Fox has dropped a second promo for 5.04 “The Bullet That Saved The World.
FRINGE: 5.04 The Bullet That Saved The World Promo 2
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I wonder if somehow Olivia goes to the redverse.
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Yeah, and meet Altlivia, that would be in her late 50s!
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Lol that would be awesome. Altlivia would get super jealous of young Olivia and Olivia would get to see what she would have looked like if they hadn’t ambered themselves!
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Someone’s gonna die!
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Peter being blasted by the explosion reminds me of the pilot when Olivia was hurt by the explosion which almost killed John Scott. Her reaction was the beginning of the Fringe journey, most probably, Peter’s reaction, because of course he will not die, will probably be a turning point in the season and it’s bloody time.
This promo also shows that it is surely Etta which will be abducted by the Observers or maybe, crazy theory, she will be projected into a new universe (cortexiphan dosing during pregnancy) and that’s why Walter will have to look for her through the looking glass…
My only regret could be: what is Olivia’s role in all of this, is she now only reduced to be the mother of Etta and Peter ex-wife, hopefully not
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Regarding Peter, hasn’t that been happening since mid-season 3? I certainly feel like him disappearing at the end of season 3′s finale was the beginning of a new journey. One that was definitely driven by his desire to find his way back home and reunite with his Walter and his Olivia. Peter-heavy mythology is going to continue now that the Observers are involved. So I really don’t see how it’s about time
And yes, I’m also thinking about Olivia’s role. So far it seems she might really just end up being Etta’s mother + Peter’s wife and nothing more. I don’t want her to spend the entire season just trying to mend her relationships with these two and have no real impact in the grand scheme of things. That will be extremely disappointing.
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Thanks for the reply Sam, and what I meant with it’s bloody time was not linked to Peter’s importance in the mythology but rather it’s bloody time that we get some action and real interaction with the Observers.
As for Olivia’s role, wait and see but I fear we will be disappointed as I just read that Wyman said on Twitter that the Cortexiphan trials and kids will not be in play in season 5 and he barely mentioned Olivia in his replies…
Anyway, 10 episodes left, I still hope that we will get a good closure for a show that has captivated me for the last 4 years especially season 2 and the beginning of season 3 to be honest.
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Ah, I see. That I agree with! I’m worried though that the Observers are one of those types of characters writers prefer to be mysterious about because they’re never really sure how to explain them. Then when it’s time to feature them prominently there’s a lot of retconning and unsatisfactory answers. Like Wyman recently claiming the Observers aren’t omniscient.
Olivia’s role: It does seem like disappointment is in store. I want future episodes to prove me wrong though. So badly. This might be my bias talking because I do love Olivia the most. But since this is the final season and there won’t be another to make up for things, I will continue to worry and complain if I feel they aren’t going anywhere with Olivia this season
2nd half of Season 1 – beginning of Season 3 for me. I hope for the same!
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The final 10 episodes
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So in the trailer promo for season 5, Peter is the driving force for making Fringe events. But in this promo, he seems helpless and sort of…Pacey-like. And it’s WALTER’s idea. Understand that I am a huge fan of the show and that I think each of The Big Three is equal to the Other Two in terms of importance…it does seem like Peter is getting marginalized a bit. I think John Noble is great. I think Anna Torv is great, and recently, going back and watching some old eppys, they really are phenomenal.
But as regards the character of Peter, I thought they did that a little with him at the end of Season 4. For a guy with a 190 IQ, this character seems to be lacking something.
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EVERY other character on the show has been marginalised for Olivia and Walter pretty much since the beginning of the series, none more so than Broyles, Nina and Astrid. They call them the “core 3″ of the show, but its really the core 2 + Peter who basically just stands there.
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If people still think Peter hasn’t got his due focus yet then just wait and see. I’m not spoiler-free and from everything that I’ve seen/heard, I can assure you there’s a lot going on with him between 504 and 508. You don’t have to worry about Peter this season.
But like I was saying above, this is the final season. This is not the time to marginalize anyone. There should something for every character.
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Agreed.
I didn’t mind it much in Seasons 1-3, because Olivia and Walter still felt fresh and new layers were added.
From Season 4 on however, it all seemed to repeat itself over and over again. It grew old. So it was THE chance to give other, so called “secondary” characters their stories, development and screentime. They would have deserved it. Olivia should have still been lead, but not everything should have revolved around her and her identity crisis.
An it would have helped everyone. The other characters would have been developed a bit and Olivia would have been given time to recover and become interesting again.
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Unfortunately Olivia and Walter are trapped in a stale characterization. This season proves that Olivia hasn’t evolved at all from S1 at all and I actually think she enjoys wallowing in misery. It doesn’t matter that she gets what she wants, be it Peter or a daughter, she still finds ways to sabotage herself and finds unhappiness in the sunniest of days. Such a humorless somber character is not the most enjoyable thing for me to watch.
