FRINGE: 5.08 The Human Kind

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Olivia encounters a very intuitive and oracle-like person named Simone (guest star Scott) as she looks to recover a key piece of equipment for Walter. Meanwhile, Peter finds himself in a perilous situation as he observes Windmark (guest star Michael Kopsa) in the all-new “The Human Kind”.

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  1. meagn says

    Beautiful scene between Olivia and Peter!
    Also Olivia was badass tonight…used the bullet to kill that guy, then made sure she got it back. Ha! Awesome!

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    • Rick Terry says

      Twice! Well thrice if you count Etta hauling it around all those years so that it would compel her to search for her parents even after everyone else assumed they were dead.

      So yeah Thrice!

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    • RKron says

      Also gave this episode a 10 because it managed to make me cry. You deserved it, “The Human Kind”.

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  2. hsa says

    Beautiful final scene! Love Jill Scott and have not seen her since the Number 1 Ladies Detective Agency. FRINGE is going out with a BANG. Next week looks like a combination of a Brown Bettytype ep. and moving the story forward by discovering Donald. Love it!

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  3. SissySiri says

    Thank God Peter is back. I was so nervous about this episode. That scene at the end was like old times, I just hope this theme continues to the end.

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  4. Karo says

    Brilliant episode. It had everything I love about the show. And I loved the bit where Olivia replaces the tech in Peter’s hand with the bullet. Aww.

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  5. RedSportsCar says

    Gorgeous music scoring on the end Peter/Olivia scene too. The Observers synth stab fighting the warm woodwinds and horns… Never quite resolving. Very emotional and effective.

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  6. Rick Terry says

    So where are all the “Peter is September” idiots now? Huh? Where are y’all? LOL!

    Ok now that I got that out of my system, and really it had to be done, I can say that I loved this ep!

    I’m conviced that Walter is gonna build a giant LOVE machine to kill the Observers with kindness.

    All kidding aside I really did think this was a brilliant episode. The whole Peter Observer red herring was actually pretty genius in hindsight. I mean it actually gave us the viewers an uber dose of what the Observers are, and why they are, the way they are. It also brought out a theme of the son committing the sins of the father. John was awesome tonight in trying to convince his son, but the emmy for tonight goes to…

    …Anna Torv. She brought back the Dunhamnator! Those kidnappers just didn’t know who they had locked up, they never stood a chance! Rule number one, don’t lock up a BAMF without keeping your eyes on her. The bullet that saved the world indeed.

    I wonder if Peter will still try to kill Windmark at 5:14 tomorrow? I mean he does know that Windy is back on a path Petey wanted him on, so sure he can’t teleport
    to his “6″ and snap his neck, but he could certainly hide out and shoot him with a go faster gun right?

    Anyway, I can’t wait for next week’s it looks to be, as Walter would say, “Wonderful!”.

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    • _lost_stef_ says

      Anna Torv was brilliant it was like watching 45mins of pure magic!!!

      Anna looks sexy with scars…

      this episode was that good seriously im still squealing with excitement

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        • _lost_stef_ says

          i know right it seems as though every episode she is getting hotter and hotter (if thats even possible because she is hot) imagine by time we get to the finale… THEY ARE ROBBING US OF HOT OLIVIA IS SEASON 6

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            • _lost_stef_ says

              @SissySiri ahhh i know thats all that shall remain

              I hope Anna Torv gets another job real soon the world is being robbed of her gorgeousness if she isn’t on our tv screens weekly.

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            • ML says

              lol
              The long shot of her arriving to get the magnet. I thought I was watching Fauxlivia with that walk. Anna’s got a great walk

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              • Sam says

                The scars, jeans + t-shirt and sexy walk, you two are right on! But need to stop fangirling over my woman :P

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                  • ML says

                    Theory.

                    Most probably because guys would find Olivia plain looking and boring (Not something I can relate to because I think Olivia is BEAUTIFUL)
                    BUT most guys probably find FauxLivia exciting and hot.

                    So basically if Anna had played Faux since the beginning of Fringe, she’s have a lot more guy fans :)

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                    • _lost_stef_ says

                      I like this Theory ML… i find Olivia hotter then Fauxlivia anyways…

                      Olivia could never look plain and boring she is a classic beauty

                      damn guys have no taste

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                    • Sam says

                      I know there are guys like that and I think they are stupid if a change of hair colour is all it takes to suddenly make someone hot to them.

                      I’m the same as Rick. Our Olivia is simply the most beautiful version there is and always has been!

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    • Uncertainty says

      This episode was “kind” of poor. Excpet for kiskass Olivia being back, I really didn’t enjoy watching Peter getting rid of the tech. I WANTED THAT STORYLINE TO GO FURTHER.

      I only hope this show doesn’t end under the premise of emotions defeating science and tech. I really really hope they don’t do such a stupid finale, I want an emotional finale but not a stupid and unrealistic one like “there’s no logical explanation, I believe that’s what you call love”. Meh JW deliver us from that please.

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      • Rick Terry says

        I agree somewhat.

        To clarify; I can believe in the power of love as a catalyst to motivate the characters to defeat the Observers, but I will be pissed if a giant hug is all it takes to drop the oppressors. so love itself as a theme is not a bad one, but love as a weapon is lame.

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      • ian says

        Me too, uncertainty. I was sooo enjoying the dark side of Peter that when he took out the tech I was: aahhh, no, keep it, please, kill windmark!
        But I guess they will acomplish that through other ways.
        And, yes, I agree: no ‘love wins it all’ finale (like lost).

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  7. _lost_stef_ says

    OMG OMG OMG!!! That was so beautiful im still crying as i am typing this!! BEST POLIVIA SCENE EVER AHHHHH SO MANY FEELS!!

    Welcome back Olivia she was so badass tonight… i wearing my Dunhamnator Tshirt proudly.

    I cant get over that Polivia scene it was so much more then i could have hoped. God damn this show i cant handle the emotions, so many emotions (YES WINDMARK I GUESS THAT MAKES ME WEAK)

    ‘The Bullet that saved… Olivia & Peter’ Etta even though she is gone she is still here with them.

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    • ML says

      I’m glad the tech is removed. With only a few eps left we needed to see the team working together a few last times and Peter needed to be himself again for that to happen!

      I really enjoyed this ep. I was thrilled to see Olivia focus again and Anna never disappoints when she’s in focus. I just love watching her, especially in action scenes.

      I’m a big P/O shipper so I loved the last scene. I had no doubt Olivia would get thru to Peter. This is Fringe we are talking about. Wyman is a big ole romantic and I love him for it. :))))

      One thing I was disappointed in was the Peter and Windmark fight. It looked too computer generated so I didn’t find it very interesting to watch.

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  8. number six says

    Wow, that was boring! Except for the Peter/Windmark fight and Olivia’s escape, everything else was kind of meh!

    Peter and Windmark playing each other would have been more interesting to watch if the Observers had more than 2 speeds, Speedy Gonzalez and tortoise, and Olivia’s escape would have been more impressive if her captors hadn’t made it so easy for her. I’m surprised they captured her in the first place, they were that dumb!

    I thought the scenes between Simone and Olivia dragged endlessly with those long pauses and significant looks, every time after they uttered each line. Their new-agey conversation was one of the most boring ever, because they didn’t talk about anything they haven’t hammered on in almost every episode this season.

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    • Drenami says

      I see what you are saying about the Olivia/Simone scenes, but I really liked Olivia’s last speech to her right before she drove off. :)

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    • ian says

      I agree, number six. I don’t know about you, but I was enjoying the dark path the series was taking, unlike most posters. Maybe that’s why I didn’t think it was awesome. I thought it was very boring. Only liked the scenes of Walter and Olivia with Peter.
      But, I disagree with your comments on her escape: I was very impressed with her cleverness (one of the best moments). Using a bullet in a ‘pressure kind of gun’ was very cool.

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  9. M says

    They’ve done a great job with P/O this season. I was an anti-shipper all through seasons three and four. All is not lost.

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  10. 134sc says

    10/10 without question. Best episode of the season. It was fantastic, I think it may be one of my favorite episodes ever.

    Next week is the beginning of the end with only 5 episodes left and if this one is any indication, we are in for one hell of a ride.

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  11. says

    This was excellent writing and excellent acting.
    A very powerful and emotional episode, where love conquers all.
    Windmark has an equal in Peter, but now that he’s without tech, we’ll have to see.
    His act of love, by removing the tech was one of the most beautiful things in the entire series.
    These last 5 episodes can only get better. :)
    10/10

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  12. The Watcher says

    Did anyone else notice in certain scenes Walters right eye would almost flicker or go to a class eye?

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  13. James says

    Jill Scott was good but I found the lack of explanation annoying.

    You can’t introduce a character like that and give no explanation for their ability.

    It reminds me of 4.03 with the god-awful fungus and we never found out where it came from and why it was there.

    At least make Simone a cortexiphan kid or the daughter of one or something. It would explain why Walter trusted her mother with the magnet.

