FRINGE: 5.05 An Origin Story

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The Fringe team responds to recent devastating events, and a key member makes a pivotal and shocking move.

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  1. Andreia says

    For the first time I’m going to be able to watch live(through USTVnow) Fringe all the way till the end…

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    • Rick Terry says

      Yes. Somewhat illogical. But what if when Walter said that they poisoned the air and water he meant for normal humans? What if they still exist in this possible future, and are trying to adjust things to their liking earlier? Maybe they are trying to extinguish normal humans earlier so as to force their own evolution into an even more powerful species than what they currently are in their future.

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      • shidey17 says

        Ah, that’s an interesting thought. Also, what did they do with the laser thing on the back of the Observer’s neck?

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        • Rick Terry says

          I’m not sure but I think he was pointing out that all Observers are equipped with something there that enables them to utilize their tech, which gives them their abilities.

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          • shidey17 says

            lol yes. Aside from my Neo comment below, that little device reminded me of the tracker from the Matrix. Has Wyman been watching too much of the Matrix lately? We have an oracle coming soon too.

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            • Rick Terry says

              I wonder if the whole Matrix thing is a clue that perhaps this timeline we’ve been watching now for a season and a half isn’t corporeal. Maybe Peter is still jacked into that dang machine, still being shown possible futures to avoid.

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              • shidey17 says

                Makes sense. The most, um, holistic and maybe convincing way to get out of this reset and Etta death issue I think.

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                • Rick Terry says

                  I think you’re right. But I’d rather it be this and then use my imagination to realize that P and O will still go on to live happily ever after, rather than have Wyman give us a sappyily ever after type LOST ending.

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                    • ML says

                      I really enjoyed Lost for 5 seasons but comparing finale seasons, I’d say so far Fringes last season is doing MUCH better.
                      Fingers crossed that Wyman can wrap this up in an epic way.
                      I do think our characters will get a happy ending. Everything Wyman has said points to this. Though I do think we may lose one and I would guess Walter.

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              • shidey17 says

                Yep. And the way the Observers teleport in and out like the agents. And in the promo for next week, the shot of Olivia falling down/backward with the gun is almost exactly the same shot of Trinity falling backward while shooting after hacking into the system to cut the power.

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    • Anne says

      Why not from a parallel universe? Even if they closed the bridge doesn’t the parallel universe doesn’t exist anymore. It existed before the bridge, why not after. I can’t believe they completely droped this huge part of the Fringe mythology! I’m still waiting for the redverse to reappear in some way…

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  2. shidey17 says

    John Noble is so amazing…the way his hands were shaking when Walter handed Olivia the tape.

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    • Rick Terry says

      He is so underrated, as is Anna T. Josh ain’t too bad himself. But John and Anna are in a different league.

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        • _lost_stef_ says

          John Noble was magnificent in that scene between Walter and Olivia… So emotional! Both are so great and underrated incl JJ aka Baby Face

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          • Amanda says

            I don’t think JJ are underrated, I think sometimes his performance has to do a lot with the director work. He needs to be pushed to get to his best, and when that happens, its awesome.

            It just a theory, but I think that’s really it, there are the right buttons to press.

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  3. shidey17 says

    Well I guess Peter is Neo now, according to that promo. Not sure how I feel about this development.

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    • ~Blu~Phnix~ says

      I’m getting more sure that Olivia is going to Activate again. This time without the aide of more Cortexiphan. Since it only serves to enhance what the brain in already capable of. Unlimited possibilities.

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  4. Rick Terry says

    Holy $h!T! That was a hell of an episode!

    Great performances from Anna, and John as usual, Josh is definitely believable now as a badass, thanks to the thingy in his neck now. I wonder What the Fringe is going on in the future of this future. Observers are “Ant Bullies”, our space is but the bottom of their shoe. I need to rewatch that one like now!

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    • shidey17 says

      lol I liked that scene. Have you read the Dark Tower? It reminded me of the conversation between Walter and Roland at the end of the first book. Good stuff.

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      • Rick Terry says

        I actually listened to the books on CD as I drove a truck for a company a few years back. I don’t remember a lot of the dialog, but I know the signposts and landmarks of the story.

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    • tw says

      Thought on how they “fixed” the blackhole thing so quickly.

      * In S1-S3, the entire “closed loop paradox” Fringe-verse we witnessed involved a wormhole that went back to the time of the dinosaurs, all the way forward to a WORMHOLE THAT OPENED IN CENTRAL PARK, in 2026, through which we see PETER ENTER WITH THE MACHINE.

      It is that universe, the 2026 future that “never existed”, that was stuck on repeat. The First People ORIGINS, Peter and Walter trying to save Olivia, etc. When Peter finally made a different choice within the Machine, he re-emerged from it, and then vanished, being erased from the timeline … only to reappear, etc and so forth.

      I always wondered, “What was the origin of that wormhole in the first place ? And why Central Park, New York ?” They made it clear to tell us it was in Central Park. S1-S4, never told us clearly what the origin of the wormhole was, only that the Machine being tossed into it in 2026, and going back in time to the dinosaurs, kept it “on loop”.

      Perhaps we are seeing the origins of that wormhole, and the Observers have some kind of a failsafe mechanism on their end, knowing already that it was going to happen and to divert the “black hole” into that time loop. “You do not know, what you do not know.” could mean, “You do not know that you are the very cause of your own previous destruction. Dig two graves ? How about destroy the previous universes you existed in …”

      Just a loosely tied together thought …

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      • Rick Terry says

        Something I noticed. regarding all those posters of Etta that said resist. Were those up before Olivia noticed them, or did they appear out of nowhere? I mean as soon as they collapsed the wormhole, and the new one opened up those posters seemed to just exist where they weren’t at previously. Did some time-wimey stuff just happen? Did we witness the timeline change again on a small scale? This just feels Fringey.

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        • SissySiri says

          Rick, I thought that too. Like I said in an earlier post, maybe they will eventually go back in time and Etta will be alive, or at the very least it will be a better existence that what they are experiencing now.

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          • tw says

            @ Drenami — thank you so much :-)

            Yeah I’d have to rewatch, but I thought the “Etta Resist” posters showed up via a time-rewrite fashion as well.

            One more thought on the “wormhole”, and origins thing …

            We assume, that what got sucked into the “black hole” that Peter created in this episode, were parts to further help build the carbon monoxide machine. Right ?

            What if they were actually parts to build a Vacuum Device ;-)

            Now, that Vacuum Device … the futuristic looking one (Blueverse ?), not the ancient looking one (Redverse ?) … just got planted into the S1-S3 universes :-). And remember, those ancient “First People” manuscripts ? They had the weird writing on them, right ? Looked like Observer writing ?

            Well now, Astrid has translated Observer script, AND she has the MANIFEST for what was in that shipment ! So we might have witnessed the origins, of not only the wormhole from S1-S3, but the origin of the *original* vacuum machine, and the reason some of the First People manuscripts had Observer writing on them …

            Just some thoughts …

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        • MISSNETT says

          Also, just before Olivia noticed the posters, Peter seemed to have disappeared. I agree that we just witnessed a time jump or something!

