FRINGE: 5.07 Five-Twenty-Ten

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GAME-CHANGING FRINGE EVENTS OCCUR ON AN ALL-NEW “FRINGE” FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 16, ON FOX

As the fight for the future intensifies, a member of the Fringe team orchestrates a Fringe event of his own in the all-new “Five-Twenty-Ten” episode of FRINGE airing Friday, Nov. 16 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT). (FR-507) (TV-14 L)

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth.

Guest Cast: Georgina Haig as Henrietta/Etta

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  1. _lost_stef_ says

    I’m sittin here waiting patiently for Aus time 1pm because i know that the episode will be available for me to watch!!

    I can tell this episode is going to be epic with or without the sneak peeks this week!!! Nina’s BACK!

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  2. Rick Terry says

    Holy crap! Well I guess I can admit when I’m wrong. Seems Peter is literally becoming an Observer…even down to the hair loss.

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        • Hsa says

          Do you recall that before Comic-Com 2011 Josh/Observer, there was a new Observor who looked like Josh to some of us? I was so certain he would become one, and now I wonder if the writers had already planned the transformation. I have to believe Walter, Olivia and maybe Nina will get that thing out of him.

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    • Walternate says

      It’s dystopian fiction. It’s supposed to be depressing. But don’t worry, apparently things do grow from scorched earth.

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    • Ian S. says

      I don’t understand why so many people are saying it’s so dark. Have you not read/seen other pieces of fiction? I read 1984, in my opinion the most realistic dark fiction I could think of, and it makes Fringe look almost like candy. I watch the Walking Dead too, and that show honestly is quite disturbing and sickening to watch sometimes. Fringe is darker this season than before, yes, but it’s nowhere near depressing yet. It’s at one of it’s most interesting points in the series in my opinion, and that’s because it’s really thinking outside the box and moving in some juicy controversial (for the characters) territory.

      Arguably, the show was at its best with the whole Blueverse VS. Redverse plot and character drama between Jacksonville and Entrada (and The Day We Died, my favourite episode of the series) and the main plot there was the destruction of an entire flippin universe. In some ways, that’s even darker than this season, because it actually happened in the season 3 finale!

      This season is very interesting and visually portrayed a type of story that’s rarely made into film, seriously there really aren’t too many Dystopian future movies (especially ones that involve time travel) out there, compared to all the movies ever made in history. So I, for one, am quite enjoying this season and I hope they push this dark envelop even further. If a story can truthfully disturb me (in an accomplished way, not like Criminal Minds), then it usually means they did well ;) But, to each his own, and I’m not trying to be condescending, I’m just saying this is way way way much interesting than the weak season 4 brought to us.

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      • says

        Once again, I have to agree that anything compared to season 4 as a whole is better–not to say season 4 didn’t have some terrific episodes as well as great P/O relationship stuff. :-)

        In terms of the darkness of this season . . . I tend to agree with Ian. What they are doing with the characters is just terrific. Josh Jackson finally getting a chance to show us another side to the Peter character, Olivia being so emotionally open and vulnerable and Walter’s very real struggle. I love it!

        This episode was well done. It felt very inimate to me. Each character (save for Astrid) was dealing with their own inner struggles while
        trying to save the world. Josh’s portrayal of being an Observer is out of this world.

        By the end of the episode, his eyes (normally so expressive) were cold with rage and/or void of emotion all together. I loved how Olivia backed out of the apartment in shock. This was the look she had when she found out Peter had killed all of the shapeshifters in season 3. It’s great to see her reaction play-out, since it didn’t in season 3 because she was taken over by William Bell.

        Just one nitpikie note — how the hell can our Fringe team all walk around and not be caught? Maybe we’ll find out in the next episode. Maybe Windmark was allowing them freedom to roam as part of his plan. I guess we’ll see in 3 weeks.

        This one gets a 9.5/10

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        • DeepRunner says

          Scully8, Great review. Joshua Jackson really is tearing it up as an Observer. I am just waiting for the Olivia we all know to come to the surface. I am not necessarily a shipper, but I have to say that P/O have been pretty good as a couple. I think that is a marker of the on-screen chemistry between Anna Torv and Joshua Jackson.

          Re: the Fringies walking around in broad daylight, given what Windmark says in the promo next week, is it possible that this is part of HIS plan, to let them come and go as they please? Not everyone, so far as I know, is marked as a Loyalist, and the Bald Battalion are the only ones who know who they are, so who’s to say that Windmark isn’t pulling the strings on this?

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      • ML says

        when you say push the dark envelop even further would you say you’ll be disappointed if Olivia and Walter save Peter?
        Asking because to me it seems almost certain that will happen. Fringe may be dark this season but it still Fringe and its such a hopeful show I can’t imagine losing Peter like this.

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        • Ian S. says

          I want them to save him, don’t get me wrong, but they need to earn in. Happy endings don’t just come easy, especially in this type of Dystopian world. I truly believe our team will save the world, but what I love is the question they’re asking … at what cost? I also feel that if everything goes back to normal at the end of Season 5 it will just be too happy almost, considering all that’s happened.

          I really think that Walter is going to die, and he will save Peter (perhaps Peter will have a slooow recovery though) and Walter will bite the bullet for making up for what he’s done all those years ago (although I already forgave him and he’s done much more good than bad). Another thing I believe might happen is Peter will actually die, Walter will remove the tech from his neck but it will result in his death soon afterwards. I don’t know, I feel that without a major death (Etta doesn’t count, we only knew her for 4 episodes) the entire gravity and weight of this season will just be lost a bit.

          I don’t think Peter will remain an Observer because the ending would just be too damn ironic. They destroy the Observers except then they have one left, Peter. They won’t kill him, and he won’t let them kill him, and we won’t be watching an episode about that never-ending struggle. It would be a weak end in my opinion.

