Fringe Episode 3.09 Marionette


BROKEN HEARTS AND STOLEN PARTS ON AN ALL-NEW “FRINGE”

THURSDAY, DECEMBER 9, ON FOX

When the Fringe Team investigates a case where a victim had his heart extracted, it’s just the beginning of a series of mysterious and reanimating events tied together. Meanwhile, Peter comes to terms with the reality of his relationship with Olivia in the all-new “Marionette” episode of FRINGE airing Thursday, Dec. 9 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR 3.09) (TV-14 D, V)

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth

Guest Cast: Mark Ivanir as The Gentleman; Anja Savcic as Amanda Walsh; Michael Bean as Grant Russo; Michael Coleman as Ben Killenburg; Barbara Tyson as Mrs. Walsh; Genevieve Buechner as Tabatha; Elizabeth McLaughlin as Dr. Alexandra Ros.

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    • Fringee says

      I think she took it well until she learned about the intimacy between him and Fauxlivia. Olivia is the type to repress her feelings and show other people that she is fine. With all the pain she has gone through, she needs to let it out or she’ll go crazy!

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  1. LMH says

    I knew September would blow my mind in the last 2 seconds. AHHHH!!!
    This ep was such a tease. I guess it has done its job for the lowatus. What wondrous torture.

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  2. bdp says

    Wow that final Peter & Olivia scene was brutal. I honestly feel like I got punched in the gut after watching it…and yet probably nowhere near as bad as Peter seemed sitting there alone. Those two SERIOUSLY need to make up, I know it’ll take time but it needs to happen.

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    • Ann_Louise says

      Yes, as painful as that scene was to watch, Olivia HAD to say what she did. Just like Peter had to tell her the truth, Olivia had to stop wearing the “I’m ok” smiley face and deal with the damage her doppelganger wreaked on Olivia’s life.
      I also think it will take time, but they will find a way back to each other. Right now Olivia needs to reclaim her life, and eventually she and Peter will figure out what their new relationship will be like.

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  3. megan says

    That was a creepy episode. Peter is such a moron “She took it better than I thought”. Really Peter!? I wanted to smack him upside the head. So glad Olivia told him off.

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    • BklynBetty says

      Peter thinking for a moment that the face Olivia was making was her taking the news well was ridiculous. I also thought Peter was kind of off for most of this episode. I know that he has a history of calling her out when she is taking things out on him (“You got any more jokes?”) – but – calling her out for being dismissive after Not Noticing for 2 months that she wasn’t there. I would have thought that he would have been more self-conscious about it, more thoughtful say, and somewhat less aggressive in that moment- in my opinion anyway. I really don’t know what the boy could be thinking.

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      • LizW65 says

        I saw it more as Peter trying to convince himself that everything was going to be okay, rather than genuinely believing she was taking it well. That fake smile he had plastered on his face during the scene in the lab seemed to confirm this for me.

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  4. says

    Great Broyles moment when Olivia was telling him about his Earth 2 counterpart. The character has really deepened. And I enjoyed this case a lot.

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  5. Pierce says

    Wow, what a wonderfully disturbing episode.

    And poor Livy. Oh, my heart absolutely broke for her. That final scene between her and Peter was beautiful and heartbreaking. We literally saw Olivia go throught he five stages of grief, and she’s going to be in anger for some time, and it makes sense.

    I defended Peter throughout this entire arc, and I still do, but I also understand Olivia’s point of view. In typical Fringe style, it’s not screaming and yelling, throwing things across the room, it’s subtle and tense exchanges that really speak to those moments and give them the proper depth. The entire episode felt like we were shifting, having to readjust our perspectives along with the characters are they try to pick up the pieces of their lives. Beautiful. Simply beautiful.

    Now to ponder over Septembers statement. Whom was he referring to…Walter or Peter?

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    • Pwnsauce says

      judging by the preview, I’d guess it was about Peter. The actual mystery of the episode was just ok, but that final scene with Peter and Olivia really was spectacular. I’m glad they didn’t have Olivia pretend like Peter wasn’t an idiot. How am I gonna wait until January 21st?

      also, the glyph was ADAPT

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      • bdp says

        Agreed that final scene between Peter & Olivia was so well acted. Anna and Josh just nailed it and the writers did such a superb job in voicing the fans frustrations of what happened with Peter not noticing Altlivia. I also like how they had him again admit in the beginning that he did see differences but he wrote them off. I too remain a Peter fan and can see both the hurt on Olivia’s side and understand how Peter screwed up and the pain he’s now going through. That said I think the scene is exactly what it needed to be for the to eventually reconcile. Olivia needed to point all those things out and openly voice how upset she was. She needs time and Peter needs to give her space (which I loved how he was willing to just sit there and let her vent and not try to justify/defend what happened). That entire scene needed to happen exactly the way it did in order for the them to move past what happened and eventually reforge their relationship. As John Noble defended Peter’s actions during the live tweet by saying “Love is blind”, Olivia will come to see that in time.

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        • Pierce says

          My exact thoughts about that final scene. My heart breaks for both of them, because it’s all so unfair on both sides. Olivia’s anger is palatable and understandable. Peter’s regret is as well. Both of them looked so devasted and lost.

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          • bdp says

            Glad to see someone who shares my thoughts on the situation. And yeah they really just revert back to the broken and damaged individuals they have been since childhood without each other. Peter’s final “Sorry” to no one was so well played and absolutely heartbreaking.

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            • runpaceyrun says

              I cried so hard for them both. I am hurting for them both. God dam Anna and Josh played that so well. i have just watched this episode on download and i am still crying! My heart breaks for them Peter and Olivia…..and this is meant to be a sci-fi show! I have never cried so much or been through so much angst before with any other show. I so love Fringe.
              Gotta go find a tissue box!

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        • Ori says

          I agree with you.

          I understand Peter’s regret as well. But seriously, if he can forgive Olivia for not telling him he is from the other side, I think Olivia will eventually forgive Peter too.

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  6. Anjali says

    Wow, just wow!!
    I loved Anna and Josh’s scenes together… they were flawless. The scene where she’s sort of snapping at him.. I could feel the tension!! Very well acted.

    And the ending… I’m glad Olivia said all that. It’s as if the writer’s took our frustrations and voiced them through Olivia. Great stuff!!!

    One more thing: Frankenstein + Black Swan = Fringe. :)

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    • lizw65 says

      Agreed–the MOTW was fairly routine, but the character scenes really made this one. Everything that needed to be said thus far, was–but did anyone else find Olivia’s first words to Peter after she learned the truth to be a bit odd: “Does everyone else know?” I dunno, that just seemed kind of a random and strange thing to be thinking of at the time. (And hey, Roco, we even got a scene between Olivia and Astrid!) The final preview was very unsettling as well. Have the Observers now decided that Peter is a mistake that needs to be “corrected”? Sure looks that way, but that contradicts everything we’ve been toldup to now. Hmm…

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      • bdp says

        Yeah the moments between Anna and Josh were spectacular. It was everything that needed to be said and the two of them nailed their scenes to the point of absolute perfection.

        And Lizw65, I definitely thought the same thing about Olivia’s initial reaction after Peter admitted what happened. It just seemed a bit off to me. Really, her biggest concern was if people knew about “their” relationship and the true deception behind it?

        As for Peter and the Observers, that is definitely unsettling to think about and would be an immensely interesting direction to take the story. And any upcoming danger for Peter will surely help to repair the strongly damaged relationship between our star-crossed lovers.

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      • megan says

        I think Olivia’s first response in understandable…she was hurt but also embarrassed once she found out what happend. And she wants to know how she may have to react her friends. I too enjoyed that girl talk b/w Astrid and Olivia. They are few and far between!

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      • Name says

        I’m guessing Olivia’s desire to want to know if anyone else knew about the relationship was because if others knew about this relationship, then it meant they’d seen the two interact. It was a twist of the knife because others had witnessed how she and Peter interacted in both a platonic relationship and a “romantic” one. Basically, everyone knows what a Peter/Olivia relationship would be like except herself, and were witnesses to his happiness with an Olivia who was not her.

