Fringe concludes next Friday, Jan 18, with the two-hour series finale, “Liberty/An Enemy of Fate”. Watch the first-look promo.
FRINGE: 5.12-13 Liberty/An Enemy Of Fate — Series Finale Promo
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Could not possibly be more excited. RED UNIVERSE!!!!!!
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Jumping Up and down hearing/seeing Fauxlivia in a promo. Never thought THAT would happen. I’m all giddy.
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I am so excited right now I am making the same face that Olivia is in the “still image” above before you start the video!
AAAAAHHHHHH! LOL, she looks funny.
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Methinks I’m coming back!
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Unless you died of old age…sorry, mate.
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I can’t die of old age. I’m John Noble.
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I don’t know. Walternate looked DAMN good in the Season 3 finale and that was only 10 years less than Season 5. He was on the run, lost everyone he knew (almost very literally), and had the face of the “most hated man in the universe”. That being said, I thought the same thought but changed my mind after thinking back. Plus, they have some damn good medicine “over there”.
But, I don’t know if we see Walternate. John Noble kept referring to Anna’s chance to do some things from the series heyday. He never included himself.
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No, if Walternate was 60ish, he could be 84ish and doing just fine. I work where elderly people live and there are 90 year-olds that have more energy than I do!
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Oh god it looks too amazing. I knew they’d return to the Alternate Universe, I just knew it. I haven’t felt this emotional and anxious since waiting for the finale of Lost.
1 more week guys…
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Just awesome-ness all over this promo! I’ve never had such a mixture of excitement/fear/sadness come from one single promo. The end looks like it’s going to live up to all the actors high praise, I sure hope it does…I’ve got faith it will. Also absolutely love to see Peter actually telling Olivia he loves her. Surprisingly as much as we know he does, other than Olivia’s dream before she got her memories back early in season 4, we’ve never heard him say it. Olivia’s always been the one to say it…I was hoping with all the talk of the finale giving the characters the chance to finally say what they need to say, they would include a Peter “I love you” to Olivia, so glad they did!
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He said it in An Origin Story.
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Don’t let the promo people trick you though. For all we know Peter’s saying this to Walter. I don’t think Peter is saying it to Olivia at least, not in that scene in the promo. Instead t looks like Peter is fading out due to the cortexiphan.
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Probably. You can never trust the promos.
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Very true. I think he will say it to her at some point in the episode, maybe not that actual line though. And it definitely didn’t look like it was the scene in the promo since his mouth wasn’t even moving.
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And you’re right shidey, I forgot about that, probably because some of the emotional resonance was lost in the fact that he had just secretly inserted observer tech into himself haha.
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Yeah it’s like he said it through gritted teeth…I wasn’t really fond of it but oh well.
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Indeed. Speaking of cortexiphan, is olivia looking at Peter in a different way? He is supposed to have a glimmer around him, since he is from the alternate universe but now it’s more like he is “in motion” and there are sparks of reimbow colours on him too. And she sees the same thing on the observers as she walks through a hallway.
Mmmmm…..should we expect other important twists?
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I see that Wyman is going to be answering the twitter question: “is altlivia happy with lincoln, are we gonna see them before the show ends?” dear god…
Hot debate. What do you think?
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You have to admit that was by far the most important remaining question!
Now it’s: How did Lincoln get rid of his glasses?
I really hope we will get an answer to this!
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LMAO . . .
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I guess so . . . afterall Lincoln is the glue that held the team together before Peter showed up in season 4.
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I swear I cannot take any more Walter crying
Make it stop
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that is so Walter that Olivia is looking at the end there. Pisses me off that promo guy tries to mislead us.
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Very happy we are seeing the Alts again, but I’m curious as to how Altlivia and Lincoln are still the same age as they were last we saw them? I’m guessing it is some sort of tech, or Olivia can also time travel now as well.
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I think they’ve aged…albeit rather gracefully.
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They look older to me.
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Fringe is not consistent with age.
Just compare AltElizabeth from Season 2 and Season 4.
And you have to remember that Lincoln/Atlivia shippers won’t accept to ship 50 year olds, so they still have to look like 30.
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Shit is about to get real when the other universe comes in!
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Watching … yet ..
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So sad and happy at the same time!
Altlivia and Lincoln are married, I just saw a ring in Lincoln fingers. And, talking about that, where’s Olivia ring?
