In attempt to recall a plan to defeat the Observers, Walter takes an LSD trip down memory lane. Meanwhile, Peter and Olivia trace a mysterious signal to the woods, where they come upon a grisly scene
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FRINGE: 5.09 Black Blotter
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SAM WEISS! F YEAH!
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He was killed off screen… Without a semblance of an appearance in the season. It’s the direct oppose of “F YEAH!” you could get…
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I disagree. I can only imagine that we will find out more about why Ol’ Sammy was working with the resistance in the coming episodes. I’m not a Wyman fangirl by any means, but it’s 13 episodes to wrap up a lot of stuff. I at least appreciate the throwbacks.
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Ok, so I think the kid is looking more and more like September in the face….even if it’s not him.
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It was kinda funny that they named him Michael especially since everyone is figuring he is going to end up being September who is played by Michael Cerveres
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Histories of ages past
Unenlightened shadows cast
Down through all eternity
The crying of humanity.
‘Tis then when the Hurdy Gurdy Man
Comes singing songs of love
the music choices from this season has been so amazing. only you by yazoo a few episodes back brought me to tears. funny trivia, the flying pickets, a band made famous by their cover of only you – in their music video the video game enthusiast is clearly an observer. strange business. and terry gilliam!@!!!! such a great episode. i will miss walter bishop so very much.
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Did they really get Terry Gilliam on board!? I still can’t believe it.
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Yes, that sequence was amazing! I almost expected to hear someone shout, “NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisitions!”
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That episode made up for the last couple crappy ones.
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I wonder what kind of “research” the writers did for this one
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Well, that…was weird episode.
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I thought the artwork/amimation was fun especially Walter riding Gene. I thought it was perfectly weird given that Walter was tripping.
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OMG! The answers are coming so fast that it is hard to process them. I love the way Oliva looked at the boy Observer with such tender love. She loves him as if he was her own child. Can;t wait for the next epidose. Mr. Wyman you are giving us what we wanted. Thank you.
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And now for something completely different
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Well…..that was different.
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I loved the episode!
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Wish they would of played the flying circus music when they did the python animation bit
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Did not like this episode, did not “relish” it. I don’t even want to take the time to analyze the story closures. It had a few good moments, Peter and Olivia kiss in the “Twilight’ woods, the boy and Olivia exchanging looks, that’s about it. I’m not too much into “A Christmas Carol” type of show. But that is just me, I’m not arguing with anyone, glad some of you liked it, there will be lots of fast forwarding for me in any re-watch of this one.
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you just hit a brick wall
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im surprised you didn’t enjoy it when there was so much to like. I felt that this episode gave us a lot more answers and progressed forward more then previous ones.
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You’re not alone.
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Sorry to hear you guys didn’t like it. I liked it a lot better than some other episodes this season. Just a few more!
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Sissysiri — I hate to say it, but I tend to agree with you. I will hold my final opinion until after I re-watch.
The one really cool thing was Sam Weiss reveal. It makes sense that he would be involved in the resistance. Question: So he lived in the Amber timeline? I didn’t know that . . .
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Sam Weiss has been everywhere, man.
http://www.abcgallery.com/C/caravaggio/caravaggio12.html
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lol, Betty
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I hope they say more about him than just that he died. He is one of my favorite characters (and one of the most mysterious).
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Okay — I re-watched the episode on a more initimate device– my computer. I always watch the episodes live on my tv set, and then rewatch the next morning on my computer (I bought the season on itunes). I’m able to view at my own pace and can really see it up close and personal.
Upon the second viewing, I really, really, really enjoyed the episode. Walter’s struggle is interesting to watch–it did a lot of showing versus telling. John Noble, once again brilliant. The final scene was awesome!
The P/O moments were nice. I like that they addressed Peter’s betrayal and Olivia’s forgiveness and love (the kiss). I also don’t mind that they are in seperate beds. Come on people . . . they’re living in a makeshift environment. However, now that the the Observer kid is there (Michael), looks like Peter and Olivia will have to share that twin bed . ..
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I like that they re-established the Olivia/ Kid Observer bond . . . it shows how Olivia must have been as a mother to Etta when she was little. I wish we’d get to see some of that interaction (Olivia and young Etta), but alas, I think there are more pressing issues to deal with.
I also liked that Peter and Olivia were in the room with Michael ‘O’ — I like this reconnection between Olivia and Peter. However, I’m concerned that they may sacrafice Peter in the end (say it ain’t so. . . ).
I loved the scene when Astrid first sees Walter in the lab and he comments on her hair–classic response from Astrid; as she touches her hair . . . “thanks” and then on the second compliment, her look says, ‘Walter did you take something?’
As much as I will be sad when the show ends, I cannot wait to see how it all plays out. I just read an interview with Wyman and he promises it will be a satisfying ending.
One negative for me. I thought the writing was a bit too on-the-nose, but all in all for a first go around, the newbie writer did a good job. However, I am surprised that they went with a new writer on the final and shortened season.
In any event, another wonderful episode as the plot thickens.
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@scully8 im really glad that after re-watching the episode you changed your mind. It really was a fantastic episode and agree with many of your thoughts
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Walter’s perspective. bliss
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Just loved, loved, loved, this magical episode. 10/10
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This episode was brilliant.
the last scene with Walter recalling the memories while they played in the background gave me goosebumps.
‘You’ve been him longer then you’ve been you’
After watching this episode it has become clear the alternate universe will come back into play.
So much to process. Sam Weiss, Observer Child, Nina, Carla Warren this was an EPIC episode.
10/10 and some people have the nerve to call the show crap pfft
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I LOVED it. Thank goodness Peter Oberver is over. This felt like our characters were back together.
Walter’s acid trips were hilarious. Then that scene at the end was beautiful. The lighting was amazing.
btw, did anyone catch the green and red fairy with the read fairy flying thru the portal? Foreshadowing?
LOVED Olivia and Observer boy. Man, when he remembered her? SO FREAKING GREAT.
I loved both Peter and Olivia taking care of him too.
One of the best eps of the season for me.
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agreed ML! The Alternate universe is so coming back into play.
Loved that the child observer remembered Olivia. It hurts seeing Olivia with any children reminds me to much that Etta is gone and we never got to see that side of her with her own daughter.
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Yeah when Olivia walks in the room to give him the cocoa all I could think of is not getting to see her with Etta. I loved Peter being there too. It was like they were taking care of their child.
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Who was the fairy ?
Elizabeth. John Noble’s daughter ?
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I think the fairy was the same actress as Carla, but I could be wrong I need to re-watch to know for sure. Wouldn’t it have been great if it was Astrid though.
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Yeah it WOULD have been great if it had been Astrid.
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According ti fringepedia, the pixie was played by Allie Bertram.
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Ah I give up.
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what do you mean?
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Sup Rick?
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I kept trying to post that the actress was Allie Bertram according to Fringe (now I have to get creative to get this word across) P as in Peter e,d,i,a So I have like 5 or 6 comments stuck in mod right now.