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      • Name says

        Also, like FinChase says below, it’s probably safe to say at least half of the officers of Fringe division’s two dozen pretty much know about the ruins of her life now. She has to see these people everyday and look at the pity that’s there. Olivia’s a strong and private woman; having everybody at work know about just how broken and “not okay” you are is demoralizing.

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  7. Page 48 says

    Ouch, all he had to do is look into her eyes and he knew it wasn’t her. It took an hour of what felt like a dreaded Season 1 throwback to get there, but that last minute payoff put a smirk on my face.

    That Olivia-on-Peter beat-down may have been the most telegraphed scene in TV history, but high fives to Olivia for not letting it go to waste. She used it to run Peter into the ground, leaving spike marks on his ego and sending his love life to the 60 Day Disabled List.

    Peter, dude, if you know a guy that can fix this (and I’m sure you do), now would be an excellent time to place the call.

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    • RONEO says

      “Peter, dude, if you know a guy that can fix this ….” A point to you, hahaha.
      Although I’m afraid this is something the dude has to do by himself. Perhaps that´s the only side of this affair that I like: the part in which Peter´ll have to work really hard, as he hasn’t done ever in all his adventurous life for nothing, less for a girl. Join that to the machine-that-can destroy-or save-the-world part, and you will have a real chance to grow up. Take it, boy.

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  8. Sasha says

    What a great episode! I loved how much it resonated emotionally. We really needed this after an action-packed episode like “Entrada”. I loved how the relationship between Peter and Olivia played out, and I’m really satisfied with their reactions. So heartbreaking when Olivia started tearing out her clothes and her bed, and then tell Peter that she feels so violated by Altlivia living her life. It was just perfectly acted.
    I just watched the Pilot today for the first time since I first got into the show, and I realized how far these two actors have come.
    Also, a bunch of my friends were watching this show for the first time and thought this was the creepiest show. Hahah. But man was it creepy when Roland was moving the corpse so it danced for him. So so so creepy. And I loved how the storyline played into Olivia’s emotional arc.
    This episode was so good, I’m sad we have to wait 5 weeks until the next episode.

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  9. says

    Even though most of the show was in the MOTW style, the dialogue while they were solving the case continually brought us back to and mirrored the situation between Peter and Olivia. It was well done. We got a little more insight into Olivia’s character too. Through her defense of the girl who committed suicide I got the distinct impression that Olivia has been through (or may still be going through) deep depressions. While we’ve always known she’s been “haunted” I guess I didn’t jump to depressed from that.

    I too picked up on her question about everybody knowing. Roco was so quick to point out Peter’s pride in the Entrada review because his first question was how she was able to make the switch. Olivia’s pride just reared it’s ugly head here…I wonder if he’ll comment on it.

    The scene at the end was so beautiful and so needed. They weren’t lying when they said that they were going to tear Olivia down to build her back up again. She’s pretty torn down I’d say. No where to go but up.

    Those shifty observers…what are they up to now!?

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    • mlj102 says

      “Olivia’s pride just reared it’s ugly head here…”

      I don’t think it’s necessarily a prideful response, though there is a hint of that in there. I think it’s perfectly natural for her to want to know how many people are aware of an aspect of her life that even she doesn’t know about. How many people saw the relationship she wanted to have, but never actually had? And on top of that, it also says something about how deep their relationship had been and how far it had progressed. If not many people were aware of it, than perhaps it was still superficial. But if a lot of people were aware of the developments, odds are it was pretty involved.

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  10. cortexifan says

    Wow, don’t know what to say. I will have to watch it again right now. The storyline seems to play right into what is happening with Peter and Oliva. Olivia’s reactions are very believable and I’m glad the writers let us see a vulnerable side of Olivia. Anna’s acting is great. Emotionally right on the money. Add those to all she’s already done and please give her an Emmy, Golden Globe and whatever else is out there.
    Too liked the scene between Astrid and Olivia. Maybe Astrid will become someone she can go talk to. The Brown Betty reference was there again, with the open heart cavity. Hey and Brown Betty Walter made corpses sing.

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    • cortexifan says

      let’s call this episode: creepishly haunting, or as Astrid said in one of the episodes “I’m not gonna sleep for weeks”.

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  11. FinChase says

    This episode actually marked a first for me: I actually had to pause it and go to the kitchen and have a brief argument with a fictional character. It basically boiled down to this: “Dammit, Olivia, stop being so nice and forgiving! HE DIDN’T KNOW SHE WASN’T YOU! Tell him how you really feel about this!”

    I knew as soon as the Frankenstein guy started talking about how he knew as soon as he looked in her eyes that he didn’t know who he brought back, that this would open the floodgates for Olivia. What a brilliant job Anna did showing that in her eyes.

    I agree with everyone that the scene in the little garden was brilliantly played and it didn’t go over the top. She said all the things that we had all been thinking on her behalf for months. I liked Peter’s little “I’m sorry” to the empty garden after she left. I thought it echoed AltLivia’s “Sorry” to the deaf guy she was about to murder. In both cases, the regret may have been real, but the damage was already done.

    I loved the little scene in Broyles’ office–isn’t it ironic how much like Alt-Broyles’ office it is now? Roco should be thrilled. I liked the little “Surprise! It’s me!” expression on Olivia’s face when Broyles came in and saw her. I’m so glad that they took the time to talk about Alt-Broyles. I think it was important for both Broyles and Olivia to do so. I also loved the play of emotions and memories that crossed Olivia’s face when Broyles expressed concerned that she shouldn’t come back so soon because of all she had been through. I wonder how often the memory of Brandonate and his bonesaw will wake her up in a cold sweat. Maybe Peter did Olivia a favor after all, because now she probably isn’t sleeping at all.

    Some questions that were answered: Olivia was over there for approximately the same amount of time as AltLivia was here, in spite of the clues/suggestions that were laid down in the over there episodes. Olivia also didn’t sleep with Frank, although I think most of us had suspected that, and then they got him out of town really hastily.

    The scene between Astrid and Olivia was great. First, it was wonderful to see Broyles actually call Astrid into the office for a briefing. Finally! And I’m just glad to see those two get the chance to play a scene together without either of the Bishops. Unlike Roco, I’ve never thought there was any animosity between them; they just don’t get a chance to relate very often. Maybe they bonded a bit in that time in the lab in “Entrada”. I did think that perhaps Olivia could have asked why Astrid didn’t know. All of the members of the Fringe team should be asking themselves this question now.

    I see that others have been disturbed that Olivia’s first question to Peter was “Does everyone know?” I registered it, but it didn’t bother me. Olivia has her pride, and she’s going to have to face all these knowing eyes. She’s not a person who wears her heart on her sleeve but she did at the end for Peter, and now everyone’s going to know that her world just got blown apart. A lesser woman would run away now.

    This is a much longer post than I was intending. My final observation is this: Isn’t it ironic that even when you are a universal spy with a mission to save your world and destroy another, a Mata Hari with a “vagenda” like AltLivia, you still end up doing the jerk’s laundry?

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  12. bdp says

    Oh and I just realized that Fringe seems to love ending their winter finales with huge roadblocks in the Peter and Olivia relationship.

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  13. Randy says

    Folks, here’s the real clincher … Peter liked the Alt-Olivia more because she was a freer woman who made him feel whole. That’s the real issue at hand.
    The Olivia from this side was reserved and had intimacy issues. Peter was really looking for that to change.

    Thus, when the Frankenstein doctor realized that his creation wasn’t the girl who’d committed suicide, he’d lost someone he’d loved for who she really was. The Doc wasn’t looking for the perfect woman or his ideal companion, he was simple looking to help his friend who had a passion for ballet. Thus, in every way, he wasn’t a petty Baron Von Frankenstein trying to create a lovedoll/robot but a kind friend. I think on some level, Olivia had realized that. She knew that in the real sense of the word, Peter wanted someone better (or different) than her.

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    • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

      “Folks, here’s the real clincher … Peter liked the Alt-Olivia more because she was a freer woman who made him feel whole. That’s the real issue at hand.”