          Of course, all that could be wrong lol!

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          • DeepRunner says

            I have said for a long time now that Peter is the most likely one to go. I still think that is the case. It would be a cruel twist for Walter to have to be on his own, without his son (did you notice the emphasis he put on it in the eppy? “I love my son, and my son loves me, and that is enough.” That is the first time in this timeline where Walter really, REALLY made that strong a reference to Peter.). Olivia would be distraught, having lost her daughter and then her husband (although she pretty much has lost him now, and for now).

            But it would cruel irony for Walter to lose his “son” for the third time. And it would be a wholly religious subtext–Walter would pay for his sins in the most agonizing way.

            But maybe, as I said in another post, each of The Big Three makes it to the end with the other two. Here’s hoping.

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    • Rick Terry says

      I still don’t think he will be September, but I was wrong about him becoming an Observer so you could be right. I just don’t think that’ll better the story. In fact I think it would make September’s and Peter’s story too convoluted.

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      • twisted says

        Definitely agree that it would’t better the story, just seems like a convenient jump to an already warped timeline/plot.

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        • says

          I agree Twisted and Rick. If I remember correctly, Wyman said in an interview this is a straight forward story — nothing overly cute or convoluted, so the prospect of Peter being September doesn’t fit that description of the season. Hey, who knows . . . Loved the episode!

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      • Walternate says

        I’d like to see him this season. Maybe in like a flashback, but it is kind of….lacking, so to speak without Michael Cerveris. I also kinda want to see the Purge that Simon was talking about in 4×19. Call me sadistic, but it would add a little shock and awe emotion into it. Displaying how humanity was ripped from the world we knew into this world we know live in.

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      • ML says

        Peter being September would be ridiculous and I don’t think this is where we’re going.
        I do think Donald is September minus tech. I always thought the boy was September but not sure how it would work if September were the boy and Donald.
        My head hurts.

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        • Rick Terry says

          Agreed. Except maybe the Donald point. Although It would be interesting to find out that September had Walter take out his tech (safely) and that he began to grow his hair back and to act like a normal human again. But
          I REALLY do agree that the Inner Child is September. I feel like this would be an Alternate timeline for the September we already know. That by taking him as a child will somehow change the future timeline to a point that it will affect the Observers in a bad way.

          Or…And this is far out there. But What if somehow the tech in Peter’s neck does in fact change the DNA structure of the individual wearing it, to the point of even being able to pass on certain characteristics to its offspring (namely alopecia), and that the Inner Child is somehow Peter and Olivia’s child (that will be conceived in the near future), brought back in time to 2008-2015/pocket-verse/2036. This child will grow up to become September etc…

          Crazy ramblings of a Fringehead.

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          • ML says

            yeah that would be out there ;p
            Donald = September just makes the most sense to me. The writers have already laid the groundwork in what Peter has done to himself and the reveal of a September before tech would just be such a wow moment.
            Basically in this Observer season we haven’t learned anything yet of the most important Observer of the entire series, September. Meeting September minus tech would be perfect. It ties everything back to the beginning.

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            • Rick Terry says

              Ok I see. Donald = September BEFORE he was an Observer. Maybe Walter can successfully remove the tech from Peter’s head, and then put it into Donald’s head to make him a plant for the resistance, becoming September, while simultaneously saving his son, and thus saving himself, and Olivia and their respective relationships. I like it brilliant.

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              • ML says

                My theory is Peter has to save himself. He’s gone so far with his deceptiveness to Olivia and Walter that I think he has to make the decision HIMSELF to be human.
                Olivia doesn’t give up on him as we see in the promo but in the end Peter has to make the decision. I can see Peter removing the tech himself. Its one way for the writers to show Peter’s love for Olivia which we haven’t really been seeing lately. It’s all been from Olivia’s side.

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            • _lost_stef_ says

              great theory i like it!! Donald as September minus the tech, Walter removes tech from Peter implants into to Donald and BAM September is back… that would be crazy

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  3. SissySiri says

    Do something Walter, do something, save your son, oh no wait, save the boy you took from the other side who has been like a son, SAVE HIM!!!!!!! HELP!!!!!!

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  4. FringeSci says

    That episode was great. In my opinion, this is the best season (so far at least). I love the tone and all the connections they’ve made to past episodes and seasons. I really loved how this episode showed how the observer’s minds work, gave us more insight into William Bell (and his relationship with Nina), answers about the beacons, development with Walter and the replaced parts of his mind, and had the return of the toxin from the pilot. This is definitely feeling like the final season and its epic.

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  5. _lost_stef_ says

    fcking HELL!!! that episode was EPIC!!! This was such an amazing episode on all levels.

    OMG i was holding my breath for the whole episode and i got chills at the end.

    Peter is becoming them, the monotone voice, the head tilt, the hair loss, omg im freaking out here. I cant get over how good this episode was. Olivia walking out on Peter broke my heart for both of them. Will they ever find there way back to each other. With Peter turning into an emotionless zombie i find it very hard to see a happy future for the both of them.

    Loved how they turned the solid mass into gas, great to see some awesome experiments.

    Loved the opening scene and how Peter smiled when he saw the Etta resist posters.

    The return of Nina was a highlight and i particularly enjoyed the scenes between her and Walter. When Walter found the picture of Nina in Bell’s safe i had to scream out loud he does love her!!

    Loved Walter calling Astrid Agnes ‘ fire up the laser Agnes’

    The Nina and Olivia had me in tears. Olivia has gotten the best reunion scenes this season because she does them so well. ‘ I never thougth id see you again’ awww so many feels.

    The acting in this episode was top notch from John to Josh to Anna to Blair Brown.