That said, the writers had the chance to give Peter some focus in S4, but they didn’t care to. As always, they just gave him one episode per season, in this case “And Those We Left Behind”, the rest was about Olivia one way or the other and about Lincoln. I don’t expect that to change now.
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Remember what Peter said about Olivia once? “She sees the best in people even when they don’t see it themselves”. One of Olivia’s flaws is that she’s unable to apply that to herself. Walter telling her, “I wish you could see yourself the way I see you. You have no idea how extraordinary you are” is another example. She just doesn’t give herself enough credit. Whether it’s DRJ forcing her to turn off the lights with her mind, Walter asking her to use her ability to find the building from the alternate universe in Jacksonville, Bell telling her she must stop Newton…she never believes she can pull it off. Even if the people around her keep telling her she can. What this woman lacks is some serious self-confidence.
She’s troubled, doesn’t know how to have fun and just can’t live in the moment. But we know WHY, right? After everything she has been through since she was a child, she doesn’t believe she’s meant to lead a normal life. She believes she’s destined for something else. So if that is true then it’s understandable if she can’t kick back and relax (as much as she would like to) because she knows something will get in the way. And something did get in the way. The Observers invaded, took Etta away and reinforced Olivia’s belief that she doesn’t deserve that sort of happiness because she will always be too conflicted to appreciate what she has due to her “programming”. She is aware of her own problem but the poor thing just can’t help it. Overcoming this, learning to have faith in herself…self acceptance is what Olivia’s emotional journey is ultimately about. So yes, that hasn’t changed about her since season one because her journey isn’t complete yet.
That’s how I see her. Not someone who enjoys being miserable, just someone who wishes she wasn’t.
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Works for me
, Peter got the chance and it was dreadful to watch his “to be or not road”. I wouldn’t mind lots of time spent in Nina’s character though.
I hope it stays focusing on the challenges for Olivia’s character.
All I’m saying is that the Peter character works just fine as he was in seasons 1 or 2, on the edge making an impact on everyone so we can see their wonderful performances
… this last one is just for those who can’t handle a joke.
Well, this season I’m honestly just attached to Olivia and waiting for Nina to show up. Etta seems like a good addition, but not for all season. I gave up on Peter long time ago.
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Yeah, I must admit that I’m not the biggest Peter (the character) fan. Sorry, this could most likely be due to the way the character’s been written, or how JJ plays him, I dunno. I just don’t care about him as much as I do for the other characters. But he is a main character, so I hope he, along with the other characters, does some seriously cool kick-ass stuff in this final season.
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Joshua Jackson has often said that Peter was a McGuffin, and I think he was right. Very necessary to the story, but only to drive the narrative forward and not as an end in the character himself. Fringe, first and foremost, is about Walter and Olivia, and I think that is fine. Walter and Olive are compelling characters. Peter is there, too, but he is the bridge between characters. Think about it:
* Peter was the reason WALTER crossed-over. Walter would most likely have done it anyway, but Peter adds the dramatic element
* Peter was useful to Olivia in getting Walter out of St. Clair’s. He was necessary so that Olivia could have access to the one man who could help her
* Olivia’s love for Peter is what caused HER to cross-over. Would she have crossed-over for Lincoln the Librarian? One would certainly hope not. Her relationship with Peter from day one (and since 1.01 for the shippers in the crowd) was established, and as time progressed, her destiny was tied to Peter’s. But the show is about Olive. Her Cortexi-powers at the end of season 4 made that clear
* Peter was the sometime love interest of the Rockin’ Redhead of the RedVerse, but only as a means to an end. That she fell in love with Peter was incidental to the larger issue, which was her mission Over Here to get pieces of the BBM
* In 4.15, shippers were E-L-A-T-E-D because Peter and Olivia got together, but only after September had to make it plain to The Lost Boy that he really wasn’t lost at all. And I would say that there was probably more joy for Olivia than for Peter when they ended up in that 360-degree spin-and-kiss
* The Observers have often said “The boy is important,” or “The boy is significant,” but it has rarely been revealed as to why that is the case. September hinted at it during the mind-meld in TEOAT. The BBM and the drawing seemed to be a big tip, but that was only to make Peter disappear as the Observers wiped him from history, or attempted to, anyway.
Now let me just say here…I think each of The Big Three is essential to the story that Fringe has been telling. I favor no specific character any more than the Other Two. They are all equal in stature, imo. But I think Joshua Jackson hit it right on the head. Peter, as a character, has a rock star image among fans, but there is some serious ambivalence toward him (even in our community here) and his role as part of the story.
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What could be Olivia’s “idea”? It would be really cool if they bring up tech stuff from season 1.
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Apart from her being a more realized character towards the end of the show, coming to terms with herself, her abilities, her family, I hope she plays a pivotal role in defeating the Badservers. (Is she important even if she weren’t dosed with Cortexiphan?) She is after all the central character of Fringe. I have invested in the tales of Fringe through her eyes, the FBI agent. I will be saddened if she becomes a mere plot device to bring this series to conclusion.
