Are you Donald?
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FRINGE: Are You Donald?
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I know someone named Donald, but i haven’t seen him. Yet.
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I hope it’s not a new character. They’ve been hiding his identity for too long for it to be a new character, it’d be totally underwhelming.
Then again, I can’t think of an living character he could be.
I’ve seen the Sam Weiss theory thrown about which has now been debunked (dead in 5.09).
I doubt it’s Donald Long from 2.08 as they are both very different looking people.
Is Donald September-with-hair? I personally think Observer Child “Michael” is destined to become September.
Is Donald a younger William Bell? An easy way of getting around Leonard Nimoy coming back?
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Donald Long, of course, was the assassin hired (by persons unknown) to kill the girl August was protecting, and wound up killing August himself. September was in that whole scene pretty deep, so I could see him doing an identity switch with Long in order to challenge those Observers he doesn’t like. It’s just half a theory, but I do expect/hope to see September again.
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For me it’s an older Lincoln, back from the other universe.
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Could be . . . although would he have been in his late thirties in 2015? Possibility, nonetheless. I do hope it’s someone we’ve already met. I would be disappointed if it was a new character. Whoever it is, bring him on now, please!
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I think its so obvious its September
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The Lincoln notion makes absolutely no sense. September as Donald would be interesting. I still think its Donald Long though (guy who used to work as a hit man for the observers and was last seen after he killed August). That would be a solid call back and there could be tons of information learned about the observers from that reveal.
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I’m guessing the reason they showed us that the tech could very easily be removed, and allow the wearer to revert back to humanity is so it could be feasible to think September took his out, and is now Donald.
But in case that theory isn’t correct I am going to provide a list of past characters that, due to the small glimpses we have seen, could be Donald. This of course is sticking with the idea that Donald MUST be someone we know. Otherwise why hide his identity, and make a big thing out of it?
So here is a list of potential Donalds:
Brandon Fayette (Blue/Amber version)
Lincoln Lee (now redverse replacement)
Nick Lane (Amber version)
Canaan (The goodhearted human shapeshifter from season 4)
Elliot Michaels (Cia Agent from season 1 who tried to acquire the inner child [Michael])
As I said I like the “Donald is a deactivated September” theory, but barring that then the above list represents characters most likely to be Donald due to relevance, age, and build. Out of those listed I think the most interesting ones would be Nick Lane, and Canaan. Nick, because he would still be cortexiphan active, and he himself is an empath. Canaan, because it would be really cool to see him still helping the Fringe team all these years later, plus then any actor could play him due to his shifting ability.
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I think its got to be either September or Bell. I think its September just based on the story of S5.
I think the other characters you listed just aren’t big enough characters to the mythology. If it turns out to be any of them I think I’ll be pretty disappointed.
I mean teasing this all out to reveal Brandon? No thank you ;p
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But Nick Lane would make total sense due to him being an empath like Michael is. I really don’t think it would be Bell. we have seen glimpses of Donald, (too young to be Bell) and also the tree bark people said he was in his 30′s in 2015/2016.
But as I said I think it will be September sans implant.
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It’s UNfeasible that September could remove his tech, he would most definitely die (as the Observer did in 5.05), he’s had it in for too long.
Peter was lucky in his easy removal that he’d only had it in for a matter of days, his brain had not been irrevocably altered.
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No, Peter ripped it out of the Observer with no regard to his well being, that is why he died. What makes you think it was because he’d had it too long that killed him?
Showing us that Peter (with his super knowledge) was able to easily remove it proves it is possible, thus feasible.
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All Peter did was cut open the Observer’s neck and pull the device out. The Observer promptly died.
As you will have seen in 5.08, the tech eventually morphs the brain until it is unrecognizable. The brain becomes wholly dependent on that tech and without it they die.
Peter hadn’t had the device for long and so his brain hadn’t morphed, hence why he didn’t die when he removed it.
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“As you will have seen in 5.08, the tech eventually morphs the brain until it is unrecognizable. The brain becomes wholly dependent on that tech and without it they die.”
This is your theory,(in italics) it has not been proven to be true or fact.