    I must go and do my rewatch and gather my thoughts!!

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  6. DeepRunner says

    5-20-10. Meet 6-2-7.

    What a call-back episode. Where to begin?…

    * All hail Agnes. Agnes. Nice. Poor Abner. She is destined to have her name forever butchered by Walter. Agnes gave us good, meaty, juicy info, though, on how it was William Bell ended up in amber with them.

    * NINA!!!!! We missed you! It was good to see you back. A lot of backstory with her return. Walter and Bellie as Gods, standing astride two universes. The reunion with Our Olivia was excellent. Her time with Walter, where she told him that her love for William wasn’t enough to keep him tethered, and the ominous warning about Peter not being enough to keep Walter grounded. Walter coming to her and asking her to take pieces of his brain out. And speaking of Walter…

    * I am of two minds, so to speak, on the two minds of Walter. I like our Uncle Walter, but I also wanted to see more of the cold, calculating Walter. Not because I like that version of Walter, but I think it would have been the full contrast. His growling at Nina about William only loving William Bell was a callback to the Peter episode, at Reiden Lake when he was about to cross over. Wyman and crew drew enough distinction between the two Walters this season, but now…The anguish he felt as he climbed into the chair, listening to old David Bowie (as his son disintegrates in another part of town) was epic John Noble. As for Olivia…

    * The utter horror in her eyes and her running from what Peter had done to himself and what he was becoming was deafening. Our Olivia has been with Peter in two different timelines. Early in the original timeline, it was obvious, as Rachel said, that Olivia really liked Peter. All that they had been through in the two timelines made a bond that is difficult to break. She was at the breaking point, though. The promo for next eppy (three WEEKS?? REALLY?????) makes it clear she won’t give up. But like Michael Corleone in the restaurant, with his eyes shifting madly as he is about to whack Sollozzo and McCluskey, it was that kind of tension and force she communicated as she turned and ran. So, Peter…

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    • DeepRunner says

      oops, got ahead of myself…. Sorry.

      Now, about Peter:

      * Using the toxin from the Pilot was INCREDIBLE. Excellent callback. Cool that it was stored in Walter’s Little Shop of Fringe Horrors.

      * His mannerisms throughout this eppy became more and more like an Observer, from the opening scene on the street to the close with him at the marker board. Right down to losing his hair. he was an automaton, robotic by the end. CREEPY.

      * His ability to calmly and coldly take out Observers was part Julian Sark, part Arvin Sloane, and part Jack Bristow. Pathological. Interesting contrast between Walter, who wanted his humanity back, and Peter, who doesn’t seem to care about his, at the moment, anyway.

      * His deceit toward Olive contributed greatly to her leaving in terror.

      * His failing to account for variables was a subtle callback to the episode The Plateau, where the super-IQ-juiced guy from Over There could not account for a variable which ended up saving Olivia’s life.

      * Peter has been a character I have wanted to see have more of a front role. Understand, I really like the characters of Walter and Olivia, but as jarring as it is seeing the cold, calculating Walter and, to a lesser extent, the peaceful, tranquil Olivia, the Impetuous Peter is not the character we have come to enjoy and appreciate. here’s hoping that Olivia and Walter can bring him back. The. Boy. Must. Live.

      All in all, another incredibly dark episode. One where despair was a palpable emotion.

      Six to go….

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  7. ML says

    That last scene between Olivia and Peter was beyond creepy. Man, I never thought I’d see Olivia be frightened of Peter like that but there it was. Wow!

    I loved the parallel between Olivia and Nina and how it was highlighted in this ep. Nina’s love for Bell and Olivai’s love for Peter. Both brilliant men but their egos end up hurting those they love

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    • _lost_stef_ says

      it was creepy wasnt it… the look Olivia had when she realised what Peter had done, i was heartbroken. But she wont give up on him

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      • ML says

        well, she’s stronger than me because I would. lol
        I don’t think I could forgive him for all the bullshitting he’s been doing either.

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        • _lost_stef_ says

          Yeah i hated the fact that he was lying to her and we both know that she could see straight through his bullshit.

          Ah The Dunhamnator sure is a strong women! It will be her love for Peter that will save him from completely turning, but there is a long road ahead for them. How will Olivia trust him after this? She has a lot to forgive him for. But because I’m so selfish i just wanna see some more Polivia forehead touching and some more Polivia make out scenes that always make me feel better

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          • says

            “But because I’m so selfish i just wanna see some more Polivia forehead touching and some more Polivia make out scenes that always make me feel better”

            lol . . ._lost_stef_, me too.

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          • JaniceG says

            I think we can assume they are sleeping in the same bed now. That’s a bonus. But then again, Liv is sleeping with an Observer. Kinda creepy.

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            • Smgdesignz says

              Well, Peter hasn’t been sleeping, so maybe they’re not sleeping together. That would be creepy if they were with how he’s behaving.

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              • FringePhile says

                I thought they hadn’t “officially” made up, but considering everything that has happened I would think actual sleeping is all they haven done (except for the nights Peter no longer slept).

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                • Rick Terry says

                  He looked into his immediate timeline and saw no chance for nooky so he decided a nighttime secret mission would be more fun than the alternative. ;D

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  8. says

    Nina . . . forever young.
    I am so happy that Bell kept her picture.
    She still has that gleam in her eyes.
    Such a beautifull scene with her and Walter.

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  9. ML says

    I actually was bored thru the Walter’s monologues over losing himself. The writers are repeating themselves with this already.

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    • says

      I loved the way he turned very narcissistic, but focused. He cares about the others. Nina will keep him on a short leash I hope, and guide him.

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    • says

      ML – kinda agree with you on that point.

