FRINGE: 5.10 Anomaly XB-6783746

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As the countdown to the climactic series finale continues, the Fringe team is running out of time to save the world.

As Peter, Olivia, Astrid and Walter scramble to tap into a key piece of the puzzle to defeat the Observers, they enlist the aid of Nina Sharp who conjures up a plan on an all-new “Anomaly XB-6783746″

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  1. shidey17 says

    I think I’m actually enjoying the subtle callbacks to the first season more than the obvious ones.

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    • Bottger says

      My thoughts exactly. When the observers read the window to hear what Nina said on the phone, I was reminded of “the road not taken” when peter did (pretty much) the same thing. I love these little callbacks. This is proof that this season is for us. The TRUE fans. Casual watchers would say, “oh that was interesting they read the glass” but us true fans are like “HOLY SHIT I REMEMBER THAT!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHH!!!!!!”

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      • shidey17 says

        Totally agree. I thought it was awesome too that Peter did it with just a few random pieces of tech and it took the Observers some fancy 2036 tech to do it.

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  2. willg says

    So Donald is September with hair and a smile. That was sort expected but still satisfying. Can’t wait for the final two days.

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    • Dan S. says

      I think it may go down like this…
      Time will be reset in that Walter will convince September that
      his own hubris of crossing over to take Peter was wrong.
      This brings Walter’s character arc complete as Nina can no longer put his brain back to the “nice guy” state- and he has
      to overcome this on his own and choose morality (think Wizard of Oz on many levels- scarecrow, no place like home, did it happen…). In essence, Walter convincing September not to travel back to save them- will leave Peter in his original universe, undoing all of the events of the entire series.
      Peter may not be able to live from the beginning in order to save the world.
      Remember, this is where the tentative ending was going before they green lit a season 5- Peter never having existed.

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      • ML says

        All season we’ve seen Olivia and Walter talk about not losing Peter.
        Maybe the end will be whether Peter should exist.
        I can’t see the show ending without Olivia and Peter together so I’m guessing that somehow Walter sacrifices himself so that Peter can exist.

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  3. LastManInSpace says

    As sad as I am that Nina is gone, that whole scene was excellently done. That speech she gave Windmark was aces.

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    • says

      In honor of our most “bad-ass” leading lady of Massive Dynamic – Ms. Nina Sharp, her strong will and her “kick-ass” attitude towards Windmark, here is the best departing speech (lecture) for all Observers to hear.

      “Do you know why you tilt your head in that way? It’s an involuntary reflex in your physiology. It changes the angle at which sound waves hit the eardrum, allowing in more stimuli, like a lizard. I’ve studied them too, intriguing characters, their brains have evolved over 320 million years, yet for all their evolution, they form no bonds. Love does not exist for them. They are incapable of dreaming, of contemplating beauty, of knowing something greater than themselves, not unlike your kind. The experiments we conducted right here in this lab, yielded a surprising result, because for all your years of evolution, you inadvertently redeveloped and honed primitive instincts that we moved beyond long ago. So in reality, you’re the animal.”

      A toast to Ms. Nina Sharp! We will MISS you dearly!

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  4. DavidF says

    That was an amazing episode.The September reveal caught me off guard. I can’t believe a TV show can leave me so emotionally drained.

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      • SissySiri says

        This episode made up for last week, it was excellent IMO.

        Nina was a hero, she sacrificed herself to save the others. I wonder if Michael, when he touched Nina let her know that she would have an afterlife? I sort of thought that when she said, “My God.” She saw something that we can only guess. It was so sad to see Walters reaction to her death. And Peter had to be the rock, and the way he was touching Olivia and Walter to transfer his strength to them. The acting tonight was superb.

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        • says

          I had the same thought regarding Nina’s face being touched, but now I just wonder if he showed her what he revealed to Walter and us. The little guy is shaping up to be the Desmond of Fringe.

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        • a says

          perhaps michael showed her that the team will survive if only she killed herself?

          as in since michael is an observer, i guess that he could see into the future and predict the timeline…

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          • Scott42444 says

            I think that it IS something like that. I think he showed not only that but the reset timeline like with Walter AND the future, of the reset timeline and how the whole Observer future will not happen (and she won’t be dead by self inflicted gunshot wound). That would give me the confidence to “do what needed to be done”, as it were.

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  5. RKron says

    The dread started as soon as the Fringe team left Nina alone. I knew it was the end for her, but dammit, I wasn’t prepared. At least Blair delivered the bamfiest speech before it. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to sit in the corner and act moody for the rest of the night.

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  6. QbanariK says

    Walter’s reaction broke my heart, excellent acting. Olivia on the other hand was almost emotionless; I was expecting to see a little bit more grief on her face. I know she doesn’t remember Nina raising her but still, she was part of the team for many years.

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    • says

      Looked like she was in shock to me. Shocked is a major emotion.

      Honestly she had that subtle look of shock, mixed with disbelief, mixed with denial, mixed with heartbreak, and reserved acceptance of what the job at hand entails.

      Plus she couldn’t watch the surveillance footage, so there is that too.

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      • QbanariK says

        True…but I was just pissed that even poker-face Michael showed more emotion than the girl of the group. I guess that’s what her character is…BAMF to the bone :D

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          • QbanariK says

            I wasn’t expecting a breakdown at all..but you know..maybe a run to her side, gasping for words that won’t come out, with moist eyes… She’s been through a lot with the loss of her Etta, another blow close to home doesn’t make it any easier.
            Oh well, no big deal, I’m over it already.
            Poor Ninakins, I will sure miss her :(

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            • Amanda says

              On the contrary, because of ther emotional state she is denying her emotions to go too far, like Rick Terry said, she was in shock, and she have been locking her emotions to not break… Olivia face was at the perfect point to me.

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              • QbanariK says

                That can’t be healthy..Luckly for her they’re resetting the timeline yet again, so her denial will work for her after all when Etta and Nina come back.
                I’m heartbroken for her, Peter and Walter; so much loss and pain…</3

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                • _lost_stef_ says

                  when are people going to realise that is how Olivia processes death…. doesn’t make her an emotionless zombie… she had plenty of emotion on her face for me…. Rick u said it perfectly.

                  this blogg should be called everyonehateonoliviadunhambecausesheisabamfanddoesntssobandcryevery5mins

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                  • QbanariK says

                    I would like to clarify one thing: I am NOT hating on Olivia, so clearly I’m not part of that “everybody” category you are referring to.
                    I am convinced Anna T. is more than capable of delivering excellent acting, so no need to come in her defense. It’s the writing and directing of some scenes that I have a problem with; it’s not the actor’s fault.
                    BTW, this is not how she processes death, at least not the Olivia from the beginning of the series. Watch “Pilot”, towards the end when John Scott dies she has (gasp!) a breakdown..right at the scene.
                    After she kills shapeshifter Charlie in “Momentum Deferred” she looked shaken while talking to Broyles and teary eyed after realizing her partner was long gone. That was the reaction I was expecting this time.
                    I realize the writers/directors have changed throughout the series and it has affected the characters’ consistency of actions and reactions. That was the main point I was trying to make all along.

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              • ML says

                Olivia had tears in her eyes. Go to tumblir and you can see the pics.
                Why is it because Oilvia’s a woman that she needs to break down in fits like Walter?
                Walter has always been the more emotional person.

