FRINGE: 5.03 The Recordist

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THE FRINGE TEAM EMBARKS UPON A NEW JOURNEY ON AN ALL-NEW “FRINGE” FRIDAY, OCTOBER 12, ON FOX

As the rogue Fringe team continues to fight off the oppressive Observers’ invasion, unforeseen events lead them into a forest where they encounter a strange subculture of people devoted to recording human history in “The Recordist” episode airing Friday, Oct. 12 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR-503) (TV-14 V)

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth

Guest Cast: Georgina Haig as Henrietta/Etta

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  1. sid03 says

    That was a terrible episode. With 11 episodes to go, they bring in tree people?? Really? I was wondering what happened to the tree guy’s wife – did she bark up and die? LOL

    Seriously tho, Olivia was the only redeeming thing about this episode. I love Anna – she delivers every time. If it wasn’t for her, I may have stopped watching a while ago.

    6/10

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    • Anita says

      I completely 100% agree. My entire family thought it was a joke of an episode. :/ And this late in the game?!!

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        it wasnt that bad, i know it didnt live up to everyones expectations but i felt that it had character progression especially between olivia/peter/etta.

        Agree that Anna Torv was once again the saviour. can she do anything wrong.. i just bloody love her

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          • Cody says

            What a boring episode. I get the feeling the whole defeating the observers thing is going to have 30 mins of footage. The rest of the season is just filler crap like this episode was. We fan are not here for any more character development. Were here for the mythology and to finally get some answers. So hopefully they quit the filler episode crap and get to the real story here. 10 episodes to go, lets roll.

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              • Lincless says

                I’m also here for both, but unfortunately most of the “character development” ist just the third o forth repetion of the same thing by now…that happens if don’t allow growth to ALL of your characters. You can’t keep it fresh if you focus on only two characters for years.

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  2. J.P. says

    It was a really lackluster episode for me. Again, nothing happened. The only important information we were given was that the stones have some special energies that will help defeat the Observers. That took a whole episode to explain… ? Really… ? It was fiiller, nothing more.

    With eleven episodes left (now we’re at ten), we don’t need to know about these “tree people” wearing ridiculous makeup, or that they have decided to record history for some reason. News flash… they’re not the first people to record history, so I don’t see why such a big deal was made out of it. Oh, wait, yes I do… So there could be an “emotional” scene between father and son, with the father struggling to let go. Yawn, yawn. We’ve seen a father struggling to let go of his son countless times on this show, we could go for something a little more original. Sadly though, that is the only way Wyman knows how to write. A conflicted family member, usually a father, faced with a difficult choice in regards to his love for his child, of his duty to the greater good. It’s been worn out so many times already. Come on. And, as a side note, I contemplated turning off the TV when Walter said the word “fungus”… We all remember last year’s fungus detour, don’t we… ?

    Furthermore, I can’t forget about the other universe. Last season, they turned off the Machine, which will likely cause the Other Side to begin falling apart, again. That should also make our side begin to fall apart again, too. There should be vortexes and wormholes opening all over the world, consuming countless lives and crippling our planet more and more every day, regardless of what the Observers are doing. And, when the Other Side “dies”, ours will, as well. Both sides are inextricable. Yet, they still turned off the Machine, because it was “likely” a part of Jones’ plan. Right… This should mean that either way, our world is going to be destroyed, but of course, Wyman just discarded that little piece of game-changing information, because it didn’t suit the story he wanted to tell…

    Thanks again, season four. Not only did you ruin the first three seasons, but you ruined the last one, too.

    Now, tune in next week for an all-new episode of “National Treasure: The Tapes of Destiny”, only on FOX!

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    • willg says

      Actually they explained last year that they stopped the degradation with the machine and when they shut it down it would not continue to degrade.

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      • JM says

        @J.P

        willg is right about them explaining the machine thing in season 4. But otherwise I agree with your post. The “father cant let go” thing got old with fringe at the end of season 2, and they just keep using it. It is likely the whole season will be based around the tapes, however the promo for the next episode looks promising.

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      • J.P. says

        An excerpt from “Worlds Apart”:

        Olivia: The Bridge being opened is what’s enabled the other universe to heal. So, what would happen if we closed it?

        Walter: Most likely, the healing would stop. Their world wouldn’t get any worse, but it wouldn’t get any better, either.

        Another excerpt from “Worlds Apart”:

        Peter: What’s their take on it, closing the Bridge?

        Lincoln: They wanna survive. The recovery process will stop. What can they do?

        Both scenes indicate that there is still a looming risk of further damage. The Machine didn’t “cure” the degradation, it only temporarily healed it. The other universe was still “sick”, even while the Machine acted like antibiotics to fight off an infection. Our side was just the same. Before the Machine was turned on, we began to experience vortexes just like they did, so, when the Machine was turned off, and the healing process over there stopped, it stopped over here, as well. Because both sides are inextricably linked, and every relationship is reciprocal, then if the other side was still crumbling, ours should be, too.

        And, as a small side note, Lincoln’s comment, “they wanna survive”, implies that the Machine being deactivated will still result in their future destruction, regardless of Walter’s mere theory that they will “most likely not get any worse”. That could either be a contradiction on the writers’ parts, or a hint that their world will break down once again, causing our world to do just the same.

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          • Lincless says

            What I hate even more about the maschine thing is that in ep 4.18 they made it look like Jones WANTED to destroy the maschine and two episodes later Jones doesn’t care and they close the bridge themselves to stop (yeah, tremendously succesful) Jones.

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            • J.P. says

              Haha don’t worry JM, that comment was merely my reply to willg, and you said it perfectly, the whole “be a better man than your father” thing that should have been an underlying subplot has instead become the show’s primary focus. It’s time to shake things up a little, especially in a final season that has already shooken so many things up to begin with.

              And Lincless, oh man tell me about it… It’s just another one of those looming plot holes that make no sense, and its those things that completely suck me out of the enjoyment of watching this show.

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        • elisa says

          Your answer is within your question: it would not get any worse! The healing process stopped, but so did the ‘sickening’ process. It just stagnated. No plot hole, IMHO!

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    • elisa says

      You complaint about the repetitive themes on the show isn’t fair. The theme cycle and history repeating itself is a current thing in the series. The show is just saying how important it is to learn to let go.
      I do agree that the whole tree people story was weird and unexplained. But I see it as the series’ way to show us the changes the observers have caused to the world.

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  3. Rae says

    What I love most about this season so far is how, really, it flows in the way a storybook would, with a smoothness and continuity that genuinely continues to add depth to a story with a gazillion fascinating layers.

    First off, might I add that this was far from the “standalone” that alot of skeptics assumed it would be. As I’d anticipated, it read into the journey our characters began three episodes ago, with our team attempting to put together a plan that broke in an old addled man’s raped mind.

    The most pressing correlation, IMO, in this episode, was the relationship between River and his father and Etta and her parents. River’s poppyio, the “hero” if you will, of this chapter, tells his son that there’s a difference between fear and cowardice, and doing what you know must be done and taking the easy way out. This, to my perception, references the reactive road Olivia and Peter both took, in their separate ways, when their daughter went missing. Peter being the “coward” so to speak, his fear, of losing his daughter for good had held him back in Boston while Olivia’s fear of accepting their little girl is most probably dead, pushed her into doing what she knew she had to to deflect. And it was in that deflecting she was doing the right thing, what needed be done, she stayed determined to fight for the survival of mankind. In the end, these two presented us with the differential definitions of cowardice. Peter, in his selfish need to find what was theirs and Olivia, in her selfless need to forget she could so easily be selfish.