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Ohh Rick, I’m sorry to hear that you’re in a P-e-d-i-a loop
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Hahaha, funny!
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That is exactly what it felt like LOL!
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They’re giving you the P-a-t-t-y treatment!, you have the plague and nobody can come near U! LOL, well, I hope you come out of it soon!
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I think it is just that word that rhymes with media and begins with a (p) that does it. I see my frustrated comment went right through, afterword. LOL!
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Hey Rick, your answer to the actress who played the fairy is posted way up, where I asked who was the fairy.
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On my screen it is right directly under this very reply.
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maybe your screen is a window into another universe!!
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No there are just 5 or 6 useless stuck in mod comments showing on mine. LOL! I emailed Roco to get him to zap them away.
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damnit, I just tried if I could post that evil word..without success
I guess that means you do not live in another universe
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Betty does this reply show in the same thread as the who is the fairy question? It does on mine, and should be on your’s too, but if it isn’t then My comments are getting jacked up.
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No… in the middle of the conversation with you and the boys, below
On my screen it is right directly under this very reply. 12:31pm
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The actress’ name is Allie Bertram.
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I was also really glad that they decided to bring back Carla Warren (even if she was only in Walter’s imagination). I love call backs to old seasons and felt it was a very clever thing to do.
Loved this episode, one of the strongest of the season and if i may recall John Noble also tweeted that this was one of his favourites after they finished filming.
Can you all believe only 4 more episodes remaining, only 3 FRINGE FRIDAYS left. Its so hard to deal with these facts. And it is definitely harder and harder to get through an episode without tearing up.
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This is episode was great, there were a couple things I would’ve liked if they changed or tweaked, but overall it was really good. We got some unexpected twists with Sam Weiss back (sort of), Carla Warren and Nina Sharp’s returns, and the Observer Kid coming back this soon. There was more development on Donald, a lot of development with Walter becoming who he used to be (which was done spectacularly), and the most we’ve heard about the parallel universe and how Walter’s choices caused all of this destruction this season. Though I wish we would’ve found out who Donald is and maybe what happened to September, this was still a good episode with quite a few answers. Interesting that the Observer Kid remembers the original version of the timeline. I give this episode a 9/10.
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Also after this episode I’m even more convinced of my odd theory that Donald is a younger William Bell. We know that he knew Sam Weiss somehow and also we saw that Sam had early prototypes of the Observer guns which William Bell invented.
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i too have also had that suspicion re bell being Donald
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We got some unexpected “twists” with Sam Weiss back (sort of),
“A DEMONS TWIST RUSTS”
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This was awful. I’m sorry, but Walter tripping is not something that special anymore and although I enjoyed seeing Carla Warren again, she was used in the worst way possible. It was the worst one out of the weird episodes.
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I thought it was very rude of them to remind us of the former brilliance of Fringe with the “Peter” scenes at the end of the episode
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It made it just so obvious to me how much quality the series lost.
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That’s exactly how I feel whenever there is any sort of flashback or callback this season.
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This episode and a couple of eps this season(502 and 505, imo) have been as good as Fringe in previous seasons.
Every season Fringe has had some great eps and some not so great eps.
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I get Lincless humor but I disagree, I think Fringe lost track of the original story when they weren’t sure about renewal (end of season 3) and tried to get on track again but then again – renewal (end of season 4) and now they’re only trying to get us back to where it all started, and there’s no better way to do that than with this kind of flashbacks, which I’m thankful for… they’ll always get to you, no matter what. It’s not risky but always pays with lots of nostalgia. I’m with ML, this was great work around the main topic of Fringe, which is Walter’s original sin
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Lincless, you thought it was rude of them ? Really. I don’t think that they are that inconsiderate and careless.
I think that the showrunners are trying to tie up loose ends, to address questions that many viewers are asking. If they want to throw us a bone by having a flashback to where it all began, I am all for it.
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Ha! Yes, it was. I don’t care for the callbacks and I don’t care for their reminders, that the original timeline was deleted and that the other characters can’t remember. I also wish they stuck to the fight against the Observers Fringe-style and forgot about callbacks and homages to other movies.
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When Olivia pulled that wallet out and you could see the sadness on her face I had no idea who it could be. I just kept thinking who could it be that Olivia would react that way.
Shocked when I saw Sam’s picture. Great moment. RIP Sam Weiss
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Um, that was so easy, a skeleton in a truck and an intact wallet, Shazam,
that takes care of all the fans who were clamoring to have Sam Weiss return. Next!!??!! Terrible, IMO.
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Do you think that Sam died with his bowling shoes on ?
RIP Sam.
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Before I comment on the episode, I noticed something in the opening. As the picture starts inside the brain and zooms out, there is words that describe the observers effect on the world, also appearing on the screen. We are essentially zooming out from inside an obserevers mind, which I thought that was pretty freakin cool. Especially cuz, as others have also pointed out, the guy in the opening kinda looks like Peter.
Anyway, as for the episode. I really enjoyed
There were no weak moments and the plot moved forward, with references to the past thrown in (but not shoehorned in, which I appreciated). However, the part that really impressed me was the sequence at the end, when Walter was tripping and imagining the projections on the wall. Right at the end of the scene that camera comes around and shows a mirror across from where Walter is sitting. So now there is Walter sitting across from his reflection, as the projection of a drowning Peter, is shown in between. The symbolism in this scene is pheonomenal, as the reflection references the alternate universe, as well as Walter’s inner struggle with his other side, whom is appropriatley very much like Walternate. Just a very well done sequence and excellent story telling.
9.5/10 for me.
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If i was Walter, i could give this episode an 11/10.
Everything, éverything was in here!
The acid, the multicolored flame, frog,seahorse,butterfly, Monty Pythons Fringe Circus, Sam Weiss, young Observer (who i’m guessing is a young September)…
Everything fell into place.
Excellent writing, genius acting on all (guest)actors, hilarious and serious episode, all rolled into one.
I’m so excited, i’m going to rewatch again right now.
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Did you notice the multicolored flame was Blue, to amber, to red.? I thought that was a nice touch. Roco should have a field-day with his Observations this week.
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Observation overload in this episode thats for sure
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I never read anyone’s thoughts before I , so some of these things might have been said already, but…
WOW.
JUST. WOW.
So. Many. Callbacks. Most of them to the episode “Peter”. That is a major Easter Egg, I think.
* Dr. Warren, good to see you again. You were Jacob Marley to Walter’s Scrooge. You were there to haunt Walter. There to remind Walter of all the things he had been. And there to tell us YOU started the fire that you died in. Even if you were a hallucination, helping Walter to remember parts of the plan was a good execution. Bravo to Wyman for bringing you back for this episode.
* RIP Sam Weiss. Just. Not. Fair. It was Wyman acknowledging the cult status of the great mystic. He evidently died a hero. But still, it would have been good to see Sam one more time. But that little nod makes me wonder if the timelines are going to converge for everyone by the end. They already have for Olivia, obviously. And for proof that they may be converging…
* The Child Observer. He remembers Olivia. And for just a second, as they were sitting in the lab, with him drinking cocoa, he stared at Peter, as though he remembered him, too. Which would make sense, but there was something different about it. So how did the child Observer (it’s gotta be September as a child) not age? Observers don’t experience time as we do, as Olivia pointed out, but now this one experienced timelines differently from Walter and Astrid and everyone else. Maybe Wyman will let things return to where they were.