      Also, did anyone think Walter was more concerned about himself when he found the picture of Nina in Bell’s safe rather than as a way to make Nina feel better? I found it to be quite selfish. Don’t get me wrong, I love Walter, but he can be very self-serving.

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    • JaniceG says

      ML-Agree. This repetitive dialogue has been a huge issue for S4 and S5. I can see using an impactful line maybe twice, but far apart. God forbid we hear, “look into my eyes” next episode. Or another rant from Walter about how he cannot remember the plan (we’ve seen that almost every episode it seems). I love me some John Noble, but enough.

      I have such a hard time being critical of the show as I really do love it (ok, maybe not S4 so much as I rarely re-watch those episode and constandly rewatch S1, S2, and S3).

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  10. Mike says

    I loved the Astrid/Olivia scene in the car. We don’t get to see them like that very often. Simply wonderful.

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  11. JM says

    Yeah so that was my favorite episode of the series, i honestly didn’t believe fringe could be that good again after season 4, but I was wrong. I loved every bit of this episode but I really, really enjoyed the Peter mission, Jackson is doing really well this season.

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  12. number six says

    I’m also getting tired of Walter’s monologues, but this time I was more focused on Nina and her various reactions to Walter. I admit Nina disappointed me as a character in S4, where she lost her ambivalence to Walter, Peter and Olivia and became 100% Team Fringe. Mommy Nina was never interesting to me. I miss that shady Nina from S1-S3, but Nina talking about Bell and how love wasn’t enough to keep him human brought back some of the interest I used to have in her, because this touches on something I’ve been worried about. I don’t want Peter to be saved by love, love shouldn’t be enough.

    Peter’s transformation is very disturbing to see and it hurts that he’s losing himself. I don’t think that he’s going to be of any help to Walter’s plan, he may actually put it in jeopardy, but I’m enjoying this storyline, because it’s bringing a much needed sense of danger and impending doom, that was lacking before.

    It was a very good episode, but it was hampered down by the exposition at the beginning.

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  13. Ian S. says

    I thought this was a really good episode. Ever since Peter implanted the Observer technology in him this season has gone from B+ to A for me, it just automatically raises so many questions (What makes us human? What are the ramifications for this? Should we consult with our loved ones with major decisions or does it depend on what we need?) It’s just great story that I lap up gleefully.

    Each episode (except for the Recordist…that was just all sorts of bad) has just gotten better and better, building on what we saw in the last episode. But I feel like there’s a certain emotional punch missing from episodes this season, and I think it has to do with the direction and filming. I feel like they’ve traded still cameras and the extra emotional beat of episodes for a sometimes shaky cam and more quick shots, each scene just is missing something. The premiere had that extra emotional beat and that’s why I loved it so much (and so did In Absentia and even The Recordist) but ever since The Bullet that Saved the World I just felt each episode had a great plot, story, theme … but just didn’t 100% deliver it to me, does anyone else feel that way?

    There are some plot contrivances that can’t be overlooked (Like getting to the Ministry of Science and meeting with Nina Sharp so…easily…though I imagine we’re supposed to understand it could have taken them a day to put together, I get why it has to be quick, only 13 episodes, but it really makes this whole Orwellian future lose a bit of its, well, “Orwellianess”) It sometimes feels like our characters are more observant than the Observers themselves, and I have NO idea how they don’t recognize Peter, he’s just getting arrogant standing in the middle of the street cars honking at him and sitting in an office building full of Observers who I assume (dear god I hope so) that they are Observant enough to recognize his face as a fugitive!

    If only this season was 22 episodes and kept the same plot it had now .. oh god that would be lovely. The lack of tension and quick cuts could become beautiful tense scenes (like the ones with Broyles in TBTSTW) and scenes with the extra emotional punch. Even an extra 2 episodes would just help. The whole tape storyline is almost lazy in a sense, but I forgive them because I truly believe this was the direction they always wanted the story to go and I think they wanted 6 seasons to do it, and therefore we would have gotten plot on the 2015 invasion and Walter talking about the plan and maybe even our characters understanding it too. Season 5 and 6 (both full 22 episodes) could be about the invasion and the 2036 future. I also want a glimpse into 2609 before the season’s over to truly feel for the observer’s world.

    I give this episode 8.5/10, delivering a good plot (although with plot contrivances), interesting themes and character development (finally tying up loose ends, Nina loved William), but just missing a certain emotional beat.

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  14. Ian S. says

    With only 6 episodes to go (yes it’s only that long, I really can’t believe it) I really do have a concrete theory. Although I’d love to see Peter as September, I feel it won’t be because simply the facial composition is too different and September would have at least hinted to Peter this in the End of All Things, and the Observers wouldn’t let September be responsible in erasing his own self in Season 4, too many variables to account for.

    I really truly believe the Observer child is September, and if he was about 6 in Season 1 (2008) then he would be 13 in 2015 when they put him in the Pocket Universe. In 2036, if he aged normally (and I believed Donald took him out of the Pocket Universe after Walter ambered himself, and perhaps even partly raised him) then that Observer boy would be 37. That age, mid thirties, fits September’s age. September, being around humans his whole life would develop some human emotional traits other Observers don’t have, and perhaps we’ll see how he became apart of the expedition team.

    A part that bugs me about this season is no one asked where September was, especially since Walter himself said “something unexpected happened to him.” I don’t know if Walter can remember that now, but if he can he should really share that. I don’t think September that we experienced is dead, or else Walter would have said that, so I think he’s walking around here (or perhaps brought back to 2609?) But the boy observer, who’s now September (if my theory is right) is alive and well in 2036, and hopefully safeguarded by Donald.

    I believe September and the team (and probably Peter since he’s now an Observer) will use the beacons to travel back to 2015 (or even more interesting, 1985), use the power rocks to stabalize the time travel, and the physics equation to change time and the course of events, perhaps making it so their future could never exist.

