Fringe Episode 3.08 Entrada


LIVES AND WORLDS ARE IN JEOPARDY ON AN ALL-NEW “FRINGE” THURSDAY, DECEMBER 2, ON FOX

Peter grapples with the aftermath of recent events as Olivia desperately searches for an ally. Meanwhile, the Fringe Team discovers a critical device that communicates between universes in the all-new “Entrada” episode of FRINGE airing Thursday, Dec. 2 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR 3.08) (TV-14 D, S, V)

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth

Guest Cast: Ryan James McDonald as Alternate Brandon; Karen Holness as Diane Broyles; Luke Camilleri as Luke; Seth Gabel as Lincoln Lee.

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      • runpaceyrun says

        Im with you BklynBetty…..Altlivia having a conscence or feelings….ha, dont make me laugh! She is vomit worthy!

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      • real1 says

        I think it’s just a cover plan for her !! remember the typewriter Walternate did say to her to work on Peter and then to work on Walter . see how she was looking at Alt-Broyles place at fringe division , she want to take that place ….. no I don’t buy it and Peter will be stupid again if he will believe her IMO .

        Shit!!!! the poor Olivia can’t reset and Peter isn’t worthy for her .

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        • Paladinobr says

          I think the same about Peter and I don’t think he’ll be able to prove that he deserves to be with Olivia in a romantic way after everything that happened but I’m hoping to see a friendship at some point in the future between them.

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      • Name says

        It may not be romantic feelings; could just be an emotional investment/attachment to our side now. She’s seen through Peter that there are good people here.

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        • BklynBetty says

          “It may not be romantic feelings; could just be an emotional investment/attachment to our side now. She’s seen through Peter that there are good people here.”

          Yes, possibly. But, i don’t know how we are supposed to take her seriously when she uttered some of the most cliche words ever; “This may have started as an assignment…blah, blah, blah…” I mean, really? And, even if she does think well of him, who knows how exactly that reflects for her on the rest of Over Here, since technically, he should be one of them – and she might reason that to herself to make whatever sympathy she *might* have for him…

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            • Name says

              God, I hope not. That’d be jumping the shark a bit, since now the writers need to move full force into the First People arc, Our Olivia’s deconstruction and reconstruction, and so on. There’s no time (or place) for an inter-universal pregnancy that would just be pointless angst.

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          • Name says

            True, true. He is from her side rather than ours, and she could use that as an excuse. But this argument of hers would be completely undercut by the fact that despite being kidnapped from “their” side, Peter made a conscientious choice to side with ours. A conscious choice is far more powerful than loyalty due to accident of birth (location).

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        • Catherine says

          Personally, I think that both Olivia and Peter will continue to have “romantic”‘ feelings for each other. Heck, I’ve watched some of season one this week, and you can see that little spark glowing way back in the beginning. Olivia will be in so much pain and confusion for awhile that she may put their relationship on a “just friends” basis until she does some healing.

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          • Ann_Louise says

            Well, late to the party, but love all the great comments and reactions. My thought on seeing that strips of pix? Imagine Poor Frank, chopping away at those expensive avacados, brewing that oh-so-rare-coffee for his sweetheart, not knowing what she’s got tucked in her backpack’s hidden pocket.

            I laughed out loud when Walter called her “Mata Hari” – that’s one of the less nasty things I’ve been calling her for weeks!

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  1. chiquitanikkicita says

    Great episode… I think what really got me, though, was the preview for next weeks episode where Olivia is tearing the sheets off the bed (to be burned, I’m assuming), and tearing her room apart before she just breaks down… Poor girl just can’t seem to catch a break…

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    • Alex says

      Me too!!! So heartbreaking – her life is just one mess after another but I guess we have to be grateful because it’s made her who she is, and quite frankly there aren’t enough strong female leads liker her around

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    • real1 says

      Ok ! add me to this breakingheart ! i can’t stop watching it … poor poor pooor Olivia …. I think Peter should work hard to fix her heart , not to give up .

      And I hate hate Alt-olivia :) …. Anna Torv is very excellent actress .. this woman is amazing , she is a school of acting .

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      • bdp says

        I know. That preview was so heartbreaking I almost wish I hadn’t seen it. Obviously I can’t wait for next week but at the same time I’m dreading it, it’s gonna be hard to watch Olivia go through that.

        However I’m of the opinion that that’s also why I think this shouldn’t be done as the end for Peter & Olivia. I want to see both of the characters happy in the end and I think they’re happiest together. So sure they’ve got a big obstacle to overcome now but Peter obviously loves Olivia, just looking at the ending last night and Olivia obviously still loves Peter if she’s that torn up about what happened. They’re just going to need time and Peter’s going to have to work his ass off to fix it.

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        • Ann_Louise says

          I think Peter will tell her flat out wht happened. Maybe he now believes that however painful, he knows the pain of being lied to is much worse. After realizing the truth, Peter seemed to be very ashamed of his actions, and I can see him telling Olivia the truth, and then giving her time to deal with that knowledge.
          There has been too much build up, to abandon Peter and Olivia now. After their experiences Over There, their bond can become even stronger.

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  2. Rich says

    Let me guess…

    Our Broyles somehow gets to the other universe and “the alt-wife” becomes a story arc….a la Ben Sisko and alternate Jennifer Sisko romance. Looks like a win-win situation unless Walternate uses an exploitation tactic.

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    • Pam says

      You know what! Exactly my thoughts too…especially seeing Broyles standing over Alt-broyles body, it was almost as if it was written all over….I would love for Broyles to move to the red-verse and be a father to Christopher there – whether or not Alt-Broyles wife accepts him.

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  3. Page 48 says

    An absolutely studly showing by Broylenate this week. I hope/trust that Olivia will make his contribution known to all on ‘our’ side and eventually to his family. Hey, a plaque would be nice.

    Alt-Liv is so far down the road to Hell in my books, that I just don’t see how she can come back from this. And I so wanted her to open her eyes, come to her senses and salvage what was left of her soul, but I’m really beginning to wonder if she had one to begin with. I look forward to her learning about the fate of her Col. Broyles and the part she played in his demise. And to what end?

    We’ve got the better Olivia, they had the better Broyles.

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    • runthegamut says

      Which isn’t to say that our Broyles is bad. He’s still a good guy, but it is difficult to picture him sacrificing himself like that.

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      • Pierce says

        I don’t know, I believe our Broyles would make the exact same sacrifice for our Olivia, too.

        I can’t even imagine what must have been going through his mind seeing his disfigured, dead body lying in the back of that van. How does one go about processing the series of events that led to that moment? Do you grieve the loss personally, or as a familar but confused stranger? Are you angered?

        There was so much to love about this episode, but I have to admit, seeing Broyles encountering Broylesnate’s maimed and charred body about broke my heart. It was so shocking, despite the fact that I sort of expected it. However, I wasn’t quite prepared to see it, or to witness Broyles mourning over his dopplegangers body.

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        • Owl says

          They do have a soft spot for Olivia, but I understood Broylenate’s even more because he was so grateful for what she did for Christopher, and the other children the Candyman put in danger.
          I was also thinking that it would be much harder for Broylenate to sacrifice himself when his wife and child were at home, but I’d like to believe he made the choice for “hope”, for a better future for them and all the other citizens, of both worlds, whether he believed Olivia could deliver that or not.

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      • Page 48 says

        “He’s still a good guy, but it is difficult to picture him sacrificing himself like that.”

        I agree, and yet it was Broylenate who had the wife and kid waiting for him at home, so you would think maybe he would be the one less likely to give himself up with little more than faith and guilt to base his decision on.

        Our Broyles might step up if he had to as well, but he seems to hang back a lot more like he’s not sure what to do next. Broylenate was more “heroic”, as noted in the scene where we found out that his drinks were on the house. He may have felt that extra burden of responsibility to his citizenry, so while our Broyles may toil just as honourably, he does so in relative anonymity, and therefore, maybe with less pressure to take bold action.