* Nina Sharp in the very 1985 look from “Peter.” It was very cool to see the frozen image of Walter going through the portal on the frozen lake, with Nina trying to stop him. And ironic that at the end, just as Walter had the good fairy and the demon fairy in his hallucination, Nina Sharp and Carla Warren played the same roles as Walter was trying to burn the journal. Carla telling Walter it didn’t matter, and Nina telling Walter to keep fighting.
Blair Brown has not had enough screen time this year. Fringe has always been about The Big Three. But Nina, Broyles, and Abner have not received a lot of presence in what is the wrap-up season. And speaking of Abner…
* ASTRID!!!!!! He actually called her by her real name. Although it could have been the Black Blotter talking. It was great that the show opened with Astrid. She had more lines in this eppy. And she heard the radio signal. (It would have been great if they were the number stations.) She was by Walter’s side through much of the episode. And thinking about Walter…
* This was very much a “Walter” episode. The mad scientist was on the verge of going mad from having used drugs. Having him take Black Blotter while Steppenwolf’s “The Pusher” was playing in the background was interesting. Check out the lyrics sometime. And then read them while thinking of Walter’s view of himself as God. His hallucinations about Carla Warren, Nina Sharp, and the good and demon fairies, plus his very “Monty Python” remembrance of the password “Black Umbrella” were alternately comical and despairing.
All the callbacks to “Peter”–the argument with Carla Warren, the scene in the living room with Elizabeth, Over Here Peter dying in his arms, the struggle to free himself from Nina’s grasp at Reiden Lake, Over There Peter (Our Peter) drowning in Reiden Lake. The only thing that would have been better is if, for just a split second, he saw September diving in, or had flashes of the car ride.
There was an additional subtle callback to “The Equation” form Season 1, where Walter was hallucinating in his cell at St. Claire’s, and saw himself in the cell with him (thjis happened when he thought he was burning the journal in THIS eppy). But with “Peter” very much in the forefront in this episode…
* Peter. The opening scene with the bandage on his neck to remind us about his succumbing to The Dark Side. His Shipper moment with Olivia in the dark (although their sleeping arrangements seemed more like Lucy and Ricky).
Guns on the dock. Supporting Walter as he was hallucinating. His Shipper moment with Olivia in the woods (“My, grandma, what big shippers we have”), which leads me to…
* Olivia. More in the forefront for this episode, but wish she had had more. Her scene with the child Observer, reminding us of Etta (I didn’t notice Etta’s image in this installment) was excellent. Flat-blasting loyalists with Peter. It was fitting that she found Sam Weiss.
A good episode this was.
Four. More.
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“The only thing that would have been better is if, for just a split second, he saw September diving in, or had flashes of the car ride. ”
in this timeline, september didn’t interfere, so it would’ve been a plothole if walter would’ve seen him.
besides that, great post, I loved the episode too
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Yeah, but what I was trying to say was in support of my earlier statement of the possibility of the timelines converging. Walter having that sort of memory flash would have been a HUGE reveal if it had happened.
As much of a fan as I am of the show, and I really do think it is is an amazing show, a big part of me LONGS for the BlueVerse to return. It might not make Fringe as interesting as is has been, but it would be as it was.
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Oh I get ya, I think? Like Walter’s mind free on LSD let him sort of remember the original timeline? That would have been kinda cool.
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Yep. He was obviously in the despairing portion of his drug-induced state. This sort of reveal would have given him some sort of hope and would have been an Easter Egg to open in an upcoming eppy. And it would have spiked interest in a huge payoff among fans of the show.
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I’m actually surprised by the general response to this episode so far – I had anticipated much more criticism and dislike of the tone and approach of this episode. As for me… I’m torn. There are things I thought were really well done and I really enjoyed, and there were things that I found disappointing, distracting, and frustrating.
Things I didn’t like:
The animated scene – It just felt off to me. It was too out there for my preferences. I felt very odd watching it. I’ve come to expect some really strange things from Fringe, but no matter how out there Fringe has been in the past, I’ve understood it in context and been able to accept and appreciate it for what it is. But this one… I don’t know if I can do that with this one. I understand the idea behind it, but despite that, it didn’t work for me. It felt forced, and more like one of those random ideas you throw around in brainstorming that you think sounds really clever and amusing on paper, but then when you actually put it together, it’s just lame and makes you wonder how you could have ever thought it was a good idea. Apparently it worked for some people, but for me, it just didn’t feel like the Fringe I know and love.
The child observer – Don’t get me wrong, I love the answers we’re getting and I’m intrigued by his return and apparent central role to this story. I would love if they would somehow reveal a connection between his mysterious role in Season 1 and his role now. But I have the hardest time with it not being the same actor. And I know it’s not possible to have the same actor as he’s aged and all, so he would no longer fit the role, but every time I see this current mini observer, it takes me out of the scene because he’s not the original. Being such a devoted Fringe fan, I know season 1 like the back of my hand, so in my mind, the original actor is the picture I associate with the character. It just doesn’t feel right having it be someone else. Again, I know it’s not really fair to use this as a complaint because I’m thrilled they’re exploring the character more and they really didn’t have any choice but to use a different actor, but it still bugs me.
The lack of follow through with Peter – Again, it’s a tough call because they did address it, but it still felt kind of superficial. I had expected more of a challenge for Peter to recover from his experience. I thought we would see him struggle to integrate back into the group, that we would see him disappointed with no longer being “omnipotent” but instead all we got was that he was embarrassed by what he did. It was sweet seeing him discuss it with Olivia, and I’m glad they had that discussion, but it felt lacking. It’s like he’s just back to normal with no adjustment or transition. It just seems a bit too easy, and consequently, it takes away from the impact of that whole story development. It makes it feel like an insignificant event that they did just because it was a neat twist, but I would prefer it have more significance to the overall story.
Now, all this isn’t to say that I didn’t like this episode. Quite the opposite – there were a lot of things I really enjoyed.
Past connections – I was delighted that they included so many references to past characters. It was great to see Carla and mini observer (I just can’t quite get used to calling him Michael, yet) and to have the unexpected “appearance” of Sam Weiss. Sad that he died, but nice to see that he had somehow been involved in helping the fight against the observers. It’s yet one more reason I would love for them to do some flashback episode to 2015 to show what was happening when the observers first invaded. But with four episodes left, I’m afraid we’re not likely to get that. Regardless, I was still happy that he was addressed. Now if we can just get September in there somewhere… I know the general conclusion is that he’s dead, but I just can’t accept that we’re going to end the show without our original observer.