    Present here the BEAUTIFULLY written conversation between our two mythological lovebirds while scavenging through their van. I’d had a suspicion the diner PEter spoke of was a lingering conversation and not only was the flashback of a “then” time a nice gift, Olivia’s honesty was something else I found myself tearing up about. I don’t know about you guys, but I’d known, no, I “felt” in the last episode that our Dunhamater took the brunt of the blame for what happened to her junior, and independently, I’d known her husband did too. These two characters are so complexly private in their finger-pointing faults, they can’t even admit to each other the personal responsibility they feel for what’d happened after the invasion.

    It was simply a wonderfully depth-gaining progression to hear Olive truthfully declare that she feels too emotionally damaged to be happy, and even “then” she’d known it. This is so deliciously in character that I was drooling before my television set. If we recall correctly, this is precisely the same concept she declared to Petah, oh so many years ago, when she’d tried to convince herself, leaning against a pub wall, that she didn’t deserve to love someone who loved her. It was so yummy-yum-yums to hear Petah, in an oh-so-Peter way, that no matter the what’s and why’s, they have to find the light in what’s been given them now. In just the way Joshy delivered that beautiful line, I could feel how optimistic a father and husband was in re-gaining a lost happiness, a broken family. It was such a prettyful and needed story progression, that I almost cried.

    The van scene in this episode was my favorite in so many ways, I can’t even word them. Not only did a much needed familial ‘healing’ rear it’s potentially long-concluded head, it drove us deeper into the “what-had-beens” of 2015, and the subsequent aftermath of a married couple’s loss of their child. And I can’t even express well enough how down-hill such a conversation could have gone had it not been so tastefully true to the character of the characters themselves. Beautiful writing, IMO, this season. Just stunning.

    And the leg rub and hand hold, by a hopeful Olivia and gracious daughter at the end, gave me the hopeful goosies myself. The camera pan between the family just made me smile. It felt, almost, like a beginning of something that was a long time coming. And by long time, I mean the last two eppies. It was a beautiful subtle vindication of Peter’s words, once again, effecting and ultimately, guiding Olivia’s ‘my life is only meant for everything doom-y when I think it is’ complex to a softer, less drastically pessimistic side, the same way it ALWAYS does when the love of her life convinces her she’s worthy of a lil’ happy, (a subconscious callback to 6B intended).

    This episode was just another obvious reason why these two balance each other out so perfectly. She’s stubborn, self-deprecating and blames who she is for the pain around her loved ones. He’s stubborn, self-deprecating and blames the world for the pain around them all, his only relief being the miracle of his family and her relief being the depth of how relentlessly he convinces her she’s worth having such a said miracle. God, this show is so great…

    And Peter rushing to check Etta’s arm’s first when it’s realized his father and wife are effected…..so cute. Petah, we know you care about you’re whole family, but you’re so individually cute at this daddy thing. *sigh*

    All that being said, Walter, again, was AMAZING in this episode, more so then the heels on that car insurance lady in the ad that airs every commercial break. His end scene, was of course, my favorite, but goshdarnit John kills it EVERY episode. His scene in the records hold was superb. LOVE the acting, love the man. Bravo.

    Comparatively, this “subculture” in this weeks episode reminded me less of a remaining population desperate to jog down their genealogical and historical roots, and more of almost a Mayan type culture. Like that tribal clan, this little forest township recorded history and preferred seclusion, only caring about the generations after them gaining a mystical knowledge soon to be unknown. I don’t know, perhaps its the eye-rubbing masses of end-time propaganda that’s effected my thought-process, but I simply couldn’t stop drawing similarities between this weeks CotW, and a disappeared Indian tribe that drops off the face of history.

    Not to mention the intriguing aspect of who this “Donald” character could be. Bell perhaps? Or someone we’ll come to recognize from an earlier season? Nice to hear too, that September hasn’t been forgotten, we miss hearing your name man. I tried to wrap my Maneschevitz-wine influenced head around where the name “Donald” could have been heard or how it could possibly be familiar but I failed to come up with anything….like I said…endlessly intriguing.

    I’m consistently being pulled into the new mythology of this season. I have a sneaking suspicion the “energy-ore-rocks” our team go-away with have something to do with the “stasis runes” in the fourth-season finale. Just a guess.

    Good to see too that The Baldies haven’t forgotten they’re on a mission to track fugitives. There wasn’t too much ‘bad-guy’ action to be overwhelming, more then what could have been given us last week, and just enough to realize the Observers are still intent on tracking ‘little blonde girl’ and her traveling comrades.

    The resistance has people inside the Loyalty…awesome… and hot foreign guy (with a name I can’t ever remember) showed up again to warn Etta of the Observer’s keen eye….another awesome.

    Given my appreciation for the powerful ‘family’ content crammed in this episode, I easily forgave the convenience of Astrid having stayed behind in the lab. I told myself it was less of a necessary absence due to character uselessness and more of a character usefulness in trying to rub-a-dub-dub the beta-tape clean. After I convinced myself she stayed behind happily, knowing her contributions were not only relevant, but pressing, I was a much happier Astrid fan myself. :)

    Perhaps I’m in the minority on this, but in no wise do I think this episode was “weak”. In my opinion, it was, quite frankly, a perfect third chapter.

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    • _lost_stef_ says

      Great recap Rae I too also agree with you that this episode was not weak… yes it didn’t have the same excitement as episodes 1 & 2 but like you put it ‘a perfect third chapter’ that helped progress the season.

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    • italianstalian says

      I also tried to think of who Donald could be and the only thing I could think of was the hit man from season 2 that December and the gang sent to kill the girl that august saved from a plane crash. That guys name was Donald

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    • 134sc says

      I totally agree with everything you said, the episode was fantastic.

      Great character moments and a narrative that makes you think (loved the convo about “fear” vs. “coward”).

      I am really enjoying the season so far, looking forward to the next episode; it looks good

      O…gave the episode a 9

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    • shidey17 says

      I always love reading your thoughts about each episode, Rae. While I don’t totally agree with you on the episode as a whole, I do agree about what the best parts were and that Anna and Josh killed it. I’ve rewatched that van scene soo many times and it isn’t getting old yet.

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  4. Ian S. says

    The episode was okay. The themes this week were clear, too clear, shoved in our face clear (not at all like the masterfully crafted “In Absentia”). The treek bark plot was weak, and made me wonder that if it was the excess carbon monoxide, why isn’t anyone in Manhattan getting affected by it, where the entire Central Park has machines pumping it out into the atmosphere.

    Edwin sending the team to “the camp” was also weak, it was really just edited poorly in my opinion. It was confusing, and took me a minute to understand what was happening. The guest acting wasn’t as good (especially the Edwin’s son, though I do understand it’s hard to get impressive child actors).

    I thought the whole episode just had a poor pace to it. A lot of the scenes weren’t particularly interesting, with the supporting acting not being the strong, the cinematography slightly unoriginal, and the music very out of place. I don’t like hearing the quick violin sounds in every scene, they are just not needed. This episode just left a bad taste in my mouth.

    However, there were still good parts to the episode, and the bad parts might be highlighted because there are only 10 episodes left to wrap everything up. The first few minutes of the episode were very good, right up until Astrid told them about the stones. The recording of humanity was very cool, and looked super futuristic. Though I wished they had used it to show us some interesting parts of the past we haven’t seen yet (Observers purging humanity). The last few scenes were very good too, with the Loyalists finding the van and the Fringe team driving away as Edwin’s son added him into the history books.

    It could have been better in a lot of ways, here’s hoping the plot is going to kick forward now and all the interesting characters will be having screen time (Windmark, Broyles, Nina, SEPTEMBER!)