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          • _lost_stef_ says

            Regarding the posters, it seems that from the beginning of the episode a lot of emphasis was put into them through Olivia’s view. On numerous occasions she was looking at ‘the future in order’ posters then after that we see the Etta poster appear.

            So could there have been a time jump of some sort?

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    • MidgeMarly says

      Just before Peter was going to start the black hole implosion, the Observer came out of nowhere to take them on. What I wanted to mention was that the Observer was about to ‘crush’ Peter like an ant and they showed the closeup of the bottom of his shoe. Quite a tie-in!

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      • tw says

        Yeah and further think about this: we have always assumed that the breakdown of the universes and the “blight” from S1-S3, was the result of Walter crossing over into the other universe. Then, we realized we could trace it back to September’s mistake, causing the much of the issue. Then, after it was all said and done, we see Peter using the Vacuum Machine to begin to “heal” the destruction, and blight.

        But interestingly enough, the observer in this episode, said that our “darkened skies” were mislabeled by us. They were actually the bottom of their shoe crushing us, etc. What if the cause of the blight, and the darkened skies, and all of that … was actually directly linked to the Observers ? Their “carbon footprint” amongst other things ? This theory might be a bit far fetched lol …

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  5. megan says

    That scene with Olivia watching the tape bout killed me. As did what Walter told her, it needed to be said.

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    • SissySiri says

      This was a very sad episode, but it had to be after that terrible loss. It was acted and written well. It was not overdone, it was perfect.

      I’m looking forward to Neo, I mean Peter kicking some Observer butt!

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  6. David F says

    I haven’t given many Fringe episodes a 10 but this one definitely deserves one. I was giving my TV a standing ovation. Well done.

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    • Rick Terry says

      Yep I gave this one 10 as well. Last time I gave a 10 was The End of All Things. The only other 10 I can remember giving was for “Peter” I’m sure I gave a few more 10′s out, but those only come out for the heavy myth reveals. I feel this episode revealed a good bit about our Bald buddies, but I need to re-watch because I’m sure I’ve missed something.

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      • JaniceG says

        Agree. This was a 9 or 10. I rarely give out 10, but this was really good. Can’t believe there are not like 10 seasons of this show. Fascinating to say the very least. Great acting, producing, creative, writing…the whole thing. Wow.

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  7. T says

    Wow! Definitely best ep of season so far. In my opinion after one viewing…one of the best eps of series.

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  8. Drenami says

    Who put up the Resist posters with Etta’s face? How did Anil know about her death? Did we see Olivia meet him? If so I don’t remember that. Silly questions aside, My Tummy is STILL in Knots!!!!!!

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      • Drenami says

        Thanks. I haven’t rewatched any of season 5 yet. I remember him with Etta when they had a drink in memory of that 1 freedom fighter and I remember her talking/texting him. I just couldn’t place him with the rest of the gang.

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    • Rick Terry says

      I think those posters appeared out of nowhere. I think some Dr Who Timey-wimey stuff happened, and we just saw a small change in the timeline.

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      • JaniceG says

        Something strange about the posters. They just appear and you can see Olivia knows something is up with them. Something to do with 506.

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        • Fringe Fan says

          Such an amazing episode! Perfect in every way- it actually surpasses episode 5.04. Even the toughest critics are saying that it’s such a good episode. Brilliant acting by Anna Torv and Joshua Jackson.

          Regarding the posters, I remember seeing Olivia walk down the alleyway after Peter and then she turns around and all of the sudden, the posters are EVERYWHERE! It’s so noticeable that it can’t possibly be an editing error. It reminded me of how, as a child, she made white tulips grow in a field where they shouldn’t have otherwise grown. I think Olivia made those posters appear. She’s very emotional right now and so I think her cortexiphan is starting to kick in.

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      • DeepRunner says

        Agreed, Rick. They did appear out of nowhere, although it was sort of like the time jumps in ATWLB, although in reverse, jumping forward instead of backward. Maybe?

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          • Surun Tunne says

            you cannot see them but only because you also can’t see the wall at first…when olivia turns around, the camera moves a little to the left and we can see them…but they didn’t just appear out of nowhere

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  9. Drenami says

    Does anyone else think there might be signifigance to the bluebell soap box in Ettas drawer? (I think that is what it said…..)

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  10. SissySiri says

    I will have to re-watch to see the soap. Everything seems to mean something in Fringe, time will tell.

    I am sure we have not seen the end of white tulips.

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  11. DeepRunner says

    UN. BE. FREAKIN’ WOW. LIEVABLE.

    And incredibly dark. Sucking the emotional life out of a Fringe fan like an Observer sucking the oxygen out of the air.

    Where to begin on this one?

    * Olive saving Peter’s life with “Yeah, it’s that kind of gun.” Excellent callback to Brave New World Part II. Our Olivia in mourning. Staring at the picture of young Etta. Staring at the poster of the grown-up Etta Martyr. Watching the videotape. Talking with Walter. Talking with Peter. Seeing the road that they are traveling. Calling Peter to tell him to come home and that she loved him. O was definitely on a major roller coaster ride emotionally in this one. Anna Torv deserves a Standing O for her role as The Grieving O.

    * Walter was in the background in this eppy but had some sage advice for Olivia and Peter. Walter picked-up on Olive being afraid of losing Peter. What’s the bet that he has the same fear? He commiserated with Olivia on loss of a child. Not sure which Walter he was channeling with that callback, Blue Verse or AmberVerse. John Noble does do wise father and wise father-in-law very well.

    * Astrid/Abner trying to decode the Observer book. “I need more computing power” was a direct callback to Peter’s line in Novation. All I ask of JH Wyman is to give Abner more of a part in the show. She was a background person in the foreground in the first IV seasons, don’t know why she can’t have more screentime. Only 8 eppys left. C’mon, just do it.

    * The Observer being a haughty (insert descriptive language here). Right up until the time he bled out. So now we know what makes them who they are. Which leads me to…

    * Peter. Wow. Joshua Jackson played Vengeful Peter completely. Sinister and spiteful and hateful and bitter and angry and desperate. His torture of the Observer was much harsher than what he did to the ShapeShifters in season III. I remember season Uno when he roughed-up big Eddie’s (son?). Telling the Observer that he would be 10 times better than him if he had the “tech in the neck,” to coin a phrase. Telling the Observer that the pain he felt as Peter was cutting him open was like the pain a father feels when he loses his child. Seeing that optic rod pop itself into the back of Peter’s neck reminded me of the slugs in The Wrath of Khan that popped themselves into the ears of their victims. Taking the call from Olivia while he was….mmm…self-operating was a callback to 3.16 when he was working on Shapeshifter memory disks and Olivia called him.

    Overall, another 10 out of 10, but man this was incredibly dark and not a little draining.

    Eight to go.

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  12. ~Blu~Phnix~ says

    I had a thought. Is is possible, given the ending, that the title could be a reference to Peter being the origin of the Observers? This has been theorized before. Hmm…. it would be like the paradox of how Skynet came to be in the Terminator series. Tech sent back to the past from the future, that then creates said future. Well, I guess the B.B.M was kinda like that. Hhmmmm I don’t know that I like that idea of Peter being so but again hhmm… which would mean now, they’d have to undo Peter’s actions to stop the Observers. .

