FRINGE: 5.11 The Boy Must Live Promo

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Here’s the promo for the Jan. 11 return of Fringe, “The Boy Must Live“.

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  1. Sam says

    What is this season like a love letter to everyone except anyone who likes Olivia?! I wanted to see her in the tank one last time, NOT WALTER.

    And of course the plan is to reset time. Didn’t see that coming.

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    • ML says

      Seriously, wouldn’t it have been great to go full circle and put Olivia in the tank? But I forgot Joel has reduced her importance this season.
      So frustrating.
      But as I understand it 512 is more of an Olivia ep but I’m afraid it may be a little too late for me

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      • Sam says

        Walter needs to remember what he was doing with September, fine. I’m sure they could have found another way for him to do that. Why be evil and bring the tank back but not put Olivia in it?

        Forget it, I’m not even hopeful about 512 anymore.

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    • ML says

      The thing is since the characters are actually talking about a reset its not going to be as simple as some seem to think.
      It’s not going to be a big surprise since the characters are talking about it. It’s about the destination to get there

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        • shidey17 says

          I hope so. I wouldn’t mind if they go back a little in time, but I will be incredibly dissatisfied if they go all the way back and the Big 3 don’t really even know each other.

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          • DeepRunner says

            I agree Shidey17. The only reason I mentioned the moment that Olivia met Peter was because it would have some of the cool factor in it. Shippers would love it. And more than a reset, it would be a rewind.

            More likely the reset point–if it happens–would be to the time just before the Observers arrived.

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          • _lost_stef_ says

            if they go back to the beginning and it ends at the start with Olivia meeting Peter for the first time i will be so fn pissed off and robbed and cheated and i will break something… they cant do that to us can they?

            i wouldnt mind a slight reset such as the park in 2015 but not the beginning beginning, my heart cant handle that

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        • DeepRunner says

          You may be right, Rick. The time reset could be 3.22 redux, where the choice someone makes (like Peter tearing holes in both universes) leads to an unintended/unforeseen consequence (like Peter disappearing–I don’t think they would have Peter disappear this time).

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            • Scott42444 says

              I really hope not. I have been thinking that for WAY too long. Of course, I could have watched an entire season of “Possible Machine Futures”. At least that is what I have been saying since the end of Season 3. So, if that is indeed what I have been watching I should just be okay with it. Since Season 4 is a season that forgets almost everything that happened in Seasons 1 – 3, Season 5 being a Season that never happens and erases Season 4 would be appropriate. I think. It’s confusing talking about Fringe sometimes.

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        yes shidey i would love them to go to original time line or even if they ended up in the park with ETTA but anything else i will throw a full grown adult tantrum

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        • SissySiri says

          I agree. If they do anything stupid like how Lost ended or Bobbi Ewing in the shower on Dallas and the whole previous season disappeared. If this happens I swear I will tape a picture of *someone* whose initials are J.W., on my punching bag. This better end well after all the time and emotions invested in this show.

          The original timeline is my favorite scenario, however . . . . would we be left to wonder if this was going to along the lines of Groundhog Day? Or what? Do you think we will get an indication that things will be better in the future? This is nerve-wracking.

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          • Scott42444 says

            You know, I was a Lost fan, a Sopranos fan, and of course a Fringe fan. I don’t think that there is an ending that means more to the show than that of Fringe. There are serious implications that can change the whole show. Lost’s ending really affected our outlook on the final season only (everything on the island really happened, the flash-sideways were a version of purgatory). Soprano’s ending is (scene missing – insert ending here). That doesn’t really affect the viewers opinion of the series as a whole. But, Fringe has a chance to alter the perception of the series as a whole during it’s finale AND has built up the lore that can back it up. Resetting time? Alternate Reality? Alternate Timeline? Alternate Universe? All a possible future of Peter in a machine? All an ambered dream? All a vision from Olivia in the tank in the pilot? All of this is plausible and possible within the world that Fringe created. That is a very rare and difficult feat for any show to accomplish, especially those that last 100 episodes. My hope is that there is a door left open for future stories, wether it be by television, movie, web series, or other. Especially since Fringe is one of the most pirated, time shifted, online viewed, and DVD purchased network television programs of all-time. That usually means that there will be a very large fanbase that will exist hungry for content down the road. Netflix, Hulu and the like will be around to possibly extend the universe as well. That is something that is unique to the last few years only. Let’s keep our fingers crossed that Wyman isn’t blowing smoke up our asses and this really is the finale to end all finales! I can’t wait!

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  2. mary carr says

    I think the show will end with the scene in the park with Oliva, Peter and Etta. But this time, Etta will actually make it into Peter’s arms as the Fringe team was successful in “re-setting time.”

    If I remember correctly, Peter and Olivia were going to take Etta home that afternoon and give her a bath and the three of them will leave the park hand in hand to live happily ever after..

    I can only HOPE this is how it all ends!!!! What a heck of a ride it will be getting there!!

