FRINGE: 5.06 Through The Looking Glass and What Walter Found There

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A Fringe team member takes on a new role, and Walter follows leads to a key piece needed in the battle against the Observers.

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  1. Ray D. says

    Anybody think that this is going to have a lot of parallels to A Better Human Being? With Fringe, nothing is a coincidence, and I’m inclined to think choosing Apt. 413 was done to tie in to some of the ideas of that episode.

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  2. rafa says

    PLEASE DON’T LET PETER TURN INTO AN OBSERVER

    i was thinking… maybe the observers are not observers on their own will. maybe they were forcefully turned into observers and their minds were subjected to windmark, like the clones in star wars. they were turned bad by the chip in the neck. but that still doesn’t explains september’s “humanity”…

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    • Fringe_WhereAreYou? says

      This season has become the season of very thin plot and awfully forced character interaction.
      Wyman is trying to be something he is not capable of, sorry, and that makes it embarrassingly bad.

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      • Sam says

        But as long as a bunch of people keep tweeting, “OMG best episode ever” to him every week he’s happy, will ignore any valid criticism and thinks he couldn’t be doing a better job. In his own words he wouldn’t “change a frame” this season.

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        • Fringe_WhereAreYou? says

          twitter is a joke.
          He has lost 500.000 viewers in only six episodes now. But I don’t think he cares. I would even go as far as to say twitter played a major part in what ruined this show.

          Just watched Science Channel’s trailer: those were the times!

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          • Sam says

            I loved what Jeff Pinkner said in an interview when he was asked how much of an influence fan feedback on sites like Twitter has on the writing. He was like they know they could write an episode just for those fans and they would be absolutely thrilled but it may not be the best story to tell. This is why I miss that man.

            Obviously at the end of the day the whole point of it all is to make your viewers happy. But what some showrunners do is start relying too much on that feedback and alter their vision in favor of fan service.

            Trailers like those and the callbacks are actually just making sad because it’s a reminder that once upon a time I used to watch a much better show.

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            • Starman says

              Pinkner was as much responsible for the relative debacle of Season 4 as Wyman was, and plenty of people complained that neither of the showrunners listened to their requests to get the show back on track. Pinkner’s comment speaks to that fact. Now I believe showrunners should follow their own vision, so I don’t think they should go out of their way to please the fans. And in fact Wyman is not going out of his way to please the fans now, or he would never have pursued this 2036 storyline with its radical departure from the procedural stories and alt-universe storyline that most fans expect from this show. Most of the current complaints stem from the fact that the show is doing something different this season and is not following the Fringe “formula.” I would say this last episode was the second weakest of the season (the weakest being “The Recordist”), but the other episodes have been much better, particularly in comparison to the early episodes of Season 4.

              I don’t understand why Pinkner seems to be placed on a pedestal while Wyman takes all the flack, because seasons 2 and 3, which were arguably the best seasons, were a product of Pinkner and Wyman, not Pinkner alone. Similarly, the weakest season (season 4) was a product of Pinkner and Wyman. Pinkner never wrote a solo script for Fringe, while Wyman this season has shown he can write a decent episode on his own (I think most people would agree that An Origin Story was one of the best episodes of the season so far). I’m not trying to bash Pinkner nor elevate Wyman, I think they both have made great contributions to the show, but there seems to be a lopsided willingness to elevate Pinkner and bash Wyman among some viewers of the show.

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              • Lincless says

                I think that’s the case because:
                – Pinkner was bascially there from day one (while Wyman joined later)
                – Wyman is known to love soap too much
                – Wyman is fast to praise himself
                – Pinkner left

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                • Sam says

                  What Lincless said.

                  Starman – I believe you and I have had this Wyman vs Pinkner discussion before. We clearly don’t seem to agree with each other on a lot of things and that’s okay. We don’t have to.

                  Unlike you if I’m crazy enough to prefer most of Season 4 over what I’ve seen in Season 5 so far then I’m afraid the only person I can blame is Wyman.

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                  • ML says

                    its too early for me to say whether I prefer S4 or S5. What I like about S5 is that these characters feel like our characters.
                    That was my biggest gripe about early S4. I sorely missed the relationships.
                    I’m loving the character moments this season granted it all is very sad.

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                    • Sam says

                      Yup, that’s why I said so far. But we have seen half of the season already so maybe it’s not that early. Thing is there are certain episodes from season 4 that I enjoy as a whole. With season 5, I still haven’t seen an episode yet that I want to go back and re-watch from start to finish.

                      About the characters, I don’t completely agree but yes there have been some great moments.

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                    • ML says

                      Really? In Absentia and An Origin Story I’d place probably in a list of top 20 Fringe eps. I thought they were very strong and felt like classic Fringe

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                  • Starman says

                    Sam – Fair enough, I’m not trying to change your opinion. If this season so far is unsatisfactory for you then Wyman is mainly responsible, although my understanding is that both he and Pinkner decided to pursue this 2036 storyline before Pinkner left the show. And my ultimate opinion of this season will depend on how well Wyman ties together the puzzle pieces and the character resolutions in the finale, which remains to be seen.

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              • Surun Tunne says

                I totally agree (except for the part that s4 is the weakest)
                the show got much better when season 2 started…the first season with pinkner and wyman as co-showrunners.
                pinkner is just as responsible for seasons 2, 3 and 4 as wyman.
                noone knows how season 5 would’ve been designed if wyman left instead of pinkner and in my opinion, s5 has proven that wyman is able to write amazing episodes on his own (transilience and origin story)

                not to mention that one of the best episodes of the series was written without pinkner…”white tulip”…

                it’s not my intention to bash pinkner, he was awesome but all the negative comments I’ve read about wyman just annoys me so much.

                I love them both

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          • ML says

            Wyman wrote 505 which was one of the best eps of the season. David Fury wrote this ep.
            This wasn’t a bad ep but I agree that we should gave gotten more answers.
            But I also think some tend to overreact when we get an ep that doesn’t live up to expectations.
            After last weeks episode everyone was loving the show now after a somewhat slow ep, some are talking like Wyman doesn’t have a clue.

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            • _lost_stef_ says

              thank you ML everyone is too quick to bash Wyman after this episode. I bet once the season is over this episode will fit in nicely and everyone will forget all the bad things they said about it.

              like i said earlier i rather enjoyed the episode

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              • Sam says

                Not me, I’ve been bashing Wyman since the premiere :P

                It’s such a short season that I will be able to remember each and every episode in detail. When you have a 20+ episode season, you can overlook a few that may not have done much for you.

                This seems to be one of those episodes which people either love or hate I guess :)

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        • KOs says

          Well said.

          There were some excitements last night. E.g. the inner child, peter’s portal ability, ok even pocket universe.

          And I have to admit I like the opening scene when Olivia found out Peter was alone watching the video message from Etta.

          But tell me, other than that, what had happened last night? most of the time we were staring at the video camera. What plot development did we see?