As for Carla Warren’s return, this is one that was simultaneously wonderful and disappointing. I was so excited to see her again and to get some insight into the accident in the lab. I still have a hard time believing that a brilliant scientist like her could somehow mess up and cause a fire that ends up killing herself. I wonder if it’s possible that someone found her while she was setting the fire and then killed her and left her to die in the fire. At any rate, I loved seeing her again and I’m glad they found a way to include her in this final season. But I am a bit disappointed that she wasn’t really true to the character. Because she was representing a part of Walter’s mind – his fear of becoming the person he was when he crossed to the other side – she wasn’t really her. So we didn’t really get to see her or develop her character at all. It wasn’t really progressing that storyline. It felt like a lost opportunity in some ways.
Walter insight – I enjoyed the exploration of Walter’s current frame of mind. There’s been a lot of random references to his concerns about becoming the man he was before, and it’s been somewhat irritating, so it really helped to have it explained and explored in this way. I think this episode did a lot to develop that particular story and make it more intriguing and meaningful.
In general, I really enjoyed this episode. I thought it opened up a lot of ideas and connections and developed the story in a positive way. But there was just enough of the odd parts of the story that didn’t really sit well with me to prevent me from being able to feel particularly satisfied with this one. I think a large part of why I am so torn with how I feel about this episode is that so many of the elements of this episode – Carla, the reappearance of mini observer, the insight into Walter, the follow up with Peter’s recent experience as an observer – are things that I both liked and disliked. I have mixed feelings about the majority of the aspects of this episode, so I can’t quite figure out if I liked it or not…
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You summed it up perfectly, I feel the same way. There was such a big opportunity of answers from the past but they didn’t use it.
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John Noble was extraordinary on his Walter black blotter ride, and they took me back to the things I’ve been missing, but also made me appreciate less the Peterserver arc, because it took 4 hours and apparently no consequences on Peter at all. I still don’t get why so many hours on a plot that could’ve been showed and resolved within 2 or 3, but okay, I’ll wait for what they have for the final act.
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I kind of agree with you in some parts. The animated scenes are also not my preference. I liked Walter’s trip in general (the umbrella, the cow, the past scenes), but I just couldn’t get over that fairy! Why the fairy? Peter Pan?
But, unlike you I enjoyed the participation of the assistant, even if it were just a Walter imagination.
And, yes, I also wanted the ‘Peter observer’ plot to have a bigger meaning to the overall story. But, him going back to normal so fast, I think it is because there aren’t many episodes left, no time. Pity.
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In terms of the crazy factor, this did not outdo Brown Betty or LSD for me. Brown Betty will remain my favourite 19th episode.
But Black Blotter felt like the first real episode since the premiere in which our team officially reunited after the ambering. Peter is himself again, there is no more awkwardness between him and Olivia and they are all going to stick together now. So just the fact that they looked like a real family in this made me pretty happy throughout.
I can understand why some are disappointed Peter’s Observer arc ended abruptly and how it seems like an abandoned storyline right now (we can’t be sure until the finale to be honest) but in a 13 episode season this is the equivalent of an arc that would otherwise take up at least half a season. I am honestly glad the focus has shifted for the final few episodes. The plan is starting to come together and Walter’s arc will be the driving force of it. It feels right. Now I’m just waiting for a true final arc for Olivia…(you know, something exciting).
Peter and Olivia in the woods. Well done, Peter, she needed to hear that. Love that he has started calling her Liv again, I’ve missed hearing that.
When Wyman said he might be back I got so excited and this is what we get! It’s like the Simon thing all over again.
Poor Sam Weiss
Michael aka the mini Observer’s return has definitely made things interesting. He remembers Olivia and their special connection remains intact
Obviously, Etta can’t be replaced by an Observer child but I can see him bringing out parent-y Peter and Olivia. Fine by me!
Last scene was so great. Even though this Walter battling his demons story is something I think isn’t exactly fresh and gets tiring to watch at times, John Noble does make up for that with his fantastic performance. As always.
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One thing I don’t like is that they keep reminding us that this is a different timeline from the first three seasons.
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I kind of like that the writers aren’t ignoring the different timelines.
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The fact that “Michael” remembers Olivia and Peter even though they are from a different timeline leads to think (hope) that by the end the timelines will have merged.
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I just hope that the fact that he was called michael, was the next episode clue and september reappears next week!
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I want the boy to end up being September, but something is niggling me. Why didn’t the boy age in 20 years? I hope that will be explained, and if he didn’t age then will he ever age? If he doesn’t age how can he be September?
I think he already has tech implanted in his brain. I think the tech makes entropy slow down so that the Observers don’t seem to age. Perhaps Observers are a type of futuristic military of sorts. Certain individuals are chosen to eventually become one. I think there is a sort of picking process (maybe being a loyalist is part of it), and perhaps certain guidelines to becoming one. It could also be a forced enlistment too; Like individuals are picked then abducted, and implanted, then sent to a training facility. some are scientists, some are soldiers, some are officers, etc…
Anyway I think that children being implanted is not the norm. so there is something to that for sure. Like I said I hope Michael is September as a child, but the more I think on it the less I feel it will be as such. So I’m holding out that there will at least be some kind of connection to September and Michael. The ending of “The Inner Child” begs for that connection to be so.
Any thoughts on this subject would be welcome.
Originally posted: http://seriable.com/fringe-5-09-black-blotter-review/#ixzz2FQfD1TZq
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YES!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MERGE THE TIMELINES PLEASE!!!!
Merge the Season 1-3 timeline with the Season 4-5 timeline PLEASE! Then I can look back at Fringe as a great show! Not just a good one.
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I certainly don’t want them to pretend that we aren’t in a different timeline, but it just makes me miss the original Fringe team/show.
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Am i the only one who thinks that the Peter/observer arc will go on in a different way? In the first minutes of episode 9 he is still unable to sleep, like he did when he had the tech in his head. Then…the baby observer. He is “the boy” and his parents gave him a name, and this makes me think that september and the other 11 observers instead of call Peter with his name they always called him “the boy”. Even Bell called him “the boy” in “Brown Betty”. Not to mention that the past 15th episodes each seasons (like the 14th episode had something to do with olivia’s abilities) were mostly about the observers and Peter: “Inner child” (1.15) – “Peter” (2.15) – “Subject 13″ ( 3.15….In this episode the teacher of Jacksonville would give Peter the M&Ms, like Olivia did with the baby observer in “Inner Child” and then Walter in “Throught the looking glass..”) – “A short story about love” (4.15….Here Peter uses observer’s techs).
In this episode, Tinker Bell appeared behind Peter the first time, so i thought in that moment our Peter was Peter Pan. And who is Peter Pan? The boy who would not become adult. Does it have something to do with the baby observer who is still young? What if he is somehow connected to Peter, “the boy who lived to be a man”?
And what about the new promo, where Windmark says “the boy is important”?
He was probably talking about the baby observer but again it’s possible there is a very important link between him and Peter!
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Interesting thoughts… we will see!
I was kind of thinking he is September but they could just be trying to throw us off.