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    • AlyssaChey says

      we never see any episodes yet that match up to the pictures that show Peter or Olivia holding/carrying little Etta so your theory might have some merit :) That would be cool.

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    • Scott42444 says

      So, are we going to the future “Observer Time”? 2600’s? It looks like Windmark is looking out the window at a very different place than either 2030’s Boston or New York. Looking forward to it. Being able to reset time makes a lot of things easy to “undo”. But, unlike other shows that might pull it off, this show actually has a history doing similar things.

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  3. ML says

    Hey I just realized Olivia looks like Agent Dunham again with her hair up!

    Promo looks amazing. Well, except for Walter in the tank. lol

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  4. Amanda says

    I want Olivia in that tank too, not Walter, please!

    I like the idea from the park and everything going to be OK again, BUT the tank belong to Olivia!

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  5. Amanda says

    And, who wants to see Walter naked?

    I’m screaming like Robin from HIMYM in my head “It should be Olivia in that tank!”

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  6. Mandrean says

    They are going to reset time and the show will end with Olivia in the tank Season 1, episode 1.

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        mmm it may be a red herring and i hope Rick is right to i want to be totally shocked this series finale….. please no MAJOR RESET

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  7. Drenami says

    “She’s still here!! Oh, this tank was the best!” ~ Walter, Pilot episode (One of our first glimpses of truly excited and grinning Walter) No, The tank does NOT belong to Olivia – ‘She’ was always Walters baby. We were just lucky enough to have our first experience with the tank enhanced with bra and pantie alure. In the end, as well as the beginning, it is still Walter’s tank.

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    • Sam says

      The tank is Walter’s but we have we ever seen anyone else in it? GOING INTO the tank is Olivia’s thing. Her first time in the Pilot is such an iconic scene.

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  8. Todd says

    Honestly, I don’t get the criticism. I was extremely skeptical of finishing the series in the future with evil observers, and my entire summer was filled with anxiety that Joel was going to ruin this series for me. I was completely wrong – this season has been more than I could have hoped for. It’s brilliant and all the snot nosed fans that are being critical and negative need to piss off and try and enjoy the ride. Wyman has delivered, the actors have been brilliant and you guys don’t appreciate the gift we are getting by allowing this story to end right. Too many great tv shows have ended abruptly without any real answers and we have the luxury of not having to spend years asking why, why why!? Stop acting like spoiled brats and enjoy the final 3 hours of this brilliant show!

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    • Sam says

      If fans aren’t going to be critical then who else is? I thought that was a right we’ve earned for investing our time and energy into a show for 5 years. People get frustrated and rant because they care so much. Would it bother a casual viewer as much if the final season wasn’t working out for them?

      It is a real miracle we even got this 5th season, I know. But I don’t see how that means we should just be quiet and have no hopes or desires since we are the ones who made this season possible in the first place with our love and dedication. Obviously, the end simply cannot please everyone so you can’t expect every single one of us to do nothing but sing praises.

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        • shidey17 says

          haha

          I agree with most of this. I’m glad we are getting closure and I’m enjoying the ride and am really thankful for these final episodes. I agree the acting has been brilliant, but I think it’s kind of rude to call us “snot nosed fans.” I’ve been a huge supporter of Fringe over the years, but I’m gonna call bullshit on the show when I see it.

          I can still enjoy the ride, though, even when I feel the need to call bullshit on Wyman.

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      • SissySiri says

        I think DeepRunner is on to something regarding Kate . . . . . ha, ha, ha reminds me of the old days.

        I think snot nosed is a little harsh. I would add . . . Is that you Wyman?

        Ditto to shidey17!!!!!

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  9. 134sc says

    O man, maybe Im just easily pleased, but I have been pretty happy with the season so far and these last episodes have EPIC written all over them.

    Can’t wait for the next episode.

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  10. Cisco says

    Yes Finally, This is what I’ve been waiting 5 seasons for, Too See Walter Bishop in the tank! Woo hoo, it’s really happening, so looking forward too seeing that hairy chest and calvin klein underpants!!!

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  11. Gazza says

    What is this obsession with Olivia? There are 3 characters on this show and Olivia had been done to death and some. At last we have got e development to Peter and a more in depth Walter. The show is called fringe and primarily about Walter and his son time people grew up this is not the Olivia show, how many people need to be so picky and sad about the most trivial things

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    • ML says

      Look for 4 seasons Olivia was the main protagonist. People can dispute this but its a fact that she was the central protagonist for most of Fringes run. I’m not saying Walter and Peter aren’t important because obviously they are and I love them but everyone actions usually came down to how it affected Olivia. That makes someone the main protagonist. Yes, there are 3 leads but Olivia was always central to Fringe.
      So if fans want to express their disappointment in this aspect of this season we can.
      If I want to express my wearisome with Walter’s shtick this season I will. How many times can we hear about Walters hubris without it just being tiresome? I get it already.
      Anyway, without discussing spoilers I know that 512 is more Olivia focused and I’m looking forward to it. Not to say I’m not looking forward to 511 because I am. I love Fringe. It’s my favorite show but if some want to express their disappointment in aspects of it without being called names we will.