    It was a very slow episode, I found myself fidgeting a lot. Maybe I was too hyped up after three weeks of waiting but it didn’t hit the mark for me.

    It just feels like padding until we get to the good stuff at the very end. I just worry that the last couple of episodes will be jam-packed and seem rushed for it.

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  14. Sam says

    I LOVE YOU TOO, OLIVIA. (the ILY she whispered right at the end was to me and no one can convince me otherwise, okay?).

    Simone aka the so called Oracle was rather disappointing as she had no useful information to offer us. Couldn’t even tell us who dropped off the magnet! But why do I have a feeling it was Donald not Walter?
    Still, she managed to make Olivia pretty paranoid with just a glass of water so I applaud her for that :P Seriously though she gets cautious around an innocent woman who’s been nothing but helpful and even pulls her gun on her but just moments later goes and falls for that trap. *facepalm* At least she made up for that with that badass escape! And it’s about time we see the consequences of being a fugitive. People WILL recognise you and try to hand you over to the Observers.
    Olivia’s death last season is turning out to be a great thing this season because that bullet has so much emotion and meaning attached to it now. I like that it keeps coming in handy.
    I liked their conversation just as Olivia was getting into the truck. She called herself an anomaly :( And then started listing all of the super cool things she’s done because of Cortexiphan. Why you gotta make me nostalgic like that?! I hope this is a sign that we might see her do some of those things again soon!

    Peter and Windmark’s fight looked more awesome in the promo. So glad the tech is finally out of his head, he will be back to his normal self and we can put all the crazy Peter is September / Windmark / he will die if the tech is removed theories to rest. People didn’t realise he probably viciously cut into that Observer’s neck to remove the tech when they saw all that blood in An Origin Story?
    The last scene was very touching and I haven’t felt this bad for Peter all season. The way he fell into Olivia’s arms after removing the tech, poor guy :( I am going to ignore the absurdity of him just cutting into his neck whenever he wants to put tech in or remove it because Anna and Josh were so great in that scene so I don’t want to nitpick right now.

    I had expected Walter to freak out over Peter the way he did in season 3 with the whole Machine thing. Pleased to see he didn’t, kept it together and tried his best to help Peter. He has come a long way :)

    It took 7 episodes but the Olivia I know and love is finally back in full swing. Excited to see where we go from here now.

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  15. ML says

    I would love to get a bit Cortexiphan-Olivia back! Not the crazy “setting things on fire”-abilities but the season 2 and 3 abilities! The Observers wouldn’t expect this!

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    • Sam says

      Same here! Though I wouldn’t mind if she were to set Windmark’s head on fire :P. I think Cortexiphan could actually be more powerful than the Observers’ tech. You remove a baldy’s tech and he’ll lose his abilities but Cortexiphan leaves behind a biological signature even if its all used up.
      Imagine: Observer teleports to escape? Cortexi kid jumps to another universe.

      Does anyone else find it funny how slow the Observers seem to be when they are just out and about? Even though they’re supposed to have super speed and everything. I guess they operate at 2 speeds only lol either really fast or really slow.

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    • DeepRunner says

      Maybe her list of things she has done, talking to Simone, was an Easter Egg for one of the last. five. episodes. And seeing Olive setting Windmark on fire would pretty AWESOME.

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      • FringePhile says

        That would be awesome! Maybe Peter will “snap” his neck and then Olive will set him on fire :-)

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      Yeah, Cortexiphan totaly beats that Observer tech! For one, it doesn’t completly wipe out your emotions, it just makes you a bit paranoid.
      And in Brave New World, P2, September couldn’t catch that bullet from the go-faster gun, and Olivia could.

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  16. Victor says

    Man…those last few minutes were awesome with Olivia, peter and the flashbacks! And I know this is acting but Anna made me BELIEVE what she was saying as if was actually happening somewhere!

    Anyways, something that I noticed, is there a reason why the women in the crowd have hairstyles and hats from like the 1940′s lol?

    I hope that after Fringe is over we get the pleasure to see her in other roles!

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    • Rick Terry says

      I figure those 40′s looking women are the wives/girlfriends of the Observers. I think they like their women like they like their suits…Simple classic, and from the mid 20th century.

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    • Rick Terry says

      I figure those 40′s looking women are the wives/girlfriends of the Observers. I think they like their women like they like their suits…Simple classic, and from the mid 20th century.

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  17. DeepRunner says

    Good eppy. With some pretty cool stuff:

    * Olivia! Welcome back to the Dunhamnator! The opening scene where she sees the street cleaners trying to scrape away images of Etta–trying to remove memories of her was a cool foreshadowing to the end scene and her talk with Peter. Interesting that she told the boy who was “erased” that she would not let Etta be. Her dialogue with Simone reminded us of ALL the things Our Olivia has done over the five seasons. It was EXCELLENT to hear that list.

    Plus, the fight scene with the two bounty hunters, and the scene in the warehouse where she goes all MacGyver and creates a weapon was an interesting twist. The Bullet That Saved The World became the bullet that saved Our Olive. Her last scene with Peter was a subtle callback to September saying, “I believe you call it…LOVE.” And The Bullet That Saved Our Olive became The Bullet That Brought Peter Back From The Brink. Olive, good to see you back.

    * Peter! From the man from the blue timeline, to the man with the (justifiably) deep, cobalt blues over his daughter, to the man with blue vision, to the man who returned to his true blue Olive. Joshua Jackson did a great job. Peter telling Walter that he of all people should understand (even be covetously lustful of) the ability to harness the untapped potential of the human mind (the Human Kind?). His showdown with Windmark was very much Luke meeting Vader or even Sidious.

    At the end scene Peter’s cold, calculating description of snapping Windmark’s neck and his countdown to Windmark taking “his last breath” was pathological and not a little eerie. His final scene with Oliva…Kudos to Wyman for the flash of memories which was a callback to Peter getting into the machine and inspired Peter to stop becoming a machine. And it was a HUGE nod to shippers.

    * Windmark! In his fight scene with Peter, you can almost hear The Emperor cackling, “Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.” His manipulation of Etta’s last memory to taunt Peter as he thought he would be able to kill him was wickedly cruel and wickedly cool. He and Peter will cross paths again, and the fight will be even better.

    * Walter! How many times fathers have tried to talk their sons down from the ledge, and how many times they have failed. His plea to Peter that he needed him fell on barren ground. Walter was a background character again this eppy. Classic that he was able to render another version of his sidekick’s name. Which leads me to…

    * Esther! I feel bad for Abner. Because Agnes doesn’t get much screen time. Because Astro does not have meaningful dialogue. Because the Ostrich we remember from Seasons 1-4 has become so marginalized. Give Asteroid SOMETHING TO DO. Claire is part of the Bishop family, and The Bishop Brigade. Alex has been relegated to the sidelines. It’s a shame.

    * Simone! You were this episode’s Cecil. A nice secondary character.

    There were moments in this eppy which dragged a little, but for the most part, pretty good, and just as Peter reset Windmark’s path, Wyman has now reset the story toward its last. five. episodes. (I can’t believe I am writing those words.)

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    • says

      DR: lol . . . Esther, Astroid, Abner, Claire, etc. — Loved it! I agree totally that Walter’s #1 sidekick gots to be given more to do before this show is over.

      Very good episode. I love Olivia, so happy to see her in the forefront. Anna Torv is just a terrific actress and JJ has mad skills. :-) Actually, Josh was wonderful in his scenes with Anna Torv in season 4, specifically “Better Human Being” probably my favorite shipper episode next to Friday’s. :-)

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  18. says

    Really good episode. I love anything that features Peter and Olivia. :-) However, as much as I liked this episode, I feel like Peter removing the Observer tech from his head was a bit too simple. I think there may be some residule left and we haven’t seen the last of Peter the Observer. I’m not sure, but in the preview it looks like he finds the tech on the ground which worries me. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

    I’m so happy for those that have been missing BAOlivia that her badness was on full display. I LOVED that she refused to give up on Peter. As lovely and tender as the scene was, Olivia was quite forceful. JJ is doing a wonderful acting job this season. I loved as his expression went from expressionless to emotional, almost tortured.

    I thought some of the dialogue was a bit clunky which surprises me because
    I love Alison the writer who wrote the episode. With that said, I thought the Simone and Olivia scenes were good. It was almost like an awakening for Olivia–she is now FULLY engaged. She now has her feet beneath her, so to speak. I loved when she told Walter ‘Im going to honor Etta and continue with your (Walter’s) plan.’

    As much as I’m loving this season, I feel uncomfortable. They are our Fringe characters, but yet different–not in a bad way, but just different. I think that is how Wyman wants us to feel. I little disoriented–like our team seems to be feeling. Ever since Etta’s death, there has been this feeling of emptiness–disjointed maybe.

    I think this episode was really about Olivia’s ‘return’. Her conversation with Simone woke her up. In an interview, Anna Torv said that Simone would help Olivia break her pattern of emotionally shutting down (my guess). I have loved the emotionally available Olivia this season and look forward to seeing that emotion coupled with her badass-ness. :-) 8.5/10

    I may have more to say or a better rating after a re-watch. I just LOVE this show. I will miss it.