    7/10

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  5. KOs says

    I just don’t buy the execution of this eppy. It’s like, we are in the future, we are being chased by someone who can read minds. So let’s have tea party.

    Again, I expect something that is more exciting for the final season. Last week’s eppy was ok because the emotion has great tensions and was acted very well by The Petah Family. But this week, really, what was that?

    6/10

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    • Rae says

      It’s my opinion that this “broadened” sense of the world is being delivered us because, realistically, in a time such as 2036, tracking down tapes and materials that were hidden all over the damn place would introduce one to new things and strange places that could seem redundant, but ultimately, prove to be unavoidable because, well, the world is just different, and some less relevant-to-the-big-picture things are gonna be obstacles.

      Why? Cause if life were easy and narrow-roaded to these characters, we wouldn’t have had five seasons, and none of them would have had comparative experiences that gave them life-changing realizations along with the ability to make the right decision and to be better people. You know…kinda like it happens in real life….

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      • KOs says

        I totally agree your points. This show is amazing because we got a chance to know the characters thought the course of the previous seasons.

        but the show used to have excellent pace too. We use to get exciting stories while developing our understanding to the characters and the new world (eg. Parallel Universe). Where is that kind of pace now when it is the most appropriate time to have? The future can be dangerous can be lots of new stuff. But so far, for 3 episodes, black market? Amber gypsies?

        Well but I am glad that at least you are enjoying what they are presenting. I understand we are all different and have different tastes and paces and so on. Maybe I am just not patient enough. Lol

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  6. _lost_stef_ says

    #ForTheRecord… I felt that this episode had its positive and negatives… It didn’t have the same excitement as Transilience & In Absentia but i still enjoyed it otherwise.

    Once again Anna Torv was brilliant and that scene between Olivia and Peter is something i had been waiting for. Olivia opening up that it wasn’t her strength that sent her back to New York it was her fear, Fear that she would find Etta dead. So instead she carries around this guilt that it is her doing what had happened to Etta.

    Absolutely loved this line by Olivia made me cry
    ‘When we lost her I felt like that was my punishment. My punishment for being too conflicted to appreciate her when we had her’

    I love how Peter puts it that their family got a second chance to be together.
    Awww and that last scene where Olivia grabs Etta’s leg…. It just says it all.

    Cannot wait for next week! 10 episodes remaining let’s all just enjoy this wonderful show.
    Time for my rewatch where maybe viewing it for a second time will put the episode into a different presepective.

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    • says

      I think I agree with you. My immediate reaction is kind a — good moments, but also some really slow moments. I could have done without the man and his son. I thought that scene went on for too long. However, I reserve my opinion until after I’ve given it a rewatch.

      I do love our show!

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      • OtherBen says

        The father-son subplot did bring it down for me. They both tended to talk in sweeping cliches. Fringe in the past has done well by having more naturalistic supporting characters.

        Just a little dip, though. I’m hopeful we’ll be back on track soon.

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      • says

        Okay, I rewatched the episode on my computer. I have the season pass, so I downloaded it early this morning. I find that watching it on my computer allows me to really ‘feel’ the episode. I feel like it’s just me and the characters.

        It was a terrific episode upon a second watch. I still think the scene between the father and son was a bit to long, but I understand why they did it–I just didn’t like. I would rather see more moments with our characters, but that’s just me being selfish. :)

        The highlights were definitely the scene(s) between Peter and Olivia–I enjoyed both the van scene and the proceeding scene when Peter ask if Olivia remembered the restr/man’s name. I think Etta could sense something wasn’t right–I really do like this Georgina, she’s killing the Etta role.

        I am a huge Polivia fan and Anna Torv fan. Anna is simply terrific; and she and Peter’s scenes together–since season 3, have been well-done (season 4 being the strongest). Now we know why she hesitated when she told Peter she was pregnant–conflicted. This was a really good Olivia episode. It was truly all about her. Etta is certainly the catalyst to Olivia’s journey this season. I think she will finally allow herself to trust and thus be able to truly love her daughter and Peter.

        Peter was wonderful. His reaction to Olivia’s confession was perfect to his character. Peter has always been the positive one. If you think about it, the entire season Peter has said “it will be okay”. I love him. Again, as I said last episode, Josh Jackson is terrific.

        I love Astrid’s interaction with Walter. Her expressions and the looks she shoots at Walter are priceless. I wish she had more to do, but I understand that the season is really about the ‘big’ three and completing their stories.

        With that said, I will give this episode a 8.8/10. I hate having to wait two weeks for a new episode, but at least it prolongs the season a bit more.

        Hey all, if you get a chance, please check out my blog. There is a special letter to you guys that I’d love for you to read. Go to http://www.tvloveaffair.com.

        FRINGE ROCKS!!!

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        • says

          Is my post being moderated because of the blog address? If so, I can edit it out if possible. I wasn’t sure if you can promote your blog or not–I’m not trying to promote the blog, just one post. Sorry, if that’s the case.

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          • trancefreak says

            I will keep this spoiler opinion free but look at this EP. Now compare it to the what we might see in the end,

            Who is the Mad scientist who might have to sacrifice himself to fix it fix everything.

            Also anyone pay attention to the Missing ads? The references were clear: Missing dates were 2033(Not 2015)/ LOST(Reference)/Wise predominate 2 times (Weis)/ Ambered or Amber P/O.

            Albeit this EP looks slow paced but it was there. Foreshadowing galore IMO to the grand outcome.

            I wont reveal how the season ends because I am probably close to the marker on this but think of the whole entire picture of Fringe itself instead of the one EP and Imagine what lies ahead. The writers promised answers and we will get them. Look how S4 picked up from the midway point which IMO seemed to have a confused plot line for some time it really got good. Season 1-3 where my favorites but think about what will happen to get a conclusion. Will are heroes stay in 2036? Will they restore balance at the grand sacrifice of never knowing each other again by? This must be IMO.
            Every season a storm was coming depending on which storm it was and defeated by the Fringe team but with consequences. This is the thematic of Fringe and I am sure this is how it will end.

            In the closing segments of the final chapter It would be cool to see September tipping his hat in a Silhouette.

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            • says

              Interesting theory . . . I hope it doesn’t end with them not knowing each other, although I would be okay with it not ending in 2036 which I do think will be part of the outcome.

              Also, how would ‘them’ not having met, be a satisfying–if in fact that’s what you’re saying? Well, I guess Olivia wouldn’t have been experimented on and she might just have killed her stepfather anyway. So, are you saying that Peter would have remained in redverse because Walter would never have crossed over to save him. I’m just trying to understand how it would be work to end the way you are suggesting. If you think about it, them having not had Peter in their life left a void . . . won’t they all feel as if they’re missing something?

              Maybe I’m just not following what you’re saying.

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              • trancefreak says

                scully I really want them to remember themselves but as we are told nature seeks balance and if this is what it takes to restore the world to where FRINGE did its last job it is satisfying.

                Mistakes were made in the past by Walter, Bell Peter Massive dynamic and I believe that for the world to return to a normal conclusion this team will have to do something to restore it all. Before the Pattern the tearing of 2 worlds bells end game and an Observer invasion.

                If they returned to 2015 they would create a paradox someone or all of them will have to sacrifice it all for mankind.

                Maybe they were all destined to meet in every timeline
                regardless well have to see but Wyman said there will be things I cant spoil here.

                Of course I don’t know the ending and I am not sure that mankind can survive in the current polluted observer dsytopian.

                There were reasons Walter remembered things. I don’t believe when Fringe started we were witnessing an original timeline. I consider it T-1 compared to T-0 for original timeline.

