Fringe Episode 3.06 6955kHz


FRINGE (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) – “6955 kHz”

Back “over here,” the Fringe Division investigates a bizarre phenomenon when 15 people up and down the Eastern Seaboard, all suffer retrograde amnesia from listening to their shortwave radios on the same frequency. Much to Walter’s dismay, Peter (Joshua Jackson) presses on with piecing together the mass destruction device. Just as alternate Olivia and Peter’s chemistry deepens, the anticipation of Olivia’s return escalates.

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Kirk Acevedo as Charlie Francis; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth.

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    • Rich says

      How many more hidden devices are we going to find that turn people’s minds to jello.

      Between that and surprise car accidents….it seems to be the going theme.

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    • Page 48 says

      It took her about 30 seconds to zero in on Alt-Livia’s bad vibe, too, which is about 10 more than required by anyone who knows Olivia.

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      • Ann_Louise says

        At least someone’s on to her! I was so wanting Altlivia to NOT remember any of the numbers – that would be a big enough clue for Peter.

        Glad to see Henry Higgins returns next week – since Walternate has decided Ourlivia can be disposed of.

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    • physicsgirl says

      I sort of got the feeling that Peter was testing Alt-Liv in this episode.

      First there were the U2 tickets. Our Liv doesn’t really express interest in music (remember the bar scene a few eps back when he was surprised to hear that she liked a song?), so what provoked this kind of date-night idea?

      Then there was the bit with the list of people studying the numbers. It felt to me like Peter deliberately showed Alt-Liv the list to see what her reaction would be upon reading Markham’s name. If he had just come right out and said “Hey, Markham’s on this list!”, she could have just feigned recognition.

      After that, Peter asked Alt-Liv to recite the numbers. Our Liv would have just blurted out the numbers after Peter mentioned them. But Peter had to ask Alt-Liv to humor him and recite them. That, to me, was the strongest indication that he was testing Alt-Liv’s behavior.

      And then there’s the end scene when Alt-Liv asked about using the device. Peter’s changed his mood pretty quickly. If he was doubting Alt-Liv’s identity, I could see Peter suddenly getting serious to choose his words wisely, knowing that he might be talking to an enemy.

      Does anyone else feel this way? Or am I just hoping that Peter hasn’t been completely blinded by his feelings for (Alt)Liv? If Nina and Markham are giving her funny looks after their brief encounters, then surely Peter is on high alert…

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      • BklynBetty says

        At this point, i honestly think it’s the writers playing ‘will he’/’won’t he’ (realize) with us. Peters been playing ‘ambiguous’ since the second episode, and i (as already mentioned) no longer feel any tension in these moments, just annoyance. His ‘testing’ doesn’t seem to be getting him (or us) anywhere. At this point, i think someone has to actually *catch* her doing something out of character (like maybe shooting deaf people or throwing people out of windows, the usual…), or be contacted by Ourliv in some way.
        The moments that you are referring to were definitely *there* – i’m just not sure they actually mean anything. Of course, this storyline has me quite jaded, so I could be wrong. Maybe he’ll figure it out just when i am lulled into thinking he will *never* figure it out. :)

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        • SF says

          I’m getting so cynical that I think Peter won’t clue in until he’s confronted with both of them at the same time, and we have to see another Olivia-on-Olivia fight before the guy might, just might get a clue that the reason the one’s he’s with is acting a little abnormal is because it’s not our Olivia! *tries very hard to not shout these words out loud again in frustration* I love Fringe, but if that last scene isn’t something in Peter finally clicking that our Olivia would never give up hope, then Peter doesn’t know our Olivia at all, and doesn’t deserve her.

          I just ranted again, didn’t I???

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      • says

        I immediately thought of Sam Weiss as well. He’s one of the only surviving first people! Which means that Walternate has this code all cracked and thus knows about the first people and their technology. I can’t wait to see how this all unfolds.

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      • says

        I think we do. The message was written in Walternate’s lab, after all. And if Sam was on the red side, why would he go through all the trouble to help Olivia recover her memories from her visit over there? He was helping her recover her mission which was to stop Newton. If he was working with Walternate, he’d do everything he can to stop that, I would think. I guess I wouldn’t say that he’s on either side. I see him sort of impartial, like the observers.

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          • Cortexifan says

            As I’m sitting here thinking about Sam Weiss and what he said to Olivia at her house last season that he is older than he looks – Bell said to Peter in OT2 that he is holding up much better than he thought. Could Peter be one of the First People?

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            • SF says

              That’s what I’m wondering too. But, would that mean he’s not Walter’s and Walternate’s child ( the Peters, I mean)? Or does it mean he’s special because the DNA has been carried down through the millennium and has somehow combined in him to make him special? I wonder too if the Observers are among the First People, or a separate race altogether.

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              • Count Screwloose says

                Pretty interesting theory. I’ve been wondering about Walternate’s paternity ever since Peter’s mother stumbled while speaking to him, “Your fa…uh, Walter…”

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      • says

        *spoiler removed*

        I get the dads whenever he is shown as a special guest at the beginning. It means in some way shape or form Charlie will not be with us forever…tis truly a shame.

        So about those First People…I freaked out! I absolutely canny wait for next weeks episode. Olivia trying to get home, the return of Henry, both universes in one episode (at least it appears that way for now).

        I can’t wait for Altlivia to be called on the carpet.

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    • Ann_Louise says

      My husband remarked on the look Markham gave after Altlivia left – like Nina, something was off. Thinking about that characters first appearance made me miss the real Olivia even more.

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      • BklynBetty says

        Markham looked at her funny, Nina looked at her funny – If Liv had a cat at home – it would be looking at this girl funny. But, all these faux ‘gotcha’ moments – like her having to recall the numbers (as mentioned upthread) as if she had Ourliv’s photographic memory – are, instead of causing dramatic tension for me – starting to grate.

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        • SF says

          “If Liv had a cat at home – it would be looking at this girl funny” LOL But not Peter! Or Walter! Oh no, Peter accepts her changes as normal!!!! You’re right though, cats would notice. Maybe Olivia will keep a cat from now on, just to help the people around her know when she’s gone to the other side and AltLiv has popped in again (in the future I mean).

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  1. Hatch says

    This episode was fantastic. Intensity from moment one. I was only upset that they didn’t reveal who is behind all this, which is clearly Sam Weiss and possibly the Observers…

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  2. bdp says

    Yea Nina definitely caught whiff of something she didn’t like with Altlivia. Some great reveals in this episode. A lot of progression with the weapon, a look into the first people (which i love), and starting to see what seems like a lot of lingering doubts for Altliv about her mission and the destruction it may cause. I do like to finally see them starting to further that in the fact that Altlivia seems to finally start understanding that maybe the people on this side aren’t monsters (also i’m one of the people who thinks they’re starting to go the way of Altlivia developing some feelings for Peter). There’s so much more in this episode too but i’ll leave the review to Roco, too much work for me. Just a great episode in my opinion. And then with the promo for next week, while i can’t believe that was all for next week but rather for a a mix of the next couple at least, that promo was absolutely epic. The return of Henry!! And it looks like we have HUGE things coming and i cannot wait!!

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  3. Rogue151 says

    So many fun Alias and Lost inside “jokes” tonight. I feel like you could make an observations post on that. Having to dig up old artifacts to put together some machine of “mass destruction” it kinda makes me miss Alias again, but Fringe is becoming an equal very fast for me.

    Seeing Kevin Weisman actually caused me to laugh at my TV, totally wasn’t expecting him to be there.

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    • Hatch says

      The LOST references really made me happy. A broadcast of a voice repeating numbers including 8, 15, and 42, coming from a big radio tower.

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    • Page 48 says

      I knew KW had filmed an episode, but didn’t know which one it was going to be. Now we know. Dude survived Arvin Sloane, but 5 minutes with Alt-Livia and he’s losing his mercury all over the street.

      Of course, they also found room for a “47” in Astrid’s code busting sequence.

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  4. says

    So this “vacuum” can create and destroy. Walter’s little line about hoping it was the former got me thinking about yellow balloons….maybe in trying to save both universes they create a third universe with the vacuum.