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    • Rick Terry says

      I love this theory. I also totally believe The Child is September. To further agree I also believe there will be some kind of time reset again before the series ends.

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        I agree that there will be some sort of reset before the series ends, i honestly cant see it going any other way.

        As for the child being September that could be very possible, and at the end of Inner Child when they boy passes September in the care they both look like they know each other. I would be very satisfied if this was the case.

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  15. ML says

    I always thought that in the end Walter would sacrifice himself to save the world he had begun to destroy with his actions…and that Polivia would have a happy end… But now I’m not so sure anymore that Peter can be saved! :(

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      • Rick Terry says

        Yep. It says something about the man, that he’d rather quit and be unemployed, than to take a slight pay-cut, and finish what he helped start. I do believe he would have wrangled JW’s soap opera antics and plot contrivances and maybe steered him more towards writing Olivia better. I feel that Wyman is a Peter fan, and has no idea what to do with Olivia, unless it involves falling all over herself over Peter. I believe Pinkner was the opposing force that brought balance to the writing “force” as in keeping the contrivances down to a minimum and keeping the mythology tight. But I digress since he is gone, and there is nothing we can do about it, but to just watch and hope Wyman doesn’t totally ruin Olivia’s character, or the show.

        On another note I am a Peter fan though too and do really like the potential this new story-line has to offer his character, I just hope Olivia isn’t along for the ride.

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        • Starman says

          Pinkner wasn’t really unemployed after he left Fringe, he was hired to rewrite the script on the next Spider-man movie. That was probably more lucrative than finishing out Fringe, especially since he would have had to take a pay cut. He might have stayed if he hadn’t had anything else lined up, and in any case he probably figured he wasn’t really needed since he and Wyman had already planned the direction of Season 5.

          I know some people seem to think that Pinkner was the genius behind Fringe and that Wyman was responsible for everything that went wrong, but I don’t see the evidence to support that. To me the show significantly improved when Wyman became the co-showrunner in Season 2, and I think Season 5 so far is a marked improvement over Season 4, although I know not everyone agrees with that. But I especially like the surprising character developments that have occurred in Season 5.

          I can understand Olivia fans being frustrated with Season 5 so far, but it seems like the writers may be setting it up for Olivia to be the ultimate hero. With Walter in danger of losing himself and Peter already lost, she seems to be the only one who can save the Bishop boys from their respective dark sides. I love all of these characters so I want Olivia to play a prominent role in the last few episodes, and given what is happening now she has to step up.

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          • JaniceG says

            Hey, I don’t blame Pinkner for not wanting to take less money to finish. Pinkner was there from almost day 1 (not Pilot, but first epi) so I can see that being a bit of slap in the face. As Wyman said, every man has to make their own choice.

            Having said that, the very best of Fringe was S2-S3 (mainly mid-point to mid-point). Storytelling, acting, creative, writing, production, etc. Those should have been the Emmy years for the actors and producers. Personally, for me, S3 of Fringe (if I had to pick 1 season), was the finest TV I ever watched. For 22 episodes, it was really strong, compelling, and fantastic. And that extremely difficult to do for that long. That’s why it’s special. Cable shows tell the story of 13 which I think makes it easier.

            I do think Pinkner balanced out Wyman really well. However, Wyman gave us “White Tulip”, “The Origin Story”, etc which were not sappy (or overly sappy episodes) insignificant episodes. I do wish Pinkner stayed on and I hope he doesn’t regret it.

            Regardless, I love this show and always will. Never have I been so intrigued by the mythology or impacted by the characters, their journeys and more importantly their relationships.

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          • ML says

            There was a little moment and we’ve seen Olivia react this way a thousands times before with Walter but when she yelled at Walter “we don’t have time for this” I was thrilled.
            It may sound funny but Olivia hasn’t done that all season. It was like our Olivia was back :)

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          • Rick Terry says

            The only evidence I can offer as to why I don’t trust Wyman fully is; “A Short Story about Love” Other than that I like him. I was just really disappointed with that episode in particular, and considering that Wyman soley wrote and directed that ep it has me scared for the ending of the series I love so much. But I am not giving up on Fringe, never have and never will.

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            • JaniceG says

              But Rick, he wrote some whoppers too including White Tulip and The Origin Story. To me The Origin Story had some of the strongest writing of the entire series. The O/W tape discussion was perfect for me personally (one of the best scene I’ve every witnessed on TV or film) . The last scenes where Olivia watched the b-day tape, called Peter edited with Peter killing Observer and insert tech were perfect acting, storytelling, writing, editing, etc.

              Maybe it’s the combination of writing and directing that’s the issue. He’s not really a director, correct?

              But I’m with you though. It worries me he’s doing both for the last few episodes (I think).

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            • ML says

              agree on Short Story About Love even though I loved the reunion at the end. I think Wyman was going for another Marionette type ep with it but it didn’t work half as well.

              But Wyman did write An Origin Story and co wrote In Absentia this season my 2 faves so far.

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        • James says

          I honestly think Olivia will be at the forefront by the end.

          She is the main-main character.

          Peter is going down his own dark path and Walter is going in circles (not a fan of this particular development by the way).

          Olivia is the only one of the big three who has remained grounded.

          I hope her cortexiphan powers come back into play, I want to see her fireball a group of observers/Windmark.

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          • JaniceG says

            Agree James. I really hope she ends up being the ultimate heroine while maintaining the underlying fantastic Biship boy arcs.

            I still maintain Olivia doesn’t need Cortexifan. Yes, she was hopped up on it in S4 so she could collapse the universes, but in S1-S3, she wasn’t “hopped up” on it.

            Olivia has always had the natural ability, something special. It’s corny, but she just needs to believe in herself. I can see her being very determined moving forward.

