FRINGE: 5.01 Transilience Thought Unifier Model-11

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THE FRINGE TEAM EMBARKS ON ITS MOST IMPORTANT MISSION ON AN ALL-NEW “FRINGE” FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 28, ON FOX

The fifth and final season picks up from the ominous events of last season’s “Letters of Transit” episode, in which the year is 2036 and the overpowering Observers rule. The Fringe team – preserved in amber for 20 years – is now a rebel resistance team fighting for freedom. Peter, reunited with his now adult daughter, Etta, sets out to find out what happened to his wife and Etta’s mom – Olivia – as they start their mission to save the world from the Observers in the “Transilience Thought Unifier Model-11″ Season Five premiere episode airing Friday, Sept. 28 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR-501) (TV-14 V)

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth

Guest Cast: Georgina Haig as Henrietta/Etta

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  1. OtherBen says

    Hooboy. Olivia is Markham’s coffee table. That whole sequence started off funny, ended up sad, and was Fringe all the way through.

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  2. hsa says

    So worth the wait! So much information, so much action. I am really happy that Olivia has been freed and the team is together.

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      • Page 48 says

        “season 1 is still the best”

        Ha! I’ll need a few minutes with a thought unifier to sort that one out.

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        • Christine says

          I don’t know. Season 1 was fantastic, but season 3 was potentially some of the best television I’ve ever seen (though the jury may still be out on that statement until the end of this season).

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            • dte421 says

              Season 1 was the worst of the first three. The show stumbled around for 6 episodes with the quickly forgotten John Scott storyline (remember how he was dead but still alive? weird they weren’t able to use that tech in last season’s finale). It was great after those first episodes, but has NOTHING on seasons 2 and 3, especially 3.

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          • JaniceG says

            Completely agree. Season 3 was fantastic, great activing, great storyline, great writing. Loved 2, than 1, and lastly 4. I think I will appreciate 4 more as time goes by. However, this is a whole different Fringe, but still Fringe. Welcome back Fringe. You’ve been gone way too long.

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          • Lincless says

            Season 3 would have been nearly perfect if there was no awful Bellivia plotline but a more believable P/O reunion.
            They way it is, it’s “only” on-par with Season 2 for me.

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        • Roneo says

          I think that the storytelling from Jacksonville to Firefly was superb and except from a few episodes, the whole season 3 is amazing. And I see episodes before that as a quite good intro. Season 4 was strange. Not so brilliant at its whole, in spite of quite a few of awesome moments. But if season 5 goes on the path ot started last night, it’s gonna be a hell of a resolution.

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          • Starman says

            I agree completely with Jacksonville to Firefly. Although every season has had some great episodes, that run of episodes was the high point of the series for me. Based on last night’s episode, Season 5 has a lot of potential and I have hopes that this will be another memorable run of episodes.

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  3. meagn says

    That was an awesome episode. And the previews for the rest of the season look fantastic. I really like the addition of Etta, and I’m looking forward to seeing her relationship with her parents grow!

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  4. willg says

    That episode was great. The great emotion throughout played wonderfully. All great performances. I am so happy that Fringe is back. Loved Etta also. Georgina and the cast were so awesome. How about Walter calling Astrid Afro. That was so funny.

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    • Scott42444 says

      Yes, but am I the only one who was looking forward to a “all-there” Walter? I would gladly give up the nicknames to see a full version, with all of his brain tissue, of our “Good Walter”. It was impressive how take charge he was in “Letters of Transit” after they left Massive Dynamic. I hope they didn’t take that all away with Windmark’s torture.

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  5. SissySiri says

    That was worth the wait. Looks like it is going to be quite a roller-coaster ride of emotions until the end. Wow.

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  6. Zakray says

    Loved it, definitely need to re-watch. Having the whole team together feels like home.
    Now Peter can get some insight into what Walternate felt when he was taken.
    Liked Walter’s Afro comment.
    In the previews did they say the Harvard lab was ambered does that mean we can have some iota of hope that Gene has survived as well :)

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  7. Hatch says

    Just when I thought Walter had exhausted all of Astrid’s mistaken names, we get “Aspen” and “Afro” in the same episode.

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  8. KLA says

    Wow!!!!!!! That was epic. Well done Fringe. Full of emotion, heartbreak, and action. What more can you ask. I did not see the Peter/ Olivia Issues coming, even when they did not kiss after she came out of amber. I guess I was just happy to see her free. And Walter. Gosh, what do I say? Simply brilliant portrayal of one being tortured, but telepathically. Only 1 negative– too much makeup on Astrid

    So sad it is only 12 to go, but I’ll take what I can get!!!!!!!!!!

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  9. DeepRunner says

    Episode I is in the books. Excellent eppy.

    Where to start?….

    * The Opening. By having Walter narrate the opening, that is a major beacon that Walter is going to be H-U-G-E in the wrap-up.

    * Pistol-packin’ Peter Bishop. ‘Nuff said.

    * Olivia. Just good to have the Dunhamnator back.

    * Egg sticks. It sounds like punishment. Just sayin’…

    * Naugahyde. Nice. Go Astrid!

    * Amber Gypsies. How long until there is a rock group with that name?

    * The Thought-Unifier. Very cool piece of tech.

    * Windmark. Sorta reminds me of Otto Preminger as the Stalag 17 colonel.

    * Shippers. Wyman likes to yank a shipper’s chain. You knew, of course, in BNW when Peter said he never wanted to lose Olivia that he would, of course, lose Olivia. Divorced? Separated? Estranged? Really? P/O have traveled every last angle in their tortured relationship, and Wyman likes to prolong a shipper’s devoted agony.