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OK, here is a real off-the-wall thought. Let’s assume that the child Observer is September. September had to save Peter, so that Peter and Olivia could get together, so that Olivia could save September in a dystopian future. Very circular in its approach, but very intriguing nonetheless. Recall in The Firefly, Roscoe caught up with the conversation of his son when September brought him forward 25 years. Maybe it is the same effect, with Peter and Olivia catching up with saving September. This is the other side of the equation.
All of this hinges on the child Observer being September as a boy, of course.
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Yeah I was kind of thinking that. Like they have to save the boy so September can manifest as an adult and help them beat the observers. Kind of terminator-esque but I can see it happening.
A lot of me thinking he is September is coming from looks alone. It seems like they’ve done this on purpose. I know they had to get a new actor to keep him the same age but even with the makeup I think they’re going that direction.
I haven’t been this season’s biggest fan, but this episode gave me hope!
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DeepRunner, I am thinking along the same lines, except
” September had to save Peter.. ” so that Peter can save September in the future. Now that would be a total mind fcuk !
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You know what killed off the original Dallas? When Bobby Ewing woke up in the shower! Please God, no, no, no, nothing like that for the end of Fringe, please, please please!
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I forgot to say that apparently the observers are immune to the timelines’s change. Same with peter when he came back in season 4!
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That is not really the same thing though. It seems the Observers aren’t confined to one timeline and can have memories from all the different timelines they’ve experienced.
Walter and Astrid only have memories from the this current timeline. Peter only existed in the original timeline so that is the only set of memories he has but he does know how the 2 timelines are different since his existence made all the difference. It is actually Olivia who is more Observer-like in this sense because she regained her original timeline memories and also remembers bits and pieces of the alternate one, I think.
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My only issue with this is the way they explained it in 4×15. Wyman used love as the reason and that was super cheesy. They said in 4×22 that Olivia was the fail safe. They should have gone back to that – it would have been way cooler and would have stayed with the mythology of the show and tied the fourth season back to the previous ones.
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I feel like timelines re-write themselves around the Observers. They keep on living and experiencing their own personal linear timelines, right on top of the mishmash of the re-written one. Like in 4×01 when the new August replacement, who seemed to be being trained by September, noted that Olivia didn’t remember Blue lincoln even though they had previously met. September replied with: “Much has changed.”
I feel like because of time-travel this kid will be September, and that all along we will have been watch him appear in and out if the show’s timeline, (which consists of two universes in two separate timelines) in a non linear way. I believe he, as a scientists himself, was going back and forth doing time experiments. Tweaking this and that to adjust an ending that will benefit his friends who saved him as a child. I feel like one of the fun things to do after the series ends will be to try and figure out the true linear timeline of September, and to watch the show in that order.
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There is also a scene where peter shoots at the loyalists and you can see in different perspectives a boat behind Peter with the writing “mater” with a covered letter, but i think it has made on purpose since i read this on wikipedia:
Mater (anatomy): The dura mater and pia mater are membranes surrounding the brain and spinal cord in humans.
Is that a possible clue about the damages the tech has done to Peter’s brain and we still have to see the consequences?
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Are you talking about Olivia’s memories? I can’t remember properly right now but I think she started getting them back due to the Cortexiphan. Never understood how but that is just how it is. A mix of love and Cortexiphan
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As much as I loved this ep I’m still waiting for more Olivia. I hope her arc is next. It better be!
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So what to make of Olivia & Peter not sleeping together?
I’m assuming they are not fully ‘together’ even though Olivia is very forgiven for Peter doing what he did. Also Peter put his ring on but no sign of Olivia’s.
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I think maybe it’s as simple as; The beds are too small, not to mention intimacy is a luxury they don’t have the time or energy for at the moment while they spend all day sneaking around finding pieces of a puzzle dreamed up by a scientist with a fragmented brain, and a presumably long dead rouge Observer.
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How realistic is that though? Did they lose their sex drive?
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No but do you stop to hump while running for your life, or for that matter while getting much needed rest after running for your life all day?
I would like to think survival, and the preservation of the world at large would trump a newly re-united couple’s respective libidos. There will be time for that once the world is saved.
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I dont know if I agree. Why wouldn’t they even just pull the cots together? I’m not saying they would be doing all night but a little bit of intimacy from them feels appropriate right now.
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Peter is having trouble sleeping. He tells Olivia that he is experiencing headaches. The man needs his space, and Olivia is there to comfort him. Nothing wrong with that.
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I also must point out that throughout the series actual intimate scenes of the two characters are kinda few and far between considering all previous seasons had 23 episodes. Yes we definitely saw the two kiss, and cuddle, and hug, but it has been spread over many episodes. Also ever since they both acknowledged their mutual affection, they still stop a kiss to answer their phones. (“6:02 am EST”) saving the world from unseen enemies has and always will trump their feelings about each other. They both understand this, and have since the beginning.
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I find it amusing how people shit kittens over something as tivial as whether or not Peter and Olivia share the same bed in a world where everything’s going to hell in a hand basket faster then it would take for them to ask Walter if they could use his bed to have some ‘cuddle’ time.
Honest to god, I don’t see why it matters. It’s not like the only way we know they love each other is if they’re spooning. Would it have been a treat to see on-screen? Okay, yeah, I’ll give you that. But ultimately, their sleeping arrangement is unimportant in the grand scheme of things, don’t ya think? Maybe they were so exhausted from fighting things emotional and physical in the last couple days, that they decided to crash on beds they left in the same way they were before their re-kindled romance.
It’s the end of the world, and living quarters, and situation, and overall life, doesn’t allow them the kind of comfort that cuddling allows. I bet you that despite wearing nothing but boxers, Peter’s packing a gun under his pillow and Liv’s packing two under hers. Why? Cause it’s the circumstance they’ve been forced into, and in the meantime, I doubt either one of them is doubting the other’s love simply because there isn’t a body part tucked into and under another. I’m sure they know, one day, when this is all over and they win, they can spoon for hours, but right now, there’s a hair trigger pointed at their everyday safety, so cuddling just isn’t up there on the high list of priorities.
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The fact that there relationship is happening off screen is a puzzle to me.
I don’t know why you think its odd that someone would question why they are sleeping separately.
The fact that Wyman could have easily had them sleeping together but did not is going to be questioned. Or the fact that Olivia’s wedding ring isn’t addressed yet Peter’s is back on.
I guess we shouldn’t wonder about that either?
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Wonder all you want, it’s your prerogative. I’m simply stating that the necessity of both is hardy pivotal. Besides, Wyman stated in an interview the question of Olivia’s ring will be addressed in a later episode… “It’s a very emotional thing for her” he’d said. So you don’t have to worry about that one.
And I know a lot of people don’t like how much off screen is to be taken in stride, and quite frankly, it would be nice to get more solid answers sometimes then what we’re given, but you know what, I love this show so much, that I don’t mind drawing conclusions from the tiny morsels of fact we’re given. We’re to assume, I suppose, that Peter’s put his ring back on because of their renewed relationship, and they’re sleeping in separate beds because, well, that’s just the way the room they’re sleeping in is set up as.