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          • rafa says

            see olivia with the cortexiphan powers back would be AWESOME. i just miss it so much. it is who she is, since her childhoodl, they can’t have disappeared just like that!!!

            oh, that reminds me that they haven’t explained yet why olivia was aprehensive when she received the news of her pregnancy. what was she worried about, after all?!?!?!

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            • James says

              I think this was a throwback to 3.22.

              Olivia was simply worried about bringing a child into their world.

              Every day/week they encountered a Fringe case with the world seemingly being threatened.

              Is it fair to bring a child into that world? Where it’s safety could be implicated because of it’s parents careers?

              And if Olivia had thought even more about it, is it fair to bring a child into the world where cortexiphan could potentially pass into it’s genes?

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            • Sam says

              All we need for her Cortexiphan powers is the right moment. A heightened sense of fear for those she loves is what always seems to trigger them. It all comes down to whether or not Wyman thinks Olivia should use any powers other than the power of lurveee this season :P

              rafa – that was dealt with in The Recordist. When she talked about how she always wanted to be a mother but didn’t think she was “programmed” that way and felt she was destined for something else ever since the Cortexiphan trials. Just another reason why she should get those powers back because I think for her to be truly happy for once in her life she needs to stop feeling like a victim of fate. You know, make good out of a bad situation, take control and embrace those abilities so we can finally say that Walter was right. He was only trying to help! She can’t go back and undo her childhood but this IS something that she can do.

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              • JaniceG says

                Sam -

                “I think for her to be truly happy for once in her life she needs to stop feeling like a victim of fate. You know, make good out of a bad situation, take control and embrace those abilities…”

                This is EXACTLY what should happen. It’s time for Olivia to believe in herself and FIGHT for what she wants. And that’s Peter AND Walter.

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                • _lost_stef_ says

                  Olivia will fight for what she wants and there is no way she is going to let Peter turn into an Observer…. after everything they have been through and loosing Etta she will be the strong one throughout all of this and it will be because of her that we have our happy ending.

                  Remember the Pilot episode & the lengths she went to, to save John Scott, do you really think she will roll over and stand back and not do anything to save her relationship with Peter and to save the world, it frankly is not in her nature.

                  Like i said earlier, Once a BAMF always a BAMF and Olivia will step up!

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  16. Ambered says

    Loved the dialogues between Walter and Nina! Fringe is still going the dark turn though, very depressing when I think about what has happened to the characters and what would be in store for them. Last scene between Peter and Olivia was really heartbreaking, it was Olivia’s worst fears coming true. She is losing Peter. Peter is focused on one thing only and it is has nothing to do with Olivia or Walter. I sure hope that an Observer can be reverted back to an ordinary kind of human.

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  17. James says

    It made me sad to see Blair Brown reduced to a “special appearance” in the opening credits.

    She was delightful though. Hope this isn’t her last appearance this season.

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    • _lost_stef_ says

      I dont think it will be her last appearance i have seen some set photos to suggest otherwise. sorry for the spoiler lol

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  18. Surun Tunne says

    during this episode i thought about the scene in the end of all things when september said to peter: “we are you, or were…human”

    fantastic episode but I hope olivia gets to do a little bit more in the next ep. :)

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  19. hsa says

    Random thoughts and questions:

    * I do not recall an episode in which the red/green lights/colors were more prominent In the final P/O scene, the lower right quadrent was bathed in reflect red light. What does this mean-I have to believe it is intentional and important to the final resolution?

    * As much as I loved the redverse and doppelgangers, I think there was a full treatment of that plot, and what we have in Season 5 is just as satisfying. Most of us very much wanted P/O to marry and have a child. We have had that and lost Etta, but she may be back. Kudos to the writers for giving us this plotline.

    * Even though I recognize the plot contrivances (last night I thought how do they get the money to buy the things they need!), I am so spellbound by the plot, acting, action and visuals that I really just let that go.

    * I can hardly believe that there are only a few episodes before the end. This is the most interesting, best acted and richly layered Sci Fi series I have ever watched in my 66 years (I watched almost all of them). Many, many thanks to Red Robot and all involved. I hope you all get residuals for the rest of your lives. I expect history to be very kind to this series especially because of its sensitive treament of relationships and what it means to be human.

    * It breaks my heart to hear Peter’s many outrageous lies–even with them, he jeopardizes his future with Olivia.

    *

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    • JaniceG says

      hsa – Agree with everything you just said. I’ve been a huge sci-fi fan since seeing Star Wars in 1977 (as a very young girl). The only series that I think compares in the SciFi genre is the recent Battlestar Galactica. We were lucky enough to see Battlestar run it’s course and now we are seeing Fringe run it’s course.

      I’m re-watching Battlestar for the 3rd or 4th time now and its so fantastic. Why people didn’t watch that is baffling. I’m baffled people didn’t flock to Fringe just for the emotion/feeling of it.

      Again, loved where you wrote.

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    • hsa says

      Thanks Janice-I also loved Battleship Galactica, but I was weened on The Twilight Zone and think Rod Serling was a genius.

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    • FringePhile says

      Despite the fact that Peter has a high IQ and it was suggested in the early part of the series that he was an excellent con-man, somehow it seemed as if his ability to lie was heightened by the tech inserted in his neck. I wonder too how Olivia will confront him about all the lies he easily told her…

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    • Red Balloon says

      @hsa good points. I don’t see the contrivance about the money though. Nina was a very big part of Etta and the Resistance in 4×19, so she could be sponsoring them since then, they aren’t showing us those little details because there’s no time I suppose.