          I am not trying to be negative. I like this show from Day 1 since season 1. I am frustrated more and more since season 4. and i think Wyman should take some responsibilities on this issue.

          It’s the last season. It was the 6th episode last night of this last season but where is tension where are the revealing of the myths? Anti-climate is what i can say.

          These characters are showing more and more emotions compared to first few seasons. But I started feeling that is too much now. the show has big issues controlling the pace and focal points of the main story arc IMO.

          7 more episodes to go. Hope there will be more exciting things to be shown.

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          • matt says

            they could have done what these 6 episodes did in two or three episodes if they wanted to. it feels spread a little thin. I am still certainly enjoying (at least parts of) the season because its FRINGE, the best show ever, but sadly, I have to agree that this used to be a much much better show. It used to literally be the best show ever and something feels lacking now. I think its getting better again and there are some awesome elements like Donald mystery etc. but it just doesnt feel quitecomplete or up to the standards they have set for themselves int he past. It feels diluted somehow.

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            • matt says

              though I feel obliged to add that I did like last nights episode if not for advancing the plot, which none of them have really done so far with all the lame contrivances and wasting time with “the plan” now on home video plot and whatnot, but as an episode in and of itself it was enjoyable to watch.

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  3. Chris says

    The part where Walter mentioned he hasn’t been the same ever since they reinserted the pieces of his brain caught me off guard.

    I could have swore (at least in this timeline [whichever that one is now]), that they merely reactivated the pieces of his brain outside of his body in those jars. Then he became his old self for a short period of time to recount how he constructed his passage between universes. The pieces of his brain then died leaving him the way he was. Am I missing something?

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  4. JaniceG says

    Honestly, I just feel dread and no hope. This to me was way worse than Etta dying and that was terrible. We’ve all said that “this isn’t our Fringe” or “the old Fringe”. I’ve said, “well, it isn’t, but move along”. But this happening to Peter leaves me speechless. I could seriously barf right now. This isn’t our Fringe and this is a VERY DARK Fringe. Last week, I loved seeing Peter in this darker role. But, I’d rather see Peter die now, then him continue to down this path to becoming an Observer. I might be reading way too much into this, but my mind is blown for the wrong reason.

    Maybe upon re-watch, I’ll feel different.

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    • SissySiri says

      I agree with you JaniceG, except for Peter dying. I will not be happy if Peter turns into an Observer. I cannot even imagine him bald, in a suit with a fedora on his head. This was a very creepy episode.

      It is Fringe and they usually find a way out of situations. Fingers crossed.

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    • willg says

      I believe they are intentionally making it very dark because the payoff should be that much greater when and if they save the world or sacrifice themselves in the cause.

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      • ML says

        Agree. Things are obviously dark now and it seems as though Peter is at a point of no return but clearly the Fringe team will work TOGETHER to defeat the Observers.
        Wyman didn’t call it a “love letter to fans” for nothing.

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    • Astralcar says

      Peter was a dark character right from the beginning. In my opinion the story got much worse when they made Peter into a family man all of a sudden after Olivia went to the AU to get him back.

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      • elisa says

        Totally agree with you astralcar. People forgot that Peter was dark in the begining and then again when he chased and killed the shapeshifters in season 3.
        I, myself, am LOOOVING the dark side of Fringe (and Peter)!

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  5. BigPete says

    Does anyone else think that the observer boy Walter hid is Windmark’s son? Maybe that is why he is so damn crotchety.

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    • FringeSci says

      I’m sticking with my original theory that Donald is Sam Weiss. The guy in “the Recordist” said Donald was in his thirties and in the picture of him being carried off by Observers, he is wearing an outfit very similar to the one in “6:02 AM EST” and “The Last Sam Weiss”. Plus, his story really needs to come to a conclusion so we can find out which side he was on. Then again, Donald could just be someone we haven’t met yet, but I really hope its someone we’ve met before.

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        im not sure about it being Sam Weiss but you never know with Fringe (i wouldn’t be disappointed if it was him)… i also hope its some one we have met before. I just love call backs to previous seasons.

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    • Rick Terry says

      Wouldn’t it be funny if Donald was September in a bad wig!? I can see the conversation.

      Walter: September what is your real name so I can call you by it?

      September: It is Donald.

      Walter: Really? Ok lets go with it. Are you more of a blonde or brunette?

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      • says

        Lols Rick.
        Maybe Walter bestowed the honorific title DON aka Donald on September. Not to be implied in the mafia sense like Don Corleone, but in a social superior, wise beyond his years way.

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  6. SissySiri says

    What the heck did Peter see at the end of the episode in the train? That look on his face was one of horror, when the interior of the train went all Matrix on him.

    Scary.

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    • Rick Terry says

      I believe that is the way he now views the world around him with that tech in his neck. I noticed earlier that the Observers saw the portal to the pocket universe the same way, and that Peter didn’t have any trouble finding the pocket to get out of it either, since he too could see it plain as day.

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      • Amanda says

        I noticed that too, Peter was already seen things like an observer before that moment (like when he found the portal). The horrifying look that SissySiri is talking about is something else, something he saw in Olivia, maybe?

        Could be a thought from Olivia or, anything else? We have a lot to learn about the obs, and I still believe Olivia know something about Etta… that maybe were capture by Peter in the very last seconds of the episode…. or even some sort of signal from other Observer, like Windmark.

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      • shidey17 says

        That’s kind of what I was thinking. It’s like up to that point he hadn’t realized the negative aspects of having the tech and losing some human qualities. The observer told him he had made a mistake by inserting the tech and I think it made him think. Here is his wife, smiling at him, at it’s like he feels no emotion. He just sees the colorless info, and then it hits him what is happening to him.

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  7. DeepRunner says

    This. was. a. CALLBACK. SPECIAL. But first…a moment of silence for Cecil. Who never died when he should have, and ended up dying in the PocketVerse.

    * So Donald is the mystery ingredient. It will be interesting to see if we ever get to meet this guy. Who is he and what did he do to gain Walter’s trust and confidence?

    * EXCELLENT that they brought the Observer kid back!!!! Thank you Wyman for opening the corridor back into the first season. So now a bunch of questions…How did Walter find him? Why did Walter need to hide him? where did he go and who took him? Really twisted thought–Is he related to Windmark?

    * Is the PocketVerse WICKED COOL or what? Walter and Cecil walking upside down. All the Fringe glyphs on the various doors. Time winds up on itself. I am banking on the fact that that is a MAJOR EASTER EGG as the rest of the season progresses.

    * P/O. Her love for Peter (or her ideal of who Peter is/was) is strong. His love for Olive is still there but growing some Observer distance. It was shipper goodness for them in the scene in Etta’s apartment, as also holding hands crossing into the PocketVerse. Leaving Astrid behind…which leads me to…

    * Who else thought Abner/Astrid/Aphid/Alex/Claire was as good as DEAD when the Observer got to her? I would have been immensely sad if Aspirin/Astro had been killed off. Save her and make her important.