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                • QbanariK says

                  Not necessarily because she’s a woman, just that her season 1 character was not like this; and I agree that Walter has always been the more emotional of the three. She was never at his level, nor I want her to be. But I just watched the whole thing again and did not see teary eyes.
                  Again, this is a matter of personal opinion and I’m not disrespecting the opinions of those who do not agree with me, so I expect the same from the others. All I’m saying is that for me the scene would have delivered a more emotional punch if Olivia had (for example) watery eyes when she raised her head from Nina’s body, given that this was the same person she greeted with a warm kiss at their reunion.

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                  • says

                    Jeeze. Ok she wasn’t emotional enough for you. We get it. but to say she wasn’t emotional enough for her character….ehhhh wrong.

                    Olivia is a shell of her former self considering all the crap she’s been through. I find it amazing that she doesn’t just go postal on someone (I’m looking at you Walter).

                    She has been pushed to the point of near catatonia in her emotions. It’s not that they aren’t there, they are just so there that she cannot express them in the normal way. She’s almost a basketcase. But she is doing her best to hold it together so they can do this thing.

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                    • ML says

                      Oh I would love for her to go postal on Walter. :)

                      Olivia has been very emotionally open with Peter when she fought not to lose him again but I get what you’re saying about her being a shell of her former self.

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                    • QbanariK says

                      I agree with you about her being a shell of what she was, but if that is what it boils down to, then is safe for me to say that I don’t like much what they’ve been doing to her character lately. I feel her fire has been put out little by little from not having enough screen time to watering down her personality. Yes, she has had her moments here and there this season, but I miss the REAL Dunhamator and she’s been like this even before losing Etta.

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                    • _lost_stef_ says

                      hehe i was being a P-A-T-T-Y with my comments i couldn’t honestly care less if certain ppl want to bag Olivia her true lovers out there know she is awesome and know how great Anna Torv is playing the character.

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                    • QbanariK says

                      I’m not sure about who’s bagging Olivia/A.T. I haven’t seen anyone doing that yet.
                      Just curious, what is a P-A-T-T-Y?

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                    • says

                      @QbanariK:

                      You don’t get it. Her character has not changed. Circumstances around her that she has no control over have changed. In the past if someone died it was a very rare thing. In this bleak future it is almost a daily occurance. There is a time for mourning and a time to get moving. She is used to living like this now. She is totally in character.

                      She is not an FBI agent anymore, she only has her husband and father in law, and friend Astrid to back her up. Well and a handful of resistance operatives Broyles included.

                      Point is she doesn’t have her government backing up her decisions anymore, and many of the things they do on a daily basis are live or die operations.

                      This is a woman who has the weight of the world on her shoulders and keeps getting served a pile of steaming crap for dinner. She, being the strong woman she always has been, is holding it altogether so as not to self destruct. Watch the scene between her and Peter in 5×03 again. She tells us what is going on in her head in that scene.

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                    • QbanariK says

                      Well that makes more sense and it can work for me. I appreciate you taking the time to explain that a lot more than the bunch of “oemgee O/A.T. is amazing because she is” reactions that don’t take anybody anywhere.

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                    • says

                      @ QbanariK:

                      No problem.

                      I just want to let you in on the whole P-A-T-T-Y thing.

                      It’s a running joke around here because there is this internet troll who frequents all the Fringe blogs around the internet. She goes by many a name, but she once used the name P-A-T-T-Y here for a long time. No one likes her, and she make crazy claims that everyone hate Josh Jackson here. So sometimes we do P-A-T-T-Y jokes. _lost_stef was just doing one of these jokes, I did one the other day about Walter on the Fringie of the week post from last week’s episode. You’ll learn we are all mostly jokesters around here, and rarely do we ever take ourselves seriously. That said one thing we all do take seriously is Fringe.

                      Welcome to the inside joke. :D

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                    • QbanariK says

                      Oh! LOL Ok, thanks for letting me in on that. I thought for a moment it was an acronym or something. It’s now funny giving that context. :)

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  7. says

    I think Olivia is simply in shock. It has to be incredibly hard to see your child die and now the woman that raised you (I know, I know in another timeline). Damn, they’d have to take me out on a stretcher. I agree that I really liked Peter this episode. I think he and Olivia work well together.

    What a fantastic episode. I loved every scene–from the lab to the storage area to the final scene in the lab when Donald is revealed. I must say I was totally caught off guard when Nina took the bullet. A great heroic end for the lady in Black. Now, what’s going to happen to Broyles? Who will be left.

    Does anyone know who the ‘boy’ is — ‘the boy must live.’ Is it Peter or is it Michael? Is Michael a young September? Is September dead? This is crazy! I can’t wait three damn weeks. The cast was right, the final is going to be incredible!!!!

    10/10 without question.

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    • says

      in the episode “peter” september says “the boy is important. he must live.” to walter (regarding peter.) i’m guessing this is a paraphrasing of this quote.

      in 4.19 walter says “They weren’t all bad, you know. One of them even tried to help us. He was called September. What happened to him was… well, unexpected.”

      it’s weird to think how at the beginning of the season walter was fully cognizant of the plan. i constantly forget that he knew all the answers we’ve spent the season trying to find.

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  8. ML says

    Pretty strong ep though I do think more could have happened in the first 30 minutes or so.
    It’s hard for me to be impartial when I’m watching Fringe these days because I’ve been so upset with the lack of an Olivia story that I find myself hoping for something to happen with her. So its not the best way to appreciate an episode.
    Loved all the stuff with Olivia and Peter in this ep. I just like watching them work together.

    Anyway, the ending was amazing. I was with those who predicted that Donald would be September but the way they revealed it was excellently done. Credit to Fringe for that.

    Blair Brown was terrific. I’m still tired of Walter and his brain stuff but that’s me.
    Loved the little moment when Olivia and Peter remembered Etta. Loved all the scenes with the boy. He’s just so intriguing.

    Can’t wait to see where this all leads. Is the boy or is it Peter that is important. Great stuff.

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  9. Scott42444 says

    Well, you guys called it. Donald is September. I was hoping it wasn’t, and it looked to me like a young William Bell, but this DOES make sense. Especially with the heavy handed speech about love that Nina gave before cleaning her ears out. The fact that September becomes “human” would explain quite a bit about his connection to the human race.

    Also, I LOVE the fact that Walter got to see the REAL timeline. I didn’t notice it at first but it ALWAYS bothered me that Walter didn’t remember all the good times that he and Peter had in the blue universe/timeline. It appears that September IS the child “Michael” and they will age him quickly to get grown, Observer September back. At least, that is my terrible guess based on the preview for “The Boy Must Live”. I enjoyed this episode a lot. It feels like we have a focused sprint to the finish ahead of us and it started tonight! Go Fringe! Make my jaw hit the floor! Please!

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    • says

      I saw the promo too, but the Observer metamorphosis tank Observer guy (Don’t know what else to call him LOL) did not look like September to me, well other than the whole bald no eyebrows thing. Ha ha! Was that supposed to be the child aged, or was it another child being incubated?

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        • says

          Windmark already exists, unless you are saying this is a flashback to when Windmark was birthed. At any rate, I think the tank Observer is Michael being grown-up so as to blend in with the rest of them for infiltration. I DON’T think he’s September or Windmark, or anyone else but Michael.