“All Peter did was cut open the Observer’s neck and pull the device out. The Observer promptly died.”
Watch it again, he did it violently.
I know you don’t want Donald to be September, because you want Michael to be September. Unfortunately I don’t think Michael is September, even though that would be cool.
Reason being; The kid has not aged in 21+ years. So unless he starts aging he couldn’t be September. I have a theory that the Observer tech implant slows or stops entropy for the wearer, so that they age either very slowly, or not at all. I believe the kid has the implant otherwise why is he hairless, and why does he experience time like an Observer?
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I agree with you about the Tech, Rick. Peter obviously didn’t bother making a fine incision to remove that Observer’s Tech like he did on himself. Plus there was a lot of blood.
If it is kept in long enough the changes become permanent anyway. Why would the Tech even be necessary after that? Let alone cause an Observer’s death upon its removal. Maybe they keep it in just for their abilities.
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I agree with you on that! I also think that Peter should still have improved brain function from the changes the tech made to his brain. While, they weren’t “permanent”, he should NOT have reverted back to normal immediately. Wouldn’t the increased ridges be there, with Peter’s brain CHANGED but not so much to eradicate feeling? Kinda like the best of both worlds. Increased brain funtion but not as much as an observer, but not SO MUCH that he loses his ability to have feelings? His brain just immediately went back to normal? Weird. Anyway, I think that Donald SHOULD NOT be September. I kinda disagree with you and Rick. I think that taking the implant out of the Observer, while I agree it was violent and without regard to his safety, was made to seem like he died when the implant was removed. I mean, Peter didn’t exactly take his time taking his out either. He just knifed his skull and yanked it out without looking. I think the temporary/permanent change situation was in play with Peter. Just my opinion though, we will have to agree to disagree until we are all given more information. I think Donald is either Bell or Lincoln. It had better not be a new character. I would flip. But, I think it CAN’T be September based on the information we saw. Oh and yes, the child HAS NOT aged. But, the Observers are from 600 years in the future. Maybe 1 year = 50 years to an Observer as far as growth goes? Windmark is clearly an older gentleman than September, so there has to be some sort of aging process. Of course, there are no women Observers so who knows how they give birth/age/grow?
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Rick im going with Linc Lee
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I really think it could be September, based on what March below said. Reminding us that Walter said “What happened to him was… well, unexpected” and he is my first pic, I like Nick Lane for the second spot, mainly because of the empath connection to Michael, plus Donald resembles Nick from behind. I like Linc for the third spot, because of…well you know…
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Oh yeah, I forgot about what Walter said. Of course, after they went to Kelvin and got the 2 beacons I thought that was part of getting September back (and 1 other “good” Observer?) Kinda like, September was sent off to another Universe/Timeline/Bizzaro World and would come back when they activate the beacon to start kicking some ass! But, I guess that would COMPLETELY line up with that Walter quote. But, as I said above, I think that taking the tech out of an Observer kills them. I know you don’t agree and you very well could be 100% correct (meaning I am 100% wrong), but they way the Observer died when Peter took out the tech led ME to believe that there was cause/effect with the tech. I didn’t think that it was because of Peter’s lack of concern over the Observer’s health. I mean, hundreds of years with that thing embedded in your brain and sending it electrical signals (once again, I am reaching by assuming that Observer had been one for hundreds of years) and it would be quite a shock to have it yanked out suddenly.
Also, with the Beacon(s) recovered, wouldn’t it make it feel more badass (especially since Windmark’s boss is on his way) to have September AND another character return? I like your idea of Nick Lane. It would feel like more of the “Avengers Assemble” finale I am hoping for. Peter can shove the Observer tech back in (although I have been arguing vehemently that Peter should NOT have reverted back to normal immediately after removing the Observer tech since it made SOME changes to his brain just not enough to permanently remove his “feelings”). Olivia can juice herself with Cortexiphan. The “Over There” crew can come with Cyborg parts or something. J/K about most of this stuff.
