FRINGE: 5.04 The Bullet That Saved The World

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PIVOTAL AND EMOTIONAL EVENTS UNFOLD ON AN ALL-NEW “FRINGE” FRIDAY, OCTOBER 26, ON FOX

When the Fringe team tracks a lead into a hostile and heavily guarded location, Phillip Broyles resurfaces…but can he be trusted? Find out in the all-new “The Bullet that Saved the World” episode of FRINGE airing Friday, Oct. 26 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR-504) (TV-14 V)

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth

Guest Cast: Georgina Haig as Henrietta/Etta

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        • M says

          I know. I thought he was dead, then he was just standing around for some reason. I was confused for a solid thirty seconds.

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        • Scott42444 says

          I personally thought they were going to pan down and to the right (“stage left”) and show Etta there with Windmark. I was thinking that he grabbed her and teleported, realizing that they DID go back for Etta but had already left when he noticed the necklace gone (he is the only one who could even piece that information together anyway). Realizing that LOVE is the one component that humans have that gives them HOPE and MOTIVATION, he grabbed Etta and healed her in some special futuristic Observer way in order to use her as bait later on.

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    • Dan S. says

      Hey, I’m surprised no one has mentioned the bullet on the necklace. Etta and Olivia referenced it so much, and it seems clear that as it was the bullet that Walter shot Olivia with to trick William Bell, that this common theme has been repeated with Etta and Widmark. She’s taken a bullet for the team and will be brought back to life, as Olivia was. How? That remains to be seen!

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        • ML says

          I think so too… September was time traveling, so why can’t the Bishop family… to get rid of the Observers before they even have the chance to invade!

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  1. JaniceG says

    Me too! Still have 3:45 minutes for West Coast showing. Hope not too much spoiled via forums and Twitter. Hard to be 100% spoile free.

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        • Rick Terry says

          Yeah it was great. I hate that Etta died, but I get it. Fuel for Peter, and the Dunhamnator to get their @$$es in gear. I can’t wait to see what Peter does to that Observer. On a separate note; What the heck happened to September? I hope we find out soon. I miss his face.

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          • says

            I was surprised about the Broyles/Etta relationship. The reunion scene was so fantastic. Olivia’s reaction, just perfect.

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            • says

              It is very telling that when Etta became consciously aware that she was going to die, she had a flashback to her youth, and that day in the park that changed everything.

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              • Rick Terry says

                Yeah something tells me that just might be the last scene of the show, and I have mixed feelings about that. I mean if done just right it could be beautiful. But if we can seem to figure it out already then they probably aren’t going that route, or there will be a twist we haven’t thought of. You know what I mean?

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                  • Rick Terry says

                    Man you just blew my mind. I was thinking Nina might be “The Dove” but now I’m rethinking that. Could it be possible that she has her mother’s ability to cross over? Maybe that is what happened when she disappeared from P&O in 2015 when the Obsevers attacked the park.

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            • Lincless says

              I would have prefered to see her refer to him as “Sir”, just as he did with “Agent Dunham” to celebrate the old days. Her “Phillip” was convincing to me.
              But apart from that detail, I agree.

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    • says

      The ska music intro by The English Beat at the curio shop was great.
      However, Rankin’ Full Stop ends with the line ” I’m dead. ”
      Sure prepared me for what was to come.

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    • _lost_stef_ says

      Some massive balls, And I ain’t in a forgiving mood right now although I understand why I still can’t forgive ATM lol

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    • JaniceG says

      Yes, very ballsy. I’m speachless for many reasons. Very touching and heart wrenching episode. Peter is not happy. Liv is broken.

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  2. Rick Terry says

    I knew it was coming, and yet it killed me when it played out. I kept hoping I was wrong all the way until it happened.

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    • rafa says

      me too… i saw that coming, and yet it’s still shocking. it’s devastating when you know she was so young, and they were only gatting to know each other :(

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    • Scott42444 says

      I knew it was coming, too. I thought it might be Walter, Olivia, or Astrid before the episode aired. Then, right before Windmark got Etta, I thought it might be Walter but that wouldn’t make sense because they wouldn’t be able to fight back without his brains and expertise AND he already got tortured (which SUCKS, since I was very excited to see Walter working with ALL of his faculties this season after the brain tissue regrowth of 4.19). I heard or read about Joshua Jackson referring to episode 4 being a pivotal episode for Peter’s emotions so I figured someone was going to die. I can’t get enough of Fringe but I REALLY shouldn’t watch anything or read anything because I don’t really like getting spoilers. But, when there is stupid crap like Baseball (and my Cubbies aren’t playing) that continually interrupts and hurts the ratings of the awesome show that is Fringe I just CAN’T WAIT when there are more than 7 days in between episodes. I really wished that this, the final season, was going to be completely uninterrupted and run all 13 episodes all the way through without going on those damn hiatuses. I REALLY hope the Mayans were wrong, or else we all will never know how this whole thing ends!

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  3. Hannah says

    I cried when they saw broyles and then when the unspeakable happened, and now. I fear there will be many a tear shed over the next weeks episodes and for sure on the last. Oh fringe, why must you do this to me.

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  4. M says

    Meanwhile, in the alternate universe…

    Lincoln: This universe sure is boring. I’ll bet Peter and Olivia are having a ton of fun right now.

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    • Rick Terry says

      They’re all retired kicked back in a lounge chair. Unbeknownst to us their world did finish healing, and the Fringe team got to disband leaving everyone with hefty pensions for the rest of their lives.

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      • Hannah says

        And Lincoln and altlivia had baby Ella, she’s badass like her momma, but boring and nerdy like her papa, and she loves Sesame Street and the line “one of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn’t belong” because her father says like a million times.

        I’ve been holding in that Lincoln hate for a while.

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  5. SissySiri says

    I enjoyed the Broyles reunion, but that was short-lived so to speak, with what happened to Etta.

    I was shocked; I really did not think it would be her. I truly hope the one death is enough to satisfy writers seeming obsession with someone having to die in all these shows.

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  6. Walternate says

    Great episode…but honestly though, Etta’s death played some really big emotions in me. Actually to the point of being extremely angry at the Observers.

    Kill.
    Them.
    All.

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  7. bdp says

    HOLY CRAP! That was insane. Great to see they’re not pulling any punches in the final season but hell, I’m gonna miss Etta. And how brutal is it for Peter & Olivia to lose her all over again. I’m worried this is going to drive a wedge even further between Peter & Olivia, it’s basically the same thing that happened to cause their drift apart in the first place (the promo seems to show that as a potential risk). However I think even if it does temporarily cause Peter to be blinded by revenge I think this time it’ll cause them to eventually repair the damage and Peter will hopefully be able to understand that Olivia needs him this time instead of letting his drive for revenge blind him to everything else.

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    • Rick Terry says

      See before there was never closure. Their little girl was just abducted, then some months later they had to amber themselves, leaving their emotions to stew for 20+ years while completely conscious to think about it. Now they have the finality of it, the closure they lacked to move on with their lives. I honestly think this will repair their shattered relationship. Maybe not right at first, but soon.

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      • Scott42444 says

        See, I couldn’t remember if they were conscious when they were ambered or if they were dreaming or in a coma-like state. I think that the episode with Iceman (from the X-men movies) where he replaced his brother and then later freed him from the Amber explained it but I cannot remember what he said it was like in Amber.

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          • says

            Yes … In “Amber 31422″ 5th episode from the 3rd season, Joshua Rose said that when he was ambered he was aware of every moment. His mind was stuck in the last thought he had before he was trapped.

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  8. KLA says

    Wow. Just devastated that Peter and Olivia saw their little girl die. I am shell schocked right now. I was hoping for a last minute headshot before they wasted her, but it was not meant to be. Those a**hole observers!!!!! As someone said above, kill em’ all! They destroyed the world and Polivia.

    Looks like Henry Ian Cussak is back though….

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  9. _lost_stef_ says

    Fckkkkk whyyy must they do this to me why!!!

    Rick Terry when your right ur right but why did u have to be!!

    This episode was so emotional I’m still in Tears and to be honest I don’t think I shall ever get over what I just witnessed.