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    • ML says

      I did feel too simple the way Peter removed that tech but I hope its not all leading to something bad for him. I can’t take anymore angst heaped on Olivia and Peter!

      I also love an emotional Olivia getting thru to Peter. Who would have thought this character from S1 would be giving speeches about emotions. Olivia has come a long way.

      I feel she still has to deal with her abilities though not sure if its just something I want to see or something that will be addressed given Olivia’s speech.
      Anna said Simone would help Olivia break a pattern but now I’m not sure if Anna meant Olivia’s emotions or Olivia dealing with her abilities in a positive manner.

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    • runthegamut says

      Peter’s almost bloodless brain surgery really killed any good feelings I had for this episode. We saw how deep the thing went into the dead brain. How did he reach in with his fingers and get it out? Why wasn’t he bleeding out? It was way too simple. I was kind of hoping for a good old fashioned angst fest to get him back, so I hope he doesn’t just bounce back to normal next episode.

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  19. Ben says

    For one horrible moment part of me thought Peter was about to stab Olivia when he got that knife out near the end!

    Brilliant episode, I’m glad Windmark didn’t die as it would’ve felt a bit too soon IMO!

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    • Sam says

      LOL I got a little worried too.

      I was hoping he wouldn’t die. This is good because we’ll probably get a seriously epic showdown in the finale. It will be all the more intense and satisfying as there won’t be a level playing field and maybe Olivia will also join in.

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      • Ben says

        Yeah exactly, I think Windmark has been a really compelling antagonist, and if he’d died they’d have needed to introduce a new Badserver boss before the season finale in my opinion.

        As it is, things are setting up really nicely for an epic showdown! Already can’t wait until next week, seriously what is my life coming to haha!

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  20. SissySiri says

    I also notice the clothing that people are wearing in 2036, it looks like stuff from the 1950’s. I find it fascinating how they have moved the show ahead, yet the people have moved backwards in that regard anyway. In this episode, there were many pedestrian shots, I noticed all the women were in skirts or dresses, not pants. I found myself focused on their clothing, hats, hairdos, and shoes. Fantastic!

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    • Victor says

      I noticed that too, good to know I wasn’t the only one. Maybe your right, it suppose to symbolize the oppressive nature of being under observer rule and how under oppression people tend to dial down their expression of one self and one way that is done is through clothing. Individuality is a notion the observers did seek to want to eliminate. Very well done….I see Fringe is making me put some of those english classes to good use, LOL!

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    • Simah says

      It reminds me of the episodes about Walters father. With the nazis and seahorse. The episodes refers to the 1950′. Maby it has something to do with each other?..

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    • JaniceLG says

      The 30s/40s clothing have been in every episode since 501 (and maybe 419). Seems to be that Loyalist where this type clothing.

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  21. TheGreenBean says

    Loved it peter is back. Music score at the end was perfect.I hope the last ever scene has the score from the first episode (Sunshine-John Murphy)
    In it’s own way it hooked me to the show lol.
    I can’t believe it’s going to end QQ

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  22. ML says

    So how to take Olivia’s speech about her abilities? It was very sad so do you think by the end of the series we will see Olivia accept her powers?
    I feel we sort of need to see that.

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  23. Castle says

    I may have been coincidence, but did anyone else notice when Peter was talking to Olivia that he said he would snap his neck at 5:13?

    Maybe foreshadowing a gruesome end for Windmark in the finale? Or maybe I’m just looking way to into things haha.

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    • JaniceLG says

      Yep, first thing I thought of was episode 512 and 513 when he gave those times. But 514 is when he will take his last breath. Would not be surprised if Peter does in fact kill Windmark in the end. Not sure he’ll snap his neck but will be responsible for his death somehow.

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  24. Cortexiphan Kid says

    When are those idiots finnaly going to learn, that kidnaping Olivia Dunham is a bad idea?!

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  25. FringeSci says

    Am I the only one who didn’t really like this episode? Don’t get me wrong, the Windmark/Peter fight was great and the final scene between Peter and Olivia was great, but all the scenes with Olivia didn’t feel right. It was good to see Olivia back in action, but all of her scenes felt like they were in the wrong episode. They didn’t feel like they belonged. Maybe this episode will be better on a rewatch as I feel like if I knew what the episode was trying to accomplish then I would like it better. For now though, I think it deserves a 7/10.

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    • ML says

      Simone helped save Olivia’s life reminding Olivia of Etta’s bullet. I also think Olivia’s sad speech about her abilities will be addressed in a future ep so I found her interactions with Simone very interesting. I hope it will be addressed since it does seem as though that thru this long arc of Olivia’s and she’s never accepted her abilities as a positive thing. Maybe she will by the end?
      I’m a big Olivia fan so bias when it comes to her so I admit to loving her scenes in this ep.
      “I’m done with the parlor tricks. I want my truck and my magnet now.” I loved that

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      • FringeSci says

        I definitely understand why someone would like these scenes, but they didn’t work for me. Simone had abilities without any explanation and it just doesn’t really make sense that Walter would have left this very important magnet with some strangers that apparently matter very little. Sure, she talked with Olivia and made her remember Etta, but Olivia was already remembering Etta and she already knew she had to save Peter. This episode could have been better spent by actually having further relevance, answering our questions, and furthering the story. It just seems like we can’t afford these types of episodes this late in the game (and I’m saying this as a person who actually liked the Recordist).

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        • ML says

          Yeah I hear you. I’m sure you are no the only one feeling this way. People just want answers.
          But Joshua Jackson explained how the season is divided into arcs and you definitely feel that this was the end of Peter’s Observer arc. Not that it may not come up in another way in future but Peter with tech in his head is complete.
          Wyman has said that he wants us to get inside the characters heads and feel what they are feeling so that’s what these eps do.
          I know everyone wants to get to the answers and I do too but clearly the team figuring out the plan is being saved for the final arc of the show.

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        • says

          I thought that Edwin Massey in The Recordist carried on his father’s tradition, just like Simone did for her mother. They both helped in the long run, don’t you think.

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        • Simah says

          Someone posted this on Facebook and it made me think.. could it be??

          “Maybe it’s Simone Wells, Nina’s “friend” , who write the books about First people..? look to s02 & s03 ”

          I’m still wondering, who are the First People? The observers from the 1950′? Walters dad? I’m soo overthinking everything I guess..

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          • James says

            The First People were Walter, Peter, Astrid and Ella.

            They created the machine and then sent it back through time.

            This is why Astrid could decode the number stations in 3.06, she had already conceived them.

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    • says

      FringeSci: I probably liked this epi better than you as I thought it was a good episode. I liked it alot, but I kinda get what you mean about Olivia and her scenes not quite fitting. Nonetheless, I love the Olivia character and Anna, so anytime Olivia gets more screen time, I’m happy.

      I’m going to stick with my earlier rating 8.5/10.

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      • FringeSci says

        After a rewatch I definitely like this episode a lot more. While not not as good as some of the other episodes, it still is probably a 8/10 or maybe even a 9/10.

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  26. Ian S. says

    I rather liked this episode, but I definitely understand people’s distaste towards it. I thought it got off to a slow start, but once Olivia went to get the magnet things got interesting. The talk between her and Simone was really interesting, I loved Olivias “it’s all numbers, they’re just better at the math.” It really brought out her character (and being an Agnostic myself, her speech spoke a really human non-religious truth I believe in). I’m definitely on her side, we’re not going to win the fight against the Observers with any kind of faith, everything they do will have to be calculated. Simone didn’t come off an annoying kind of religious person, and to some people I think their conversation was more about Olivia getting more faith in things, but I think it accomplished more in asserting Olivia’s “time to get sh*t done boys” attitude. There’s no more time to mess around, and that was concluded perfectly with Peter returning back to his human origin.

    Peter was disrupting their plan and putting the whole team at jeopardy, it was selfish what he did. He nearly killed himself, and at this point the death of one team member could mean the death of the world. Olivia and his conversation at the end was so heartwarming, and the memory flashes reminded me of characters “remembering” on Lost. It was really nicely done.

    The fight scenes were so lacklustre I couldn’t believe it. Honestly, they were just done so poorly. Peter and Windmark’s “battle” was so underwhelming, it was the low point of the episode for me. It just could have been done so much better. I’ve been having complaints about the editing this season, the way they’re putting scenes together sometimes frustrates me. I don’t know if anyone noticed it, but there’s a ton of quick cuts and although that’s gotten better as the season went on, I feel like the last emotional beat of a scene is sometimes missing.

    All in all, this felt more like a set-up episode for the final run of the season. The tapes are almost all done, and once all the pieces of the plan are together our team can finally figure out how they all work. I’m interested to see that, because so far we have some powerful rocks, an electromagnet, a child Observer, and a chart of advanced physics. I think Walter said there was 8 tapes, so that’s only half of the plan done. Seriously, Roco, you should hold a contest to see if anyone can figure out what everything will do together!