                There is also an interview with Pinker and Wyman that suggest that something occurred to cause a universe split creating the alter realty red world.

                Also something happened to create the machine. So the machine was designed by Walter for Peter to use it in S3. So what was so bad that a time loop was created?

                Perhaps are team runs off into the sunset in 2036 with a casualty of war to save the future and take it away from the observers. but does a 2036 outcome seem to be where we will end up. I hope not. That world is tainted bad unless it is fixable.

                I can’t wait to see how it plays out.

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    • Amanda says

      Totally agree too, good parts, bad parts. Olivia was the best part again, and that talk to Peter was the high point. Low point, too much about the tree father and son, we don’t need more speeches like that in this short period of time.

      And I also LOVE the scene in the car, very touching.

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    • ML says

      Do you think it was in character to describe herself as being or feeling detached from Etta. I’m not sure I buy that. The Olivia we have seen has always had warm and loving relationships with children. To hear Olivia say she was punishing herself because she was detached from Etta bothers me because that doesn’t seem like our Olivia.

      I’m curious how others interpreted her words

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      • Rae says

        She never said she felt “detached” from her daughter. It was more of her guilt was “holding her back” from re-forging a relationship with her kid. More so to, the point was that even “back then” when Etta was only a tot, Olivia had internally believed that even though she was now, she didn’t deserve to be a mother because she was too damaged. She’d felt that, eventually, she’d somehow be punished for overcoming her “programming” and being happy. And then boom, it’d happened.

        I really don’t think it was a lack of compassion or love thing, in fact, given Peter’s words and Olivia in the past seasons, I’m sure of it. It was more of her guilt complex was chocking her ability to move past her self-doubt and realize she’s not so destined for only-the-losing-end-of-played-odds after all.

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  7. number six says

    That was a very poor episode and I don’t think it’s something they can afford it this season. They are cramming too many Walter jokes and too much quirkiness, to the point where he seems more of a clown than a well-rounded character. The only scene I liked with him was the one in the vault with the tree dad.

    Olivia’s confession and self-flagellation rang false to me, there was something odd with her acting or maybe it was the script, but I didn’t buy it. Even Georgina Haig didn’t do anything for me, it’s like she decided to take the opposite stance of Anna Torv, so she smiled most of the time to contrast with Torv’s gloomy face.

    Is this season going to be about retrieving one or two objects per episode? Because it’s already getting old.

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    • JM says

      I agree it was a lacklustre episode, however I felt that Peter/Olivia scene was probably the best they have had on the show, because 0% of the dialogue didnt make me cringe. Its quite funny actually because during that scene i wasnt really watching the screen (I had got bored about 5 minutes in, so it was on in the background) and every time Olivia had a scene i could hear jacket ruffling because her hands were moving, I swear she moves her hands everytime she speaks lol

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      • ML says

        Did their dialogue in Marionette make you cringe? Or Olivia doubting Peter’s love for her in S3? Those were some of their best moments so I don’t know where you are coming from that their dialogue makes you cringe. I think the writers have done an excellent job of creating a real relationship despite the crazy circumstances like doppelgangers, being erased from existence and now having a relationship with a daughter you lost.

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        • Lincless says

          Personally, I thought Marionette was both.
          Some parts were well written (last scene), but others were one of the most cringe-worthy parts (hospital scene).

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    • Lincless says

      I have already forgotten what happened in this episode, although I just finished watching.

      I’m scared to say that, but it seems to me like Season 5 could really undermatch Season 4. If you erase Lincoln and timeline shit from Season 4, it got some interesting new layers and still completed the story (AU, Bell/Bishop etc.) in SOME way.

      This season…i mean what is this…?????
      It’s not Fringe, it’s something like Falling Skies pretending to be Fringe…yes, now I know it, this is FALLING FRINGE, a Fringe/Falling Skies crossover…woah, at least we got “our” cast (i know, only what’s left of it), that’s great!

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      Because some morons thought that baseball is more important than Fringe.
      Americans – everything is about sport. :)

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      • _lost_stef_ says

        i dont mind baseball (and im not american) but come on! its the last season give us some episodes in a row. At least we will feel like the season is a little longer, maybe? lol

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      • Rick Terry says

        Hey now…I’m American, and I take issue with your comment. If you want someone to blame, then blame FOX. I’m not a fan of baseball, but FOX has the contract for post-season baseball, they have for many years, and while it is not likely that baseball will play on that Friday it is possible that mother nature will postpone a game (it happened last year). Thus they re-arranged the schedule in case it happens.

        I’d personally rather they do this, than play it for you guys while leaving us an episode behind. I would have to avoid the internet if that happened.

        Just remember there are Americans reading these comments, and making broad assumptions, is not very becoming. :)

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          • Underseer says

            I’m not an American. I don’t live in America. But I’m weary of ‘fashionable’ anti-American sentiment by people from countries who hardly put them in a position to point fingers or make thoughtless and offensive sweeping generalisations.

            I was born in country obsessed with soccer to a pathological degree. It’s some people’s entire lives. And I know it’s the same in many other nations.

            The show was created in America, with American money and a great deal of American creativity. A large proportion of compelling science fiction, in film, books and TV, originates in the United States.

            Wyman is Canadian. Torv and Noble are Australian. So what? I don’t think any of them would call this a Canadian or Australian show.

            So my comment still stands.

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        • Cortexiphan Kid says

          @Rick Terry (and other Americans)

          I have nothing against Americans, I don’t think that you are morons (except those at Fox that put Fringe on friday) or that they’ve ruined Fringe (once again, except those morons at Fox that put Fringe on friday). I’m just saying that countless american tv series and movies kind of leave the impression that Americans are obsessed with sport. That’s probably not the case, but that is what a lot of people in my country (or Europe) thinks.
          So, again, i wasn’t calling americans morons, I was calling Fox people (people that put fringe on friday) morons. And I know Americans didn’t ruin Fringe (at least 2.7 million americans that are watching it didn’t).
          So yeah, sorry for misunderstanding. :)

          BTW, in my country they are playing season 4 at the moment (lol, you should read the describtions they wrote about episodes – hillarious) and it’s on at 1.00 am, so to American viewers: you have no idea how very lucky you are :)

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          • Rick Terry says

            I am not mad atchya! :) Baseball has a nick name, it’s called “The American Pastime”, but in all honesty our version of football is the most widely watched sport. While it is true that we Americans love our sports. I’d say it is no different than Europeans and their Football (soccer).

            But what it really all boils down to is money. Unfortunately Fringe is not making FOX any money, so if the possibility exists that one or more of the postseason baseball games could run over to Friday, then FOX is most certainly going to go with the money versus the fandom of Fringe. They are actually doing us a favor by officially moving it back on the schedule ahead of time (giving us a heads up), rather than bumping it last minute (leaving many wondering what happened like last year). Historically Baseball does not normally play on Friday, but as we know from last year sometimes games get rained out. Because of what happened last year, and the apparent backlash it caused with the fans, this year they decided ahead of time to shelve it for a week. If the game doesn’t end up running into Friday, then maybe they will play Fringe, but I think they will go with a rerun so as not to confuse the situation even more so.

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  8. Robert Ariadne says

    Not as good as the last two, but it recentered the focus of the season; and not necessarily in a good way. I have some ideas as to how this’ll go down as we head towards the finale.

    I think, and I’ve thought as far back as Letters of Transit, that Walter’s plan is to build a giant Beacon to lock the Observers out of all universes and all timelines (though I wonder why they wouldn’t try to reopen the portal to the other side). Such a device would obviously require an enormous power source, like what they found in the mine. We need to see September again before this all finishes.