      I just hope Peter doesn’t run back to Alt-Liv…

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      • LizW65 says

        To my way of thinking, the only thing that would make him go back to her now is if she were pregnant with his child, and he would feel an obligation to be a part of their lives. However, unless the writers and Jackson wish to limit Peter’s role on the show to a handful of Over There appearances, I don’t really see the show going in that direction–and frankly, these characters have enough on their plates right now without that added complication.

        And FWIW, I honestly don’t think Peter preferred Alt-Liv, however much Roco would like to believe it. :D She was playing a role, and he only got to see the real Alt-Liv for a few minutes in Over There Part One, and again at the end of Entrada. I also think it’s signifigant that the writers put in that little conversation between Olivia and Astrid. We’ve seen that Astrid is to all intents and purposes one of the most together and least screwed up of all the characters on the show, and I found it fitting that she was the one to reassure Olivia that she (Olivia) was the one Peter cares for, not the alternate. It was as if by putting those words in Astrid’s mouth, the writers were affirming them as the show’s “official” position, if that makes any sense at all.:) (And no, I don’t think Astrid just said what she did because she thought it was what Olivia wanted to hear–she’s the one who pointed out that Olivia is a good judge of character, after all, and if Olivia suspected Astrid was lying just to be kind, she would have picked up on it at once.)

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        • Isa says

          I totally agree with you, Liz! I think Astrid telling Olivia “it’s not fine… his feelings for you were real, still are” was the writers telling the audience what they think. Actually, I think it works in many levels: Astrid often being the voice of reason in the show.

          As I said before, I think it’s pretty delusional to think Olivia and Peter won’t end up together. They are the stars of the show… but not only that. Fringe is about forgiving and understanding each other and ourselves. If Walter after all he has done in the past can get a second chance, why wouldn’t Peter? If Peter forgave Olivia before, when she didn’t tell him about him being from the Other Side, why wouldn’t she forgive him? Besides, I think Peter was wonderful and very mature this episode. He was honest with Olivia (something Olivia herself wasn’t when she was the one carrying secrets) and he didn’t try to make excuses. He let her say whatever she needed to say, he didn’t interrupt her.

          Of course, they are both damaged now and their relationship is in bad terms. But Olivia needs to heal, she needs to see that Peter really loves her. And Peter needs to understand why he loved Olivia in the first place. It will take sometime, but they will get there.

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          • number six says

            It was great to see Peter (at the beginning) and Olivia (at the end) being so mature and sincere. I admit I enjoyed their not so subtle fight, while they were going through the files, but too much of that would be annoying. Instead of behaving like the stereotypical TV couple, they settled everything within an episode and now it’s time to move on. It’s refreshing to see this on a TV show.

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      • fedorafadares says

        Okay, I’ll say it.

        I don’t think he made her feel whole. I think she gave him great sex, which was the icing on a rich, emotional cake that Olivia baked.

        He was being conned into getting exactly the kind of love relationship he wanted by a woman who could play him. While AltLivia might have grown to have affection for Peter, she was largely acting as a mirror to what Peter wanted. He was tricked and fell for the illusion.

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    • RONEO says

      See, I don’t really think that Peter liked the Alt-Olivia more, in spite of her smiles and all that stuff. The problem is that Olivia does think that Peter liked Alt-Olivia more…..

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      • MeghanCL says

        I think if Peter was the type of person who really did like Altliv more, he would have stuck with Rachel and we wouldn’t even be having this conversation ;-)

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        • fedorafadares says

          Agreed. His attraction for Olivia is one part physical, one part admiration. She grounds him and elevates him at the same time. His attraction for Altlivia was one part physical, one part fun — which at the end of the day isn’t enough.

          All good relationships transcend “fun.”

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      • Catherine says

        That is the problem, isn’t it…Olivia’s feelings of insecurity. Maybe deep down, Olivia liked Bolivia more. Living Bolivia’s life and having Bolivia’s memories made Olivia realize how much happier SHE could have been. The ever haunting… IF ONLY.

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      • BklynBetty says

        I really think that the ‘quick smiles’ that Peter seemed to love so much lose just about all their meaning once he knows it was Altliv. I mean, the reasons that those smiles would be so amazing and wonderful to Peter, is precisely because Ourliv doesn’t seem to smile as much as …Peter would like – but, not because she is too serious or somber or not enough fun or some kind of personal flaw – but, because Peter knows that she has the weight of the world (or two) on her shoulders, because her last boyfriend deceived her and died, because she was experimented on as a child, because her step father beat her mother – because her life has been a series of tragedies. I don’t think that Peter wants someone bubbly who will smile more and just be happier – *He wants Olivia to smile and be happier*.
        If his smile was rueful, i would suspect that he was considering how easy it had seemed to make her smile and how blind he was so believing that it could be that easy. With all of her trauma/baggage/responsibility/whatever Ourliv’s smiles are a rare and meaningful thing – much, MUCH more meaningful than Altliv’s – even if some of them were kind of real – the idea that anyone interested seriously in Olivia – in someone like Olivia – could down-shift fast enough to be taken with Altliv is beyond all credibility. If the writers were to go there, Peter’s character would be irrevocably harmed, as would theirs, IMO – for choosing to write characters with the consistency of a day-time soap opera.

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        • number six says

          I interpreted his rueful smile as: I thought her smiles were because of me and I LOVED it. How stupid of me!

          That doesn’t mean he can’t have doubts about his feelings for Altlivia. Even though he’s not in love with her, part of him responded to her on a basic level. If he hadn’t been kidnapped, Altlivia and Peter would probably would have met and fallen in love.

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  14. Britt says

    I hope we see the other “Olivia” adjust back to her universe. Did she really fall in love with Peter? and if so will she fall back in love with her boyfriend back in her universe or is she just going to leave him.
    Our Olivia needs to change her scene, get a different apartment, new stuff, and spend some time with her sister and niece to reconnect with her old self. I also think her and Astrid could do with a better developed relationship, I think Astrid’s character deserves to be known as something other than Walter’s babysitter.
    Also, back to the alternate universe, I wonder how Broyle’s crew is going to react to his death… are they going to question Walternate’s authority and reasoning or is he going to cleverly cover it up and make it look like Olivia had killed them to gain their support in a war against our universe.
    One thing is for sure I am going to miss seeing Charlie every now and again, I know he doesn’t have that big of a part in the show but I just really loved his character, I also like how he is the only one on the other side that questions which Olivia is really with them.

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    • FinChase says

      I was thinking this, too. Olivia was living AltLivia’s life, too, albeit unwillingly. I think it would have to disconcert her to find the little changes in her place. Depending on what Charlie and Linc are told, might they not be looking for the super-aware, intuitive version of Olivia they experienced for the past few weeks? They may not have realized it at the time, but they had the upgraded Olivia model in their midst. I think they are going to miss that.

      And how will Broylnate’s death/disappearance be handled? That’s going to be a big hole there.

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  15. real1 says

    “She wasn’t me ” …. ” she did take all my life ”

    Really .. heartbreaking , I just was wanting to yell at Peter .. how he could be that stupid and think that she is ok .. it’s fine .. we are good !!!

    I think this stage is the rest of Peter and Olivia relationship .. Peter should for now work to how he can have her to him , if he really love her .. he will try and try and try .. to the end .

    Encore , very well acting from Anna Torv ,

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  16. annon says

    Wow. That’s all I can say. How much have they changed Peter this season? He is like a totally different character. That really saddens me.

    I’ve said previously that depending how the writers wrote the fallout, depends on where Peter and Olivia go. To me there finished. They basically have now stripped Peter back to nothing. When the writers said that they were going to hit Peter hard this season, they were not kidding. I just never expected them to decimate Peter’s character as much as they have. I just want to know why they felt they needed to go there? It’s something I’ve been wondering all season.

    Agreed on that last scene. It was very powerful and I knew that Olivia would show she was ok to start off with but in the end she would give it to him, and that’s what happened. Nothing Peter could say or do was going to make up for what went down, however, I’m really glad he told her the truth. That’s got to count for something, even if it is only small. Still I don’t know how they can come back from this and maybe this is the writers way of telling the P/O shippers, it’s never gone to happen now.

    The MOTW was creepy but I can understand why the writers went there as it was paralleling what Olivia was discovering since she had been gone.