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    • Goodday says

      Yes, THIS.
      I’m starting to find it so annoying. Especially because I love Walter sooo much and, yes I’m looking forward to the answers they’re gonna provide us from that tank scene. And, no, not all the fans wanna see Olivia in the tank, I, for one don’t see any reason why she should go into the tank again.

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      • DeepRunner says

        I am inclined to agree with many in the community here that the tank IS Olive’s icon. A lot of this season, Olivia has seemed much less of a prominent soul. Having her go back in the tank would be very cool. But I also see the merit in putting Walter in the tank. It is HIS memories they are trying to access.

        Could they have done it a different way? Probably. But I am interested to see how they do this. But now that they’ve put Walter in the tank, really, they can’t put Olivia back in the tank. It would be anti-climactic, except for the theory that has been floated here that it ends with Olivia waking up in the tank, coming out of it in 1.1, as though it had all been a drug-induced dream.

        FWIW, shippers would eat up Peter putting the tabs on Olivia one. more. time. I think there is probably one more shipper-love-moment left in this show.

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        • _lost_stef_ says

          who they hell wouldn’t wanna see a sexy bamf in her underwear in water… doesnt matter if ur male or female everyone wants to see that… i dont even care if it has any significance i just want to see her in the tank

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    • QbanariK says

      I would have to disagree with you, because Fringe IS the Olivia show. To quote IMBD Fringe is “A television drama centered around a female FBI agent who is forced to work with an institutionalized scientist in order to rationalize a brewing storm of unexplained phenomena.” Centered being the key word.
      I could cite hundreds of examples why she is the main character, but just to use a simple one, see how in all promotional posters and images issued for the show, Olivia is always in the front and center. If that doesn’t scream main character, I don’t know what will.

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  12. DeepRunner says

    I’ll have a bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue timeline with Walter,
    I’ll have a bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue timeline with Olive,
    Oh the reset will work,
    we’ll beat Windmark the jerk,
    and then we’ll have a bluuuuuuuuuuuuue, blue-blue-blue timeline….

    Bring. It. On.

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  13. shawhs says

    i guess im the only one who finds cool the walter/tank thing and the fact this season no drugs and mind games with Olivia. Sometimes i wonder if some people just want Olivia in “pain” i mean “give her cortexiphan” “put her back in the tank” all these things are a torture for her and for years they played with her mind and personality and now that they moved from that and olivia finally looks herself in the mirror and knows who she is and emotionally is not afraid to reach out to people you want her to go back to the past. This is called progress and i dont think Olivia will accept the trials or herself , the issue of her not moving on from the “im an anomaly” by taking cortexiphan or going back to the tank or using her “superpowers”

    I think Walter needs to face his sins and reach the path of redemption . Besides this whole with memories is a pattern for Olivia in s1 and even Peter went in September’s mind last year now is Walter’s turn.

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    • Sam says

      It’s like Walter’s red vines, you know? Certain stuff that you sort of associate with a certain character. This season it already feels like the things that made Olivia unique have been stripped off her. I get what Walter needs to do, I just wish it didn’t involve the tank.
      And if being in pain would give her more of a damn story this season, I would be up for it.

      I see that expressing my personal opinion is getting on some people’s nerves so I won’t bother anymore.

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      • shawhs says

        i understand what you mean and i know that the thing is that they take Olivia’s “usual” things and attached them to someone else but again they don’t have her really doing anything “important” other than “talking” which makes things worst
        What Olivia really did this season? besides “talking” to a loyalist and changing his mind to become a member of a resistance? Besides “reaching out” to Peter besides “talking” again to him and got him to take the tech off? But then again Peter didn’t do anything major did he now? he stepped into his fathers shoes and almost turn himself into an observer in the road of revenge and got the tech out and that was it ….(so far)

        Im okay with Walter getting in the tank. I would be okay if he had to take cortexiphan too if that was the case. Walter needs to taste his own medicine . Even in the last episode his “nemesis” comes and goes how many times he said the word “subject” for Michael? He needs to “feel” what he did . From the trials to Peter being taken and the worlds to break and ultimately even sacrifice himself or reset time and “let go” of Peter or “saving both” .

        Im not okay with Olivia’s backstory im okay with her progress as character but still despite how strong she remains to reach out to people and be more in sense than Walter and Peter were all season i think her “journey” will find a not so full ending in her arc. Because she still thinks of herself as an anomaly but the answer is not to get her back in the tank or give her cortexiphan.