    * The Dunhamnator. Firing the gun in the PocketVerse and it wouldn’t work. Pulling the Hairless Henchman into Over Here and flatblasting him before he could react. Now that’s what I’m talkin’ about. That’s the Olivia Dunham we need to see more of. (She knows something is happening to Peter.)

    *P/W. On the bus. That was 24-karat golden father-and-son interaction, and not a little irony as Walter worried that he was becoming the old Walter…evil…callous…allowing the ends to justify the means…using Cecil while simultaneously not caring about Cecil. That he was saying all those things to his son, who is…mmm…losing himself…who…mmm…used the Observer while not caring about him and is now becoming one of them. The money shot was Peter calling Walter “Dad.” This is the third time in the series that Peter has done that. But, speaking of Peter….

    * OK, understand, I think he is becoming The Dark Lord of the Sith, but part of me was saying AWESOME when he took out the Observer. Flashing through space and time. He sees what he is becoming, and, like Anakin Skywalker, is being seduced by the power that he is gaining. If the Observers are the future, he is Prometheus the Progenitor. The terror that filled his eyes on the bus as he could see things in a different way. Seeing the portal from the PocketVerse back to Over Here. This is going to play out in ways that will be fascinating to watch. The telling scene was Windmark seeing what Peter could do. A showdown is coming.

    Another 10 out of the Wyman Cache of Excellent Eppys. Do we REALLY have to wait until next week for the next one? REALLY???

    OK. I’ll wait… ;)

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      • DeepRunner says

        Does that make me…an..Observer? ;) It really does keep getting better, doesn’t it?

        Seven left. Sad day for all of us when we say goodbye to a show that has been fascinating from Day One.

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        • says

          We are at the half way mark, and it is going to be very hard to say goodbye. My Friday night routine will never be the same.

          Did you notice an unusual change in Walter, a steely-eyed glint in his eye. Very subtle and very Walternate ?

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          • DeepRunner says

            If only they would bring Walternate and Elizabeth back. With the Faux O, sans Purple Lincoln. Just once more.

            Just. Once. More.

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    • says

      DeepRunner — as always, your observations are great and spot-on.

      “The telling scene was Windmark seeing what Peter could do. A showdown is coming.”

      Windmark not only saw Peter do the Observer thing, I believe that I spotted a hint of a smile. I’m not sure what that expression means, but it can’t be good. Quick theory: I think Windmark sees Peter as a possible tool to rid the universe of the Fringe team. As the Observer who Peter killed said — ‘you don’t what you have done (or something like that)’ — Peter may not have as much control over these new found powers as he’d like to believe.

      Also, the episode was a bit slow moving, but another excellent one nonetheless. I am loving this season’s P/O moments. I have never seen Olivia so open — she will be Peter’s salvation. I know a lot of folks don’t like the idea of Olivia as Peter’s teether, but I dig it. Peter has always been the one who was supportive of Olivia–always the hopeful one. Seeing Olivia possibly playing that role for Peter is really nice.

      I also loved the Walter Peter moment on the train, but some of the dialogue was too spot-on (i.e., ‘Peter, you made me better . . . or something like that). However, it was a nice connecting thread to the overall Peter/Walter story.

      I give this episode a 8.5/10

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      • DeepRunner says

        Scully8, I have wondered about Widmark as Sidious to Peter’s Anakin. I am curious to see what happens to Peter (for example, does he get killed?) and what Olivia’s response will be. She is open and loving and warm, but I am interested in seeing what she does if she loses Peter for real. I think we will see her character turn. One. More. Time.

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  8. Matt M says

    That and when Walter was spotted by the security cameras, it was very Person of Interest-y. Maybe Finch is actually the father of the observers. They’re all related to the Machine…but not the Boom Boom Machine.

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  9. Victor Trejo says

    Was it just me or did wind mark crack a slight smile when he saw Peter blip out?? I know observers are supposed to be emotionless, but still

    And in the promo, it could have been the editing but that smile that Peter made gave me a bad feeling haha…

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    • ~Blu~Phnix~ says

      I saw what looked a ghost of a smile on Windmark’s face in that scene too.

      Peter’s smile was very creepy. Almost fake. Get that Tech out of his head soon!

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  10. Alex says

    I expected them to do way more with the pocket universe and really play with the changing gravity and all that (like the epic corridor fight scene from Inception).

    Pretty anticlimactic episode in that regard but it will be interesting to see what happens to Peter

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  11. Victor Trejo says

    Also the building that the apartment was in it has appeared before right? It looked very familiar….I think I remember seeing it in an episode over there or it being observed by an observer at some point….or may be not lol

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      • g33k says

        Stopped by there the day they filmed at this building, fun tidbits for you:

        1) The building exterior for the building they enter is the same building used in s4 e4’s subject 9 as cameron’s building. The added an awning with a different address and lots of facade decor columns etc. They CG’d the upper level and there were a multitude of sfx trucks there that day! I didn’t see them film, just saw as they packed away some props.

        2) The same day they filmed a scene at a bus stop down the street from the building.

        3) The scene where Walter walks down the street on the way to the building and you see people standing behind him and an alcove behind him was filmed on the side of the building across the street from the building in #1 and THAT building happens to be the one they use as Fauxlivia’s apartment building.

        You can see both buildings in one scene in 3×17’s bloodline, the scene where fauxlivia thinks she is being followed as her mother drops her off. They shoot the observer standing beside the brick supports of the cameron james building as Fauxlivia enters her building across the street in the background.

        source: I’m fring33k on twitter, I helped write plan and execute the filming location walking tours for “the fringe event” charity fan event this last summer. I’m going to update the docs for season 5 after its over. My twitter profile links to all the walking tour info on my blog.

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    • says

      it looked like the apartment building from the episode in season 4 where Peter comes back. they go to it to find the cortexiphan kid who could make the astral projections. i immediately thought of that building, and flipped back to that episode. it isn’t the same building, different address, different doorway, but similar (both brick, comparable archways, etc.)

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        • SissySiri says

          That building has been in several episodes, it is very distinct with those white horizontal stripes. Since I will be watching Fringe on the Science Channel and my DVD’s it will be fun to make a note of how many times the building is used as a backdrop.

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  12. ML says

    Hmm I’d give this ep about an 8. I wanted more answers and I didn’t like how they kept teasing Donald.

    Once again its the character moments that saved the ep for me. That opening scene with Olivia and Peter was so beautiful. I’m really feeling for Olivia right now. Not so much for Peter because honestly I’m pissed off at what he’s done.

    The closing scene with Walter and Peter was beautiful too. I don’t know what’s going to happen in the end but one of these guys isn’t going to make it.