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  4. cortexifan says

    Finally was able to get on the site.
    Did Olivia guess Broylenate was going to die, cause if she finds out it’s going to be very sad.
    Epic episode. Great performance again by Anna Torv.
    LOL at Walters comment Peter playing right into Bolivia’s Agenda (not the word he used) and not realizing he had been with the wrong woman for 3 days.
    The clip for next week got to me too. When she broke down in “Olivia” in the gas station they didn’t really show that. But now they are showing it which makes it even more heart breaking.
    Didn’t expect Bolivia to cross over so fast and she sure didn’t waste any time getting that red hair back.
    I’ve already watched it 3 times and still feel like I missed half of it. Can’t wait for next week.

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    • real1 says

      and how Alt-Olivia can cross over without hurting ?

      Olivia did cry for scott , the second when she was lucked in the other universe .. the third …….. , what can i say .. poor Olivia .

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    • Pam says

      Yeah, Walter was hilarious in this episode and I absolutely loved him – John Noble brought out so well that Walter was pissed at himself for both having missed seeing Alt-Liv as well for not being able to figure out a way to get her back.

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  5. says

    So good.

    Joshua Jackson’s finest moments. Broyles closing his own eyes got a “holy S—-” from me.

    My one comment after viewing the episode, and just in general since about the middle of season two, I am absolutely floored by how well the writers deal with continuity. So many references to past episodes every week, tying everything together, letting no old episode go to waste. It really makes you feel like it’s all one story and every piece was important. The cases from seasons one and two on the computer, the way Altlivia crossed over, the growing picture of the shifters, the typewriter, the lame man, all of it. I know it’s not perfect and there are some holes and dropped threads from time to time, but stacked up against any sci fi show with a sprawling mythology (Lost, BSG, X Files) I defy you to find a show that does it with better care than Fringe.

    So good.

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    • Catherine says

      Fringe is awesome. The writers and actors and all the others who work to put this show together ought to be very proud of their work, regardless of the ratings. I still don’t understand the low ratings. Fringe is a rare, quality show.

      I agree, of course, that Joshua Jackson’s performance in “Entrada” was outstanding. Anna Torv, Lance Reddick, and John Nobel did incredible work as well, but I have to give a thumbs up for my favorite. :) The plot and the character offerings of “Entrada” left me quite satisfied.

      The last scene and the previews for next week were so sad. My first thought at a distraught Olviia tearing the covers off of her bed?

      CLASSIFIED: For Sale. Bed and Bedding. Real cheap. Call Olivia Dunham, FBI.

      Loved Walter’s new word: vagenda. And so very accurate too.

      I think that Peter has yielded to the idea of Walter as his father choice now. Look at the alternative. Yikes!!! Yes, Peter, definitely be a better man than your father (Walternate). It shouldn’t be hard. Also, if I could have crawled through the tv and slapped Brandonate Thursday night, I would have.

      I suspected that Alternate Broyles would be the casualty. RIP hero. Henry, lie really really low.

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  6. real1 says

    amazing episode , but am wondering .. why Walternate didn’t change the codes of DOD ? it was the same even when he was knowing that Olivia did broke it twice ?

    I would like to give it 10/10 …. but am going with 9.99 :)

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    • runthegamut says

      I thought about that too. They changed the harbor patrol, but left the codes?? Come on now. Any high security facility does that regularly even without multiple breaches. But in the grand scheme of the episode, that was minor.

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      • Pierce says

        I’m going to assume when they brought her back in, she took note of the new code just as she did the time she broke out the last time. Photographic memory and all.

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          • LMH says

            She also appeared to have memorized how to work the computers controlling the alt SD Tank by watching Brandonate (no sympathy for you buddy!) and Walternate perform their tests on her.
            She’s just that amazing.

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  7. Alison says

    Great episode! As usual. But I am so confused as to why Alt-Broyles was sent to our side. I saw no point. To have crossed over in place of Altlivia he would have had to have been in that exact same place in the other universe. Also isn’t the whole mass ratio messed up now because Alt-Broyles is now on our side? Is anyone else wondering the same thing or is it just me?

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    • Tom17 says

      I’m not sure but I thought Alt-Broyles had some limbs missing, maybe they amputated them so he’d have olivia’s mass?

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    • Ario says

      I was thinking that for awhile too, then I clued in :)

      Walternate’s method for crossing over involves the exchange of two people/things of equal mass. Originally they were going to exchange the Olivias. With Our Olivia out of the picture they still needed someone of equal mass to exchange with Altlivia and so they sent altBroyles, minus some limbs to make him equal mass. That and it sent a hell of a message to our people Over Here.

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      • physicsgirl says

        I’m still having a hard time understanding how Alt-Broyles came over. From Jacksonville, we know that the two buildings that crossed over were in different locations. So I could buy Alt-Liv being replaced by Alt-Broyles even though they were in completely different cities. If the transfer mass was randomly selected, the chance of Alt-Broyles being chosen out of all matter on Alt-Earth is 0. So Alt-Broyles being sent over *had* to be a choice made by someone (Walternate).

        This would mean Over There could spontaneously pick anything to transfer, because there certainly wasn’t enough time to prep Alt-Broyles body for transfer like Alt-Liv got in the train station bathroom. From the cuts back and forth between universes, only minutes went by between Olivia’s arrival (and Alt-Broyles shoot out) and Alt-Liv’s beaming out of the police truck. Did the gun crew arrive at the lab with orders to kill Alt-Broyles and prep his body for transfer? Or maybe once Alt-Broyles was taken out, a last minute decision was made to use Alt-Broyles’ tracking chip to tag his body for transfer.

        Either case doesn’t sit well with me because the transfer process sounds too complicated to be able to change the plans in so little time. Brandonate sounded a bit peeved that he was told to quickly find a way to narrow the transfer point to a person-sized region.

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    • Jimbo says

      I don’t think they removed parts of Alt-Broyles to equal Alt-Livia’s mass. I think that only the correct amount of Alt-Broyles mass came though and the rest was left at the scene Over There.

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      • Ario says

        Good point, although I think the arm that was removed was the arm that had the tracking device in it. If they did chop ole Broyles up, the decision to take that arm over the other could have been based on preventing the device from getting into our hands. On the other hand, the device was small and they could have just taken that out.

        I’m not sure why I like the idea of them mutilating the body, but it just seems so sinister and cold. Unusual, because I really like Over There, and will seriously miss them, if we don’t get to see them as much in coming episodes.

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      • Name says

        No, they removed the limbs to send a message and to extract Altlivia. Before I get into why though, there’s another plot hole (but who cares because the episode was AWESOME):

        If we’re following the “balanced universe” rules, then there should be another exchange in order because our Olivia crossed on her own, and Alt-Olivia replaced her. The Alt-Broyles exchange was unnecessary. Technically, something else from our side should be pulled over to replace him….

        As for why Broyles was murdered, and not in an accident, consider the following:

        1)The universe would’ve selected a whole object (since that’s what it’s done in past episodes), not ripped apart another in order to compensate.

        2)Alternate Broyles was dead on arrival; a couple missing limbs doesn’t kill you, just maims and tortures you. This means they killed him before or after removing his limbs. Either way, he was “selected.”

        3) When Alternate Broyles was arrested, he was in Boston, MA not Newark, NJ, where Altlivia was on our side. When things cross between universes, and the universes seek balance, the object closest in mass and location/distance to the exchanged object on the other side will be exchanged. For example, the building on the other side from Jacksonville was replaced by the hotel from our side because it was closest in mass and closest in location from where the red universe building had appeared on our side.

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        • edgesight says

          It didn’t matter where Altivia was since she had the harmonic resonators in her. Alternate Broyles’ body just adjusted to the location from where he started. He may have had the same implants put in too. I think they removed his limbs because the idea was mentioned about doing it to Olivia and that idea seemed so bizarre that they actually had to do it to someone for the visual shock value.

          On a side note, the implants in Altivia’s hands reminded me of the discs from the first season. Maybe just a coincidence or could they be First People locators?