        I get what you mean by associations to a character . I do . And by full circle i could see her back in the tank but in contrast of Walter doing it im okay . But i do believe despite the lack of Olivia having something important to do the show is hinting at her all season for this to come. Now “what” that is i don’t know but i guess the show will return to Walter’s sins in the finale.
        Everything starts with him. Not Olivia. As much as i love her and i believe she is important the story starts with Walter and his “work” But i hope they will return and resolve his “trials” of cortexiphan as well because he was a part of these trials and Olivia is yet not okay with her “soldier” activation even when she had a happy family she was waiting for the call that never came…

        PS: by resolve the trials i mean in a emotional level and have the two characters deal with them and have results . Olivia dealing with her cortexiphan self and Walter dealing with what he did to her and to other kids because i didnt see that in s4 it was incomplete Walter shot Olivia to save the world and that was IT .

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        • ML says

          [B]But i hope they will return and resolve his “trials” of cortexiphan as well because he was a part of these trials and Olivia is yet not okay with her “soldier” activation even when she had a happy family she was waiting for the call that never came[/B]

          Well said. That’s why I said earlier they are running out of time to bring conclusion to some of Olivia’s arc. She said this quote in 503. In 509 she calls herself an anomaly.
          I would like to see this issue addressed with Olivia.

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      • Red Balloon says

        Next we’ll be watching Olivia calling Astrid, Astro or Sweat-hart…Peter wearing a flat cap and Walter flashing an FBI’s badge…LOL

        But seriously, they could’ve skipped the tank to this purpose of Walter’s consciousness, I’m sure they could’ve think of something else rather than that iconic image of Olivia. It’s like putting Walter in the BBM … I mean, WTH!!, it annoys me and there’s nothing to avoid that feeling…period.

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        • Ambered says

          I agree with you on this. It’s not far-fetched that they would use this contraption again to retrieve the memories, a continuation of callbacks from previous seasons but it’s just that this is Olivia’s thing. The bra and panties tank with Olivia is etched in my memory of Fringe. By Jan 11 it will be tainted with Walter’s. Lol.

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    • Amanda says

      We are just having fun with all of that talk of Olivia in the tank.

      And yes, for a change is nice to see Walter been the guinea pig.

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      • shawhs says

        i know naked walter vs naked olivia? the question doesnt even need answer (lol) i hate to be party pooper i apologise

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    • shidey17 says

      I think it’s just that we want to see Olivia in her bra and panties.

      Oh wait….that might just be me…

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        @shidey not just u… and yes i want to see her in the tank in her bra and panties because she has a smoking body anybody can appreciate… male female gay straight.

        of course i dont want her in pain but the fandom is pain that they bring back the tank and dont put Olivia in it

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  14. kate says

    the hero have to suffer, that’s brings tension to the story,, the third season was brilliant and enjoyable to watch because Olivia was suffering, she was arrested and tortured and betrayed, it was very exciting

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      • says

        I can usually spot her, I don’t think this is Ms Pa-tt-y.

        This is just a commentary on the great acting of Anna Torv in season 3 playing a very tortured Olivia. I don’t think this person was relishing the thought of torturing Olivia like P-A-TT-Y would.

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  15. DeepRunner says

    Here is a question for you all: If a reset, does that mean we will see…PURPLE-LINCOLN????????

    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo…………….

    But if we do…then there is a chance that the reset will jog the Faux O’s memories…which means she will tell Lincoln…which means we WILL see him end up muttering to himself…Oh that would be a GREAT Fringemas present…

    On the flip side, maybe in a reset we get to see AltLincoln…and Charlie Francis…THAT would be cool, a sort of curtain call for all the characters we have really enjoyed.

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  16. TFT says

    We might get a glimpse or two from the future Observer world. Look at the start of the promo. Windmark looks outside a windows, the buildings are futuristic with blue lights, and the air is dark green, polluted.

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      • shidey17 says

        I reminds me of some of the later Tyrants from the Resident Evil games. Very scary when something comes out of a vertical incubation chamber and starts its walk toward you…

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      • Scott42444 says

        HAHAHAHA. I couldn’t stop laughing at it. That should be Windmark’s bosses voice. Just that friggin’ voice. We wouldn’t have any idea what he is saying, but it would be scary none the less.

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  17. 134sc says

    I don’t mean to offend anybody and this is totally my opinion but, I think this “Walter can’t go into the tank” thing is ridiculous. If he needs to go in, then he needs to go in. The only downside is that we won’t get to see Anna Torv half naked in water, but that has absolutley nothing to do with the show.

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    • Red Balloon says

      It’s not ridiculous and has everything to do with the show because for me it’s not only the bra and panties tank, but the notion that Olivia has some involvement in the “imagination” theme of the show. That’s how it started, with her crossing between the universes naturally, and the encounter with Peter in that beautiful tulips scene where they lead us to believe it was Olive doing that snow. I always thought perhaps Olive was imagining-making things happening. The tank’s poster is iconic to that theory, so there’s no need to put Walter in it. He has enough inventions to do the mind trip.

      On the other hand, I’m just having fun, and I just hope it really isn’t a big fail.

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      • Ian S. says

        Yes because they’re just putting Walter in thank as a love letter to the fans that have missed Olivia in the tank. He’s going in the tank for a REASON, and if Olivia could perform that function I’m sure she’d be the one going in!