    Can’t wait for next weeks, things look like they’re finally all coming together. Oh, and the answer for why Observer’s feel no emotion? Spot on perfect. I love the little answers we’re getting, they just feel so satisfying. Now if only they could finally answer why there’s no women… (Wyman said that would be explained). Next time, perhaps.

    8.5/10

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    • Rick Terry says

      I’m tellin ya, Walter is gonna build a giant hug machine to embrace all the Observers in warm tender love.

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      • SissySiri says

        Rick . . . .
        Did you see the promos for next week? Follow the yellow brick road or what!?!? Maybe there will be Munchkins or the Observers will have trouble with Tribbles who will hug them to death. Ha, ha, ha. :-)

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    • ML says

      yeah I was disappointed in the Peter/Windmark fight. It needed to be more epic and it wasn’t. It looked too computer graphic which isn’t all that interesting. His previous fight in the last episode was better handled.

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  27. 134sc says

    As much as I liked this episode and the season for the most part, I really hope they explain more about the observers in the final 5 episodes. As of right now there is still a lot about their motivations and their abilities that don’t make sense, when put into context of the first 4 seasons.

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    • Rick Terry says

      The Observers of season 1-4 were just a science team. They were there to report back to the rest of their kind. They didn’t know that their kind was looking for the best possible timeline to infiltrate and take over. It has been suggested that September was totally in the dark regarding the invasion until he got free from the stasis runes and went to the future to see what he was talking about when he told Olivia about her future. I know the show has not shown us this, but according to Wyman, and David Fury’s twitter feeds this is what it is.

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      • 134sc says

        Thanx for the info, that makes some sense, but how bout this: based on your explanation why did the observers want Peter erased?

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        • Rick Terry says

          Because he was supposed to not exist as an adult in this timeline, is the short answer. The speculative longer answer would be: The higher ups of the Observers told December to make sure that Peter didn’t exist anymore. My best guess for the reason for this is that they needed a timeline that did not include a war between the universes to do their invasion.

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          • ian says

            Yes, but I still don’t get 1 thing: why did they have to erase Peter entirely? Considering your theory Rick, all they had to do was just bring Peter back to the other universe, not delete him completely. they said: “he never should have existed”.
            Don’t get me wrong, I totally think the bad observers were behind Peter’s dissapearence, but I think this should be adressed clearly (not like in Lost, implicitly). Like some hint that Windermark always knew about Peter…or otherwise!

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            • Rick Terry says

              I guess I didn’t express it clearly enough. My apologies. What is boils down to is; Peter actually living on the blue side is what perpetrates the war between the universes, not necessarily the act of taking him from the other side itself. As we saw in season 4, Walternate was over it assuming his son died, He was angry at Walter for taking him, but in a way he understood why. Conversely in season 3 Walternate felt his son was alive somewhere, proved to him by Olivia jumping into the redverse as a young girl. This is, I believe the catalyst for the war. This is one of the fundamental things that didn’t happen thanks to Peter dying as a child.

              I believe that the War between the universes was what caused a giant causality loop with the machine and Peter, but it is also a paradox, as Walter mentioned, because I also believe that it was the act of the machine being sent back into the far past that diverted what was once a single universe into two parallels, so long story short it was the mere presence of an adult Red Peter living in the blue universes that caused all the temporal mess to begin with, and the reason that it was a temporal mess is because it prevented the invading Observers from having a suitable spacial-temporal location to actually invade. Thus the reasoning for the higher ups wanting any traces of an adult Peter to be completely erased from the new and untainted (by Peter) timeline. This would assure their ability to invade as planned.

              Where it gets funky for me is questioning why they still invaded since Peter was allowed to re-emerge?. I believe they were just being proactive in trying to erase Peter. It seems though that Peter didn’t lead them into a war so it was unfounded. Perhaps there was even further foresight into what has yet to happen to them in 2036.

              It seems now that September changed his allegiance as soon as he figured out the head Observers’ plans to invade. He then focused his abilities into helping the Fringe team stop his cohorts in the future. This is what led to Etta, and eventually them getting out of amber, and the resistance, et al.

              Anyway I hope this clears up some of my thinking on the issues, and perhaps the show will go into it a little bit.

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              • ian says

                Wow, you right too much, rsrs!
                I get your theory as complex as it is. But it has a hole that you yourself mentioned: the observers still invaded despite Peter existing.
                I am more and more convinced that the 3 previous seasons actually have no relation (or very little) to the last 2. Why? Some hints are: 1st: the observers still invaded; 2nd: Windmark didn’t know who Etta was; 3rd: Windmark didn’t know about Peter becoming an oberver; 4th: it explaines the reset in season 4; 5th: no more cortexiphan story (Olivia lost her abilities); the constant referrences to earlier episodes.
                I realize that the constant refferences can go both ways: the writers are trying to link all seasons, or the writers are giving us hints.
                I’m like you Rick: I really wished there was a major connection and storyline between all seasons, explaining why things happenned the way they did. But, I don’t see it going that way and am preparing myself for a less bombastic series finale.
                Now, I wrote too much, LOL!

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      • Briar says

        They didn’t know because at that time the Observers were just that: Observers. This whole desperately derivative and stale Invasion story (now we have The Matrix meets The Terminator – what a ragbag of rip-offs from better creations) was dreamed up because, after the great finale of Season 3, the writing team were out of ideas. Flat out. And they are still out of them. All that remains is the characters and the relationships between them. Here’s hoping they don’t screw these up, as they have screwed up the alternative universe storyline which worked so well in seasons 1 to 3.

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          • Red Balloon says

            I kind of relate to this Briar, at this point, even when the Etta and Peter arc were somehow cool, it isn’t enough to come close to the wonderful the parallel universe epic theme. “Pilot”, “The Arrival”, “Ability”, “Bad Dreams”, “The Road Not Taken”,”There’s More Than One Of Everything”, “Momentum Deferred”, “Grey Matters”,”Peter”, “Jacksonville”, “White Tulip”, “The Man From The Other Side”,”Over Ther Part 1″, “Over There Part 2″, “Olivia”, “Do Shapeshifters Dream Of Electric Sheep?”, “The Plateau” “Entrada”, “Marionette”, “The Firefly”, “Subject 13″, “LSD”, “6:02 AM”, “The Day We Died” and in between fantastic Monster of the week episodes… in short, all of the Pattern and ZFT are the best of the best I’ve seen from any show. Right now I’m only watching because I want to know how my favorite character will end, but I’m not as hooked as I was before. I enjoyed Season 4 for what it was, each and every episode had its neat developments, but I enjoyed it most of all because of the alternate characters and because of Olivia’s new facets but I could very well extract Season 4 without loosing myself now.

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              • Red Balloon says

                Me too, in fact, if I have to tell the whole story, then I would add from season 4 “Neither Here Nor There”, “One Night In October”, “Subject 9″, “And Those We’ve Left Behind”, “Welcome To Westfield”,”The End Of All Things” “Back To Where You’ve Never Been”, “Brave New World, Part 2″ and from season five “Transilience Thought Unifier Model-11″, “In Absentia” and “The Bullet That Saved The World”, “An Origin Story” and “The Human Kind” though on second thought, maybe I would leave out the Peters Observer arc…it depends on whats next :p All in all, they’ve done an amazing job with the series, it’s just that this last season, everything is on the schedule and so they aren’t giving us enough time to process the mysteries, they’re are almost immediately resolved, but that comes with the territory of this been a short final season :(

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        • Rick Terry says

          I know some spoilers, and I won’t say anything in particular, but lets just say; Be patient, all your concerns will be addressed in one way or another. Having seen what I have seen, I have the feeling most of the action for this season, and even the series, will begin to unfold after the 9th episode.

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        • _lost_stef_ says

          oh i cant wait to see some of the things i have seen in the rest of the episodes exciting stuff… and some nice people call it crap

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  28. shidey17 says

    This season is just not doing it for me….

    I enjoyed the first 2 episodes…and then especially 4, and 5 was pretty good. I didn’t see any real value in 2 or 6, aside from a couple emotional moments with Olivia and/or Walter.

    I just feel like there should be so much to do and see and explain in this shortened final season that nearly every episode would be packed with stuff….but it’s just not. A lot of the scenes are boring and they just recycle the same stuff over and over again.

    The Peter as Observer thing could have been really cool but I think they were a little too unsure of it to really jump off the deep end and run with it. It may have been disappointing to some viewers, but I never really felt like he was in any danger…I knew Olivia or Walter would convince him to remove it.

    Now that I’ve seen the preview for Black Blotter….I’m afraid this is going to end in a really cheesy, predictable way.

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    • number six says

      Yes, unfortunately Fringe is not brave enough to follow through its own twists and turns. Peter as Observer was cool and could have been even cooler, but the moment they started warning about the irreversibility of it all, I knew they’d stop it. In the name of sappy Love.