    * Markham!!!!! Wow! A gun-toting slightly eerie lonely-heart who bought Ambered Olive, saying he loved her. Weird. They have twisted a guy we all liked and turned him into a pathetic recluse. OK he was a bit of a recluse to begin with, but that really was a step into the twilight zone.

    All in all a good eppy. How long til next Friday?

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    • Cheyenne says

      I was shocked Peter abandoned Olivia after they lost their child. Then I realized that’s just like Peter. Whenever he blames himself for something, he jump ship and run! Great eppy.

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      • FinChase says

        Well, it’s also very realistic, when you think about it. So many couples are unable to survive the loss of a child.

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        • DeepRunner says

          But it shows a great difference between Peter and Olivia and pretty strong similarity between Peter and Walter:

          * Olivia knew that the time had come to move on. If she did not, she would not be the Dunhamnator. Her daughter was gone, and like Alt Elizabeth in Subject 13, could probably see her husband ruining himself trying to find the child he loved

          * Peter (like Walter) mourned the loss of his only child and (like Walter) took a huge risk that will haunt him (and which he realizes he should not have done) by staying in Boston while Olive went to NYC. He (like Walternate) had not given up on finding his stolen child and (like Walter in the altered timeline) regretted the decision he made when he saw what it cost him

          So, the question for P/O is whether or not they will get back together. Wyman has often said that for love to work, the characters have to earn it through the journey. Well, 12 episodes remain of the Best. Sci-Fi. Show. EVER. The time for the trip home for these two is running out. If they do end up together, great. Shippers will be totally fine. If not, then the show will resolve in ways that will leave some happy, and others wanting.

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          • number six says

            You just described why they are so wrong for each other :D Maybe that’s why their relationship never seems to work. If their journey is to wake up and see the reality of this, that is, if they haven’t already, maybe there is a point to this break-up.

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            • DeepRunner says

              Yeah, but even Anna Torv has been pulling for the P/O relationship to have its “happily ever after.” So, just to crystallize the issue:

              Are Peter and Olivia more like Westley and Princess Butt-uh-Kwup, or are they more like Tony and Maria, so to speak?

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              • number six says

                If they don’t make sense together, they’re just a bad couple, it doesn’t matter what actress roots for them. Why show how awful they are for each other and then insist they are destiny? What kind of hell is that?

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                • DeepRunner says

                  I was just observing, Numero Seis…To me, it makes no difference. For whatever reason, the writers (and Wyman) have decided that this is how things for Peter and Olivia will be. And I imagine for shippers, it probably has worn thin.

                  Although Fringe has always been about The Big Three, it has been obvious that many folks were interested in The Big Two and whether or not the stars would ever align for them. Which goes to my previous question.

                  Now, on to next week’s eppy… :)

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      • Jim says

        He didn’t abandon Olivia. They both went into different directions. Peter wanted to keep searching for Etta, while Olivia wanted to continue working.

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    • AM says

      I watched the ep on Hulu+ today with subtitles and they said that Walternate was the narrator in the opening… Makes me wonder if we’ll see the Altverse again. I hope so!

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      • matt says

        yeah, and also it might not work cause theyre from different universes. I dont hope this happens but Josh Jackson said everyone ends up sort of where thye belong and I get a bad feeling that means each of them in their respective worlds and Etta dies saving the world or something cause she’s a product of both (which also might be why she has weird powers like not ebing able to be read, yaknow if it isnt cortexiphan)

        also, the whoel Markham thing… weird. why did they do that to that character? so weird….

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  10. _lost_stef_ says

    Wow i want to start off by saying how glad i am that we get a season5 and how glad im am that its finally here.

    That was such an awesome episode from start to finish! definitely worth 10 votes.

    How will Peter and Olivia fix their broken relationship if they even can? Olivia has always been the stronger one just like Peter suggested but I still cant believe he he left her to go to New York alone. I know he wanted to keep looking for Etta but so would have Olivia.

    The reunion scene between Etta and Olivia was so beautiful i had tears in my eyes. Olive’ 3 years 1 month and 5 days and she never went a day when she didnt think about her… man that was so sweet.

    this season is going to be awesome and i cant wait until it unfolds. man ive missed fringe so much and im glad that its finally back :)

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  11. J.P. says

    Well, Fringe is back… Better than ever? No. No, I doubt that Fringe will ever return to its former glory found in seasons 2 and 3, but that doesn’t mean I’ll stop watching it. This episode was quite… unique, I suppose. I’m not entirely sure how I feel about it. I don’t particularly think it was a bad episode, nor do I think it was a great episode, either. Slightly above average, but not great.

    I did truly enjoy much of the acting in this episode; like the Olivia-Etta reunion, Peter and Olivia trying to resolve their damaged relationship (Josh Jackson did a stellar job in that scene, I believe), and the ending with Walter. Some parts made me remember the old Fringe, while others made me just sit there and wonder to myself, “… what… ?”

    Really, all my complaints are rooted from that disaster we refer to as season 4. I’ll try my best to forget how dreadful it was, and to accept this season, but I can’t just yet. Season 4 became a new Fringe; new timeline, new characters, new backgrounds. It tried to act as a “love letter to the show”, but instead totally threw away the show and replaced it with something entirely different. It ended without any proper resolution to the whole “new timeline/old timeline” fiasco, which, at least for me, could ruin this season.