What I am not kidding about is that I believe September is already in the mix and it sells us short by only giving us September as Donald. My guess? Charlie Francis! I am still pissed about Season 4. We had a bunch of dead characters return (Alt-Broyles and the aforementioned Nick Lane) but not Charlie. Alt-Charlie at least got 2 lines about him being on his honeymoon with the “bug-girl” but NOT ONE WORD about Charlie. Charlie Donald Francis? Probably not, but it is what I am hoping for. Unless they get Zachary Quinto to play a young Spock…errr William Bell (he IS in good with J.J. Abrams). That would make the most sense (not really, it would leave a ton of new questions unanswered about how a young William Bell helped the team, which could be awesome if the answers are cool answers).
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after watching this promo again, the body shape looks like it could be Nick Lane actually.
but why hide his identity? So it possibly could be September minus the tech
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I vote for Canaan, but who knows…:)
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Allright, I have decided that I believe it is a young William Bell. More specifically, the Red Universe William Bell that “died in a car crash as a young man”. Similar to 3.10 “Firefly”, Roscoe Joyce lost HIS son to a car crash, but September pulled him out just before that to move FORWARD IN TIME to help Peter, Walter, Olivia and the gang. I believe this for 3 reasons:
1. I have stopped the image of “Donald” repeatedly on “Through The Looking Glass…” and it appears that the ONLY person that we have been discussing who fits the facial description of what I can see is William Bell. It almost looks superimposed, as if they had a stand-in actor who had a superimposed Leonard Nimoy face places on him for the 1 or 2 frames where his face is visible. It looks like his facial shape changes slightly when he isn’t facing the camera. PLEASE, IF SOMEONE ELSE TAKES THE TIME TO LOOK IT IS RIGHT AFTER ON OF THE COMMERCIAL BREAKS WHEN WALTER, MICHAEL, AND DONALD ARE IN THE ROOM WHERE THEY LEAVE MICHAEL. Donald puts the camera down and in the upper-left corner of the screen you can see Donald’s face as he walks past. Now, I previously thought that Donald was a stand-in actor, but now it looks like there is PURPOSE to his face in the brief glimpse we see.
2. William Bell is very purposeful with his hands. Usually, they are either crossed over hand over hand in front of him OR mostly in his pockets. I believe that this is a conscious decision by Leonard Nimoy to give Bell some depth. It stands to reason that if this is the Red Universe William Bell than he would have a similar deliberateness to how he holds his hands. If you look at the picture from “The Recordist”, it is obviously a different actor (at least their hair is a different color altogether) than the one used in “Through The Looking Glass….Walter…” but I believe the way Donald holds his hands is done on purpose. This IS Fringe and they do seem to look into the depths that people like me (us) will go to study this damn show. Plus, I will reiterate. Please look at that scene in “Through The Looking Glass…” and try to freeze it as Donald walks into the camera’s view. It looks like the shape of Leonard Nimoy’s head. More specifically, as if it were modeled after the side of his head that we see as he and Walter are driving to the Red Universe’s Harvard Lab in “Over There Part 2″ as he is chewing red vines.
3. William Bell was NOT a villain in Season 1, Season 2, or Season 3. He was a red herring that we were led to believe was a villain in Season 1. But, he wasn’t even close. Now, I understand HOW he became a villain in Season 4. Walter was changed due to Peter dying twice. He drastically affected EVERYONE around him and that would include Bell. Plus, I could imagine Bell and Walter being similar in their God complex. With 2 Peter deaths, Walter probably went off the deep end even more before having his brain removed. Bell probably started to believe in what Walter was saying and took that and ran with it. Without Peter, there really wasn’t the same Blue vs. Red “war” that was imminent. At least, not in the same way. They never REALLY explain it since Peter wasn’t the one to be in the machine, based on the 1st People book/prophecy drawing, etc. Anyway, I digress. The point is, they took a good guy who we were led to believe was bad in Season 1 and made him a bad guy in Season 4 for real. Then, he helps out the team again when he helps Walter try to defeat the Observers. Then he betrays Walter and humanity again. BY HAVING A YOUNGER “BELLIE” STAY A GOOD GUY, THEY GET TO KEEP THE RUNNING THEME OF GOOD/BAD BEING DIFFERENT BETWEEN UNIVERSES BUT ALSO THEY KEEP ONE OF THE MOST LIKED CHARACTERS IN FRINGE ON THE SIDE OF OUR Fringe Division team! It’s a way to have both. You can have Season 1, 2, and 3′s good William Bell (the type that would sacrifice his life multiple times to save the Universe and/or Olivia). You can also have Season 4′s bad William Bell, in order to make Season 4 still make sense and matter.