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          • Name says

            It didn’t matter where Alt-Livia was, but it matters where Alt-Broyles was. But you bring up a good point; they could’ve implanted harmonic resonators in him.

            I think the discs in the first season were just information chips, since Massive Dynamic, specifically Nina, knew how to and the necessity of retrieving the info stored on them, but who knows. MD knows everything.

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            • cortexifan says

              Yes, the harmonic rods were the key. With them implanted in the objects it doesn’t matter where they are. As for balance required when Olivia crosses over: I think because she is the gatekeeper and the one being able to safely travel, not just once or twice, between worlds, that rule doesn’t apply to her.

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              • says

                It seems that the balance thing only needs to happen when using Walternate’s non-cortexifan type of crossing. As we obviously saw in the S2 finale, the Olivia’s were fighting each other and the universe wasn’t ripping apart or pulling same-mass peope to the the blue universe to tidy up the balance. And maybe the mass for mass thing is to keep the fabric of the universe stable so another hole is not created. It seems though that with cortexifan, no holes, no mass for mass balance issues, etc. which is why Walternate was so excited to get a hold of Olivia’s ability.

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  8. Alex says

    Not as good as I’d anticipated it – but still a great episode.

    - So sad to see Alter-Broyles go, having our Broyles see his own body was haunting and fantastic – gave me chills

    - Peter: I expected a little more emotion from him, but he kind of just kicked into action like it was any other mission. Come on Peter! Where’s your fury? Where’s you self-loathing? You have been sleeping with the wrong girl after all…I guess that will come next episode (speaking of which, seeing Olivia break down and remove her sheets in the promo broke my heart)

    - Olivia: Oh, Olivia. The moment in Broyles’ conversation with her in her cell when he stood to leave and she tried to pull him back…Oh my goodness. Totall tore me up. Congrats again, Anna.

    - AltLiv: I know she had the photobooth pictures in her bag, but I don’t buy it. She has Frank at home and this was all just a mission to save her world. She seems like too much of a cocky, driven, ambitious person to let herself fall for a guy on a mission. I think she was still trying to play him.

    - Astrid – total legend with the bakery details! Her seeing Olivia cross over was a beautiful moment of triumph – loved it

    - The last scene: heartbreaking. Olivia’s all nice to Peter about how Projection Peter helped her, and she says he doesn’t need to apologise, but the poor girl has no idea what she’s in for. Poor thing – going through hell Over There only to return find that her “only hope” slept with the other her.

    All in all, great action-packed episode but not enough focus on the emotions of the characters in between, I think.

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  9. runpaceyrun says

    I just finished watching Entrada on download…and yey i can finally get onto Fringebloggers. I was so looking forward to this episode and it didnt let me down. But i do think i overdosed on the previews though. I wont be doing that again.
    I am just so happy to have Olivia back. I can finally get some sleep. I loathe Altlivia with a passion….to me she has NO redeeming qualities at all. But thats just my opinion. I predicted that AltBroyles would be the one to die. It was sad that he had to die because i really liked him…he had a conscience ….. and i certainly hope that AltLivia finds out the part she had to play in his demise. She better watch out…because if she ever develops a conscience (as if) and Walternate finds out…well we can all guess what would happen to her then!
    I shed a tear or 2 right at the end because i know that heartache and pain are soon to follow (and yes i know im hopeless) …..and then we have to wait until almost the end of January 2011 to see the rest. Pure and utter torture!!!!!
    I loved every minute of Entrada……Peter’s finally back to his old self, Walter was at his foodie best, Astrid popped up with a little gem to lead the team in the right direction…and bravo to both Broyles. Brandonate however…….just creeped me right out. I can see why Walternate likes him so much. Two of a kind! People are disposable commodities to them……they really show all the signs of believing they are at war!
    I have now added a new word to my dictionary…’vagenda’. Walter…you are and always will be …. simply AWESOME! And the writer/s who came up with that should be given an EMMY award for that line alone! Hilarious.
    The few times that Walter was in tonights episode were wonderful…..we are hopefully getting back to the very heart of the show and the very reason i watch…..the father, son relationship. I do hope that all roads lead back to Walter and Peter becoming close again! John and Josh portray these characters so well. I adore them both.
    Loved Entrada….and cant wait for next weeks pain and heartache.

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  10. Alex says

    Also, I’m a little confused. I thought this was the last ep for the year but the Marionnette promo says it’s next week. Can anyone clear this up for me please?

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    • runpaceyrun says

      Yep Marionette is the last ep for this year. Fringe will be back on FringeFridays as of 28th Jan 2011.
      Not that im happy about the wait!

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        • runpaceyrun says

          Alex…..i love and adore Josh Jackson. The name just popped into my head….so i went with it. The ‘run’ part in the name may be what Josh would have to do if i ever saw him!

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  11. says

    Hooray! Olivia is back home! :D Well done Olivia, great job Peternate!
    I’m sad for the loss – i should say sacrifice – of Broylenate, the familyman with high values, i’m sad he’s gone.
    Walter and the term of the year: “vagenda”. LOL LOL
    The Springsteen stadion? Wow! Bruce must be ‘The Boss’ in both universes.

    But: what about that digital clock that pops up in both universes???
    And: why is that clock always going from 3:59 to 4:00 when something is about to happen?
    Check all season 3 episodes for that red digital clock, you’ll see.

    Now that both universes have reshuffled the deck once again, the mayor question is: how far is the coming war away? How long before – in either universe – the final battle begins to anihilate one of the universes?
    I think that question will be answered very soon, by The Observers themselves.

    Olivia believes there’s a way for both universes to co-exist.
    Broylenate believed it so much, he gave up his life for it.
    Walter (and Walternate) will have lots of knowledge to put together the last pieces of the puzzle.
    But the Observers/Watchers (and/or the First People) have answers. That’s what we need next: answers.

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    • runpaceyrun says

      Oh, Observer1 I hadnt noticed the red clocks in every episode…just some. What an excuse to go back and rewatch all the eps for probably the 6th time. That will go on my Saturdays ‘vagenda’ …of things to do! What would we do without Walter…he’s simply brilliant!

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    • FinChase says

      I’m still astonished they got “vagenda” past the network censors! I almost fell out of my chair laughing.

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    • Page 48 says

      Springsteen Station, isn’t that out on Thunder Road near The River, where you go to catch the Down Bound Train. It’s Open All Night, isnt’ it?

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  12. Anjali says

    Such a great episode.
    The scene between Olivia and Altbroyls in the scene. – Give this woman an emmy. NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anna was perfect in this episode. Just perfect.
    RIP AltBroyles… you are an awesome person, no matter which universe you’re from.
    Next week, oh my, seems that olivia may have an emotional breakdown. Poor girl, she just needs to let it all out!!

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  13. Nick says

    awesome episode and the very best way to start my friday. from next week’s preview with olivia tearing up sheets i think we are in for one of the more emotional episodes. that, and the unresolved ‘feelings’ between peter and alt-livia. she said it started as an assignment but became something more, and you could almost see peter wanting to believe that when he looked at the pictures from her bag (maybe he did believe it). and when alt-livia gets back to the other side when whats his name says he recovered and looks like nothing ever happened, there’s almost disbelief in her face that the only thing that changed while she was away was her.

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    • Pierce says

      Parallels within parallells. Olivia is abducted, altered by being infused with false memories, yet her life is lived by someone else, and everyone goes on without her. It will change her forever. The alternate Olivia leaves willingly, perpetrates anothers life, sets events in motion for a war, returns home and has to pretend nothings changed, including herself.