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    • bdp says

      I actually thought the exact same thing. I’ve always had the thought that Peter was going to end up using the machine but he would find out a way to use it to save both universes instead of saving one while destroying the other, I just didn’t know how they would pull that off. When Walter uttered that line about creation and destruction I immediately thought of them somehow being able to save both universes by creating a new one instead of destroying one that already exists. And that would definitely tie in with the yellow, not to mention it would be awesome.

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    • FinChase says

      I laughed out loud when Peter said they had discoverd vacuums, and AltLiv said “Vacuum cleaners?” Clearly a reference back her vacuum cleaner remark to Newton.

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      • SF says

        Me too, I caught both references, to the previous episode with Newton, and to the creation/destruction possibilities of the weapon. Me? I’m hoping for the third universe possibility too.

        I also thought it was kind of interesting that it’s with AltLiv, who says she sees only one universe or the other surviving (and our Olivia would never give up finding a way for both to survive) that Peter finally chooses what he wants to do – and that’s to find that way so both universes can. “Hope”. it made me think of the line from NWP, about finding the crack in the darkness to let the light in. I think that in being confronted with a weapon of ultimate creation and destruction, Peter has chosen what he’s going for. Yaaay Peter!!! Now if he would only figure out that that’s not his Olivia there…….interesting though that it is AltLiv who makes him decide, because she chooses opposite what Olivia would do. I wonder if Olivia were there with him, would he have chosen so clearly and quickly what he was pulling for with the weapon? Or was that the moment when he knew it wasn’t Olivia? There was a look on his face and his eyes like he was almost going to cry…….

        Has anyone else noticed that Sam Weiss hasn’t made an appearance yet, and do you think he would know in an instant that’s not Olivia standing there? I do. First Person or not, whatever, he’d still know. So would Ella.

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    • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

      But the image of him digging in a dead shapeshifter’s butt is forever seared in my memory banks…

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      • charliefan19 says

        Yeah, and…he didn’t even attempt to try anything with the device. Since when does Peter looked at something and say, “Oh darn, it’s broken!” Seriously. …

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        • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

          I’m hoping that maybe he knew Olivia had a hand in it, somehow, and knew it wasn’t worth his time….

          But yeah, Mr “I can bring life to anything electrical” just tosses it away without any further thought?? That was VERY suspicious…

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  5. Count Screwloose says

    Well, I’ve yet to see anything that makes me think any differently about what THE DEVICE actually does, i.e., that it does not destroy either universe but, rather, combines them. In fact, I’ll wager that the event that wiped out the First People was the rending of the universe into Over Here and Over There, the idea being that this universe had to be torn in two to prevent a terrible fate foreseen by The Observers. The entire point of this season is to slowly make each character more and more like their supposed “opposite” (witness Astrid’s facility with numbers tonight) so that both selves will literally merge (as both universes will) when each side’s devices are activated.

    I’ve posted before on this to absolutely no response, so I’ll assume no one agrees with this in the least. But I really don’t see any other scenario that fits. One thing I have decided for certain that I was uncertain of before is that Walternate is very much aware that neither side will be destroyed by THE DEVICE. His motivation has nothing to do with Peter or Over There or vengeance. He’s aware that the event being forestalled by both devices is an all-powerful Walter Bishop, and he’s very interested in bringing that about even if he is only half of the equation!

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    • Hatch says

      That…actually sounds pretty legitimate. Interesting point about the characters and their alternates becoming more alike, and definitely a good call on Astrid.

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    • says

      That is really interesting! I don’t remember reading your viewpoint before but the peices do seem to be falling into place where something like that could be totally plausible.

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      • Count Screwloose says

        Whatever the truth, I think the idea that this is a “doomsday” device is a huge red herring. Well, unless the fact that the newly combined sides will now be facing a far greater danger than either did separately counts (and I guess it does!)

        I do think that Walternate made that speech about Nature achieving balance for a reason, though…

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    • runthegamut says

      The more I think about this, the more I like it. I think you may be on to something. I really thought Astrid stood out tonight, that they went out of their way to show that she does have more in common with Alstrid than at first glance. so this idea makes sense. And it would be a way to sort of neatly clean up the mess that is the love triangle.

      The only potential problem I see, and I see it whatever the outcome with the machine and the two worlds, is that I can’t see it happening where it isn’t a series finale. If we bring the two universes together, what would season 4 be about? We’ve been building up to this idea slowly and carefully, that it feels to early to completely resolve that story line. More waiting and seeing I guess.

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      • Count Screwloose says

        Well, it would make for an amazing season finale, but where would you go?It’s the biggest problem with the idea, as you pointed out. It would mean an incredible challenge all around: creating a universe from scratch! With a plot that would have to consist of our heroes (minus an omnipotent Walter) trying to set things to rights in a society in which their activities would have to stay almost impossibly underground.

        The biggest missing puzzle piece here is Lincoln Lee, who I think is holding an awful lot of important cards. I don’t think the throwaway lines about various members of his family have been casual (not to mention his recognition of Nick Lane). I think there’s a huge reveal waiting for us there, so I could be completely off base here. But I’ll be happy to have any of these notions come close!

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        • Pam says

          This is a wonderful theory! I think the writers may head there finally, but, this will be as someone mentioned, the thing for the series finale. I think Fringe is going to be renewed for at least 1 more season, so, we will not see that anytime now.

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          • Count Screwloose says

            But what if FRINGE manages to last for the six years the producers say they have stories for? Where in the world (or worlds) do they go then? If they do manage to go the distance, though, I may even forgive TPTB for so cruelly stealing TWIN PEAKS from me in 1990…

            If I can run my mouth for another minute, how about this: If Nature cannot be torn in two without it seeking balance, what if it started to try and bring them back together by creating ways to soften the membrane between worlds? (Imagine that each universe is a wall on the opposing sides of a room that is slowly closing and the only thing keeping them apart is THE DEVICE.) In the same way that a tree’s roots will find its way around cement, what if Nature found a way to push someone to create cracks in the universe? What if Walter is merely Nature’s pawn in its game to reunite both sides? Even further, since Walternate had to be distracted in order to provide Walter’s motivation, what if Nature pushed the Observer into the place it wanted to provide that distraction? What if both Walters are simply useful tools in Nature’s battle to recreate balance?

            The fact that that balance may bring about great evil would not concern Nature, as Walternate has already pointed out. It doesn’t concern itself with good or evil, simply balance, and it is doing everything it can to help each side’s natural inclination to be reunited with its other.

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            • SF says

              While I love your theory, and I do, I can’t help thinking about Walter’s idea of deja vu and the different worlds created every time a choice is made. What if we combined your theory and Walter’s, Count Screwloose? What if crossing the barriers is a no-no in any world, and nature is seeking to balance by bringing the worlds together, through Walter and Walternate? What if ‘the new world’ created is simply the AU shifted slightly, and with a intact membrane? I’m not sure how that would work. I think I just don’t like the idea of either world being destroyed! Any world, too! Someone also brought out the point somewhere in this blog last year that if one world is destroyed, does that destroy all the copies? So the question is, which world is the original world? The AU, or ours? And if the machine can create a world, does it come complete with all the people that are now existing, and on which universe does it pick from? From where the machine has been used? What about those people who have died, like Bell and Ella and the cortexitots? So many interesting questions that the idea of alternate universes bring up, and this machine that can create and destroy. Yours is certainly a theory worth considering too!

              “It doesn’t concern itself with good or evil, simply balance, and it is doing everything it can to help each side’s natural inclination to be reunited with its other.” One question I do have with this theory: what happens to those people whose lives have diverged from the other universe, which ‘life’ gets chosen if the universes combine again?

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              • Count Screwloose says

                I look at it this way: Over Here and Over There are two halves of what was originally one universe, one of a multitude of choices. The problem is that this one leads to something terrible that can’t be allowed to happen. So this one is torn in two, leaving us with characters who are really half of who they ought to be. “The boy is important” because he is the key to a device which will reintegrate them. Nature’s inclination is, of course, to seek balance, regardless of the consequences.

                One other thing occurs to me now. You know that old saying about what Nature abhors?

                It’s a vacuum…

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  6. says

    I loved that it was Astrid who cracked the code. It harkens to her shared ability with her doppleganger as a looker on the other side. I’m thinking that those people listening to the numbers stations may not have been very close to cracking the code. It seems like Walternate just needed a way for the fringe team to find all the peices of the machine so he created the pulse device which would cause the Fringe team to investigate. And when she told Altlivia that she thought these were the locations of all the parts of the vacuum, Altlivia didn’t hesitate to agree with her (although it seemed like a grim agreement). They want them to find all the parts.