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  17. David H says

    The part that puts me on Peter’s side in this is his almost saying to her “well, she’s a lot more fun than you.” Almost, but he realized what he was about to say. Except that she knew, and he knew she knew, and it was too late.

    And it’s true. For all Olivia’s positive traits, she’s high maintenance as a girlfriend, or an almost girlfriend. Peter was relieved to have someone who was open, fun, not a puzzle. Nothing wrong with that. I’d be saying that to Olivia if I was him. “Maybe if you weren’t so cold & withdrawn I wouldn’t have fallen for a better “you.”

    And if no one else knew the difference, why is Peter required to know? It’s not like she was an open book who he could easily compare to Altlivia. If you want someone to know the difference between you & someone else you have to let that someone get to know you a bit. Olivia has always played her cards too close to her chest, and now she’s having to deal with the consequences.

    Lay off Peter already!

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    • Name says

      True and well-said.

      The bottom line about the two Olivias, for me anyway, is that I’d rather have Alt-Liv as a friend, but I want Our Olivia to be the one saving the world. Our Olivia is a heroine and interesting, Alt-Liv is ordinary.

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    • RONEO says

      How can anyone think of AltOlivia as a better version of our Olivia? I only agree in that she’s a easy girlfriend….in the short and quick term. And I’d rather have Olivia as a friend, as a coworker, as a lover, and obviously, as the world saviour, one million thousand times.
      Peter is not (always) stupid, and he knows that, or will eventually know.

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    • number six says

      While this is true, I’m glad she laser-focused her anger on Peter and didn’t go one by one, giving them a piece of her mind. We can’t deny, that she went through a lot on the other side, she came back, only to find how easily replaceable she is (true to real life, but difficult to accept anyway), her things are not her things anymore and last but not least, she’s incredibly jealous of Altlivia and Peter is the main source of that jealousy. Her outburst was only human and I’m glad it came out sooner than later, instead of having it stew for weeks and making everyone frustrated, including the audience.

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  18. runpaceyrun says

    Oh god..that episode was a heavy one…..and disturbing and downright creepy! I actually felt sick at the thought that someone would actually reharvest donor organs in an attempt to reanimate someone they loved. And i thought it was clever of the writers to parallel the MOTW story with the Olivia and Peter storyline. But the parallels only made it worse for me….as i could tell what was coming…..and i knew i would cry!
    When you hear………
    “he wanted a second chance so we gave him one, or at least i thought we did”
    and
    “her eyes…when i looked into her eyes. It wasnt Amanda. I dont know what i brought back..but i know it wasnt her”

    I knew the final scene of this episode was going to be poignant and a kicker to leave us with. Peters final “im sorry” to the empty garden just made me cry all over again. Anna and Josh did fantastic work in this episode…i felt their pain, discomfort, anger, guilt and regret…..and i still feel it. I hope Peter and Olivia can work together to save both universes……but there may be furtive glances, uncomfortable silences, arguements and (perhaps) rage to come.
    I dont know what else to say other than i feel so emotional for both Olivia and Peter. I never wanted the writers to pair them up in the first place…but i wouldnt have wanted to miss this storyline for anything. It has been simply outstanding. It has taken me on a very emotional ride…and has only reinforced to me that Fringe is the most outstanding show on tv….with the most creative writing team and brilliant actors. I just wish i didnt have to wait 5 more weeks to see the next episode.
    I dont think i will sleep tonight…Peter and Olivias pain rolling around in my brain … paired with the image of the dancing (dead) Amanda being operated like a marionette. Creepy

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    • LizW65 says

      “her eyes…when i looked into her eyes. It wasnt Amanda. I dont know what i brought back..but i know it wasnt her”

      To me this paralleled not only the Olivia/Peter situation, but the Peter/Walter one as well. Did Walter feel the same regret that the son he stole wasn’t “real”?

      Also, I got the distinct impression that his and Bell’s research to try and re-animate the dead dog was really about bringing Peter back from the dead some time after he was taken from the AU (a callback to “Unleashed” when he told the gang he used to sing to the dog when it got night terrors…but he was likely talking about Peter’s nightmares after he was kidnapped.) Thoughts?

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      • runpaceyrun says

        Peter’s illness or whatever it is has always intriged me. I want to know just what is wrong with him. I mean we have had little hints..from Walter(pilot) and Bell (Over There part 2) but im sure there have been others that i havent picked up on. The comment from Walter in The Night of Desirable Objects when he said something along the lines of ” the body of a boy who is not in his grave” started me thinking a little bit about reanimation. But thats as far as i got. And i agree with you about Walters comment about singing to Rufus (i think that was the dogs name) when he had night terrors…i think that was really about Peter because we know he had night terrors. And at that stage of Peters life Walter would have been trying to help him integrate into the Over Here world. And Walter could have simply confused the 2 because at that stage we didnt know that Walter had had parts of his brain removed…which affected his memories. This is one mystery im keen to find out more about. No doubt the Observers hold the key to this one!

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        • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

          I also want to know if Walter looking into Peter’s eyes in the Pilot is related to this… reanimation, live forever serum. And wasn’t the gentleman using a very old-fashioned syringe? And wasn’t the librarian guy from the last episode also using a very old-fashioned type of syringe?

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  19. Ann_Louise says

    I loved the timing of the MOTW, and was sorry we only saw ONE commercial for Black Swan! It’s perfect – a creepy borderline-horror movie about ballet and obsession – where better to advertise it than a Fringe episode themed around obsession, true identity, and ballet! Even though the Olivia/Peter drama pushed the A story into the background, the image of that poor girl manipulated by that torture device to the strains of creepy classical music is haunting.

    Is there a Fringe-specific manual on how to build make your in-home Frankenstein lab as creepy and off-putting as possible? “Make sure you use an old-fashioned turntable and play weird, scratched up, 19th century classical music. Perfect compliment to your plastic sheeting and blue lights.”

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  20. Ario says

    Well. That was something else. The final scene was absolutely perfect – with the exception of one thing. I wish Olivia had at some point said something like “I’m sorry if this is too intense for you.” Maybe it’s my inner b•tch, but while I completely understand WHY Peter didn’t figure it all out, and I don’t think he loves Altlivia (he doesn’t even know her – he knows her pretending to be the woman he loves/ed), I’m not sure I can forgive him for starting his story off by recounting how Altlivia smiled more and was less intense. Just unnecessary and hurtful information, Peter. Especially when you say it with a smile (possibly wistful, possibly rueful – can’t decide).

    As for loving Altlivia, I really can’t see Peter doing that (as I said, he doesn’t even know her!), especially now. Whatever his preferences for smiling women, knowing how Altlivia’s behaviour (and by extension his own) has completely messed with Olivia (she isn’t even comfortable in her own skin anymore!) should certainly add an extra level of horror to the whole experience.

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    • Name says

      Agree! I think he’d said it wistfully because he’d thought it was Our Olivia’s “quicker smile.” He’d loved seeing her smile, and it’s hard to get rid of that conditioning once your brain’s forever associated a certain image (i.e. her smile) with a good feeling.

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  21. pacey bishop says

    When the Gentleman said he didn’t know what he had brought back, but he knew for sure that it wasn’t Amanda I honestly thought SOMETHING was going to happen, like the girl’s body was going to try to kill someone in the basement or something. I was a little let down to find that she had just randomly…died? After all the build-up! It’s like waiting for a chocolate cake and getting a cupcake instead. At the same time, I was relieved, though, like if they gave us a chocolate cake right then, the scene with Peter and Olivia might not have been delivered as well as it was, at least it might not have felt that way.

    I loved Olivia’s talk with Astrid, although I thought it was kind of awkward, because you could see Olivia wanted to know things, but at the same time, it seemed as if she felt that maybe what she was doing wasn’t right, playing detective like that when this is mostly between Peter and her. But she’s clearly been hurt, and it’s not just about Peter, either, nobody else knew it wasn’t her. I saw that in her conversation with Astrid, it looked like she was testing waters but she’s like, using everything to test them? She pretty much went from, “I’m fine!!”(sounding aloof and giving the vibe she does not want to talk) to “this is strange..!”(sounding aloof but not as much) to “look, I know what happened.” (with a more imperative tone of voice) to “you saw them together???” (her tone of voice suddenly becoming softer) Poor Olivia, she’s all broken up and doesn’t know where to run to :[

    What an amazing episode, though, way better than I expected!

