a lot in him, but as nina pointed out, Peter has gone through a lot and really, the man hasn’t talked about any of it with anybody, he hasn’t talked with walter, they just went back to seminormalicy, and apart from that confession with olivia they hand’t really talked about anything, the guy is just a huge time bomb (no pun intended) emotionally speaking right now.

    I’m more scaed of what is coming, Peter kind of turning to his dark side, Walter trying to regenerate his brain, some how I don’t think it’s going to end fine, and I’m even more worried about the relationship between olivia and peter, she kind of forgave him already, and she was at the end in the house so she was reaching out, but Peter is not anymore, and if olivia finds out about this, not if, when, she is not going to be happy, and that either finally brings them together and completely brakes them apart.

    I think it was a very strong episode, on plot and in Peter’s character, and I’m totally terrified of the implication of all of what happened.

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  38. Skyler says

    I’m more inclined to think of the proposal Nina, when she spoke with Walter during testing to Peter in MD. In my opinion, Peter needs help, yes, but a professional and therapeutic type, Why? Well, for starters, he doesn´t remembers his childhood because he was kidnapped, the second one, he dealt with an inattentive father was sent to a mental institution for manslaughter, his mother commits suicide,he is grown only in the company of friends and partners uncertain, developing a life of crime about which little is known, he is forced to abandon the independent living and wandering to become the nanny of his mad father, then he deals with all kinds of events “mysterious and unusual” in the course of 2 years only to discover that he doesn´t belong to this universe. Annoying is the one where he learns that his real father wants to use as a weapon of mass destruction, and finally clings to as his true feeling for Olivia, to bear the weight of it all, but also discovers, after 8 long episodes she is not who he thought … and that in all this, all we heard from Peter is an “I’m sorry” at the end of 3×09 … what? he has changed or is changing, there is justice at last showed something of what he has endured, of course, one would not expect a shapeshifters killer, but would break somewhere …

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    • number six says

      “I’m more inclined to think of the proposal Nina, when she spoke with Walter during testing to Peter in MD. In my opinion, Peter needs help, yes, but a professional and therapeutic type.”

      I also think Nina is right. He needs help, but not from Walter, with whom Peter won’t speak about his problems and certainly not from Olivia, who sees “deep seated goodness and sincerity” in him, which shows how blind she is.

      Peter is trying to solve his problems on his own and it’s not going to work. Nina cares for him, but she’s detached enough to see, what Peter needs.

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  39. Ben says

    I’d give this one high marks, while at the same time watching it is a strange experience. The revelation that Peter had become basically a serial killer of shapeshifters was upsetting, like a very surly Joss Whedon had taken over the show. True, most shapeshifters aren’t very nice, Officer Ray being an exception. But Peter’s callous, “not even human” attitude toward them makes him sound like his biological father. And even if the big weapon is responsible, it makes it hard to look at the younger Bishop the same way.

    But while I wouldn’t have asked for all this, watching it was interesting. If the show is getting new viewers in its Friday night slot, I’m curious how they saw the episode.

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    • Peanut says

      Walter says that the Observers are not human either. Does that mean that Peter can kill them with a clear conscience too?

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    • Count Screwloose says

      You nailed it with your “Rick Deckard” comment above, Ben. The whole episode was “Blade Runner.” The incredibly sensitive lie detector being used to determine if someone was human? The troubled loner hunting synthetic humans?

      Oh, and how did Peter break into those homes?

      Of course, that movie ended (well, depending on the cut you saw!) with the implication that the hunter may have had more in common with his prey than he would have believed.

      Peter will live to regret his harsh judgement of the shapeshifters’ humanity.

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      • Peanut says

        Good observation about the break-ins. Shapeshifter security fail! Apparently, all shapeshifters have old, easy-to-jimmy window locks. You’d think that they would be even more security-minded than the average individual.

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      • Robert says

        This episode is not the first one where we get a reference or even an hommage to Blade Runner. The title of episode 4 “Do shapeshifters dream of electric sheep?” is actually a slight variation of the original title of the book which Blade Runner was based upon: “Do robots dream of electric sheep?” by Phillip K. Dick.

        Knowing the conclusion of the book we can expect that Peter will not get away with his killing spree so easily.

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  40. says

    When Olivia said that she felt like Rip Van Winkle, who slept for 20 years, that got me thinking about Peter… What if Peter is the sleeper, a deep cover agent who infiltrated his target only to be activated at a later date, by a pre-arranged signal … The Machine. Everything with Peter has changed. Since Walter brought Peter back, he has blended into everyday life, becoming successful enough to become an agent of influence. He is the least likely person to trigger suspision, a law abiding citizen, until now. Something major has happened to Peter, and I think that the sudden saboteur behavior has been the result of his awakening.