    This show feels so dark right now. I don’t like this dark Peter. I want our Peter back.
    I also need to see Agent Dunham back. It feels like Olivia is the only one of our Fringe 3 who has her head on straight. I hope its by design that she’s taken a backseat and that in future eps she’ll step uo. It doesn’t feel like Fringe with Olivia not playing more a part in the action. That one scene in this ep where she had the shoot out with the Observer reminded me of how much I love kick ass Olivia too

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    • Sam says

      See, this is kinda what I was saying a while ago when I agreed with someone about Olivia taking a backseat this season. I just said it while I was extremely frustrated so maybe it came out a little wrong.

      I have not watched this show all these years just for Olivia. But if my favourite character doesn’t have much to do in the last ever season then I will find it hard to enjoy everything else.

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      • ML says

        Yeah agree. Olivia has played such a large part for 4 seasons that it feels weird right now to not have her front in center of the action.

        But she is the only sensible one right now. Peter’s getting creepier by the minute and Walter’s battling old demons. Olivia’s the only one with her head on straight at this point! She’s already catching on that something is off with Peter.

        One thing I do like about seeing the Inner Child boy again is that Olivia had a special relationship with him. So I would think that relationship to play a part in the last few eps.

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        • Sam says

          Good point. Olivia (and Astrid too!) are the only two people capable of thinking straight at the moment.

          I did like seeing that kid again and really hope he’ll finally give her something significant to do :P I’ll take anything at this point! I know some suspect he may turn out to be September and I have considered this possibility myself but the child’s relationship with Olivia is precisely the reason I’m not 100% sold on this.

          September has always been Peter and Walter’s personal guardian and hasn’t really taken much of an interest in Olivia except for that one time he warned her about her death.

          What do you think?

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          • ML says

            Yeah September seemed to have more of a significance to Walter and Peter’s story. Though he has had a couple of interesting moments with Olivia. The one in the S4 finale was interesting. Olivia seemed so fascinated by him. I remember her looking at him in sort of wonder.

            Right now Olivia’s basically caught in the middle of a Peter that’s losing himself and a Walter that is battling his demons. She’s always caught up in their shit! lol
            I’m hoping that’s why she’s been sort of taking a backseat till now. In order so that she can have her moments in these last few eps.

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  13. Sam says

    True. But you’d expect the little boy who couldn’t take his eyes off Olivia to still feel drawn to her the most as an adult too.

    Crazy runs in the Bishop family! Poor Olivia, didn’t think about that before she married Peter lol. Agreed :)

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  14. Cari says

    Once again they left Astrid on her own. How she escaped death is a serious lapse by the Observers (I love Astrid but c’mon, she was soo off guard). I know she’s not one of the big 3 but it’s just the way Peter took Olivia’s hand without seemingly a thought for Astrid. I did love her mild frustration at finding everyone missing from the lab though…

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    • ML says

      lol. That was funny how they just left her. It was so weird. There should have been dialogue there at least.

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      • says

        Totally agree. It was kind of thoughtless on their part to just leave little Astrid on her own–seems to be the theme for her character this season. However, I was also a bit frustrated with Astrid for just standing at the window looking down at the Loyalist and Observers approaching. She didn’t seem to pull out a gun in anticipation or anything.
        I hate to say it, but Astrid is really not essential to the story this season (more than most). I think they just kept her on because we fans love her. I guess we just have to accept that Astrid/Abner . . . is there simply to hold down the fort and assist Walter. On the bright side–Jasika is getting a pay check.

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        • Lincless says

          Agree. I have always said Astrid should have died in Season 4.
          Astrid’s place was at Walter’s side but that became irrelevant with Season 5.
          They should have kept Lance Reddick instead. Broyles (or even Nina) has (or better: would have had) so much potential this Season, but he’s downgraded to a guest star with only 2 or 3 appearances.
          Don’t get me wrong: Jasika Nicole is a wonderful actress, but her characters just seems so pointless in this last season.

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    • Sam says

      Don’t you guys see what all of this is leading up to? By the time we get to the finale Astrid will be so sick of the way they treat her that she’ll turn on them. Maybe she’ll become a Loyalist or something.

      After they’ve defeated the Observers, the final showdown will be between Olivia-Walter-Peter and Astrid. I think she’ll put the Observer tech into her head and then they’ll be no match for her. But that’s the moment when they will finally de-amber Gene who will have the power to take Astrid down. Gene will save the day!

      I’m sorry if I ruined the finale for anyone.

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  15. number six says

    After last week, this episode was a letdown. Just because they threw in wacky angles and lots of weirdness didn’t make it better. Maybe I’m just tired of the tapes. Every time the tapes get more than a mention, the episode has to work its way up and this time it was no different, the second part was better than the first.

    It was embarrassingly clear Cecil was just a redshirt, but I liked the idea that he was living on borrowed time. If he ever went out of the pocket universe, he’d suffer the delayed effects of the explosion and die. That is, if Peter was right. Who knows?

    I don’t really care for callbacks, but seeing the bald kid from Inner Child gives me hope that they will explain the origin of the Observers and if that kid is also an Observer, I hope they explain how they go from empath to emotionless. I hope it’s not just tech, that would be the easy way out.

    It is weird to me how well Olivia is taking the death of her daughter. Other than her tears last week, she’s smiling and acting very reasonably, as if the tragedy had happened years ago or as if it wasn’t a big deal after all. How long did it take her to get over the death of her boyfriend or even Charlie?

    However wrong Peter has been putting the device in his neck and hiding it from the others, he is showing the most human and believable reactions in accordance to the huge loss he suffered. It could mean the end of Peter as we know him or even his death, yes, but not everyone needs to survive the last season and in the meantime I’m enjoying this story line a lot.

    I loved that huge poster of Etta.

    I didn’t love that they left Astrid alone.

    Was Windmark smiling slightly, when he saw Peter fighting the other Observer? I thought he was supposed to be emotionless!

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    • ML says

      Olivia smiling and laughing?
      Simply because she didn’t go over the edge like Peter doesn’t mean its less painful for her. I see Olivia as dealing with it healthier than Peter. Her wanting to watch the tape with him is a clear sign that she’s doing better than the first time she lost Etta.
      And thank God someones acting reasonable because Peter certainly isn’t

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      • number six says

        Laughing? What are you talking about?

        I find her way too reasonable, but I agree there needs to be some balance, since Peter has lost it. The thing is that I find his way of dealing with pain, unhealthy as it is, much more entertaining. It’s like watching a spectacular train wreck. The Observers are too inconsistent as villains of the season to find them interesting. Peter is a more unpredictable danger right now and I think it’s fun.

        It might not bode well for Peter and Olivia, but it doesn’t have to. I don’t think they need another happy ending.

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    • Aeana says

      “It is weird to me how well Olivia is taking the death of her daughter. Other than her tears last week, she’s smiling and acting very reasonably, as if the tragedy had happened years ago…”

      I also notice that, she is little unreadable on her feeling toward Etta death. My guess is that she mourns death of little girl she once knew. What we witnessing now is her finally facing with something she chose to ignore 20 years ago. And she wants Peter this time by her side. But what confuse me her speech about her not to be programmed to be mother in The Recordist. What was that about?