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          • Scott42444 says

            That is my guess, that it is Michael getting all grown up. So, I am embarassed to make any more guesses but IS THAT what they need to 2 observer beacons for? They now have 2 “observers” in their employ.

            But, it appears that they go to the Observer future according to the preview. It looks like Windmark is looking out the window to someplace that IS NOT 2030’s New York/Boston. Do they send P & O there to stop this all for good?

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            • says

              Yeah it looks like 2609 to me. Whether the team goes or just Windmark, or whether it is a flashback for Windmark remains to be seen. But I believe we will get to see the bleak 2609 future.

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      • Scott42444 says

        You are right. I FINALLY stopped the video at the right spot. Jesus, it took me like 20 minutes to get it right because my left mouse button sticks on my laptop (stuff like that is all that really gets affected). It is definitely NOT September. My bad.

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  10. says

    This Chromosomal Mistake actually makes the Child Observer a “Better-Breed” of Observers, not only that he can feels (the boy cried after he saw Nina’s death), but he is an empath.

    So my speculation/theory is:
    September, after long period of “observing” Walter, Peter and Olivia ‘power of love’, i.e.
    e.g. Peter’s love for Walter made him a changed man;
    e.g. Olivia & Walter’s “love” for Peter prevent him from being erased from timeline
    September himself craves what they called “love”, and beg Walter to help take away the Observer-tech installed in his head ….

    But before Walter does this, September travel through time to retrieve “Anomaly XB-6783746″, a chromosomal mistake when Observers were cloning themselves, a ‘defect’ that gives ‘Michael’ extra ability to ‘feel’, i.e. becoming an empath.

    September realizes that this child is indeed a ‘better breed’ of Observers, and if he can replace Observers with this ‘new breed’ (by cloning this Child Observer instead), then the Observers will be able to save themselves (i.e. not destroying their planet in 2609, hence leading to the traveling back in time to take over our world in 2015). As a result, he hid the Child Observer in the enclosed basement of that building in ep.1.15 Inner Child – allowing Olivia an opportunity to connect with the child …..

    The child – Michael – now become the “origin” for a new breed of “future human being” which can replace the heartless, lizard like, barbaric Observers.

    After September put this plan in place, Walter helps him to take the Observer-tech out, allowing the part of his brain that controls emotion to re-grow (also his hair and brow to re-grow).

    I could be totally off-track here …… just a theory!

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    • Scott42444 says

      I like it but it makes me MAD! They just said you couldn’t do that with Peter. So, which is it? Does it make you emotionless permanently or not?

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      • Surun Tunne says

        I guess after it is permanent you can’t just violently take it out with a knife but walter might have been able to remove it savely.
        I’m sure this will be explained in the last eps.

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  11. Mark says

    My theory around Nina not being scared to take her life was that the boy showed her that the plan would reset the timeline…

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  12. Amanda says

    “It’s hard to see her face, but at the same time I want to.”

    Oh boy, Olivia….

    I like this episode, a lot, but the beginning was so slow… anyway, it worth for all the rest.

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    I swear, I was screaming, “WHAT!? WHAT!? WHAT!?” at the screen when Nina did hari kari. My dog was looking at me like I was crazy. I did not see that coming at all until like 1 second before it happened.

    I loved Nina’s jab at Windy that he is basically a lizard. I sensed some hatred vibes coming from the unemotional one. Props to Michael Cerveris for coming up with that head tilt lo those four and a half years ago when he was developing the Observer character. If I remember correctly I think I read he got that from watching his dog try to understand what he was saying to him. I’m glad they put that in there. Michael should get a writing credit for that one. I loved the whole Windmark Nina showdown.

    Did we see some semblance of emotion out of Windmark tonight? He definitely reacted to seeing those Observers in those tanks. “You animals!!!”

    So I’m not convinced that Michael is September as a child, but I admit I could be wrong. I just think he is Michael. There is a play on the name Michael of course…

    Michael is the name of the Archangel that defeats Satan in the battle in heaven. He overpower’s him and sends him out of Heaven. Windmark being Satan in this situation. Could that also possibly mean that this “place” (Amber timeline) isn’t a corporeal place much like Heaven? Hmm…?

    John’s acting was again top notch tonight. Walter really did like Nina, but part of me thinks he was mourning the fact that his brain surgeon just died, and he’s stuck with whatever happens to him and his brain (probably nothing). On that note, perhaps whatever Michael did to him helped to repair his fractured brain and allowed the bad Walter to die away. It remains to be seen though.

    Peter was there for his family in a big way tonight. Worrying about Walter, being a crutch for Olivia, standing up for Michael.

    Olivia is such a strong woman. To go through all the crap she has gone through in season 1-3 then to get killed and resurrected, then to finally have a seeming normal life with her husband and child be ripped away by invading Observers, then to have her long lost child returned to her only to have the lizard king kill her days later. Now her Longtime friend and once mentor (even though she may not remember her that way anymore) had to take her own life to protect her and her family. Wow I’m surprised she is not crumbling at the moment. Anna Torv’s subtle acting is paramount this season. I totally disagree with anyone who says Olivia/Torv is not showing emotion.

    The Final sequence. I did see the Donald/September thing coming, especially after reading a theory on here by @March (Shoutout bro, theories for Fringe don’t get confirmed everyday), but the sequence was beautifully done I loved the montage of Walter’s live(s). Plural because I think I saw some Blue timeline moments in there. correct me if I’m wrong.

    Anyway I feel a little long winded here, so i’ll say I gave it a 10/10 a rare thing for me. I hardly ever give over a 9/10 but it seems this season is making me change my mind. Maybe I’m sentimental, or maybe I am loving the Mythology this season is following through on, but this eppy deserved a 10 for sure.

    What the hell am I gonna do for the next 3 weeks?

    Love y’all :D

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    • ML says

      I appreciate that it seems the mythology isn’t just about wrapping up this season but it seems to be incorporating every season of the show.

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    • Red Balloon says

      I feel like that!, I think this one is the closest to 10 so far, but not yet for me :)

      I was skeptical with Donald being September because it was too obvious, but I guess they are just getting to the point where everybody needs to be for the finale, because there’s no time to tease much and they’re determent to take us to the future and back to the blue time-line. And I agree that the boy won’t be September, he will be September’s tether of the emotions. He will be the reason for him wanting to be human. He is his adoptive son.

      I loved the way Nina’s character ended, so sad yet so heroic. I guess I was hopeful that she would be the Big Bad just to see her MORE this season, Blair Brown was splendid and I loved everybody’s reaction to her death, like you said, Walter is a wreck right now, so he was having a breakdown, Olivia’s face when she saw Nina was so Liv, she was in so much pain that she couldn’t even watch the tape, and Peter was aware of Walter and Olive’s lost. The boy’s tear was definitely the audience pain.

      I’m with you on your take of Anna Torv, she’s been nothing but amazing with Olivia’s take on things. She knows perfectly how she would react and I understand it every single time. We’ve seen how far they can go with their characters when they have a story to tell, despite some bad scripts, bad directing or even bad editing, and what I’ve seen from John, Anna and Blair through Fringe… it’s suffice to say that Emmy’s are jell-o (I mean that as an insult, lol)

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      • ML says

        I loved Olivia’s reaction when she found the boy hiding. She just moved that dead Observer out of the way. What I’ve missed this season is how dynamic Anna can be as Olivia.