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  20. 134sc says

    This was the best episode of Fringe I’ve seen in a long time. I always enjoy Fringe, but this episode was on another level. Easily 10/10. What I like most about the recent developments regarding both Peter and Walter is that they occured with 6 episodes left in the series, so plenty of time to recitfy the situation. I am excited to see how they resolve this.

    Fringe just gained the potential for a great run to the finish line.

    Looking forward to the next episode.

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  21. rafa says

    I want olivia the bamf back. This show didn’t begin as the bishop’s show, it began with olivia as the main point of view and main character. it’s just depressing it’s not going this way anymore.

    oh yes, and now i’m more mindblowed as i ever was before. i just can’t see a happy ending for the main characters anymore :((

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  22. rafa says

    even thought i hate that peter is becoming an observer, that might be important to their victory over the other observers, even if peter has to give up on his soul to do that.

    that is beacause i remembered that at the beginning of the fouth season the observers wanted peter to stay erased from the new timeline, but september ended up not doing so, and that was why he was punished later. not for simply warning the fringe team the observers were coming. and maybe the reason why peter had to stay erased was because he would be the one to make the difference in the fight against the baldies.

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  23. Robert Ariadne says

    Hard to believe we’re already past the halfway point now. Television is going to SUCK when Fringe is gone.

    Bell. I’m glad they finally addressed what exactly happened in 2016 just before the ambering, but the explanation seemed hollow. After what happened what him and Jones did in 2012, why on earth would they ever possibly listen to him again? The man tried to kill about 14 billion people (depending on the red universe’s population) and become a god. WTF?

    Am SO glad to see Nina again; she has been sorely missed. It was danced around in Novation and Brave New World: Part One that she loved Bell, but the way it came back to haunt her was so heartbreaking; and Walter being a dick about it didn’t help matters. That woman’s been through too much: Losing her arm, losing her daughter, unrequited love for Bell, the wheelchair, Walter holding a grudge with her for 25 years after he crossed over in the adjusted 1985, etc.

    With the new canisters, I am more sure than ever that the plan to defeat the Observers involves locking them out of time. I had inklings of this as far back as Letters of Transit, but now I’m sure. The Child Observer (who I believe is a young Windmark) is needed to activate it, like whatever they did to September (speaking of whom, WHERE is he?!?!) between The End Of All Things and A Short Story About Love. Perhaps the red rocks are a power source, and CO needs to psychically open the machine? Who knows?

    Another thing they’re overlooking, WHY haven’t they tried to reopen the portal to the other side? Surely, Walternate, Fauxlivia, and Fringe Division on the other side survived? Or, why haven’t THEY tried to cross over? Unless and until they address that in some way, I find that to be an enormous plot hole.

    David Bowie FTW. Seriously, they’ve been finding some great 80′s music this season.

    Peter. My god… What has that man done? He’s almost completely gone by now. Perhaps I’m the only one, but I could hear flashes of the Observer monotone even as early as last week. Joshua Jackson has really stepped up his game the last two seasons; probably the Peterless arc was a way to compensate for lack of an alternate in season 3. About the only thing left at this stage is hair loss.

    One last note, and this is particularly disquieting: the music played in the promo was the Funeral March from Richard Wagner’s (Hitler’s favorite composer, btw) opera, Twilight of the Gods. It’s about a war between the forces of good and evil that ends with the gods destroyed. Definitely fitting for a final battle between Windmark’s godlike beings and a dehumanized Peter.

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  24. Uncertainty says

    I couldn’t think of a better plot for the fifth season than this one. We are rapidly approaching the great finale and every week new theories arise and there’s a lot to be discovered yet. I think we have to be prepared to some harsh things to swallow in the end, but I personally enjoy it.
    Fringe is a series that could’ve very well been a classic sci fi novel. I’d love to have the series on a book.

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  25. Surun Tunne says

    it’s almost 4 in the morning in my timeline and I just realised that I would be so mad if they end the series with a reset…
    I think and hope the plan to defeat the observes is to lock them out of the universe…but I am not sure how they could lock all of them out…maybe at first they will use this machine to travel to another timeline where the observers have not invaded and then lock the intire observer world out of…everthing…but that would also mean they would sacrifice all the humans in this world too…

    well, sounds ridiculous but it would still be better than ending with a reset in my opinion…

    my other theory is that the machine will be a giant love machine that will somehow make the observers be able to feel love and then, they will all be nice and lovely people and live happily ever after…jep, that’s it…sorry for the spoiler guys!

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    • Rick Terry says

      But wouldn’t traveling to another timeline be resetting time? Correct me if I’m wrong but we have two universes, that can be traversed if the right tech or powers are used, and we have two timelines for both universes ([1]with Red Peter not drowning, and [2] with Red Peter drowning) , but they cannot be traversed as far as we know. They were overwritten by the respective new timelines correct?

      So what I’m getting at is if one of the team were to create an even newer timeline that would in effect be a reset. Or if one of the team were able to re-enter the original timeline, then that would also constitute a reset.

      I personally think that someone will either travel back in time to the point of convergence that led to the Observers coming into being, or someone will have to travel into the future, and destroy the Observer before they can begin to invade in 2015 our time. either one of these will constitute a reset as well.

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      • Surun Tunne says

        well, yes you are right
        I didn’t really put that much thought into my post yesterday :D

        I have no idea how it will end (and that’s a good thing of course) but the one ending that has been theorised the most (reset to 2016, olivia, peter and etta in the park, without observer invasion) would make me mad…

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        • Rick Terry says

          I totally agree. Hopefully the fact that it is THE most theorized ending, means it is certain NOT to happen (considering most theories end up being bunk anyway). Plus it is just too sappy if JW ends it like that. I don’t mind a reset as long as it has a cool WTF element to it. I hope the ending has me wanting to re-watch it immediately. I don’t want everything wrapped up in a nice little present with a pretty bow on top. I want to have something to think about after the little red robot runs across the field.