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      • Goodday says

        I too find her reactions and smiles every now and then a little bit disturbing. Even when she sat with Peter to watch the hologram, she sounded like she’s watching a movie. I don’t think that a mother who just lost her child would act so… normal. I understand that the writers want to show us that it’s in her character, and that it’s strength and all, and I also believe they tried to show some grief moments in last episode, but it all somehow didn’t work for me. She’s a human being, a MOTHER who just lost her little child, Which makes me think back at Alt Elizabeth, she too had quite a good strong character after they lost their Peter, and she stood there and tried to talk Walternate out of his grief, but all the while grieving on her own, and it was showed in a heartbreaking, and beautiful way, I saw a huge strength in her back then, but I also saw motherly instincts, for Olivia, I just can’t see that.
        Anyway, I think that Walter/Elizabeth losing Peter was much more well portrayed and written than Peter/Olivia loosing Etta.

        That said, it doesn’t really bother me that I felt this execution of the Etta dying arc was not that great, because I know that what the writers did before with the Peter dying/lost arc was one of the ideals in TV history and it’ll probably always rank as my number 1 arc in fringe.
        What really bugs me though is that yesterday’s episode felt like a filler, and I hope they stop teasing the Donald character already and give us more answers because I honestly almost fell asleep half through it, which is scary since I don’t like to feel that way when my favorite show is at it’s final season. And I’d hate to think that the final episodes could be pretty rushed because there isn’t much time left :(.

        Can’t wait for next episode!

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        • ML says

          I honestly don’t understand this “Olivia’s not grieving enough” I think the way its been portrayed has been very realistic.

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            • Goodday says

              No, Olivia doesn’t sob, but what I didn’t like is that she’d seemed more upset after her other side experience and the doppelganger issues than she’s now after she lost a child. It’s not the lack of tears or whining, it’s the execution that I didn’t buy. The scenes lacked something, dunno what it is but to me they felt a bit poor.

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            • _lost_stef_ says

              Olivia is a BAMF she just doesn’t break down and cry like a little girl…. she has been grieving did u ppl not watch ‘An Origin Story’

              She was heartbroken and she still is heartbroken she doesn’t have time to fall apart… the world needs saving & she is doing her part

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        • says

          All grief doesn’t have to be so obvious. I think, Olivia, after watching the video felt it represented moving forward–that Etta would want Olivia and Peter to survive together. Remember, Peter had a bit more time with Etta. We also have to remember that Olivia isn’t one to show her emotions. I believe Olivia’s story arc is about her opening up to be able to love and trust and Etta’s purpose on the Olivia story arc wis to help Olivia in her emotional evolution.

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          • Goodday says

            Ok, Olivia didn’t spend much time with Etta, but mother’s love and unconditional, when she loses her child, it’s like she loses a trivial part of her, it’s nature, instinct. Olivia doesn’t open up alright, but remember when she lost John Scott? She was even more closed up back then, but I still liked how they dealt with her loss; While she’d still focused on her cases and saving the world, she had her silent grieving, moments, and you could really feel her pain although she rarely cried. That’s what I hoped to see now, and more perhaps, since now it’s her little baby girl who died and whom she lost not once, but twice.
            And what saddens me more is her line “I wasn’t programmed to be a mother”, that was not even close to be an excuse for the writers.

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  16. Ambered says

    I was kinda disappointed with this episode. Though I wasn’t really bored while watching it, it felt like the progression was really slow. This should’ve been like half of an episode or something. It just told us that the Donald character is important as well as the boy Observer. The other stuff, we already know about and/or extraneous. Maybe the arc for this last season is very short and they are just stretching it?

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  17. Aeana says

    Regarding Olivia, I agree, she is in backseat, but she is also very perceptive and noticed something isn’t quite right with Peter. That fact could be crucial, also in my re-watch of some old episodes, I notice she is only rational and straightforward in Bishop gang, and she will probably at the same end be faced with big and final decision – kill one of the Bishops to save the world. That’s my guess. And she is famous for killing her (maybe first) love John Scott, so that is somewhat callback or not. I’m just throwing some ideas…

    Anyway, cool episode this one. I like dark path with Peter character, it suits him. We didn’t see much his back story, but we are repeatedly told about his misfits, con works, and even in the comic Beyond the Fringe we found out some of his bad behaviors in the past. So it’s like little foreshadowing with his character. And it’s logical – this man suffered A LOT! I would probably go crazy myself in his shoes. He is in no good place and no one could blame him for that. He lost Universe, original family, love and son/daughter repeatedly. He was manipulated by others his whole life and now possible he is main pawn in Bell/Walter hands. And someone mention the smirk on Windmark face – yes, I notice to, and I’m beyond curiosity what the hell this means.

    Loved P/O scene, it was sad and Peter obviously chose different path of mourning, not with Olivia. And I can get that, as I get Olivia and her need for Peter. She is finally opening up to pain and this is mayor shift in her character. I like this season so much more than season four. I still think of season 4, as one big filler season lol with three/four good episodes.

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    • says

      I so agree about season 4. I remember when everyone was saying that season four was going to be the Peter character’s season. Nope, it was about Olivia which I’m totally cool with by the way.

      Now this season seems to be a very strong Peter story arc and it’s over due. Josh Jackson has been terrrific over the past four seasons, especially with the material his character was given. This dark Peter is really cool and JJ seems to relish being able to stretch and have more to do.

      I don’t think we need to worry about Olivia’s relevance this season. She is always important and I don’t think that’s going to change. I believe she is the key to riding the universe of the Observers (Invaders) and to Peter’s salvation.

      One more thing about season four. The Lincoln Lee character was a waste of time and storytelling. He really seemed to be there simply as a possible love interest for amber Olivia and it didn’t work. Just sayin …

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  18. James says

    Christ, that was a waste of time.

    Fillerific.

    Looks like they’ve changed the child Observer actor too.

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    • says

      The child actor in Fringe possibly shot up a foot in height since season 1 was filmed. So they re-cast a new boy.
      Sort of like what happened to Walt in Lost. He grew taller and faster than anyone anticipated after his first season.

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    • Drenami says

      I was really bothered by the different actor too, but I guess if we can accept three different actors playing a child Peter then we can also deal with this.

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  19. Sajib says

    You know, I’m actually finding it interesting how there’s been a change of symmetry in the P/O relationship this season. Throughout season’s 1-3, we saw Olivia as the lonely, isolated figure who had to deal with tragedy and horrific revelations about her past i.e loss of John, Charlie, Cortexiphan Trials etc. She was this broken woman on the inside, who despite suffering all these tragedies, tried to remain strong for her family and friends as a way to mask her insecurities. Then we had Peter, initially a brash, sardonic, cynical man with genius IQ of 190, who proved time and again he had a heart of gold, come into Olivia’s life. He was always there for her to provide support, despite Olivia constantly pushing him away because of her own insecurities. But he kept pushing and making the advances, eventually convincing this tortured woman the value of companionship and that one cannot fight life’s problems on their own.