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    • fedorafadares says

      I totally agree about the nuances of confused Olivia in her conversation with Astrid. Anna Torv did an amazing job in all the emotional scenes.

      She showed similar range in that cafeteria conversation with Peter. It was like she started the conversation with the thrill of anticipation and then nuance by nuance showed how her happiness crumbled.

      She started out the conversation like a loose rubber band and ended up walking away like a wooden toy soldier. Went totally from jazz to Bach.

      This episode totally exceeded my expectations, too, and they were pretty high to begin with.

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  22. Isa says

    What a great little episode! After such an action ride with the previous episodes, I loved how emotional and not so grandieuse it was. I really missed this kind of story, with a very, very creepy villain, loads of little and heartbreaking scenes.

    I loved all interactions between Olivia and the rest of the cast. Great scene with Broyles, I’m glad she talked about her promise and about the relationship that Broylesnate had with his family. When she first arrives at the crime scene and sees Peter and looks so happy, that was heartbreaking. Olivia talks with Astrid! It’s so nice to see Astrid becoming more and more important than just the babysitter, you go, girl!

    And the final scene between Olivia and Peter! OMG, so subtle, so Fringe… heartbreaking. It couldn’t be better in terms of acting and writing.

    So I guess the second half of the season is going to be about the machine and Peter’s health. I wasn’t sure the observer was talking about Peter, it seemed he was talking about Walter, but that doesn’t make much sense. Well, I think Olivia and Peter will have a bit of hard time ahead, but Peter’s condition is what is going to bring them together again. Which is to say, it’s Brown Betty all along…

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    • runpaceyrun says

      That just broke my heart!
      I always loathed Altliv……and this is why.
      She stole everything from Olivia and Peter…..and me too. Im shattered!
      Tissue count after the episode = 6.
      I dont think i can rewatch this episode for a while… i am emotionally exhausted! But what an awesome episode.
      Josh and Anna were brilliant!

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  23. Isa says

    Oh, I also loved a small moment when Olivia is at her apartment and she looks at the mirror, she can see her bangs and she trys to cover them and then she sees the tatoo… ugh, so sad.

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    • FinChase says

      Yes, the tattoo: That constant, visible reminder of how much her life has been violated. Pity that AltLiv didn’t leave Newton’s tattoo-remover laying around. I wonder if AltLivia will get tattooed again?

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      • cortexifan says

        When she looked in the mirror there were the double eyes again. The same image I guess we saw in The Plateau when she was at Milo’s house talking about Rachel.
        Also, I’ve noticed that no one really apologized to her, well except Peter, and he for sure needs to.

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          • Isa says

            I think she was very understanding of the situation (may be too much) because she was Over There and everyone though she was Altlivia. So she could understand this a bit better. Also because I think is in Olivia’s nature not to expect from the others to really save her (she does all by herself, she’s the strong one, the gatekeeper), expect in regard to Peter, because she really loves the guy.

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    • says

      I usually want all of Peter’s clothes. Not sure what that says about me, but it’s true. I really liked this episiode. It was cool to have a good mystery about the research that Bell and Bishop did again. It’s been awhile since we’ve had a good mad scientist at work, and it’s good to get back to that Fringe staple. With so much focusing on the alt universe lately, really since “Jacksonville,” it’s good to be reminded that that’s not the only thing this show is about, that the research of Bell and Bishop, and mad scientists “crossing the line” is part of what they deal with.

      Also, it was cool to see the Fringe team united and solving cases again, which we haven’t seen since “The Man From the Other Side.” It’s been 14 episodes since the show’s principal characters have all been together sharing a “day at the office.” Thinking about that really drives home the risks this writing staff has taken, and I can’t think of any other remotely procedural show that pulled anything like that off.

      And next week is about the Observers. Very cool. Good to see some of the show’s non-alternate universe concepts, unscrupukous science, the research of Bishop and Bell, and the Observers get the spotlight again. As cool as the Other Side is, it’s only part of the scope of the show, and I’m glad to see it getting a break for a bit, to see some of the other sides of “Fringe.”

      Final thought: Is there at east one injection in every show? Sometimes two or three. I wonder if any shows have none and which shows have the most. An injection montage of Fringe would probably last the length of a whole episode.

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      • runpaceyrun says

        I thought i was the only one that had a thing for Peters clothes. God he looks gorgeous in some of them…..especially some of the coats and jackets!!! Oh and the bullet proof vest too!

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        • BklynBetty says

          Lol, RunPaceyRun – the boy can rock a bullet proof vest! A favorite of mine is Peter wearing a gun holster. :D

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          • runpaceyrun says

            Ok, its time for me to own up….i like Peter in anything he wears. Lets face it. He is one gorgoeus boy. But i really do take note of EVERYTHING he wears. And BklynBetty…i agree….when he was wearing the gun holster in NorthWest Passage…..oh he looked good! My favourite, favourite thing he wears is the black coat he has worn several times…with the collar up and the double row of buttons down the front. I remember he wore it in The Bishop Revival. I want one of those coats!

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            • LizW65 says

              Ha–I wore one of those Navy pea jackets all through high school, many years ago…and it was one of the warmest and most practical coats I ever owned. I highly recommend them. :D

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              • runpaceyrun says

                LizW65…..when i said i wanted one of those Navy pea coats that Peter has….i should have been more honest. I want one of those Navy pea coats WITH Peter in it!
                Its nice to have a light hearted conversation after having my heart ripped out during this episode. I just cannot watch it again. That was a tough one. I loved it…but i cried so much. I guess i am too attached to the characters in this awesome show…..not just their clothes!

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                • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

                  I love and want the pea coat too, but if Peter is IN the pea coat, you will have to fight me first!!!!

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                  • runpaceyrun says

                    ApplesBananasRhinocerous….oh you’ve made my day. I laughed when i read your comment. Our love for the pea coat and what is IN it obviously means that we both have impeccable taste. Im a lover not a fighter…so i guess we could share…..you could have the coat and i’ll have whats in it! How does that sound?
                    Im laughing as i type this….im also watching The Night Of Desirable Objects (for probably the 30th time) and making Fringe themed Christmas cards for all my friends. Guess who’s on the front of the card…and guess which coat he’s wearing?

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  24. woods says

    the guy who brought the lady back to life said “I brought back the wrong girl” just like peter brought back the wrong girl. I know at the end olivia was upset because he “looked into her eyes and it wasn’t her” but she didn’t mention the “bringing back the wrong girl part”

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    • runpaceyrun says

      Technically Peter didnt bring back the wrong girl…..William Bell did. He didnt mention to anyone that he had been knocked out before he came into the theatre with Altlivia. And given the urgency of the situation…he wouldnt have given it a second thought. As far as Peter was concerned he left Olivia out with William Bell and went to help Walter with the door stop device. And as far as Peter was concerned, Olivia had come back for him…to bring him back home. I know its just sematics but…its for me its important.

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    • Catherine says

      The whole idea that you can look into a person’s eyes and see her soul is an interesting one. Back in the summer, I think I recall reading that the producers were going to explore this idea of people sharing the same soul, or words to that effect. (Only on Fringe)

      In my opinion, Olivia is not reasonable to think that Peter should have been able to look into Bolivia’s eyes and see that her (Olivia’s) soul was not present. Peter (God bless him) was indeed a bit too blunt in his attempt to be honest with Olivia. She (Bolivia) is “quicker with a smile,” and “less intense,” and wanted to be “happier.” OUCH. Holy Molebaby, Peter! Here’s a shovel. Dig your grave a little deeper, boy!

      Peter has actually been here before. Walter took him from his universe/his parents and brought him to an alternate universe/faux-parents when he was seven or eight years old. Recall the scene from “Peter” when Walter was leading a sick child across the ice to kidnap/save him, and the boy said, “You’re not my father, are you?” (Did the fact that Walter’s a poor dresser give it away, kid?) Walter says, “Of course I am. Who else would I be?” Young Peter had been told that he was going to “Daddy’s work,” but instead of getting into the car, Walter was pulling him across the frozen lake.