    Which would also mean that, by proxy, Peter would be repsonible for the very thing he’s now trying so hard to stop.

    Solid episode.

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  13. ML says

    That was sad but oh so beautiful. Just when Olivia doesn’t want to lose Peter again, he does what he does. So sad. He didn’t listen to Walter. He’s making the same mistakes Walter did. Be a better man, Peter!

    Olivia watching the video tape. Heartbreaking.

    Peter taking the tech out of the Observers neck. Riveting. The ending totally blew my mind. Olivia and Peter’s I love you’s to Peter doing what he did. Mindblown.

    GREAT ep and we finally got some cool science.

    So far 502 and this one have been 2 of my favorite eps of the entire series

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  14. Amanda says

    For me, best of the season!

    Josh in the greatest performance ever, Anna in perfect emotion depth, John excellent in his tiny gestures…. Astrid solving puzzles, Walter been Walter (Abner! lol) action, misteries, emotions… Peter and Olivia maybe a couple again… What an episode! And that twist in end!

    This is the Fringe I wating to see in the final season, finally!

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  15. number six says

    I loved that Observer. I loved how he played Peter and how he explained how he did it. Cold and precise, very much like the Agents in The Matrix. They really are going overboard with homages to that movie, aren’t they?

    “Yeah, it’s that kind of gun” doesn’t pack the same punch as “Dodge this!” You are no Trinity, Dunham!

    Walter creeps me out sometimes. First he wants to keep Etta’s perfume and then he eavesdrops on Peter and Olivia… What a creep!

    I’m afraid Olivia’s grieving rings a bit hollow to me. I wish she had been warmer to Etta, but she didn’t seem to like her own daughter that much and her “I love you so much” last week sounded like she was giving her instructions, instead of showing real feeling. Still, she cried, which is a first since the pilot, not bad. However she started tearing up, when she touched her own face on the screen and I laughed. Oh boy! She loves herself so much!

    Peter’s choice at the end is very interesting, but I don’t think Walter and Olivia will approve. I know it cannot end well, but at least he made this season a hundred times more interesting. An Origin Story, indeed! Oh, Peter!

    Special kudos to Astrid and her decrypting skills. What would they do without her? She’s my hero.

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    • Alaina says

      What are you talking about? Olivia has cried multiple times throughout the series! Especially in S3. When she was watching the tape I thought it was Peter’s face that she touched…

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      • number six says

        I mean actual tears. She has “cried” multiple times, but it’s been always dry crying, except for the pilot and now this episode. I am satisfied ;)

        No, she touched hers, but that’s just a funny detail.

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    • Sam says

      She immediately went for the screen when Peter kissed her. Then called him up and told him she loves him. She misses her daughter and also the relationship she used to have with her husband. That was not her touching her own face because she loves herself so much :P

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    • Red Ballon says

      wow!, translation (no offense of course): “hate Anna, hate Olivia, hate Walter, God Petah saved Fringe”. Now about Anna’s tears, since you’ve mentioned this a lot lately, what is this? like a competition of gallons of real/believable tears?, ok then, Meryl Streep wins, then John, Anna, Orla (though if she was a regular she would be 2nd), Jasika, Georgina, Seth, Lance, some guest stars, etc… there now, no need for menthol like the rest of the cast…ups!, that only leaves Gene and Josh (JK Josh fans :p). That line “Yeah, it’s that kind of gun” was even better because of her previous experience with observers (I’m thinking if she was given the line “Dodge this” you would’ve made fun of her anyway). Finally what you’re saying about Olivia not liking her own daughter that much … well, that’s just delusional because I, like many others have stated, felt painfully touched by her grief today and by her love for Etta from the moment she saw her in 5.01. But hey!, I guess we all are in our own Matrix right?…to each their own, but at least I can write what I think too. Resist/See you later alligator!

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      • number six says

        Shhhhh, calm down! You’re reading too much emotion, where there is none on my part. If Petah saved Fringe, something I didn’t say and don’t believe, it’s because he made an interesting choice that raises the stakes. Perhaps that will come to nothing, but for now I’m interested. :)

        The comment about Olivia’s tears was an observation on something someone else and myself noted on a previous episode, I don’t know why you are giving it so much importance. You have the right to feel as touched and disagree with me as much as you want. The fact is that I didn’t see that much love from Olivia to Etta. Maybe she was too careful and the steps she took were too small for me to feel her pain now, but the truth is that Etta was the one pushing for a relationship, while Olivia did little more than accept her admiration. That doesn’t mean I thought her pain was completely fake, I rationalized her grief as delayed reaction to the death she thought happened 20 years ago.

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        • Red Ballon says

          ok then, thanks for the reply, I also noticed that distance between Olivia and also Peter towards Etta but I feel that’s exactly what makes it harder, it saddens even more their situation. Like the saying “you never know what you’ve lost until it’s gone” … so yes, for me it’s the opposite, I feel more for them because that’s how things happen in real life, one always take things for granted until you see them latter in slow motion when in pain. No worries about the tears, it’s just that I’ve read those kind of comments on more than 2 or 3 episodes and as you said, I don’t think is that big of a deal.

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        • shidey17 says

          What’s been really tough for me to swallow is what seems to me like a level of competition between the two. I may just be me picking up on it, but it did take away from the family feeling just a little bit.

          Now, I did really like the last episode, and I really felt P and O’s grief…I’m talking 504 here, not 505. But between Etta and Olivia, I just got that there was some awkwardness or something…you know, they both want to be in control….who knows best? Etta knows this future more from experience…but does Olivia have the better intuition in any circumstance? There’s also the estranged P and O dynamic in competition with the father/daughter dynamic…..all very complicated relationships and made it really hard to follow.

          I buy Olivia’s grief, but it’s a complicated sort of grief. I’m not sure if it was meant to be written/acted that way, or if that’s just the way it turned out.

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  16. Alaina says

    Wow…just wow. What an amazing episode. Dark, gritty, sad. Josh Jackson was phenomenal in my opinion. I love how much emotion he puts forth through his eyes. His anger and pain was so believable, and I was on the edge of my seat during that last scene with my heart pounding/breaking. I cannot believe that Peter did that to himself and at the same time can totally believe it. Olivia’s grief was heartbreaking as well. I LOVE THIS SHOW! What will I do when it is over?!?! :-(

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    • _lost_stef_ says

      What will we all do…. Ahh I cry thinking about it what happens when it becomes a reality :’( :’(

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  17. Chiquitanikkicita says

    Did this episode remind anyone else of season 2 of Dollhouse? Peter and Olivia reminded me somewhat of Sierra and Victor. Sierra and Victor had a child together before Victor decided to upgrade himself full of tech during the war.

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  18. Real1 says

    “The boy is important .. he has to live ” September >>>> to destroy the observer ?? if Peter will destroy them .. why to help Walter in the 1st place ??

    I love this show

    9.7/10

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  19. _lost_stef_ says

    . This episode totally exceeded my expectations!!! What a fantastic continuation to episode 4!