    The actual “recordists” were extremely disappointing, I was expecting something more sinister. WHY aren’t there more resistance fighters? Did everyone just give up on reclaiming the earth for themselves and their offspring? You may say something like Edwin, “it would do more harm than good; maybe if we keep our heads down and be good, they’ll leave us alone.” But that’s insane, and I’ll explain why later.

    One thing about the recording room: did anyone else think of the Jedi Archives?

    Glad Astrid got something to do this week, but I can’t help but wonder why she got betamax detail. I imagine she, Broyles (WHERE is he?), and possibly Walter will die this season.

    I got some heated responses last week about my take on torturing Gale the Loyalist; most agreed with Olivia in pitying him and letting him go. I disagreed, saying that Etta was right to torture him, and that he was untrustworthy. One common point that came up was “Our compassion is what separates us from the Observers, if we lose that, we’re just as bad.” Any cruelty undertaken during war can be justified (remember Walternate’s comeback to Fauxlivia in 6:02 AM EST “That’s because you still have the luxury of your ideals. I have to be pragmatic.”).

    My critics believe that our humanity, our compassion, is what separates us from the likes of Windmark; but that is wrong. It’s our FREE WILL that separates the two of us. When someone comes along and says “You are too foolish to govern yourselves, we know better.” THAT is the true dehumanizer. To truly be human, people MUST be allowed to choose for themselves what is right and what isn’t.

    Oftentimes, this can lead to unimaginable tragedy; senseless, preventable tragedy. People are not angels (James Madison wrote that “If men were angels, no government would be necessary”); we are miserable, messed-up, broken creatures. But we are capable of SO much if we truly wish to change. We can do wonderful, beautiful things: the moon landing, the pyramids, the works of Shakespeare, Beethoven, etc; BUT ONLY IF WE ARE FREE TO CHOOSE. If freedom is absent, the gesture is meaningless.

    To quote another amazing work (I’d be a great recordist) on freedom: “An inch. It is small and it is fragile and it is the only thing in the world worth having. We must never lose it or give it away. We must NEVER let them take it from us.” Freedom can, and often does, lead to evil; but it is only through it that we can dream a better world for the Rivers in our lives, and use our inborn abilities to build it. The Human Spirit, in short, and because Olivia, Walter, Peter, Astrid, and Etta are full of it; they can… must… and WILL beat the Observers.
    (I’m RobertAriadne, and I approve this message)

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    • willg says

      I understand what you are saying but even the observers have free will. This is evidenced by what August and later September have done against the collective will of the observers as a whole. It is what they chose to do and how they did it. They chose to save a life because they had compassion and cared about who they were trying to save and help.

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    • elisa says

      Nice speech…
      BUT: NO, any cruelty is not justified during war (hello? that is why there are trials for war crimes). And, yes, If you act like your enemy, you are just as bad. If you torture who tortured you, it is understandable, but not justified.
      And, you lose your point when at the end the loyalist redeems himself by saying he would change sides. So, Olivia was actually right! Not Etta.

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    • SissySiri says

      I agree with you Robert. I am sure that you know that the Hubble Telescope Extreme Deep Field or XDF over 10 years took photographs of a small patch of sky slimmer than the width of the moon and it revealed thousands of galaxies, both near and distant. What is most mind blowing is that in this compilation of photographs the XDF contains about 5,500 galaxies. In that small patch, it found 5,500 so can you even imagine what is out there in the whole sky. Do you realize what this means? It means to me that we need our team to save this planet at whatever costs and send the Observers packing. They have plenty of options for other places to live and I believe they have the technology to get there. :-)

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  9. Amanda says

    Sometimes is very handy to me when Walter talks in metrics measures, cause I usually have to make calculations to get it right.

    But, maybe not for you in North America….

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    • sid03 says

      Canadians use the metric system (and sometimes a hodgepodge hybrid system). Americans use the imperial system.

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        • SissySiri says

          The French originated the metric system of measurement. Since America was founded we have used the Standard, English Units and/or Imperial Units system of measurement. Why should we convert to the French metric system? We are not trying to inflict our system on other countries.

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  10. Bottger says

    I personally liked the episode. The first part made me laugh so hard, probably because i had just gotten done indulging myself ;) however……..werent the loyalists right up the road? *Etta, looks through her crazy high tech binoculars* DUN DUN DUNNNNN theyre coming!!!!!!!!!!! and then………….. somehow they never show up, and just happen to find the van JUST late enough. how was that even possible. there was a good 10 15 minutes real time, probably more on the show. sorry i just thought i’d come rant. but as for the episode, I think it sets it up nicely for the rest of the season and i am looking forward to seeing what happens :D

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    • trancefreak says

      If think it was a smart move by the Loyalist. It was getting dark, they didn’t know the terrain and could of got ambushed. They also noted there were only a few ways out and they caught the bluff decoy at the end :).

      What I don’t understand is why the Observers cant just fly in and out flattening space time like they are accustomed to, unless they don’t feel threatened or are waiting. Perhaps they feel the need to stay in the cities although Windmark and Observer 2 whisked Donald away from the mine Mhh

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  11. David says

    With a reduced budget, comes a shorten season, with not so glamorous sets, and probably actors on a reduced pay-packet result, the episode we had tonight, which while slightly off the pace of the other two, nevertheless, wasn’t such a bad episode in the scheme of things.
    What was relevant in this episode to me as its been a various time throughout this shows life, is the difficult decision the father had to make, in either doing nothing to help the fringe team to stay with his son OR try to give his son a better chance at living a better life by helping the fringe to rid the world of the observers thus promoting a better world, but to do this he knows he must sacrifice himself to do so.
    Sometimes episodes that require a bit of thinking in the end, end up just a powerful as episode that have a lot of action.

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    • KOs says

      I am aware of the reduced budget issue since season 4. Maybe that affect the special effects and stuff, and it is a very realistic thing to consider why the show is different now. And we should really appreciate while we still get a closure for the show.

      However, choices of the focal point of each episode can be better even with a limited budget. We don’t need a massive blow-up or fast-five kinda action scenes to get the story look interesting. I would have enjoyed 5×03 more if it was more related to the overall mythology, revealing more questions that is left off from the past.

      Pacing and focal points are what bother me since season 4. Even the lines are becoming more cheesy. You don’t have to be cheesy to let other see the character’s emotions. Season 1 and 2 didn’t have that much cheesy conversation but we still love our characters. All these stuff bothers me a little bit while I am watching Fringe lately.

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      • ML says

        Nah Fringe has always had moments of being overly sentimental. Remember 6B? Still one of my all time favorite shows but they do get too cheesy at times.

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      • Underseer says

        “I would have enjoyed 5×03 more if it was more related to the overall mythology, revealing more questions that is left off from the past… Pacing and focal points are what bother me since season 4. Even the lines are becoming more cheesy.”

        Agreed. The episode did little to move the story forward. It felt like a filler, a throwaway episode, which Wyman promised would not happen.

        Essentially the entire episode was about getting some crystals – this could have been handled in the first scene of the episode. The entire episode felt padded out with a pointless focus on peripheral characters.

        And, dismayingly, the chemistry between Torv and Jackson seems to have attenuated, which I think is directly proportional to the brittle and lacklustre dialogue.

        I long for the days of the poignant power of ‘White Tulip’, ‘Peter’ and ‘Subject 13′. Sadly, it seems the show’s creative power peaked just before the season 3 finale. I hope to see Fringe go out in a blaze of glory, but my trepidation grows with just Wyman and four of Fringe’s weakest writers at the helm. Pinkner, come back, all is forgiven ;)

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            • Lincless says

              He did. But I’m not sure if this is the truth.
              I mean, does he have a new job already? If not, no payment vs. reduced payment and the opportunity to give YOUR show a great ending? He chose no payment? I don’t know.
              The general development makes me skeptical, too.