ANYWAY…………That is my best guess. Please, someone tell me they agree/disagree, but only after looking at Donald walking into view of the camera when they are in the pocket universe. Tell me it doesn’t look A LOT like Leonard Nimoy. Remember, the showrunners would LOVE to have had William Bell on the show more but due to the retirement and health concerns of Leonard Nimoy they have had to PLAY TRICKS WITH THE CHARACTER like making him a cartoon OR a spirit inside Olivia OR frozen in amber. This is another way to have William Bell be a big part of the show without being too reliant on Leonard Nimoy. Also, they will probably need to use some CGI to make it look like Nimoy on another actor’s face (unless they go with the Spock/Zachary Quinto connection since J.J. Abrams controls his schedule on Star Trek: Into Darkness). That would mean they are stuck waiting until they can blow their whole budget during the SERIES FINALE!
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I wish this intrigued me the way the mystery of Bell’s identity did in season 1…
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I’m very intrigued by who he is and also who the boy Observer is. Whether its tech or was he born that way.
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All the clues tell us that tech has been implanted into the child’s head.
Clue 1: Hairlessness. as we saw the tech was making Peter’s hair fall out.
Clue 2: Being able to remember Olivia across timelines. Only Observers are able to transcend timelines, (with the exception of Peter, but he is an anomaly) and be unaffected by any rewrites.
Theoretical clue: Slow to no aging. I know this hasn’t been explained, but I believe that the tech stops or slows the entropy (cancelling the second law of thermodynamics), thus allowing the wearer to experience slow or no more aging, allowing for life extension. (something a time-traveler would benefit from)
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I was just talking about Donald. I think I’m getting to that point when you stop caring about a whole lot of things because you are let down every other week.
I get that not everyone feels the same way though so don’t mind me and my lack of intrigue
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Hey I know about being cynical, but this season is making me less cynical than I have been since the end of season 3. I feel like we will be satisfied after this is over.
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This is actually my first time! Honestly, I wasn’t like this even during season 4.
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Just remember, with the exception of last year (IMO), every Fringe finale was AWESOME! They really do accomplish A LOT in the last 2 hours of every season. That being said, and this being THE VERY END (eyes welling up), I truly believe that this will be an amazing finale that will make this whole season worth it. It has been kind of slow this season AND there seems to be filler. Seriously, there is only 13 episodes left forever and I swear stuff like the fight with the loyalists in the Black Blotter episode were just jammed in there to give the episode some action/stretch out the season until the finale. Which is unacceptable to me. But, Fringe has ALWAYS (last year being the exception, but I give it a pass since they were unsure of the show’s future!) had unbelievable finales where they spare no expense. I don’t think we will be let down. We might not all agree that we like what happens BUT I don’t think that it will be uneventful. I fully expect the series finale to tie into more than just the Season 5 storyline and actually deal with the series as a whole. At least the last 30 minutes should deal with more that Us vs. Observers. If it’s just an ending to Season 5, but not a Grand Finale of Fringe I will be infuriated. Like, follow Wyman on Twitter and hate on every future project he has just because of Fringe style infuriated!
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Did you know he’s working on a new Abrams pilot about a futuristic buddy cop show that will have androids working alongside humans?
Depending on this finale’s outcome, I plan on checking it out.
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Oh awesome Rick thanks for the heads up! i will be watching that show and i know u will too lol
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You bet chica!
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That’s how I got into Fringe in the first place. I really got into Lost and followed J.J. Abrams to Fringe. Of course, Lost was quite a letdown as far as:
1. Not following throught with a lot of the mysteries. I hate when people say “they didn’t answer questions”. In reality, they just didn’t focus on all the little things as much as the fans did. Which is okay, except the showrunners acted like they did EVERYTHING on purpose. What a letdown.
