Fringe Affair: Peter and Altlivia and the Edge of Fornication


Much has been said and speculated about the moment that left jaws hanging and fingers wagging all across the Fringeverse. But we’d be amiss to not at least consider that maybe Peter and Altlivia wont actually go through with their deed.

Imagine the possibilities: Perhaps Altlivia’s conscience gets the better of her? Maybe Peter passes out at the sight of all that woman? Or perhaps Walter interrupts them with a midnight request for animal biscuits, or something equally delicious?

Can our frisky pair make it out of Olivia’s bed with their reputations intact? Was it no-more than a juicy cliffhanger?

So before we sling Peter into the molebaby pit, and before Altlivia is burned at the stake, let’s at least ask ourselves the question, just so we can say that we did it: Have they really gone through with their 5 minutes of madness, or will it turn out that a coincidental happening poured cold water on their physical activity?

Personally, I think the scene was written and filmed to look like a done deal (other than a squeaky bed, this is about as close as Fringe can get to spelling it out), but where there’s wiggle room, there’s hope! ;)

Feel free to share your opinion in the poll below, and we’ll find out how right or wrong you were when we revisit ‘Over Here’ in a few weeks time.

Did Peter and Altlivia Do the Deed?

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  1. T says

    The deed was done…its tv not pOrn so they can’t show it.

    What I find interesting is the (assumed) approaching irony when Ourlivia finds out. At the end of S2 Ourlivia made a comment to Altlivia that went something like “you have to trust me…I’m you.” Something tells me this “you and I are the same person” mentality will no longer be at the forefront of Ourlivia’s mind after she finds out about Peter and Altlivia. Irony! Great writing!

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      • T says

        I’m not saying she meant it strictly literally (nor do I think it has to be taken strictly literally to see the irony). I’m saying it’s interesting to think about where the line of distinction would be drawn between a character and their altself. In Ourlivia’s case she was trying to get information from Altlivia at the time but I think her comment was still telling of her drawing a close connection between herself and her altself.

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  2. HWG says

    No question about it, the deed was done. And I love how the scene cuts right when Altlivia straddles him on the bed. Very effective. ;)

    (I can’t be the only one that laughed at the sight of her white underthings. She’s doing such a terrible job at being Olivia lol.)

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  3. Ario says

    Oh they so did it. However, I love the idea of Peter passing out because he couldn’t handle all that woman. Amazing!

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    • LMH says

      LOL. I’m still waiting for Liv to set something aflame. Peter and Altivia beware! Though I doubt in the extreme that she’d actually set anyone on fire if she could help it (except an equally obnoxious alt version of Sanford Harris), if she tries to “protect herself” something might go the way of the missing Brenner. I think super Livy powers of that magnitude would be kept for later when the multiverse s*** really hits the fan if we in fact ever see them. Lincoln should also watch himself around her. I’d hate to see that boy get all crispy again.

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  4. Pam says

    I am afraid they did do it. But, I am not that indignant about Peter’s blunder. We have to consider his circumstances too – he is obviously very much in love with this woman (let us not forget that, despite the realization that Walternate is a villain it was Olivia’s expression of her love for Peter that actually made him come back; he essentially came back for her/ because of her). And, he is still dealing with the information about his origins and also the fact that his biological father probably cares less about him than his adoptive father does. So, it is less surprising that he would not investigate those nagging claims about Liv that he has in mind – and he is in a new and different relationship with Olivia – so, he is actually getting to know her as a girlfriend only now and he could very well attribute at least some of those differences to a difference in perspective.

    Don’t get me wrong here – I am totally mad about the situation, but, all I am saying is, Peter is a slow on the intake and that is how he is! Now, I am really eager to see who will realize first!

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  5. Hatch says

    “Maybe Peter passes out at the sight of all that woman?”

    Ha! There are many of us who certainly would…

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  6. MNTwinsFanID says

    I, for one, will believe it only when I see the after (i.e. Bolivia rolling over Poor Frank to answer the call from Broylanate) Obviously Fringe isn’t on HBO, Showtime, or Skinemax, so we are never going to get that sort of confirmation, but I’ll relent on my belief that something is going to interrupt them if I see Olivia coming into the room with a cup of coffee wearing Peter’s shirt (or something to that effect). What I don’t get, and yet completely get, is the anger/outrage over the whole issue. I get it-it means that the writers are doing a great job keeping us invested in characters who aren’t even on screen (Olivia). But I don’t get it, either. It’s not like Olivia’s our little sister who needs us to protect her. Quite the opposite, in fact-I’d want Olivia to have my back in a street fight. And we all KNEW this was coming (or we were in denial). More than a few thought it would happen in 3.02′s couch scene. It’s a necessary plot point, intended to get people talking, and add yet another layer of depth to the overall story. Check, check, and check. As far as Peter is concerned; from what we’ve been shown of the past three years, Broyles and Nina have gotten more action than he has (unless he had something with Rachel last year-remember those two episodes). It’s like Chris Rock says, ” Women, it’s easy for y’all to turn down sex-you’ve been offered sex every day since you were sixteen. Any time a man does something nice for you, it comes with an offer for sex. When a man gets offered sex, he’s thinking, ‘Damn, it must be my lucky day!’”