Ultimately, it just doesn’t matter in the overall big picture. They love each other, they’re married, they’re going to face the pain of losing their daughter together while fighting the biggest war of all time together. So if you think about it…who the f*** cares if they get to cuddle up at night? It’s not like it’s spooning that equals and shows love. It’s trust and acceptance that does that, and they’ve been showing that to each other for five seasons.
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You really seem to think you know it all.
If the show sets up their married couple in separate beds I’m going to question why the writers did that. It’s a tv show and one wonders why writers do the things they do. Like the fact that Olivia’s ring is MIA.
It may be addressed in future but we aren’t there yet so naturally one will question why Peter has his on and Olivia doesn’t!
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Okay, first of all, I don’t know it all. Please don’t assume that’s what I think of myself because it isn’t.
If I come off that way, I sincerely apologize, but ever since season 3, there are little petty things that people draw up that I get tired of hearing. Like I said, unless the argument is relevant to the end-all story, I don’t think people should be ripping their hair out over it. That isn’t to be said, that I don’t think there are things that could have been better explained or not conveniently ignored, but overall I’ve had faith in this show, despite how flaky it seemed at times, and ultimately, if proper attention is paid, the things that need to make sense do.
And you know what, I honest to god empathize with your point of view, I do. I can’t say that I didn’t think, “huh, I wonder why…” when the scene came on with them in separate beds, despite the fact that they’re hitched. But you know, I let it go, cause really I blamed it on their prior estrangement and environment, and yeah, sure, I’ll admit I want to know why it is Olivia’s ring is M.I.A, but since her and the beau are in a good place now, I’m more interested in how all the pieces of The Plan fit together.
The way I’ve always taken this show, is that in time, the answers will come. Unfortunately not always in the ways or through the means that we want them to, and not always in the ways that we think best. But at the end of the day, this show is what it is regardless…a damn good sci-fi seriable…damn good.
Again, I’m sorry, I don’t mean to attack your point of view, your entitled to it for sure.
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Thanks. I appreciate the apology but no need to. Maybe I took your response the wrong way. I understand we all get passionate about our favorite show at times.
It’s just at times I love what Wyman does and other times I hate what he does.
He constantly tells us it about the characters and he’s shown that it is and its the main reason why I love Fringe. But I just get frustrated because I think there’s so much more he could be showing us but he doesn’t. It’s frustrating to me. I’m not saying it should be all about P/O (Fringe isn’t that kind of show) but I do think he doesn’t give us enough. He asks the audience to assume too much at times where a line here and there would clarify important things.
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Nicely said . . . I couldn’t agree more! Thank you.
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The gang is bunkered down at the old Harvard Lab. They feel safe. First things first… solve The Observer problem.
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@ML, I think they did that intentionally to show us that they haven’t slept together since Liv was no longer a coffee table (I still lol at Markam’s wish of prince-charming Olivia). Maybe that kind of scene it’s planned for the latest minutes of the series, that’s all.
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This was my thinking as well. Why give us too much in thirteen episodes? Save the best for last, so to speak. I’m assuming that’s why Wyman didn’t give us a real-time POlivia kiss until nine episodes into the season, despite their “I love you’s” in episode 5. We did, however, get other little moments that held us over. But they’d been estranged for some months before the Ambering, so to expect them to suddenly be all over each other without applying a re-evaluation lens to the hows and whys of their relationship, would have a bit unrealistic, IMO.
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has anyone considered that maybe Peter’s thingie isn’t working as productively as he likes due to being stuck in Amber for so long lol. who knows what kind of effect it could of had on the guy
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LOL!, I wasn’t, but I am now….
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You think performance anxiety. I think Peter has something else on his mind, his brain. The Observer tech did something to him which he didn’t take into consideration. He started losing his emphathy and going full blown Observer. Peter needs time to recover.
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Ok you’re cracking me up now. “Unproductive Thingy” bad bandname,
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I’ll bet he had a massive case of “I gotta pee” when he got out of the amber, that’s for sure.
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lol I guess I never considered that one
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Yeah that’s what I’m thinking but with this being the last few episodes I wish Wyman didn’t feel the need to tease it out
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Fingers crossed for another WTW bedroom blue scene by the last episode of the series….gigiddy gigiddy…
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What a wonderful episode! I hadn´t seen such a genuinely brilliant Fringe episode in quite some time! The callbacks, the dynamic of the group: everything was absolutely great! Thank you, Fringe. And thank you again, dear Mr. John Noble, for your impeccable performance!
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I didn’t really like this episode. It felt like they wasted so much time, and by the ending I counted over what plot developments happened and the only important one was they got the child Observer. 42 minutes and that’s what happened, what went wrong?
Walter’s acid trip was unnecessary and not useful. Yes, the callbacks were wonderful from a character standpoint, but we got no new information, and that’s the reason Walter did it in the first place. Carla Warrens death always seemed iffy to me, as we never got truly clear answers for why it happened. So in that aspect, yes, we got a clarification of an answer, she died in the fire trying to burn Walter’s work. Walter finding his own work was perhaps the most disappointing moment of the episode. That book could have been full of helpful inventions, answers, and looks into his past. What we got to see was his portal device, an invention to make food come out of cans, and I can’t even remember the rest it was so useless. The whole time I was expecting to see maybe an early prototype for the device in Observer’s necks, providing another answer for their creation, but no it was just a wasted treasure hunt that took 10 minutes.
Again, from a character standpoint, that was good and all, but the reason Walter dropped acid (to get answers) did not actually give any answers. I see what they’re trying to do, making him face his past demons and bring about his old self, but honestly with only 4 episodes left to go and tons of explaining plus a plan that’s not put together, I don’t see how there’s time for this.
I also don’t understand how Walter knew the password the whole time. Donald never had a chance to tell him after he brought the child Observer to the man’s house, and they never decrypted the radio transmission. Am I missing something here?
The filming and everything that happened while he was tripping was great (seeing the fairy, the emerald city, and of course his Monty Python scene). That was done really well, but again, it used up 41 minutes of potential answers and major plot developments.
Having Sam Weiss fit back into the story was great and unexpected, but also unfortunately brings the “new timeline” issues and plot holes back into focus. Since the machine was in this timeline (that was never explained how…) then Sam Weiss’ family line had the original drawings and everything, and therefore he worked at the bowling ally and should have known William Bell and I’m sure should have met the characters regardless of Peter. It just feels so forced to have kept him alive and not have met any of them. This new timeline was such a major issue, and a part of me still hopes it will be resolved by the end of the series. I mean, the Child Observer can remember them from the other timeline, so in a sense it still exists through past experiences, and I’m sure there’s a way back there.
Without a shadow of a doubt I do believe the child Observer is September (jokingly clarified by his name being Michael, and the actor who plays September being Michael Ceveris). Michael shows emotion and love, and this would show why he cares so much about our Fringe team before the invasion. I know his adult self is confirmed dead now (from a tweet from David Fury) but I’m sure this is his child self, and they will need him. I wonder how an Observer can grow older then, if this kid hasn’t aged a day? Forced aging technology?
Anyways, great character episode, but slow plot and not enough developments for the end of the series.