    Peter you are now officially welcomed into the BAMF club!!!
    That was a hell of an ending!

    That scene between Walter and Olivia was a stand out and brought tears to my eyes. Beautiful acting by them both! I even loved the scene between Astrid & Olivia… When Astrid grabbed Olivia’s hand in comfort was a highlight.

    Was so emotional when Olivia was watching the home video so sad and then when she called Peter….

    Love love loved this episode 10/10

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  20. ML says

    I hope Olivias phone call in the last scene will save Peter from becoming as cold as the Observers!

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  21. ML says

    After I watched the promo for this week’s ep I somehow expected a desperate, devastated Olivia… but I should have known better! It’s just not Olivia to cry hysterically in the corner!
    However the fragility Anna Torv showed us was IMO perfect and really beautiful. As was the last scene, when we saw her actually crying!

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        • ML says

          Okay, your comment made me laugh :D … yes, she cried in the corner, but not hysterically IMO! ;) By the way I’m not a native, it’s hard for me to express my thoughts exactly in English, give me some credit here. ;)
          I didn’t mean that she never cried before!

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          • FringeAgentAmanda says

            I get what you mean too, it’s just not a usual thing to see her like that. And when she does cry with such emotion and desperation you get to really feel for her. If I remember correctly, she did mention to Peter how she doesn’t like vulnerability…

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  22. Sam says

    Walter was my favourite in this episode even if he didn’t have a whole lot to do. He’s keeping it together pretty well because he’s been where Peter and Olivia are right now. But he has learnt from his mistakes and now it’s up to him to ensure what happened with him and Elizabeth doesn’t happen with these two. For once Walter is the voice of reason. He cares about both Peter and Olivia so much.

    Any kind of Walter-Olivia interaction is just awesome. Always has been from the beginning. Olivia getting impatient and yelling at Walter, Walter being Walter and asking her inappropriate questions, expecting her to bring back food when she’s out working on a case, him being fairly casual about drugging her, etc. I love it all. But these heartfelt moments are so rare and so so beautiful. John and Anna are just fab together!

    Were my eyes deceiving me or did Astrid and Olivia actually acknowledge each other’s existence?! They talked for like the first time this season. Even touched! Lovely little scene.

    Peter has officially lost the plot. He is blinded by hatred and has gone too far.
    There’s just too many risks involved. He’s endangering his relationships with the only two people he has left, his life and maybe even the mission. He just stuck that chip into his head, who knows what could go wrong? What if it malfunctions? What if Windmark finds a way to control him through it? I don’t want to see him lose his humanity and become a Peter I don’t know. He needs to think about Walter and Olivia because it’s just the three of them now and they cannot afford to lose anyone else. Etta may have been hardcore but I doubt even she would approve of this. Please be a better man than your father, Peter.
    And is this the Observers’ secret? So anyone can just stick one into their head and become one? I surely hope there’s more to it than that.
    I am interested to see if Peter will be able to read minds. That would be pretty cool. Walter and Olivia better watch out!

    Olivia has to be reactivated somehow. Peter with Observer-ish abilities and Olivia with Cortexiphan powers would make an unstoppable duo and I totally want to see that. Baldies won’t stand a chance.

    John Noble, Anna Torv and Joshua Jackson all brought their A-game to this episode. I love this cast.

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    • FringeAgentAmanda says

      I wonder that too, is Peter going to be able to read minds?? That would be really interesting. And yeah, Olivia should be reactivated cuz two people with extraordinary powers against the Observers would be awesome to watch.

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  23. Red Ballon says

    I’ve only seen the episode one time and without subtitles, but at first glance I think this is one of the best of the entire series. Peter deserves an “A” for Android the sh*t out of me and Joshua one of his best, though I liked him more in Welcome to Westfield, but I think that’s because of the hood Peter character, lol.

    Olivia was just adorable with her pain, I just wanted to give her lots of ice-cream, chocolates, hugs, whatever to ease her thoughts. Anna gave every single expression a deep meaning and her voice just acts on its own! amazing how easily John and Anna can do that, without a doubt also one of her best performances also. It truly felt like the cast has become one, they seem to let the other play their role when it’s his/her spot, I’ve noticed that lately, that they seem to help each other out, it’s like they’re aware this is their last chance to get the cherry on top, and they’re worshiping every second of each character to let them glow when needed for the sake of the show. I loved experienced Walter, fragile and BAMF Olivia and Angry Peter, because I’m sure now we’re closer to see September again, whom I think could as well say to them the same thing Windmark said to Etta: “You just won’t give up… you Walter keep creating vortexes, wormholes and now blackholes, you Peter keep existing while Olivia has to die in in every possible future but never evah does” … okay then, I’m so happy with what Etta did for the show, her theme has been well addressed so far, so I’m hopping for the best yet to come, that is Olivia’s abilities, now featuring Peter’s abilities?! Nina and September!

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    • Red Ballon says

      BTW, who the hell gave 1 to this one? that’s nuts, maybe some angry Nina fan? … I miss her too but lets be reasonable here lol

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      • Lincless says

        Perhaps the voter already knows Peter’s obersever plot will turn out nowhere as good or intersting as it promises….:)

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        • Red Balloon says

          I think the hour they just gave us of that plot and at least one more guarantee for next week it’s more than enough as long as it’s well done. So far things are looking good for September’s appearance and some developments in the fringe team, but yeah, I agree and I don’t want to see more partial Peter plots you know?, they should finish what they started with good or bad outcome but at least complete

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  24. says

    Just a quick comment: LOVED THIS EPISODE!!! I’ll be back later to offer my reasons. In short–Anna, Josh and John and powerful Polivia moments and Peter focus.

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  25. Surun Tunne says

    I literally screamed “oh my god” when peter injected that observer tech into his neck…I usually never do that…
    10/10 for me!

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  26. Rick Terry says

    My theory:

    Peter will meet September for September’s (linear) first time soon. September will see that Peter is this badass that has taken their tech and turned it against them. He will be curious. That is one thing all Observers are is curious. He will want to find out why Peter has done such a thing, and why he is not going silently into the slaughter like everyone else. I believe he will find out via all his time travel that we got to witness over the course of the series.

    In other words September is walking around right now in 2036 as one of the bad Observers, because 2036 is September’s past. He will meet Super-Peter before he ever decides to time-travel into Peter’s past. This will be the “why” of September watching Peter for all these years. When he sees what Peter and Walter and Olivia have had to go through, he will change his perspective on humans, particularly these humans.

    Thoughts?

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    • Red Balloon says

      Rick, Interesting, but I have my doubts
      Walter was important because he discovered the vaccine against aviary decease which was going to cause world wide deaths in one possible future, then Peter happened and turned linear time-space into chaos unbalancing parallel universes and now time-lines. I still think Walter is the key for September’s curiosity, which was extremely interesting to watch the first time, but I don’t think it will continue with Peter because it would be redundant since the answer is practically the same: LOVE. On the other hand, maybe he will be interested in PO’s future because they are the originals from which their robot-clone kind were created (I also think that they are clones created by no other than Bell or Nina) and he has to unravel their paradox-twisted existence. Etta? I dunno what’s her direct link to September’s speech inside his mind, maybe she being born and chased into the future was the only way for PO to become the perfect combination for their future kind.
      That hurt my mind…. a little :p

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  27. Ben says

    Well… that was just phenomenal from start to finish. Brilliant acting, editing, writing, plot twists, emotions, action, just everything. Normally I’d try and express my thoughts on the episode in a more coherent fashion, but I’m still in shock after what I just witnessed!