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OMG I’m soooo excited but sad…I’m very happy to see the alternate universe again. But what’s up with Alt-Liv’s hair?!
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Curly hair = older.
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I suppose….still a bad wig though LOL
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LMAO . . .
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This is gonna be a long week…… Can’t wait!(:
Hope the episode is as awesome as the promo (:
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Cerveris was excellent, so much that I didn’t missed his baldness, but I have a rant: I just realized September went from being a miserable tech-human being, to be a miserable human being…what did he do all these years?, he didn’t even looked up for Etta or the resistance? … It just doesn’t add for me, that he just gave up his son 20 years ago, and did nothing to make sure that the plan was taking place. I also didn’t feel for Michael’s and Septembers touching hands twice, but I did believe the change September experienced, in fact, I think he’s being crying ever since…he’s such a sad man now…I dunno, I don’t like that resolution. Maybe thinking that he sacrificed his and his son’s life experience for the sake of human kind, but really, it appeared that he’s done nothing but been miserable, just like Walter for 17 years in Saint Claire, only Walter didn’t have a choice. This season isn’t what I expected at all. I get that humans got greedy on intelligence, but why after 400 years there’s someone who’s worried about feelings?. Well, I’ll take a another chance to cool off, but despite the excellent performance of Cerveris, I feel his character deserved a more elegant trajectory towards the end.
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if they reset the timeline by getting those norwegian scientific guys to not develop people to all smarts and no emotions, then septembre will not evolve, and he will not be there to distract red walternate when he wants to heal red peter, and then blue walter will therefore not need to go to the red universe and bring red peter back, so then peter does not meet blue olivia, and etta does not get born.
but since they do not know each other, they are not aware of their loss… but we will,of course… unless love really does transend everything, and the new circumstances do bring them together… spin-off, anyone?
here’s hoping…
take care, and beware the baldies…
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September could still evolve from the new, & improved set of genetically modified humans that those scientists create after studying Michael’s physiology.
Also I mentioned this in another post, but just because September never distracts Walternate, and Peter gets the cure from Walternate instead of Walter, doesn’t mean that Walter will never cross over.
We know that he and Bell were already thinking about doing it, and that he had created the Altverse window viewer before he even had to cross over.
It is still possible that Walter and Bell create an Army of Cortexi-kids headed by Olivia, and cross over like they did in season 2 finale. And that Olivia still meets Peter, and then they have this weird connection like they once spent a crazy life together in another life. The end.
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I’M SCREAMING LIKE HELL WITH THIS PROMO
BOUT TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK
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What is that red liquid? Is that a massive does of Cortexiphan that Walter will be injecting into Olivia??
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That is what i would assume.
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I don’t understand how the Plan could work. It’s been established that the observers exist outside of time and don’t experience it in a linear manner like humans do. Aren’t they simply immune to a timeline rewrite if such a thing were to occur?
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They don’t exist outside of time. They exist in a possible future.
Think of it like this:
Time is the fourth dimension. The past, present, and future are all happening at once from the perspective of the fourth dimension.
There is “The Future” and there are “Possible Futures”.
“The Future” is the set of events that actually happen in a given timeline.
Example: Say it’a 2006, well the election of Barack Obama (2008) will be an event in “The Future” of 2006.
“Possible Futures”
From a single timeline there are many possible roads to be taken to craft “The Future” these roads are know as “Possible Futures”
Example say it’s 2006 again. Well The election of Barack Obama is a possible future, as is the election of John McCain.
So going by what September said in “The Firefly” and what he again mentioned when Peter went into his mind. September said that many possible futures are all happening simultaneously, but that he doesn’t know which one will come to pass. (my paraphrase) He told Peter, that his kind are humans from one of many possible future of humanity (also my paraphrase).
So the Observers exist in a possible future (2609) that very much exists, just not here and now, for us it exists in the fourth dimension, for the Observers it exists as their present, just as our present exists as their past. The technology in their brains allow them to perceive the fourth dimension (we saw this demonstrated by Peter while he had the tech in his head) So they can, in a single second, view many possible outcomes of a certain event, and by viewing them all, can determine which ones are the most probable. This same tech allows them to travel in and out of their timeline at different points (unidirectional time-travel) Because they have these unique abilities, they can visit their past which is our present. Even though they don’t exist yet in a concrete future but do in the possible future.