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        • Red Balloon says

          lol, yes!, she throw him out of the way as moving a carpet. I think Wyman’s love for the Bishop Boys is evident this season, but Anna can do wonders with little scream-time and little plot.

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          • ML says

            well, I wouldn’t say Anna has had little screen time. She’s been there through out and she had a good amount in this ep. I just need to see Olivia’s importance again. I think that is coming but I wish it had come earlier this season.

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            • Red Balloon says

              There’s just some details I’ve noticed, like in this episode when she’s telling Michael “you used to write things down for me…”, the camera is on Peter?… that’s been happening this season, and since I’m a big fan of Olive, I notice that kind of things, but no big deal.

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      • says

        @ Redballon & Rick: I totally agree about Olivia this season. It’s the nuances that Anna brings to this character which makes me love the actress and the character. I know everyone loves Altliv–I like her–but it is the Prime Olivia character that brings out the best acting from Anna Torv. I know Anna loves Altliv as well, but I think it’s because she can let loose more. Thank you Joel for focusing on our core group, as it is the right thing to do.

        Also, I know Anna and John are stand-outs, but Josh Jackson has done a terrific job with the Peter character. He has brought an initially under-developed character to life and when given the material, has delivered big time. I say an award all around for the entire cast.

        Finally, there have been many emotional scenes that tug at my heart strings over the series, but the scene of Michael mourning Nina actually brought tears to my eyes. Although, I don’t think the young actor who plays Michael is great in the role, he definitely brought an authentic emotion in that scene.

        Love Fringe. Love this season. Will be sad to see it end, but can’t wait for the final. It should be against the law to love a television show and its characters so passionately.

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        • Red Balloon says

          @Scully, I am happy that they’ve been giving Josh the opportunity to do something great with his character this season on the Peterserver, but I still think, now that it is resolved and so far no consequences have been shown, that they just did it because they owed Josh that, and I’m okay with that, but they should’ve paid in season 3 with the Shape-shifters. I think it was a turning point of the plot that they were afraid to do and instead decided to do the whole where’s Peter? which also had its downfalls because of the group dynamics weren’t the same or rather, better. So now I have to admit that I’m not happy about those 4 hours of only focusing on Peter this final season, but what can I say…they’ve done that with Olive before, so I guess it was Peter’s turn. In this final act of 13 episodes, I would’ve loved more time for the three of them together plus Nina, Broyles and Astrid. The Etta arc turned out to be great and this final act it’s full of good nostalgia and issues from the blue time-line, so it’s fitting well for the sake of all, but still, they’re just hinting Olivia’s mini arcs but nothing happens…very frustrating for me.

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          • says

            Red Balloon: I hear what you’re saying and don’t disagree. However, I think Olivia’s story has been playing out this entire season, just very quietly. I think because Olivia has had such strong character arcs from the very beginning, it’s strange to see her in, what some say, a more passive role. I admit that I miss some of the intensitity, but I LOVE this more emotionally accessible Olivia too. And as a shipper, I’m really enjoying the Polivia relationship this season. With that said, although this season’s Olivia is less agressive (not sure if that’s the correct word), I never doubt her badassness . . . :) Anna continues to deliver strong performances in each episode. She speaks volumes without saying a word.

            Yes, I wish they would have gone all the way with the Peter and the shape shifter storyline in season 3–Josh plays menacing very well. :) In terms of the Observer story, I think if they had had a 22 episode season, there would be an opportunity to explore the more. I also wish they would have really addressed his disapperance better in season 4, but that’s a whole other conversation . . . :)

            Hey, even when Fringe isn’t meeting our highest expectations, it delivers emotion-filled, engaging and thought-provoking stories more often than not. I sure hate to see it end.

            I rambled a bit . . . hope it makes sense.

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            • Red Balloon says

              It makes perfect sense Scully, thanks, I’m more than thankful for this season. I’m not sure why can’t they just give everyone his/her roll as they were but with more experience…that’s all it takes to be as good as it was for all, i.e. to find balance between badass and mature Olivia like they did in “The Human Kind”. They’ve done some damage to Walter and Olive’s characters since season 4, so they could at least give them some straight forward this season. Olivia is getting there, and Walter is just gaining some road. Anyway, I trust the story, so I’m all in until the end.

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    • _lost_stef_ says

      love this Rick!! episode deserved a 10/10!!!

      I knew Nina was gonna die had this feeling but i was totally freaking out that she killed herself!! i’m watching the episode very early morning so i was trying to be quite but i couldnt contain it!

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  14. number six says

    Unlike Black Blotter, this episode didn’t make me want to fastforward half of the episode, it didn’t feel like a waste of time and Walter was actually tolerable. Great!

    I liked:

    – Nina, of course. It was telegraphed that she would meet her end here, but she was a bamf and as much as I found her speech problematic, I enjoyed the reactions it created.

    – Walter’s reaction to her death. Much better than his reaction to his granddaughter’s death. Having a whole functioning brain suits him.

    – The kid formed a bond with Nina in this timeline.

    – The Observers read the glass in Nina’s office. I prefer this kind of subtle callbacks that the more obvious ones, they’ve been shoehorning in this season.

    – No homages to other shows. It felt like Fringe, at last!

    – Donald is September! Which I prefer to the theory that Michael is September.

    I didn’t like:

    – The Observers continue to be dumb. Peter found out there was a recording of the scene in Nina’s lab. Why couldn’t they? Why do they keep leaving crime scenes untouched, instead of taking everything with them to study, like any analytical mind would do? Nina kills herself and they just leave?

    – Olivia’s reaction to Nina’s death. There is subtlety and there is looking like an Observer prototype.

    – Michael as this terribly important character in the last few episodes of the show, when the focus should be the 3 main protagonists.

    I need September/Donald and Broyles back as soon as possible. Please!

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    • ML says

      The writers obviously decided to give that moment when Nina died more to Walter. Not just because of their history but because Walter is probably also grieving the fact that Nina can no longer help him with his brain.
      Olivia covered her body and couldn’t look at the moment when Nina killed herself. I think it was a reaction fitting of Olivia.

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    • Scott42444 says

      I agree with you on the bad stuff of the episode. There is enough story over 5 years of this show that they don’t need to throw in some extra stuff to add drama. Like Walter’s duality, who cares? They aren’t going to have time to really explore it anyway because he is trying to save the entire world. Plus, his mind got scrambled by Windmark so we lose all the good parts of Walter having the pieces of his brain back. A complete Walter. I would like to see it help out our team just once. Maybe “Michael” helped him achieve that. Also, the child observer. I don’t care about him THIS much. I would rather have Broyles and Nina be important parts of the plan. Or, have September be the thing they are looking for (or Donald, if you will) for 3 episodes. He has basically been the blueprint for the Observers. Why don’t we have him in more episodes? Like was mentioned above (by Rick Terry), the little head tilt was all Michael Cerveris adding some “flavor” to his character. Why the hell is he not put front and center during a WHOLE SEASON DEDICATED TO OBSERVERS?!?!?!?!? But, whatever. I don’t want to complain too much.

      “We are just starting the climb towards the top of the roller coaster’s big drop, get ready to raise your hands and smile for the camera’s as we start to go screaming down towards the earth!” – Only 3 more weeks, I can feel the coaster climbing….

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    • Red Balloon says

      Honestly number six, I don’t get why you torture yourself every week… but the good news for you is that there’s only 3 more hours of fast forwarding the scenes of the characters you don’t like…

      Well, at least you still watch and you are a loyal critic of the show, I’ll give you that.