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      • says

        It just goes to show the audience how vulnerable The Observers are.
        The tech has become them, and that is why they have no female counterparts. They feel no emotion.
        Peter had Olivia to reason with him and snap him out of it, which is something that I was more interested in seeing.

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        • number six says

          How have you come to the conclusion that that’s the reason there are no female observers? They haven’t given any hints about that.

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          • says

            What woman would want to to become emotionless and apathetic like The Observers ? I just do not see it happening. Women are nurturers by nature.

            If The Observers are as cold and desensitized as they have so far been portrayed, with the exception of September and August, do you think that a female would even consider a relationship, let alone procreation with an Observer ?

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            • number six says

              Women and men don’t have uniform traits across the board. I need more convincing than the simplistic explanation: women are nurturing and men are evil by nature.

              We don’t know if the Observers are born or created in an artificial womb. We know that technology makes them the way they are, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that they are born normally and then some are chosen to transform into Observers. Or maybe there are no females at all in the first place. I hope they explain it eventually with convincing arguments.

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            • ian says

              I agree with number six. I have no idea why there are absolutely no woman observers! If their explanantion is going to be: because woman are naturally emotional and nurtures, I will get offended!
              Seriously? absolutely all women are emotional and nurtures? That is ALMOST gender prejudice.
              They need a better explanantion, IMHO!

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              • Sam says

                I too would like an explanation that doesn’t involve gender stereotypes. I hope it will be something big. Or their plan might as well be to get all the females to talk the Observers into removing their tech so they begin to feel and become normal humans.

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                • Rick Terry says

                  Maybe the time and place they come from, females are for reproduction, and sex only. We know that at least some Observers enjoy the fairer sex, as seen in 4×19, with the aggressive Observer. Not that I am a person who would agree with this type of situation or behavior, but it is fiction, and it is a far of future controlled by guys who have no need for human emotions, so it would be logical that they have reduced female-kind to those base functions.

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                  • says

                    Remember that it was a private, after hours club that catered to “exclusive clientele.”
                    Sounds like a possible call girl and her john scenario, if you catch my drift.

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                • Cortexiphan Kid says

                  Maybe they got sick of all the boys getting cold and emotionless, so they re-opened the bridge or took Cortexiphan, and moved to the other universe.

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        • shidey17 says

          I think they’re vulnerable, but I don’t think it’s necessarily for those reasons. I would like to think there’s a more compelling reason why there are no female observers.

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        • Lincless says

          Who says males and females can be as easily distinguished in 2600 as in 2012?
          Who says September isn’t in fact Septembera? :)

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      • says

        I think the Peter Observer arc was really cool and if it were a full season they could have played it longer. However with so few episodes and so much ground to travel, they had to end it (or at least that aspect of it). I believe we haven’t seen the last of the Peter Observer consequences. I’m actually quite nervous. I hope not, but what if it leads to Peter having to take it for the universe again (aka die). :(

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  29. _lost_stef_ says

    I kind of felt that Walter was going to implant the device in himself so that Peter could take it out and the team could still somewhat have an advantage over the observers.

    Walter would sacrifice himself for the greater good.

    Especially when Peter gave him the speech about opening all parts of his mind.

    Just a feeling i had when watching the episode

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  30. jade86 says

    Am i the only one who thinks that peter removed the tech from his head too easily? While i’m so happy that peter will not become a bald and pale observer (LOL), i wonder if the tech did something permanent to him so that he will continue to exibit other cool stuff! They made sure the whole Peter’s transformation into a bald, pale and emotionaless observer didn’t end but the “tech” may have left some effects in his brain in the meantime. My hope is that storyline built for Peter will not end, even with his emotions back!

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    • Rick Terry says

      He said without the tech he wouldn’t be able to kill Windmark,so I assume that means he will no longer teleport, or be super fast, or be able to see the matrix.

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        • Rick Terry says

          Well, since his uber smart Observer tech brain extrapolated that intel, then it seems pointless to believe any differently unless otherwise shown.

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          • Sam says

            Hope you’re right, Rick. I honestly don’t like the idea of the tech having some permanent effects. Like imagine ending the show with Peter forever able to read everyone’s thoughts…too creepy for Olivia :P

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            • shidey17 says

              For a minute during that scene, I kind of thought Olivia was using her Cortexiphan powers to show Peter scenes of Etta, Polivia, and their family in the same way Windmark showed Peter what Etta was thinking of during her final moments. I don’t think that’s what was going on, but Olivia’s powers have always been fueled by emotion, whereas Peter was losing his humanity. I think it would have been cool if it played out this way. I found it unconvincing that Peter just reached in all of the sudden and removed the tech. If Olivia had shown him how they could prevail by using emotion without it being so unbelievable, this scene would have been a lot better.

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    • number six says

      I hope you’re right, because right now I feel like they’ve been wasting precious time with this plot.

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      • ian says

        Yeah, what was the point of the “peter becoming an observer” plot, anyway?
        The show just lost it’s sense. I hope they get it back…..

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        • says

          Peter did get to walk in their footsteps for a while, to experience existing from their perspective.
          Doesn’t that count for something. Gives him the inside dope because he got close to the source.

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  31. Page 48 says

    S05E01 of “The Olivia Dunham Show”. There’s just no way she could sit on the bench all season.

    I’ll bet Broyles and Nina looked just like proud parents, watching this one at home.

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  32. Sanj says

    Awful, just awful. This episode is a prime example of what happens when a show is told to ‘wrap it up’ in a small number of episodes. Fox wasn’t happy to kill the show once, they had to kill it again with their 15 episode mandate.

    Everything had a tale to tell that just wasn’t told…Simone, even the kidnappers…it would have all benefitted from a more relaxed pace. There was more to be said that couldn’t be said. And especially Peter’s trip through Observerland.

    And seriously…removing the implant with a knife to the back of the neck?? Oh come on. Fringe has done better than this garbage.

    0/10. What a waste of time.

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    • Rick Terry says

      It’s 13 episodes just to let you know. Oh and I vehemently disagree with your assessment.

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    • Rick Terry says

      …Also Fox didn’t kill this show as you state. You should be thanking Fox for allowing this show to have a proper ending, and if you don’t like how it is ending, then maybe you should go the route of others in the past and quit watching.

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    • Page 48 says

      0/10?

      Sounds like one of my calculus exams.

      If this was 0/10, what the heck was Molebaby? Or Puff the Magic Dragon?

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        what a douche 0/10! it had on of the best Olivia Dunham speeches and one of the best Polivia scenes u could at least appreciate that.

        This season has had some of the best acting i have ever seen.

        Although the episode has its faults its still better then half he junk thats still playing on tv & junk that gets renewed

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        • Sanj says

          YEAH, 0/10. I’m a “douche” for calling crap what it is? I watch this show with my family and we all agree that this season and especially this episode are CRAP. Most of my family have utterly given up on this season and found something else to watch. Fringe can and has done much better than this. I’m not some slavering fanboy that’s going to call CRAP golden just because I’m afraid to be critical.

          [Inappropriate comment removed -ed] You’re right, plenty of crappy shows keep getting renewed. Fringe shouldn’t have to cut corners and sink to they’re level.

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          • Rick Terry says

            What do you expect? You come to a fan-site, and take a dump on our favorite show, & get ZERO likes to your comment. I would ask you to read the wording you used. Then maybe you’d understand the blow-back you received for your comment.

            Everyone is welcome, and entitled to their opinion, but the ability to express your distaste eloquently goes a million miles in our eyes.

            Conversely when you use strong words, and act like a blathering child, then it cheapens your opinion to the community at large.

            This is not an exclusive community, but it is one that has many return readers. Forgive me if I’m missing something, but this seems to be the first time I have seen you post something. I may be wrong, but I’m here a lot. Sometimes when newcomers come around, they might misinterpret the flow or atmosphere of comments here. Perhaps that is what you did. Although unfortunately it comes off as being snide and as I said taking a dump on our show.

            Just some food for thought from dude.

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            • ian says

              Well, Rick, the same arguments you’ve stated apply to the other members. As I see it, Sanj wasn’t rude until he was called a douche by ‘lost_chef’. The same principle is applied: you’re free to post your opinions, unless you’re rude. And he wasn’t the first to be rude, was he? Didn’t he reply only to ‘lost_chef’?
              He is entitled to his opinion.

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              • Rick Terry says

                I agree, Her comment wasn’t called for. But I just provided SanJ with a reason she may have acted harshly. abrasiveness breeds abrasiveness. His comment was begging for a reaction. He certainly got a reaction, then he got angry at the reaction. You get it right?

                Also the difference is that it is apparent that her comment was well received by the community at large, where-as his wasn’t.

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                • ian says

                  Well Rick, I understood what you did, but:
                  If you had said all you did to sanji AND ALSO TO LOST_CHEF, you would have the reasoning. Calling out only one side for their mystake, was your mystake. I was only pointing THAT out.
                  P.S.: and just a piece of advice: the number of likes a person has for his post, has no relation to the value of the post, IMHO.