    A few thoughts-

    * Fringe can always be counted on to pull off a powerful interrogation/torture scene, and AOS was no exception. The exchange between Peter and the Observer was a fascinating conflict between cold reason and human emotion. Peter’s “darker” side had some traits you’d have associated with the likes of David Robert Jones and John Mosely: I suppose if you’ve been captured and tortured as many times as Peter has, you’re bound to pick up a few tricks. :P

    * The Observers have become a lot more convincing as villains in the last few episodes. How they managed to restart the delivery of the equipment so quickly reflects how difficult they should be as enemies, and the way the Observer showed no fear even in the face of death reflects how deadly they can be. The most dangerous foes are those who don’t care whether they live or die.

    * Does anyone else think Josh Jackson would have done an amazing job as Anakin Skywalker in Star Wars? His portrayal of Peter’s more ruthless side was captivating, in my opinion. It’s easy to see where Etta got her tough side from as well!

    * How much of a gutless, pathetic, servile individual must you have to be to become a “Loyalist”?! They’re basically helping the Observers condemn our kind and themselves to a miserable future, then destruction. Fair enough resisting their rule is incredibly dangerous, but to actively assist them is a heinous crime against humanity.

    * The ramifications of Peter’s act at the end of the episode will be one of the most intriguing stories of the series. We’ll hopefully get an insight into what makes the Observers so different to other humans.

    Can’t wait until next week already!

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    • JM says

      Well I will say any actor would have a tough job giving a worse performance as anakin skywalker than hayden christensen

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  28. Anne says

    OMG! Finally! I’m so relieved! I have to admit the first 4 episodes of the season left me in a kind of constant frustration. I don’t say I didn’t like the episodes, they were not bad. But I don’t know, it was kind of slow and above all, I had the impression we completely lost our Fringe team and they got rid of everything that happened in the first 4 seasons.
    During those episodes, our beloved team was completely in the background, kind of absent, Olivia even being completely transparent. And also everything that happened before seemed anihilated (is it english?).
    But this!!!! My goodness, it was absolutely genious episode!!! As if Etta’s death finally brought the team back to us. Finally we had those amazing moments between the characters (Olivia and Walter, Astrid and Olivia, Peter and Olivia), good-as-hell action, darkness, emotions, amazing story, damn good cliffhanger (even better than last week!). In a word, that was the Fringe I love! I was so scared this last season was going to be disapointing. Even if I never stopped trusting the writers, I was like “God guys, you’d better not be disapointing on this one. You have such an amazing chance to be able to finish this properly, you’d better be good and not waste that chance”. And yesterday, I was so happy to see that trust was not a waste of time :) JH Wyman was the writer for this one so I’m not surprised it was damn good and back on track :)
    And I even feel that, maybe, we might have the parallel universe back. I don’t know, maybe I’m completely wrong, but as I said above in a comment, those shippings, could they come from the parallel universe, and not from the future? I have to say… I hope so :)
    AAAAH, Gosh I feel good today :)

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  29. Fringeyeahbaby! says

    loved the ending! first part of the episode was just ok though.

    gosh, it’s so different here with everyone being so positive! see THIS is what we wanted all along kate and dylan! no ones argument, everyones happy:)

    *sob* only a matter of weeks left before its all over…

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  30. _lost_stef_ says

    Also this is the first time we have heard Olivia and Peter both say at the same time that they love each other. Usually it’s one or the other and not both…. What a sweet moment in Polivia history….

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    • Sam says

      Lol too bad Peter’s ILY wasn’t as sincere as Olivia’s because he was too busying…transforming at the time.

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    • FringeAgentAmanda says

      That’s so true, I hadn’t noticed that! Says a lot that we’ve been able to sense how much they love each other and not have a bunch of ILY here and there ;)

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  31. gil_cdn says

    10 telltale sign of Peter becoming an Observer:

    1. Sudden rapid hair loss;
    2. Starting to put tons of hot sauce in all his food;
    3. Changing his wardrobe to white shirt and black tie;
    4. Talking in a slow mechanical monotone;
    5. Tilting his head when thinking his next move;
    6. Stocking up on jalapeño;
    7. Got drunk after chugging a bottle of water;
    8. Carry things around in a old black brief case;
    9. Wearing a grey fedora hat;
    10. Constantly reading Walter, Olivia and Astrid’s mind.

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      • Sam says

        I don’t think Peter has become an actual Observer. For now at least. The tech just gives them their abilities. I’m thinking there has to be more which accounts for the strange behaviour you’ve listed.

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        • Rick Terry says

          I think the actual Observer are either clones, or test tube genetically engineered humans. Then they get a neck chip thingy at some point in their growth. To me that would explain why there are no females.

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          • Sam says

            Sounds plausible, Rick. I’m really curious about the lack of female Observers. I wonder what would happen if a woman put the chip into her neck. Would it work?

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  32. lhan says

    Does anyone else think that the Observer that Olivia killed (who was also on the street when they opened the portal) looked just like Sean Hayes?

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    • Rick Terry says

      You’re not the only one, but it seems a lot of folks think that this makes Peter the first Observer, but I don’t agree with that idea. I think he is just a guy with Observer abilities now. I think it has something to do with WHY September was watching him for his whole life. I figure some time soon Peter will run into 2036 September who will not know Peter yet, because this September that he comes into contact with will be September before he does any time travel. I think 2036 September will want to know how the heck a mere human is capable of having the same powers as his kind. I think this will become the Origin of why September chose to Observe Peter and Walter. This is what make the boy “important”.

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    • Red Balloon says

      I’m as clueless as you are, but if I have to pick one, I would go for the observer’s notebook – language … that’s the key for the team to understand their origin future-past or whatwhenever they were created

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        I was also confused about the ‘An Origin Story’ title but it seems like we witnessed an origin of something in this episode. I also agree with Rick that Peter isn’t the first ‘Observer’

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        • shidey17 says

          Agreed. The origin of “something” just we don’t know what. I think it has to do with the team and the Observers. I love Rick’s theory btw. I don’t think Peter is the first Observer, either. But maybe he’s the beginning of something better for the future. If the Observers are cold and unfeeling, basically an inhuman evolution of humanity, then maybe Peter’s injecting himself with the tech is the beginning of a more human-like, yet futuristic possibility for humanity — one that is capable of using technology for good to solve the problems of the world, while still holding onto the most basic things that in fact, do make us human.

          Since at least The End of All Things, I have thought there was something about Peter and Olivia, and their offspring, and September in particular, that is important for the future of humanity. Not just saving it. But in shaping it. Perhaps what we saw in the episode is the beginnings of that.

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          • says

            How about The Origin Of Love for The Observers.
            Without love, your life is incomplete. That could be why there are no female Observers.