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    • LMH says

      So true. That’s one reason why this doesn’t bother me that much, what’s Peter going to do really? The not noticing that her acting like a completely different person without (presumably) connecting the dots that it’s because she is a completely different person is the bad part, not the sleeping together. That is tragic just because of the ramifications it has for the future relationship b/w Peter and Olivia and Peter’s own mental state. He’s been attracted to her for 2 yrs, what do you think is going to happen once the momentum gets going?

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      • SF says

        Excellent points, LMH!! Other than you saying it doesn’t matter much (because it matters to me! lol), I agree with everything else you say.

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  7. Andrea says

    If they didn’t, one possibility is Rachel and Ella arrive at the apartment without notice. Rachel has Olivia’s apartment key! It’s gonna be fun, because this girls aren’t in the 3rd season yet and that moment would be good for this.

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    • LMH says

      Rach: “Oh Liv, now I know why you haven’t called me. You’ve been too busy getting your hair done and having sex with Peter. My how my sister has changed COMPLETELY.” Ella says little Peter style: “Your not my aunt Liv, are you?”

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      • SF says

        LMH: LOL!!!!!! That’s my guess for who figures it out, since it isn’t PETER (some boyfriend, can’t figure out when his girl has been SWITCHED) :-D

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  8. LizW65 says

    I voted for option #3, though I question whether both parties actually wanted it (and if the genders were reversed we’d be hearing a lot more cries of “rape!”, IMO.

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    • T says

      I think that is why the writers sent Frank away so quickly. However I don’t think it’s just gender based (although that is definitely part of it). I also think it has to do with the drugs. Ourlivia being a woman + alternate mental state b/c of drugs = Frank has to go.

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    • runthegamut says

      The drama of the scene says that. They wouldn’t have gone to so much trouble to make a big deal if it were an established fact of their relationship. In addition, the conversation in the restaurant at the beginning of the episode set the stage. Altliv becomes very uncomfortable by Peter’s comment that the couple hadn’t slept together yet.

      I still hold out hope that Sam walks in on them. We didn’t see them close the front door afterall.

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  9. Xindilini says

    Something must happen or why bother with the tease at all. We may have the hiatus. But the next alt episode is in the can so to speak. They’ve moved forward with their relationship!

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  10. fringefan2009 says

    I don’t know guys, the writers have done pretty well in the element of surprise this season in my opinion.

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  11. runpaceyrun says

    You said it perfectly….”where theres wiggle room there’s hope”
    Personally i dont think Altlivia was going to go that far until Newtons final little speech. My god he is awesome at messing with peoples heads! Genius! He pushed her to where she wasnt going to go…and to prove him wrong, she went there. Score one point for Newton. Even in death he’s one up on Altliv.
    As for the “wiggle room”…god i hope there was an interruption….because i adore Peter and i am just so disappointed in him for not realising that this is not Olivia. Although as i type this it has just occurred to me……….would Olivia be seeing Peter if he wasnt getting close to Altlivia? Is this the reason why he keeps popping up at inopportune moments? Peter is getting close to Altlivia (thinking its Olivia) and because she is in his thoughts ..he is somehow communicating with Olivia on the Other Side. Geez i hope that made sense?Once again i reiterate in absolute hope that this was just a cliffhanger and that it didnt go any further than this. I hope Walter calls Peter to let him know that he actaully found bacon flavoured pudding!

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  12. LizW65 says

    “…would Olivia be seeing Peter if he wasnt getting close to Altlivia? Is this the reason why he keeps popping up at inopportune moments? Peter is getting close to Altlivia (thinking its Olivia) and because she is in his thoughts ..he is somehow communicating with Olivia on the Other Side?”

    Very interesting idea! Also, I can’t help but notice how much discussion this particular plot point has generated! Even though the vast majority of response has been negative, the fact that it’s stirred so much emotion in the viewers must mean that it’s working on some level. The writers HAD to know the audience didn’t want to see this happen, so they deliberately made it an uncomfortable scene (cut back and forth with a character’s suicide) to underscore that it was not meant to be a positive and happily cathartic experience for the viewer.

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    • BklynBetty says

      “The writers HAD to know the audience didn’t want to see this happen, so they deliberately made it an uncomfortable scene (cut back and forth with a character’s suicide) to underscore that it was not meant to be a positive and happily cathartic experience for the viewer.”

      Also – and i apologize if this is repeating what anyone else has said – it juxtaposes at least 2 characters making ‘the ultimate sacrifice’. Whatever we think, this is worse for AltLiv than shooting an unarmed man in the back. Peter appears to be sacrificing something also – whether he knows it or not.

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  13. Amy says

    I think they did it but I also think that the writers won’t show us in the next episode 3×06 if they in fact had sex. They would want us to assume they did make out

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  14. John says

    They did it, I’m afraid. If you believe otherwise, you’re either a fool or a shipper who can’t face the truth, or both. If I’m wrong, then shoot me.

    “Have they really gone through with their 5 minutes of madness”, 5 minutes Roco? 5 minutes! You’re giving these two too much credit, 5 minutes is a marathon in this day and age.