        By the looks of it, they need to go into Walter’s memories. Okay, let’s just put Olivia in the tank to go into Walter’s memories to see Donald. Oh wait that doesn’t make sense…

        Yeah yeah it’s sentimental, we get it, do you want sentimental Olivia moments or do you want answers?

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        • Red Balloon says

          Can’t Wyman do both? As I said, that’s not the only way Walter could go into his mind. I feel this season they’ve been gently slapping Olvia’s fans without getting too much attention to it, but now, after 10 episodes it really feels more like a fist. I was kind of kidding with this, but now that you guys have taken it so seriously, then I’m also getting affected. I’ll just drop the topic until I see it for myself…how it plays out, but to be honest, it’s kind of scary what my reaction would be. I could even dismissed the entire season if it turns out to be a joke on behalf of Olivia’s character.

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          • ML says

            Anytime you ask Wyman on twitter about when is Olivia going to do something again he says “hang in there.” He also said her fans are going to be “very very happy” with what’s coming.
            So it looks like they are saving it for the finale.

            I don’t think Wyman is meaning to disrespect fans. I just think in a shortened final season he decided that he wanted the 3 characters to be in focus whereas in the previous 4 seasons it was Olivia who got the majority of the focus. I don’t have a problem with the 3 characters getting focus because I love all of them(I just love Olivia the most) but Olivia’s struggle this season has been too much of a inner struggle. Basically Wyman took away what made Fringe unique in having a female character who was the hero. Olivia’s spent too much of the season just being the wife/mother.

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            • Red Balloon says

              That’s what I’m afraid for, that he decided on “basic” Olivia, so I’m not trusting his “very happy” resolution of the character. He’s going “normal” on her and that would be lame for me, given that the main reason I became a fan was because of her extraordinary and suspenseful unique characteristics, and now he’s taking away what made her unique in the first place. No mysteries around her. How he’s been handling the observers, haven’t fully created the atmospheric tension that parallel worlds did once. This is not what I expected for the finale, and I’m just hanging in there to know what’s next. I’m enjoying your theories, and the performances, but for me this season it’s definitely not the top of Fringe. I’ll wait and see and give my honest opinion about each episode with an opened mind and lightly about what’s been bothering me, giving 9 and 9.5, but keeping in mind that if at the end it doesn’t add for me…it will be catastrophic failure despite its intention.

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            • Purple faces says

              And you would be just fine if Peter spent the whole season being the boring old husband/father and doing nothing.

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                • DeepRunner says

                  Beyond that, Señor Rick, this person signs off as “Purple Faces.”

                  Lincoln, is that you? Ain’t no purple in the Blue Timeline. :)

                  All (almost joking) aside, I have seen this person’s sentiments (or someone quite similar) on other sites (or some variation on the same theme). The person who is “Purple Faces” appears to be in a Purple-Passion rage over someone other than Joshua Jackson being recognized. Similar for people who get uptight if someone other than Anna Torv gets a nod for good acting.

                  It’s just math, and we’re better at it here:

                  Anna Torv + Joshua Jackson + John Noble = The Big Three

                  ‘Nuff said.

                  ;-)

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  18. Fringeyeahbaby! says

    this kinda doesnt make sense. the reason for thm doing this is the observers and so how can they get rid of the observers if that would meen they dont have a reason to do this in the first place?

    isnt that a paradox?

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  19. Red Balloon says

    Roco just published a breakdown in Seriable :D

    “FRINGE: 5.11 The Boy Must Live BREAKDOWN”

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  20. willg says

    I am a little worried about the time reset. Alot of these deaths this season were very tragic but I think a reset would render them pointless and meaningless if they just come back from the dead like many seasons before.

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  21. Gazza says

    First off ML name calling?? Second I have no issue with olivia’s story just people going on about it. Plus if you are bored of what Walter is doing this season than people like me are most certainly of Olivia 2 facial expressions regardless of what the situation, just thankful for the break from the cringeness, but that just being picky which is my point. Olivia has been a main character but the story originates from a man crossing over and saving his son, Olivia is an after thought. The writers and actor have taken the character as far as they can with dragging it, will they won’t they be together, cortexiphan, heroine in distress Ye ye ye we get it etc etc. Walter got nowhere near enough screen time last season and he is the best character and actor on the show. But at the end of the day it seems some are more concerned about what actors get the most attention, surely the point is telling the good story. Not sure if it is just me but without all of Olivia’s issues the story and development have excelled and are off the scale.

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    • FringeFans says

      Follow you own advice Gazza. Time to grow up. You don’t have to be so picky and sad about the most trivial things.

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  22. Gazza says

    Fringe telling its story as the most important aspect of the show instead of people unhappy about whose underwear they get to see in the tank, trivial?we should be talking about how this trial makes the next episode look.

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    • ML says

      It has nothing to do with seeing Olivia in swimwear. I think most here were making a joke. If you missed that then I don’t know what to say.
      Anyone who thinks they have taken Olivia has far as they can go? Well, we just disagree on everything.