      Aside from that scene on the lake, we have no indication that Peter understood what had happened to him. Even his nightmares about being kidnapped where explained away as simply bad dreams. The cure? “I will not dream tonight. I will not dream tonight. I will not dream tonight.”
      Evidently, at no time did Peter look into the eyes of his surogate mother or father and see that the souls of his actual parents were not there. How could he have, of course. He may have beaten Walter to admittance into St. Claire’s if he had.

      The love sick phycho in last Thursday’s episode was trying to bring a dead girl back to life. At funerals, I have noted how the body hardly looks like the person I knew. How much of what we see really is the spirit of that person manifesting through a body? The phycho’s mistake, I think, is believing that restoring the girl’s organs and shocking the body back to “”life” would bring HER (the soul/spirit) back after so much time. Evidently, it didn’t. Olivia, in her pain, drew a parallel to Peter’s not knowing that Bolivia was not her.

      The difference, I think anyway, is that the girl’s body was just a mass of functioning tissue, lacking ANY real soul/spirit. Bolivia had plenty of spirit.

      Being genetically identical means that Olivia and Bolivia essentially think alike. (see Olivia’s explanation to Alternate Broyles for why she thought that Walternate might have a sensory deprivation tank at Harvard just as Walter did.) The differences in ALL of the alternates has been explained as the compliation of choices made/the road not taken. At their core (soul?) they are the same people.

      On Fringe, Walter explained that the reason we experience deja vu, the feeling that we’ve been somewhere or have done something before, is because we have- in an alternate reality. Does that not imply that we may share, in essence, the same soul with “the other us” in the alternate reality?

      Forgive me for being wordy. I do think that Fringe broaches some facinating ideas though.

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      • number six says

        The whole thing about the eyes being windows to the soul is far from accurate. It doesn’t have any base in reality, but it makes for good fiction, particularly in romantic situations.

        Olivia’s position is that Peter should have seen the lack of Olivia’s essence in Altlivia’s eyes. However, Frank, Marilyn, Lincoln and Charlie, all of whom love Altlivia very much according to Olivia, were equally unable to detect the lack of Altlivia’s essence, when they looked into Olivia’s eyes. Granted, Olivia had Altlivia’s memories, but deep down she was still Olivia, as the show very clearly highlighted on many occasions.

        And then her accusation that he didn’t hold on to her, like she did with Projection Peter. I know it hurts and it’s difficult to accept, but that’s exactly, what he was basically doing with Altlivia, because he thought she was the real thing.

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        • Catherine says

          Well put, number six. I agree with you, of course. Peter had to let Olivia vent (all over him) though, because he does love her. She’s been through hell. She’s traumatized and in great emotional pain. I just hope Peter doesn’t take too much personally, although I am sure that he does. He failed to protect her. For that I suspect he is beating himself up.

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  25. Name says

    The Olivia/Peter fall out was beautifully executed, but I think the best scene was the Broyles/Olivia scene in his office.

    I think what the writers accomplished best with this episode, however, is the necessity of each character. They really demonstrated that no one character is expendable or replaceable.

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  26. fedorafadares says

    A small point, but one theme I see from time to time is divine/religious imagery related to Olivia.

    In previous episodes, we’ve seen: Olivia framed in a shot with a “halo” around her head, dressed in a maiden-like white hospital dress with a crown of wires around her head in the alt-verse, Altlivia giving Walter pastries from the “Divine Bakery” [translation from Portuguese] and other subtle, visual religious cues.

    In “Marionette,” there’s a lingering shot of Olivia walking in front of a large stained-glass window. The design is of a woman in a flowing robe surrounded by flowers and nature. Sort of a Mother Nature-like image. The shot is really of Walter watching Olivia walk beneath the window, but it felt deliberate (kind of like when that Sprint phone chat thing was happening.)

    Maybe I’m cuckoo, but it’s a theme that repeats in the series.

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    • cortexifan says

      No, I saw it as well. I’m kinda writing a review for me and a co-worker and I noted that that image has significants and will for sure show up in Roco’s review.

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  27. AnOlive says

    Anna Torv: Awesome, Amazing, Wonderful…..

    Great episode, a good way to explain the situation of Olivia: almost herself an organdonor, taken while she was alive, so comparison between the donorgirl and the those from whom the organs were taken while they were alive.
    the other comparison taht Olivia apparently is just exterior, like the dancer, only then to realise that her spirit was not behind her eyes.
    Loved the scene between Olivia and Broyles, Anna and Lance are so great together, looks like there will be more, since they have an extra bond through alt-broyles.

    Beautiful scenes by Anna Torv, her face how many expressions in one minute?Brilliant.

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  28. says

    I do hope that in the next episode or two they go back to that Selectric typewriter. They have a way of communicating and negotiating with Walternate now. Even if he won’t communicate with them, they at least need to figure out the way it works. The blue side needs to realize they are definitely at war and need to step up their game even if they are trying to come to a peaceful resolution.

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  29. Sid says

    This episode was very creepy (I remember watching a Criminal Minds episode that was eerily similar). We saw Olivia’s ‘lose it’ this episode – which is great to see, because she tends to be very stoic. And the Olivia/Peter scene at the end was brilliant. I don’t see Olivia and Peter getting together (I’m not a Olivia/Peter shipper, so this is just as well). I loved Anna in this episode.
    RE: the Observer’s comment about mistake – I think it’s Peter they’re referring to. Remember in Season 2 Finale – Bell said to Peter “You’re holding up surprisingly well” – so there was something about Peter’s health or something to that effect.
    All in all, a great character development episode.

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    • Ann_Louise says

      My husband and I wondered about that last comment by the Observer. Wasn’t Peter’s survival so important that he intervened in events preserve Peter’s life? Why would the fact that “he’s still alive” be a surprise? Is it just that – unexpected – or is Peter’s continued existence something the Oberservers need to “correct”?

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      • BklynBetty says

        When September saved Walter and Peter from the frozen lake, i believe he made Walter promise to never let Peter go back to the other side. When he did, September clued them in to the danger that he was in OT – related to the Sink Wave device. Maybe the mistake is related to the fact that This side is now putting together their own Sink Wave?? and that this development is inherently just as dangerous for Peter (and one or another Universe) Over Here as it would be Over There?? But, this doesn’t seem to have happened through anything that September had done….I don’t know…

        I am really curious as to what this mistake could be…

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  30. Anne from France says

    Oh Gosh. I’m just losing my words after this episode.
    I rated it 10-Best ever Fringe episode, simply because it mixed all the things I love in this show : amazing writing, perfect acting, great representation of the relationships between the characters, a great descent into the psychology of those characters, a really creepy MOTW, and a very good cliffhanger thanks to our beloved Observers.
    All the emotional moments were perfect. And I really thank the writers for how they handled the Peter/Olivia storyline. It was just the way it had to be.

    I dissolved into tears many times during this ep: the scene where Olivia is throwing away all her clothes and sheets (quite softly first and then with more and more fury till the worst when she finds Peter’s shirt in the washing machine); the scene with Astrid; of course the final scene in the garden (thanks writers for this!) with this absolutely heartbreaking Peter’s “I’m sorry”. But I have to say that, for me, the most moving moment, the one which made me cry the most is during the scene in the hospital cafeteria. Just the little moment when Olivia understands what Peter’s trying to tell her. When her smile is fading little by little because she understands he went with “the other one” where they’ve never been together. When she sees that Altliv has taken everything from her, including her love and so her heart. This very moment was so subtle, and Anna did it so perfectly, that I was just stuck on my chair, without moving a finger, tears running all over my face. How can I sleep after that?

    Thank you with all my heart Fringe writers and actors for offering us such a wonderful show, and I feel sure you still have incredible stories in store for us. I really can’t understand why the ratings are so low. Really, people are just blind (are they all in love? ;) )

    Now I just begin my detox :( Courage to all the fans during the hiatus and see you in 5 interminable weeks.