    I also love how it’s Peter giving Altlivia a new perspective by telling her there’s still hope. Kind of like how projection Peter is giving Olivia hope in the over there episodes.

    And speaking of Peter, I felt like they gave him at least a little more substance in this episode. We haven’t, until this time, known how he is in a relationship. And it seems he’s very romantic and thinks of all the little things to make him “irresistable”. Hmmm…..now who do we know who is like that. Oh yeah! Frank! We already know that she is attracted to men who do the little things for her. I think she’s falling for Peter, hands down.

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    • SF says

      It also harks back to her code studies she mentions back in Ep 6 of S1, I think it is. The strange thing is, Olivia also knew something about codes too – remember Peter is giving her this admiring look as she goes on about some kind of code used by Caesar or Alexander the Great (I forget exactly the quote). No one picked up in this episode that AltLiv didn’t have a clue how to solve the code, when our Olivia would have had some theories to try with Astrid on how to break it. I do love that Astrid did break it, it showed great storyline consistency for her, and also another thing AltLiv can’t do. But no character remarked on it, and that really annoys me. Peter Mr 190 IQ, come on! Your girl should have taken some action there! *big sigh* Fringe Team, wake up!!!

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  7. Catherine says

    Awesome episode!!! I throughly enjoyed myself. :D I even “liked” Bolivia for the first time. She and Peter were cute together. Poor Peter, he still thinks she’s “his Olivia.” Boy, is he cruisin for a bruisin soon. I liked his answer to
    Bolivia’s question about if only one universe could survive, wouldn’t you do anything to make sure that it was “ours.” I’ve been hoping all along that Peter and Walter and Olivia will find some way to save both universes. I always hated situational ethics. (Have you ever heard that scenario where certain kinds of people are in a life raft, but there’s not enough provisions for everyone to survive? Who do you throw off the life raft first, the handicapped person or the ninety year old great grandma? How about neither. Hope for an island.)

    Some fun interaction between Walter and Peter…and even Nina. Didn’t Bolivia sweat when Peter asked her for those numbers!! LOL.

    As soon as Brandonate called to tell Olivia that they’d put off any more tests, my immediate response was…”Oh no, run, Olivia. Run!” I knew that Walternate was done with her even before hallucinated Peter informed her of the same. Last week’s episode was good, but with tonight’s show and the hints of next week’s preview, I think Fringe is back to great.

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    • runpaceyrun says

      Catherine, once again i agree with you. Except for the bit about liking Altlivia. God i loathe her…….and that is all down to Annas fabulous acting. She is brilliant. I too also loved the small amount of closeness that was shared between Walter and Peter. I do hope they repair their relationship…..its just breaks my heart when they are together.I cannot wait for Olivia to come back home…..i know it will be painful and guilt ridden but i think those episodes will be the best yet!

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  8. says

    I can’t wait to vote for Fringie of the week. I will be throwing all my weight behind Astrid. She finally was doing more Over Here than just babysitting Walter or assisting him on an experiment. Astrid was working her code breaking skills, and it was about time.

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    • Hatch says

      Yeah, this was Astrid’s best episode to date. She actually did most of the solving, while Walter looked on. I’m glad she’s getting a chance to shine.

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  9. Owl says

    I haven’t read the posts before for Count Screwloose, but I am a newer fan to the site. Great idea. A lot of that makes sense, especially the part about Walternate wanting an all-powerful Walter. And thankfully, they gave Astrid a more interesting and important way to contribute this week. I hope there is a lot more of Nina in our future as well. I can hardly wait to see how this all plays out.

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    • says

      Well, the first sequence was Dutch. The second was Hispanic and the third Japanese.
      I love how they’d put some of the LOST numbers ánd ’47’ aswel in there. Fun stuff!

      Most unforgettable scene: Nina and Walter on the campus bench, smoking pot. 10+ for that one alone. Furthermore:

      it looks like the First People wánt their machine to be build. And that the number sequences are instructions on hów to build it. I therefor conclude that ‘Over Here’ the Doomsday Device does nót have to be a weapon of destruction at all. ‘Over There’ it may cause all terrible things to happen, but ‘over here’ only the clumsy handling of the pieces causes accidents. That, and sabotage by shapeshifters.

      People from ‘Over There’ are doing what they can to stop the machine being build ‘Over Here’.
      And the Observers? Are they some of the Frist People who still live in the vacuum, that Walter talks about? In a place wehre time has no meaning?

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  10. says

    I like that Peter finally has a self motivated, independent point of view. He’s gonna try to find a third path other than one universe killing the other. And he came to that conclusion himself. It took two and a third season, but Peter now has a motivation, and has had an independent thought. Bravo! I know I’m being a jerk, but I really am happy. It was really cool to hear Peter say something that he arrived at himself and have his own viewpoint on things that wasn’t informed by his father, alternate father, mother, Olivia, or Nina.

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    • Pierce says

      I thought Peter’s response to alternate Olivia was rather poignant, too. Not only was it not the response she was expecting, it bookended his conversation with Walter earlier when he asked how Walter could ask him not to find out what the device did when he knew that it responded to him specifically. He has his own motivations independant from Walter or Olivia, and in just that one scene, it fleshed Peter’s character out tremendously. Bravo Peter, indeed!

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      • SF says

        Me too, I completely agree here. It’s about time! Maybe we’re seeing Peter finally growing up. I really like ( I mentioned it above in another comment) that Peter says these things on his own, and I find it very interesting that not having Olivia around – with whom he agrees much of the time – we are seeing him able to decide for himself what he is going to do. I really like this character growth.

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        • BklynBetty says

          In addition to the choices Peter is making in this episode – I seem to have the impression that Peter has been taking on more of a leadership role generally within Fringe division since his return from OT. In ‘The Box’ – he immediately assumed responsibility for retrieving, well, the box without really looking for too much input from AltLiv, and in ‘Do Shapeshifters’ I believe he made the call to have the Senators office locked down. It’s obvious that he is no longer tagging along after Olivia. I imagine that a large part of this is how personally involved/responsible he feels himself to be in anything that involves Walternate’s ‘device’ or the war with the other side – but, i wonder if some of it is based on a subconscious knowledge that Olivia (meaning Altliv) can’t or won’t take on her usual leadership role. Astrid, too, has stepped up her game – seeing her at the desk pouring over notes trying to find a ‘pattern’ is reminiscent of many past scenes of Olivia – and her wry comment to Walter thanking him for his vote of confidence, immediately after which something ‘clicked’ in her mind regarding the meaning of the numbers.

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          • SF says

            “i wonder if some of it is based on a subconscious knowledge that Olivia (meaning Altliv) can’t or won’t take on her usual leadership role. Astrid, too, has stepped up her game – seeing her at the desk pouring over notes trying to find a ‘pattern’ is reminiscent of many past scenes of Olivia…”

            Isn’t it interesting that the team has jumped in to cover for the absence of Olivia, without consciously noticing her absence? I completely agree with you here, BklynBetty. I’ve noticed the same things you have, Peter taking charge in The Box and again here, Astrid covering, because normally Olivia would have some ideas and would put herself in danger. How on earth can they not be wondering to themselves, ‘What’s wrong with Olivia? She hasn’t been herself since she came back from the AU.”

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            • AnOlive says

              Altlivia is behind the cases in episode 2, 4, 6. She and her team were involved and she made sure that the ones from this team got involved. In The Bos and now she asked Nina if Astrid could have a look, she steered Astrid in discovering the code, that was the plan.

              So without Altlivias steering, by doing some things and leaving other things to do for the team , the team would not have been involved.

              Altlivia and the team from Over There made sure that this team would discover what they had to discover, although some things went unexpected.

              With the return of Ourlivia , she will be very needed to acutually solve things again together with her extra knowledge of Over There.

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          • Pierce says

            Yeah, I noticed that, too. How many times have we seen Olivia shifting through photos, documents or whatever trying to make a connection, and it’s usually that one obscure comment or out of place information that ends up locking things in for her. We saw that with Astrid taking on that roll in a more pronounced way in their Olivia’s abscence.