What the Observers seem to be doing is attempting to make their possible future into the actual future. You see all the talk of the 99.999%probability of succeeding was all about them succeeding in making sure their future happens.
So with all that said. The plan suggests that we can build a machine to travel to 2167 also a possible future, but more aptly the actual past for the Observers, and while there change the course of their history by stopping their genesis as they know it. this will be like an abortion if the plan succeeds. they will never have an origin point to exist, thus their possible future will become impossible, only to be replaced by some other as yet to be seen possible future.
I don’t know if any of this make any sense to you, but in my head it works much better. let me know if I can expand on any parts.
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Oh ok, so what you’re suggesting that is that an observer can experience their future i.e (their present), even though it has not physically come to fruition and remains a possible future for a human?
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Exactly, and we can experience their existence because they have time-travel ability. if they didn’t have time-travel to the past ability, then their existence would be blissful ignorance to us.
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That is such a great explanation of how the observers can do what they do.
So from what I gather, essentially they can see past/present/probable futures. This allows them to “travel back in time” or be in the present or determine what is the most probable future. This also explains how they can be wrong when determining the future because their is room for error, albeit a very small one (we saw this with Peter when he missed a variable).
I also assume this technology is what allowed the Observers to choose the new timline, in the blueverse, in 2015 as they determined (through all the observing they’ve done throughout the series) that it gave them a 99.99% chance that their origin and therfore future would come to pass and also that they would be physically saved from said future, seeing as they eventually destroyed it. I wonder tho if they counted for Peter’s existance, which if they did not, could end up being that .01% that will be the difference.
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Exactly, this is why Peter had to be erased, and this is why September got in trouble for refusing to permanently erase Peter when traces of him began bleeding through the rewrite. Peter’s existence is a variable that the Observers think they have prepared for (I don’t believe they realize the lengths he will go in order to protect his family, and avenge his daughter). Peter is uniquely geared to be a weapon against the Observers since he has lost his miracle child that is a product if two separate universes. So in essence it is actually Etta’s previous existence that constitutes that 0.0001% that will cause them to fail.
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Rick, I get September’s plan, but I disagree with you on that what we’ve seen from the Observers is our future, not a possible future. They’ve already succeed because they exist, but they attempt to make their existence longer by wiping humans earlier from existence. That’s why they are bringing their infrastructure (less oxygen bio-terminator…whatever) into 2036. That’s their original intent when they sent the scientific team of the 12 observers, to determine why the earth was dying, and later sighted an opportunity to increase their chances of survival by invading us. If their invasion remains, they could try to develop other ways for them to live longer, since the environment is set up right for them. They are trying to trick time by coming to live 500 years earlier from earths final era. Well, that’s how I get it, but maybe I haven’t paying much attention though.
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It has been told by September to Peter while he was in September’s mind that the Observers are us (humans) from a far off possible future.
Here is a portion of the transcript:
THE OBSERVER: I am called ‘September’ but that is a code designation given to members of our scientific team.
PETER: Scientists? From where?
THE OBSERVER: A more apt question would be, ‘from when?’ we are you– we’re human… many generations after your lifetime. We are one of countless possible futures for humanity. Our technology has uniquely afforded us the ability to travel within and outside of time so that we may observe our beginnings.
You can’t argue with what is clearly spelled out in the show, you just have to understand it. That is what I was attempting to explain.
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When September said it, there was Bell’s threat of destroying the world they’ve already existed on…it’s not like September’s words can be taken literately, not after his “go home” after Peter tells him that he thinks home is the original time-line …and now with “the boy is important” line…I prefer to think they exist and are taking precautions to maintain their existence.
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I don’t think you are getting what I’m saying.
They exist in their time,(2167-2609) but their time does not exist relative to us “yet” since it is only “one of countless possible futures” for us. The only reason they can exist in our time, and we can interact with them is because they have the unique ability to time-travel to our time, which is their possible future’s past.
You see our time is the past for countless possible futures, it is just that this particular possible future has time-travel tech, and they are using that tech to ensure that their future continues to exist, and ends up being the “actual future” instead of only a “possible future”. They came back here because Peter was a variable that they saw as a problem for their existence, so they got as close to the variable time period as possible, and waited until the best possible moment (in their minds) to act (invade). Had they not invaded then they would have ceased to exist because of September’s meddling, but since they invaded, that ensured that they would exist in the future again, but now it seems that they are in trouble again because of Michael (who is the ultimate variable 0.0001% vs 99.9999%)
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This goes along with the old scientific argument that the act of Observing a process will actually change that process, resulting in unexpected results.