    And now here we are more than 20yrs later, and we can see the coin has landed on the other side. Peter is the one who is feeling alone and vulnerable, making rash decisions out of revenge without any thought as to how this may affect him and his loved ones, much like the father did. This time, we have a more wiser Olivia, who through her attatchment to Peter, understands the value of being there for the people you love and fighting alongside them. And something tells me that by the end of all this, she’ll get through to him and remind him of the lesson that he once taught her.

    “Olivia, I know you think you’re alone in this but this isn’t just your fight”.

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    • Briar says

      Yes, but Olivia *didn’t* make rash decisions, destroying herself out of a desire for vengeance. Olivia has always been the moral core of the show, the one who did things because they were right, the one whose empathy and sense of justice kept each episode on an even keel. In the same position, Peter has (so far at least) failed that test of character.

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      • Sajib says

        I’m slightly confused, could you point out where I said Olivia was a rash person? Or we’re you just merely trying to get convey your point about Peter and Olivia’s differing motivation for their actions?

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      • T says

        I believe Peter sticking the Observer tech in the back of his neck was meant to be seen as parallel with Olivia sticking Walter’s tech in the back of her neck in the pilot. Both were rash decisions and now Peter who thought Olivia was crazy for doing it in the pilot has come to understand her motivation.

        While I do believe the primary motivation for Peter is revenge, I don’t think that is the whole picture. Olivia and Walter are wanted. The only way to save them is to defeate the observers. That must be included in Peter’s motivation as well.

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    • ML says

      The thing is though is the writers are making it very difficult for me to like Peter right now.
      What he is doing is so selfish. Yes, I know he lost his daughter but so did Olivia. They all have suffered. He’s the one who talked to Olivia about doing this TOGETHER and now he’s off on his own. He’s lying to Olivia and not giving one thought to what his death would do to her. To lose Etta and then Peter would destroy her!

      Seriously I’m more upset with Peter than I am feeling sorry for him.

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      • says

        Were you just as upset when Walter took Peter, and didn’t tell Elizabeth ? What Walter did was unethical, but we all understood that he did because of his love for his son.

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        • ML says

          well its a little different in that Walter took Peter in hopes of saving him but had planned on returning him. Also the Walter we knew when he came to know what he did was this pitiful character who you couldn’t help but feel sympathy for. Also we’ve been living with these characters for 4 yrs so I feel more emotionally invested in them than I did with W/E so its hard for me to compare.

          Peter reacting out of anger and now lying to Olivia feels different. I’m upset that he hasn’t learned from past mistakes. I’m upset that what he’s done is wholly selfish. I’m upset that he’s not thinking about Olivia and Walter. I’m upset that in the next ep he seems to be getting a high from using this new power.

          That’s not to say when he completely hits rock bottom that I won’t feel sorry for him but right now I’m just more upset with him than anything else.

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          • elisa says

            You, and all the others that liked the comment, are crying like babies!
            Oh, poor thing.. you’re upset? here is some candy… LOL!!! J/K
            now, seriously:
            Peter is going to the dark side. Period. The same way Walter was going before parts of his memories were removed by Bell. The show has shown before HOW Peter CAN go that way (the story with the shapeshifters). This just emphazises the “be a better man than your father” line, from season 2. Peter is not being a better man (aparently), and that is the point.

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  20. Sam says

    Silly little things that bothered me in this episode:

    Astrid and Olivia constantly getting left behind by the men. Peter, aren’t you the one with the superpowers now?

    The Trio and Cecil running along in a line and the Observer above them could have shot any of them. But chooses to kill poor Cecil because…?

    Have these Observers heard of the concept of running? No point in teleporting all over the place if you’re just going to choose to walk slowly even as your target runs away right in front of you.

    They can’t aim properly. And don’t they have normal guns that actually kill people and don’t just send them flying backwards?

    They spot Walter while he’s on the street and reach there after everyone has already gone into the pocket universe. How slow can you get?

    Basically, the Observers are the worst villians ever.

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    • Aeana says

      “…the Observers are the worst villians ever.”
      Yes definitely haha, and what about their silly “air guns”?? Are they some pacifist?… what is contradictory just a little , but yes – why “air” someone?

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    • Ben says

      I’m assuming the Observers don’t want to kill them straight away because they need to find out what their ‘plan’ is to defeat them, so they can make sure no-one else could ever resurrect the plan in the future?

      And it’s unclear who it was who spotted Walter in the street, I thought it might’ve been the landlady with the bionic eye, in which case it’s possibly understandable that she’d take a while to inform the Observers. If it was an Observer or a security camera though, then there’s no way it should’ve taken them that long.

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      • Sam says

        Even if they don’t want to kill them right then and there, they still suck at trying to capture them and always let them get away.

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        • Ben says

          Not always, they did capture Walter in episode 1 and killed Etta, though I do think they could do more to make the Observers seem an almost unstoppable threat. I have more issue with the fact that the team just walk around in the open, on trains, in shops, walking right past “Observers” who just aren’t very observant.

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          • Sam says

            They’ve had more than a few opportunities to capture all of them at once but they don’t seem to make a good enough effort and act like our team magically escaped. Of course if they are captured then that would be the end of the show but avoiding the Observers just looks too easy.

            I also have an issue with the way they can all roam around so freely when they’re supposed to be fugitives.

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            • SissySiri says

              If the Observers capture and kill everyone there will not be seven more episodes. Or the actors could sit hiding in a lab and wait until the end of the series. ;-)

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  21. hal says

    Personally, I thought it was the best f*cking fringe episode ever with huge payoff and it threw back to epic sh*t from the matrix and all sorts of mind candy… this is the fringiest episode yet, and peter has become..the WONN.. lol

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        • Sam says

          Unless there’s a twist, if they tech goes I’m guessing so will the powers. I don’t think he’s going to have it stuck in his head forever. So that will be the end of his Neo days lol.

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  22. Ben says

    I loved the episode personally, not quite at the same high standards of last week but still found it very enjoyable and intriguing.

    I’m not sure what people mean when they say there’s been no plot advancement: we now know that the Observer child from season 1 is a crucial part of the plan, we’re getting more of an idea of how Peter’s implementation of the Observer tech is going to affect him. While they Observers haven’t been the most convincing villains in that they seem somewhat easy to trick and to escape from, it’s very believable that they would take a long time to defeat. If the Fringe team just got all the pieces of the plan together in one episode then blew them all up, it’d be a bit anti-climactic.

    The pocket universe was a fascinating concept that was very well executed. Was the person at the end of the corridor that Walter kept seeing merely Cecil, or was it Donald, or something more sinister? The inclusion of the glyphs on the doors was a great concept as well.