    This show still isn’t the Fringe I knew and loved. Only Olivia and Peter “remember” the first three seasons, and all the history formed between the characters there. I can’t accept this Walter-Peter relationship when episodes like “Grey Matters”, “The Man From the Other Side”, “Over There”, “The Firefly”, “6:02 AM EST”, and “The Day We Died” (to name only a few), which beautifully established that relationship, have been completely discarded and forgotten. And also, the alternate universe has been a primary staple of the show for four years, yet it’s suddenly been dropped in favor of this bizarre Observer storyline. It’s almost like never seeing or mentioning the Island again during Lost’s final season. If the three years of character development and plot progression that was horribly erased does not somehow come back, and the alternate universe is not seen or heard from again, I’m afraid to admit that I’ll end up hating this season.

    Furthermore, I really hope they answer all the questions in regards to the Observers. Even some of the smaller, irritating ones, like why the “science team” used months of the year as designations and seemed to be completely devoid of all emotion, yet these new commanding Observers have actual names (Windmark), and actually seem to have some emotions (or at least a sex drive, as seen in the beginning night club scene in “Letters of Transit”). And then the larger ones, like how the hell did humanity “evolve” into the Observers at all? How did we manage to become emotionless mind readers who can catch bullets with our bare hands while also bending and manipulating space and time…? Here’s hoping we get some answers…

    All in all, this season definately looks interesting, though I’m affraid it will hold some serious flaws. Still, it’s the final season and I’ll surely miss this show, so I’m wishing JH Wyman best of luck to wrap up not just the “story’, but the characters in a beautiful way.

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    • Ian S. says

      I totally agree with you on season 4. I mean, what the hell was that? I feel more at peace with the new timeline in this season though, because 3 years passed after season 4 to develop those relationships again (the same amount of time they developed in seasons 1-3). Everyone feels and acts as if they are from seasons 1-3. Also, all the Observers are still the same throughout the series, so it feels sort of cool to know Windmark was alive and in existence during seasons 1-3, probably completely aware of Walter and Peter (if Peter’s child is so important to their future). There just seems to be a lot of history and culture all mixed together this season (except the loss of the alternate universe is devastating).

      I don’t think Fringe can ever be as good as seasons 1-3 unless it was the original timeline. They will never reach where they were before simply because of that awful plot idea. They should have had Peter return to his real timeline then do the invasion. I don’t understand why we needed a new timeline at all! It just makes me so angry… It was an interesting idea and definitely one to do for maybe a 4 episode arc, possibly even an 8 episode arc to stick it in our heads, but Peter should have always returned to his original timeline. There was a time last september where I considered it ridiculous to have Peter in a new timeline for more than four episodes, and I couldn’t even comprehend the idea of him STAYING in that timeline. I hate the fact they chose to do that. Every time an emotional scene comes on now I feel something, then remember it’s the “new timeline”, and a bit of that scene is just taken away. I agree with you 100%.

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      • JM says

        I think season 5 will always suffer from being the follow on from season 4, but I think its without question that that episode was 200x better than the season 4 premiere :L

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    • meagn says

      I agree with many of your points. I bought the 4th season and plan on rewatching it, but I just DID NOT like most of it when I was watching it live. Rebooting the timeline or whatever they did, didn’t fly with me.I’ve only just accepted what happened in that season, didn’t like it, but I’ve accepted it cause I still love the show. I too miss the alternate universe.

      I’m just sad that this is the final season :(

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    • Jim says

      To answer some of your questions… The names like September, December etc. were code designations for the science team, like September explained in 4×14. Also I’m pretty sure the Observers did have emotions, but not for the humans. They were there to observe, and not interfere, because if they did they would 1) mess up the timeline and 2) start to care about the humans, like September did.

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      • J.P. says

        Jim, I don’t think you realized that I clearly understood the science team used names like September and December as code designations (“like why the “science team” used months of the year as designations”)… A part of me just wanted to know why, and what September’s real name actually is.

        As for the emotions, we have yet to be given a genuine answer from the show itself. Using what few hints the show has dropped, then the science team Observers had no emotions, or at least no sympathy or empathy for humans, viewing us as experiments to be studied. After September accidentally interfered, he began watching the Bishop family very closely, just as August watched that woman very closely. They developed the first signs of actual feelings after they realized humans were more important than they had originally believed.
        Either way, my point was that the Observers who would be the most likely to have emotions (the science team) appeared to be far more emotionless when compared to the Observers who shouldn’t have any emotions at all (the invaders). The invaders have been around humans for only 21 years, not countless centuries, and they use us as cattle, as a means to a destructive end, instead of studying us peacefully. Yet, these Observers who know very little about humanity aside from how to command us, have more emotional attachments with us than the science team who have been around us in much more intimate ways for millennia. Just a little too flimsy for my taste.

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    • ML says

      I don’t buy this season 4 was a disaster rant. Fringe is never a disaster. You may not agree with the direction the show went but to call it a disaster? Hyperbole, much?
      I mean it gave us great eps even if the the finale was unsatisfactory

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      • J.P. says

        All right, I’ll play. “Disaster” was a hyperbole, yes. Maybe words like “confusing” and “unfocused” are more apt descriptions to the overall season. And, I don’t hate the season just because of the “unsatisfactory finale”, I hate it because it was actually insulting to fans of the first three seasons. While you may feel season 4 gave us “great eps”, I respectfully disagree. I didn’t find a single episode in season 4 to be “great”, there were a handful that were good, a majority that were average or below average, and then the remainder that were terrible.

        You’re right, I didn’t at all agree with the direction of season 4, the same direction that has been carried into season 5. That’s why I’m worried I’ll come out of season 5 with that same bad taste in my mouth the fourth season gave me.

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  12. Ian S. says

    Great episode that gave the show a large scope feeling I haven’t felt since season 3!