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  15. Grace says

    Roco,
    I’m new to your wonderful site. I obviously posted my comments to your Review well after that discussion was over. My comments actually addressed the question you have posed here. I won’t repeat it all here. (It’s comment #127).
    I will say that I’m convinced that this is a juicey set up by the writters. And I’ll reiterate that in order to go through with it Peter would have to be able to override the sickening feeling of his latest realization. Specifically, the fact that he has just had enough time alone to reconsider the events of the day. As such Peter MUST, at the very least, SUSPECT a possible link between AltL’s abrupt and totally UNcharacteristic move for a dinner break at the height of the investigation and the Shapeshifter disc removal incident. And necessarily, by extention, a conspiratorial link to Newton. It’s inconceivable to me to believe otherwise.
    I also don’t believe there is any chance AltL will be the one to put on the brakes because she is acting out of desperation. As a result, she can’t even hear her own conscience right now. NEWTON’S TAUNTS ARE DROWNING OUT HER CONSCIENCE.
    Finally, I’ll go out on a limb here and say that Peter is the one responsible for our Olivia’s “hallucinations”; it’s NOT her subconscience. As I said in response to your Review, I’m convinced Peter is aware of the switch and has a strategy. And I believe that he started calling Olivia back as soon as he became aware of the switch. That falls within the episode timeline. Olivia’s hallucinations began in Ep 3:3 and not before.

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    • LizW65 says

      “Finally, I’ll go out on a limb here and say that Peter is the one responsible for our Olivia’s “hallucinations”; it’s NOT her subconscience.”

      I hadn’t considered this idea, but I really like it. It ties in nicely with earlier hints that Olivia somehow needs Peter to activate her powers.

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  16. Alex says

    I would consider it a huge cop-out on the writers’ part if they psyched us all up like this only to reveal that nothing actually happened.

    Face it guys, the deed is done. All you shippers are in denial.

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    • Pac says

      I am a shipper, and I am not in denial: of course they did it. I do not like the fact that they are so close to turn this into a soap-opera, even if it’s the first time the love triangle is with the same woman (as she is from a different reality). It still feels like the classic guy torn between two twin sisters. I hope writers are not that lame and that is what I dislike of Peter/Altlivia. Not the deed per se.

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      • number six says

        The thing is that it’s not even a love triangle, because Peter is not in love with 2 women. He thinks he’s in a relationship with his Olivia. Altlivia is not in love with him, either.

        I would find it realistic if Peter had doubts about his feelings, once he knows the truth, but at this point, I don’t consider this a love triangle.

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        • Wut says

          Well I feel an odd love triangle for the rest of the season. (Odd, since both ladies are “Olivia Dunham”) Not at this point, I agree with you. But the seed has been planted.

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    • loveit says

      I just want to point out that I am not a shipper. We are all analyzing that last scene, but should do so in the context of what has been happening beyond just that (10 second?) scene. And I REALLY believe that they have very brilliantly set up that Peter does know. I just think Grace was more eloquent and thorough in explaining what I already thought, and others too. The writers’ IMO got us “all psyched up” in order to SPECULATE whether they did or did not, whether Peter knows or does not. My husband thinks Peter does know and they did not go through with it, and he is definitely NOT a shipper. I think the writing was brilliant and if it turns out, either way, it makes sense and wouldn’t be a cop-out at all.

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      • BklynBetty says

        “I think the writing was brilliant and if it turns out, either way, it makes sense and wouldn’t be a cop-out at all.”

        I have to agree here. I mean, either way it goes- We are ALL TALKING ABOUT IT – and over a 3 week break! Mission Accomplished!

        As far as it being a cop-out. One could make the argument if it Does happen that the writers “copped-out” on Peter’s characters’ intelligence. I know there have been arguments that Peter does like to run from the truth, and maybe so – but, when Altlivia interrupts their investigation for a dinner-break – that just insults the intelligence…

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        • Catherine says

          “I mean, either way it goes- We are ALL TALKING ABOUT IT- and over a 3 week break! Mission Accomplished!”

          You better believe “Mission Accomplished!” Isn’t this the second week of fan angst now? LOL. They (the writers) are playing “Walternate” in California. We fans are THIER lab. :) Just remember guys, Astrid has forbidden any more exploding fruit. She’s tried of cleaning up the lab. And I’ll add heads to that list. Much too messy.

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        • number six says

          Except that Altlivia didn’t interrupt anything. Walter admitted he was stuck and in such situations Walter usually does something different to clear his mind (counting cars, obsess over food, etc…), then he goes back to work with new ideas. Olivia has rarely interrupted his apparent meandering, because in the end it gives results. The strange thing was that she suggested having something to eat. Since when does Olivia do something as human as eating?

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          • BklynBetty says

            She may not have interrupted anything – but Grace is right in that it is at Least Suspicious that she suggests dinner, hustles everyone out of the lab and within 5 – 10 minutes Ray shows up.
            Especially as you point out – we already know that Liv only lives on whiskey, not-yellow M&M’s and suggestions of pancakes. :P

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