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        • Lincless says

          “White Tulip” was probably Wyman’s best writing for the show.
          You can hardly believe it’s the same man who writes nowadays…he yet he claims he “became a better writer” :D well, freedom of opinion.

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        • Sam says

          I miss Pinkner. He was the last of the original 4 co-creators of the show and I was so disappointed when he abandoned us too.

          It really is sad that none of them stuck around for the end. I’ll always wonder how different things would have been if they were still here. But Wyman’s vision is the only option we’ve got.

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          • says

            Makes me wonder what would have transpired had Pinkner stayed, and Wyman packed his bags and left.

            I think my head is going to explode ! Lol

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            • Sam says

              Yeah! I liked Pinkner’s style better. Though I love just about every episode he wrote with Wyman. They obviously had their creative differences and distinct ways of approaching things but that worked well for the show because they used to balance each other out and the end result was therefore fabulous.

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                • Sam says

                  Lincless – Definitely.

                  Starman – That is true. No one was at their best during season 4. I don’t feel all that strongly about 501 and 502 though. I can still name a couple of episodes from season 4 that I found more enjoyable than these 2. As crazy as that may sound!

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          • Starman says

            Well, Pinkner was involved in his share of weak scripts, including the Season 4 premiere and the Season 4 finale, both of which were underwhelming in my opinion. I found the first two episodes of Season 5 much more interesting in comparison.

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          • JaniceG says

            Yes, I think Pinkner grounded this show. Wyman is creative, but sappy. I think Pinkner was the one who made sure mythology was frontrunner.

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        • elisa says

          Well, in all that, you may have a point, except for:
          ‘And, dismayingly, the chemistry between Torv and Jackson seems to have attenuated, which I think is directly proportional to the brittle and lacklustre dialogue.’
          If you feel that way, great, cause that is how it is suppose to be. They have less chemistry because the charachters were separated, just 2 months ago. And have relationship issues to resolve. Duh!

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  12. Sam says

    Not a terrible episode. I think it started off well but I kept waiting for something to happen and nothing did.

    These Recordists could have been really interesting people. I thought we were going to learn a great deal from them about the invasion maybe, what Fringe Division was up to in 2015 or some sort of significant event. Anything. But it was just a wasted opportunity. Instead they decided to focus on the father and son and while I have always enjoyed this kind of attention to guest stars and their own personal stories in the past it just wasn’t very impactful here.

    One of my problems with the 2036 setting and so far with season 5 in general is the sloppiness of the Observers and Loyalists and that was again evident in this episode. It takes them 2 (or 3?) days to spot the team again and they’re just so easily fooled. The Loyalists especially are so useless! It looks like this will change next week but at the moment the Observers have just failed to scare me in any way. They don’t seem like a threat at all. I remember the alternate universe was a lot more alert and sharp than these baldies when our Fringe team first crossed over. It really did feel like Bell, Walter and Olivia were constantly on the run. The stakes are *supposed* to be higher now but they just don’t seem that way. Funny how they managed to establish a believable alternate universe with familiar faces and Observer-ruled 2036 is yet to convince me.

    The Peter and Olivia scene was lovely though, definitely the highlight of the episode. Anna Torv rocks!

    6.5/10.

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      • Sam says

        True. You’d think the Observers would use some sort of mind control to make them better soldiers or something. But nope, they’re going to be stuck with an incompetent army which will only make our team’s job easier :P

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  13. helga says

    Walter bishop’s car reappears at the end of this episode with no warning….we don’t know how they found it or if we are supposed to understand it is the same car – clearly this car is rare if not the last one of its kind on earth before and after the amber event.

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    • Sam says

      That bothered me. Maybe I’m just too nitpicky but everything seems to be a little too convenient this season.

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    • Rae says

      I really doubt it was Walter’s car. It was a make and model just like Walllie’s old Stationwagon. That would be why he liked it so much…just a logical assumption.

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      • shidey17 says

        True….although if you look back to the pilot and the station wagon in the storage facility with the hand in amber…….

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  14. _lost_stef_ says

    Can not stop watching that Polivia scene, personally i thought it was perfect :)

    It’s not that I can’t remember it’s that I can’t forget…I couldn’t put it into words then but I felt responsible …I wanted so much to be a mother but, I just didn’t think that I was programmed that way, that I was destined for something else. Ever since I was a kid, since the cortixephan trials I was at odds. So how could I have this incredible little girl.

    So when we lost her I felt like that was my punishment. My punishment for being too conflicted to appreciate her when we had her.
    And you thought I went back because of my strength and she said that she admired me today.

    Olivia, I saw how u were with our little girl, I know how much u love her, And I’m not telling you to forgot it, but the past is the past don’t let it get in the way of this.
    I don’t know why it’s happened but our family got a second chance.
    So I’m going to take it

    So sweet :)

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      I know right! One of my favorite moments in this season – and my favorite in this episode. It was well acted, touching, emotional and just …
      Perfect.

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      • Sam says

        Perfect indeed. I think there should an Olivia monologue in every episode. They’re just that good! The depth that Olivia has to her is incredible and makes me love her more and more each episode. She’s such a tragic soul who is so hard on herself that I desperately want to reach through my TV and give her a tight hug.

        My favourite scene of the season so far.

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  15. Cortexiphan Kid says

    Ok, here’s just a couple of things I wrote watching the episode. I kind of do it every week, but this time, I decided to make it in one comment. Keep in mind that I made those while watching the episode, so they are probably totaly wrong, silly and confusing :)
    – lol, Walter is a great role model for Etta when it comes to drugs
    – about the numbers: she’s sure. She’s also wrong
    – those license plates looked too small to be useful
    – Olivia didn’t really looked that excited about taking a trip around the forest.
    – It’s nice too see that Geocaching still exsists in 2036
    – A wicked tree dwarf?? Must be brown betty or something :)
    – aww, Etta went on missions with her imaginary mum. How sweet
    – I said it was a comic book, didn’t I?
    – lol, Olivia signing comic books, and giving authograms!
    – An apple?! That’s just sad. And seen many times in scifi
    – Etta seemed a bit confused that her parents were eating apple pies, when they sould be saving the world
    – why would anyone complain over having a photographic memory?
    – Olivia feels responsible. What a shocker. :)
    – Aww, poor Olivia and her cortexiphan thing. While abilities are gone (:(), the negative effects still remain
    – I wonder if Etta knows about Cortexiphan
    – I sure hope they won’t beat Baldies using Ampilicite (magical mineral)

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    • _lost_stef_ says

      I too also had the same impression ‘- Etta seemed a bit confused that her parents were eating apple pies, when they sould be saving the world’

      i think it is why olivia didnt want to tell Peter the name of the resturant and why she felt uncomfortable talking about it in front of Etta, she felt guilt over what had happened.

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      • Rae says

        Honestly, I get the impression that Etta enjoyed hearing her parents recollecting, despite the gloomy aspects of such a memory. To her and Peter, this “second chance” thing is already happening, so hearing and conversing of the “before time” isn’t nearly so mum as Olivia’s inner conflict is making it out to be.

        Things are a lot easier to talk about when you’ve already accepted them and moved on, and in between all the messy lines the good things are highlighted above the bad-which is precisely the point of view Peter was having in mentioning a wickedly delicious apple pie during the search for lil Dunhamator. That’s validated more for us when he tells the wifey later that he’s taking this “having his family back” with open arms.