    The Good: The episode was so fast paced, yet there was no plot contrivances! Everything flowed so naturally and we weren’t left to wonder why they went from point A to point B. All of the locations looked beautiful (the amber!!!) and gave the show the feeling of it having a huge scope (central park and the Observer controlled building especially). The acting from John Noble and Anna Torv (and Georgina Haig) was phenomenal. The episode was very interesting and the props looked extremely realistic (the thought unifier). I also really thought everyone played their roles very well; Windmark was extra creepy, Walter was extra “Walter”, Olivia was extra badass. Everything (plot wise) just worked so well! All the detail in the episode such as the carbon monoxide, egg sticks, the computers, the trains, all added so much to the episode. 2036 is excellently built.

    The Bad: I felt like Joshua Jackson wasn’t at his top acting abilities, but everyone else was, especially John Noble. I felt like he acted better in Letters of Transit then this (easy to compare because of the plot) but I’m hopeful he will get better. I was also hoping for more answers on the Observers, more specifically their science community: September, July, March, December, August, etc… where are any of them? I really want to know what happened to September. Those Observers are still the most interesting because of their jobs, I think we need more information on them (and also on the rogue observer in season 1). I’m worried we won’t get too many Observer answers, this can’t be a season about the Fringe team VS the Invaders.

    This episode felt a lot more intimate than Letters of Transit. With the original team back and no mention of Nina or Broyles, it was really just focused on our core 3, Astrid, and Etta. I think this was necessary, as we barely got any of that in Season 4, with Lincoln taking up so much screen time (I will never fully understand the need for that awful character being forced into the plot). It felt like a lot of the “fat” of Fringe has been burned off. Gone are the days of Lincoln Lee and unnecessary mythalones (Forced Perspective, Wallflower anyone?). However, the show might be a little anorexic now. We don’t have the alternate universe (from what Wyman has been saying in interviews about the bridge closing, it sounds like it ain’t opening), we don’t have September (something happened to him), and we don’t have “Fringe events”.

    It feels like a new show, but at the same time its core is still Fringe. Transilience brought an excellent balance between huge-scope plot while keeping the emotional ties between the characters real and heartbreaking. The past two Observer episodes (Transit and Transilience) have really just been about characters running around and putting the pieces into play, and hopefully that’s how they should feel. Now it looks like season 5 has been completely properly set up, so I hope there is a lot more substance in the coming episodes (more dialogue between characters about the past and present, more answers, more acknowledgements, and more about the Observers in 2609).

    Season 5 has been wonderfully set up, having Transilience leave us with a beautiful ending acknowledging hope in the Observer-filled dystopian future. I think I still like Letters of Transit more, because it mixed the past (Massive Dynamic, Nina Sharp) with what’s happening now. Both are brilliant, original episodes though.

    Letters of Transit – 9/10
    Transilience Thought Unifier Model-11 – 8.5/10

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    • jd55 says

      I gave 5.01 a 9!! I agree with the others above that due to a compressed 13 eppy season we are in for a hell of a rollercoaster ride with no room for stand-alones. The ending was one of the things that really stuck with me, and just for fun I decided to see how long I’d have to read before it was mentioned and here I am!! Really was starting to think I’d be the first even though I waited until Sat. AM to sign in. Remember when Windmark was through torturing poor Walter and extracting Septmber’s carefully hidden plans to defeat the observers, he then sneered at Walter’s claim to use music to find hope, “There is no hope Walter!”, “Plants don’t grow on scorched earth!”? Flash forward to the final scene where Walter is trying to find some hope with the very music Windmark belittled and what does Walter’s teary eye find amid all the scorched earth and rubble but a bright yellow dandilion coming up strong right out of the asphalt!! If that isn’t an indicator that we should be hopeful for P/O’s relationship, converting that awful carbon monoxide machine back into Central Park, and generally handing the Observer’s their ass worldwide then I don’t know what is. Am I reading too much into it? Maybe so, but damn if it doesn’t feel like hope is alive and well for the fringe team!!

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  13. FreeRadical says

    Does anyone else thinks that there is something more to Etta thinking she was four when she last saw her parents when she was really “3 years 1 month and 5 days” old? I am so excited to see more of her story, i.e. did the observers really kidnap her? Who raised her and why the observers can’t read her mind?

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    • jd55 says

      And since the Observers can’t read her mind…wouldn’t that make her a great candidate to hold September’s scrambled plans for defeating the Observers? With something THIS important would September really put the whole worlds future into Walter’s brain without having a Plan B, especially given Walter’s history of having a seriously flawed ability to access his own memories? Just sayin’….

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  14. mlj102 says

    I don’t know if I’d realized how much I’d missed Fringe until it returned tonight. I thought this was a brilliant episode that set the stage for what looks to be a very promising final season. Here are some of my thoughts:

    Biggest surprise: Markham! I had not expected him to show up, yet it was a very natural sort of development. If not a bit creepy. I don’t know, I think the observers got to him or something, ’cause he was rather out of his mind. It’s one thing for him to admit to having a crush on Olivia, but it’s a completely different matter for him to use her block of amber as a coffee table and to maintain this fantasy that he would be her “Prince Charming”. Really? I get that it was supposed to be funny, but it was over the top, even for Markham. I was excited when it was shown that he was the one who had bought Olivia, and I thought his reaction when Peter knocked on his door was amusing and very typical Markham, but his whole speech as he protested Peter coming to take her back was just strange. Too strange for my preferences. But still a neat way to incorporate Markham into the story.

    Best moment: Olivia and Etta’s reunion. I thought it was a perfect moment. The reactions from both of them were just what you would expect. A reunion like that is tricky, especially since they’ve already shown the reunion between Peter and Etta. They had to be careful to give it the attention it deserved without making it over the top and cheesy, or an exact duplicate of Peter’s reunion with Etta. It was very touching. Olivia’s reaction was really sweet, and it was obvious she couldn’t believe what she was seeing, unable to take her eyes off Etta, her deep love for her daughter obviously apparent, despite the years since they’d last been together… It was everything I’d hoped that scene would be and then some.