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      • number six says

        Honestly, Red Balloon, I don’t know where you got the idea that I’m torturing myself. Nothing in my post indicates I do. Perhaps you want me to post everything I like and shut up about what I don’t? You don’t do it, so why should I?

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        • Red Balloon says

          The idea came from reading your reviews of every episode, not just this one, but in general, you fast-forward a lot! so that’s why I think you’re torturing yourself, because I don’t think that’s a fun thing to do. But as I said, you have to be a fan just to still want to watch every episode, even when the bad surpass the good (at least that’s how it sounds)

          Do you have a close to ten or ten episode this season or season 4? … that’s like 30 episodes of reviews and I still haven’t see that you are a happy fan for at least one.

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          • number six says

            I fast-forward a lot?!? I’m sorry, but you’re confusing me with someone else :(

            Yes, there are a couple of episodes in seasons 4 and 5 that came close to ten (for Fringe).

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            • Red Balloon says

              hey don’t cry!, maybe I am.
              I’m glad you can still find some chapters/episodes worthy of a close to ten, but I can tell you’re hard to reach from Fringe’s writers POV.

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    • ian says

      I partially agree with your dislikes, number six:

      -yes, the observers continue to be dumb
      -yes, olivia’s reaction to Nina’s death was bad…almost robotic. even Peter showed more emotion than she did
      -but, no, I totally disagree on the boy Michael. To me it is a great callback to the 1st season and finally getting answers to who he is. I think he is awesome!!!

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  15. 134sc says

    So that just happened. Wow. RIP Nina, I am failry confident your sacrifice will not be for nothing.

    O ya and Donald is September. Very, Very, Cool.

    To be honest, most of the episode was kinda boring. Based on the first 40 minutes or so I would have given this episode a 5/10 (and I very rarely give out anything lower than a 7.5), but those last 20 min, more than made up for it. It pulled the episode up by its boot straps, giving it an easy 9.5/10.

    Now I do have a bit of a complaint/nitpick. Nina said that the boy didn’t have the ability to empath with Olivia because he could not understand what she wanted (yet he did in the past, but can’t now for some reason…ok writers…anyway not my main complaint…lol) At the end with Walter, they need the device in order to communicate with the boy and have him explain (through touching Walter) who Donald is etc. So, how did the boy know to touch Nina? And kinda on a side note, was the boy able to touch people in the season 1 episode and show them things?

    Also, for those of you who continue to believe the boy is September, I think Windmark made it pretty clear that he is an anomoly and not a boy at all. To me that confirms that he will not grow up to be September. If anything it was probably September who brought him to the original timeline to protect him. But hey, I have been wrong before.

    Finally, (Spolier Alert for those that have not seen the promo for next episode) I think it was fairly obvious that the plan was always a time reset. The fact that they released this information in the promo for the 3rd last episode, pretty much confirms that. So, the fact TPTB aren’t keeping it a secret tells me a couple things: The plan could change, as a lot can happen in the last 3 episodes or (and I think this one is the more likely scenario) it is not about the destination, it is actually about how we get to the reset in these last 3 episodes. How the previous episodes of the season will tie into the plan and how the last four seasons fit into this final chapter. I think we are all in for one hell of a ride and I think TPTB will do their best to have it all fit together in a satisfying way.

    Thank goodness for the holidays keeping me distracted, cuz I know its only a 3 week break, but I can’t wait.

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    • says

      “Also, for those of you who continue to believe the boy is September, I think Windmark made it pretty clear that he is an anomoly and not a boy at all. To me that confirms that he will not grow up to be September. If anything it was probably September who brought him to the original timeline to protect him. But hey, I have been wrong before.”

      This!

      I feel exactly the same way. I have a long drawn out theory about it, but I don’t think I need to post it because it boils down to this:

      September saw the Fringe team interacting with the child in the past, over the course of following the fringe team and eventually making his way into the future again he realized that it will need to be him to save Michael and bring the him back into the past in the first place. Michael is important, but he is also closure to a causality loop that September had to close.

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      • says

        I like both . . . totally agree that September brought the boy back to the past for safe keeping. Love the notion that Michael is the key to bringing closure to the causality loop. I like your thinking — Rick and 134sc.

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    • ian says

      134 sc, I totally think September was the one responsable for making the kid “dissapear”, while already planning ahead (the kid is important for Walter’s plan to defeat the observers). windmark’s hint leads us to believe so and it makes sense.
      As for the kid not communicating with Olivia, I think they half-explained that in the episode (minute 15:30): something changed…either him or Olivia….or something else. Hopefully we will find out.

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  16. Surun Tunne says

    so, michael didn’t age because he was a genetic anomaly!

    blair’s acting was amazing, definitely fringie o the week for me!

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  17. DeepRunner says

    Number. Ten. Was. Not. An. Anomaly.

    It. Was. A. Perfect. 10.

    YES!!!!!!!!

    This was a fan-freaking-tastic eppy. The roll-up to the curtain close is getting even better. So much exquisite goodness in this eppy, but first…

    * Nina. Goodbye. You sacrificed yourself. That is something that in the BlueVerse would have not necessarily been hard to believe, but something not quite to expect. You knew you were as good as dead when Olive called you to let you know you were compromised. Your dialogue with Windmark at the end was perfect. The reason for the Observer head-tilt was an excellent reveal. Basically you told him that he and his ilk could…mmm…well, it was a highly mature theme, shall we say. You saved the others.

    Blair Brown made the most of her screen time this season. And, if we are to believe the promo for the next eppy, this may not be the last we see of her.

    * The Child Observer. I had a very strong suspicion in the promos leading up to XB “Phone Number” that his touching Nina was snapping her memory back to theoriginal timeline. Michael WAS the Easter Egg pointing to Donald. When the Child Observer touched Walter, we saw the flash memories back to the Original Timeline, which means Walter knows that the BlueVerse was altered, because he saw Peter come with Olive to St. Claire’s to get him in the flashback. And he revealed that Donald WAS September.

    Thank you Wyman. All that is old…may be new again. But before we celebrate too much…

    * Walter. Your grief at Nina’s death was staggering and genuine. You saw things as they once were when Michael touched you. You are becoming the original Walter more and more. And Waffle Sticks…VERY. NICE.

    Over the years, I have wondered if Walter and Nina were brother and sister, or at least related somehow. I hope we get one last reveal that indicates what their relationship was. But while thinking of Walter, we need to talk for a moment about…

    * ACID. He called her “ACID.” He obviously calls Abner by her right name when he’s ON acid. Poor Abner. Little screen time this eppy. This season. Not so this eppy for…

    * P/O. They had a lot of screen time but were not as in the forefront, because this was a Nina-and-the-Child-Observer-plus-the-Evil-Windmark eppy. It was fitting that Olive was the one to find Nina. The scene with Etta’s poster. P/O with Michael as protective parents. Both of them shooting the Loyalist SS Troopers. They are a team, these two. Anna Torv and Joshua Jackson have always done well together, and their chemistry has always been great. What was even better this installment was…

    * Windmark being told he was an animal. He was going to use his Observer mind trick to try and break Nina. He made himself sound invincible, but his ability to see the future has always been invisible. He did not count on Nina turning the gun on herself. Windmark is an excellent villain, if only a common Gestapo-like thug. But every villain needs a hero, and that hero may be…

    * SEPTEMBER. Welcome Back. You have hair. So you WERE Donald. Excellent reveal, and now we will find out what became of you.