        I realize a lot, that some of the dialogue isn’t appreciated for what it’s meant to be. Yeah, there has been some off-the- mark writing in this show in the past, don’t get me wrong, but even then, it was meant to reveal or add depth to the fact that deep down inside, our characters are rawly, innately human, dealing with the world in the way their individual personalities are allowing them to.

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    • says

      yes, I noticed it, too.
      Olivia gave Etta the wrong longtitude co-ordinates despite having photographic memory on numbers …. it never happens before. Is her ability / power fading?

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    • says

      I went to Google Map and check the Latitude and Longitude coordinates and found out that our Dunhamnator is *RIGHT*, it is Walter’s (taped) coordinates that was WRONG. According to google map:
      Walter’s coordinates: 49º20’2”N 79º12’32”W is somewhere is Val-Paradis, Quebec, Canada; whereas…
      Olivia’s coordinates: 41º20’2”N 79º12’32”W is ‎around Cook Forest, in Leeper, Pennsylvania….
      And we are all aware that the Canada/US border was intended to follow the 49th parallel north, therefore anything north of 49ºN should technically be in Canada.

      Olivia is CORRECT, just that it should have matched the coordinates given by Walter in the Betamax tape ….. unfortunate slip-up?

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      • Cortexiphan Kid says

        Yeah, it’s probably just a production mistake.
        Nothing major, so I guess we can forgive them that :)

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  16. DeepRunner says

    Good Eppy Tonight. It had the look and feel of an Indiana Jones film, with some psychological studies on the side. Lots of contrasts and “rewinds”:

    * Astrid and Walter with the phaser/light saber getting the first tape they would find. Good for Astrid giving Walter pretty direct language that he should’t be criticizing her work or effort

    * Astrid (was it just me or did walter not really butcher her name, or even call her by name?) spending time in the lab rewinding the tape was a great metaphor for the episodes that this eppy paid homage to. The rewinding of the tape was also a parable for people trying to remember events. The tape itself was old and had several places in it where Astrid had to go back and review and review and REVIEW until she got “the story”

    * Walter was a major ham this episode: from claiming credit for “liberating” the videotape, to putting on his shades in the old station wagon. It was all good stuff!

    * Walter and his…ahem…pipe, in a “rewind” (callback) to episodes such as Brown Betty, and finding the bag of pakalolo to sniff. “I had a prescription” was another rewind to Season 3’s 6955 kHz, when he and Nina were using their….”medicine”…If Walter hid all the tapes in a drug-induced state, then this could make the treasure a bit humorous

    * For contrast, the hero worship that Etta has for Olivia vs. the guilt that Olive felt for not being there for her child (which she explained later). Etta saying Olive was more than she (Etta) imagined and that she always evnivisioned being on a mission with her. Any parent gets some level of reverence from their child (at least until the teen years ;) ), and every parent enjoys “Take Your Kid to Work Day.” For the child, it’s a big adventure, as it was for Etta. The foreshadowed guilt and apprehension that the Dunhamnator felt was something that anyone can experience: Am I worthy of this? Can I live up to this?

    * The kid with the comic books he wrote about the Fringe team was hero worship beyond what Etta had for her Mum. Peter enjoyed the adulation (somewhat) while Olivia was understatedly responsive.

    * The Recordist himself in the library/vault with Walter, rewinding to historical moments. Was that a COOL interface or WHAT? Also, we saw Broyles as an image from the history, Makes me wonder what we will see next eppy–the image of Broyles as WE remember him, or the image of Broyles as a collaborator with The Bald Battalion, just as his doppelganger was a collaborator with DRJ last season

    * OK, when they said “Donald,” the first thing my mind rewound to was Season 2’s August, with Donald the Observer’s Hit Man who “corrected” things. If that had been the case, the manhunt-in-the-past aspect would have been R-E-A-L-L-Y cool. Unfortunately, it didn’t go down that trail, as The Bald Battalion picked him up for trying to steal their rocks. (In the tape

    * The best “rewind” scene—P/O outside the van as Olive rewinds in her mind to that day at Donovan’s restaurant. The guilt she felt for not wanting to go to the refugee camp in Maine. Any parent who has ever been a parent has faced moments (“mind rewinds”)great and small when they feel like they should have been there for their child or children. Peter reminding Olivia that the current situation was a second chance to have the family was a rewind/callback to when Nina and Walter in the lab last season, talking about the second chance that Walter had to have a son named Peter

    * The scene in the mine was the nod to the Indiana Jones films. A calcified body sitting at the bottom of the mine was the image that made it seem that way, for me anyway.

    * Contrast the cowardice of the Loyalist from last week with the desires of the Recordist to not say goodbye to his son (a callback/rewind to the many times Walter, in BlueVerse and AmberVerse, said that about not wanting to lose his son). People make decisions in moments great and small, and the Recordist saw that his decision had real consequences.

    All in all a good eppy, it plodded a little, but still good. Now, let’s fast-forward two weeks, shall we? :)

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  17. Starman says

    After two excellent episodes, this one was something of a disappointment. The biggest problem was the poor pacing. Despite a few interesting moments (the Peter/Olivia conversation being the best part) most of the episode dragged, most of the dialogue wasn’t very engaging, and there wasn’t much suspense or feeling of imminent danger. The story itself was moderately interesting, but it seemed like they only had enough story for half an episode, and the other half was filler. Hopefully this will only be a minor blip in Season 5. Overall, this season is still off to a stronger start than Season 4, and it looks like the next episode will be more intense like the first two episodes of Season 5.

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  18. Elena says

    Pennsylvania’s backdrop and tree people somehow reminded me of Peter Benchley’s Amazon series. I loved the forest, it gives a breath of fresh air to the whole Observer’s Apocalypse world. And our lovebirds are again having discussions in green environment (I’m referring to gas station in Season 4). I liked this episode. It feels just like our good old Fringe, though I agree that tree people plot could get much better. Imagine them updating our Fringe team on the history of Observer’s invasion and even giving them some insights of how to fight them. That’s a good use for this library.

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  19. ML says

    Did anyone notice the date on the missing persons poster said 2033!?
    Observers invaded in 2015 so why does it say 2033?! That plus Olivia remembering details differently than others makes me wonder whether more is going on here

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    • JaniceG says

      I re-watched and didn’t see this. Are you talking about the “Wall” of missing posters that Olivia was referring to?

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      • ML says

        its the short flashback scene we get of Peter and Olivia. The poster clearly says 2033 which makes no sense. Unless there’s more going on here

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      • JaniceG says

        Ok, I see it now. So if that’s 2015-ish, why the 2033 date. Again like the coordinates is this just a filming mistake or intended.

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        • shidey17 says

          I think it had to be intentional. We’ve all discussed the idea of the entire show being one big time loop, some of the characters ending back up where they started, etc. It makes sense that it would be Olivia who is sensitive to this and who would sort of have memory lapses due to time slips (even though Walter is the one who should be redeemed). She was indeed the failsafe from Season 3 in Season 4, even though they didn’t mention it again. They have planted so much stuff, though, I just hope they wrap some of it up for once.

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  20. JaniceG says

    Overall, as a stand alone episode it was about a 6, but given we have so few episodes, this worries me. Sorry, but I care very little about new characters unless they are critical to the story. So every significant scene that doesn’t involve one of the main characters or the mythology is just a waste given we have so few left.

    Did anyone realize that Olivia receited the wrong numbers? Walter said (degrees/min/sec) 49/20/2 and she said 41/20/2. If this was on purpose, I’m not going to know what to think.