            I also agree with AnOlive as well, Altlivia (per Walternate’s instructions) is manuevering things behind the scenes that’s effecting how our Fringe team is reacting to these cases. So far, Walternate has gotten everything he’s wanted from our side. Peter actively engaged. Walter assisting. Altlivia playing a role. Broyles and Astrid none the wiser. However, I believe it’s going to be what he can’t predict (as Altlivia stated) that’s going to be his undoing, which includes her conflicted conscious behind her assignment, or developing geniune feelings for Peter. There’s also Nina, who I believe has her suspicions about Altlivia and will do what she always does, work covertly to discover a truth or hide it presenting it only when it’s to her or MD’s advantage.

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  11. number six says

    Astrid, my love! You awesome creature, you!

    Fantastic episode! I loved how they used Astrid in this. They remembered her thing for codes, which was established in 1.07 (In Which We Meet Mr. Jones). YAY for continuity! She and Peter (blindness and all) were my favorites this week. There were so many great scenes, but I think my favorite was the moment Walter told Peter they’d work together on the machine. I don’t care about the potential dangers or that this is exactly, what Walternate wants. I want to seem them trying to figure out the device.

    My disdain for Altlivia is still high, but at least she didn’t grate this time. I can’t quite feel any sympathy for her yet, even though I know she’s out of her depth and that she wasn’t prepared enough for this mission. It was nice to see her becoming less sure of herself and her ability to pull this off. And I really hope she leaves this universe, before she falls in love with Peter. I think she’s already half-way that road.

    Peter in love is possible the most adorable thing ever. A pity that part of him is going to die soon, maybe forever.

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    • Page 48 says

      “My disdain for Altlivia is still high, but at least she didn’t grate this time”

      No grating, maybe, but she sure added to her body count (dead and wounded) this week. ‘Course you can’t make an Over There omelette without breaking a few Over Here eggs.

      “Peter in love is possible the most adorable thing ever”

      Ugh, that’s not even in my Top 10 (most of which would include Jessica Biel).

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      • Cortexifan says

        I’m not so sure Bolivia is this cold blooded killer. I was rewatching 3.02 when she shot the deaf guy. Her facial expression are not cold and calculated. They almost say, Man I don’t want to do this. I think Newton pushed her to do it. She was even trying to prevent more innocent people being killed when she talked with Mr. Gemini in 3.06. I know she killed him. But maybe there was a stand off in that room and he was pulling a gun on her as well. We don’t know. I know I’m playing devil’s advocate, and I don’t like her and want our Olivia back, but even our Olivia killed a lot of people.

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        • mlj102 says

          “but even our Olivia killed a lot of people”

          Really, there’s no comparison here. Sure, alternate Olivia is doing what she thinks is best for her world. But in the process she is willing to kill as many people as are necessary. Sure, she seemed apologetic when she killed the man in The Box. But she still did it. And she didn’t seem too worked up about it afterwards. She sees those on our side as disposable and unnecessary. And that attitude is polar opposite of our Olivia’s attitude. Even in the defense of her world, she would not kill people without a reason. Sure, Olivia has killed people, but none of them were innocent people. She only kills in self defense as a last resort. The attitude our Olivia has is completely different from the attitude alternate Olivia has in this particular instance.

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          • SF says

            Yes, exactly, mlj 102. I’ve always seen this as one big difference between the two Olivias too, their attitude towards what they have to do, and what they are willing to do to succeed. Olivia wants to save both universes, AltLiv can only think about her own. Isn’t it interesting that it’s the one who was scarred and shaped by child experimentation who has the greater conscience and empathy, and the one who seems normal and happy, really isn’t able to reach for a morality higher than her orders from her boss?

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            • says

              Maybe I’m missing something, but I’ve never heard Olivia being super concerned about the other universe. She was tasked with trying to keep the gate closed so that the invading army couldn’t come to this universe and she spent all her energy, time and resources trying to prevent that from happening. But I don’t specifically recall her working diligently to actually save the other universe. She has tried to save people but not the entire universe. Maybe you’re putting a little too much nobility onto her. I’m not saying she doesn’t care or is thoughtless about the other universe, but I haven’t seen her trying to save the other universe whatsoever.

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              • number six says

                You are right, Schwakamole. Olivia has never been concerned about the other universe’s safety. She has mostly considered it a threat. But after her experiences over there, I’m sure she’ll want to save both universes, just like Peter and Walter.

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              • mlj102 says

                Of course Olivia’s main concern has always been protecting our universe over here. She hasn’t known enough about the situation to know that the other side needed saving, too. Up until the events of Over There, she felt that they were in a war, and all she knew about the other side was that they were sending shapeshifters over here, trying to open a door between the two sides so they could destroy our side. So she has reacted defensively.

                But the key is in how she is going about trying to protect our side. I don’t think that she would protect our side at all costs, including the destruction of the other side. Olivia, like Peter, wants to protect our side but they want to do that with as little damage to the other side as possible. They don’t want to hurt over there… they just want to protect over here.

                But the alternates seem to have a different way of approaching the situation. Like our side, they feel that they are simply defending themselves and protecting their side. The difference is in their approach. They are willing to protect their side whatever the cost to our side. It doesn’t matter what they have to do or how many people over here will be killed in the process, so long as they protect their side.

                Olivia protects her side with killing people as a last resort. No matter the threat from over there, she would want to avoid killing innocent people. Alternate Olivia is focused on her mission and doesn’t care how many people she has to kill in the process of accomplishing that mission. And I think that’s a fundamental difference between the two. So while, up to this point, Olivia has not shown a lot of active concern for the other side, she also hasn’t been determined to destroy them, either.

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  12. says

    Fantasic episode, shapeshifter with alternate color eyes another Bowie reference :D

    Both Astrid and Nina’s best episode to date, they’re both proving to be real enigmas, adored when Walter called Astrid Watson not once but twice.

    Plot was a real white rabbit story leading us somewhere unknown, was clever how it started like just a random case then switched into a full on mythology episode.

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    • Count Screwloose says

      Caught the Bowie eye thing, too, which made me think that he’d be with us for a while since the Bowie nods are usually reserved for the head baddie. Alas…

      Patiently awaiting the arrival of Mr. T.W. Duke! :)

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        • Count Screwloose says

          In which case I insist he return as Philip Jeffries, the FBI agent who gets lost in time and space in the TWIN PEAKS film!

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  13. runpaceyrun says

    Oh my god…i just sat down and watched episode 3.06 on download ….(yes i know im a little late but i live in australia and had to wait to finish work and then get home and download it) In my opinion yet another BRILLIANT episode. The writers of Fringe should be given every award in this universe for the quality tv they put out each week. Never have a i felt so much angst, fear, disgust and rage in an episode before…and all in a very short space of time. I want to kill Altlivia so much. If she hurts Markham or Astrid i will kill her myself! Anna continues to shine in every episode and i think its hysterical that i love Olivia so much and hate Altlivia equally as much. This lady is truely a brilliant actress….awesome in fact!
    I loved the scenes between Walter and Peter…..i just want their relationship to be repaired. Walter is so vulnerable at the moment…im wondering if he will desend deeper into madness as he struggles with helping Peter but feeling conflicted in doing so. And for goodness sake will someone please just figure out that Altlivia is impersonating Olivia….so many clues, so many confused and quizical looks from Walter, Astrid and Nina…..i bet Gene knows its not the real Olivia! And as for Peter and his hormones…get away from her you fool! Dont get me wrong…i love and adore Peter…i just dont want him to get hurt……and when Olivia gets back im afraid that he will…not physically but emotionally. And whilst that will cause me much angst and probably tears (yes i do love this show that much!) i cannot wait to see how the writers play these episodes out. It will be nothing short of brilliant..guaranteed!

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    • SF says

      “If she hurts Markham or Astrid i will kill her myself! Anna continues to shine in every episode and i think its hysterical that i love Olivia so much and hate Altlivia equally as much.”

      Oh, well said, runpaceyrun! I was so afraid they would kill off Markham, when their seasonal runs to his bookstore (and did anyone else notice how much bigger the bookstore was this time? All those books! I want to go there…..) are one of my secret delights on this show!!! I feel the same way, I love Olivia and while I don’t hate AltLiv, I don’t feel anywhere the same feelings for her except fear she’s going to hurt a character I like, any character I like! I can’t hate her, and just for this Anna Torv has done a brilliant job. I don’t like AltLiv very much (my nickname for her is AltHussy) yet, while I adore Olivia’s character. I think I liked this episode the best of the ones over on this side this season, so far. I like all the ones in the AU, they are fantastic.