    I can’t even think straight I’m so consumed in screaming why why why that i can’t even appreciate how awesome the rest of the episode was.

    The Broyles reunion, the call back to the season 1 fringe case of the week!!

    I must do my rewatch to gather my thoughts.

    I can’t believe it poor Olivia & Peter

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  10. ML says

    That was one of Fringes most intense episode. Those last moments with Etta and Windmark were heartbreaking. Great acting by both.

    Great acting by Anna and Lance too in Olivia and Broyles reunion.

    I’m really sad that Etta is gone. I will miss Olivia and Etta’s growing relationship the most because I think every one of their scenes were so fascinating to watch.
    Very sad that dynamic is gone.

    Overall though I loved the look of this ep. The darkness. That shot of the Observers entering the warehouse. Just well done all around.

    I still think Etta will return somehow. Isn’t she the key to defeating the Observers?

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    • FringePhile says

      That’s right, September practically told Peterthat the wrong baby was born (baby nugget Henry) so Etta was the key for which September straightened out the futures/paths…

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    • Sam says

      Walter has a plan to defeat the Observers. A plan that will work because September gave it to him. I can’t see little Etta being crucial to that plan. She was just a kid back then. After she was taken, Walter and Olivia continued to work on it. If they needed her, wouldn’t they just give up on it?

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      • ML says

        But isn’t that why Henry was erased? Peter had a baby with the wrong Olivia. September said Etta had to be born. For what reason now?

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        • Sam says

          I don’t know. Since September never explicitly said Etta had to be born, I just assumed the main thing was that Peter and Olivia had to be together. If Peter’s child with the wrong Olivia is still around that could get in the way of that lol. So maybe that’s why he had to be erased.

          I just think whatever Etta might have been useful for Peter and Olivia could probably still take care of separately. If they need someone from the alternate universe, they have Peter. If they need someone with abilities, they could reactivate Olivia. So I personally think they can do this without her and she wasn’t the key.

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      • ML says

        Maybe Etta’s death is crucial to the plan, because now they all have unstoppable motivation to bring the Observers down!
        September said: Born to the wrong Olivia Dunham… because the wrong Olivia isn’t fighting against the Observers!

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    • elisa says

      IMHO, Etta has already proven why she was crucial: without Etta, the fringe team would still be ambered; without walter, no plan to defeat the observers.
      Also, she had the ability to not let observers read her mind and taught others how to do it. That enabled Broyles (and probably others from the resistance) to work as a double agent.
      To me, she is unique and has unique characteristics that are a consequence of Cortexiphan Olivia and Peter. That is why Peter’s son with Alt-Olivia isn’t crucial: no Cortexiphan.

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      • Rick Terry says

        BINGO! We have a winner here guys! That explanation was brilliant! Exactly why Etta was needed. Exactly why baby Henry was a stumbling block that needed to be undone. Which in and of itself caused the necessity of the reset. You actually just summed up the “why” of season three’s finale, and the subsequent reset that followed in the simplest terms ever written.

        Well done!

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        • ML says

          Actually I was reading some comments today that cleared it up for me. September never said that Etta was the key to defeating the Observers. For some reason I had been thinking that.
          But this is actually what September told Peter re: Henry being the wrong child, was not that Etta herself was important, what he said was “the child from which your shared future will spring”. So it was that the shared future was with Realivia, not Faux.

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          • Rick Terry says

            Right but without Etta they’d still be stuck in amber. Also Henry existing would have hindered Peter getting together with Blu-Liv, preventing the chosen ones having a relationship. I’m pretty sure Etta was a big part of September’s plan. If not Etta, then Eddy or whatever a boychild would have been named.

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        • Cassiopea says

          That’s it exactly, well done elisa for explaining it so well! Hi Ricky, it’s been a while!
          So the other part of the plan has to be the other Fringe team coming in from “over there” to help save the day, yes? Along with everything else which has been planted along the way (Fringe events already in play as a tool to defeat the Observers in this time period, ZFT, “over there” – the war between worlds being a decoy to trick the Observers perhaps, the machine going back in time) in order for the end game to suceed and the Observers to be defeated! That way everything can tie in nicely in the end, yes?

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      • Cassiopea says

        Also I would say it also goes back to why the Cortexifan trials were done in the first place. It was all part of September’s plan. Sept can see all outcomes of tall possible timelines, he knows what affect the Cortexifan would have on Olivia’s child. He also knows about the human’s emotions and he has come up with a plan that tricks the other Observers, they don’t see human emotions. The plan involves double bluffing the other Observers and playing on their lack of understanding emotions. They also don’t see that the reason Etta has this ability is down to her mother being experimented on with Cortexifan…

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        • elisa says

          Well, I don’t know if it was September’s plan all the way….maybe just the fact that he realized the importance of the cortexiphan (Original Olivia x Alt Olivia).
          but I liked your theory about the emotions. It is ironic (and indicative) that Olivia’s ‘powers’ are triggered by her emotions X the lack of emotions from the observers.
          Interesting point.

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          • Sam says

            @Cassiopea – The Cortexiphan trials being part of September’s plans seems a little far fetched. We’ve been told quite a few times that they were conducted because Walter and Bell wanted to prepare soldiers for the war with the alternate universe. I don’t think there’s more to the trials than that.

            Plus September hasn’t always been able to see all possible outcomes. He didn’t know Peter would be brought back into existence. He kept telling Olivia she would have to die but her resurrection wasn’t something he foresaw.

            Though like @elisa said, the idea of using emotions against the Observers is very interesting. I like that.

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      • elisa says

        Now, I have to correct myself: someone from another blog has reminded me that Olivia didn’t have any cortexiphan left in her system, after the bullet was removed from her head. I think, now, that is true. Walter stated it. that is why Olivia doesn’t have any powers anymore. Walter said there could be some genetic residue of the cortexiphan, but it is far fetched.
        Even though my cortexiphan theory isn’t acceptable, the importance of Etta still remains.
        Just an adjustment.

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    • Rick Terry says

      Yeah, wound as in like a gunshot wound? Or and emotional wound? Or is it wound like past tense of wind; Like they are wound up over this?

      Amanda theorized above that she thinks Etta is now in the redverse. Maybe she has Mommanator’s ability to cross over, Maybe Etta is “The Dove”, and now she is a wounded dove. Maybe she is over-there now getting fixed up by their nanobot technology that fixed Alt Lincoln after being burned up. Awaiting a triumphant return with good ole September to bring down those bad@$$ed Badservers.

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      • says

        yeah, i mean, when it said “wound” it made me think of monty python for just a second. “it’s only a flesh wound” which in a way makes me think etta could come back.

        but then you know, there are expressions like “mortal wound” which mean just the opposite. but basically, i think with this development the entire team is wounded.

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  11. Pwnsauce says

    Obviously it was a sad episode, but I must say I enjoyed the Observer reading scenes. The lack of action made them really intense. It was really suspenseful waiting to see what would happen. Very well done. The episode as a whole had a really good feel to it.

    I hope there’s some good justification for killing off Etta. It sounds as if it was predetermined early on, but it’s a shame. I’m not mad per se, but I for one really liked her character. I don’t know how confident I feel about getting that justification based on recent history *cough* Season 4…

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  12. meagn says

    Great reunion with Broyles…I almost teared up.
    I did tear up with they did that to Etta, didn’t see that coming but maybe I should have. Peter and Olivia can’t catch a break :(

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  13. Real1 says

    Very sad ! :( … Well it’s 2036 right ?? and they are vanished right ? … maybe it’s all in a wrong time or something ?

    Welcome Broyles .. i missed to hear agent Duhnam , is Olivia or Peter the agent i don’t know .. maybe after know we are going to see what Olivia will do as agent , don’t get me wrong I like how Peter’s character were developed , any way it was good episode ,

    :)

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      • Rick Terry says

        Your guess is as good as mine. We just don’t know. I’d like to think at least they are doing fine over there.

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    • mommadeen says

      If you think peter is just going to sit on his butt and act like a housewife, you are sadly mistaken. He is going to fight whether or not he is a fbi agent. Olivia has no power over peter.

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  14. Amanda says

    Think as a writer, why would I kill Etta?