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    • @gazza says

      In case you missed it,people are not complaining about whose underwear they are going to see.They talk about the show and they entitled to their opinion.It may be different from yours, but they can debate without being disrespectful.Just my two cents.

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  23. Oliver says

    Wouldn’t it be nice if the reset time thing led directly to the Etta scene in the park AND to 6×01? Well I can dream too ;-)

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  24. says

    Quick thought . . . Peter is still the “Boy”. Remember, Michael isn’t really a boy per Windmark. I’ve been doing a lot of re-watching pass episodes and think I’m coming up with a potential ending. Probably totally wrong, but this is a fun exercise to do during the hiatus.

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  25. Ian S. says

    Not to sound harsh, but all these negative comments about Walter in the tank are stupid. What is the tank used for? To go into someone’s subconscious and pull out memories. Who had their brains scrambled and knows the plan in his subconscious? Walter!

    If the characters were as nostalgic on the show as some of the people on this comment section are they would never defeat the Observers. Walter needs to go in the tank, and actually it feels neat having Olivia put him in it now, kind of showing how far they’ve come, it’s a circular motion.

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        • Goodday says

          LOL true. I mean,They maybe making it look like they’re joking, but, come on, let’s be honest, some Fringe fans are watching the show just for Olivia’s bra and panties.
          Well, reading some other comments, at least I know that I’m not the only one looking forward to seeing the tank scene and what answers it’s gonna give us.

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          • ML says

            wasn’t it a swimsuit and not a bra and panties :)

            Besides we’ve seen Olivia more in her buttoned up FBI suit then we’ve seen anything else so I’m sure people people like Olivia for more than how she looks in her underwear. lol

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    • _lost_stef_ says

      CHILLAX IAN i was joking like i said i wanna see ANNA TORV IN HER BRA AND PANTIES thats why im making this fuss… atm i dont care if its plot development i just want to see her in the tank for the above reasons lol :D

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      • Ian S. says

        Nah don’t worry I knew you were too! A few people weren’t that’s all. I’d love to see her in bra and panties as well don’t get me wrong though!

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  26. ML says

    Regarding Olivia mentioning the time reset.
    Now that we know Peter and Olivia are aware of the plan and that they are aware that it involved time travel.

    They will be fighting to get Etta back.

    That is so awesome

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    • FringePhile says

      That would be so awesome! And it might even give Olive a chance to accept her powers/abilities and finally realize she CAN be a mother.

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      • ML says

        Oh I love that! Maybe this is the way we will see Olivia accept her abilities.
        I’m pretty sure we’ll see her use them again before the series ends. I think. I hope!

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  27. Jas Friedman says

    Sorry if this is said already (my thoughts, all over the place):
    1) It is all September’s fault. He was the one who prevented Walternate to cure his son. But to correct this mistake, Walter crossed universes to save Peter. The boy must live. Technically, Fringe is all about Peter, Walter and Olivia. All three.
    2) But Walter caused cracks in the universes: Fringe events
    3) William Bell (if Peter had existed) was an ally to Walter, but when Peter was erased, David Robert Jones worked for Bell and it was Bell who wanted to created a new universe.
    4) September said Peter must exist maybe so that Etta can exist. If Love is the main theme, then her death means something important: Peter’s and Olivia’s love for Etta
    5) But remember that Peter was meant to be erased (orders from the other Observers). But September disobeyed orders and let Peter continue to exist.
    6)If Time is reset, does that mean September’s mistake is corrected? Somehow September will not interrupt Walternate? Which means everything that has happened on Fringe has not happened?
    7)The Observers became “evil” because they destroyed Earth. Only then did Observers travelled back in time and conquer Earth. Before Observers were neutral, only watching important events.
    8) Maybe September saw a better future, when he saw Etta’s death. Etta’s death means Peter and Olivia will find revenge and defeat the observers.
    9) Did we know Observers were evil? Was Olivia subjected to Cortexiphan because Bell/Bishop know about the upcoming war with the Observers?

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    • Jas Friedman says

      The anomaly is Michael, the observer child. An empath. So maybe he is the solution by him being the father of new human Observers? The growth chamber will accelerate his growth and he will become a father of new type observers?? The only way this future can happen is if Peter is alive in the timeline…???

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  28. Fringeyeahbaby! says

    also time shouldnt be able to be reset as the observers are already ehre and so hpow can the resistance fix the future if the observers are still here!?!?

    time travel in fringe doesnt make any sense!!

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    • says

      “Fringe time-travel rules 101″

      One can travel back to the past and change something, but in doing so a new timeline forms, and the old known timeline is rewritten at the point if Divergence. Example September not saving Peter = Blue timeline becomes Amber timeline.

      Also certain meddling results in timeloops Example time-traveling September distracting Walternate as he finds the cure + allowing Red Peter to live in the Blue universe = future inter-universal war that results in Peter going into the machine to destroy the Redverse and in doing so eventually destroying the Blueverse too, but before the end Peter Walter Astrid and Ella send the machine back to the past closing the loop. (corrupted timeline that needed to be reset so that the Observers could invade.)