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    • number six says

      “I loved the scenes between Walter and Peter…..i just want their relationship to be repaired. Walter is so vulnerable at the moment…im wondering if he will desend deeper into madness as he struggles with helping Peter but feeling conflicted in doing so.”
      I loved how incredibly patient Peter was with Walter, and even though I know that Walter was being a bit unfair with Peter, I enjoyed Walter’s anger towards Peter, because it’s not easy to be impartial, after all the damage Walter caused in the past. Those glares he threw at Peter during their meeting with Nina? I’m happy that I wasn’t the one in the receiving end :D

      If you end up breaking the universe, this time, it’s on your head.
      Ha! I’m glad he changed his mind at the end and decided to work with Peter and not against him.

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  14. LizW65 says

    Very interesting episode…so much to think about. I was half expecting them to dig up another Observer beacon at the end, but a part for the machine is a nice twist too, providing the rest of the season doesn’t turn into a “gotta catch ‘em all” kind of scenario. I wonder why the machine needs to exist in both universes, as Walternate already built one on the other side? Maybe they have to be in synch with each other for the Big Whatever to happen?
    Another vote for Astrid as Fringie of the week–the girl really got her chance to shine in this ep!
    Some nice scenes with Alt-Liv as well. I still don’t have a lot of sympathy for her, but I liked her little speech toward the end, where she was putting out feelers regarding Peter’s loyalty to this universe. I don’t think she was expecting him to say what he did, and I agree that she may be revising her opinion of this universe as an enemy to be destroyed. Whether she’s really falling for him, as some people have suggested, I’m not sure, but she must at least enjoy being doted on by somebody who’s clearly nuts about her.
    And in the car, when she was struggling to recall the sequence of numbers…did anyone get the sense that this may be some latent ability she has inside her, but never had occasion to use? It seemed to me that it got easier for her to remember the numbers as the scene progressed, suggesting that this talent is something she could train herself to use in the future.
    Nice catch on the Seamus Wiles/Sam Weiss connection–that one didn’t occur to me!
    Great ending, too–is it next Thursday yet?!

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    • mlj102 says

      “I liked her little speech toward the end, where she was putting out feelers regarding Peter’s loyalty to this universe.”

      I didn’t feel she was as much testing Peter’s loyalty to over here, but that she was looking for justification for her own loyalty to her side and what she’s doing for them. As others have pointed out, I think she is starting to see the truth about over here, and she’s also starting to feel a bit guilty for being a part of a mission that is theoretically going to destroy this side. She has killed people, she’s living a lie and deceiving everyone around her, and she has done many other similarly negative things, which is all for the purpose of completing a mission that should lead to the end of over here. And she’s doing all of this in the name of protecting her side. Those are some pretty heavy things to do and to feel okay about doing. And in the beginning, I think she was able to tell herself it was okay to do those things because she was doing what she felt was necessary to protect her world from the dangerous people over here. But now she’s not so sure. I think the experiences she’s having over here are starting to make her question if she’s right in doing what she’s doing. So asking Peter about what he would do seemed to be her way of trying to seek reassurance that what she’s doing is acceptable. And, much to her dismay, that’s not the response she got. Personally, while I still don’t like alternate Olivia, I liked seeing her start to question what she’s doing.

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      • BklynBetty says

        “I didn’t feel she was as much testing Peter’s loyalty to over here, but that she was looking for justification for her own loyalty to her side and what she’s doing for them.”

        I also saw that conversation in this way. Her conscience is beginning to catch up with her, i think. As she says to the shapeshifter trying to dissuade him from transmitting another pulse – ‘no more innocent people have to die.”

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        • SF says

          “So asking Peter about what he would do seemed to be her way of trying to seek reassurance that what she’s doing is acceptable. And, much to her dismay, that’s not the response she got. Personally, while I still don’t like alternate Olivia, I liked seeing her start to question what she’s doing.”

          Yes, I do too. I think that’s why I enjoyed her so much this episode (as much as I can when I want our Olivia back over here!) – it’s almost as if seeing Peter dote on her, and seeing them genuinely trying to solve the machine, and her contact with them that she’s seeing them as people now. I think this is what Newton feared, and he was right to (for the success of the mission), but I also think that this is how they eventually succeed in saving both worlds – it’s not just because Peter figures out the machine, it will be because AltLiv has something to tell the other side about our world. Although, that may be stretching it, because she still seems set on seeing one of them destroyed,it’s like she can’t stretch her brain enough to see other possibilities. Maybe AltLiv can’t imagine? Can’t perceive how things can be different? it’s a very interesting, nuanced performance AT is doing in showing the differences between the two Olivia’s. I don’t hate AltLiv, like I said above to another commenter – and that’s something. I don’t like her either, I dont’ know anything about her enough to judge her on her own. Even in the AU, we are getting Olivia colouring AltLiv so it’s hard to know how AltLiv would really be. She does seem much more passive than Olivia, though.

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          • Pierce says

            There does seem to be a lack of imagination on Altlivia’s part. I can appreciate that she does come from the perspective of seeing her world decaying at a rapid rate and wanting to protect it. I can empahtize with her in that regard. However, I find myself unable to relate to the fact that although she’s emotionally less burdened than Olivia, she appears to lack the same imagination, forethought or perhaps the better word is sympathy that practically defines who our Olivia is as a person.

            So, like you, I don’t hate her, but I don’t like her either. Hopefully, that will change since the cracks are beginning to show. I believe she knows she’s way in over her head with this assignment. I also believe Peter’s response to her attempt to have him validate her actions threw her for a loop. It should be nice to see her grapple with her conscious going forward to add some much needed dimension to her character.

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  15. Jimi says

    Am I the only one who didn’t really like the idea of the “first people” and this “ancient machine” that is the “key to the universe”! It just felt a little bit over the top to me :/ I hope this doesn’t mean I’m going to dislike the rest of the season aswell :P

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    • LMH says

      If there’s one thing I know about this show, it’s that no matter how crazy and over the top the idea might be when you take a step back, the writers and characters will make it so engaging that you will get sucked into the story. One of the showrunners (or JJ?) said that that was one of the keys to the show, that if you care enough about the characters you will be excited by the story and buy into the craziest of plots. I think they will make you want to believe ; )

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    • Count Screwloose says

      I get your point, but I think they know just how that sounds and make a conscious effort to deflate that kind of thing, such as last night’s “All right, but if you break the universe this time…!”

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    • Sanj says

      Just replying to myself here…if you check out the page you’ll find the “number station” featured in this episode of Fringe is called the “Swedish Rhapsody” station. (The musical “ice cream wagon” chime is the same)

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      • Lila says

        Yeah I’ve herad of them before and was so happy to see they explored it on this episode!! Really great episode by the way. I have no time for a long comment otherwise I’d write more, but what made me REALLY glad was to see that now Altlivia will regret having killed Newton. When the shapeshifter asked her what was his next mission she was totally clueless. And I bet that the reason why he was “sloppy” was because Newton isn’t here anymore… Haha.

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        • says

          My take on it wasn’t that the shapeshifter was sloppy, but that our Fringe team is exceeding good at locating the details that make a difference in the case. The shapeshifter even said, “Who are these guys!”.

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          • Sanj says

            The two-eye-colour shapeshifter really seemed…out of it. Don’t know how to describe it other than he was a total DORK. “Who are these people?” Have we ever seen a shapeshifter as moronic as this?

            Anyway…the “numbers station” Nina plays in her office is also on the above web page. Really cool that Fringe is using these recordings. Shortwave is a lot of fun to explore…I encourage anyone interested to tune it in.

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  16. Schwerer Gustav says

    Great episode to be sure.

    I tend to think at this point that Walternate has planted the pieces of doomsday
    machine “the vacumn creator” in the good universe, caused the number code to be broken through the use of the mystery book with the key (bookseller = shapeshifter?) so that the team will now dig up and assemble the device, the actuator of which Peter has been testing in the lab. This the typewriters “next phase” of this plan.

    Possible.. this show is so great. In this episode there was also a observer in the scene when Peter dug the memory unit out of the shapeshifters back the camera pulled back to just Peter and AlterOlivia with a yellow police tape in the background. There is a observer behind the police tape in front of the bushes.