    1 – Good reasons or 2 – Stupid reasons.

    1 – Good reasons
    – Build on an emotional moment for Peter and Olivia. Make them, especially him, to find back each other. To show Peter how much Walter suffered from his son loss, and the decision he made to kidnap Peter from the other side. To bring us a huge surprise by showing the other side, with Altlivia, Lincon and family (20 years older) AND Etta ALIVE at the end of this season. Anti-materia bomb? She`s was not definitely dead, so could be safe at the other side.

    2 – Stupid Reasons
    Build on emotions over some character, make the audience likes it, then kill this person to creat a emotional event to impulse the season.

    I really hope they had chosen a good reason. I really do.

    Especially cause they didn`t really kill Etta. She was alive, and the bomb took her, and the others Observers to somewhere else.

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    • Rick Terry says

      I admit you got the wheels turning in my head now. I refuse to believe that Over-there is totally gone. This would be an awesome opportunity to utilize the RedVerse again.

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      • Amanda says

        Yeah, that speech about “we are done with the other side in season 5″ was to
        baffle us from this alternative. Etta is a strong and powerfull character, they won’t waste her like this.

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        • says

          I think it was a fail-safe way to go in Etta’s mind if the plan was compromised.
          Obviously Peter, Olivia, and Walter had no idea she was going to activate the switch.

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  15. David says

    What a brilliant episode, had everything, suspense, drama, action, a little comedy, with plenty of emotion, if this is going to be how fringe plays out going forward, then what a ride we are all in for.
    And yes it was such a shock to see etta killed. didn’t expect that, but then I thought to myself “You know THIS IS FRINGE, where nobody seems to wind up dead forever, remember etta is Oliva’s daughter, so isn’t it reasonable to assume that the cortestiphan that is now a part of Oliva’s DNA would have be tranferred to Etta when she was born, and so I’m hoping that while we know that Witmark survived maybe etta did as well.
    Remember the title “The bullet that saved the world” to me not only refers to the eventual destruction of the observers, but also will help in repairing both Oliva and Peters world by now giving them both something to live for.
    For if watching their child die doesn’t bring then closer together, then I’m afraid nothing will

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  16. number six says

    It was good to see Broyles again.

    It was bad to see Etta die. What a waste!

    The thing I don’t get is how Olivia gets a whole episode about her high moral values, how torture is bad and all that stuff, but somehow launching a horrifying terrorist attack using a toxin, that seals the respiratory orifices and that kills in such an agonizing way, is fine with her. Is it because those guys weren’t carrying bread crumbs for the pigeons?

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    • JM says

      Etta’s death will make the fringe team even more pro-active in their fight against the observers, by the look of next weeks promo Peter will be doing something interesting for a change, and olivia is actually crying (first time since the pilot!?)

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        • Gil_Cdn says

          Olivia did cry when she realized that she was trapped in the Red-verse, in the washroom at the Gas Station, we just did not get to see it. (ep.3.01 – Olivia)

          She also cried when she decoded the message Sam (or Charlie) has left for her when she visited the grave of Charlie Francis. (ep.2.05 Dream Logic)

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        • number six says

          I didn’t see her cry. I mean actual tears, not just crunching up her face and turn red from the effort.

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    • Lincless says

      I loved to see Broyles again, too. Lance is now a “special apprearance” ;)

      Etta’s death is sad. She was the best thing about the season’s frist three episode without a doubt.

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  17. Sam says

    That was easily the most eventful episode of the season so far. Enjoyed it from start to finish because it had so many great moments.

    Etta and Olivia’s conversation about the bullet. I knew it had to be the same bullet that killed Olivia. When Etta told her it made her feel closer to her I thought, “Well of course. Because that bullet was inside her and so were you, Etta”. :P Disappointed that Olivia didn’t really tell her the story behind it. That would have been cool to see.

    Walter being awesome even after getting electrocuted. Then spraying the toxin all over that Loyalist. This is why I love this man.

    Did not expect Broyles and Olivia’s reunion to be that touching. He called her Agent Dunham (I’ve missed hearing that), she called him Philip and they hugged! Loved it so much. Great to have him back. Now I look forward to their reunion with Nina.

    I can’t really say Etta’s death was a shocker to me or that I will miss her because 5 episodes just weren’t enough for me to get attached. But the scene still got me teary and everyone gave such a fabulous performance. I definitely feel terrible for Peter and Olivia, they do not deserve to go through this pain again.

    9/10.

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    • Amanda says

      I agree about Walter in the car, and about the fabulous performance. They are in their best shape now, even Joshua.

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      • Potter says

        Reminds me that Walter used to experimentally electrocute Peter as a child. I see Walter must have experimented with it on himself as well. :D

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    • Lincless says

      How could it be that all the observers and loyalist weren’t instructed about Walter’s, Olivia’s and Peter’s looks?
      That would be the first thing to do: making the enemy transparent for your own people.

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      • says

        because they had those scanners that told them. that’s why after they killed em it showed walters face and said “apprehend.”

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        • Lincless says

          At least, thx.
          Though it’s still frivolous and dangerous (as we saw) if you don’t recognize an enemy on first view.

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          • shidey17 says

            It does kind of make sense though. They rely on their technology and probably see humans’ dependency on communication and each other as weak or inferior to technology. So they would prefer to use their machines which they see as foolproof or unable to fail. So they fail to share the information and are beaten by the humans in that way. I think this will ultimately be part of the Observers’ downfall. Their inability to understand human emotions and behavior will make them unable to see what is coming at the end.

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  18. ML says

    I loved the ep but some things didn’t compute with me particularly Windmark leaving Etta at the end there. If he figured P/O would return for her out of love then why did he leave?
    And I don’t like that the Observers powers seem to work or not work depending on the plot. I mean why didn’t Windmark just transport himself to where the team was at the end of the ep?

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      • Potter says

        After the loyalist reported that they were nowhere to be found, Windmark returned to the scene after making the connection between love and the fact that P/O would return to find Etta. He noted that the necklace was gone, saw the anti-matter bomb, and exit: stage right!

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  19. Tash says

    So in season 4 Lincon Lee (who, lets face it, was not the most popular character) was in 16 episodes.
    In season 5 Etta (who we can all agree is far better than Lincoln) is in 5 episodes (icluding letters of transit) and then DIES!
    Thats not right.
    Although I am pretty pissed off about Etta dying, I hope she stays dead.
    Because people are pretty crap at staying dead on fringe (olivia,peter,william bell, alt broyles and all the people who actually did die but then they brig a alternate ersion of them back) ad as much I am sad that Etta is dead I really hope they don’t bring her back!
    Also when Broyles was getting in the lift with that obsever for a second i thought the observer was september, but wasn’t ): I really wanna know what happened to him!

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  20. JM says

    The end must be a massive reset now, Wyman wouldn’t kill her off he wasn’t gonna do that, its just the kind of storyteller he is. There will be a massive reset and the show will end with P/O/E in the park and no observers invade. OR they stay in the future and Olivia will yet again be pregnant (sigh) which I highly doubt but could happen as Wyman is writing it.

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    • shidey17 says

      I know it’s sappy and probably not the best storytelling, but I would be okay with the story ending in the park with everyone happy. Maybe Walter is sitting on the blanket with them eating ice cream or something.

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    • Amanda says

      After that terrible season 3 ending, I believe anything is possible. A new change in the timeline, a new trip to the future or to the past… whatever you can imagine, there is no limite… and this is not good for any story. This is something that I don’t like about Fringe.

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      • Rick Terry says

        I personally thought Season 3’s ending was great, even if confusing at the time. But Season 4’s ending was terrible in my opinion. It reminded me of a Full House ending or something.

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        • Amanda says

          I think season 4 ending was a disaster too, but that was because the entire season was weak. I like the ending of season 3, the vision of future, etc, BUT not the part when Peter “never existed” and then everything from past seasons was basically erased.