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                  • says

                    I wasn’t aware I made a mistake. I was telling a new guy how it works around here by explaining the difference between a rant and quality dislike. Like I said he was fishing for a reaction, he wanted someone to come back at him and he got it. Period.

                    It would equate to walking into a biker bar and screaming I HATE BIKERS!

                    Likes,
                    they may have no value per say, but it means someone liked it enough to click the like button, and that the opposite happened for Mr sanJ, so that says something. Plus I agree with _lost_stef_., I just prefer to out wit an opponent rather than call names.

                    I guess I am biased, but I will sleep fine tonight.

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                    • _lost_stef_ says

                      calling some one a douche is really not that bad come on guys i can think of 100000000000000 meaner things to say!

                      im not as witty as Rick :P

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                    • says

                      @stef:

                      You are plenty witty, and I agree that douche is equivalent to butthead or something like that. I honestly didn’t see it as you calling the guy a name but more of a commentary on his words which were let’s face it douche-baggish.

                      You’re still one of my favorite Fringie B’s. Why else would I keep this up?

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                    • _lost_stef_ says

                      @Rick I appreciate it, it’s very entertaining! Didn’t think 2 people would be so sensitive about it! I shall refrain from calling people douches in the future… Well on here anyways but people just remember if u say the show is crap the Lost-Chef will think your a douche. saves me from writing it in the future ;)

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          • _lost_stef_ says

            SanJ in your response to “I’m not some slavering fanboy that’s going to call CRAP golden just because I’m afraid to be critical”

            If you think the show has become so crap why do you bother taking time from ur busy day to come onto a webpage that is full of devoted fans that have been loyal to the show for 5 years and then basically bag the crap out of it and then act all surprised that i think your a douche.

            Many other people voice that they are disappointed with the show but they don’t call it crap and wish there wasn’t a season 5 at all.

            Its not that I’m afraid to be critical (I am not a very critical person anyways) its that i am actually enjoying the season for what we have and I’m not gonna go about calling it crap after I’ve spent 5 years invested in the storyline and characters.

            If you don’t like go ahead and stop watching because i would rather come onto this website and have a good time discussing this show with people who have respect for it.

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            • ian says

              Well, maybe, he is just venting, maybe he is just trying to stimulate debate, who knows? THIS IS A BLOG, NOT A FAN SITE!
              Maybe people should just ignore post they don’t like… something to think about…

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              • says

                “Maybe people should just ignore post they don’t like… something to think about…”

                Kinda like how you ignored the comment the above was in reply to?

                Kinda like how I’m ignoring this comment?

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                  • shidey17 says

                    Oh it’s because your avatar is Olivia and in that one episode Olivia made pasta sauce for her sister and Ella. So Olivia is a chef and by extension now you are too!

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                  • says

                    Sounds like a show on Travel Channel.

                    A world renowned chef is dropped into a mysterious location that only the producers know where it is. The Lost Chef must survive but she must also make gourmet quality food from the available natural resources. She has 36 hours to make it to civilization, and when she gets there she must cook her own welcome back feast.

                    Kinda like Survivor-man, meets No Reservations, meets Iron Chef.

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                    • _lost_stef_ says

                      Haha that’s awesome @Rick can’t stop laughing!! You better copyright that otherwise you may see the show on your screens next year.

                      @shidey & Olivia knows how to make toast & I know how to make toast so I can see the similarities hehe

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              • _lost_stef_ says

                You have done a nice job ignoring it :D

                “Well, maybe, he is just venting, maybe he is just trying to stimulate debate, who knows? THIS IS A BLOG, NOT A FAN SITE!”

                your above comment therefore has no merit if we shouldn’t respond.

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                  • says

                    I wasn’t aware this was a court. Last time I checked it was just online buddies discussing Fringe. Buddies being the key word. Trolls, and Flamers need not apply. You are not a troll or flamer in my opinion. In fact I find your comments likable for the most part with the exception of maybe a couple. We like to kid and have fun here. We don’t take ourselves too seriously, we do however take our favorite show seriously. It’s just that when someone shows up being a turd we pounce like a hungry lion pride. We’ve had issues with the kooky trolls that frequent other sites we usually avoid like the plague. So there is a fine line here when it comes to our discussion. Don’t get me wrong we have our share of opponents when it comes to plot points and to the quality of the show, but like I said they tend to be more eloquent when it comes to their dislike, and we here at FB appreciate that. They also don’t call the show garbage and a 0 out of ten. (those are fightin’ words).

                    Peace man. :)

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                    • _lost_stef_ aka Lost_Chef says

                      how is this bullying and and how did we assist you in making your case. Cant you tell that we are taking the piss out of this whole situation.

                      Frankly myself, Rick, Shidey & Betty spend a lot of time on here and we like to have a joke about things, that’s one of the reasons I visit here frequently.

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                    • _lost_stef_ aka Lost_Chef says

                      @Ian i never said i was going to ignore you, maybe you should ignore me i could do this for years

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                    • shidey17 says

                      Oh I hate when the reply button goes away. That’s when you know things have gotten really out of control lol.

                      Stef (Chef) I think you should make Ian a mushroom fritatta. It would be more appropriate.

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                    • _lost_stef_ aka Lost_Chef says

                      @Ian when will you realise that I don’t give a damn lol this is all just a joke to me and is not affecting me personally in any way. Unlike you i can take a joke and can understand sarcasm.

                      Do you think Rick, Shidey or anyone else for that matter really even cares or is even affected by your comments. To us this situation is nothing more then entertainment.

                      It really seems to have an effect on you

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                  • says

                    Hey stef, when Fringe is over, :( We should make it a thing to get back here and de-troll all the old posts. We gotta keep this going. Shidey, Betty, whatchy’all think about that?

                    Whatchy’all = “What do you guys” in southern speak.

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                    • _lost_stef_ aka Lost_Chef says

                      lol Rick i was never going to leave this webpage so im 100% in!!

                      the only way ill leave is if Roco shuts it down & then ill move over to seriable.com and continue it there :P

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                    • says

                      I got all the time in the world bro…all the time in the world. Lighten up. Join in the fun, and in case you didn’t notice I don’t ignore too many comments.

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                    • ian says

                      So do I… and in case you haven’t notice… I don’t care who ignores me. Please, continue to do it!

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                    • shidey17 says

                      I’m in. I’m gonna need something to do when it’s over. BTW, have you seen that southern grammar graphic where it’s like:
                      1=you
                      2=y’all
                      3+=all y’all
                      ?
                      I love that.

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                    • _lost_stef_ aka Lost_Chef says

                      Who’s the BULLY now Ian… @Shidey didn’t do anything to you and u wanna start on her!!! bring it on

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                    • ian says

                      You tried argumenting, but it didn’t succeed, Lost chef. The hunters become the huntees. Doesn’t feel good, does it? Bullying others is no problem, but bullying your kind is.

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                    • says

                      Alright Ian, I’m about to become your worst nightmare.

                      Learn to use the English language. “Argumenting” is not a word, the comma between the words “succeed”, and “Lost chef” is redundant (that means unnecessary) “huntees” is also not a word i believe you were looking for the word “hunted”.

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                    • shidey17 says

                      lol I’m just an innocent bystander. The only person I bullied was Fatty Patty, and she had it coming!

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                    • shidey17 says

                      Btw, Ian, do you have something against mushroom fritattas? I hear they’re quite wonderful.

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                    • _lost_stef_ aka Lost_Chef says

                      Please refer to my comment above… Hard to find the right reply button…. It’s getting that deep. @shidey ur involved now purely by association

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                    • shidey17 says

                      I was only trying to fast-track your career as a celebrity survival chef. But it’s okay. We all got each other’s backs.

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                    • ian says

                      OK, Rick: seriously? no other arguments than my grammar? I’m ignoring you from now on, which you should have been already doing to me, as I requested.
                      Lost_ Chef: if it didn’t have any effect, you would all had just ignored me, wouldn’t you?
                      And now, I’m taking my own advise and ignoring you both.

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                    • _lost_stef_ aka Lost_Chef says

                      Like a said Ian purely entertainment you are making me laugh nothing more…

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  33. Sam says

    It’s too bad Peter took the tech out because I think I was starting to ship Anil and Olivia.

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    • says

      :-) It’s amazing, Anna Torv has chemistry with everybody, well, not everybody. I didn’t see any chemstry between amber Lincoln and amber/blue Olivia; actually, I didn’t see it between AltLiv either. :) Just sayin . . .

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      • DeepRunner says

        Hear, hear…I always thought putting Lincoln the Librarian (the Mortician, the Bookkeeper, the Desk Clerk, the…OK not to impugn the integrity of meaningful jobs, but you get it) with Our Olive was like putting chocolate on liver.

        Seriously.

        And having him go Over There for TNBT (The Rockin’ Redhead of the RedVerse–don’t forget, she loved Peter too [come on, let her get her memories back just so we can see Purple Lincoln turn blue with rage, or whatever strong feeling he gets, assuming he gets one]) was just silly. “Here Lincoln, here’s your consolation prize.”