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    • runpaceyrun says

      Anne from France….that was beautifully said. I too cried so much during this episode. I thought it was a brilliant episode…but i cant watch it again. It just ripped my heart out. The most heart breaking moment for me was when Olivia left the garden at the end…..and Peter said “im sorry”. I cried and cried and cried. What an awesome show we love. I think i will need the 5 week break just to recover. Cant wait for the next episode.

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  31. Randy says

    All and all, this was one of the best episodes of any TV show of any generation. I’ve never seen a series where in the middle of the third or fourth season, they pull out a ‘Stairway to Heaven’ classic. This was one of those.

    All and all, the truth of the matter is that Peter needs Alt-Olivia, not the real one. The real Olivia is a person who needs no intimate relationships, perhaps a few one night stands (to cool off) and intense focus on her work. That’s just the way it is. Normal relationships tend to hurt the centering of the warrior mind where being a part of *the cause*, heart & soul, is all that life is about. Olivia has that and unfortunately, she’s in a situation where she’s the Joan of Arc of our planet. Queen Elizabeth the first also had to make that choice before her golden reign of England, no boyfriends, just casual sex.

    Albeit, Peter will continue to work with Olivia but it’s pretty much time to go platonic and head up to Montreal Gentlemen’s clubs for his down time, instead of taking Olivia out on dates. That’ll also keep him focused on saving the world as well.

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  32. Catherine says

    At the end of this episode, I wondered if Milo, I mean, Walternate allowed for the PO fallout in his “mission” for Bolivia? It took over two decades after his son was stolen from him before Walternate could cross over here and take Peter “home.” As soon as Walternate could, he came over here with his, “Hello, son,” (which beats, “I thought you’d be fatter.”) and took Peter back.

    Then Olivia and Walter cross over there, see Walternate’s, “Hello, son,” and raise with Olivia’s, “You belong with me.”

    It makes sense to me that Walternate would like to destroy all of Peter’s emotional ties to this side before he tries to get him back again. Now that Peter is disHEARTened, Walternate might think that he stands a better chance to keep his son this time. This is assuming that Walternate doesn’t really intend to kill Peter with that machine in order to insure that RED universe reigns. The drawing came from the Observers, and I doubt that they are on Walternate’s list of allies since September’s curiosity almost killed the Peter. (Again, disclaimer: Only if Walternate knows that all this mess was ultimately September’s fault.)

    Newton’s verbal jabs at Olivia and dying grin make me think that he had “orders” from Walternate of his own concerning Bolivia and Peter. Walternate is clearly able to readjust his plans as events occur. Note the quick strategy change when Olivia convinced Peter to leave for the theater soft spot.

    What do you think? The PO fallout…Walternate’s luck. strategy. or indifference?

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    • BklynBetty says

      I don’t know exactly how thought out Walternate’s plan was re Peter’s relationship with Olivia – but, I don’t think for a second that Peter’s reaction to hearing that Agent Dunham was there to see the Secretary (“Olivia’s here?!) was lost on him. Without batting an eye, instead of sending Altliv away, he had her sent in so they could meet (Peter and Altliv, I mean). He probably started weighing his options right then about how he could use their relationship to his advantage. Maybe initially he just thought she would be the person to help him acclimate to Over There – but, once our team came for him more possibilities must have presented themselves.

      I had sometimes wondered if Walternate’s very personal disdain for Ourliv was not only because she was from the Blue Universe, but also heightened by thinking that She was the reason that his son willfully deserted his “real” world and family. And, of course, Walternate is right – she Is why he went back.

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  33. FinChase says

    I was re-watching the episode tonight and I was struck by an image at the end of the garden scene. After Peter murmurs, “I’m sorry,” the camera slowly pulls out and reveals a third chair. It seemed like very deliberate placement. It occurred to me that perhaps this was meant to indicate that a third person had been present for this soul-searching conversation, in spirit at least: AltLivia She is like a specter haunting Olivia’s life and relationships now.

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    • Isa says

      Good point! It also called my attention that all chairs and the table are like skeletons, no flesh, just emptiness, probably very uncomfortable furniture. The table is actually hollow. It sustains something that is not even there.

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  34. says

    Wow, what a creepy and emotional episode!!

    I love the Astrid – Olivia interaction. They’ve always had a strictly professional relationship. Even though it was a bit awkward, Astrid pushed the envelope and did not let Olivia dismiss their conversation.

    Peter’s expression at the cafeteria bugs me a little. When he was describing Altlivia’s personality that is different than Olivia, he has this look of happiness that he was reminiscing over his lovely Altlivia. I know that Olivia is an intense person, but we have seen how light and full of laughter she is when she spends time with Ella, even when she spent time with Peter at the Bar. She has Altlivia’s qualities, just not being shown to everyone at all times. Olivia is a workaholic and she view things differently based on her life experiences and the experiments as a child. If you love someone, you love them for who they are, not for what they can or should be. I think Peter has a lot to go through if he wants to still pursue Olivia.

    The Creepy ballet scene is worth mentioning. Everything else was just gory, but this is something else.

    I love the end scene between Peter and Olivia. After she had an emotional breakdown at home, Olivia once again was hit with another realization moment from the Barrett guy. I love her gestures and facial expressions throughout the scene in the garden. When Peter touched her back to ask her if she is okay, Olivia moved forward a bit as if she was telling him.. don’t touch me. She’s definitely angry with the Peter and Altlivia ordeal, but I think she is also angry at herself for not having anyone cared enough for her to notice and the idea that the other Olivia might be a better version of her in some ways just bug the crap out of her. I’m so glad that she finally let it all out, and told Peter exactly how she felt. It was not a high school drama, but it was an adult venting to another adult. And I have to give it to Peter who took it all in and let her be. He definitely feels terrible, but thank God he has to come home to Walter who I’m sure put a smile on his face everytime he opens his mouth. I would hope that this is not to be classified as an “Assault” at the garden as the “Assault” at the pastry shop. :-)

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  35. Randy says

    “If you love someone, you love them for who they are, not for what they can or should be”

    Hmm… I think you’re talking about unconditional love. Typically, most persons have requirements and/or rules for their actual relationships. I don’t think the Peter-Olivia duo are soulmates, instead, they’re two soldiers caught in the fabric of the events which surround them. Theirs is a wartime romance and one which has difficulty in succeeding when the war ends.

    What Alt-Olivia offered was a type of post-war nuptial. A place where Peter could go, regardless of whether or not they were in a struggle for the survival of their planet. I doubt that Peter ever had a girlfriend like Alt-Olivia and thus, he was hooked from the start. Now, if Peter and Olivia reunite, then I’d say it was poor writing. The truth is that they were never meant to be.

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    • Catherine says

      Randy said: Now, if Peter and Olivia reunite, then I’d say it was poor writing. The truth is that they were never meant to be.

      I think that you’re going to be disappointed then. The producers have said that the Peter/Olivia relationship was always in their plans. If you watch Fringe from pilot to last episode, you can see the sparks and the buildup. I have studied good writing, majoring in English and Communications in college, and poor writing would be to have woven these characters together throughout the overarching story and then abandon that from here (mid-third season) to the end of the series. The Olivia/Peter relationship will continue in some form or fashion until the end. It will consumate either in a happy ending or a tragic one, but it will be consumated.

      By looking at “the pattern” of themes in Fringe episodes throughout, I see a possible ending to the series, but I hope that is not the way the writers go, because it would be a VERY tragic ending. In aggreement with little Ella in “Brown Betty”- after this much emotional investment in a story, I want a happy ending.

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  36. Randy says

    “It will consumate either in a happy ending or a tragic one”

    I never said it wouldn’t consummate, however, a tragedy would be appropriate. In a sense, Alt-Olivia and Peter watching ‘Casablanca’ together almost foreshadows it.

    I stand by my instinct… Peter and Olivia were never meant to be. Both individuals don’t derive their strengths from intimacy but actually revel in the lack of it. This is similar in tone to the relationship in ‘Ghost In The Shell’ where although Motoko and Batou have a lot in common, in terms of intelligence, police work, and even sexual tension, they never rise to the occasion as a result of their hidden feelings for one another.