    Is there a site where fans track just observer signings from each episode.?

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  17. Jophan says

    Yeah, I think it’s pretty bizarre that the shapeshifter found it surprising our team could (1) trace a fingerprint and (2) trace the purchase of milspec electronics.

    The shapeshifter having an out-of-town criminal record also reminds me of John Mosley (The Arrival) and Matthew Ziegler (The Ghost Network). Someone in the forums speculated that the Beacon may have been related to the pieces of the machine and the number broadcasts; if so, might Mosley have been a shapeshifter? Ziegler was tied to the use of amber which is tied to the AU. It would be a small positive point for the AU if the shapeshifters normally target criminals.

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  18. Xochitl says

    okay, that was too much information, so let me see if I got this straight: the numbers or wathever are coordinates for the pieces of the machine, the vacuum, the machine was buried by the “First people” (who I assumed Sam Weiss is part of) and somehow, I imagine the observers or someone else had to do with it (but who else? those are the only guys who can travel through time) Walternate got hold of the orignal drawing (the thing with Peter in it) and knows that it causes either creation or destruction and that’s how he is trying to save his world and destroy the other? Did I got everything?

    I can’t even write properly, it was a huge episode; about the plot I love that conflict in Peter, I do think he is going to kind of make de desition to fix this when the time comes, and for the first time I do think that both sides have a chance, if the machine causes creation and destruction why can’t it be manipulated to do once for both? and I know Rocco has said this like a million times; that peter has become a plot device to tell the story in general, I have had this idea in my head for a few weeks now that all this is preparation for Peter, at the end the plot and everything is going to go to him (possibly last season and half of the previous one), i believe he is going to decide, and this episode was huge for the character, well I think I’m sure somebody is going to probe me wrong about that, but I finally saw something in him, FINALLY!!!

    okay, on the obvious elephant in the room Olivia is going to have to move from that freaking apartment (pardon that) and burn EVERYTHING! the sheets, the bed, her clothes, Peter, okay not him but close enough.

    I saw Bolivia as if suddenly I was seeing Olivia in some parts, she got some things right finally, her hands and body movements are starting to look like our oliiva, which I believe has to do with what she did with Peter. I was rewatching “Olivia” and “The plateau” and it’s as if Bolivia is like bipolar, meaning, like she is going between olivia and bolivia and in this episode she is definetly going towards olivia, now she really took over, I hate that, she is definetly now feeling something for Peter, it’s not going to be that easier for her anymore, she fell for him now, and I hate peter for hugging her.

    How about that with the photographic memory, she almost got caught! and I know Nina knows now, she felt it, maybe she didn’t quite finished processing the idea but she knows now.

    I loved astrid in this episde, but it’s as if suddenly she was becoming alstrid, did Bolivia gave her something?

    I’m just too excited, is as if everything just moved, the whole plot, and next week is going to be awesome, can I hate thanksgiving, really one more week in the middle to wait?

    I definetly liked this too much, not a ten, but a close 9 and something. :)

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    • runpaceyrun says

      Im with you….i loved this episode. It was jam packed with information and i could not take my eyes off the sceen. At the end of the episode i felt as though everyone on our side was in mortal danger and i wanted to scream at Olivia…run …get outta there!
      Fringe really is awesome!

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  19. Xochitl says

    I forgot, what about that question bolivia made to Peter? is she testing him like on Walternate’s orders or is she really curious about what peter would choose, or is she so into him right now that she wants to get to know him? I just don’t know what to make of it.

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    • Lila says

      I think that she thought Peter would save our universe in any circumstances, so she wanted to make him consider the other universe as a place that is also worth saving (indirectly). She only didn’t know what his thoughts were, and when he said that there’s always another way, you could see that Altlivia didn’t expect, and liked what he said. Well, if she’s going to fall for him, I hope that Peter chooses Olivia and rub it in Altliv’s face, so that she regrets what she’d done forever Haha (evil thinking ^^’, I don’t really want this to happen, still…)

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      • matt says

        yeah I think the other-side-rs who are in the know all think we’re asshole cause Walternate told them we’re ‘monsters’ etc. and Peter surprised her as did ‘our’ whole world as Newton told her ‘it is alluring’ (probably as much for her/them as their side is for us, or pretty close cause there’s is cooler…).

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  20. Cortexifan says

    Great episode. Although I hate that Peter and Bolivia slept together and are all over Olivia’s apartment, I kinda liked that scene. It seemed very natural. The chemistry between Anna and Joshua is great and it comes out there.
    Great acting again by Anna. I love how she plays Bolivia and then slips up (for lack of a better term) and tries to save the situation, like with Nina or Markham.
    Loved the car scene as far as content. Is the light coming on Peter? I was surprised that she pulled if off and remembered the numbers. It did seem though the scene wasn’t quit polished, the sound was off, probably not the best green screen shot or whatever technical term you want to use. ( I usually don’t point out bad stuff that much but this one bothered me).
    When they found the second cube I loved how Anna was playing with her eyes. (the same in 3.04 when Walter was trying to extract info from the tin can) Can we give her an award for best expressional acting.
    Heard some of the music from the end scene of 3.04, love it, can’t wait and hope for another soundtrack.
    Nina and Markham suspect something.
    Wondering too with the question she asked Peter at the end if she is going to change her mind about this side and what happens when she goes back, will she try to convince Walternate that it’s not so bad. Or will she make it back at all.
    Loved the preview for next week although I think we saw beyond one episode.
    Can’t wait and I don’t like it either that Thanksgiving is on a Thursday.

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  21. mlj102 says

    Fringe has delivered yet another solid episode. While I don’t think I’m as thrilled with this episode as some people seem to be, I still really enjoyed it and found it to be a great addition to the season and I felt that it lived up to the standard of high quality episodes that has been set this season.

    Am I the only one who was annoyed by Walter’s attitude in the first half of the episode? It really bothered me the way he was so openly opposed to Peter’s choice to investigate the machine.

    For starters, he’s really in no position to be telling Peter what he should and shouldn’t be doing. Really. Given the fragile nature of their relationship after Peter found out the truth, I would think Walter should be giving Peter quite a bit of space and freedom in what he does. He should be working hard to be good to Peter and treat him with respect and love in the hopes of restoring their broken relationship. Seriously, he should just be grateful that Peter is even willing to be in the same room as him, not arguing with him about what he chooses to do. So looking at it from that perspective, I felt like Walter was really pushing his luck by treating Peter that way.

    But in addition to that, I felt like it was rather hypocritical of Walter to be lecturing Peter on considering the consequences and not playing with fire. He’s really the last person who should be giving Peter a hard time about that. I can understand that recent events have opened Walter’s eyes to the reality of what he did and how it was wrong, so the last thing he wants is for something equally as bad to happen again. But for a man who isn’t sure he wouldn’t make the same choice again if faced with the same circumstances, it just doesn’t seem right for him to be so actively opposed to Peter doing something that is still better than what he himself did.

    I could understand it if he disagreed with Peter’s choice to investigate the weapon, but it just didn’t seem right for him to approach it the way he did. Consequently, I really didn’t like Walter at all for most of this episode. He has to do a lot to redeem himself before I can accept and tolerate him acting like that.

    Moving on to another topic, I haven’t seen anyone mention the scene between Peter and alternate Olivia after she shot the shapeshifter out the window. It was sweet to see Peter all concerned for her and I even didn’t mind it, if not for the fact that it’s the wrong Olivia. In fact, I felt like all the relationship scenes in this episode were handled quite well and they served as proof to me that Fringe could theoretically successfully pull off a relationship between the two lead characters without it ruining the show or taking away from the main focus. But what bugged me about this scene, aside from the fact that Peter’s with the wrong Olivia, was the fact that alternate Olivia’s reaction was completely wrong. Olivia has been in far more threatening situations (What Lies Below, Olivia. In the Lab, Ability, etc) yet she’s never had a breakdown like that. Confronting a single shapeshifter is hardly cause for panic in the life of Olivia Dunham. But alternate Olivia acted in a completely frightened way. And that’s completely uncharacteristic of our tough Olivia. And it’s yet another thing that Peter should have picked up on. (As a side note, how ironic was it that Peter’s response to alternate Olivia’s question about what she did to deserve him being so good to her, was that it was all just for her being who she is, when in reality, what Peter doesn’t know is that she isn’t who he thinks she is? Nice one. He’s going to look back on all of this and just completely beat himself up for not noticing and for falling for her deception.)