I am also hoping that there would be more to the 10 remaining episodes than fighting the BadServers for the tapes and then one final battle, because that is so predictable and unsatisfying. I am waiting for an interesting Observer mythology, tying up with Walter/Peter/Olivia/Etta importance to this biggest arc and Bellie’s involvement in all of these. One can hope..
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Amazing Olivia and Walter do stuff, they get no criticism nor complaining but all people want to do is complain and whine about Peter doing stuff.
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olivia, for me, has always been the heart of fringe and without the heart the body doesn’t survive because of this, fringe is agonizing since the second half of season 3, when it ceased to have the focus on his protagonist
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HIS protagonist?
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Anna is the only actor to make me cringe on this. Nothing has changed about her from season one and she has been through so much, doesn’t figure. Watching her trying to get emotional I just can’t take seriously
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Funny that’s exactly how I feel about the Peter character. Same as he was since the day we met him.
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I think it’s more an issue of the way the characters are written rather than the acting.
I was annoyed beyond belief with Agent Lee last season, and that wasn’t because of Seth Gabel but because how his blueverse character was written. I think all of the actors have shown great ability when they have good material to work with, but some of the sappy stuff we’ve seen the past couple seasons just doesn’t give them a lot to work with.
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I loved nerdy Lincoln Lee!! Crappy lines or not, I really enjoyed him. I have no complaints or whatsoever about him. I hope he’s happy with sassy boots in the redverse. If Fringe indulges the shippers, we’ll see the them as the sweetest old couple in 2036. Lol!
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To be honest, I don’t really think that Torv’s performance in the beggining of season 1 was as good as in the rest of the show, because it just felt a bit … amateur. But luckly, she rediscovered her amazing acting skills after first few episodes
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Cortexiphan Kid – I agree with you. Anna Torv didn’t blow me away with her performance right away in the beginning. I think more than anything it was her accent that I found a little distracting. Could immediately tell she wasn’t American.
But she has come a long way since then. Such a long way. Which is why the amount of people that have agreed with the cringe comment above is just puzzling to me. Why would anyone stick around for the end of a show where the lead actress has apparently done nothing but make you cringe for 5 years…
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Maybe people love watching shows that make them cringe or the same person keeps agreeing to himself?
The accent didnt bother me at all. But maybe thats because Im not American. Lol.
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Maybe
I’m not American either! But I meant it was obvious she was struggling with it a bit.
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Ok, this is going to sound a bit stupid, but what does ”cringe” mean? According to dictionary that’s ”to behave in an excessively humble or servile way”, and I can see that it’s not something positive for you, but I’m still a bit confused.
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It’s kind of like a facial expression for something you don’t like. Like maybe clenching your teeth together and making a really bad face because something is so bad it surprises you.
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Puzzling to me too. I’m guessing maybe the cringing has more to do with a (perceived?) lack of development of the character as opposed to Anna’s acting? And we could go back and forth on whether or not her character has grown for days. I can’t even decide how I feel about it myself…
Also, if you go back and read press and interviews from Season 1, Anna took a lot of criticism for her portrayal of Olivia during the first run of episodes. The creators commented that it had more to do with how she was written and the fact that they only meant for her to open up and become more multidimensional as the show progressed. Then the critics began to praise Anna as Olivia progressed as a character.
I’ll stick to my previous statement, which is that the actors are this show are top-notch. But even the greatest actors suffer from having to deliver poorly written dialogue, and to me, that has been the biggest issue with Seasons 4 and 5.
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Well, hopefully not in the rest of season 5!
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It’s like we’ve gone from:
Season 1 – She shows no emotions! I can’t relate to her because she’s so cold.
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Season 5 – She’s so emotional! She’s too miserable and it’s not like anything bad has happened to her since the show began. Seriously, why can’t she be more fun like Fauxlivia?
Back then it was definitely the writing. In Season 1, she was strictly playing the FBI agent. Emotionally closed off because she’s just suffered a major setback and is suddenly having to work with the insane and annoying Walter and Peter the pain in the ass (Olivia’s initial impressions of the two). It wasn’t until Season 2 that she became a more fleshed out character.
I don’t think Olivia hasn’t evolved since Season 1 and neither do I have any issues with the way Anna is currently portraying her. But yes, I agree that if the writing isn’t quite up to scratch then even the most talented actors will suffer because of it. The quality has declined in Seasons 4-5.
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Agree.
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We all have witnessed them saying cheesy lines time and again but what can they do? I agree that season 4′s kinda weird for Olivia. I mean she is the only one of the new characters who had to forget her memories in this new timeline for what would seem like mainly for the love for Peter (that’s a bit cheesy). I think original Olivia at the end of season3 would be the evolved version. This amberverse Olivia with the incorporated memories from the original timeline might still reeling from all that’s happened to her esp after the massive experiment was done to her again to collapse the universes. Her horror stories from the original timeline might be front and center by now. Then she had to deal with a child then her loss. Would that cause someone to question themselves? Also, how much does a person change anyway?
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