    Three weeks to the final three hours. Sigh. All I want for Christmas is another season. Please, please Wyman Claus, give us more Fringe.

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    • Scott42444 says

      Also, can I throw in mad props for the music of Fringe! Seriously, there was a little twist to the familiar theme song when the Donald/September reveal occured. It added a bit to the emotions of the scene AND was timed perfectly to that little smile that Michael Cerveris gave which was AWESOME! The music on this show is TOP NOTCH and doesn’t get enough credit. It makes the production values seem SO MUCH HIGHER than a regular television show! Chris Tilton I believe is the one to give credit too, not Michael Giacchino as I usually seem to credit (based on the opening credits).

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      • Surun Tunne says

        yes, chris tilton is responsible for the OST since season 2.
        michael giacchino deserves credit for season 1 and made additional music in season 2

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    • says

      It seemed so. We saw not only the original child Observer (which was from the blue timeline), but we also saw Peter with Olivia when Walter was signed out of St Claire’s. (also a blue timeline moment).

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      • Scott42444 says

        Yes, I agree. Also, he seems to have a memory of the “big bang” as well (not to be confused with the 70’s adult film of the same…oh nevermind, bad joke). Which, to a scientist like Walter (remember how excited Walter was thinking about Saurapods during the Season 3 finale in the future?) is a BIG GIFT!

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  18. Surun Tunne says

    a few days ago I imported some original red vines from amerika, I am going to eat them during the last 2 episodes! :D

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  19. hsa says

    Michael Cerveris just tweeted:

    I PRETEND TO RUN ARGENTINA…BUT YOU CAN CALL ME DONALD.

    Can’t wait for the “FRINGE” conventions to start.

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  20. ML says

    Can I say how much I love Fringes mythology. It’s just so moving and emotional and I love how this season seeme to be bringing it all together.
    Ranks above Lost and Xfiles mythology

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  21. Uncertainty says

    I have to confess I was rooting like mad for Nina during her speech. I just wanted to yell at Windmark: OHHH SNAP! SCHOOLED SCHOOLED!

    The final scene, where September appears, I don’t know why, but my eyes started to moist, I think I’ve ground very fon of him.

    10/10

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  22. 134sc says

    I hope that when Michael touched Walter he got his blue verse memories back, but if he didn’t then at least he got to see what “really” happened. I love that scene so much, I think I have watched it 5 times since last night.

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  23. Red Balloon says

    The second Olivia watched Hastings with Windmark, she knew it was Nina’s end :( . When she called her, Nina knew it was her end :(

    Every time Olivia says “I need you to listen to me” it’s because she knows there’s not much anyone can do to avoid death…”you can’t go back to the Ministry and you can’t go home” (breaks her voice) … and then Nina “eh…it’s okay…I have to go now” (breaks her voice) …and then Olivia “I’m sorry” (breaks her face!)… oh God!, so many feelings!!! , and then with boy she repeats “it’s okay, I’m gonna be fine…it’s just…” and then the Emmy’s

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    • shidey17 says

      I’m with you on this!

      Everyone seems to think Olivia lacks emotion this season. Her face when she found Nina broke my heart. Anna is subtle in the way she shows Olivia’s emotions, but I think it’s so perfect.

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      • Red Balloon says

        Not everyone @shidey17, just some nuts out there ;)
        @ML I just think she has a master’s degree in deep concern, I loved that too

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        @shidey F anyone that thinks that!! she is our BAMF and our BAMF shows emotions and Anna does it perfectly!!

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  24. 134sc says

    Just watched from when Windmark enters the lab and talks to Nina to the final scene again, and o man, what pheonomenal televsion. Some of the best Fringe has ever given us. I could rewatch it again and again.

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  25. Charlie says

    Oh my god, what a great episode! Seriously, I LOVED the ending and September’s smile! One question though: Walter said in 4×19 that “One of them even tried to help us” referring to September (we assume) and then he said what happened to him was horrible (or something like this). So, what happened to him? Does this mean that he’s actually dead? Why did Walter say that something horrible happened to September even when he was alive long after Walter ambered himself? Correct me if I’m wrong but we know that September was alive when Walter ambered because he took Michael to the resistance family.

    Could someone clear my mind?

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      • Charlie says

        Oh, ok then. I was confused about this… Thank you!
        Although I wonder what he was talking about when he said that.

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        • says

          The exact quote was:

          “What happened to him was…well…unexpected.”</i

          What is more “unexpected” that a full fledged Observer gaining feelings and emotions, while losing the head tilt, and growing hair and eyebrows and a 5 o’clock shadow, days and weeks after He had you surgically remove the tech from his brain, in order to stay undetectable by the other Observer so that he can help your cause?

          It was “unexpected” that September would turn into a normal human, I think Walter just expected him to be stuck like he was. Only without the tech so as not to be able to be tracked down.

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          • ML says

            But I don’t see how, given what we learned with Peter and the tech, September could change back into Donald.
            It can’t be September just removes the tech and becomes regular person when we were told that Peter, after only a few days with his implant, was on the brink of losing himself.
            Doesn’t Donald have to be pre tech September?

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            • says

              Who told us that? Scrambled egg for brains Walter right?

              Here is what we know:

              Violently ripping the tech out of an Observer kills him due to blood loss (note the puddle of blood on the floor afterward)

              Peter with superior intellect knew he could remove the tech.

              Walter theorizes (key word) that the tech would cause irreversible effects. But as we know Peter immediately lost all Observer qualities ALL OF THEM, and his brain should have grown by then. We know he was already losing hair, and doing the lizard tilt.

              We honestly don’t know what would happen if someone carefully removed the tech in a surgically sound situation, which would be how Walter would have done it, and also September would have used his superior intellect to walk Walter though the procedure.

              Not saying I’m right, but it makes more since that September had the tech removed then regressed into a human being, That would constitute “unexpected” in my book. It was his love for the Bishop family that caused him to want this. A major theme in the show.

              What you are suggesting is that a guy named Donald decides to help Walter out of the blue, then agrees to be fitted with a cortical implant, then that he would be welcomed right into the Observer ministry of science and would spend countless years traversing time, universes, and timelines to set up an elaborate plan to destroy the Observers, which would guarantee his failure since he would now be an Observer, and thus be affected by the plan as well.

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              • ML says

                Why would the show make a point to tell us that Peter’s transformation could become permanent if they were planning to reveal that September takes the tech out and turns into Donald?

                I dunno. You may be right and I guess all that matters is that the way the writers handle it makes sense, and doesn’t come off feeling retconned.

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                • says

                  “Why would the show make a point to tell us that Peter’s transformation could become permanent if they were planning to reveal that September takes the tech out and turns into Donald?”

                  I believe they did it so that you and I would be having this conversation. No doubt others are too.

                  It is yet another red herring in my opinion. I know I keep saying that, but it keeps being true.

                  It’s a contrived plot point, that will end up making Walter wrong in what he said. Although Peter technically could have stayed an Observer longer, they contrived to make him stop being one. it was about dramatic effect. It was a tease.

                  They were playing with our minds by making us think one thing when something else was going on.