    Most disappointing moment: Olivia was in amber all this time. Though I give them credit for giving it a reasonable explanation with that being their plan to escape the observers, it was too predictable. I’ve said all along that I didn’t want her to have been in amber all this time because that was just a copy of Letters of Transit and the rest of the team being found in amber. I had hoped they would have a different explanation for where Olivia had been, something to give a new scenario and to add more depth to the story. Instead, it just felt like the easy way out, having her in amber, too. They did a good job with it, I’d just been hoping for something more.

    Most inconsistent moment: Peter and Olivia’s implied separation after Etta was missing. I understand the idea that losing a child is an extremely difficult experience and it’s hard for a couple to get through a challenge like that. But it seems to me that major events like that either drive people apart or bring them closer together. With everything Peter and Olivia have been through, I would have expected they would have fallen in the category of it helping them grow closer together as they help each other cope with the loss. It seemed particularly unrealistic given all of Peter’s assurances to Olivia last season that he was there for her, he’d never let her go, they’d face whatever happens together, etc, yet when their daughter goes missing, he basically abandons her because he’s overcome with grief. I get that he was determined to find his daughter, but it seems he and Olivia would have been there for each other during that time. I can’t imagine that after losing his daughter, he would allow himself to lose the woman he loves as well. I understand how it could happen to many people, but it doesn’t seem reasonable for it to have happened that way for Peter and Olivia.

    Favorite line: When Peter commented, “It’s like a beautiful dream within a nightmare.” I just thought this was such a great way to describe the current circumstances they found themselves in. Being reunited with Etta must truly have been like a dream come true – pure happiness. And yet all around them the world was in an awful predicament. Conditions were far from ideal. What a unique contrast of such joy you can hardly believe it to be true, yet simultaneously so awful you wish it wasn’t true.

    I realize I haven’t really mentioned Walter in any of these comments, so I feel the need to point out that I loved his role in this episode as well. I’ll admit I’m a little disappointed that it’s kind of recycling stories by once again making him the man with the answers, yet unable to access those answers. But it makes sense and I’m certainly intrigued and I can see how figuring out what the plan was will be the goal over the course of the season. It’s a reasonable way to make their journey something that will take longer than one or two episodes. Otherwise it would be unreasonable why they haven’t yet confronted and overcome the observer threat. I’m looking forward to seeing their plan to take over the world again and how it unfolds and comes together. And I loved Walter’s journey of finding hope in a very hopeless situation. The conversation with Windmark and the subsequent ending scene was really beautifully written and complemented the events of the episode and the tone for the season really well.

    Additionally, I loved how they went out of their way to give each of the characters token moments together. It never felt like one character was the overwhelming focus or that one relationship was favored above another. They were all given equal, significant focus. Peter and Olivia, Olivia and Etta, Walter and Etta, Walter and Olivia, Peter and Etta, Walter and Peter, Astrid and Walter… They all had an opportunity to be highlighted and developed and explored and I really appreciated that.

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    • says

      Ohh Markham, the human version of a garden gnome. !!!
      Adding ambered Olivia to his house of curiousities, knick-knacks and books was a bit creepy. Reminded me of Terrance Stamp in The Collector. Lol !

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  15. number six says

    Well, there goes Fringe The Sequel. Still better than Fringe The Reboot. Definitely a much stronger start than S4, although I have some issues with the Observers being: evil, all powerful and inept when it’s convenient (you know that will come). Why they decide to invade at that certain point, why they destroy the environment, when that’s exactly what made their lives in 2600 impossible… so much I have to suspend my belief on. However, it was entertaining and the premise is more promising than the dire S4.

    “Resistance is futile”, Olivia being described as being in her mid 20s (I almost fell of my chair)… I can’t take this show seriously, can I?

    “And in the grief, we weren’t able to, or were incapable of, being what we needed for each other” horrible delivery, Anna Torv, just horrible! Who writes this stuff though?

    Peter crying… Ugh! If Josh had been playing any other character, I would have loved it, but that’s not Peter. Peter is not like that, he has never been, why don’t they write for the characters, instead of forcing emotional scenes where they don’t belong? They were in the middle of a awfully written expository scene. It wasn’t the right time (or the character) to shove in tears!

    Walter was getting on my nerves, until Bad Baldy got him. That man is creepy, but he made me feel a little sorry for a character I hadn’t anything for in a year.

    I loved Georgina Haig, she was amazing. I liked the reunion with Olivia, her “mama” and her tears (well placed this time, well done, writers!) were heartbreaking. I’m not so sure about Olivia’s oddly robotic delivery of the years months and days though.

    Some acting hits and misses by everyone, weak writing, some good action, nice dystopian setting, too easy rescues and too expository.

    7/10

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    • Kamala says

      I agree with every word in this review (by number six)… In aspect of emotional showing by both AT and JJ in that scene, they were awkward to watch, but primarily because it’s unexpected and so out of characters building in the last four season. But maybe realistic – after all, they are just human, and full of flaws. And I just wanted to hug Peter after his burst of tears (fine acting), and is mystery to me why Olivia didn’t.

      Etta is great addition to Bishop family and GH is perfect creature as daughter of our main duo. I suspect she will in coming episodes prove as great mixture of Dunham-Bishop bloodine.

      Good episode, in overall.

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      • JM says

        I thought the scene was pretty good, but was surprised at how little reaction Olivia showed to what Peter was saying, I do admit to cringing at the line “perfect little soul that we made” writing could have been better, but that being said its still a solid improvement over season 3 angst.