    The Olivia/Peter scene was great and all week I kept saying that that relationship can be mended by simple scenes that might be more physical in nature. What I was thinking was in line with the last Olivia/Etta scene. That simple gesture/touch from Oliva to Etta mends so much. It’s really something a mother would do with a child, even an adult child. That type of scene between Olivia and Peter would go really far as well.

    I alway had this feeling that Olivia would not feel she was a worthy of being mother or she just didn’t want to be a mother. Or maybe she would struggle being a mother and now she has missed out on all that experience. Go figure.

    The more I watch this show either re-watch or live, the more I really appreciate Josh Jackson. He’s a really, really good actor. Peter is the glue to this show, I truly believe that now. He’s got all the strong connections.

    And lastly, I so hoped to have one more dream sequence from Etta’s perspective. I really like those dreams at the beginning of the first two episodes.

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    • says

      I agree with you 100% about JJ’s acting. He has been wonderful. I think season 4 really demonstrated, for me, his importance to the show. He is definitely the glue binds the family together.

      In terms of the Peter/Olivia physical interaction. Don’t you think they have shown their love for each other (e.g., when Olivia was recovered from amber and she smiled when she saw Peter, or again when she woke up from her Etta nighmare and Peter was there to comfort her)?

      In any event, the best part of this episode were definitely Peter/Olivia scenes and the last scene in the car between Olivia and Etta.

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      • JaniceG says

        Yes, loved when they first saw each other. I was thinking they would move that relationship along with both simple, meaningful physical touches as well as the talks/flashbacks.

        I’ve been thinking about what I really want in the last 10 episodes. Each episode should be 1/4 flashback/history understanding, 1/4 current relationship building (between all characters including Etta) and 1/2 should focus on mythology/defeating the Observers.

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  21. epoh says

    I’m probably in the minority, but I really liked this episode, in fact I’m really enjoying the this season so far. I was very disappointed with season 4 (it had some great episodes and character moments, but overall didn’t quiet hit the mark for me) luckily season 5 seems to be living up to the promise shown in season 2/3. If only we lived in a universe where Fringe was watched by as many people as watch Big Bang Theory, I would love to see this chapter explored in more depth and not just 13 episodes

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  22. Surun Tunne says

    I’m enjoying S5 very much so far!
    the continuity of the emotional journey is great and I am pretty sure all of the “tape case episodes” will be connected in later episodes, so I don’t understand why some people think this episode was a filler…
    and we also understand now why olivia hesitated to tell peter that she is pregnant in the S4 finale.
    all 3 episodes were great so far and I am very exited about 504!

    kirk out

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    • KOs says

      I cannot represent others, but for myself, I like the show’s last seasons focus more on the mythology instead of the fungi infected father and son. I know their relationship is kind of a reflection of the Olivia/Etta relationship. And I know the writers were trying to do this long time ago but since mid course of the season 3, this type of story telling just felt to me too little, too explicit, too cheesy. I don’t know. I guess some people like mild flavor and I like it devilishly spicy. lol

      And I agree the emotion continuity of season 5 is great, which I could not find in a lot of the episodes in season 4.

      And back to your question, I think 5×03 is a filler because there seems no real progress on the main story arc. Again, just personal preference.

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      • Surun Tunne says

        I think this season will have have some amazing mythology episodes sooner or later, when we understand the “how to defeat the observers” plan better…I’m sure it will be very typical fringe-scifi!
        plus, I am 100% sure that we are going to see september again ;-)

        “I think 5×03 is a filler because there seems no real progress on the main story arc.”

        well…they have the rocks now! :D

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        • KOs says

          lol They have the rock now, and are there still more tapes to find? that will be a few episodes? lol We’ll see. I’d better not jump into conclusion and try to enjoy the ride.

          I still love Fringe. :)

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  23. Joey says

    It’s disappointing they are having more filler episodes considering we all know this is the last season. I’ve got the episode on my Hopper waiting to check out when I have time. I was working at DISH Friday night and I’ve tried to avoid recaps, but I couldn’t help myself. With PrimeTime Anytime on my Hopper Fringe is recorded automatically so I don’t have to remember to set a timer. I can only hope they limit these filler episodes to a minimum, but we are talking about J.J. Abrams so it could drag out until the last episode before we get any answers.

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  24. Ambered says

    I’m not sure how I feel about this episode as a whole. But I must say the Olivia-Peter scene was incredible. I felt Olivia’s heartache and her perspective was really in character. This is the Olivia we’ve loved in Fringe. There was tremor in her voice when she said the thing about finding their little girl dead which was absolutely powerful acting. And like a lot of Peter-Olivia scenes, it was bittersweet.

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  25. Darth Kid says

    Oh no, no, no, NO!
    I really, REALLY thought that we left episodes like The Recordist behind in season 4. Yeah, it does have a wonderful scene or too, and really nice character moments for Peter and Olivia, but otherwise, it’s slow, boring and just ridiculous. We don’t really learn anything new, and it’s also filled with boring, unnecesary moments.
    But first thing first, let’s not get ahead of ourselves yet.

    The tape is something that I have mixed feelings for. Yeah, Walter on drugs was a nice reminder of, well, most Fringe episode, but sadly, since this is not the only tape, that means that this filler scavange hunt is going to take longer than I would have enjoyed. And that doesn’t really make particularly happy.

    The tree people are something I most ceratinly don’t have mixed feeling about. They were stupid looking, silly, and just unnecesary. They didn’t really do anything for the mythology development, and it seemed that the only reason why they even appeared, was to give Fringe’s makup artists something to do.
    Also, the explanaition for the tree people was probably one of the funniest things in this season.
    ” If I had to theorize, it’s high levels of CO2 and other gases introduced into the atmosphere by the Observers.”
    Ok, first of all, CO2 poisoning (hypercapnia) has many unpleasant symptoms. I’m afraid that the growth of tree bark on the skin is not one of them.
    Second, if this is something done by the Observers, why this region? It doesn’t seem to be near some strategic point or a CO powerplant (if it was, I doubt that the tree folk would be allowed to stay there and everything would be more secured and guarded), and it also originates from a gold mine.
    Oh well, at least it wasn’t a fungus.

    Hm, Windmark didn’t really seem that eager to capture the fugitive. I guess saving his bald race from THE PLAN is secondary importance to him.
    And are Loyalists really stupid and incompetent or just lazy? Fringe team didn’t even had to pull an actional escape plan to save themselves, even though Loyalists practically had them in a trap.

    Another thing i don’t have mixed feelings about is the characted development – but this time in a good way. Sure, it would be nice to see some more Etta, but overall, The recordist did have some fantastic scenes, regarding Peter and Olivia (or at least, a fantastic scene). It was nice to see that insecured, vulnerable and a bit sad side of her, that’s usually hiding under the awsome Dunhamnator. However, I have to say, that while that Polivia scene was sweet and nice and all, it was something we’ve seen in many epiosdes before, like in Jacksonville, 6B, Brave New World etc.
    Now, when I said I like the character moments, I meant the major characters. We had that totaly boring scene where Edwin talks to his son about heroism and stuff. It was the weakest, the worst scene in the episode. Because to be honest, I don’t really care about some episodic tree guy’s death, or his relationship with his tree son we will never see again. I care about OUR team. Or rather, I care about characters we will actually see in future episodes. We don’t need character development for someone we will never see again. Scenes like that are just eating time writers should spend on more importnat things.

    So this could be a good episode if it would have more action, plot development, answers (or at least questions!), less tree people, more character moments, and generaly less mumbo jumbo.
    But it didn’t. So I’m afraid, this is far, FAR away from being a good episode. It’s so far from being a good episode, it earns the status of the worst episode in this season so far.

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