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      • runpaceyrun says

        Pierce……there is no doubt that Olivia will be changed by what has happened to her. She’s been through so much. Her experiences up until now have changed her…but this, well this could be life altering! As for Altlivia….i loathe her, so i dont really care about how she feels. She has caused so much harm over here that at this point in time i do not believe she has any feelings or conscience at all. She took the photos with her….they could simply be proof to the Secretary that she was with him. Although i would love to see how the writers play out Altliv seeing Frank again. Frank doesnt know that Altliv was gone…..but she knows where she’s been and what she’s done!
        Im also very interested in how the Secretary will explain AltBroyles being gone. I think Scarlie will be a little wary of any explainations offered and i also think he will see slight differences in Altliv. He seems to be more clued into whats happening than Lincoln.Lincoln likes Altliv so he will see nothing…..which could be the alt-universes ‘love is blind’ thing that happened with Peter.

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  14. Sanj says

    Awesome episode, thank god Olivia is “back home.” Was getting a little tired of the alt-universe episodes! And Broyles…wow, man. And alt-Brandon…man, that’s one cold, cold guy.

    My only question is, who is the Fred Rogers guy at the end? Another shapeshifter, obviously. Or is he? I got a little confused with the “your people” references going on. altLiv said “your people” to the shape-shifter. But the typewriter guy said “your people” to altLiv. Was he a shapeshifter, or did he assume altLivia was?

    So now we know the shapeshifters are on a one-way journey.

    The Mr. Rogers shapeshifter sure had a reverence for the device.

    And awesome use of the greek phrase from the beginning of season TWO as a means to smoke out altLivia.

    Roll on Fringe Fridays!

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    • Alexia says

      When Altlivia said your people to the shapshifter,she ment the shapeshifters.
      When the typewrite dude said your people to Altlivia,he ment people from over there.

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    • edgesight says

      The shapeshifter also mentioned that he dreams about the other side, but did he dream of electric sheep?

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      • says

        I think the Mr. Rogers guy is one of the First People. That would explain his reverence for the object. I suspect that the First People and their knowledge (especially for medicine) are known and employed in the other universe which would explain why they are so advanced in that area.

        Interesting that the shapeshifters only have a one-way ticket.

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  15. Fringee says

    I just finished watching the episode and… I cried in the end! Peter’s look on his face broke my heart and Olivia’s words were so touching. Hu hu hu!

    Hu hu hu! An Emmy for Anna Torv, please!!! Hu hu hu!

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    • runpaceyrun says

      Oh Fringee..im glad someone else cried. I did too. I feel so bad for Olivia and Peter. Its all going to hit the fan now!
      And i absolutely agree with you….Anna Torv is absolutely EMMY worthy.

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      • Fringee says

        runpaceyrun, I’m sure a lot of us shed a tear or two. I really felt so bad for both of them. There might be more crying in the next episode when Olivia breaks down.

        You’re from Down Under, right? Been there twice and hope to be back there again next year. I love the place and the people!

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        • runpaceyrun says

          Well Fringee…if you are ever in melbourne we should meet up. Its not often i get to talk to fellow Fringe freaks like myself. And yes…i expect tears by the bucket load in the next episode….but i cant wait! God i so love Fringe!

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          • Fringee says

            Yes, we should! We stay in Perth but got family in Melbourne, too! Ha ha! Can’t wait for the next episode!!!

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  16. edgesight says

    Observation:

    Lingg Eye Group sign from last episode, L.E.G., may refer to the crippled guy at the end or Alternate Broyles situtation.

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    • LMH says

      Nice! Thanks I forgot about that. I’m glad that the secret typewriter message from the Fox website about the other side having powers of regeneration came into play here. And I think it will likely be something important in the next episode since it seems to be about someone who is bringing people back from the dead.

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    • Count Screwloose says

      That’s it for sure. I figured the highlighted first letters meant they were aiming at “leg,” but completely forgot about it last night!

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  17. Vanessa says

    OH MY GOD!!!!!that was fantastic, but i’m kinda sad, becuase the other Broyles is dead, he died in a mission to save/ rescure our olivia. While i saw his body i thought about Christopher and his wife. that is sooo sad. but he died as a hero, he did the right thing and i hope that all the others will understand.

    Now i’m even more excited, i’m really lookng for next week, poor olivia she breaks down, after Peter told her everything (i suppose) she had suffered soo much and now that….

    Nevertheless I LOVE Fringe, i really really do.

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  18. LizW65 says

    Okay, first things first: which one of you crashed the server last night? :D

    Excellent episode, plenty of tension, though it felt a bit rushed at the end. It really would have benefited from being a two-parter, or even having the extra five minutes of the Season One eps. Great acting all round, especially from Anna Torv, and it was good to see Peter finally get his brain back; awesome moment toward the end when he took out the shapeshifter. It really seems as though a happy and relaxed Peter loses several IQ points, doesn’t it? It’s only when he’s miserable and under stress that the old brain box starts to kick into gear.

    The part I really didn’t buy into at all was Alt-Olivia’s escape from “her” apartment and the whole paralyzing drug thing; she and Peter must both know that he is absolutely the LAST person she would be allowed to kill, and I think he ought to have called her bluff. I mean really–Mr. Secretary’s long lost son, AND the only one (that we know of, anyway) who can power the Doomsday Machine? Not exactly an expendable bystander.

    The security access code for the DOD building didn’t bother me though, as theoretically Broyles could have told Olivia the new one if they changed. But why wasn’t Typewriter Guy taken into custody? They should have locked him in a cell and grilled him for all he was worth.

    I give this one a ten for acting; eight for logic.

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    • bdp says

      I’m glad you pointed out Altlivia’s escape. I thought the exact same thing while that scene was happening. I mean I enjoyed the scene immensely, as I did the whole episode, but I still was sitting there thinking “OK she knows she can’t kill Peter and he’s gotta have a pretty good idea of that too.” It wasn’t something that ruined the episode for me or anything but I too feel he should have called her bluff on that one, or at least maybe thought about doing so.

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      • LMH says

        Agreed, it bothered me a little but then I thought she still could have shot him in a non lethal way to protect herself (despite that it might cause her problems with Walternate). Also, Peter does not know if Walternate truly cares for him or just wanted to use him, and (as pointed out I think in “The Box”) whether Walternate needs him anymore. If I was confused about any of those and she was pointing a gun at me, I would take the paralytic drug. I thought Peter with his slight of hand skills would fudge the dosage and pretend to be fully incapacitated to give himself an advantage. Guess not.

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        • runpaceyrun says

          Right at that point in time Peter was thinking of no else except Olivia. He would willingly do as he was told. He just wanted to get her back unharmed. I say bravo to Peter for doing that.

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        • bdp says

          Yea I can understand why he chose the drugs. I would have done the same and in the end I wouldn’t expect him to take such a huge chance while having a gun pointed at you. That’s why the whole thing didn’t bother me that much, it just seemed like Altlivia got Peter to take the drugs a little too easily, which I’ve seen other people post the same thought. But all in all, I agree with you and I wouldn’t bash Peter for making what was ultimately the right decision in taking the drugs.

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    • Isa says

      Yeah, that bugged me too, Liz. I thought it was the only not-so-good part of the episode. It seemed really that Peter would simply do whatever Altlivia wanted.

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    • number six says

      “The part I really didn’t buy into at all was Alt-Olivia’s escape from “her” apartment and the whole paralyzing drug thing; she and Peter must both know that he is absolutely the LAST person she would be allowed to kill, and I think he ought to have called her bluff.”

      That was one of my favorite parts. Peter can suspect that he’s not expendable, but not be sure of it. I am not sure of it, either. My impression is that Walternate wants to use him to power that machine, which would end up with Peter’s death, so Peter’s life doesn’t seem to be that important after all.

      Then there is the fact that Altlivia had him at gunpoint and she could have shot him in a leg or something. He did the most logical thing, which was following her instructions and not trying to trick her, when she was watching him so closely. Remember that she made sure that he injected the dose and that it had the desired effect.

      I like that it was a parallel to Olivia being drugged and paralyzed on the other side. Even Altlivia and Altbroyles checked Peter’s and Olivia’s pulses in the same way. Parallels. This show loves them.

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  19. FinChase says

    Good point about Typewriter Guy. That thought also crossed my mind.