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          • Rick Terry says

            If I had to pick between both of those finales for a series ending finale, because lets be honest the show’s fate was at stake at the time of both of those being filmed. In fact I believe season 4 wasn’t announced until after season 3 ended. Anyway if I had to pick then I’d pick 3 because it left it up to us to figure out what happened, and trust me what happened in my mind is sooooo much cooler that what what happened in season 4. The finale of season four just felt a little too touchy feely for this show, it did have a series finale feel, but it just didn’t do the show justice in my opinion. I hope they don’t go for the family matters ending this season. I want a head scratcher.

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  21. Tash says

    Alive, Etta was a quite interesting character in her own right (and was pretty kickass too)
    Dead, she is just a source of yet more peter/olivia drama and angst (and god knows we haven’t had enough of that in previous season)
    ):

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  22. ML says

    It seems everybody here is like: What a shame, how sad, Etta was really cool…

    Me: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Lalalala DENIAL! Lalalala…she will be fine! This is Fringe, they also brought Olivia back! DENIAL, DENIAL, DENIAL!!

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    • ML says

      The 7 stages of grief: so far I am at 4…
      Shock & Denial: She can’t be dead…nononono
      Pain & Guilt: I’m sorry, Etta, I should have watched the show live more often (haha, I live in Europe), then you would have gotten a 100 more seasons of Fringe because it’s the best show of all times!
      Anger & Bargaining: You f***k Observers! I will KILL you! …Please, heal her, you super-future Medicine experts!
      Depression & Loneliness: Now Peter and Olivia are all alone… they lost her once and now again.. this is so sad, I’m gonna cry… just give up the plan, there is no point anymore..

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    • Amanda says

      I literally felt my heart breaking when she was shot, you have NO IDEA!
      I would be happy to be on denial!

      I know, it’s just a show, but damn it! That hurt badly!

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  23. Surun Tunne says

    I am avoiding most spoilers this season so ettas death really shocked me…
    I thought the episode was amazing and somehow I also got a little emotional when broyles said: “Agent Dunham” :)
    I think now the journey for peter is, that he has to be a better man than his father…I wouldn’t be too surprised if the phrase ” “Na einai kalitero anthropo apo ton patera tou” gets mentioned again this season…maybe in the final episode…

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  24. number six says

    One of the problems with last year’s reset is that I don’t know what cases happened anyway and which ones didn’t. Where did Walter get those souvenirs from? For instance, the toxin they used in this episode, DRJ created it in S1, but they didn’t know about him the current timeline, until Peter reappeared. How did Walter get that toxin then?

    It’s not fan service if your callbacks to previous seasons don’t make any sense, Wyman!

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    • 134sc says

      I like to think that they all still happened, but maybe some happened under different circumstances and/or for different reasons. If not, then they really did waste 3 seasons and I refuse to believe that.

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      • number six says

        We know some of them didn’t, because they mentioned the case in Johari Window as something from the previous timeline. None of the episodes with the Observers or DRJ happened. None of the Peter related episodes happened, either. Charlie was never mentioned, did he exist in the amber timeline?

        Some did happen though. They mentioned John Scott, so the pilot episode happened and I guess there could be more. But it doesn’t matter, all of them happened differently, so 3 seasons have indeed been lost.

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    • Amanda says

      That reset was so lame.

      Only one thing more stupid than that, was Peter with Altlivia having NO IDEA she was not Olivia. And then, poor Olivia feeling like a moron.

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    • elisa says

      I agree, Number six. I see it as a plot hole, or at least a stretch.
      Why and how would they know about the toxin without knowing about DRJ?
      I think the mystake of the writers was stating that no one from the new timeline ever heard of DRJ. Not necessary.
      Or, even easier: all they had to do was use a weapon from season 1 that was not related to DRJ’s episodes! tada….no plot hole!

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  25. Gazza says

    Why cannot the cases have happened, just because they didn’t know who drj was. They just discovered him at later point and on the other side which he never made it to in s1. Keep up and open your mind.

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    • number six says

      I didn’t say the cases couldn’t have happened. Some probably did, but we know for sure that some of them didn’t. That was my point. I shouldn’t be doing mental gymnastics to justify how Walter got samples from cases from a timeline he didn’t live.

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      • Lincless says

        I wonder if Wyman is even aware of the timeline dilemma.
        I kind of instantly thought of Ability when Markam talked about his first encounter with Olivia and something makes me think Wyman did as well.

        I think he wants us to forget the idiotic timeline disaster, which is understanble but problematic for the narrative if you watch it with a critical brain.

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  26. DeepRunner says

    THAT. WAS. INCREDIBLE. AND. INCREDIBLY. DEPRESSING.

    From the outset, let me tell you that I don’t read other people’s comments, so you may see some thoughts that other people have already had.

    * Etta. Our wonderful wunderkind. Etta, we hardly knew ye. She spent her whole life trying to find her parents. She found them and brought them together. She gave their family a second chance, as Peter said last eppy. She taught Broyles–who, it turned out, was our trusted old friend–how to keep from being read. The reading that Windmark did achieve ended with the poignant “daddy holding his daughter.” It was good and fitting that she had the anti-matter baton and died to preserve the resistance. Her death will be what drives the rest of the season, or much of it, anyway.

    * Olive. Before Etta died, a mother tells her daughter how much she loves her. The talk with Etta about the bullet that saved the world. The hug she had with Broyles. Good scenes. Because of her daughter’s death, the rise of the Terminating Dunhamnator can’t be far away.

    * Peter. A father loses his little girl. The closing scene with Walter gave us all we need to know about what’s gonna happen next. Joshua Jackson said that this eppy was a game-changer for Peter. I think, if the promo for next week is any indication, that the Peter from Season 1 is about to return. Vengeance is an INTENSELY powerful motivator. I am eager to see how they render things.

    * Walter. His playhouse of Fringe horrors brought us the major callback to Season 1 and DRJ’s airborne toxin. THAT. WAS. A-W-E-S-O-M-E!!!!!! His closing scene with Peter, where he called him son and said she was gone, was interesting and ironic. He, in a sense, was asking Peter to get moving (or, MOVE ON) after Etta’s death. Which, coming from Walter, is what made it ironic.

    * Windmark. His reference to love was the callback to 4.15, plus the episode August. Love is the greatest motivation that humans have. The character of Windmark understands that on the intellectual level. It is because of the love for Etta that, to compare Fringe with another epic, the Bishops are now The Corleone Family, and Windmark is now Barzini. And we know what happened to Barzini.

    As unbelievably depressing as this eppy’s ending was, this week was 10 out of 10. I will probably have more thoughts later. But this was an E-X-C-E-L-L-E-N-T installment.

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  27. J.P. says

    I really don’t know how I feel about this one. Sure, Etta’s “death” (assuming she’s actually dead) was sad and looks to have pushed this season into a good direction in terms of character development, but it felt forced and predictable to me. I’m not at all moved by her demise, either. I only knew her for five episodes. If they wanted to really pull on the audience’s heart strings, then they should have killed off Broyles, who has been downgraded to only a “special appearance”. That would have still crushed Peter, Olivia and Walter. On wait, nevermind, this is JH Wyman… the child had to die, so there could be a mirroring between Peter’s current state and Walter’s state after his Peter’s death as a boy. And that, of course, will open Peter’s eyes to just how far he would go for his child, and make him understand why Walter committed his hubris. The only problem with that is it’s entirely out of place. It would have made for some great writing back in the beginning of season three, when Peter actually hated Walter for kidnapping him, but not now, when Peter and Walter are so close. Peter seems to have fully moved on from that pain. He’s already realized why Walter did it, and he’s thankful he did, because without that crime, Peter wouldn’t have ever met Olivia. It just doesn’t seem like the right time to redo the “be a better man than your father” thing when it’s been forgotten for a whole season.

    And the Fringe team is quickly growing more and more unsympathetic to me. I don’t view them as “heroes”. I view them as terrorists who will easily murder anyone that stands in their way. I understand why they needed to kill some Obserevers, but the Loyalists? They’re not “evil” at all. They’re just innocent soldiers following orders, trying to protect themselves and their families. And of course, they had to kill them with one of the most gruesome murder tools imaginable. Wait, this is coming from the Olivia who was horrified that her daughter was “hardened”?