                  They had to let Peter be an Observer so we could understand them better without tedious expository dialogue. But they had to yank him back, and make it dramatic when they did.

                  Peter had no business being an Observer, and he knew it, we knew it, and so did his family.

                  You can’t bank on theoretical info from a guy whose brain is as fractured as a broken window.

                  But if you don’t believe me we’ll just have to have two competing theories until otherwise proven wrong or confirmed.

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              • shidey17 says

                I agree with this. The only thing I’m not getting is that it seemed like Michael’s brain looked like Peter’s did when he had the tech in ( or actually the porcupine man implanted with observer tech did). So does Michael have all that brain activity just because he was cloned/created as an Observer, since he never had tech implanted?

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            • ian says

              ML, yeah, I also don’t see how they will explain this: why september has hair and is still alive. If Walter’s assumptions were wrong, than why state them? Just to make more Peter drama???
              I hope not and I hope they will explain it logically in a good way (no contrivance please!)…

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  26. Surun Tunne says

    @Rick
    but the way walter said that line is what makes me still think about it…he sounded a little sad…like something bad happened to september…

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    • Surun Tunne says

      I mean sure, something bad DID happen to him, we learned in episode 503 that he was taken away from the mine by two lizards but did walter know that or did he amber himself and the team before he could know about it…I’m a little confused right now, lol!

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  27. DoucheKiller says

    “Inner Child”, CIA guy: “looks like we have found another one.”

    There is more than one ‘anomaly’. As yoda would say, “there is another.”

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    • FreeRadical says

      That is such a good point! I think during Windmark’s convo with Nina, he said something to the effect of Michael being one of the anomalies scheduled to be destroyed. So is that implying there are other defected observers out there who has the ability to feel emotions like September and August did? Could it be that September is also an anomaly who somehow slipped through the cracks and didn’t get destroyed? Is it possible that September doesn’t have a tech in him? Maybe in Walter’s memories, he is just wearing a wag and fake eyebrows??? o.O

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  28. Ian S. says

    Good episode but I feel like it suffered the same problems as the last episode; intriguing start, slow build-up for most of the episode, then major final 10 minutes. There was just too much time being spent on Windmark interrogating scientists and our team trying to get another ECOG. Seriously, when they showed the lineup of people on the staircase instead of me going “oh my god, they’re almost about to find out where Nina is!” I was thinking “oh come on, hurry up and find where Nina is!”.

    That’s really my only complaint (although it really does bring down the pace of the episode, and therefore how I view it as a whole). I loved the beginning scenes, with trying to communicate with Michael and the Observers reading Nina’s office with the sound wave device. Very cool stuff. Nina brings them to the black lab (something she could have mentioned a few episodes back…) and they fit Michael with a device allowing us to read his thoughts.

    After that though I can barely remember what happened, since it was all really the same. The Fringe team goes to get another ECOG to communicate with him, and Windmark interrogates employees to find Nina. All that took way too long, it was a good fifteen minutes that could have been five.

    Nina’s final scene was incredible and one of the best of the series. Comparing the Observers to lizards was perfect and backed up Nina’s intelligence, she will be sorely missed. Walter’s reaction to her suicide was heartbreaking as well, though I’m sure a lot of it had to do with the fact that his brain surgeon was gone.

    Of course, nothing compares to the final scenes of the episode, where we find out that Donald is September. Great montage and incredible reveal. Can’t wait to see how it all fits in.

    9/10

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  29. Ian S. says

    So, going by what was shown in this episode, this is what I got:

    Donald is post-Observer September. September originated sometime in the 2609 future, was assigned to a science team, and went back in time to watch our origins to find the right moment to invade Earth and take over. September mucked with the timeline in 1985 though, and caused events to happen that would affect the 2609 future. In order to restore balance, the Observers had Peter enter the BBM to rewrite the timeline, which allowed September another chance and making the right timeline

    However, due to “love” (which on this show is really a huge scientific aspect they couldn’t explain), Peter resurfaced and September let him return to the timeline. He came to save Olivia’s life in the Season 4 finale, was shot by the red head, went to investigate the future for when Olivia would have to die, went to the Opera House to tell her, then appeared in Walter’s lab in “The End of All Things”, which Peter entered his mind and learned the truth about the timeline.

    The other science team Observers came and removed him from the universe, but using a beacon Peter allowed him to find his way back. September is healed now, and tells Peter this is his Olivia. He then visits Walter in the lab sometime between 2012 and 2015 and tells him the other Observers are coming to invade. That’s the last *official* time we see September, on his correct timeline path.

    Then, as we’re led to believe, September worked with Walter on a plan to defeat the Observers. It seems that here Walter safely removed the technology in his brain, though as we all know the Observer technology can leave the brain permanently changed. September grew hair and became more human, calling himself ‘Donald’. After they made the plan, something “unexpected” happened to Donald (which could have been being taken away by the other Observers at the mine or something else). Walter then ambered himself, and was released 20 years later to have a broken brain and therefore could not remember any of this.

    If this is all true, would that mean September is dead? He was taken away by the other Observers, probably probed for information, and was killed. David Fury said he was dead too, via Twitter. If this is the case, is this the end for a physical September, or is he still alive to some capacity?

    Also, how does Michael know about the plan? And how did he know September was Donald when he showed Walter?

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    • says

      Thank you for writing that. I am kinda tired of trying to explain it myself. LOL! I’m on this board trying to explain it, then I’m in this other forum trying to explain it, them I’m on this other site explaining it. I feel like I should be doing something else, like writing a book or something Ha! I will refer everyone to this comment from here on out.

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    • deb says

      Well said Ian! I agree with it all.

      My thoughts on your final questions:

      I think that because it is his observer code name, ‘September’ would be dead if Donald is a normal human.

      And didn’t Michael as an empath ‘know’ what Olivia wanted, so maybe he wouldn’t have to know the details of the plan as such, he could just know/feel what memories were important for Walter to know/see.

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      • ML says

        This reminds me. I hate how the writers took away the connection Olivia and the boy had in S1. I hate when shows change things that were so meaningful.
        That was a retconn to me!

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          • deb says

            With all the extra time spent on that question in this episode, I hope it might be explained later. Something that happened when Peter was erased??

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    • ian says

      Problem with your theory: you assume September and the science team were working on guaranteeing a timeline for the bad observers to invade (no proof of that, just especulation, which to me becomes more and more of a conspiracy theory). As far as we know, they deleted Peter because of September’s interference, simple as that.
      Seriously? how would Michael know the plan? how would he know who Donald is? September (Donald) was the one that took Michael to the bubble universe and than again to the couple in the woods. How could he NOT know it? He can se all timelines!

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  30. shimshy says

    Contrary to what a lot of people have written, I believe Donald BECOMES September; not the other way around.

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    • says

      We’ll just have to wait and see. I guess.

      But I challenge you to come up with a theoretical scenario that works in the narrative, and makes some sense like Ian did above with the opposing theory.

      If you could do that then maybe you could convince Ian, Me and several others here.

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  31. ramona says

    I think when Sept. interrupted Walternate in his lab and prevented him from curing young Peter, a whole new timeline with the Bad Observers were created. In the original timeline the Observers were highly evolved humans, according to Sept. The Badservers de-evolved as they continued to deny their emotions as well as their humanity. Peter had to be saved since he was the origin of the good Observers. The Badservers started manipulating the new timeline and tried to erase the good Observers. Sept. was able to realize this and was able to be one step ahead of them. He prepared for every eventuality by leaving himself “messages” in the original timeline and then went to the future to save Michael. That’s the reason for all the Fringe events. When he was finally captured and taken to the alternate timeline, he was able to contact Walter and lead him to Donald. He only had time to convince Donald who he really was and entrusted Michael to Donald’s care before Sept. was terminated by the Badservers.