      We also saw in White tulip, another small scale version of timeline rewriting. Every time the guy reset the timeline, the Fringe team was none the wiser, well until they figured out that the guy was resetting the timeline.

      “And Those We Left Behind” Another time loop of sorts with a resetting of time every 47 minutes for 4 years. But this time it is contained to a single location, well until it isn’t. Anyway each resetting of the timeloop has similar interactions between The husband and wife, except in each one he has 47 more minutes of the formula worked out from the previous iteration, so the timeline for 47 minutes is overwritten with each iteration of the loop.

      Time-travel on Fringe is consistent throughout the entire show. You just have to pay attention to it.

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      • Fringe-o says

        thats a timetraveller rule – only the observers would experience that, not the resistance.

        Fringeyeahbaby is right as the resistance cant travel through time like the observers, and so the “amber” people can never be saved from this fate, only another timeline can (which again there is no point in doing as that universe or universes would already exist)

        the amber people cant save themsevles because this is already happened

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      • Fringeyeahbaby! says

        but how can a paradox esixt then if timelines can keep being rewritten? why dont the observers just rewrite everything again?

        oh and the observers already were here in the blue and red universes before they rewrote everuthing so doesnt that already mean that their future was toxic? also why was olivia in all of the machine drawings in season 3 if peter not existing was a mistake and then why were they both there after peter vanished? doesnt make sense to me why the observers are always there no matter what happens

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        • says

          “Fringe time-travel rules 101 part 2″

          The future is fluid.
          ” There are things that I know. But there are things that I do not. Various possible futures are happening simultaneously. I can tell you all of them, but I cannot tell you which one of them will come to pass” Quote September “The Firefly”
          So according to this there are all kinds of possible futures that have yet to collapse into one single timeline. This means it is possible for the Observers to exist in their future until a set of probabilities collapse into one that they don’t exist.

          Also we have the many worlds interpretation at work in Fringe too.
          ” One minute will explain. (rolls out a chalkboard) Most of us experience life as a – a linear progression just like this. (draws a horizontal line) But this is an illusion because every day, life presents us with an array of choices. As a result, life should look more like this. (draws diagonal branches from the first line) And each choice… leads to a new path. To go to work. To stay home. And each choice we take creates a new reality. Do — do you understand?” Walter Bishop in the lab episode “The Road Not Taken”
          This explains how other universes/realities occur, but this also explains how possible futures spring up in a given fluid timeline. In my former paragraph The various futures that September were talking about are the alternate realities Walter is talking about here. Unfortunately at this point in the show, Fringe had not honed its own rules of time-travel and the wording used here is somewhat inaccurate to what we know. I believe they should have had Walter say possible realities versus just realities. But he was mostly talking about birthing alternate universes.

          This brings us to the problem of the difference between alternate timelines/realities, and alternate universes.

          It seems that Fringe uses these terms interchangeably sometimes.
          But the way it seems is that it is rare for an uncollapsed Alternate reality/Timeline (AKA a road not taken) to form an entire alternate universe, such as the Red/Blue set.

          Which brings me to Parallel universes. We know that in Fringe there is an alternate universe that is quantitatively entangled to ours, this is one of those rare events wherein a road not taken becomes a new universe. (I suspect time-travel to be responsible for this rarity.) In other words due to time-travel, and thus paradoxes both sets of probabilities beyond the unknown divergence have collapsed into two separate but equally fluid realities that are running on top of each other.

          Think of it like this:

          Universe 1: timeline 1, color coded blue (this universe was trapped in a perpetual time-loop until Peter made a decision to bridge the universes)
          Universe 1: Timeline 2 color coded Amber (This timeline replaces the blue timeline due to an outside force causing a rewrite. That being September changing the past via his time-travel, after Peter made the decision to bridge the universes)

          Universe 2: timeline Red [1] (a divergence in the original universe millions of years in the past created a new set of probabilities that collapsed into a fluid reality forming this universe and timeline. [I believe this divergence had something to do with Peter taking the pieces of the machine through the wormhole into the paleolithic period] This divergence coupled with the happenings of Blue Walter kidnapping Red Peter and September saving them created a war between this universe and its parallel, that resulted in a timeloop that always ends with the BBM being turned on in every iteration, and eventual death of this universe, until Peter bridged the universes in the final iteration)

          Universe 2:Timeline [2] Also coded Red.
          This timeline had all the same sets of probabilities as the above timeline did until September failed to save Peter in the Blue universe effectively making sure Walternate never started a war since he never saw Blue Olivia appear in his office to tell him Peter was in the other universe.

          So to sum up:
          Timelines are fluid within universes. The future is always changing, but many exist until one set of probabilities decide to collapse into a set present. To answer your question this is how the Observers exist.

          Universes can have their known timelines rewritten within them if a time-traveler changes the past of a realized timeline. This is how paradoxes are corrected inside a given universe.