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    • Sam says

      I agree with pretty much everything you said even though I did enjoy the episode. I’ve realised in order to get the most out of the end I’ll just need to treat this final season like some weird spin-off. That is what it has become unfortunately with Wyman at the helm.

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    • Red Balloon says

      I’m surprisingly agreeing with you also, except for the last part. The situation on Etta torturing a guy for information, when Olive was able to talk to him and persuade him to speak instead, holding some hope on his human side is too different from the one we saw last night. A one on one stage vs a fight for your life and your loved ones stage is different, and somehow justified since they had no choice but to enter that building, no other weapons but the experiments that Walter can make, and no more time, since their lab was discovered and they were running literally out of choices. So this was not torture scene, but a confrontation scene with guns that fired experiments, instead of bullets. It’s two agents and their family fighting for their right to be free. Just saying.

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    • mlj102 says

      “I understand why they needed to kill some Obserevers, but the Loyalists? They’re not “evil” at all. They’re just innocent soldiers following orders, trying to protect themselves and their families. And of course, they had to kill them with one of the most gruesome murder tools imaginable. Wait, this is coming from the Olivia who was horrified that her daughter was “hardened”?”

      Etta said it in the second episode: This is war. And war doesn’t necessarily mean that everyone fighting for the enemy side is “evil”. They’re just normal people like you fighting for their lives. In the US Civil war, for example, you had instances where there were people fighting against their own family members. But it was war. And in war there will be casualties of people who aren’t “evil”. It’s inevitable. But it’s necessary to a certain extent before the war can end. The Fringe team can’t try to exclusively target Observers and give the loyalists the benefit of the doubt or go easy on them because they’ll quickly get captured by those loyalists who are only “following orders, trying to protect themselves and their families”. They may be innocent, but they’re still a threat to the resistance and their cause.

      As for the point you make about Olivia being willing to go along with this while being unsupportive of Etta’s interrogation techniques, that’s different. You’re comparing apples and oranges and it doesn’t work. In this episode, it was an active offensive in order to obtain information they needed. Everyone they targeted was an active threat against their mission. But in that episode, the loyalist was defenseless. He wasn’t currently a threat to them. And Etta was cold and merciless in the way she used that device against him. I think it was Etta’s attitude and approach as much as what she was actually doing that worried Olivia. Olivia feared that her daughter was stooping to the level of the very people they’re fighting. She was worried that Etta held such hatred for every single person who wasn’t fighting for the resistance. And there is a thin line between doing what is necessary to fight for your cause and torturing and killing people in cold blood.

      I’m not going to argue this point with anyone, simply because it’s a complicated issue full of moral questions that will vary depending on everyone’s individual opinions. I’m not supporting the deaths of innocent people. All I’m saying is that I can understand why they did what they did and it doesn’t bother me given the circumstances and I don’t think there’s really a case to suggest that Olivia has been contradictory in her approach or her morals. Every situation is different and everyone has to decide what they’re comfortable with.

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      • J.P. says

        @mlj102

        I agree with all you’ve said about how there can be no right or wrong side in a war. In fact, I feel more strongly about that than most people I know. However, this season’s conflict isn’t a “war”, at least not a war in the traditional sense (like the US Civil War).

        To quote Wikipedia’s page on War; “War is an organized, armed, and, often, a prolonged conflict that is carried on between states, nations, or other parties typified by extreme aggression, social disruption, and usually high mortality.” The disagreement between the resistance and the Observers is not a war like the Civil War, it is a series of anarchist riots that claim not only the lives of those fighting, but of innocent people, as well. It’s civil unrest, but not a war. It’s akin to the continuous riots and rebellions in the Middle East, but not a war.

        My real issue is that they didn’t need to use the orifice-covering toxin to distract the Observers and Loyalists. The writers included it because it would be another nice callback to season 1, but there are numerous other Fringe case that could’ve sufficed. For instance, what about the green-green-green-red hypnosis? Couldn’t Walter have found a way to get everyone’s attention to then hypnotize and distract them? That would’ve substantially reduced the risk of a team member dying. Although, I guess there’s an argument to be made that the Observers are immune to hypnosis, but if this episode had featured hypnosis instead of the toxin, then there could also be an argument to be made that the Observers were immune to the toxin. If the writers wanted to keep the Fringe team sympathetic, then they could’ve taken a device like the hypnosis and made it work. Instead, the Fringe team picked a brutal toxin and released it into the public with no remorse, without even one line of dialogue from a character like Astrid saying, “hey, are we sure this is the right thing to do?”. It made it seem like not one of our heroes cared about becoming mass murderers.

        Like I said, because this is civil unrest, and not an actual “war” like the Civil War, then the Fringe team should be thought of as the “bad guys”, for spontaneously attacking a peaceful populace and promoting terror. Didn’t they realize that the remaining Observers would probably not take a liking to seeing their associates/comrades/brothers, etc, die a horrible death? If anything, they just started a war, making the Observer response completely justified and reasonable.

        If we think of them as the “good guys” (and not just because they’re the main characters of the show), then we should also think of ZFT or the shapeshifters as “good guys”. They did what they thought was right, thinking it would protect their world, but garnered no sympathy from the Fringe team, or the audience. But like you, I agree there’s no point in debating complex ideas such as these with other people, because we’ve already made up our individual minds.

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        • elisa says

          great comment JP. i do agree about the definition of war and riot. There is a SUBTLE difference. But there is also a difference between civil war and a war against another country. A big riot can become a civil war: in the sense that it is internal, not external (examples: Libia, Sudan).
          That is how I see it in the show: it is an internal civil war against the observers. NO other countries. But, it is still war!
          And Yes: I also think they could have used some other device for a call-back, that didn’t killed the enemies and also set a plothole in the story.
          And also super Yes: it is great that you question WHO are the good guys!

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      • LastManInSpace says

        I think Etta’s “We’re at war and we’re losing” bears remembering.

        For a historical parallel, during the Nuremberg trials, many Nazis said they were “just following orders”

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      • J.P. says

        Hmm, I wrote and posted my reply hours ago, but it keeps saying “your comment is awaiting moderation”, so to be safe I’ll re-post it… if it was already posted and my account is having issues, I do apologize…

        @mlj102

        I agree with all you’ve said about how there can be no right or wrong side in a war. In fact, I feel more strongly about that than most people I know. However, this season’s conflict isn’t a “war”, at least not a war in the traditional sense (like the US Civil War).

        To quote Wikipedia’s page on War; “War is an organized, armed, and, often, a prolonged conflict that is carried on between states, nations, or other parties typified by extreme aggression, social disruption, and usually high mortality.” The disagreement between the resistance and the Observers is not a war like the Civil War, it is a series of anarchist riots that claim not only the lives of those fighting, but of innocent people, as well. It’s civil unrest, but not a war. It’s akin to the continuous riots and rebellions in the Middle East, but not a war.

        My real issue is that they didn’t need to use the orifice-covering toxin to distract the Observers and Loyalists. The writers included it because it would be another nice callback to season 1, but there are numerous other Fringe case that could’ve sufficed. For instance, what about the green-green-green-red hypnosis? Couldn’t Walter have found a way to get everyone’s attention to then hypnotize and distract them? That would’ve substantially reduced the risk of a team member dying. Although, I guess there’s an argument to be made that the Observers are immune to hypnosis, but if this episode had featured hypnosis instead of the toxin, then there could also be an argument to be made that the Observers were immune to the toxin. If the writers wanted to keep the Fringe team sympathetic, then they could’ve taken a device like the hypnosis and made it work. Instead, the Fringe team picked a brutal toxin and released it into the public with no remorse, without even one line of dialogue from a character like Astrid saying, “hey, are we sure this is the right thing to do?”. It made it seem like not one of our heroes cared about becoming mass murderers.

        Like I said, because this is civil unrest, and not an actual “war” like the Civil War, then the Fringe team should be thought of as the “bad guys”, for spontaneously attacking a peaceful populace and promoting terror. Didn’t they realize that the remaining Observers would probably not take a liking to seeing their associates/comrades/brothers, etc, die a horrible death? If anything, they just started a war, making the Observer response completely justified and reasonable.