2. There was a running theme of Faith vs. Science that was flushed down the toilet in the final season. Seriously, Jacob and the Man in Black have no scientific properties to them at all. They are basically completely faith based. Ridiculous
Anyway, I will follow the new show no matter what I say here (I did with Revolution, but I am a bit of a prepper so that part interests me quite a bit too) BUT I will not be VERY EXCITED about it if this finale sucks.
But, I can’t think that way. I need to stay positive. They have had GREAT finales on this show (S4 is the only one I didn’t love and I give them a pass because they didn’t know if it was Season ending or Series ending) and I have HIGH HOPES.
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I was really disappointed in most of Lost final season. The whole flash sideways and none of that happening was such a waste of time to me.
I have some problems with Fringe final season but nothing like the frustration I felt watching Lost.
A while ago I had tweeted Wyman with how disappointed the S4 finale was and he tweeted back “I hear you.” So hopefully he knows it wasn’t their strongest finale and he can give Fringe a proper ending.
I’ll be so upset if Fringe blows their ending because if it does most people will remember the show as having 2 or 3 great seasons then going downhill.
It’s so important for the show to wrap all this up strongly.
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I think Donald is otheroliva and Peter’s son from the other timeline
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The timeline was rewritten over the original timeline, so that is impossible. Henry never existed in this timeline. How could it be him? (You’d need to figure this problem out before the theory makes sense)
So far the rules in Fringe seem to be:
Special People, and/or People with the right tech can cross between universes.
Observers can cross universes as well as timelines. Or Timelines are rewritten around Observers, leaving them unaffected.
Peter has traversed timelines, but we only know that “love” allowed that He is an anomaly. (I still think there has to be a more scientific explanation, but I digress)
For Henry to be able to be Donald, this timeline would have to end, and be rewritten back into the original timeline. This presents the problem of this timeline actually existing.
Secondly: Henry wouldn’t have been 30 something in 2015/2016, thus it’s impossible for it to be Henry.
As I said Donald Has to be someone we know (otherwise why would they go through the trouble of teasing us about his identity?) who is 30 something in 2015/2016, and who has dark/brown hair and a medium to large build.
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I agree with your rules completely, Rick.
Except, September has proven to be able to pull people through time, as witnessed in the episode with Doc Brown (the keyboardist of Violet Sedan Chair or whatever it was called). So, the age thing is really a non-factor if September was helping Walter and Donald before whatever happened to September occured. He could have gone to any universe and any point in time and pulled him out and brought him to Walter. BTW, I DO NOT think that it is Henry either, but I think that if we are guessing who Donald is we shouldn’t limit ourselves to the age of the person or the universe they are from.
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Seems like the Donald revelation will make or break this season and how people view it. Risky move. Hopefully it works. I am guessing that it has to be someone we know with a major twist. I believe it to be September. Maybe September travelled forward in time and kidnapped his younger self (Michael) as part of the master plan. Little September was taken from the future and hidden in the past (Inner Child) so that he could help the fringe team in the future. The question is now why would September do this and how is Donald related? Well September was kind of rogue after the other observers locked him out of the universe so when he showed up to tell Walter ‘They are coming’ he probably had to assist under the radar by having Walter remove the tech from his brain so he could not be tracked. Once the tech was removed September began to transform (What happened to him was well…unexpected) and began to show human traits. Hair growth etc.. He assisted Walter under the name Donald until the observers found him and ultimately killed him. The twist is that the child observer is still alive and will continue helping the fringe team rid the world of the observers. The theory needs some work but I love this show because it makes you think so much. Even at work during the busiest time of the year.
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Excellent! I am on board with this.
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Omg your theory would be awesome!!!
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Thank God for this board and all you guys! I don’t know if I agree about Donald and September being one and the same, but I think about this show so damn much that I love listening to theories by others who “did their homework” as well. I agree that the Donald question is becoming HUGE and if it’s just the janitor at Harvard we will all silently riot in our heads and on this site!
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YES that is an awesome theory!!