          To answer your other point that “only the Amber people can be saved” That is not the accurate way to look at it. The amber people are physically the same people as the blue people, it is more accurate to think of it as the blue history, and the amber history of the universe 1 people. It seems that if the plan is to reset time, then these Universe 1 people with the amber history are prepared to not ever know what happened in this timeline if it works.

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  29. Fringefan says

    thats a timetraveller rule – only the observers would experience that, not the resistance.

    Fringeyeahbaby is right as the resistance cant travel through time like the observers, and so the “amber” people can never be saved from this fate, only another timeline can (which again there is no point in doing as that universe or universes would already exist)

    the amber people cant save themsevles because this is already happened

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    • says

      I also must point out the painfully obvious fact that Fringefan, Fringe-o, and Fringyeahbaby are the same person (notice that the avatars are the same). So by replying to your own comment with a different name you come off as a bit of a crazy person, thus your comments are irrelevant to the discussion. Please feel free to learn the wonders of time-travel on Fringe though, and PAY ATTENTION.

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      • Scott42444 says

        Ha, I feel like I am watching the Gollum scene in Lord of the Rings where he is talking to himself, precious. Weird. He must have planned out the responses too because they were all done within 1 minute.

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        • says

          Yeah, I actually hadn’t noticed that to be honest until now. LOL!

          I just noticed the email-assigned avatar repeating, plus the consistency of grammatical and punctuation errors evident in each post not to mention the lack of creativity in naming his/herself. But the time stamp makes it all the more hilarious. This fool just tainted any and all future comments they plan to make.

          (Note to fringeyeahbaby: get a new email address, and username if you want to try to be taken seriously here anymore.)

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  30. EE says

    I think the problem with the Walter-in-the-tank is that it’s just one more(or too many) reminder of Olivia’s “absence” this season.
    I mean,next thing and we’ll have Olivia left with the task of de-ambering the lab :P
    Joke’s aside I still trust the show and don’t think it will end with something as “simple” as an other time reset,especially that it was said in the promo.

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    • Purple faces says

      I suppose you would be just fine if it was Peter, walter and Astrid in that lab being USELESS, deambering that lab. I mean HEAVEN FORBID, Peter, Walter and Astrid do something.

      Oh btw, don’t complain about Walter taking the tank away from Olivia when Olivia took peter’s UNIQUE storyline with the machine away from him. She got all the credit by using her stupid powers.

      Hypocrites.

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  31. Jas Friedman says

    1) I was rewatching Inner Child. I noticed Michael’s reaction to the CIA guy from the Directorate of Science and Technology. Michael seemed disgusted/hatred or angry at him. The CIA was interested in him because he survived for years without proper oxygen, food, etc. My thoughts: do these observer children grow up to resent humanity? Because they were treated as “animals”?

    2) So I assume there are more of these observer “children”, sent back from the future. Windmark mentioned they were anomalies. Someone sent these observer children back in time. But why?

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  32. Jas Friedman says

    “Still wonder how do you suppose P/O were meant to be together if Peter is from the red verse and Liv from Blue? Are we to assume Liv would have crossed over anyway?”

    Interesting. It must be due to Cortexiphan. Bell and Walter would still have experimented on children. So I am guessing Olivia would have crossed over somehow and brought Peter to the Blueverse. But Peter should have been erased, yes? The observers did not want Peter to exist and it was September who disobeyed.

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  33. Jas Friedman says

    Has anyone re watched The Road Not Taken? The conspiracy guy was right. The Romulans from the future were renegade criminals and Bell was preparing soldiers against them.

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    • ML says

      Yeah I remember that crazy guy. Seems he was right after all. I don’t know if the writers had planned the Observer take over in S1 but scenes like that makes you think so.
      There’s also the very last scene in s2ep3’s Fracture

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  34. Jas Friedman says

    I am rewatching all the episodes from seasons 1-4 but yielded no more thoughts on the plan to defeat the Observers. I am intrigued as to what they will do the electromagnet, red stones, two cylinders, Michael. Is that all they have?

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    • says

      I think they will use the stones to power the device that Walter was said to be working on in 4×19, that device will incorporate the electromagnet to either broadcast an energy to disable the cortical implants, or to facilitate enough energy for time-travel,black holes, wormholes etc…

      The cylinders are to be used as markers for location in space-time to lock the observers out of the universe.

      I believe Michael will be grown-up (5×11 promo) and used to infiltrate the Observers base of operations. Maybe he will be used to gain access to some sort of main tech, or maybe to get close to a certain Observer boss (like Windmark)

      These are my best guesses based on what i have watched.

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      • Jas Friedman says

        Nice prediction. :-)

        Yes I think the plan will begin to take form next episode, as the promo suggests. One reason why they are showing the future is perhaps showing how it will be affected.

        Yeah, perhaps they will go forward in time, knock out the cortical implants (sounds like from Star Trek, lol). Yes, Michael will probably be a grown up.

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