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    • Drenami says

      I think this is the origin of the greatest super hero duo ever in life! Peter and Olivia will become the ultimate super hero pair. There will be thousands of stories witten of Polivia in our future. Shows, movies, comics, cartoons, you name it. Polivia will go down in history. Someday, people will wonder how it all started and they will be directed to this 40-some minutes of telivision history. Some fans may become intrigued and watch Fringe from the beginning, but others will be satisied with this episode as an explination. We will enjoy this, but wil still be bittersweet about the end of what started it all. Many may still never know of the magnificence that was Fringe, but we will. (Kinda like how so many ‘Lord of the Rings’ fans have never heard of ‘The Hobbit’.) What do you guys think? ps. I tried to say something about this on Friday night, but my whole paragraph was deleted..it was much better written then this one, but I was frustrated when it disapeared and decided to come back later)

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      • Red Balloon says

        That’d be great Drenami, but I think you’ll need another 80-some minutes to explain also Olivia’s origins. “Ability” or “Jacksonville” would be nice … the Pilot is mandatory to explain Walter’s ;)

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        • Drenami says

          It would be great, wouldn’t it? Oooo.. That is why it is “An” origin story rather than “The” origin story. :) Hey, I can dream, right? I wish I would have written it as well as I did the first time:)

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    • Rick Terry says

      Pondering on this title, I have come up with something that might add up.

      In comic books we get origin stories. In those origin stories we find out how our hero get his/her powers/abilities. So this would go along with Peter putting that tech into his neck. We just saw the origin of Super-Peter.

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      • Drenami says

        Right. Exactly. I just could not bear the though of one without the Dunhamator so… :) Even though she may come second in the rostering, and even though new fans may not know it at first, we all know that even though the Cortexiphan seems to be gone from her system, Olivia can do anything she allows herself to believe she can, cortexiphan or not. She’ll save his bamfa$$ one day and the new crowds go wild. We shake our heads thinking “if they only knew the half of what she is capable of.”

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        • Red Balloon says

          In my book/comic, the Dunhamnator always comes first, haha… but I’ll let you have your dream hehe

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    • Alaina says

      I wondered that and I briefly entertained the notion that maybe Peter is the origin of the Observers…but i am not convinced on that one yet. I think maybe the title comes from the line that Peter said to the Observer he was torturing about how their origins are still human.

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  33. says

    What a great episode. What an interesting turn of events for our Fringe team. What a great road to a potentially amazing series final.

    This episode was fantastic. It had action, tons of emotion and a bit of humor (come on–Abner!). As a P/O shipper, I also like how the writers are able to keep a level of tension in the relationship between Peter and Olivia which keeps it interesting.

    Anna Torv is just an extremely talented actress. I’ve seen some of her other work and it is so different from the Olivia character and just as powerful. Josh Jackson has surprised me. I know a lot of people don’t have the highest regard for his acting or the character of Peter, but I think JJ has done an excellent job bringing him to life–with this season being the standout for him. John Noble — simply terrific. I’d like to see more for the Astrid character, but I doubt that will happen, as Fringe has always been about the ‘big 3′.

    I am truly excited to see how this all plays out. I do hope to see Olivia taking the lead again–not every time, but often enough as she remains our tie to this Fringe world.

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  34. 134sc says

    I feel like they are finally starting to dive into the mythology. Which is awesome by the way.

    I enjoyed the first four episodes, but they were more about characters and relationships. Those episodes however, were neccessary to get us to this episode. Without the first four, this epi wouldn’t have had packed the same punch. I think now we are going to get some answers and they will attempt to explain how the first four seasons tie in with the Observer invasion. We have not yet been told why Peter is important, or why Etta needed to be born and not Henry, or why if Peter is so important why did the Observers want him gone (that always confused me).

    Plus there are some things from my own curiousity that I hope is addressed, for example William Bell. I think that he has known for the entire series about the observers. The alternate universe stuff was a huge red herring and that the real threat the whole time was the observers. I think he is still alive and has more to do with this then we have been led to believe. Plus when he disapeared at the end of last season, i feel like it was very similar to how the Observers just appear (or maybe im just reading to much into it).

    Oh and put me down for believing Peter has something to do with the Observers origins.

    Im looking forward to the next episode.

    ps. I think that the Observers are human, but they have evolved so much to the point that their IQ is so advanced that there is no room in their brain for anything other type of human traits (emotion etc). Because of this there technology is also so advanced that they have figured out a way to give themselves special abilities, but in order to do so the tech they created must become one with the host body. Clearly the tech is a part of the human just as a brain or heart would be and to remove it causes death. Its like how when I bought my phone it needed more memory, so I bought a memory stick and inserted it in in the phone. However, if I take the stick out, my phone will no longer work, cuz the new memory is now intertwined with the phone. The phone has become reliant on the new memory, just as the human body become reliant on the Observer tech.

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    • QbanariK says

      Well yeah, William Bell is alive and well (minus one hand) in amber. And yes, ever since I saw this Observer had a piece of tech on the back of the head I couldn’t stop but wonder if Bellie had anything to do with the “creation” of these beings, sort of his ultimate shapeshifter work perfected… only that these do not need to shape-shift because they have far superior abilities.

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    • ML says

      Good point about the way Bell mysteriously disappeared last season. I never even thought about it but how was he able to do that??? It was very Observer like.
      Plus he’s the one who developed the weapon to fight the Observers, right?

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  35. Rick Terry says

    Has anyone given any thought as to why or rather how the Observers were able to recover their shipment so quickly?

    The only explanation I can come up with it that when Peter shot the anti-matter baton into the wormhole it actually did do exactly what walter believed it would do. Although I believe he fail to account for the nature of time-travel itself.

    Let me explain:

    We know that the Observers had a shipping manifest with schedules that they adhered to. Correct?

    With that in mind we have to assume that Observers on the future side of the portal also had the same schedule. Correct?

    Can we also assume that whoever is in charge in 2609 has a copy of that schedule?
    I think yes.

    So let’s say that Walter’s plan worked and totally destroyed the shipping channel/wormhole turning it into a black hole sucking in everything in its path setting the 2609 Observers back years, or even decades.

    To me that wouldn’t necessarily matter in our time. Even if it took the future Observers years to recover their shipping channel/wormhole they would still stick to the schedule. Of course for this one particular shipment they would just tweak the time by a few to several minutes.

    That I believe is what happened. Peter actually did screw up their portal for a good long time, but it didn’t matter because once they recovered they simply adjusted the time by a few minutes and went through with the shipment as planned.

    By this logic, there really isn’t a need to have the future Observers standing around waiting for certain times to ship either. In fact all they would need to do is send shipments on a continuous basis to all the different times and places scheduled on the manifest. From their end it would take however long that it needed to produce the tech and box it up then they could send it virtually any time they wanted. from our end it would happen over the course of several days/weeks/months/years/etc.

    Does this make sense to anyone?

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    • Surun Tunne says

      I think that’s a great theory and it totally makes sense to me!
      i doesn’t matter at what time (or year) the observers from the future are ready to ship those boxes…they just need to know at what time it should exactly arrive in the “past”!