They wanted to learn about their beginning, do they decided to Observer the process of their beginnings, in doing this they changed their beginnings to a point that in order for them to even exist anymore, they needed to continue to adjust the timeline. We are working against their existence now.
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I don’t think Peter is the variable for their problems, hence the commander’s line “they are insignificant” or something like that. They’ve just been tagged as fugitives, but until now, they haven’t hinted us to think that they invaded because of Peter. I think the 99.9999% came that way because the world was no longer in danger of being destroyed. If they reset time, it has to be a new time-line, if not…the show will stay too convoluted to be understandable and we’ll have to relay on them changing the meanings of the beginnings. They said, every time someone makes a decision, they create a new possible future, in this case, since they are intervening with our past, they are the future. But never mind my POV…I’m not expert in this matter, and either way it’s still too contrived to try to get it right for the story to make sense. :S
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They did not include Michael as a variable in the equation of their continued existence since they believed he only had a 0.0001% chance of actually surviving. They didn’t count on one of their own emotionless brethren (September) becoming attached to his progeny (child), and then subsequently becoming attached to a group of people from the 21st century (our beloved character). They think they are the smartest things in the entirety of the existence of the universe, and that they are the be-all-end-all of evolution. So they cannot comprehend that some being that they see as less than them could possibly be detrimental to their existence. Thus why Commander Baldy said they are inconsequential. This plays into the theme of Hubris that has been running through Fringe since Walter was introduced.
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That I totally agree with, I think Walter is the real variable for them to be threaten by. He had a way with September, but still he should’ve being tagged as the man who crossed over damaging universes…
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actually i think they didn’t know where michael was when tthey calculated the odds, and now they think they have him…
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wow alt-liv looks good for a 50 something year old
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If you pause the promo on the altverse, it is clear that they made lincoln and altliv older looking, that being said…man did they ever age gracefully; I hope I look even half as good as they do when I am that age.
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It must be those regenerative nanobots that helped Alt Linc to heal that they have over there.
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Do you guys get the sense that people seem more down about the finale than excited?
Down because they are unhappy with some of the answers in 511 like changing who the boy is. Now people are going back and wondering about other things like what about Etta. I thought she was supposed to be important and had to be born.
To me Fringes mythology has never been that complicated but it seems as though that making it all about the Observer boy has complicated things.
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I think unless there’s a twist in the finale(maybe Donald was keeping something from Walter and he was referring to Peter) I think the writers have disappointed a lot of people.
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Betty November 15, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Or maybe the boy that must live is the Child Observer, because technically he is still a boy, right.
The reveal lived up to my expectations.
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Yes, but in episode 4×01 December said “they can never know the boy have lived to be a MAN” and he was referring to Peter. I’m not sure he was referring to walter, olivia ecc…or at least both them and the other observers. What’s this big problem for walter, olivia ecc to know that “the boy” became a man? Nothing, except for the observers. Peter, like Michael, was not supposed to come back to existence. They have lots in common.
Given, then, that Michael’s growth has been interrupted, what if Peter was that boy who became a man?
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Agree. But i get the feeling that september was not honest when walter asked him if with “the boy is important he has to live” he was referring to Michael and he said “yes”. Firstly because Michael had absolutely nothing to do with episode “Peter” and what we have seen. September’s line about michael right after he saved Peter and Walter in the lake is totally out of context! Secondly, the way september answered sounds more like a lie. September did not even look walter in the eyes and did not respond immediately, and this means he was probably hiding the truth for some reason.
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guys this is the last time that we’re analyzing a promo together.
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is anyone still holding out for an appearance of alt-charlie? I feel like he’s been forgotten for forever now. It’s a shame nobody is mentioning him even though he was a major player in the first few seasons
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It would be cool to see him, (although there would be some cheesy line about him being gone on vacation for a long time, so that would piss me off) but I am not holding my breath. Nor am i holding out for a Bell return or a John Scott return, or any other peripheral character return in the finale.
But it would be cool if it happened, just not holding my breath for it.
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