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    • lizw65 says

      As I recall there was a great deal of speculation during the first season that Peter might be a double agent who had infiltrated the Fringe division for some nefarious purpose, but I think that to spring such a twist on us now after we’ve become invested in the character would be “jumping the shark”. It might have worked in Season One when we were still getting to know the characters, but now it would seem like a massive retcon that I doubt the show could recover from.

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  41. Tammy says

    Hi All,
    Love this episode..I suspected Peter the moment they said the blood type and Walter said he had the same blood type..I just assumed Peter had the same type.

    Did Peter lie to Olivia about why he didn’t want her to read the FauxOlivia’s files? I don’t think so. If I remember correctly, Broyles said Peter gave them suggestions for passwords and one of them worked. So Peter may have went in after the file were available and just concentrated on the list of names. I don’t think he read the “diary” parts of it and I truly think Peter believes FauxOlivia was running a con on him and just assumed that she what she would have wrote…how she was conning him and what an idot he was for falling for it. And at this point in the game I don’t think he really cares if FauxOlivia had feelings for him cause he does not feelings for her. Maybe if they met under different circumstances or if he had stayed on the other side he could have developed real feelings for her but that is not the case he was with her because he wanted to be with Olivia and enjoying the time he spent with FauxOlivia does not mean he fell for her..and even if he was starting to or could have finding out that your relationship started out as a con kinda just takes it to place where any real feelings would have ended or now be stiffled by that truth. FauxOlivia may still carry a torch for Peter since she was the one conning him but I think if Peter has to choose between FauxOlivia and Olivia, FauxOlivia doesn’t stand a chance and I very much doubt Peter would even think about who he would choose.

    With all the above being said if Peter LIED to Olivia about why he didn’t want her to read the files I will hate him forever and he may as well be dead.

    OK, now to Bad Ass Peter. Loved it! Hope to see more of it!! I don’t know why some think this is soooo out of character for Peter. I do not think it is out of his character at all. As far as I am concerned I don’t think I know that much about Peter and his past to say it is soooo out of character. Peter went into “personal feelings aside” there is a job to do and it must be done. I do not think Peter any different than from “Bourne Identity” or those type CIA movies where an agent has to do what needs to be done in order to save lives..protect your country, complete your mission..etc. I think Peter is in a place now where he is finally start to see this as WAR..and I am glad that our side/this side is FINALLY taking that approach. Yes, Peter did say there has to be a better way, another way to fix things without destroying an entire Universe..and I do agree and I do hope he is right. It is time for this side to start kicking some ass. I saw no problems with Peter hunting down the Shapeshifters and killing them in such a cold blooded manner. This is a war and these shapeshifters are soliders…whether are not they can develop feelings or human like traits is irrelevant..if given the order they will kill our beloved Fringe team without a second thought. So I say kill them all!!

    Peter is at his breaking point and he has a mission and I believe the reason he didn’t tell anyone was he didn’t want to be talked out of it..cause we all know that is what would have happened. He wants answers and he wants the threats eliminated so he had no choice but to go rogue. I think Peter has accepted what no one else wants to and that there is a great chance that this machine will kill him. If that doesn’t send someone off the deep end I don’t know what would. I also get the sense that Peter is shutting down his feelings…. for Olivia and Walter. Yea, he cares about them but I suspect he is starting to detach emotionally from them in order to do what he feels he has to do. I don’t know if the machine triggered something in him or just drove the point home that this is real..it is no longer just random cases to solve. Whether or not they figure out exactly what is happening doesn’t change the fact that it is happening now. I just hope he comes clean and tells Olivia..I do not want him to become another John Scott for Olivia.

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  42. earthbrah says

    I agree that Peter has been in need of some help for a while now. Nina speaking to him about this made me think it was a hint that we’ll be seeing more of Sam Weiss, the guy who helped Olivia after she returned from the meeting with Bell.

    And that’s a connection to the First People, I think. Seamus Wiles is an anagram for Samuel Weiss. Mayhap he’ll be able to help Peter understand his relationship to this machine…

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  43. romil says

    Did anybody else noticed the only souvenir that fauxlivia took from this universe was photo booth pictures of her and Peter? And Peter found them on her exit scene. What if Peter fall in love with fauxlivia (Olivia without a baggage) due to their intimacy? And after reading her file and finding photo, he got assurance that it is mutual. Now, he just want to help her and be with her. We know that somebody is tipping him about the location of shapeshifters and shipshifters are scared of him and expecting his attacks.

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