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  36. g33k says

    I adored this episode, it reminded me a lot of “Peter” in season 2 and I think I’m going to do a rewatch of the two back to back so I can see Walter come full circle.
    I love how they’ve got Angry Peter on overdrive now. I’ve always thought that the best performances came from this character came when he was in conflict and ready to kick some a$$. yay! :) Looking forward to see how far he will cross the line to get what he wants.
    Being lucky enough to be in Vancouver I got to see them shoot some scenes for this. I didn’t see any sort of special effects around the Etta posters, they were put up and there from start to finish as they shot the scene.
    Can’t wait to see the rest of this amazing season and show. If no one gets even ONE nomination for this show for an Emmy, I’m boycotting the Emmys FOREVER.

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  37. Ambered says

    I love this episode because it continued the dark trajectory of Fringe and made it unpredictable, IMO. Although this reckless move of Peter makes it interesting, almost like the end of S3 speculation that Peter becomes the first Observer, I am now getting a bad feeling that Fringe will not end in an idyllic day at the park.

    It was heartbreaking to watch how Olivia chose to be vulnerable again in an attempt to salvage their love while Peter chose the really dark side. At least to me, he was not a better man than his father at this point. But I can’t say it’s easy for him, given the provoking speech by his captive, and given Peter’s character.

    JJ’s performance was really good in this episode. Very nice.

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    • Ann Louise says

      . Although this reckless move of Peter makes it interesting, almost like the end of S3 speculation that Peter becomes the first Observer, I am now getting a bad feeling that Fringe will not end in an idyllic day at the park.

      I watched this episode without knowing the title. The next day I said to my husband “I think we just saw the beginning of the Observers. If Peter and Olivia had more children, they would be infused with the Oberserver tech Peter put in his body.” Today I find out the epsiode title.

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  38. Darth Kid says

    This was a rather good episode, with not many not-so-good moments. I mean, yeah, it wasn’t perfect (espicially not for Olivia fans), but it was still a good episode. What concerns me though, is that Olivia is kind of taking a back seat. And in this episode, she was more or less just a broken, depressive mother that lost her child. It was kind of depressive to watch her like that (and I swear, if the writers decide to destroy Olivia’s personality/reputation, if they decide to give her a minor role, I am so going Peter style on them).

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      • Sam says

        The problem is that we’ve almost reached the midpoint of the season and Olivia still doesn’t have her own story in this new world. Peter and Walter do but Olivia’s just the character who is reacting to what’s happening around her.

        I do agree with what ML said about her growth but if this emotional overload doesn’t lead anywhere interesting eventually and Olivia just continues to cry over Etta, chase after Peter and try to tame him till the end then I too will be very pissed off.

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        • Lincless says

          The only characters with an arc so far this season are Peter and (to an extent) Broyles.
          All the others are just there trying to waste time as good as they can.

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          • Sam says

            Walter’s got the plan to defeat the Observers thing going on but after some focus on it for a while it doesn’t seem all that important anymore. Because we had Peter say in the last episode that it’s not getting them anywhere and he’s chosen to do things his way now. I’m sure in the end though that will change when the whole plan starts to come together.

            But Olivia just doesn’t have any purpose at all. The only reason they even freed her from the amber was because she had the thought unifier on her. After that what’s been her use? Honestly, they could have just killed her off instead of Etta and it wouldn’t have made a huge difference at this point.

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            • ML says

              wth. Her purpose is that we are emotionally invested in her journey.
              We cared about Etta because she was Olivia and Peter’s daughter. It wasn’t so much that we loved Etta. It was who she was.

              I know its a shorten season but there is time. It’s silly to think Olivia is going to be sitting around crying all season. If Olivia wasn’t grieving then people would say she didn’t care.
              Of course we are going to see the Olivia who fights back. It’s all the more interesting now that we’ve seen her grieve for he daughter.

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              • Sam says

                Guys, what I am saying is from a story standpoint. Not saying they *should* have killed her off instead. Of course the emotional journey is there. All the characters have that. I need more.

                I will gladly eat my words when and if the rest of the season proves me wrong. For now that’s just how I feel about all of this.

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              • says

                ML, I totally agree with you. I think the Olivia story this season is her emotional growth–letting down her walls, being open to accepting love; whether Peter’s, Etta’s. A person’s purpose or story doesn’t always have to be action-packed or big and loud. Olivia is Fringe–her life has been nothing but a Fringe event.

                The focus on Peter is very much deserved. Peter has spent the better part of 4 seasons as the ‘rock’, the guy who is always there for Walter and Olivia. Josh Jackson has played the part well and now it is time for him to shine–giving his character more depth and more to do.

                It goes without saying, at least for me, I welcome an opportunity for the Olivia character to be able to show a bit of vulnerability. Anna Torv puts on a master class almost every episode and this one ranks among her best performances. To show emotion, to profess love and a desire to be loved isn’t a weakness or make Olivia less of a badass. In fact, this aspect of Olivia makes her an even better and more believable hero. I love Olivia (and Anna Torv). I also have faith that Wyman will do the right thing by our beloved character . . . a badass who is emotionally available to those that love her.

                Just sayin . . .

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                • ML says

                  well said, scully8. The Olivia we have known for most of these 4 seasons has been this emotionless/stoic individual. This being the final arc of our characters its important for us to see how she’s evolved. She made a decision in this ep to not lose Peter again.

                  Wyman has said repeatedly how this season is about the characters journeys over anything.

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                • Sam says

                  scully8 – Beautifully said. I don’t disagree.

                  I’d like to clarify though that I am by no means saying that I need every scene of Olivia’s to be action-packed to make me happy. I DO appreciate the more subtle growth of her character that we are getting to see and her transformation from an introvert to someone who lets her guard down more often.

                  Still though, I can’t help but feel like she is disconnected from the bigger story and I guess that’s just something I’m not used to so it bothers me. For her to have some place in that bigger story before the end isn’t asking for a lot, is it?

                  As for the focus on Peter, even though I think he has been more prominent than ever since about midseason 3 yes he does deserve it. But I don’t think the final season is the appropriate season to sort of make it up to the character if he hasn’t really been going around zapping people like Olivia or breaking universes like Walter. The last ever season is the time to make sure the finale belongs to each of the main characters. I want our core 3 to receive equal focus and that hasn’t quite been the case lately.

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    • ML says

      No I think you are missing the point of Olivia’s growth as a character. I love to see Olivia in charge and kicking butt more than anything but its also important to see how Olivia has evolved. This is our final season.
      Also Olivia didn’t have a minor role in this ep. She has about equal screentime to Peter but what we saw was just so different than Peter.

      I loved Olivia making the decision to watch the tape. Walter was right. It was important for Olivia to remember and I loved that Olivia grieved and made the decision to not lose Peter. They both made that mistake the last time. Olivia did the right thing here. Peter did not.

      Now I do agree we need to see more pro active Olivia now. I’m hoping that now she’s dealing healthier with losing Etta that that is what we will see. Plus Peter has really gotten himself into a mess. As fun as it is going to be a watch, someone’s got save him from himself. I think Olivia will help him here.