        If we think of them as the “good guys” (and not just because they’re the main characters of the show), then we should also think of ZFT or the shapeshifters as “good guys”. They did what they thought was right, thinking it would protect their world, but garnered no sympathy from the Fringe team, or the audience. But like you, I agree there’s no point in debating complex ideas such as these with other people, because we’ve already made up our individual minds.

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    • Amanda says

      ” It would have made for some great writing back in the beginning of season three, when Peter actually hated Walter for kidnapping him, but not now, when Peter and Walter are so close. ”

      Agree!

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  28. ML says

    I’m not sure how I feel about Olivia and Peter leaving Etta there. It didn’t feel right when it happened because it doesn’t feel like something they would do.
    I mean I still can’t believe they would walk away from her like that.

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    • James says

      Walter was the voice of reason in that scene, “she’s gone”.

      Yes, it’s very sad, but they realised that the world is at stake. They couldn’t just stand there and cry, or run back, because they would have all been killed too.

      Etta wouldn’t want them to hang around. If you see the preview for the next episode you will see that Olivia and Peter have time to grieve.

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    • mlj102 says

      I agree that they wouldn’t ever just give up on her and leave her, and I think Etta knew that, too, which is one reason why she had the anti-matter device and triggered it — she knew they wouldn’t leave her or accept her death, so she had to add extra incentive for them to leave her. By triggering the device, she gave them a time limit to get out of there. Without that, they probably would have stayed longer or would have tried to take her with, and likely would have been caught by Observers. But by triggering the device and giving them a time limit, she made the decision for them, she forced them to leave if they were going to continue fighting. She sped up the process for them. Which is the only reason they weren’t still there when Windmark returned.

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  29. C says

    OK I’ve been faithfully reading this website for a few seasons of Fringe; however, have not posted on this website or any other. All of you have excellent predictions and comments about Fringe and typically, someone will post similar thoughts to mine. This time, I am shocked that I thought of something that no one else seems to have. Here goes…The bullet that Etta has been wearing around her neck since she was 13, somehow absorbed Olivia’s cortexifan powers when it passed through Olivia’s brain (when she was shot on the ark). Although some of Olivia’s abilites could have been transferred to Etta through pregnacy, Etta wearing the bullet next to her body for all those years may have strengthened the healing powers and ability to jump universes. Etta will be found somewhere (maybe in the alt universe) healing from the stab wound inflicted by Windmark. The theory is a bit out there, but this is FRINGE!

    Fringe is definately the best show that has ever been provided. It makes you think! WHERE IS SEPTEMBER?

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    • Amanda says

      Some of us thought about the alt-universe, and her living, but not about the bullet. Good theory. I was thinking about the bullet too, but didn’t get to this point you mentioned.

      The tittle of the episode is “The Bullet That Saved The World” – we are missing something here.

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  30. DC says

    I’ve not been the biggest Etta fan this season, but the death scene was touching nonetheless.

    So glad Broyles is back… such a shame that him and Nina aren’t more prominent.

    Poor Peter, this is the 2nd child that he has lost. Even though he didn’t know Henry, he must of felt something regarding that loss.

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  31. rafa says

    i’m thinking that fringe does not leave untied knots. for me it’s very suspicious that we didn’t see etta dead dead really, so she may still be alive, like some people said, in the redverse. or whatever way she found to keep herself alive and out of windmark’s paws.

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  32. Red Balloon says

    This one epi really played as a crossroad for me regarding this season’s direction. I wasn’t convinced about the whole observers invasion thing because they were just lame until now. At least I now can somehow believe why they are in control, but still there’s something missing on their side of the story. I mean, it’s hard to believe that in 21 years of invasion, they don’t know what baseball is, or what a jewelry is meant for, etc… they are supposed to be in total control and reading minds like on a daily basis… so that bothers me a lot, for making them the ultimate baddys you know?

    I imagine when Broyles and Windmark where making that scene where the latter was playing Simon… they have had to break down in laughter after keeping their serious faces for such a long time… specially if Broyles was all “one more time” on them

    My best moments sad, funny and all around:
    _”Agent Dunham” – OMG!!!, that moment when they hug was so pure!!
    (now I only hope I can hear one more time the “Olivia Dunham, FBI”)
    _Walter being electrocuted – so so funny
    _”Not again” and “I love so much” from P/O to Etta – heartbreaking
    _Olivia & Etta with the bullet
    _Etta & Windmark
    (though I thought it was too fast the way he got rid of her, without strategy or out of impulse. But I guess it’s fine since he’s got more admiration for animals than humans to kill her like a rabid dog)
    _Olivia’s face at the end before walking away, as in shock
    _Etta & Olivia on masks shooting like a boss and the get away run from P&O on the roof.. could’ve being more action packed though
    _Walter & Peter trying the gun on Astrid (good times)

    Well, I’m willing to give it a chance to Peter’s vengeance stage on next epi, but not very convinced of his character going rogue one more time without a good purpose, cuz I’m not a fan of two guns Peter or Hood Peter, but anyway, looking forward to see how things develop for Olive… if she’s still willing to fight for humanity, and if Walter can catch a plan for them to return to 2013 when bad things could get avoid, and SEPTEMBER and NINA!!! of course

    Great episode last night, and some of you have great theories with the red verse and all…hope to see that to

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    • Mommadeen says

      Peter lost Etta, not once but TWICE because of the observers and you are saying that Peter doesn’t have good enough reason to go rogue? I guess if it was Olivia, she would be the dunmanator.

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      • Red Balloon says

        BTW Patty?, there’s someone criticizing Peter’s hair on the next epi photo… so go bother them! … oh wait!, I did that too :p

        okok.. I know! don’t feed the trolls! but this is sooo unbelievable, it’s almost like Peter’s character going rogue…. okok I’ll stop now. Good night!

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    • Goodday says

      “I’m willing to give it a chance to Peter’s vengeance stage on next epi, but not very convinced of his character going rogue one more time [without a good purpose]”

      Hmm…. Etta?

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      • Goodday says

        When you lose a son, Red Balloon, believe me, you don’t care about purposes or shit. You just want whoever caused your pain to suffer.

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        • Red Balloon says

          I understand that, but again, I said PURPOSE not reason… the reason exists and is understandable, but is useless and selfish if it’s only for vengeance. Olivia lost Etta too, but I bet she wouldn’t do a foolish thing like torturing just to get revenge. She would give the cause a purpose and save the mission because that’s what Etta would like them to do… finish her mission, not compromise. That’s why a have my doubts about Peter’s next move: Are we just going to continue watching guys/observers get tortured for the next chapters???… that’s been bothering me this season… lots of that stuff going on and I hate it… first Walter, then the loyalist, then a double agent, and now an Observer??… bad stuff to watch

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          • mommadeen says

            Well peter is not the hero, Olivia is so it shouldn’t matter what peter does. Only olivia matters after all this ends.

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          • Goodday says

            Anyway,I can’t blame him, and I can’t bring myself to judge him yet, because A) we still don’t know YET if his vengence move’s the right choice or not because we don’t even know what he’s gonna do and if what he does helps or not,(or why would they kill off Etta). And (most importantly) B) he’s a grieving father.

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            • Red Balloon says

              I’m not judging him yet either, that’s why I’m saying I’ll give Hood Peter a chance this time, but my grandma used to say “be aware of the grieving because they can’t think straight” … and I know people react differently when grieving, so I guess we’re gonna find out next week. I just hope that IF Peter goes nuts on his own, it helps The Plan to defeat the Observers…not just one Observer.

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  33. Cortexiphan Kid says

    Walter’s fear of ”pinkos” seems a bit off with the fact that his grand daughter’s name is Henrietta. Henrietta was the name of Karl Heinrich Marx’s mother.
    And also, Olivia’s favorite collor is red.

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    • Red Balloon says

      Why didn’t I know that Olive’s favorite color was red?… when? where?…
      I know she hated yellow because of the pills but red is her favorite ???
      I thought it was blue…or that was Altiv? her mom painted her house yellow, but she wanted blue?.. I’m rambling now

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  34. Red Balloon says

    Windmark “It’s barbaric” … haaah!, look who’s talking, like extracting pieces of ones mind was like going to the spa

    Will we ever see what “The Resistance” is all about?, they went to this mission with no back up plan and no help from them, so I wonder if Nina is “The Dove” which is more likely, since she has the resources and the perfect cover. Why would she let Etta died?, or any other since it was a very high risk operation. But let’s see what they come up now that Broyles has the plan and he’s a fugitive now too…maybe he will take refuge with Nina.