    Random theory: When Walter was complaining about how he couldn’t figure out the device the shapeshifters used to send the amnesia wave, he said something along the lines of how everything he knows about electronics says that the device shouldn’t work. It made me wonder if that’s kind of the point. Everything HE knows says it shouldn’t work, but if the device is from the other side, what he knows may not apply. I think he needs to change his way of thinking. It made me think that maybe Astrid wasn’t too far off in her suggestion that maybe he had reversed the poles. Maybe it’s something like that… something backwards of what is fact over here, that explains how the device works.

    I also really liked Nina’s comment to Walter about the Observer picture of the machine, that it was a drawing, not destiny. I think that plays in quite prominently to ideas that have been brought up in Fringe about choices and destiny and fate. Roco has talked a lot about this in the past, particularly where Olivia is concerned, so I expect he will jump on this particular line in his review.

    One final thing, then I’m done (I promise). I really liked the scene where Walter talked to Becky as she tried to come to terms with her amnesia. She mentioned how she looks at the pictures and sees herself in them, but she still doesn’t recognize her husband or her baby. So, essentially, it was like she was on the outside looking in; like she was looking at her life, but it might just as well have been the life of a stranger because she didn’t remember it. This just struck me as significant in continuing the theme this season of doubles and alternates and identity and a life that looks like your life, but isn’t. In a way, she’s not that different from Olivia who has temporarily lost the memories of who she is. And in that kind of situation, even though they’re looking at their own life, they feel like they’re a completely different person. They don’t recognize their own life. It highlights the importance of memory and life’s experiences.

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    • Hatch says

      The way Walter was acting bothered me too, until I realized that he was doing it because he’s terrified that Peter will get killed by working on this machine. And based on what they know already, I’d say that’s a valid fear.

      At any rate, Nina brought him around…

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      • jophan says

        It’s always struck me that Walter’s love for Peter is obsessive. He simply can’t cope with the idea that Peter would voluntarily continue a project that he has been warned could lead to his death. So, yes, he was being pretty obnoxious about it. I’m a little surprised even Nina was able to bring him around.

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        • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

          “It’s always struck me that Walter’s love for Peter is obsessive. He simply can’t cope with the idea that Peter would voluntarily continue a project that he has been warned could lead to his death.”

          Me too!! But isn’t Walter supposed to protect Peter at all costs?? Isn’t that what the Observers warned him about?? Or is it maybe just a symptom of his mental illness–obsessive tendencies, like wondering if the stove is still on or the toaster will burn the house down…

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          • Pierce says

            Honestly, I thought Walter chiding Peter about continuing to build the device was valid, and made sense from Walter’s perspective. One, Walter has the knowledge of what September told him about Peter having to live, and everything about that device suggests if Peter builds it, he won’t be alive much longer.

            Also, I thought the almost shameful, ‘If I don’t object to Peter building this weapon, who will? Although, I’m probably not really in the position to tell him anything given what I’ve done in the past in the name of science,’ tone he took when he called Peter was very Walter-like and appropriate for the situation. He’s afraid as one would expect him to be. But I also believe that even as Walter protested against Peter continuing his efforts, he knew he’d eventually support him in doing so, which is what that final scene as they stood side by side over another piece of the device symbolized. And that might scare him more than anything.

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            • number six says

              Well said. It is true that Walter has this obsessive love for Peter and Peter’s well-being is of the utmost importance to him, but he’s also aware that this is exactly, what Walternate wants (Peter is aware of this, too) and the consequences of going to far. The thing is that it doesn’t matter, that Peter has to find his way and make his own mistakes, it’s natural for parents to want to protect their kids from hurt. Walter wants to protect him and obviously destroying universes is no small issue, either. I liked that he had to struggle with this, before he decided to help Peter.

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              • Pierce says

                So did I. I don’t want this to be easy for Walter, because there is the issue of his own redemption that plays into what’s going on. I would have been more worried if Walter had been excited to build that device knowing it’s potential and given the damage he’s done ignoring the warnings exceeding man’s domain into God’s. It’s a slippery tightrope, and in re-watching the episode last night, the conversation between Walter and Peter as well as Walter and Nina’s conversation on the school bench made me think ‘Peter’ when Carla and Nina both pleaded with Walter not to cross over. It’s like history is in a way repeating itself. Which makes me wonder, is this why the Observers are so keenly interested in these scientific, natural and unnatural events because they witnessed the distinguishing of the first people?

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                • says

                  I agree with many of you. Walter, while being fairly snarky, was projecting his overall concern for Peter. Most parents do the exact same thing. Consider the parent who drank a lot when they were a teenager. As they mature and realize how dangerous that behaviour was, most people would strongly urge their kids to avoid alcohol as teens and would get pretty angry if they caught them doing so. This is exactly what I see Walter doing with Peter, although instead of alcohol, we’re talking about destruction of universes which carries a much bigger threat not only to Peter but to humanity as a whole. So yes, Walter has gone down that road. But rather than calling him a hypocrit, maybe we can just say he’s learning the errors of his ways and is hoping to protect his son. His feeling seem justified to me, although I thought he acted childish and petty in how he went about expressing those feelings.

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    • LizW65 says

      “(As a side note, how ironic was it that Peter’s response to alternate Olivia’s question about what she did to deserve him being so good to her, was that it was all just for her being who she is, when in reality, what Peter doesn’t know is that she isn’t who he thinks she is? Nice one.”

      I picked up on that too. I also thought Walter’s remark to Peter about “indulging in dangerous behavior” or some such could be interpreted as a warning about Peter’s relationship with Altlivia. (Yeah, I know neither man is aware of her identity, but I thought it was a little nod to the situation by the writers.)

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    • SF says

      Yes to the AltLiv playing the role of breakdown victim – Olivia would never do that, not even when she called Peter for help at the end of Olivia.In the Lab. I noticed that right away too. I wondered that Broyles didn’t comment on it – on their relationship, or on AltLiv jumping into Peter’s arms for comfort like that! Surely as her boss he’d have something to say about professional duty etc. But as a distraction from what really happened in the room – it worked. Again.

      I liked that Walter talked to Becky too, and how he understood in so few words how she felt. I could feel him calming her down, through the tv! lol I thought it was a comment on the doubles as well, and how Olivia is going to feel like a stranger in her own life,when she comes back and finds out no one really noticed she was gone. *shiver*

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      • LizW65 says

        mlj wrote: “But what bugged me about this scene…was the fact that alternate Olivia’s reaction was completely wrong. Olivia has been in far more threatening situations…yet she’s never had a breakdown like that…alternate Olivia acted in a completely frightened way. And that’s completely uncharacteristic of our tough Olivia.” (snipped, sorry)

        I found that odd too. We’ve seen Olivia shoot shapeshifters before with far less reaction. Maybe, as Number Six suggests further on, this is how she THINKS her alternate ought to react, because she perceives her as weak? (Is that Newton’s influence talking? Remember, he was the first to call OurLiv weak for choosing to save Walter.) Her bringing Walter food was a big red flag for me too–we’ve never seen her do that before, as I recall.

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        • says

          Red flag: She was tasked, via the typewriter, to work on Walter Bishop. I think her being so nice to him, bringing him food, gently touching him on the arm, are ways for her to subtley draw him to her and let down his guard so that maybe he will reveal some secrets to her. Other than that, they’ve given us no overt information about her mission as it pertains to Walter.

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          • BklynBetty says

            I also saw this action (bringing Walter food) as another little play on the role reversals going on throughout this episode. Peter taking charge of the investigation, Astrid solving the ancient number code, and Olivia (Altliv) bringing pastry – something that in any other episode in either of the previous seasons (with Ourliv) would fall to Peter or Astrid.

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          • mlj102 says

            I was under the impression that her mission with Walter was the same as it was with Peter: to get him to start actively working towards investigating and studying the parts of the weapon. For whatever reason, Walternate wants them to be building the weapon over here, so he needed both of them to be committed to that purpose. But of course she had to try a different tactic where Walter was concerned. And that’s where Nina came in. Yes, her doing kind things for Walter was part of her attempts to work on him, but her big move was asking Nina to talk to Walter. And, as we saw, she succeeded because Walter went from being directly opposed to working on the weapon, to supporting Peter in his decision and agreeing to work on it with him. That’s why she’s now being instructed to move on to phase two. I don’t really see any mystery regarding her orders up to this point.