8/10
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Like you, I was sort of hoping that Walter’s imaginary notebook would show evidence that the Observer tech was developed from some line of research that he (or he and Bell) initiated. That would have been a really cool reveal that would tie everything together. Still a decent episode even though they didn’t give as many answers as I hoped. I do hope that we find out who originated the Observer tech before this show is over.
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Yeah exactly, there seemed so much possibility in that book but it went to waste. Here’s hoping for answers! *cheers*
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I agree, ian S: it was a character episode. Not much answers.
IMHO, maybe I can clarify one of your questions: the machine in this timeline. I think it is a time paradox: the BBM wouldn’t exist without Peter and Peter no longer exists. But, that is what a paradox is. It can’t be explained and I don’t expect it to be explained in the show. I think I read this in one of Roco’s reviews…
Walter knew the password because he actually knew how to decrypt the code sent by the transmission. He knew it already, he just couldn’t remember it, but the acid helped him.
And I agree: the book finding could have been a great plot, like “the origin of the observers device”. That would have been awesome!
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Oh Fringe, the things you do to me. Once again, you deliver a spectacular episode that blows my mind without even a drop of LSD.
For all the greatness that this eppy was, I have to say Walter’s storyline intrigued me the most. Not only did we get coocky Walter in here, we got the deeply profound Walter who’s struggling with who he use to be, who he’s becoming again, all the while fully immersed in a fanatical Acid trip. The last scene was stunning, just beautiful, and the flashbacks gave me the kind of nostalgia that gets me all warm and fuzzy in an empathetic kinda way. It reminded me of the basis, the cause of a show that I’ve loved for the last five years. It also clued me in on where, exactly, the remainder of this season is headed…
To Reiden Lake, to the place where all of this began and to the selfish choice of a man who considered himself the same caliber as the gods. I’m going to assume that Peter’s rescue is going to hold a massive weight as the season finishes off. Not to mention the suspected episode title for 5×11 is “The Boy Who Lived.”. All this time, I’d assumed Peter was important simply because he was needed to activate the machine. It wasn’t until September’s head meld with boy wonder, that we realized the machine was created second-hand to fix said Observer’s time-line altering interruption. The BBM was the fix of a consequence only last-gen scientists foretold. I’m really, really interested in this story line overall. It did create this world we love, afterall.
Aww, Petey and Liv, it was really great to get a none-tense-un-awkward couple of moments between the two of you in this episode. Though I have to admit, upon watching the ‘woods’ scene in first viewing, I found myself wishing Jr. Bishop would have uttered something along the lines of “I’m sorry”, but then found myself at odds, again, with what I want to see and what actually is. It’s more then likely he’d already said his apology sometime ago in the hours after 5×08′s epic rooftop scene, which is a valid assumption given his wifey’s “Peter, you don’t have to say anything.” It also occurred to me on second watch, that after being married to someone for over 20 years, you become inclined to understand why they do the things that they do. It’s quite clear, here, that Peter doesn’t have to explain himself because Olivia’s more then aware of the many lengths his personality takes him. She’s seen his impulsive behavior so many times in the past, she’s able to allow herself understanding as it pertains to him not only here, but in the overall concept as to why he always does the Peter things that he does. She was always intuit to the feelings and emotions of other’s after all…. It was after applying this, I was able to re-watch the Connecticut scene in a different light, and actually appreciate the simplicity of it more.
Which brings me to the overarching tone of Olivia’s story-arc so far this season, an arc Wyman’s called ‘self-actualization’. I know I’m in the minority here, but along with Walter’s story, this is my favorite aspect so far. Besides ‘A Short Story About Love” we hadn’t seen too much of Olivia’s inner struggle with getting better at being in love. From the pilot episode, we’d been informed that she was ‘bad at it’, and throughout the years, we’ve seen her struggle with how her self-worth dictates what she feels she deserves. And again, it was brought up this season when she tells Peter she feels too conflicted to have been so happy for the time they were a family. But alas, all the self-doubt was put to bed in the last episode, when an Oracle anomaly all but tells her it’s up to Olivia to decide what to do with heartache, to decide what to do with the kind of love and in love she’s been blessed to have. And viola, meet epic rooftop scene where she tells her husband that they’re in this together for the long haul and she refuses to lose him again to all the yucky pain that keeps getting slapped in their faces. Personally, for me, Olivia’s character progression this season was not only necessary, but pivotal. It’s beautifully shown how she’s grown in the past five years, not with physical attributes as seasons past, but internally, with the kind of emotional confidence that comes with the revelation of knowing what you want absolutely, what you’ re never willing to lose again. And we all know her iron-clad will will, once decided, be carried out come hell-or-high water. I suppose this is why I haven’t minded at all that Olivia hasn’t been the main ‘hero’ this season, because this role-reversal of sorts has allowed us, the audience, to understand her thought process in ways we haven’t before. It’s allowed us to pin-point the struggle she’s had within herself the moment her child was snatched up from the fairy-tale life she lived in the kind of world that use to be.
Short story long, I loved seeing the different ways these two dealt with pain this time around, one on a quest for vengeance, the other on a quest to hold onto the only person she has left.
And did it hit anybody else’s “feel-good” bone, when not only did Sam Weiss appear in this episode (all be it a little decomposed), but the mention of a different time-line as well. With everything over the last five years that was conveniently never mentioned again, it was good to hear that this little-but-really-kinda-big aspect wasn’t washed away under the rug of ‘it just doesn’t matter anymore’. That felt really good to hear, that we weren’t drug through season four’s sometimes murky waters to be presented a year later, with an overall sense of an irrelevant, and forgotten major plot-point the whole season before. Needless to say, I wasn’t sure if they were going to validate everything we went through last season, but alas, it was confirmed as ‘actually’ having happened. lol.
And is it just me also, or is anyone else LOVING Anil’s character this season? I know he’s not in the forefront of the story, but really, where would they be without him so far? Every time he’s onscreen I have a stupid smile plastered across my face. And he admires the Fringe team and trusts them without question. Yeah, I like him…alot.
Praises aside, there was a wide cusp of dialogue I wasn’t thrilled with yesterday. Peter’s shocked “How is that possible?” after his wife’s just asked Jr. Observer if he remembers her. Needlessly, Liv repeats what we’ve been told over and over since season one, that Observer’s experience time differently then we do. I’d already put on my not-so-hard-to-come-by thinking cap way back in Walter’s Looking Glass, and assumed that little Michael had ways of remembering our team despite the time-line switch-a-roo. September did, after all, remember our team, as well as every other Observer we came in contact with in season Four. But I can forgive this overlooked obviousness because it’s not like our fab four talked directly to any Observer in season…oh, nevermind. Okay, so maybe if that scene went more along the lines of…Liv: “Do you remember me?”, Michael: nods head, Peter: “They don’t experience time like we do. Maybe they even experience altered timelines differently too.” Liv: “Well we know he does.”, then maybe it would have found a way to tuck itself into my ‘feel good’ complex, too.