        I am not necessarily a shipper, but I am not necessarily not one, either. P/O ALWAYS made sense, from the moment he was putting the tabs on her before she got in the tank for the first time, to Brown Betty, to Over There, to 6B, to 4.15, to now. Joshua Jackson and Anna Torv have always had great chemistry.

        Seth Gabel was a great Over There Lincoln and a good pal for AltLivia. They shoulda kept him. Unfortunately, the only way the Weak Linc could get The Faux O was for AltLinc to die.

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        • says

          I don’t see why they couldn’t let “Linc the stink” die taking a bullet for Alt Linc. To me it would have made for a better story and a meaningful Lincoln death. plus us fans wouldn’t be up in arms about it. SMH.

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          • DeepRunner says

            Wyman is sentimental, and Lincoln was a loser (and not a lovable one. After all, “it isn’t every day that you come across a ‘suitable’ (now there is a lukewarm, bucket-of-spit word) chess partner.”)

            The Faux O had to lose her partner and friend. That was the only way Purple Lincoln could have gone Over There. (A real shame that Over Here Peter died, because Our Peter would have been Over There, and Lincoln, if he crossed-over, would end up being Charlie Brown, forlorn for The Red-Haired Girl.)

            But having Prince Lincoln the Lame-Hearted end up with his diametric opposite? Like Gilligan with Ginger.

            P/O always made sense. Wyman and Pinker obviously didn’t want Pacey and Joey, and Joshua Jackson and Anna Torv WEREN’T Pacey and Joey. More like Han and Leia.

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    • DeepRunner says

      Sam, as Peter became more Baldie-esque, I wondered if Wyman would put Olivia and Anil together. Five to go, so still possible. But not as likely.

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  34. SissySiri says

    Are you kidding me? I love this season, I relish every episode, and it is way past the time of over analyzing, for me anyway. Tick, tock, tick, tock to the end folks!

    OK so if they went back to the lab and Walter removed the tech, boring, and taking up precious time. I am enjoying my last first run episodes of Fringe, not perfect but darn close, IMO.

    Anil and Olivia, WHAT!!??? Please, it did not work with Lincoln, it would not work with anyone else, it is Olivia and Peter FOREVER no matter what universe they are in . . . it is the whole premise of this show.

    I read that Lance is working on a movie, good for him, that is why we are not seeing Broyles. Also, what else can they do with Blair Brown/Nina? We only have a few episodes left . . . . geezz, let’s be happy that we got this batch. I hope it is a sappy ending, who cares, this show has survived as long as it has due to the incredible fan base. From what I have read since the Pilot, my take is that the fans who have stuck with this show to the end want a reasonable, “it could happen” type of ending. Well anyway I do.

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    • FringePhile says

      Omg if I could like your comment 1000x I would do it! I agree with every word you said, I’m here to enjoy the ride ’til the end :-) We can over-analyze during future re-watches.

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        fringe shippers until the end!! I too also agree with u SissySiri im going to enjoy this final season the good and the bad!! and the bad isnt even BAD ITS GOOD AND THE GOOD IS MAGNIFICENT

        WINDMARK SHOULD KILL ME NOW BECAUSE EMOTIONS ARE MY WEAKNESS AND I HAVE SO MANY EMOTIONS OVER THIS SHOW :D

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    • Rick Terry says

      @Siri, that is the way I have felt since the 13 episode renewal was announced. I know I could pick apart a ton of stuff. God knows I have done so in the past with this show, but I am grateful to even be getting this final chapter, and will hold on and take the ride where it takes me.

      Now I reserve the right to hold judgment until after the little red wobot runs across my screen for the last time after this show ends. Until then, it’s redvines, rootbeer floats, psychedelic music, and a nice comfy exam chair for me.

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      • Red Balloon says

        Rick, that’s the sanest way to watch the show!, good for you!!!. I lost that enthusiasm maybe since the BBM and I regret it, but it doesn’t keep me from being hooked until the end.

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    • Funny says

      Unfortunately you can even see on screen that Anna Torn and Joshua Jackson can’t stand each other – which makes their common scenes even more painful.

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      • says

        Funny–Actually, I feel quite the opposite. I think Josh and Anna have done a fantastic job. Some of Anna and Josh’s best work is their scenes together, especially in season 4.

        SHIPPER for LIFE indeed!!!!

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      • SissySiri says

        Funny,
        Where did you read this? That they can’t stand each other. I have read lots and lots of stuff on Fringe and I have never read anywhere that they dislike each other. I would think that news like that would be fairly well known.

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        • Rick Terry says

          It’s the crazy Fringe comment troll back again. Nothing to see here. If you google Anna Torv hates Joshua Jackson you will be directed to this troll’s previous posts as various identities, across the internet at various other fansites and blogs.

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          • Funny says

            What are you talking about?
            It’s a well known fact these two actors don’t get along too well. It’s very obvious when the complete cast appears together and was recently confirmed by a member of the crew. That doesn’t mean they hate each other. They are just very different persons.

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            • Rick Terry says

              I’ll tell you what I’m talking about. When you go to google, and try to search for any proof of this asinine idea that the two actors don’t get along, you will find that any search you do will lead you to either a spoiler site, or fan site, or blog site, etc…, And when you proceed to those links you will not find any proof of this asinine idea in the actual article or in the body of work that the link takes you to. Where you’ll find all the perpetrating of this insane idea is in the comments sections of all of these places. The common denominator is a certain insane commentator that goes by many different names, because she keeps getting banned, I think you are that insane person. Here at Fringebloggers even the mention of one of your past names will put the comment into mod, so I will leave it at that.

              IT IS NOT A KNOWN FACT, IT IS A STUPID INSANE RUMOR!!

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              • Sam says

                An *alleged* crew member did leave a comment for all the trolls who regularly spread rumours in the comments section of Fringe articles about what goes on behind the scenes. He/she was trying to clarify that the cast and crew do not hate each other. Josh and Anna have different work styles, that is all the crew member said. How does that mean they can’t stand each other?

                2 leads of a show who play each other’s love interest aren’t all touchy in public and people assume they don’t get along.

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                  • Rick Terry says

                    How would you begin to know this? Do you know the actors personally? I believe you are getting your info from rumors, and video clips, trying to read the actors body language and such. Maybe you read the celebrity gossip columns? I don’t know, but like I said this is a totally unfounded idea.

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            • shidey17 says

              Actually you are right funny. I saw a picture the other day of a fight that went down on set. Anna had an axe and she was going toward Josh’s head with it. Then Josh had a machete and was going after John Noble. And then John Noble had this big like pirate sword looking thing, and we was going after Jasika. Now, if I remember correctly, Jasika had a taser, and she was just out for blood. She didn’t care who she got. And then I swear Seth Gable was there too, even though he’s not on the show anymore, but he hates all the other actors so much that he had a bunch of canons and was just going after all of them. So yeah, you’re right in a way. Josh and Anna do hate each other, but it’s not just them. The whole cast hates each other. All of them.

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              • Surun Tunne says

                ” I saw a picture the other day of a fight that went down on set. Anna had an axe and she was going toward Josh’s head with it.”

                yep, that’s why he has an injury on his head.
                later, they had to write the peter/windmark fight, so that people would think the injury isn’t real.

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              • _lost_stef_ says

                @Shidey Anna Torv can just use her cortexiphan powers to set Josh on fire, catch upcoming bullets with her mind and re-direct them at Josh. its true i seen it

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              • FringePhile says

                Did you guys see the picture where John Noble smashes the looking glass right over Lance Reddick’s head? Yeah, that was pretty spiteful too…

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        if this was to be true Funny and they didnt like each other you would never be able to tell from their on screen chemistry does not effect the show at all. I had no idea there was even rumours that they didnt like each other until one day i was googling both their names together and it happened to be one of the top searches.

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  35. Cortexiphan Kid says

    ”Simone, you have a gift. You can see things that other people can’t. I don’t doubt that. But… wherever you think this gift came from or whoever you think bestowed it upon you, it’s simply an anomaly. I know that because I’m an anomaly. I have moved things with my mind. I’ve lit things on fire. I’ve caught bullets midair. I’ve seen things that people only dream about. I’ve seen… the seams between universes ripped apart, things that humans shouldn’t see. People make up explanations… assign meaning to things without knowing, because it’s reassuring. It’s comforting. But I can’t do that… because I know too much. It’s all just numbers. And The Invaders, as you call them, they’re just better at math than we are.”

    I have a feeling that every atheist in the audience wanted to give Olivia a high-five (or a hug) for saying this. :)

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    • Sam says

      Lol such a buzz-kill! I felt a little bad for Simone, here she was thinking she’s all special and then Olivia becomes a bit of a meanie and just takes that away from her. Also tells who *really* had (has?) a gift with the telekinesis, pyrokinesis and what not! But she has every right to be devoid of the sort of faith Simone had when she knows how it all works. So I definitely wanted to give Olivia a high-five for trying to open Simone’s eyes. Didn’t seem to work though :P

      And since this is the second time this season Olivia has brought up her universe jumpin’ days reminding us it is still something that impacts her and not in a very positive way, I’m getting the feeling it is finally time for her to accept Cortexiphan as something that will always be part of her so she might as well put it to some good use. Something that I think really needs to happen :)

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      • ML says

        When did Olivia mention her universe jumping previously this season?
        I do think this will be part of Olivia’s final arc. Accepting her abilities. Can’t wait.