        In regards to it being out of Peter’s character I agree but think that having a child may have changed him, especially after losing her.

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          • Amanda says

            Olivia and Peter have the same age, in season 3 they were 32, so season 4, 33. When Etta has born, 34, when she was taken, 37. We don’t know how long passed between the invasion and the whole ambar part, so, at last 37 years old, Peter and Olivia.

            So, really, late 30s. The actors are 34, both of them.

            BUT, she was on ambar, you cant’ really see much of ageing, so she could look in her 20s.

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          • DeepRunner says

            I have to say that that scene made me think for a brief instance that it was Peter’s “Pacey and Joey moment.” Joshua Jackson did a good job in the scene. Anna Torv did well, if understated. The writers did lay on the schmaltz, though.

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      • mlj102 says

        Joining in on the discussion of the scene between Peter and Olivia and the emotion shown by each one and the quality of the acting, I have to say I felt Anna Torv did a great job in that scene while Josh Jackson left much to be desired.

        I’ve noticed a lot of people have praised Josh and his acting in that scene, but I can’t agree. The first half of it was fine, but the moment where he started to cry, just screamed “acting” to me and completely took me out of the moment. When he puts his hand up to his eyes and says “And in the state of mind that I was in, that meant at all costs.” it felt so hollow and like it was nothing more than reciting lines from a script. It really bothered me. I didn’t think there was anything wrong with the character crying in that moment, but the acting felt too much like acting, which made it seem superficial and unbelievable. I’m not criticizing Josh as an actor, so please, no one get mad at me, I’m just pointing out that in that particular scene, the acting didn’t work for me.

        Anna Torv, on the other hand, was much more composed and serious, it’s true, but her reactions fit with the character. It seems implied that they had been separated for awhile, which suggests that while it’s still a sensitive subject for her, she’d had time to come to grips with the reality of it. Peter made his choice, and that hurt her. But what could she do? Her reactions to me showed that she felt the significance of them discussing an unwelcome subject, but one that needed to be addressed. Anna Torv is an actress that excels in conveying a lot through her facial expressions and the subtle movements or gestures, and I noticed that throughout this scene – when she would look at him, when she would look away, when she would close her eyes for a moment, the way she held her hands – it all added a lot to convey how she was feeling during that conversation. She seemed a bit bitter, and more than a little heartbroken, but trying to keep it all together. I understand how Olivia would respond in that way in this instance and Anna Torv’s acting conveyed that, so I had no problem with how she handled that scene.

        When you think about it, this was a really significant scene for the two characters. They haven’t talked since they went their separate ways. They weren’t even sure they’d see each other again. So to be sitting there together, discussing what happened, while obviously still having feelings for each other, was a big deal and they had to find a way to convey that in the things that were said and the way they acted. Overall, a good scene, but some of Josh’s acting left it lacking for me.

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          • number six says

            Same here. For me it has always been the other way around. Anna Torv’s acting has taken me out of the moment many times in the past. This wasn’t the scene, where her acting bothered me, though. The dialog was appalling and there was no way to improve that. It also makes sense that Olivia is stilted and standoffish with Peter.

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        • Fringe Fan says

          @mlf102: Like JM said, I disagree, but I completely respect your opinion and always appreciate your feedback on this message board. :)

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    • runthegamut says

      The late 20′s line was ridiculous. Mid 30′s and she looked it. She really looked like she’d aged from the end of season 4.

      I actually liked Peter crying. It was understated, just the right amount. But it would have worked better I think if Olivia had shown somewhat equal emotion. And side note, I couldn’t help but wonder where Astrid was during that scene. A discreet distance away trying to look unobtrusive?

      The too-easy rescues will get old, no doubt. I was kind of amazed how vulnerable the Observers seemed to ordinary weapons.

      Still, overall, I’m encouraged. Looking forward to more.

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      • Ben says

        I assumed the weapons they used to take down the Observers would’ve been similar to the rapid-firing gun used by Jessica Holt against September in the season 4 finale, which wouldn’t exactly be considered an ‘ordinary weapon’, could be wrong though.

        I agree about the easy escapes though, to be fair there is no way they could have predicted two corpses rising up and attacking them, but in future I want to see more efficient and believable Observer security, i.e. no Walternate D.O.D season 3 moments…

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    • Tabularasa says

      I’m gonna disagree on Peter crying. While he has never been like that, consider what he’s been through. He lost his daughter and blamed himself for what happened. His marriage fell apart and the world was on the brink of destruction from the observers. He never thought he was going to see his wife or his daughter again and, just like Peter, he puts all the blame on himself. I thought it was realistic and very much in character considering what happened.

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  16. Fleshking says

    The captions with Walter reading the intro said (Walternate). I thought that was funny. It’s funny how in the previous episode when he got his brain back he was doing the Walternate behavioral mannerisms….the sneering, the cold calculated talking. In this episode, other than the pants comment….he seemed like his old holes in the brain self. Now with what Windmark did, who the fk knows how bad he’s damaged.

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  17. _lost_stef_ says

    I need the new episode now!!! im already having withdrawal symptons!! Love Georgina Haig she makes such a bAMF ETTA!!!

    THE DUNHAMNATOR AND ETTANATOR ARE GONNA KICK SOME ASS THIS SEASON!!

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  18. ML says

    I hope we see lots of Etta-Liv-Peter scenes! I would totally love a bit storytelling-time à la “Did we ever tell you about the time, when Mommy got a bullet in her head and Grandpa brought her back from the dead?” :) :)

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    • ML says

      What I can’t quite understand is why the Bishop family broke apart over the loss of Etta! I think it made total sense that two Bishops were working on saving the world and one Bishop was looking for Etta! I mean you have to keep the greater good in mind, but it’s still your child, you can’t just stop looking for her.