Despite the aforementioned lack of redundancy, I appreciated how Liv was able to mention her late daughter with a smile on her face. Goes to show you a little bit of that emotional strength I’d mentioned way above.
Regardless of the one the thing I’d nit-picked in this episode, overall, I really did love it. I love where it’s put our characters in relation to each other as well as in relation to the progression of the story. It truly was great to get so much Fringe-ness out of one episode, Peter and Liv, Astrid and Walter, Walter versus himself, Walter in an Acid Trip, Little boy Observer, Sam Weiss, a mysterious signal, Walter and Peter, Astrid with a gun, Anil, decomp, a home visit as if they were on a ‘case’, an easy bake oven and a partridge in a pear tree.
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So happy that you are posting again Rae. Your observations (no pun intended) are as good as Roco’s
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This was actually the 2nd time they mentioned the different timelines. Remember in ‘Through The Looking Glass’ when they first see the Observer child, Olivia says to Peter that Walter may not remember him because of the different timeline.
So I’m happy to see that the writers aren’t trying make it as though S4 timeline change never happen.
Not sure I agree totally with you on Olivia. While I agree I love this more emotionally open Olivia, I need to see more. She needs her own story that isn’t just about her personal life. I need to see Olivia’s importance to the Fringe story again. I hope that is coming.
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The way I feel, Olivia is the Fringe story regardless of what context she’s portrayed in.
I don’t know, I guess that’s why this “Olivia in the background” isn’t bothering me so much this season. Because without her, well, quite frankly, this show would be pointless. Do I want to see her kick more ass in the last four eppys? Abso-frakin-lutely! But things being what they are, she’ll always be The Duhnamator no matter what.
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SSL ??
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OK, I’ll bite. What is SSL ?
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Short Story long
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Lol. Thank you.
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Forgot to ask if anyone else noticed the animated frog in the boat house as Walter and Astrid were walking through it? Caught it on my third watch. Funny as hell.
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Oh and if you listen carefully, you can hear WAlter ask Astrid…”Why are these mice shooting at us?” Obviously, we could ascertain how he was viewing the Loyalists through the lens of Black Blotter.
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I think I looooved it!, in fact when it was over, a f*ck no! came out instantly cause I was engaged with it.
I don’t know why they had to make 3 sets of story arcs + the crazy epi: 4-Etta 4-Peterserver 1-Stoned 4-End
I mean, why not 3 hrs? and make room for Walter’s beginnings or other flashbacks from the Observers or Nina or Bell but with more answers? I don’t think this story line has been were out or the Cortexiphan…
Anyway, this episode felt so good because it reminded me the very inner concept of the show. Now I appreciate more the title of “The Inner Child” from season 1 and I hope that’s where the end leads us…to the beginning of things.
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Well .. all in all … it was a strong episode .. maybe my fav for this season … yet am waiting for something to get me out of amber !!!
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The VHS hunt, killing Loyalists, using super-updated Observer guns, searching for high-tech pieces for The Plan to Defeat the Observers…is it just me or does anyone else think Fringe S5 would make an awesome video game??
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ill play the shit out of that game ;D
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Bald kid is clearly September ill be gutted if he’s not lol.
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I’ve been meaning to say this for a while now. Nice booty.
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A Rubenesque rump.
You just confirmed that you are a Renaissance Man Rick. Lol !
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Rick only you would comment on that lol :p
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I can’t believe that avatar has been around for two weeks and no one else said anything. I have been holding it in since I first saw it. LOL! I just had to!
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Lol . Between us, I said something to Roco. I thought it too risque for the young’uns.
But if he is ok with it, so am I.
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Ans Pee-Wee Herman said in Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure; “Everyone has a but(t)…”
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“As” not “Ans”
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Correction: “Dotty, everyone has a big but(t)…”
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lol I kept asking myself if I was really seeing what I thought I was seeing…didn’t wanna write a comment about a butt and then have everyone asking why I was commenting about a butt when it’s clearly something else…what is wrong with you shidey, get your mind out of the gutter kind of stuff lol..
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I’m an innovator. a trend setter.
To everyone: Let your butt comments flow. You are seeing what we are all seeing. It is a butt avatar! A very nice butt avatar at that.
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shidey17, what do you think it is ? (it’s clearly something else…)
It looks like a female badonkadonk.
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A Honky-tonk Badonkadonk!
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How’bout K K’s Kaboose. Lol !
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lol I thought I was seeing a butt tied up like a ham in some very skimpy lingerie (and I guess I was right)
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haha i was surprised to see that pic too i had to do a double take lol
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looking at it again i feel like its mastered the booty-tooch.. Tyra Banks would be proud
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I’m re-watching and Olivia’s face when she sees that ID!, spot on!… When Peter said he must be Donald, I was thinking…no way!, I would double check his identity like Liv did…and there you have it…another great character lost. So much for hoping he was Donald
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Still Brown Betty remains top, then LSD, then Black Blotter and last for me is Letters of Transit (felt like a whole different show even when the quality was extremely well done)
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for me it’s letters of transit, then black blotter, LSD and Brown Betty
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reversal LOL!, haa
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I would’ve liked brown betty much more without the singing…always makes me cringe…
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I don’t like singing shows either, but the story was gold!
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true, the story was great but I still just cant fully enjoy this episode because of the singing…sadly
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Sometimes I just mute it while I go put on some popcorn, lol… JK, they weren’t that bad! … I have the advantage of my love for Anna Torv and Olivia
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haha, I love her too but sometimes, love is not enough
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She should’ve sing that under The Panty Tank!, I bet that way you could watch it without cringing
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absolutely yes!
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I love that this crazy episodes takes out our radical taste of what we like or dislike most about Fringe. The ratings speaks for themselves, at least it was good entertainment for most viewers.
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The moment Nina said “You got the boy back. You’ve got to continue, you’ve got to keep fighting.” and Carla’s “There’s nothing to burn. You’ve been “him” longer than you’ve been you.” my mind went from “uh oh, Walter is still deciding if he goes to the alternate universe in the year 1985″ …. that just scared the hell out of me.
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That was my conclusion obviously after seen that cool frozen image of Nina trying to stop Walter from crossing over at Reiden Lake…
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OK, something funny is going on. The reply is bumping to the bottom.
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This episode was so strange, and it revealed so much
Too bad there are only a few episodes left
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I must say I thoroughly enjoyed watching this episode. The tripping Walter with the lab assistant was nice, Sam Weiss, P/O and Olivia with Michael. In the overall plan, we didn’t really find out much but watching the episode was very entertaining, at least to me. Olivia with kids is just awesome, especially this one who could very well be September.
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And now for something completly diferent: Walter on LSD.
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lol Surun!, now you’re both intrinsic and one cannot survive until the other is out of the loop …
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@Surun Tunne: That also means you just crossed over too.
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finally! I guess I’m going to mess some things up over here, just for fun!
I means what’s the worst that could happen?
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I will die a heroes death!
people are gonna be sad!
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It seems we can’t mess things up too bad, everything we do over here gets shoved into a new pocket universe.
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I am already noticing a few differences here…the reply button doesn’t seem to work!
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