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        • shidey17 says

          She told Simone she had seen the fabric between the universes be ripped apart or something like that. I don’t think she said she’d traveled between them to her. But I am glad she mentioned her powers. At least she’s not denying them anymore. I love badass Olivia – Cortexiphaned or not.

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          • ML says

            btw, I think the writer made a mistake in her speech. Olivia says “I’ve moved things with my mind” I think that’s her direct quote.
            But this Olivia never did that, did she? Only future Olivia did that in The Day We Die but this Olivia wouldn’t know that.
            Unless we count Olivia turning on the lights as moving something. Or her using Peter as a puppet at the end of s4. :D

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            • shidey17 says

              I guess it would have to be her moving Peter on the rooftop. Although I agree that it’s probably more a writer’s mistake. I like to pretend that whole scene on the rooftop didn’t happen anyway; :P

              I don’t think Olivia would know about the end of S3 either….even though she is the failsafe, she wouldn’t know because it was Peter’s experience in the machine and not necessarily a memory she could regain.

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            • Red Balloon says

              She manipulated the typewriter from the other side… and she stopped the BBM. Those two count as telekinesis, moving or lifting things…

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              • Cortexiphan Kid says

                Wait, did she really manipulated the tipewriter in the alternate universe, or did she just made this version of Selectric 251 to type her message? How could they even tell the diference?

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          • Sam says

            Oh, when I said universe jumping days I just meant her Cortexiphan days in general. Wasn’t specifically talking about crossing over :)

            ML, I’m guessing it’s one of those things she did as a child? Like setting things on fire. That’s another thing we haven’t seen adult Olivia do. Although she did deactivate the force field around the machine with her mind. Basically I think she just meant all the Jedi Mind tricks she has pulled off :P

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  36. Cortexiphan Kid says

    Top 20 things about The Human Kind:
    1. Anna Torv/Olivia
    2. Anna Torv/Olivia
    3. Anna Torv/Olivia
    4. Anna Torv/Olivia
    5. Anna Torv/Olivia
    6. Anna Torv/Olivia
    7. Anna Torv/Olivia
    8. Anna Torv/Olivia
    9. Anna Torv/Olivia
    10. Anna Torv/Olivia
    11. Anna Torv/Olivia
    12. Anna Torv/Olivia
    13. Anna Torv/Olivia
    14. Anna Torv/Olivia
    15. Anna Torv/Olivia
    16. Anna Torv/Olivia
    17. Anna Torv/Olivia
    18. The end scene
    19. Joshua Jackson/Observeter
    20. Peter getting the Observer tech out of his head

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    • _lost_stef_ says

      You missed one thing Anna Torv/OliviaDunham + BAMF = The Dunhamnator (maybe the observers are not that much better then Math then we are)

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  37. Cortexiphan Kid says

    Simone/The Oracle
    Young Observer/The Spoon Kid
    Observers/Agents
    Captain Windmark/Agent Smith
    Olivia/Trinity
    Peter/Neo
    Walter/Morpheus
    William Bell/The Merovingian
    Darby/Sati
    Carlos/Seraph
    Broyles/Commander Jason Lock

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  38. Rick Terry says

    I’ve done my re-watch, and read several reviews, and countless comments. I wrote this over at Seriable on Roco’s review of the episode but felt I needed to post it here for those of you who may not visit the “Other Side” So here is something that has bugged me ; Also I will add something else which came to mind after I wrote this over there.

    Regarding the Observer-Peter arc; I keep seeing comments that it was a wasted arc, or didn’t live up to its potential, or that it was cut too short, etc…
    I completely disagree with this view. I see it for exactly what it was. Keep in mind that we are seeing the final season, and a shortened one at that. With that in mind think of the show’s biggest mystery, think in terms of Fringe’s version of the Smoke-Monster. It’s the Observers.
    What I believe was the reason for Peter becoming an Observer, or a better word would be Observer-Like, aside from the revenge plot, was so that the writers could uncover the mechanics of the Observers without having a bunch of expositional convenient conversations. What it did was SHOW us how the Observers came to be as they are. It allowed us to read between the lines and figure out more about these guys like; Why they have no emotions, How they are so smart, and are able to read minds? (Higher brain function, utilizing the full potential of the human brain)
    It makes the quote from September have greater meaning now too, “A more apt question would be, ‘from when?’ We are you– we’re human… many generations after your lifetime. We are one of countless possible futures for humanity. Our technology has uniquely afforded us the ability to travel within and outside of time so that we may observe our beginnings. “ (Italics showing the more relevant parts of the quote)
    Basically what I am getting at is that through the revenge plot, and subsequent actions of Peter implanting himself with Observer tech, we now know what exactly the Smoke-Monster is made of so to speak (to use a LOST reference).
    I personally was one of many who was perturbed by the lack of answers like this in the final season of LOST, and I believe that the EPs of Fringe have taken note of these sorts of things and utilized the mistakes of one show to make better this show.
    I also believe having experienced being one of them it will help him and the team to understand their moves better as well.
    But most of all I am taking the show at its word this season, and if Olivia felt that keeping the tech was bad, then I too feel that if he kept it for just 24 more hours we might never have seen Peter as Peter again.

    (Addendum)

    In my haste to hit the send button I forgot to mention that other good things that came from this arc.

    We got to see a few necessary themes come to the surface in this bit of storytelling as well. To name a few; “Son committing the sins of the father”, “Love as a saving grace”. We got to see that even with the tech firmly implanted in his head, Peter prefers to have his emotions more so than his logistics. I believe we also might have seen a glimpse of how September and August were “broken” . It seems that if you try hard enough you can get through to an Observer’s emotions, however deep they are buried, and scabbed over.

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    • Rick Terry says

      When I copied this over it didn’t replicate the bold and italics so here is what part of this should look like.

      It makes the quote from September have greater meaning now too, “A more apt question would be, ‘from when?’ We are you– we’re human… many generations after your lifetime. We are one of countless possible futures for humanity. Our technology has uniquely afforded us the ability to travel within and outside of time so that we may observe our beginnings. “ (Italics showing the more relevant parts of the quote)

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    • ML says

      Very well said.
      I think more people will understand why the writers did this Peter Observer arc once the season is over. Once these last few eps get into September and the Observer boy and who Donald is.

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    • ian says

      Excellent post, Rick. I totally forgot about the “be a better man than your father” plot. Peter was better. I guess Walter didn’t have ‘an Olivia’ to stop him.
      You made a good point that they showed us how the mind of the observers functions. But I still don’t think it was necessary. First, walter could have found out about the emotion part of the brain without Peter having to actually use it. And, just in my case, I didn’t need an explicit explanation on how they manage to see all timelines and adjust them. IMHO, September gave a good enough explanantion.
      But, hey, that is just me.

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      • Rick Terry says

        You see I understand you, but what you are suggesting is that they just TELL us about the physiology of the Observers, but the cool thing (at least to me) was they actually SHOWED us about the Observers. if a picture is worth a thousand words, then how mush more is video worth? The thing that cheapens the show for me is when they dump a big info turd on us via one character making an overly-expositional monologue. I see the Peter Observer plot as way better usage of time. Plus we still don’t know the full implications of his action, there may well be some residual effects to deal with, good or bad.

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  39. Darth Kid says

    This week, we had a more or less lame episode with lots of unimportant, pathetic, stupid moments, and an important, great moment.

    I know I said that before, and I will be saying untill it ends. That tape hunt is really taking to long. We’re over the half of this last season, and I was hoping that they would use their time for something else, but it looks like I was wrong. And why don’t they just liberate all of the tapes at the same time, and than go after the componets? Oh, right, I forgot, it’s because if they do that, writers wouldn’t know what to give us in this season.
    Well, except minor characters that don’t really have a purpose – like Simone. She gives Olivia the BAM (and a truck, and water), talks with her about faith and her not-so-special-and-unexplained powers, and than, she’s gone. Just like that. Forgoten. I REALLY hope, that she will reappear some time in the future, or else, she will remain a not-so-bright spot on Fringe’s history.

    P.S. I’m kind of glad that Peter got the baldie tech out of his head, maybe now, Olivia will finnaly get a more important role.

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    • ML says

      I agree that this tape search isn’t strong. Tptb are using this set up for an ep instead of the MOTW but its gotten silly now. I was so glad when Olivia interrupted Walter this week and we didn’t have to watch another tape.

      But I can overlook the tapes and enjoy the other stuff. The Peter Observer arc was pretty exciting. I am enjoying most of the character stuff. That’s what Wyman really wants to do this season. Sort of a epilogue of each character. Now I look forward to exploring more about what Olivia is feeling and hopefully accepting her abilities.

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