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      • giorgio - Greece says

        Don’t forget what was said in the finale of S04. That Olivia is now “normal”. No Cortexiphan in her anymore. I’m not saying that Cortexiphan made her who she was but it was a big part of her abilities to deal with things.

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      • says

        “Plus Peter has really gotten himself into a mess. As fun as it is going to be a watch, someone’s got save him from himself. I think Olivia will help him here.”

        Totally agree. However if she doesn’t save Peter from himself :) and not be more proactive (I miss that part of her too), then Joel will have lots of splaining to do

        Sam — I do get what you’re saying. A little more Liv taking down Observers like she did this episode. Oh yeah . . . she was saving Peter from getting a boot in the face.

        Just sayin . . . this is turning into a hell of a ride.

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  39. Cortexiphan Kid says

    ”I think of you as I would an ant colony as I pass by it. I don’t care about the workings of the colony, why one ant is mad at another or why one ant would kill another or not. To me, it is insignificant. And like an ant colony, you are oblivious to your limitations. You think the black over your head is dark skies… when it is really our shoe.”

    It looks like that Observer is not particularly interested in myrmecology. If he would be, he wouldn’t be saying this.

    We think of ourselves as the crown of creation, the most sucessful species on the planet, while infact, we are not. That honour belongs to the tiny ants. It is estimated, that biomass of all ants in the world is bigger than the biomass of humanity. Ants practiced agriculture, building and food cultivation long before humans even exsisted. The entire ant colony works as one organism, perfectly. There is no such thing as an individual ant in ant colony. Ants teach us, that toghether, we are stronger, that toghether, we can do things that were considered impossible. Because toghether, humans can win this war. :)

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  40. Lincless says

    I wonder what psychologists have to say about Walter’s advice for parents to watch video’s of their recently died child :D
    “Watch it, wacht it, the script says we need a big crying scene!!!!!”

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    • says

      I think that Walter’s advice is sound because he respects Olivia and Peter’s feelings of sadness.
      It was a beautiful way of sharing the memories of a young Etta, on her special day, her birthday celebration no less, and to have a record of Etta’s young life and what lead up to her legacy.

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      • Lincless says

        I understand that. The video is certainly a nice memory.
        However, I think it just too early. I mean, they (especially Olivia) were still heavily in mourning and I think it’s essential to be able to let go before you reach to the past and past memories. They way it was now, it just made Olivia’s pain even stronger while it could have been a little reward if Walter had waited a few weeks (or even month). until she dealt with her daughter’s death personally.

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  41. DeepRunner says

    OK here’s a thought…how the season progresses, just off the top of my head:

    * Peter becomes more The Dark Lord, and this forces Olivia (or maybe Walter?) to pull the trigger (unlike what happened in What Lies Below), since Peter becomes unrecognizable to either his true love or his father. Alternately, Peter and Windmark face-off, with Windmark winning and Peter dying (sort of like a twisted Jedi taking on Darth Maul)

    * Walter and Olivia defeat the Observers (perhaps wiping them from the timeline)

    * Walter (maybe with the help of September) figures out how to go back through the wormhole to 2015, thus making a different choice in what happens (callback to TDWD, 3.22)

    * Peter, Olivia, and Etta are all alive, and Grandpa Walter has his redemption as the man who saved the future

    Intriguing, no?

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  42. ML says

    I did a rewatch today and that last scene got to me even more. Now I’m really pissed off at what Peter did. Just so foolish Peter!

    He tells Olivia earlier they will work TOGETHER. But he’s shown so determined to do things HIS WAY even though both Walter and Olivia tell him they were hesitant about his plan. That scene when he tells Olivia and Walter “I’ve made up my mind” illustrates where Peter’s head is at. You can see Olivia watch him walk away knowing something is wrong.
    When Olivia calls him all baring herself like she rarely ever does and its such a gut punch to watch Peter’s face as he knows what he just did.

    Well done writers

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    • _lost_stef_ says

      I’ve rewatched this episode several times now and that ending does not get any easier to watch! Olivia is so broken and vulnerable and when she begs Peter to come home it’s definitely hard to accept how selfish Peter was at that moment.

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      • FringeAgentAmanda says

        After re-watching the episode, and listening to Yazoo “Only You” again, the song sounds more hauntingly true for Olivia. Or it could also apply for Peter’s point of view.

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  43. says

    When this episode started I remember something that feels so weird to me. Olivia has his sister Rachel but no one talked about her since the season started and Olivia doesn’t seem worried at all! Well if I was trapped in amber in 21 years I would need to know about what happened to my family since then! Even if since season 4 they weren’t closer to each other (she was still married), this is a missing part in fringe and it needs a closure! What happened to Rachel??? Olivia don’t care about her at all??? Please, help me fringe buddys ;)

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    • Sam says

      I would love to see Rachel and Ella again and their reaction to Olivia who hasn’t aged since they last saw her. But Wyman said that’s not happening.

      Another thing I can’t believe they still haven’t told us is what our team’s last thoughts were before they ambered themselves. We had that whole episode with the twin brothers about the effects of amber but apparently none of that applies to our Fringies. God, I wish we had a full season.

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      • ML says

        I’m wondering if we’re ever going to see what happened that day. We’re running out of time.
        I think we’ll see what happened in the park because we have to see exactly what happened to Etta. The show keeps showing snippets from the park so I do expect to see what happened there but it doesn’t seem like we’re going to get very long flashbacks. That disappoints me.

        I would love to see more happy moments between P/O/E. How about seeing pregnant Olivia! We waiting seasons for this and it feels like we’re being deprived some lovely moments.
        I thought maybe they would do a full flashback ep but it doesn’t look like tha’ts going to happen.
        Don’t get me wrong. I’m mostly digging this season but these are just some of the things I would like to see.

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  44. says

    Personally, I don’t really need to see Rachel again :) it’s just I think she needs a closure, she’s a caracter that was so important to Olivia and she doesnt mention her in any scene! Wyman said that we wont know what happened to Liv’s sister?

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    • Sam says

      Yeah, at least a mention would be nice. He was asked if we’ll see Ella again and he said no. I’m guessing no Ella means no Rachel either.

      Don’t know if that also means they won’t be mentioned.

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    • Rick Terry says

      I think they already covered Rachel, and Ella. The Shrink told her that she was still married to her husband and moved away with Ella, and their son Eddy. I believe it was at this moment that Olivia realized that with her new-old timeline memories she is as much a stranger to this timeline as Peter is, and she decided she was fine with that. I’m sure she does miss her sister and niece, but she also hate’s her version of her sister’s husband, and has never even met her nephew in her memory. So she has basically let them go much as she did with Nina and even Lincoln from this timeline. She made a choice to accept blue-Olivia’s memories as her own, and to forget her own memories for the love of Peter. With that came the forgetting of her familial relationships as well.

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  45. says

    That’s just a shame and It feels unreal to me that she doesnt care about her sister.. But well.. we have to live without the greatness of all moments that we desire on Fringe :)

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  46. Dan says

    I watched the origins twice,and came away with the almost uncomfortable feeling that Peter, by allowing the Observer tech into his body, became the seed for all future Observers. Hope I’m wrong. Still a fascinating show.

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