    As far as AltLivia not being allowed to kill Peter, that’s true. However, she could have managed to hurt/incapacitate him pretty badly without killing him. He seemed almost too willing to take that drug. I got the feeling that he willingly took the drug almost as a sort of penance because he has been so blind.

    Actually, the part that bothered me the most was when Peter shot the shapeshifter. I just didn’t buy the idea that he could make that shot from that distance. It would have worked better if he’d said that was a shapeshifter and let the FBI sharpshooters take him down. How traumatized is that poor girl going be after seeing her “mother” gunned down in cold blood that way?

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    • bdp says

      The part about the shapeshifter for me wasn’t necessarily the difficulty of the shot, although I did find myself pretty impressed by Peter’s marksmanship. But I had two other thoughts on that kill, one was the same as yours about how traumatized that girl must have been and also how the hell they were supposed to explain that to her, I mean everyone in the station must have seen that and the mercury fly everywhere. The other thing was, shooting someone in the head when you suspect they are a shapeshifter in the middle of a train station without know for sure is pretty risky, even for Fringe division. I mean there were definitely clues that she was a shapeshifter and she should have known her daughter’s name but she also had a gun to her head, she could have been in shock, Peter took a pretty big shot in the dark with that one (no pun intended).

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      • Alexia says

        It was very risky,but the writers have made a clear point that Petter is very impulsive person. The guy ran way when he found out the truth about his origins, left our universe,and came back a day later. And we can’t forget what we learned about him in the pilot (being a nomad and all)
        So shooting someone because you are almost sure it’s a shapshifter,is a very Peter thing to do….It would be epic if she wasn’t a shapshifter though.

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        • jophan says

          Peter’s shooting the “hostage” was a close parallel to Olivia in “The Man from the Other Side”, when she identified the cops as shapeshifters and shot one just based on the fact that one used a cellphone instead of his radio.

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        • Catherine says

          I do not think that Peter is impulsive at all. He has been extremely restless and reckless throughout his young adult life until Olivia tricked him into coming back to Boston and taking care of Walter.

          He was sure that “woman” was a shapeshifter, which is why he shot her. It is, as jophan posted, similar to the way Olivia deduced that the policemen in “The Man from the Other Side” were shapeshifters before she shot one of them in the head.

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      • MAER says

        Here’s my thing… the writers better show Walter working on the disc of that shapeshifter Peter shot! The disc has to be intact and in previous episodes they have shown that Peter does remember looking for the disc every time a shapeshifter is killed.

        Other that that… here’s how it’s going to end, Both Olivias will almost die in their respective universes to give Peter the chance to fix everything… and they both will do that because they both love him!

        last but not least, broyles mass or lack there off have nothing to do with what happened to him – if that theory was true, then Evilia (evil olivia) would have died when they had swap her for Olivia because the original plan was to they half her brain, spine and what not

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        • Name says

          Alt-Brandon did say that the mass removed from our Olivia upon vivisection would be replaced, since it’s only a matter of mass. So they did touch upon that.

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    • runthegamut says

      Good points. I also wondered how in-the-know all the teams were. They knew they were going after a rogue agent, but did they know she was an impostor? If not, does that affect Oulivia’s reputation? That was no small deal and she’s a federal agent.

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      • LizW65 says

        I’m also wondering what the alt team will be told about Col. Broyles’s disappearance, and will they be clued in about the Olivia switch after the fact? A couple of people on another site mentioned that they thought Alt-Liv was eyeballing Alt-Broyles’s office in a I-want-it kind of way, and that she will be given his old position as a reward for her undercover work, but I would think that if anyone, Lincoln would be next in line. Thoughts?

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        • Page 48 says

          Alt-Livia only joined Alt-Fringe, what was it, 2 years ago? Hard to imagine her being offered Broylenate’s position. Certainly not if there’s any such thing as alt-justice.

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  20. jacksonheights says

    I didn’t think they could have done a better job with this episode it was a “10″ in my book. I was not the biggest Dunham fan but that has all changed. There was no other way that Olivia could have gone home than to get there by herself. No help from Peter or Walter she did it on her own. I could finally tell the differences in Olivia/Bolivia with the nuances, Ana was in her groove.
    From Peters face when he realizes he is with the wrong girl, to the absolutely funniest “Vagenda” to the heartbreak of Broylanate (maybe minus limbs – to equal Bolivias mass), this was a classic. They used so many references back to other episodes. The writers did an amazing job. I always harp on the contrivances which were there but who cares the story continuity was excellent.
    I am so glad I never watch the previews with spoilers until after the episode. This was a tale which needed to be appreciated from beginning to end the way the writers intended it.

    You were right “If there is one episode you must see this was it”

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  21. Count Screwloose says

    You know what I kept flashing on?

    “Do what you always do, Philip. Save the day.” And so he did.

    Also since it fits neatly into my Unified Fringe Theory of where this season’s going, you know what those “Doomsday” machines on both sides are now, don’t you?

    They’re tuning forks.

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  22. fedorafadares says

    FYI: The bakery where Altlivia bought the malasadas (Portuguese doughnuts) is Padaria de Divina — Divine Bakery.

    I like the religious imagery that comes up from time to time. I also like malasadas!

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    • Turboweevel says

      It actually means Divine’s Bakery (although the article is wrong. It should be “da” and not “de”). For it to mean Divine Bakery it should be called “Padaria Divina”.

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  23. Pam says

    A fantastic episode, overall. Anna, Lance Reddick, Joshua & John Noble kicked ass! I have to say I did like Broylesnate better all along and am sad that he had to go! The episode was fabulous on so many counts, I don’t know which one to mention. I actually thought Walternate would choose to ditch Faux-livia in the blue verse but, he redeemed himself a little by choosing to protect his people even when her assignment was not complete – and it was amazing to see Brandonate being soo evil! He tried to let Alt-livia in the lurch with so many different reasons just so he could have our-liv for his further studies. And, the swagger in his walk when walks out of Walternate’s office – too good!

    One more continuity factor – Broyles says if anybody can survive in the alter-verse it is Olivia – Broylnate said the same of Liv soon after her escape in “Olivia” when they search the waters for her. One full circle!

    It really made me sick to see Alt-Livia carrying those pics back….did she really fall for Peter? But, her cheer did not seem to disappear despite everything – I am pretty sure she did develop a liking for Peter (and Walter too) but, it is hard to believe she totally fell in love with him like our-liv did. And, what would make me even sicker is if Peter thought what he had with Alt-Liv was something genuine. I wouldn’t put it past Peter (or the writers) if he confessed to Liv that he has fallen in love with the wrong Olivia…I hope that doesn’t happen….the kiss in the end makes me want to think he really cares only for our-Liv and I hope that is the way it is.

    Awesome writing, Awesome series – I hope Fringe gets at least another season.

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  24. BklynBetty says

    I couldn’t get on the site last night (after my initial comment) and I was trying from right after the show on and off until almost 2AM! I have to catch up on all the comments – but, did anyone else have trouble??

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      • runpaceyrun says

        BklynBetty…i had a heap of trouble getting onto the site yesterday. I live in australia…..so i just assumed that the site had gone into meltdown with all Fringe fans getting on and writing their thoughts about Entrada. Which made me even more anxious that i couldnt get on and read them. But have calmed down since i got to see the episode on download….and then was able to get on Fringebloggers without any probs. All is right in the universe once again!

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        • BklynBetty says

          Runpaceyrun – It was EXTREMELY frustrating!! Now, i’m on – but, i feel like i am late to the party! Also, I’m at work and shouldn’t be here at all, but…I had 80-something comments to catch up on! Priorities, you know.

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          • runpaceyrun says

            BklynBetty…its Saturday morning here…so i got up early and have spent the last 3 hours on Fringebloggers reading and posting. We have the same priorities. Right now i should be writing childrens end of year school reports…..but hey, they’ll get done eventually! Over Here, in my world, the Fringeverse is way more important.