    The slight smirk on Windmark’s face at the end looked like one of bemusement to me, recognising the irony of Peter’s actions. However, it also reminded me of Emperor Palpatine revelling in the anger in Luke Skywalker at the end of Return of the Jedi. I really hope Peter doesn’t become a fully-fledged Observer, as the idea that the only reason for their existence is that tiny piece of tech in their necks seems a little hollow for me. I do think that this plot development is one of the most interesting directions Fringe has ever taken, and I’ve always felt the show’s exploration of the darker side of humanity is probably its most fascinating element.

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  23. Surun Tunne says

    oh my…what if peter reads the mind of windmark and then knows everything about the plan?

    great episode, I waited so long to see the kid observer again! :)

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  24. says

    Does any one realized that through this episode the time inside the pocket universe was the same that outside? According to Cedil 5 days=20 years and they were there for say 15-20 minutes? What a lame of episode..

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    • Ben says

      Maybe the time distortion is irregular and only starts after a certain amount of time in the place? They definitely should have addressed that though, which is disappointing since Fringe is normally so good at getting the details right.

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      • QRF2008 says

        Good point. 1 minute in this pocket verse equates to around 1 day in main verse ? So if 15 to 20 minutes in pocket then about 15 days have gone by when they come back in the main verse

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      • says

        Well, the pocket universe seemed to have different/distorded but well-defined laws (not irregular). But ever if these laws were irregular, it really gave the feel that it was EXACTLY the same time inside and outside.

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  25. kelly says

    the olivia character was always about the bishops. She crossed the universe for peter and it was walter who dosed her with cortexiophan.
    And she is not that independant at all. She seems to always need a man in her life. oliva in the pilot was again about a man. We have been introduced to her character when she was in love. She needed walter and peter at the time and she still does.

    All the storylines in fringe about olivia where about peter or walter. She doesnt have a storyline on her own without the Bishops.

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  26. Anita says

    I know Peter calls Walter “dad” in this episode and of course in season two before he finds out he’s from Over There but has he ever called him “dad” any other time??

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    • Surun Tunne says

      I cant remember the exact conversation but in “the day we died” peter said “you’re still my dad” to walter

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    • Lincless says

      He called him “dad” in “The Day We Died” after he took him out of the prison (and later call Walternate “dad” as well).
      I don’t remember any other time he did.

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  27. J.P. says

    Huh… again, I’m at a crossroads with this one. It wasn’t an awful episode by any standards, but it wasn’t a good one, either. Little plot development and forced character development. That’s what this entire season’s become, I’m afraid. It seems to me like Wyman and company don’t really know how to end this season, or like they don’t even have the “epic, 13 episode serialized storyline with no fillers” they promised us. It feels as though this season, at its core, could be told with 7 or 8 episodes, but not 13.

    Some things bothered me, and I’m not the first one to point these out, but whatever. One of the first things that stood out to me was how, after stating it was dangerous for one member of the team to be alone in the city, Peter and Olivia ditched Astrid without even a single line of dialogue… Okay, then… And it happened again, near the end of the episode, when Peter left the pocket universe before Olivia did, knowing full well there was an Observer chasing her. He’s Superman now, right? And, he hates the Observers with a serious passion, so why wouldn’t he have sent Olivia out first, all the while getting an opportunity to kill another one of his enemies? Ugh… And then there was that Inception-like twist; that time operates differently in the pocket universe than in our universe. Cecil was in the pocket for “5 days”, but it was actually 20 years in our world. But, when the team was in the pocket for likely 15-20 minutes, upon returning back to our world, they were gone for only 15-20 minutes… If “5 days” is equivalent to 20 years, then even after being gone for 15-20 minutes, the Fringe team should have returned days, even weeks later. Ugh…

    And, on another note, I’m really not a fan of the way these Observers have been written and presented to us. I get that they’re supposed to be the “bad guys” (or “Badservers” as they’ve been referred to online), but that doesn’t mean they have to be written like two-dimensional tyrants with absolutely no depth or complexity or sympathy to them. I’ve always found Fringe to be pretty good at balancing out the “bad guys”; taking them out of the black and putting them into the grey zone, trying to garner some sympathy or empathy or at least some understanding from the other characters and the audience (like Walternate, for instance). But here… the Observers have no depth to them, and they seem to know that. It’s like the Observers know they’re “pure evil” and kind of enjoy it… If that’s supposed to be the case, then alright, but they should at least explain why. If these invaders are supposed to lacking any emotion, then explain why they seem to enjoy enslaving and killing people. And, it doesn’t help that all these “Badservers” (with the exception of maybe Windmark) are terrible actors… They’re clearly all trying to imitate Michael Cerveris’ genius performance, but it just comes across as bland and laughable. Maybe it’s too early to judge. Maybe in a few episodes we’ll get into the Observers’ mindset and find some complexity to them. I’d like to have an Observer make it clear that they are just trying to survive, like the resistance, and are only doing what’s necessary. But, maybe that’s too much to ask from Wyman, who is a pretty manipulative writer when it comes to things like this…

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    • ML says

      Regarding Peter leaving Olivia in the pocket universe.
      I think we are supposed to think that what Peter did there was not Peter like. Because it wasn’t. I think we are seeing signs of Peter losing his humanity.

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    • Lincless says

      Oh yes, the observer actors are terrible. Especially the one who interrogated that guy from the resistance in the episode with Broyles.
      Your point about Walternate vs. Invaders is just another example for the loss of quality in this show.
      Even Newton or Jones as minor villains were given solid explanations but the observers….

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    • Ben says

      I actually thought the actor playing the Observer who was interrogated by Peter did a good job, but I suppose evaluating acting is always subjective. I think the angle they’re going for in terms of the Observers is that they’re almost emotionally vacuous, but like Peter said, their origins are human, so maybe it’s believable that they’d still have some nasty traits like arrogance left over.

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  28. says

    I think it’s more like Peter know’s that Olivia is a badass and can take care of herself. I don’t know, maybe I’m trying to give Peter the benefit of the doubt or actually the writer. I know everyone loves Fury, but I haven’t really loved the episodes he’s written. Maybe I’m just saying that because he was an advocate for putting Olivia with the Lincoln character in season 4. Call me a shipper . . . :-)

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    • ML says

      He knows she can take care of herself but the way it played was very cold and detached. He basically threw Walter thru the portal and barked directions back at Olivia. The Peter without the tech in him wouldn’t have done that.
      I do think it was the writers way of showing Peter not being himself.

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  29. ML says

    On rewatch I really do think eps like this one will work more when we see the entire season. It’s like we are getting bits and pieces of the puzzle in each ep.

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  30. _lost_stef_ says

    Okay….. I just watched the episode for the first time (yes i am very delayed but had some stuff on this weekend). Ive read most of the comments and it seems that the majority of you weren’t impressed with the episode compared to previous, which is fine.

    Personally i rather enjoyed it..