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  19. DeepRunner says

    Some other thoughts about the episode:

    * Etta and the memorial for the dead guy. She takes a shot of vodka in respect for whatever this person meant to the resistance and then moves on.

    * Peter and Olivia. Even though they are not together (for now), the hug and embrace after Olive was disenambered (is that a word?) was a brief money shot for the shippers. Plus the scene at the fence line. Mending fences, maybe?

    * Peter and Etta. “Kiddo, come meet your mom.”

    * Olive and Etta. The. perfect. money. shot.

    * Grandpa Walter and Etta reliving memories. Another. perfect. money. shot.

    * Walter in the black market, talking with the geisha, remembering when he was in Japan. She was…mmm…cool to the idea of hooking-up with Walter

    * Astrid, Afro, Aspen. A! A! A! What begins with A? I wanna see just how many variations they can come up with before this baker’s dozen season is over.

    * The soldier with the crush on Etta. Nothing quite says unrequited love like a bullet to the brain.

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    • says

      DP – you hit it on the head on all of your points. As a shipper who likes to see the conflict between lovers, I think their situation makes sense.

      I love the episode and look forward to the rest of the season. OOps . . . one more thing: I don’t think Joshua Jackson gets the cudos he deserves. He has been wonderful throughout the series, even when they give him very little to work with. His maturation over the years has been wonderful to see and it’s because of JJ’s acting ability.

      That’s all I got . . . I look forward to dialoguing with everyone this season. I have missed our time together. :)

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      • DeepRunner says

        Scully8, good to have you Back on The Blog.

        What is striking about the state of P/O is that “no one wants to find [Olivia] more than” Peter. Even though they have at least separated (I am not sure they got a divorce, that would be too final), when they were together on-screen you could tell that they still loved each other. The fence scene was a little thick, but Peter’s regret and Olive’s sadness, and the lack of a bitter shouting match between them, suggests that the door is open more than a crack for them to reconcile.

        So, I would guess at some point, like last season, and Season 3, and Season 2, the writers will put them together. One. More. Time. And then rip them apart. One. More. Time. Because that is, as far as P/O go, The Pattern. And that is The Pattern Wyman et al are comfortable with.

        I think all the cast are undervalued. No reason John Noble should not have an Emmy. His 867 trillion versions of Walter/Walternate bear record to his abilities. But because Fringe is sci-fi, he gets overlooked. Anna Torv has always done well as Olivia/Fauxlivia, but because Fringe is a niche show, not enough people see her work. Joshua Jackson has done well as Peter, but I wonder if people see Peter as a grown-up version of Pacey. His time as Peter has been steady and steadily progressing from guy with a shady past to (sort of) responsible citizen.

        But this whole ensemble cast is excellent, and it will be sad when the curtain finally closes on the show. Here’s hoping they all find The Next Big Thing for each of them.

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  20. Roneo says

    Maybe English is not my native language, and so I can hardly appreciate or fail to appreciate certain nuances, but I found the episode beautiful, emotional, bright, complex, very well played, directed and produced.
    Although I often speculate about what will happen in the series I usually have no preconceived ideas of what should happen or how things ought to be.
    With that I avoid disappoint or angry. It may also be that my level of demand is not too high. At the end of the day, I see Fringe to have a good time, not to add problems to life, which has enough on its own.
    I do ask for consistency to story and characters, but that, in this episode at least, I have not missed it.
    I may also have thought that the reaction of Peter and Olivia to the loss of Etta would have been to become more attached, not to separate. But I guess the writers still have issues to deal with these two, and well, that’s the story they have created. And I have not found it out of character. With the spoilers I had read I was afraid they were gonna go way too convoluted. But I think they have done very well. Balance between angst and hope. And I’ve got thrilled at the scene of the fence, and Etta and Olivia’s reunion, and Walter’s questioning, and the last scene just left me shaking. Take that apocalyptic future.

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    • SissySiri says

      Awesome thread Roneo. :-)

      I particularly like the part where you say you *see Fringe to have a good time, not to add problems to life, which has enough on its own.*

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  21. Tash says

    Ahaa loved this episode!!!
    I think this season will make up for the ‘ehhhh’ of season 4 (:
    I want to know more about what happened to Broyles, Nina, Simon and september though (:
    Me thinks this will be a epic season!(:

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    • SissySiri says

      Didn’t someone show Etta that Simon is still in the Amber next to William Bell and said he was working with the Observers? It could have been in the promo’s for next week. I will have to re-watch, but that would be a good way to write Simon out of the show.

      Me thinks, he is in Amber perpetuity. ;-)

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      • Tash says

        I don’t think they said he was working with the observers.
        I thought he worked in fringe division but also as part of the resistance so when that loyalist guy was telling etta about him they had just found out that he was part of the resistance or something.
        Anyway, i doubt they would give up on him without a fight (:

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        • SissySiri says

          Tash, you are right. Oops, I re-watched and they said Simon was working with the resistance.

          Maybe we will see him again.

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  22. Lincless says

    I fear that’s (just like Season 4) not “my” Fringe anymore.

    Soul and heart of the show for me were Walter’s guilt and relationship with Peter and Olivia’s simultanous investigation of the events and circumstances surrounding Walter’s deeds.
    Now, sorry shippers, it’s a show that circles endlessly around a pseudo-dramatic “love” which compeltely ruined at least one of the involved characters with a daughter who looks like the younger sister and an “observer invasion” which is devoid of anything that made the REAL observers interesting in the first place.