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  25. cvita says

    Finally I was abele to watch Entrada. I hoped to watch it before going to work, but shame on slow Internet I had to wait endless hours on work to pass. Productivity level today was rather low. ;) I was so proud of my self that I was finally able to resist watching last night’s previews so I could enjoy this episode fully.
    And I did enjoy it! Nice emotions form our great acting team and many many thanks to Anna Torv. She is really amazing. I think that we should put our creativity to come with some new superlatives for her acting which will include her name within. Let’s saying like “annaizing”! :)
    Although I really enjoyed this episode I do have some issues: like 8 weeks had passed? When?
    And how were they able to transfer Broyles from Boston to Newark on time? Or maybe the place is not of importance only the rods and the mass?
    But who cares anyway if these prove to be the errors I couldn’t care less because Fringe is just fantastic.

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  26. ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

    I’m worried about poor Lincoln, I think he really liked OurLiv and is he ever going to find out that there were two Olivias? Must watch again soon….

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    • Pam says

      Yeah, I had the same feeling too….although Lincoln did like Alt-Livia, he kind of grew very fond of our Liv…..

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      • Aimee says

        I am betting that Charlie, Lincoln and AltAstrid will notice Olivia has changed abruptly again. I hope she comes clean.

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        • Ann_Louise says

          I was thinking that Lincoln, given his crush on Altlivia and lack of (apparent) family, would be the character to sacrifice himself to aid in Olivia’s escape. But on reflection, having family man AltBroyles give up his life to help OurLivia made a sad situation something tragic. I think that Broyles and Olivia has gotten to a state in their interaction where either Broyles would make that kind of choice for OurLivia.

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  27. AnOlive says

    Awesome Anna Torv, fantastic. You see two Olivia’s completely different yet the same genetics, unbelieveble.

    And Anna and Lance together, great.
    You could feel Olivia in pain when she heard the shots while she was in the tank.
    The death of Alt-Broyles is another stone for her to carry.

    I saw a glimmer of insight at the end in Fauxlivia’eyes, when they talked about the missing altBroyles, he was the only one of the team that knew she was Over here, and there seem to be a good relationship between them.

    So in a way both Olivias owe it to Alt-Broyles that they are back , could be interesting for the feature.

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  28. Noble_Fringer says

    Has anyone forgotten that the two universes are slightly out of sync time wise. There are periods of time when the two are “in sync” — like the time they exchanged the bridges to get Walternate over. But, for the most part — out of sync. So, it’s possible that they could have had time to get alt-Broyles to another location in time to make the exchange.

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  29. Emily says

    HEY! What happened to the Cortexiphan?! Did Olivia take it with her? If not, doesn’t Walternate still have it? Oh goodness, I dont want to even THINK about what he could do with that stuff…
    Also, I’m very curious about what that one special machine part was.
    Oh and best line of the night? Tie between “Vagenda” and Peter saying “That would be a lot easier to believe if you weren’t in handcuffs right now.” HA! I thought Peter was going to kiss Altivia or something, but instead he completely redeemed himself! (:
    Great episode!

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    • FinChase says

      She took part of it with her, but she left some, which I didn’t think wise. It’s possible that she assumed that he now knows how to make more, so what would be the point of taking more than she needed to help herself?

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  30. BklynBetty says

    So, my question is – how come THIS time, Ourliv was able to cross-over permanently? Were the drugs that she thought were helping her (which walternate provided) actually tethering her somehow to OT? Obviously, her crossover was independent of the mass-for-mass calculations since they sent Alt-Broyles over here in order to extract Altliv. Was it because of the pressure that she was under to not get killed – the FEAR?

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    • says

      I think in the past she had just been using adrenaline shots to get her into a state in which she could induce the cortixiphan that is in her body. And once that was worn off, perhaps they were able to get her back. This time she actually used straight-up cortexiphan. But yeah, they haven’t fleshed that reasoning out very well.

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      • Ann_Louise says

        I thought it had something to do with the desperaton and fear Olivia was feeling near the end. She’s being marked up for vivisection without anasthesia, there’s no water in the B&P Tank, and it looks like she’s run out of options. That may be the level of fear needed to push her over to Our Side for good.

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  31. Name says

    What’s almost more heartbreaking than Olivia/Peter is the conditions of Alt-Broyles’ sacrifice. He forsook his life to save Our Olivia because he believed there is a way to save both universes, even if this belief rested on the desperate word of one exceptional woman from the other side. He took a gamble.

    He died a hero, but as so often happens, the terms “hero” and “traitor” are bestowed according to the outcome. It’s going to take a long time until what he hoped for comes to pass, if it comes to pass, which means that currently, to his side, he is now a traitor. His mangled body…SO SAD.

    But of course Olivia will keep her promise.

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    • runpaceyrun says

      It says a lot that after everything that AltBroyles was told and was always lead to believe….that in the end he trusted someone from the other universe.
      And you are dead right…he is a hero to our side and Walternate will label him a traitor! AltBroyles wife will know the truth and so will his kids…and thats all that counts. It seems that in the end…it all came down to conscience….AltBroyles had one…..Walternate and Brandonate don’t!

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    • pacey bishop says

      I have my doubts about Walternate accusing Broylesnate of betrayal publicly, but you never know. I feel like he may use this to finally be able to get the war started instead of just sending over spies… whether or not they cut Broylesnate up or only parts of him could cross over, I assume some of his limbs were left behind, and so maybe Walternate will see this as the most perfect chance to blame the people from over here for Broylesnate’s murder saying how cruel and heartless they are. That would hit the population over there pretty hard because Broylesnate was considered a hero there, his murder would probably “justify” everything Walternate has been doing.

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      • runpaceyrun says

        pacey bishop…i love your name. Im guessing we are fans of the same person! As for Walternate…..well he is capable of anything. So you could be right in what you have said about him. But my one hope is AltBroyles wife. She knows what they talked about and what he said.

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  32. says

    This episode was just great! So engaging the entire time. The only time I was taken out of the story was when Brandonate was lowering the saw towards Olivia’s back. I just can’t see a circumstance, even with people at war, where they would willingly saw open a person’s body while they are fully conscious. And while they’ve painted Brandonate as cold and clinical, I still don’t see, based on previous episodes where he showed concern for her welfare, where he would be able to do something like that. It seemed that scene was in there for the shock factor only. Man, the looks Olivia will give Brandon next time she’s sees him should be interesting!

    Unlike others above, I don’t see Altlivia vying for Broylnates position. When she walked into the headquarters all cocky and happy, it seemed she was very pleased with herself and patting herself on the back for mission accomplished. Then when they started speculating about how he was missing, she seemed to get a bit of a cloud over her face. I don’t care which universe your talking about…Fringe Division with out Broyles just isn’t right!

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    • runthegamut says

      I totally agree about Brandonate’s change in personality. That felt out of nowhere to me. That conversation between him and Walternate would have made sense in reverse, but as it was, it was just strange.

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    • FinChase says

      Well, I thought Brandonate was actually pretty cool to Olivia in “Amber 31422″. I re-watched it last night, and he’s quite clinical when he’s examining her at the beginning of the episode. It was Walternate who came in and was all charming and warm to her. The only concern he showed was for the test subject, not the person. Also, I wonder if there wasn’t a little vengeance in his actions, too; Olivia stabbed him in the neck with a needle when she made her escape in “Olivia.”

      I don’t think AltLivia was necessarily vying for Broylenate’s office. It just made me wonder how much she’d actually been told. Was she told that it was his dead body that was swapped back for her? I agree that a bit of a cloud did cross her face when she looked there. I think it was an effective way of indicating that despite her cockiness on entering and insistence that “nothing has changed”, a lot has changed both in her office and in her, whether she’s ready to acknowledge it or not.

      Having said this, I do think there is a possibility that Walternate would appoint her in Broylenate’s place because she already knows so much, not necessarily as a reward. But Link would be the more logical successor.

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  33. jkyarr says

    Can anyone tell me if there have been any observer sightings in the alterverse? Do they cross between blue and red? Are the shape-shifters the alterverse counterpoint to our seemingly immutable observers?