    -Firstly we had some Polivia love :) (which i always enjoy)
    -We had funny Walter on the tapes, ah the man sure does love is pastries.
    -We had pocket universes.
    -We had creepy Windmark staring scenes (he freaks me the f out every time)
    -I especially loved the call back to ‘inner child’ idk what it is about that episode but it has to be one of my favs from season 1, so it was great to see that the boy is relevant to the plan somehow.
    -We then had Olivia being all BAMF and looking rather fine doing so hehe :P
    -We then had Peter being all BAMF and kicking Observer ass (luckily i inducted him into the BAMF club few episodes ago)
    -Then my personal fav the Peter/Walter scene….. damn they are doing a great job this season with the character progression. Every episode we are getting like EPIC scenes. I’m loving it.

    ‘im losing the man you helped me become’

    a line i feel is quite fitting considering Peter is also losing himself.

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  31. mlj102 says

    To those who feel that Olivia’s grief over Etta’s death isn’t being portrayed well:

    I think Olivia’s reaction to Etta’s death has been exactly what I would expect from Olivia. She feels that loss and we have seen that in every scene with her since Etta died. But Olivia is one who copes by internalizing the grief and sadness she feels. She withdraws into herself. The last two episodes, I’ve felt she has been portrayed as hollow, a shell of her former self. She’s doing what needs to be done, but it’s more like she’s just going through the motions rather than having the drive and conviction and emotion that she had before. She’s been quieter, more thoughtful and contemplative. She’s there, but not there. All of those things are evidence of her state of mind and how she feels over the loss of her daughter.

    I think Peter is another factor pushing her to bury her emotions over Etta’s death. She can’t dwell on how she feels or openly express those emotions because, out of necessity, she has to focus on other things, including fighting the observers. But she’s also concerned about Peter. He has clearly taken Etta’s death very hard and his response has been to actively do things to seek revenge. Right now I think Olivia’s concern for Peter has to take precedence over her sorrow for Etta’s death.

    It seems to me that she feels the loss of her daughter very strongly. It’s like a part of her was taken away. Now she’s trying to figure out how to move forward and redefine herself. She is mourning in her own way and as much as she can given the circumstances. I don’t see how anyone can claim that Olivia seems unaffected by Etta’s death or that her response isn’t appropriate for a mother who just lost their child. I guess everyone will interpret it slightly differently, but personally I think her sorrow and grief has been very apparent.

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        yep me too 100% agree. i dont know what show those people have been watching if they think Olivia hasn’t been ‘grieving’

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  32. ML says

    I disagree a bit. What Olivia did the first time they lost Etta was withdraw into herself.
    She threw herself into her work not wanting to deal with finding the body of her little girl. We saw the stoic and unemotional Olivia who came out the amber.

    But after Etta taking from her and Peter a 2nd time its been different. This time she got to say goodbye to Etta. She told her she loved her and after her talk with Walter when he urged her to watch the tape we’ve seen a very different Olivia.
    She’s no longer being stoic and unemotional but instead she wants to share this with Peter. I love how loving and open she’s trying to be with Peter.

    That’s why it so heartbreaking what Peter has done to himself. Olivia’s chosen to deal with this much healthier than Peter who is right now just hell bent on revenge.

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  33. Rangasoup says

    Did anyone else see the white reflection appearing and disappearing in Walter’s right eye while in the pocket dimension? Not sure if this an editing bug, but it appears in the episode at:
    15:12, 19:50 (Really faintly), 23:51 (Heavily), 24:39 (Really faintly), 30:48, 31:03, 31:19

    Could this mean something?

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  34. DeepRunner says

    So, not to necessarily belabor a point about this season, but…why did the Observers come back to THIS point in time? What was it that made this version of the world so attractive to them? To my knowledge, it has never been revealed. Did I miss it, if so?

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  35. NABR says

    Windmark beats Etta up in 5×04
    An Observer beats Olivia up in 5×05
    Then another one beats Astrid up in this episode..
    No need to wonder why there aren’t any female observers!

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  36. _lost_stef_ says

    I would just like to add one more thing and i’m confident @Shidey17 will agree with me, OLIVIA was looking mighty mighty fine in this episode particularly the last scene’s on the monorail…. :P

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  37. Darth Kid says

    Ok, I have to say that I’m getting quite annoyed by this scavange hunt in season 5. If the writers’ plan is to have an entire season of team following some tapes to find pieces of a plan to defeat the Baldies, I’m going to be a very dissapointed. Sure, we have more interesting plots like Peter’s transformation or Etta’s death but the central story is still the scavange hunt, and these seem more like side plots to make the story more interesting. But the main story is more or less: liberate the tape, complete the objective, avoid getting captured by Baldies.
    It kind of feels like watching a video game. It’s repetitive, not very original, and it also gets kind of boring in time. We have only 13 episodes in this season, it would be a shame if the main plot line would continue to be this scavange hunt. I’m sure they can think of better.

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  38. Cortexiphan Kid says

    Wau. Peter got the Matrix vision (in blue version).
    I guess next, that bald kid is going to tell him that there is no spoon.

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      ”I imagine that right now, you’re feeling a bit like Alice. Hmm? Tumbling down the rabbit hole? ”

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  39. Ray D. says

    This is a bit out there, but here goes:

    I remember reading somewhere that this season was going to, for who knows what reason, give some sense to the message of Brown Betty. Some of the questions we’ve seen in Brown Betty have been answered. Now, I think Brown Betty might give us some answers to this season.

    From the review here, we wonder “Does Peter really have something inside him that will become important in the future of the show, or should we only take the glass heart as a metaphor for Peter’s importance in the ‘Two Worlds’ storyline?” When I saw that, I had to think about the tech in the neck. From Brown Betty, we saw Peter give up part of himself (his heart) to save Walter. Might we see a similar situation where Peter, in order to save Walter/the world, give up his neck tech?

    I get that that’s grasping at straws a bit, but I think there’s an opportunity to draw some connection to Brown Betty as had been suggested by Wyman (IIRC).

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  40. Anderdon says

    Was this the first/only episode that the glyphs appear anywhere but commercial breaks? Isn’t their a code to them that was fan broken after s1?
    How many and which appeared on the doors? Why the apple?
    The building, halls and apt reminded me of the ep where tears started between uni’s and the old couple thought they were seeing ghosts of eachother.
    It was a love story ep and i’m always reminded of it when things get emotional with p/o. Sad that etta is dead but that ep is also a reminder that p/o will always be together/find each-other over universes, time, death. Etta is half of both of them. My prediction is she will return.

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  41. Rangasoup says

    My crazy alternate theory: The writers expect us to think that he will become September, but what really happens is he becomes Captain Windmark through some circumstances (They are playing up observer-Peter to seem like he will become more powerful than any other observer, and Windmark is probably the most powerful, at least more than September). The reason the observer child is the most crucial part of the plan is that he is September, and they need to send him back to the beginning to prevent all this from happening, maybe even by only saving Walter from the lake and letting Peter die. But the child has been around humans most of his life, influencing him to have more emotions and empathy than a regular observer (just like September), and this causes him to fail his mission and save them both. Although this creates a bit of a time loop, but the writers can probably find a way around it.

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