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            • Pierce says

              Speaking of phase two, I may be jumping ahead here although, I’ve read no spoilers, so, this is mere speculation. What do you guys think phase two consists of?

              Walternate tells alternate Broyles that discovering how Olivia is able to move between universes safely without causing further damage to either universe would help them in defending themselves. But how? He’s discovered a way to send shapeshifters through that barrier, and it’s not clear (not that I recall) that this causes environmental damage for either side, but so far, our side has no defense against them until their actually confronted physically. They don’t know who they are or where they’re located until an incident occurs. In the meanwhile, they’re able to cause all types of damage. If the Cortxiphan children are meant to protect this universe, then they’re seriously behind the curve. Walternate is already six moves ahead of our universe. So, it makes me think discovering how Olivia travels safely means he wants to use that ability not to defend his world, but to extract something from ours before he destroys it…namely Peter. Maybe.

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  22. AnOlive says

    This episode showed more Altlivia like she came across in the overthere episodes 3 and 5; we know from episode 5 that Fringe Overthere has to quarantine innocent people for the Greater Good; here she is in the world of the enemy and she has consideration with the victims.

    I have a feeling that when she returns to the other side, she will be the biggest opponent of Walternate.
    I loved the scene between Altlivia and Nina.
    Another brilliant performance by Anna Torv this episode.

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    • Ann_Louise says

      “I have a feeling that when she returns to the other side, she will be the biggest opponent of Walternate.”

      Please let this work out. If Peter’s “finding another way” idea is anything to go by, “getting rid” of Altlivia doesn’t have to mean killing her off, just getting her home. She’s not an inherently bad person, but I think that her competitive nature, mixed with a dose of “wow Mr. Secretary chose ME to save our world” has brought out the worst in her.

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  23. andrewsauer says

    Let me start by saying I have loved this show since the pilot and it is easily the best thing on TV. Up until this episode I would say that this season has been flawless. However, I re-watched this episode last night and it didn’t hold up nearly as well as any of the other episodes this season. Here’s my beef: Where’s my continuity from last week? Newton, the main antagonist of the last 20 episodes, died inside his secure cell hours after being captured and nobody seems to notice. As far as they know Newton is running the show on this side and when he mysteriously dies nobody investigates. Really? I guess they just put his file in the same forgotten filing cabinet with Isaac Winters and all the other ZFT guys from season 1.
    Not only that but the actual story from this episode was weak. Outside of the scenes with Nina, Markam, and the first people this episode was a snoozefest. Also if the first people predate dinosaurs how do the latitude and longitude lines still match. So much for the great continental shift millions of years back. Don’t get me wrong I love the way the season is shaping up and next week’s episode is gonna make me cream my jeans.

    Also anybody else think the shapeshifter’s eyes being two different colors meant something. First thing Walter does when he sees Pete in the pilot is check his eyes. Also in the comics they say that MD has a cloning machine that can make perfect copies of organic beings, the only difference being the eyes are two different colors. Well that’s all I got right now

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  24. SugaredWhimsey says

    While I was initially willing to buy that Peter, being grateful that Olivia came for him, needy because he has ouchie Daddy-issues and pleased that Olivia likes him back OMG, might interpret the change in Olivia as the positive effects of being in a healthy relationship (Since we all know how her last one ended…) we’ve gotten to the point where there are so many glaring inconsistencies in her personality that I want the whole cast to pull their heads out of their butts.
    Seriously? In this episode alone we have the huge grammar oops, the stumbling over numbers, AND the “Oh Noes, I shot the bad man, Peter, Hold me!”. With even Nina looking at Fauxlivia askance there had better so totally be someone who has some idea of what’s going on. I could buy it, if Fauxlivia wasn’t so obvious, and if the whole thing wasn’t filmed in this complete “Durr, hey kids, guess what! That’s not Olivia!” way.
    Oh I’ll forgive Fringe because I love it, but there had better be a payoff at the other end. Like, we get to keep Charlie. Oh Charlie, how I miss thee!

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  25. number six says

    One of the best things of this episode is that it showed how in tune with each other Astrid, Peter and Walter are. Nina mentioned Walter’s core optimism, which was reflected on his son’s “There is always hope, right?” and Walter’s “Creation and destruction… I suppose we’ll have to hope for the former.” I love this.

    We also had the “Humor me!” from Peter and later Astrid. And what about the role reversal between Astrid and Walter? She was the one, that got stuck and could think of any ideas. She was the one that had some food. And she got the idea on how to crack the code from a random remark from Walter.

    Their family dynamic is beautiful to behold.

    Apart from this, another scene that I enjoyed hugely was that cringe-worthy hug, after Altlivia killed the shapeshifter. That’s the only moment, where I haven’t found Altlivia utterly boring. She’s pure comic relief here, because she’s getting everything wrong. Peter is just in protective mode doing the calming touch with his hand on her face, just like he does with Walter. He only cares that she’s okay and is not really listening to her blabbering. It’s interesting that she’s choosing to act so weak. Maybe that’s how she sees our Olivia.

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    • says

      Yes, I saw that hug as something that Peter probably has always wanted to do to Olivia when he’s come upon her immediately after a life-threatening event. His wish was fulfilled for once and he probably attributes Altlivia’s “weakness” at that point to their increaslingly intimate relationship. He probably sees it as a sign of progress that she’s not relying solely on herself during times of trial.

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  26. Leonardo Souza (Brazil) says

    well, first of all, congratulations! best fringe website.

    now, I have a few questions, would be great if someone could help:

    1) the pieces of the device that are over here, are the pieces that are missing over there? if so, how and when were they “splited”? Or the device over there is complete (only missing Peter) and now they are playing with Peter to collect the pieces over here and start the device anyways?
    2) these First People is a known theory or started now with Fringe?

    thanks so much!

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    • says

      We really don’t know if they are peices that are missing from the device over there, or if it is a second device that, once all the peices are found, will be a complete and funcitonal device. In fact, we don’t really even know if this is the same device at all and not just another peice of old tech that enhances the other device. But yes, they were definitely wanting the team to find it.

      I think the First People probably isn’t a real thing, but as with many things on Fringe, there must be some rumours out there about some kind of ancient civilization that was highly advanced and subsequently wiped out. Many concepts from fringe are based on theories found in real life.

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  27. Leonardo Souza (Brazil) says

    oh, and another question:

    I dont get it, did AltLivia want our Fringe Team to find out the locations of the device?
    If so, why “hire” the shifter to put that pulse and erase people´s minds?

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    • Lila says

      Oi Leonardo! =D
      Vou te responder em inglês pros outros poderem ler também!

      1- It wasn’t explained yet, but I think that the pieces are in both universes hidden, only that the Alt-universe has already found them, because they already knew about the first people ( I’m not really sure about that though, I’m saying it because in the opening of the Alt-universe “first people” appears). And it seems that the pieces have been here for a VERY long time, since the first people were the ones who created it (?)

      2- I haven’t found nothing on it, so I guess it’s invented by the writers (not sure though)

      3- Yeah, Walternate wants the team to be working on the device, and if we follow the though that they still need to find the pieces. So Altlivia is here to make sure they find it and work on it. And I think that the shapeshifter was working under Newton’s command, because doing the “risky” work (risk of being found), is the shapeshifter’s job

      I hope I helped you a bit! =)

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      • Leonardo Souza (Brazil) says

        Hey Lila, glad to see that are others brazilians “over here” hehe

        thanks for let me know your thoughts.

        however, I do think that the shifter was working under AltLivia orders this time.
        She needed the Fringe Team to crack the code, so she organized the whole erase the mind and supernatural thing..

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  28. cortexifan says

    So, they know that shapeshifters have a data storage ddevice in their bodies, did they check Newton’s? Do they even know that he’s dead? Just throwing it out there.

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    • says

      I’m assuming they know he’s dead since he was in custody while it happened. I think we were to assume that the wafer he took wiped all his memory rendering any information irretrievable. Newton would be the last “person” to allow any valuable information to fall into the wrong hands.

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