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    • jkyarr says

      reviewing the screenshots of each episode of the observer’s appearances its evident that either identical observers exist on both sides or the observers themselves are multiverse beings capable of existing in both verses, at least interoperably (like Olivia) if not “simultaneously”. Perhaps they are stewards assigned to guide both sides along the journey that leads us to becoming like them? Polydemensionally present beings…

      An interesting contrast to that could be the shape-shifters who dont seem to exist fully in either dimension, being transient disembodied uncaring comparatively unemotional beings in our verse and who knows what in the alterverse?

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  34. jkyarr says

    I liked the brown betty / candyman / heart tie-in comments from Walter this episode! and the thought of them re-animating Broylnate (I hate that name BTW… how about Otha-Brotha instead?) and getting his help on our side would be awesome!

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  35. Isa says

    Another fantastic episode! Fringe gets better and better. I loved every piece of Entrada (though the bit with Peter being drugged was a bit contrived). I loved Broylesnate’s sacrifice, I loved Olivia, Anna Torv is amazing, she must win something this award’s season. She can’t be ignored, can you hear me, Golden Globe????
    I was appalled by Brandonnate’s lack of concern for other people’s life. The scene between Olivia and Broylesnate in the cell was beyond fantastic. Olivia getting back to our side and showing up at the lab was great also. I loved Astrid’s reaction.
    The last scene was heartbreaking. I thought it was great how both reacted: Peter seemed really sorry and really ashamed, he was very mature in not trying to kiss her on the lips. And Olivia was so glad to be back to her man, we know (from the pilot and on) that she is a very cold woman when it comes to her personal life and her being able to just say to him what she said, how he “saved her”, wow, that was a huge step for her. She is going to feel so miserable and lonely… :/

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  36. Page 48 says

    Walternate will no doubt launch a smear campaign to discredit Broylenate’s heroic sacrifice, so it’s a good thing that Broylenate decided to have that little chat with his wife before he rescued Olivia. The Kool-Aid drinkers may buy in (for a while), but I think Mrs. Broylenate’s bullsh!t detector will be screaming in short order. So, how long before she pleads with the trusted Alt-Livia to get to the bottom of her hubby’s disappearance?

    It’s getting murky out there.

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  37. Isa says

    I thought it was interesting that Broyles said Altlivia had been in our side for 8 weeks. In Amber (I’m not sure,but I think it’s Amber), Olivia says she’s been back to work for 8 days on the other side.

    So, time works differently in both universes? Maybe that’s why Altlivia had to wait to have the answer from the typewriter machine (and probably the others who used the typewriter)? The guy from the shop says “That’s what they do, isn’t it? They make you wait for?”

    And what’s up with the 3:59-4:00pm clock?

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  38. says

    I meant to vote/comment on this last night, but your server apparently crashed. Of all the rotten…

    Peter seems to have in common a sixth sense for finding shapeshifters. And like her, he’s lucky he’s right. If Hostage Mom had still been herself, the FBI wouldn’t have been able to help him on the murder rap.

    The creepy guy at the end. The one who looks like Kevin Spacey as Mr Rogers. Is he the new arc villain? I could like that.

    Mighty fine episode.

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    • LizW65 says

      “The creepy guy at the end. The one who looks like Kevin Spacey as Mr Rogers. Is he the new arc villain? I could like that.”

      Maybe he’s the “gentleman”?

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  39. says

    I finally got through the 125 comments that were posted. Last night was exhilarating (‘Entrada’ was excellent), and frustrating (couldn’t access Fringe loggers). However the site is back up and all is right with the world.

    I don’t remember who posted this further up, but I agree that this could have worked as a two-part episode. There is a lot going on and so much of it is very multi-layered and emotional. This is something that after next week, I hope the writers revisit the emotional implications of the team finding out about Altlivia, Olivia crossing back over, and of course Peter having an intimate relationship with Altlivia. That’s not going to go away.

    Let’s say that Altlivia’s mission was to stay embedded Over Here forever. If I were Olivia I would be heartbroken and PISSED OFF, because not a darn person Over Here had a clue and therefore were not trying to get her back. In this hypothetical situation Walternate and Brandonate could have chopped up dear Olivia and no one would have been the wiser Over Here.

    Now Broylesnate and Broyles…what can you say. Broylesnate knew the minute he decided to go and get Olivia on Liberty Island that he was a dead man. As many have already said, he is an ABSOLUTE HERO. There is so much that can be done with this arc: we could see a funeral for Broylesnate, we see Olivia talking with Broyles about how noble his alternate was and how proud he would have been of him, I mean they really can go anywhere with this. R.I.P Broylesnate.

    Oh Peter, better late than never. That is really all I have to say or can say about that. I have taken umbridge with Peter’s lack of recognition for the last couple of months and I’m just glad Olivia is back and I can stop pulling my hair out waiting for Peter to get a clue.

    I said on another post, but it’s worth repeating. None of us knew it at the time, but I think the writers used their whole “Gleeified” episode of Fringe, ‘Brown Betty’, to make it an entire Easter egg episode foreshadowing the events of Season 3. Every single episode thus far has referenced events from ‘Brown Betty’ and the episode is definitely worth re-watching because I bet we’ll find more clues about the Alternate universe and maybe even the First People.

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    • annon says

      If Brown Betty is anything to go by, then Peter at some stage is dying. If the next episode is about hearts and yes Olivia’s heart is destroyed, if going by Brown Betty then something happens to Peter’s heart as well.

      Is it possible there will be more to the next episode than we think?

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      • LizW65 says

        If, as in “Brown Betty”, Peter becomes ill and Olivia is the only one who can save him, this could be the catalyst for repairing their relationship, no?

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      • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

        I think there will be a little more to this next episode, too. With all this talk of reanimating the dead, I’m starting to believe that Walter wasn’t telling the whole truth to Olivia in ‘Peter’.

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  40. Count Screwloose says

    So I’m guessing that the John Lennon who wasn’t murdered was supposed to be singing that slow version of Roy Orbison’s “You Got It” in the bar scene. But perhaps the train station’s name is hinting that Bruce Springsteen might have been?

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    • Count Screwloose says

      To which I’d add that it would have been an appropriate tribute in an episode broadcast so close to the anniversary of his murder. Next week’s would have been closer, arguably, but this was close enough.

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    • Page 48 says

      So I’m guessing that the John Lennon who wasn’t murdered was supposed to be singing that slow version of Roy Orbison’s “You Got It”

      Really sounded like Lennon, too. So, was John a “Traveling Wilbury” over there?

      Orbison’s “You Got It” was from the album “Mystery Girl”, which derived its title from the song “She’s a Mystery To Me”, penned by Bono and The Edge (we all know how Alt-Livia loves those guys).

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  41. ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

    Just a few thoughts:

    So Cortexiphan is made from Olivia?!?!??!!!!!?????

    The harmonic rods look like “alien implants”….

    The vortex is the other side’s 9/11?? 80+ children got sucked through, 80+ adults… Where did they go?? To Our Side??

    Penn Station is Springsteen Station as in Bruce Springsteen????

    Guniness exists on the other side…

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    • says

      Cortexifan was extracted from Olivia, and presumably duplicated. Makes sense. Cortefixan is what gave Olivia her universe jumping powers. And injection of more of it allowed her to stay there permanently this time.

      It would be easy for Walternate to see the Cortexifan in Olivia’s system and isolated. After all it was our Walter who created the stuff with Bell.

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      • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

        We’ve all been speculating what Cortexiphan was for a looooong time. Like did it come from Peter originally or Olivia, so is this a definitive answer?????

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        • says

          No. It doesn’t necessarily come from either of them. How could it? The Cortexifan kids were given it by Walter and William. All evidence points to it being a synthesized drug given to Olivia, Nick Lane and the oters and entirely invented from scratch by William Bell and Walter Bishop.

          I don’t see why Cortexifan is anything other than a man made drug.

          What’s made Peter odd seems to have a different origin.