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      • ramona says

        Yes. I think Donald wasn’t able to evolve into September because it was a different timeline. Peter was able to exist on this timeline where he already died.

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        • Red Balloon says

          That’s interesting Ramona, lets see if it comes that way. Not sure about good observers vs bad observers though, because I think it takes more than 600 years to evolve “naturally” (good observers?), but still, maybe it could fit with some tech involving in there (good tech…lol)

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          • ramona says

            Two years ago there was a NOVA documentary where a group of scientists went to Siberia to see a whole new breed of domesticated fox. This 50 year old fox breeding facility mated wild foxes that had gentle temperaments. Within one or two generations the fox pups looked more like our domesticated dogs. The documentary stated that “evolutuon could happen in a blink of an eye”. In Fringe’s case, it would be the blink of an Observer’s eye!

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  32. ramona says

    To continue from my previous comment… Donald was captured, and most likely killed, by the Badservers as was seen in The Recordists. Michael is now the only good Observer left that can take our heroes back to the original timeline. Sidenote: I think the good Observers didn’t need the tech in their heads since they naturally evolved into their abilities. They controlled their emotions because they also became highly empathic. Sidenote 2: When Sept. saw that Olivia will have to die, he was in the alternate timeline dominated by the Badservers. Anyway, these are just speculations. So far the writers have been great at surprising the fans.

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    • ian says

      ‘They controlled their emotions because they also became highly empathic”… what? that makes absolutely no sense!!!
      NO, the observers don’t have empathy (stated over and over again in the show). NO, their abilities come from the tech (also stated more than once in the show).

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      • ian says

        Come to think again….some of the abilities aparently don’t come from the tech, but are naturally developed….ok, but it is quite a contrivance! A contrivance I’m betting Roco will point out.

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  33. crolmac says

    I know i am joining the discussion quite late, but i’d like to point out a small thing ( my take on the origin of the observers is in another discussion , friday i think i posted it). Michal was named an anomaly, and in the episode with the magnet, where olive gets peter to take out the observer tech, she calls herself and the woman who gave her the magnet anomalies, since they can both do somethings not usual for normal people. No idea if it is related or not, if the observers evolution and tech originated in walter and bell’s original cortexiphan experiments on children…just adding a part to the discussion…remember the idea behind the butterfly effect…remember to have fun, except if you see a bald man with a fedora and an unblinking stare, then be afraid, very afraid. Incidently, i wonder if they look for the actors who have the least expression lines, as the observers supposedly don’t smile, or emote, really…botox, anyone?take care

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  34. _lost_stef_ says

    OMG I AM TOTALLY FREEAKING THE F OUT RIGHT NOW!!!!

    I am so delayed watching this episode, i have been away for the weekend and the first thing i did when i got home was watch this episode, and now its 2:30AM and i am having a total freak out session in my living room!!

    Nina OMG i had a feeling that this was coming and it was the right thing for her to do but i am still sobbing hysterically over it.

    AND DONALD IS SEPTEMBER!!!!! and now im freaking out even more!!

    this episode i cant even put it into words… i need to process my thoughts

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    • says

      I had to watch the last 20 minutes or so like 15 times to let it process. I gave this a 10/10 just because of those final 20 minutes.

      I’ll be honest and say that at least half of this episode was throwaway filler, but that final bit…HOLYSHIT!

      It makes me have more faith going into the final run, that Wyman at least seems to know what I want out of this show. LOL!

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        lol yeah it was that last 20 mins, so so good. Wyman knows what he is doing but Rick i hope your right about the red herring because idk how i feel about reset. it all depends on the circumstances. i feel like a reset is just to easy for them. i cant let the past 5 seasons be for nothing

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        • says

          I just feel like;

          The fact that they not only SAID the words “reset time”, plus the fact that it was said in the PROMO, means it probably either won’t happen at all, or at least it won’t happen the way we the audience thinks it will. You know what I mean?

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  35. QbanariK says

    So what is the theory on the Observers’ origin? Was it
    a) a few regular men invented the tech implant and decided to put it on themselves and a bunch of selected others to begin a new generation or
    b) a few regular men decided to “create” these “genetically superior” beings and cloning them on a lab similar to what DRJ did with the shapeshifters – or maybe a combination of the two?
    It sounded like they were cloned, meaning not all of them were normal humans before becoming Observers; stemming from Windy’s comment about Michael being a rare genetic anomaly.
    Is the tech what doesn’t let them age or did they get a hold of Walter’s project to create army men to a certain age and perfected it for use on this new breed?
    The cloning explains why they don’t need women to procreate.
    I wonder if after being cloned they can still take out the tech and become human? Or do they have to be human first to change back to one?
    Was September and the other 11 members of the scientific team the Original Observers who were human first, and everyone else is a clone?

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    • QbanariK says

      Actually on further thought, the tech might not be responsible for them not aging because Michael does not have it. However, the kid is an anomaly after all so what applies to the others may not apply to him and vice-versa.

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      • says

        He didn’t age, because he was pulled from his Observer incubator. (See next episode promo for explanation) It seems that they grow their young in an incubator as clones, or genetically engineered progeny. It seems as if possibly Michael was taken out of his to prevent his destruction so he was never grown into a full adult Observer. Apparently they don’t age, or as I theorized they are genetically engineered to repel entropy. That sortof thing would be beneficial to a time-traveler.

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        • QbanariK says

          I caved in and watched the promo…since most people are talking about it anyway, it was hard to get away from it lol
          Great, so apparently like you said he was yanked early from the incubator; but even after all these years he was hidden (from Inner Child to now) he still didn’t age a day and he’s tech free. So definitely the genetic manipulation is making that possible. I just realized from reading the timeline that the experiments to halt ageing were as old as the Nazis.
          I’m still a little confused about how he can have some abilities like communicating with humans’ minds without the tech.

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          • Ian S. says

            I think the Observers were experimenting with ways to have their kind have those abilities without the tech and Michael was a test subject, but he became an empath by mistake (he was an anomaly) so they went to destroy him, but someone hid him underground. So he has most of their abilities without the tech, but as a side effect he is an empath.

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  36. ML says

    How did you guys interpret Michael’s tears in this episode? Early in the episode Olivia says that she doesn’t understand why the boy isn’t responding because the last time they met he was able to feel what she was feeling.

    Later we see the boy cry after Nina dies. Was he crying over Nina or was he feeling what Olivia was feeling?

    I ask because earlier in the episode we see the boy listening to Olivia as she expresses her sadness to Peter about Etta. It was like he was connecting to her feelings again. That’s how I interpreted the scene. If you go back and watch its the scene by the elevator and the show makes a point of showing the boy listening to Olivia.

    On twitter someone mentioned that the boy was able to connect to Olivia again as he did in Inner Child whereas I had thought the boy was crying over Nina because she had saved him.

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  37. _lost_stef_ says

    god we need group hugs seriously! just rewatched the episode and damn it i’m crying my eyes out again… it doesn’t get easier the second time

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