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          • Surun Tunne says

            yes, I think it is pretty unlikely that it will end like that, because, like you said, it’s the most common theory right now.
            I am not a person that wants to see a sugar coated happy ending no matter what..I just want it to be logical, I want it to feel “right”
            I also want the ending to be mind-blowing..when the credits roll I want to say: holy shit that was amazing, I absolutely didn’t expect that!
            but I am confident that wyman will not dissapoint me!

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  26. Anne says

    This episode was amazing and I don’t have anything more to say than what’s been said in a lot of previous comments (I “thumbed-up” so many ;) ). Gosh I’m gonna miss this show so so so so so so so much!

    What I would like to say here though is that I’m also gonna miss those smart discussions about the show! I’m always so amazed by the quality of the comments and thoughts, reviews and observations, both from Roco and the fans. I don’t think there are a lot of TV shows around here that have such a dedicated and clever fanbase. And that says a lot about the show itself. A smart show gets what it deserves: smart fans!

    Everytime I read things on this webiste, I’m like “oh my God yes, how could I miss that! Oh interesting theory! Oh I need to watch the episode again to catch this detail! Oh Gosh, I so agree/disagree with this!” and so on. Even if people don’t always agree with each other, everyone is so passionate and ideas/theories/opinions are most of the time well-argued. I love this “communion” around an awesome and cult show! I can’t think of a better way to celebrate and pay tribute to a perfect show that will for sure be missed!

    So thank you Fringies!!! You’re the best!!!
    Now this is not over yet, we have 3 weeks to get psychologically ready for the final round and the tough detox that will follow! (but I’m not worried, we’ll be there for each other ;) )

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    • Rick Terry says

      3 weeks is a fricken eternity for us Fringe fans! I’m sure you will see all kinds of other cool and crazy theories and discussions on here in the interim 3 weeks. We Fringies tend to get a little crazier as the time between episodes gets longer. WTH are we gonna do when it over?! :_(

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        • Rick Terry says

          I take it you are setting the blog up as we speak? Maybe Fringbloggers can change its name to Fringe-aholics Anonymous. F.A. One day at a time.

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          • says

            No, I am the wrong choice for such a blog.
            But I am sure that it would be in good hands to whoever wanted to consider it.
            How about yourself Rick. You are, after all, a Renaissance Man.

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  27. Sam says

    Anyone else wondering what was up with that Loyalist who passed by Walter as they were walking with Nina? Walter seemed to stop mid-sentence when he saw him.

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      • Sam says

        Ah, why didn’t I think of that?

        Observers and Loyalists are so inept I sometimes forget the team’s supposed to be careful around them :P

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  28. _lost_stef_ says

    I just did my rematch and let me just say that scene between Peter and Olivia was just as intense and heart stopping and no matter how many times you watch it, it will continue to have the same effect.

    We should all appreciate just how great it is!! And let me just say Anna Torv was fantastic once again, she can portray any emotion through her eyes she is brilliant. I cant believe she has never won an Emmy its a travesty. Josh Jackson was also fantastic, the whole cast is fantastic.

    Great episode!!

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    • ML says

      This is one of those eps I’m not quick to want to rewatch again. Watching Peter repeatedly lie to Olivia is just not fun to watch. Walter gets on my nerves. Noble sometimes overdoes it for me and this was one of those eps.
      Olivia and Astrid have hardly anything to do.(I swear if this continues Wyman better not come back on twitter. :) )

      Granted the last P/O scene was creepy and well done but I only feel so sorry for Olivia.
      Yeah this ep frustrates me.

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        Peter lies just to damn easily and as suspected Olivia saw straight through them.

        It is frustrating watching Olivia take a back seat this season when we all know her potential but i feel that with Peter and Walter now ‘Lost’ Olivia will be the one to step up and take the lead.

        In a sense we are now seeing the consequences of the 13 episode season. Everything is sort of rushed, some things have to be brushed over and unfortunately some characters have to take a back seat. i.e. Astrid, Broyles, Nina.

        Imagine what they could of done with a full season. We could have had more backstory et.

        The one element that makes me want to go back and do a re watch so badly is how fantastic the acting has been. And honestly i couldn’t stop watching if i tried, i just love this show :)

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  29. Lincless says

    Definitely one of the better episodes of the season.
    I liked what they did with Nina (similar to Broyles before). It seemed like they gave her more backstory and depth in this episode than in the 4 years before.

    Peter actually becomes interessting as a character again (unfortunately at the expense of Olivia), although his rapid transformation into an observer contradicts the whole evolution thing. I thought it was a much more intriguing concept when they lost their humanity over time and not because of implanted tech. Whatever.

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  30. Darth Kid says

    It’s funny, that season 5 almost seems like it’s being written as an opposite of season 1.
    Put it this way – in season 1, Fringe team is totaly new to this field, in s5, they are old veterans. In season 1, we laughed most of the time, s5 is depressive and heavy. In s1, Olivia was the main character and Peter was more of a side figure, this season it’s exactly the reverse. In s1, Nina was thought to be quite antagonistic, now she’s on the good guys’ side.
    And I can’t help but to kind of wondering which fan group is more displeased with their character (or rather with the development of their character).
    Because on one side, we have Olivia, that is kind of being ignored this season, and on the other side, we have Peter, a character that has a lot to do lately, but is also literally losing himself.

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    • ML says

      I’m enjoying this season but for me Fringe is Fringe and at its best when Olivia is being the FBI agent leader we’ve seen for 4 seasons.
      I want to see those leadership qualities again.

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    • Sam says

      Interesting way to look at it. Everything you said is true as well. All I know is that I’m not happy with this season for many different reasons and right now for me S1 > S5.

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