          Also, everyone on the show with mutations was always given them by a man made product of science. I don’t know why this would not be the case here.

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  42. number six says

    I thought it was a great episode, not the best ever, but very well done and fast paced. Everyone was amazing, acting-wise and character wise. Even Walter, who kept beating himself for not being able to help, had the opportunity to steal the episode with his “vagenda” rant.

    There were some plot holes and contrivances, particularly in the scenes over there and the way Altlivia made it home, that I’m willing to overlook, because they didn’t distract me from the story.

    I only disliked the cheesy scene with Altbroyles and his wife. It was awful. The acting (mainly from her) and the chemistry were left outside that garden, it seems. However, I’m grateful that it wasn’t a scene with the son, that would have been too cruel.

    And then there is the last scene between Peter and Olivia. When Olivia told him that she was alive thanks to him, I couldn’t help but go all: really, Olivia? REALLY?!?!?! First of all, it’s not true. Second, it was an obvious manipulation by the writers to make Peter feel even worse. It was a beautifully acted scene, though, and I love it.

    Talking about beautiful… I am torn about Peter and guns. I like the idea of Olivia being the one with the gun and Peter being the frustrated one, but HOLY HELL!!! Peter with a gun is extremely sexy. Almost disturbingly so.

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    • Valentina says

      About the Peter and Olivia scene in the end…it was true for Olivia to think so because it was ghost!Peter who made her realize to be our Olivia. Obviously in reality it was her coscience and not him but she is probably very confused right now and she can’t see the true thing ;) However i was feeling really sad for Peter when she said so because you could see in his eyes the guilt and the pain.

      I agree about Peter and guns..he was very hot with it!

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      • number six says

        Hey, I’m forever thankful, that she chose to see herself as Peter (Hello, Peter in a peacoat! :D ) and I don’t doubt that her main motivation to return was him, because Anna Torv confirmed this in an interview. However, she must have known that Projection Peter was actually herself. Also, it kind of cheapens Broylenate’s sacrifice. She’s alive and she made it home because of him, not because of Peter.

        The truth that Peter wasn’t there for her doesn’t cheapen their love. Sometimes Olivia hasn’t been there for him and sometimes he hasn’t been there for her. It’s good that other characters have a part in the Olivia or Peter story and this time it serves a purpose, because Peter must feel guilty for not being there for her. This should be enough. Instead, we have Olivia telling a blatant exaggeration with the very obvious intention from the writers to make Peter feel even more miserable. It looks like I’m having serious issues with this, but I really don’t. It’s just that subtle usually works better for me.

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        • Valentina says

          Yes what you said is very true..it was of course an intention for the writers to make Peter feeling much more guilty and miserable..but it wasn’t out of character for Olivia now saying so because of what happened in the past episodes. I also think that she hasn’t get rid completely of alter Olivia in her mind…i can see in future episodes her asking herself who she really is now. She’s still very confused in my mind ;)

          And i agree about the P/O relationship..they weren’t always there for each other. In season 2 for example Olivia didn’t tell to Peter about Walter’s secret. Of course she has done it because she didn’t want to loose him, but at the same time it wasn’t a good thing. But this doesn’t mean that they don’t care for each other..it only shows that they are human and they make mistakes. If their love is really worthy they will overcome all the issues.

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          • real1 says

            But you forget the fact that Peter is in our universe now because of Olivia and their love . Olivia which let him back not any one , and he was back because he is loving her , having him fall in to her version and confusing about his feeling ain’t good IMO

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    • runpaceyrun says

      Oh Number six…..i agree one hundred percent. Peter looked so damn fine in the bullet proof vest…and he had that gun! I know its wrong…but god he looked gorgeous. It kind of counteracted the later scene where he was with Olivia, in the hospital. They are both going to hurt for a long time!

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  43. jacksonheights says

    Just a question or theory, keep in mind I am spoiler free. Why was Walter so adamant that he and Peter couldn’t crossover.
    Doesn’t he own Massive Dynamic and dont they have a machine similar to the one in the Alt Universe that they used to cross back to our side at the end of the second season. Don’t they also have other Cortexifan children in the Massive Dynamic program that could help them crossover.
    Why was Walter so completely dismissive of the idea that they could crossover and get Olivia. Does this have something to do with Peter and his being “fragile”.
    Please comment.

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    • number six says

      They crossed over to the other side only with the help of the Cortexiphan kids, they didn’t need a machine. They don’t have other Cortexiphan children besides Olivia for now.

      When Walter said he could not think of other methods of crossing over safely, I think he meant that those methods would damage the fabric of the universe even more.

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      • says

        Not to mention the cellular instability that occurs to things/people that cross using Massive Dynamics methods as seen when Brandon sent and retrieved that coffee mug.

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  44. says

    Okay, so I’m rewatching the episode and I just noticed that the scene with Broylenate and his wife is supposedly taking place in central park and it looks like they’re in the middle of a jungle! All the plants are very tropical. Do they have significant climate change over there? I don’t know if it means anything but it struck me as odd.

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    • runpaceyrun says

      I do believe that they were in some kind of atrium in the middle of Central Park. Before we see AltBroyles talking to his wife, we have an overhead shot of Central Park…..and they are in the dome shaped building in the middle. It would be an enclosed atrium, like a hot house, so they could display tropical plants in their natural environment. Geez i hope that made sense?
      Im up to my 6th rewatch. Just cant get enough of this show.

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      • cortexifan says

        runpaceyrun,
        I’ve seen it that much also and it will not be the last. Also can not stop watching the previews for next week. 4 more loooooooong days before that one.

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        • runpaceyrun says

          Cortexi…you and i are 2 of a kind. I have just finished watching Entrada again (for the 7th time). Just pop me in the slightly obsessed category! When im watching it, i still sit on the edge of my seat.And i still feel hurt and pain for Peter and Olivia. And yes, i too have watched the previews for the Marionette many times over. I am slightly concerned about how i will fill may days when Fringe is on yet another lowatus! We will be on our summer school holiday break (in australia) and will be back at school (work) just after Fringe starts up again. I will go nuts just waiting!!!!
          Just exactly how many times can you watch Fringe episodes before your friends come round for an intervention? Or perhaps they should just give in and come and watch this awesome show with me!

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          • cortexifan says

            runpaceyrun, there is no limit in my book. You can never watch them too often. I’m obsessed as well. I’m actually starting to quote lines in real life. I’ve been passing my season 1 and 2 DVD’s around because I want other people to watch and catch on and up before it comes back in January. What to do for 50 days. Life without Fringe is no life.

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            • runpaceyrun says

              I agree…’Life without Fringe is no life’. Its awesome being in the Fringeverse. People dont know what they are missing.

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              • cvita says

                I’ll join this club as well. I can’t even count how many times I’ve watched Entrada and all other episodes as well. From Monday till Thursday I watch 1st season on my national TV and Friday and rest of the weekend is season 3. All my free time I devote to Fringe. Am I obsessed or what? I’m so happy to be part of Fringeverse.

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                • runpaceyrun says

                  cvita……i think the Fringeverse is an absolutely awesome place to be …..and i am glad im in it. I have never been this obsessed about a show in my entire life! And i so love it! And whats even better….i get to blog with people who love it too. For a while there i thought i was the only one who was this obsessed about Fringe…..but im so happy im not on my own! Fringe rocks the universe…well actually both of them!

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                • cortexifan says

                  cvita, sounds like me. Just spend watching Season 1 last week, watched 1st and 2nd disc of Season 2 yesterday and today while I vote for pca, been reading all I can find about Fringe, cast and crew on lots of sites, talk about it at work, converting or maybe I should say corrupting co-workers, and counting the days until the next episode. And when all is done and I’m through then I start all over.

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  45. cortexifan says

    So I have a question. When Olivia is in the cell showing the marks on her forehead to Alt-Broyles, there is something else there on the marks right in the middle of her forehead. It looks like letters or numbers. I can’t get a good look at it. Any thoughts?

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