    I’ll add that if “The Dove” turns out to be SAM … I’ll quit the show, haha… his character was diminished at the end of season 3, though I miss him like hell and I want his yoda crap again, well.. I’m afraid this won’t fit with him

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      • Red Balloon says

        Because of the “I’m in the business of protecting all my agents” right?… I also want him to be “The Dove”, but then there’s also Nina’s on 4.15 ASSAL (on the bistro) … and the glyph spelled WOUND … ;)

        NINA: We’re gonna figure out what’s happening with you, Olive. Now, as for your feelings about Peter, all wounds heal over time.
        OLIVIA: Yeah. I just wish the time would move a little quicker.
        NINA: Well, that’s a coincidence, because we just filed a patent on that last week

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        • Cortexiphan Kid says

          No, I didn’t really think of “I’m in the business of protecting all my agents”.

          He seemed very concered and nervous, when that Observer mentioned The Dove. And when the Observer came to him. As if he was expecting that Observer will call Loyalists on him any time. He put his hand on a gun, because he was afraid, that Observer knew he was The Dove, and that he would have to defend himself by killing the Observer.

          Also, Nina works at Ministry Of Science while Broyles is the head of Fringe Division, and also very close to Capitan Windmark. It’s logical, that Broyles would have more important information for the Resistance, since a lot of information (like prisioner transports, Observer organization, etc. – or that the Harvard Lab will get a visit from the Loyalists ) goes through him. Sure, Nina probably has important information too, about new tehnologies and Observer inventions, but I doubt it’s anywhere near that important as things Broyles knows. For example, that the lab was compromised.

          And I’m quite sure, that WOUND was referring to Etta’s wound, and not to a something that Nina said in 4.15.

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          • says

            Broyles in NOT that close.
            Why didn’t Windmark tell him about the Security Fail of one of his men in his Division. Broyles pleaded ignorance saying that he “didn’t know about it.” I believe Broyles. Totally caught him off guard.

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            • Cortexiphan Kid says

              Well of course Broyles isn’t cooporating with Windmark! I was just saying, that Windmark seems to like him more, than he likes other Natives.

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  35. charliefan19 says

    Ooooooooooooooh, Captain Windmark. you are going DOWN. Either from Peter going all Jack Bauer on you, or the Dunhamnator. Or both.

    Cannot wait to see him bite the dust. The actor does a great job; I hate him SO much.

    Seriously, though. That was soul-crushing. I don’t think it was a mistake by the writers to kill Etta. I didn’t feel indignant over yet another fabulous character getting “killed off,” rather, i felt grief for Peter and Liv and Walter and the Resistance. I was sad that i couldn’t get to know Etta better. Georgina Haig did a fantastic job. I really loved her (and I am oh so critical!!!).

    Siked for next week. This season is fabulous thus far.

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  36. charliefan19 says

    I want to punch Windmark in the face every time I see him, but i think the one that gave me the strongest urge was when he said “barbaric.”

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  37. LastManInSpace says

    I know we haven’t seen Nina yet (or Belly, aside from in the amber) but does anyone think Broyles will be passing the plans off to her. I feel like she’s going to have a big part in deciphering those physics. Also, Broyles and Nina totally have a “thing” going on lol.

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  38. ~Blu~Phnix~ says

    Before I comment on the Etta…sobs…

    I was thinking about William Bell, do you think he somehow knew about the Observer plan and that’s part of why he was trying to create his new world? I’m trying to think of how that plot from last season is going to tie into the overall show arc. Cause they’ve said they’re gonna tie in most of it. It just seems such an odd paradox, they save the world from Bell’s plan only have the Observer future happen. I’d think September would’ve know about Bell’s plan. Hhmm…

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    • ~Blu~Phnix~ says

      To clarify, they said all lot of the past very big season arcs all would somehow tie into this finally season. As in, all of that had an influence on the current state of affairs. Something about Bell’s explanation seemed like he wasn’t telling Walter the whole truth.

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      • Cassiopea says

        Yes I think the real plan to defeat the Observers is hidden behind all the other happenings, the major events which the Observers were observing. Subtle side effects and unnoticable events which are hidden behind larger plot points. EG while the Observers are watching part of human history which is where two universes are at war and they see the reason for the Cortexiphan trials as a means to an end so that Olivia can transfer between worlds and help win the war. I suggest however that, as also pointed out by elisa (elsewhere in this discussion), the real reason for the Cortexiphan trials was to allow Etta to be able to resist the Obervers’ mind reading technique. I think the real reason for ZFT was a cover up for Etta’s ability. I think there’s other things that the Observers will have missed because September’s plan is to outwit them based on his knowledge of the possible timelines and his affinity with emotions which he has learned as he learns to care for the people he’s observing, Walter, Peter and Olivia.

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  39. Ambered says

    The whole Etta dying sequence was so heart-breakingly and beautifully done. The moment Windmark appeared, Etta losing her gun, Etta being strangled, Etta closing her eyes and remembering that day at the park, Windmark saying she doesnt know when to give up and just shooting her with such menace. Powerful acting.

    Then, the finality of her dying moments with her parents, omg. We see how each of P/O/W react with a death of a loved one. Not again and I love you so much and I know. Awwww. They just got back together! This was their second chance.

    That whole ending was so rich and so emotional.

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  40. Ian S. says

    I know a lot of people have questioned the abilities of the Observers this season, as they seem to be somewhat contradictory of things we’ve seen in the past.

    Here’s my theory: Okay so let’s say the Observers always planned on travelling back in time in 2015 and taking over. Everything was going great until September, on one of the science expeditions, observed Walternate in his lab and thus set off the chain reaction that caused the war between universes and eventually baby Henry to be born, which we should assume would have ruined the Observer’s future (or their ability to take over the planet). Thus, September lent a helping hand in the 2026 future in ensuring that the BBM was sent back in time, and thus Peter was able to see the future and change it, which means the BBM was essentially never sent back in time and the timeline had been “reset”, which I believe meant that the Observers were able to interfere all over again but in a different manner.

    Looking at their opportunity, the head Observer realized that the best solution was not for September to not interfere, but for him to just not rescue Peter from Reiden lake. I think their intention was for the two universes to reach the point we found them in at the beginning of season 4, and eventually William Bell would have collided them both and created a new universe, and this is possibly where the Observers would have inhabited, essentially an entirely new world for them.

    But, complications arose. September decided not to erase Peter, and thus he returned in the flesh and ended up being the one to stop William Bell. The Observers realized that they had one more prime opportunity, stop Bell and destroy the bridge between the universes, thus leaving one healed universe to invade. So they let Peter live, and let him and Olivia have Etta as it didn’t matter, and then when 2015 came it was prime time to invade, so they did.

    But now they are apart of the timeline and therefore their abilities have changed. Before they could see the future because it had already happened, but not they are apart of a new developing future, and therefore can’t see all possible scenarios anymore. They can still teleport (as long as they know where they’re going) but they can’t just realize what the resistance is doing.

    Also, they have different levels of reading minds. It seems that the way the brain works is certain thoughts can be buried in your mind, and to access those thoughts Observers have to dig deeper, thereby hurting the individual. Other times they can just read your mind without hurting you, as the thoughts are clear and accesible. Also it seems using mind powers for torture is popular too.

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  41. says

    Okay, after another re-watch, I am casting a new theory here:

    Let’s rewind “Tape 2″ and think about what Walter said:
    “Before we begin, first and foremost, you must accept the reversibility of all phenomena… particles have their speeds reversed, then the changes – – found a measurable effect. Let me be crystal clear – – understanding of these scientific concepts, we will not be fighting in the same field.”