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What, the janitor at Harvard? I know, I hate when they do that stuff. I will be livid if they have some guy we never knew before as Donald. As a matter of fact, they did that crap already to us once. They did it with Sam Weiss. They have him have all these Oracle like powers of deduction, who knows all about how to recover after a trip “Over There” and then it turns out he is basically Nic Cage’s character from National Treasure except he is all about the machine instead of the…um…national treasure. Then, for some reason Broyles thinks he should STAY HOME when they go to turn on the machine! WTF! Like he couldn’t possibly have helped out with all of his knowledge of the machine?
I guess I am just a little worried that Donald is going to be some guy we never knew. I am SURE they won’t do it, since they were already bragging about bringing back a lot of familiar faces (the bookstore guy, markum or whatever is a good example). But, they have let a MAJOR mystery like Sam Weiss kinda fizzle out before. Just sayin’.
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I don’t mind if it the Janitor at Harvard as long as the Janitor at Harvard is either September, Nick Lane, Lincoln, Canaan, Brandon, or the CIA guy Elliot Michaels.
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I’ll be disappointed if it isn’t September without tech. It’ll be hard to top that.
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The more I look at the stance of Donald, the more I am lead to believe that it is September.
Plus, September is always trying to set things right. It is just his nature, “due to a series of circumstances that never should have happened,” to quote September from The End Of All Things.
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To me Donald has to be William Bell (or a younger version of him). It only makes sense. He is obviously good friends with Walter and knows enough about the universes to make a pocket universe. He also knows Sam Weiss and we saw Sam with a prototype observer gun (which Bell created).
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I think it’s too easy for Donald to be September, I rather hope he’s someone who is directly linked to whoever created the Observers.
He would be someone who has betrayed them to join Salvation team aka Fringe Team. Perhaps Observers were meant to be just tech, like the Shapshifters, but they evolved once they had tons of information about past, future and present, so after the invasion, Donald had to change sides only for the sake of human’s survivor, so he allied with Walter and September.
I think Observers, included Michael, were created by MD and/or Olivia’s uncle, since he was the first one linked to the GGGR in the episode Pilot (kayak from her shared conscious with John), and many times after that. Her uncle’s name has never been reveled, but it relates to ZENO and INTREPUS, which was also shown in the new time-line “Making Angels” when September’s device was stolen.
This is from FB’s “Mysteries of Fringe: Green-Green-Green-Red” BTW, check out the choice of words from Roco…pretty awesome after all of what we’ve seen so far right?
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The green-green-green-red pattern appeared by way of a dream on the Kayak belonging to Olivia’s uncle. This is an important link as we can reasonably assume that the green and red pattern has ties to Olivia’s family.
Aside: Two other pieces of Fringe mythology also appear on the Kayak – the word ZENO and the Aleph symbol. The word ZENO may refer to the Greek philosopher Zeno of Elea and his set of paradoxes (perhaps as an allusion to the idea that motion, or time, in the world of the show, is an illusion). The Aleph was later seen being worn with pride by Intrepus leader, David Esterbrook – connecting him to the mythology and Olivia’s uncle.
Another shocking reveled would be someone associated with Robert Bishof’s club of scientist. Ever since that weird line John Mosley said to Peter over the graveyard in “The Arrival”: “Shame you never met him. (about Robert Bishop)”. Donald could be someone of Bishop’s 50′s team who is using the formula from “The Bishop Revival”, or maybe time-traveling.
I the boy is September I would be very disappointed, because I want to see the September we all know exactly as he was or not see him at all.
The boy is supposed to be the origin of all knowledge (from the apple glyph door in pocket universe). Maybe he is an experiment from MD who’s characteristic is that his brain contains all the beacons’ data from different times and time-lines and now he’s the key to obtain the perfect balance for humans to survive or something like that.
My list of Donalds would be:
Olivia’s uncle
Robert Bishop’s Scientist from the 50′s
Young Bell
Brennan from “Jacksonville”
Frank
LOL the last one!
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oh sexy Frank yum yum yummy
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Maybe Michael is Donald.
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I don’t think Michael is Donald because the old guy on the porch described Donald as older when he came. Although, if Michael is September and the older version of September brought himself as a child to stay there, then I guess Michael could be Donald.
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