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      • LizW65 says

        Plus, this would contradict the many hints we’ve had that the characters do, in fact, need each other–if not necessarily in a romantic sense, than to augment their own universe-saving strengths.

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        • Isa says

          And don’t forget: they have the same objetive now, which is to save both worlds (“There must be a way! There must be hope!” I even think both have said that in different episodes).

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          • Catherine says

            I’ve also noted that the people over here and the people over there tend to hook up with the same spouses. Could it be that Peter and Bolivia were meant to be soul mates? Olivia’s Peter, then, died as a child, but Red Universe Peter stands in as her substitute just as he stands to fill the gap for Walter. Do alternates somehow share the same soul?

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  37. number six says

    Are ballerinas the new scary clowns now? Oh my, that dancing corpse scene! It was so horrifying and fascinating and the same time, I couldn’t look away. I won’t forget that one in a long time.

    I have a few minor quibbles about this episode, like the contrivance of Olivia going back to work so soon, that awful product placement and the case not being exactly a Fringe case. Why were they investigating this one? Anyway, it served as parallel, so it remains a minor objection.

    The rest was amazing, but my favorite scene is the one, where Peter is going through the files suggesting possible suspects and being generally insensitive and Olivia being so passive aggressive. I loved it, because it’s so true to couples in real life having fights.

    I’m happy that Peter told her everything, the first opportunity he had. It was painful, but it needed to be done. Maybe because he didn’t expect, he would have to do it so soon, he was rather insensitive, when he seemed to compare Altlivia to Olivia. I know that he really wasn’t doing that, he was just explaining, how he thought, she was like that because of the relationship, but Olivia heard, what she wanted to hear and took it as a comparison to herself. OUCH! The sad thing is that Peter was right, Olivia would have been quicker with smiles because of their relationship, just look at her, when she arrived at the crime scene. Olivia needs professional counseling statt! I hope they don’t gloss over this, even if she has the need to continue working.

    I also enjoyed Olivia’s scene with Astrid. Poor Astrid was so uncomfortable, she’s just not used to be “seen” by Olivia, but you can always count on her to say the right words. If I was given the choice to keep one character from this show, I wouldn’t hesitate for one second, Astrid is my girl!

    I’ve noticed that Olivia has changed and I’m glad she did, because it wouldn’t have been realistic after her experiences over there. It’s not drastic, but it’s there. Maybe we’ll see her evolve a little after this. I hope she reclaims the things Altlivia took from her, instead of just accepting it.

    And then the final scene. I’m glad she told Peter everything she had in mind, fair or not, and I loved how Peter let her have her say without trying to justify himself. He knew it was over, before he told her the truth, but he needed to hear it from her. By the way, my boyfriend was laughing at her version of “How could you? I’d never do that to you!” MEN!!! My favorite part of the scene is when Olivia left Peter sitting there, almost crying, and the camera panned out to show a third chair representing Altlivia. Although Astrid was telling the truth about Peter’s feelings being about Olivia and not her doppelganger, both Olivia and Peter should have doubts, it’s only human.

    And now that we know, that Peter doesn’t belong with Olivia, will she look for another belonging?

    I loved the Peter/Walter scenes, those two have too much chemistry for words.

    “Do you think possibly they replaced her with a robot?” BWAH!

    Also, that cliffhanger? That’s cruel, show! I’m sure September (Welcome back!) was referring to Peter and I don’t like it at all.

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    • Anne from France says

      I agree on most of what you’ve said but… Not a Fringe case this one?? A man who continues to live after his heart’s been removed? Another who manages to reanimate a girl from the dead? Yeah ,you’re right, not fringie at all, such an everyday life case ;)

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    • Isa says

      number six: “I’ve noticed that Olivia has changed and I’m glad she did, because it wouldn’t have been realistic after her experiences over there. It’s not drastic, but it’s there.”

      Yes, me too. She was smiling a lot during the first scenes. When Walter said “Lady Fortuna has smiled upon us”, she opened a big smile, she was really happy to be back with the team. When she was talking to Broyles at his office she even made a joke about Walternate being very close to know how to cross sides safely. She actually sounded a lot like Altlivia. She then tried a little talk with Astrid and at the end she has very direct with Peter, even though she was not really rational. I was glad she made “accusations” based on her emotions, and not on her reasonings.

      Since Anna has been so subtle about her acting this season, really paying attention to little details, I’m betting these changes are intentional. I really hope we can see more of that.

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        • Isa says

          Not only that. I think she was really happy to be back home. What is ironic is that in the end, if she was to be in a relationship with Peter, like Altlivia, she would probably be “quicker with the smile and less intense”, at least in regard to their relationship. So when Peter made excuses about Altlivia acting differently because of him, because of their relationship, I think he was close to what Olivia would actually be. That’s tragic, actually. Because the thing is, Peter was holding to Olivia, he so wanted to be with her, like Olivia was doing to Projection Peter Over There. He wanted to make her happy, and she looked happy. He believed he had made her happier. Isn’t it what we want in a relationship? It may be just plain proud, but it actually feels good to believe you made the other a better person, at least happier. That you had that influence over the other person, that your love and your presence are going to make the other person feel better. I don’t think Peter wants a different Olivia, but he definitely wants a happier Olivia. That’s natural. That’s human. And that’s why I can understand both Olivia and Peter right now, and that’s why I can see them together as couple in the future.

          The only thing I find a contrivance now is the fact that I don’t think Olivia would be “quicker with the smile and less intense” when investigating. She would still be very driven and the team should have seen this. But, ok, I guess that’s old news now.

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  38. Andy Gardiner says

    I thought the dancing ballerina scene was the funniest thing I’ve seen for a while, it had me in stitches. I really couldn’t careless for the relationship between Olivia and Peter, having said that, I do believe after looking into her eyes he should have realised it wasn’t our Liv. In my opinion this was the worst episode ever, and I’ve watched it from the start.

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  39. LizW65 says

    This may be a little off-topic, but this afternoon I was watching the restored version of Fritz Lang’s “Metropolis” and I was struck by the number of subtle similarities in theme and plot that it has to “Fringe.”

    There’s the obvious theme of technology run amok, contrasted with an underworld filled with religious imagery and a savior in the form of a beautiful woman who hopes to reconcile the two “worlds” of the workers who do the actual labor, and the scientists/engineers who dream the impossible. At one point, the woman, Maria, is replaced by an evil android duplicate who proceeds to wreak havoc on the world by attempting to start a war between the blue-collar and white-collar factions.

    Then there are the characters, who have similar counterparts in the Fringe world–you could almost say that Walter, Walternate, Peter, Olivia, and Alt-Liv are versions of the mad scientist Rotwang, executive Joh Frederson, his son Freder, Maria, and Robot!Maria, respectively. Ultimately, it is Freder’s heart that provides the middle ground between the two worlds of the story, much as many of us suspect that Peter’s heart will, at least figuratively, have a role to play in reconciling the two universes. Anyway, I thought this was interesting, even though it doesn’t really relate specifically to this episode.

    Has anyone else seen this movie, and what did you think?

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  40. Fringee says

    This is such a late comment for this episode but I had to go away for the weekend (had no internet access) and had to bear with watching Marionette in a very small screen in the car. This is one creepy episode but astounding, nevertheless. I loved how the case they were working on manifested Olivia’s feelings. And it was funny how Peter would react to certain words Olivia would mention (ie. dating). The scene Olivia-Astrid and Olivia-Peter (ending) scenes were just heartwrenching.

    The last two episodes had been very depressing for me. This one made me cry buckets of tears. My hubby had to comfort me and told me it’s natural for Olivia to react that way and he’s sure it’s not the end of both of them. It is just painful to see Olivia breaking down while Peter didn’t seem to know what to do.

    Well, cheers to another 6 tormented weeks for us before seeing the light (Firely)!!!

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  41. Jimi says

    This was one of the best episodes of the season! It had a lot of really touching moments, fantastic acting and a really amazing script! These 5 weeks are gonna be really looong!

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  42. fringefan2009 says

    This is my favorite episode this season. Olivia’s emotional response. Anna’s acting was brilliant. The creepiness of the episode, the make up, everything was perfect. I think this is as close to perfect of an episode thus far, in my opinion.

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