    Two phrases draw my attention in particular:
    1. Reversibility of all phenomena …. particles have their speeds reversed, then the changes”
    2. we will not be fighting in the same field

    If we take these instructions and think about the implications:
    1. Things / events that has happened can be REVERSED (e.g. Etta’s death, Invasion of the Observers, Walter’s 1st cross over at Radien Lake, or September’s screw-up at Walternate’s lab….etc.) [How far will/can TPTB reverse Fringe ?!?!]

    2. Not fighting in the same field: we know Observers are not bound by the Space-Time continuum, they can travel through time or fade in and out of space ….. would the final show down be a multi-dimensional, time-warping war between the Observers and the Resistance? [Now that would be pretty messy and I don’t think I would be happy with more plot-holes, contradictions, and mishaps in the Fringe storyline.]

    What do you think?

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    • Amanda says

      So much theories… they all make sense, but I believe it’s still too soon to tell. I’m still not sure why 2015?

      “They are coming” – says September in 2012. They arrived in 2015.. why? So in three years Walter knew about this, made a plan with September, and didn’t tell to no one else? Because of the new baby, maybe? There are so many things to explain and so little time to do it.

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  42. earthbrah says

    Those formulae and the physics that Walter can’t make sense of seem very similar to the formulae found on the desk in Walter’s room at St. Claire’s. We got to see it at the end of season 4–I’d need to go back and do a comparison. I bet Bellie understands the stuff!

    As for the Loyalists being innocent…I couldn’t disagree more. Whatever the reasons for joining the invaders, they did just that. They chose to take orders from a group of people who invaded and took over the entire planet. If a resistance wants to fight for freedom from these invaders, those Loyalists are just as much in the way as the Observers are. I’m not saying they deserve to die, but if killing some of them is what it takes to rid the world of the invading Observers, then die they must. All’s fair in love and war.

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  43. DeepRunner says

    I think it would be fascinating if Windmark and his hairless henchmen got wiped from the timeline somehow. Anti-matter batons are pretty cool ways to get rid of the Fringe Division’s enemies, and I imagine over the next few episodes, we may see some pretty intense stuff as Peter goes for Payback.

    Also, if Olive’s Cortexiphan-fueled powers get activated again (and I think they will), there will be some big adventures down that road, as well. If she can jump universes, why not jump timelines?

    Remember, September told Peter that the Observers were just one of countless possible futures for humanity. Wiping Windmark and his crew from 2609 A.D. from the timeline without something like love (no groans please, this is one of the foundation elements for the show) to tether them to society would keep them from returning/bleeding through as Peter did.

    But here’s to the remaining eppy’s with all of The Big Three intact. Plus the of The Bishop Brigade.

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    • Ambered says

      Yes it is only fair that Olivia gets her super powers back especially now that that the enemies are the Observers. They may have missed out for 20 plus years, but now it got really personal. Walter should dose her again. Windmark vs Cortexiphan Olivia!

      I wonder what the Fringe team did in the interim- 2012-2015, to prepare for the invasion. I thought September warned Walter in 2012. What happened in those years?

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    • Ambered says

      Yes it is only fair that Olivia gets her super powers back especially now that that the enemies are the Observers. They may have missed out for 20 plus years, but now it got really personal. Walter should dose her again. Windmark vs Cortexiphan Olivia!

      I wonder what the Fringe team did in the interim- 2012-2015, to prepare for the invasion. I thought September warned Walter in 2012. It took Walter 3 years to create the videotapes?

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  44. Cortexiphan Kid says

    ”What was the count before?”
    I’m probably overthinking this, but why would Olivia need to ask this? She has a photographic memory right?

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  45. Darth Kid says

    Hmm …
    This week, I don’t really know what to write. Sure, some parts of the episode were a bit out of sync with the rest of the episode, and there were a couple of far fetched moments, but overall, it was a good episode.
    But I’m not here to praise the episodes, no, I am here to criticize them in such a hairsplitting way, that will drove every fringie insane.

    I really like how the episode started, because it was neither a dream, nor monster of the week. It wasn’t as creepy as the writters probably wanted it to be, but it was still enjoyable. But I am not exactly sure, what is the meaning of that kid in the beggining of the episode. It didn’t really do anything for the episode, and it felt just a bit weird.
    The storage of Fringe Cases was totaly convenient. It did reminded us of the good old days of fringe, and made every long-time fan feel nostalgic and warm at heart, but apart from that, it was far from being a great scene. It seemed as if the writters decided to put all of those cases in one big messy pile to made the fans feel good.

    I’m going to say something really shocking now. I liked the death scene. Yeah, you read it correctly – I think that the death scene was great.
    It’s not because I wouldn’t like Etta – on the contrary, I think that Etta is one of the most lovable characters we’ve seen. It’s because of what that scene did to the episode. Without it, this would be just an average episode, not bad, but also nothing special. But the death scene gave it meaning, emotions, purpose. I mean yeah, it was quite predictable, but that still doesn’t mean, that I din’t enjoy it.

    What I’m afraid I won’t enjoy, are the episodes, that will follow 5.04. I really, REALLY hope, that Wyman won’t decide to do, what he so loves to do, and give us more that one episode, that will revolve around Peter and Olivia’s grief. We have only 9 episodes left, and that’s not nearly enough to waste a lot of time on scenes like that.
    I’m also a bit worried about the ending. I suspect, that saving the world, but with Etta being (staying) dead, is an ending, that Wyman considers to be too sad. So, I have a feeling, that saving the world will include going to the past, and preventing the invasion from ever happening. So that Etta will still be alive, and that everything will be alright. I might be wrong, but if that happens, I will write ”I told you so!” with big, boastful letters. :)

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    • ML says

      What’s wrong with an ep dealing with Olivia and Peter’s grief? Wyman has said repeatedly that the show is about the characters so if we didn’t see how they dealt with this, it wouldn’t be Fringe.
      If I wanted to watch a show where I cared less for the characters, The Walking Dead would be my favorite show.
      Plus a major point of killing Etta is for us to see how P/O deal with it this time as oppose to how they went in different directions the last time she was taken from them.

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      • Darth Kid says

        What do I have against an episode with grief? Absolutly nothing.
        But I would have an issue with 9 grief episodes.

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        • Cortexiphan Kid says

          Oh, shut up!
          Peter and Olivia have all the right in the world to grief – they just lost their child! And yeah, I wouldn’t be particularly happy if that grief lasts for 9 episodes either, but it’s still better than if Peter and Olivia would be some heartless, emotionaless robots like you!

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  46. Cassiopea says

    I’m going to theorise that the two universes have been merged. Don’t know if fully or partially but it started in Westfield and now it’s spread. It’s the reason that Walter found the stuff from Fringe events which as far as we know shouldn’t exist in this timeline where Peter was not alive to help with them.

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  47. ML says

    I’m still confused over this Etta is important thing. I’ve read various opinions on this and I’m not sure who is correct.
    Did the show specifically tell us that Etta was important? That Olivia and Peter had to be together in order for her to be born?
    Because if so it doesn’t make sense that she’s gone. Or did September just say Olivia and Peter were important?

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    • Rick Terry says

      Etta was important. Her purpose was to get her parents out of the amber 20 years in the future so they could fight the observers with Walter and his plan. Also as someone else stated, she was gifted to block the observers from reading her, whether it was a born gift or a learned gift remains to be seen, but she had that gift, and was able to teach Broyles. I assume she taught that ability to others as well. Also as someone else mentioned she was uniquely a cross between Blue Olivia and Peter, so I assume the residual cortexiphan had something to do with her ability as well. That is my take on it anyway. No Etta no Fringe resistance team in 2036.

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    • elisa says

      Just to confirm what rick said, here is a piece of the dialog between September and Peter in ‘the end of all things': “PETER: Henry. I have a son.
      THE OBSERVER: Had. When you made the sacrifice to step into that machine, you were not the only one who ceased to exist. So would he. I believed at the time that would be the end of it. I cannot explain, but it is clear that I was wrong. You have managed to return in physical form. I suspect… this will provide an opportunity for you to put things right. She is the one… the Olivia Dunham from whom your shared future was meant to spring. This must be, and everything will be as it was intended. You must find a way…”
      September said both tihings: Peter and original Olivia had to be together to spring the right child.

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