    And I think Wyman is just a terrible writer on his own, he needs a lead. Others mentionied it, it’s just plain awful when a showrunner can’t come up with a lofical age for his lead.
    “mid-twnties”…my god, Olivia joined the FBI with 14 then a became “special agent” with 18 or what???? sorry, but that’s downright embarrassing for a storyteller.

    Now, that was harsh but I have to face the realization that the Fringe I loved definately died in the summer of 2011 after Season 3.

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    • JM says

      The age thing could be explained by the amber fairies estimating her age to be late twenties and although anna torv clearly does not look that young, it could be an explanation.

      Plus Fringe has already stated Olivia’s age in a season 3 episode as 32, I believe in the one where she collapses when she is bellivia and they rush her into hospital, so she is actually Torv’s real age of 34/35 in the show

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      • Lincless says

        Don’t know, I thought there were age inconsistencies before wit Olivia…?
        Btw, Georgina Haig definately outperformed Anna Torv in this episode. Haig was amazing. What happened to Anna Torv???

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        • JM says

          Georgina Haig is a good actress no doubt, amazing casting looks a lot like anna torv and a bit like josh jackson. Miracle find.

          In regards to Anna Torv, from the beginning of season 4 she has looked completely and utterly bored to me, she’s still enthusiastic in every interview I see, but there is something definitely different

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          • JM says

            Sorry, I forgot to say; I don’t think their have been any age consistencies with Olivia? please correct if i’m wrong but I always thought they were just same age as their real life counterparts

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            • Lincless says

              I’m not sure, but I always thought her age or even birth date was revealed during Season 1 (I could think it was by Jones’ man in Bound) and a contradictory age was mentioned in Season 3 (Stowaway) and through AltLivia’s Show Me Card.

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          • says

            I don’t know if Anna Torv is bored. I think she may have been so into playing Altlivia that she’s lost her way in terms of our Olivia. I know in an interview she said she’s happy to have this season to soley concentrate on our Olivia. So, it might just be a combination of re-ajusting to playing Olivia only and the let down of not being able to play altliv. Anna has stated many times that she ‘LOVED’ playing Altliv and that Olivia is such a serious character–the world on her shoulders. I see what you mean, but I just Anna delivers 98.9% of the time, even when the writing is suspect which isn’t often. Loved this episode after a second watch. So looking forward to the rest of the season. Just sayin .. .

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          • ML says

            While I didn’t have major problems with Haig, she does lack a certain gravitas. I think the show was really missing the Lost actor they had in LOT to bring some credibility to the world

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        • number six says

          Georgina Haig was the one who sold the reunion between mother and daughter. Such beautiful acting! Anna Torv was hit and miss, but I’m looking at it from the perspective that she was trying to convey a very conflicted Olivia. Still, not a realistic reaction from a mother.

          John Noble was magnificent in his two big scenes, but he was slightly off in the rest, which isn’t surprising seeing how he was in poor health. It makes his performance in the interrogation scene all the more impressive.

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          • says

            That scene with Windmark must have been both psychological and emotionally draining for Walter.
            I think that John Noble immersed himself in his character so much that it resulted in him taking a short leave of absence, to recharge his batteries and catch up on sleep.

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          • ML says

            Of course it’s realistic! The last time she saw Etta, her little girl was 3 years old and suddenly a grown woman stands in front of her. I would need some time to process too!

            I think Anna Torv showed us: 1. She was stunned, that Etta was really here. 2. She’s still stunned but also happy and tells her that she’s beautiful…and then comes the regret that she missed so much in her daughter’s life!

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            • _lost_stef_ says

              Agree ML… it was realistic. Olivia is trapped in Amber for 20+ years and when she comes out she sees the Adult version of her daughter who by the way was missing the last time she was around so of course it is a shock to see her.

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              • says

                You’re comment made me think of Walter seeing the adult version of Peter in season 4. Although his reaction was totally different (my gosh, he saw his son die . . .twice?), it still registered the same as Olivia seeing Etta– a combination of ‘I can’t believe it and happiness’. I just love these guys.

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        • ML says

          Anna played it as Olivia would react. Their reunion for example. Haig played it like the little girl finding her mommy with the tears. She really seemed like a little girl in that scene. Anna played it like Olivia would react. Rather than go for the disbelief and joy, Anna plays it as something akin to the blackest despair. Like something in her just shuts down with grief at the lost years as soon as she lays eyes on her daughter. Very effective. I like that it was a different reaction to how Peter reacted.

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  23. MISSNETT says

    I can understand Peter’s and Olivia’s separation. Doesn’t mean I like it. We don’t know how much time passed from when Etta was taken and the team ambered themselves. I would assume not much. If their grief was fresh I could see Peter and Olivia falling back into old habits to cope. Olivia would pull into herself and internalize her grief. She would channel that grief into anger and push herself to save the world just like she did with John in the first season. Peter did the one thing I’m sure he never expected. He is more like Walter then he ever thought. He was looking to do anything to get his child back. And that included the cost of his relationship with Olivia. He went back to in a way to only thinking of himself, kind of like he was at the beginning. I think they will find their way back to each other now that they have Etta back and see that they are better together then apart.

    Great episode!! Excited but sad to see this story unfold. I will miss this show so much when it’s over!

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    • willg says

      Perfect comments Missnett. The behavior and the separation make perfect sense. I also loved Josh and Anna’s acting in this. Yea a few lines were kind of off but all in all I thought they were amazing, especially Torv. I am loving this season already.

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      • shidey17 says

        Totally agree. I thought the acting was spot-on….a few of the lines were poorly written and that’s what took me out of it. That, and I think the scene needed a few more moments to establish before the dialogue started.

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    • says

      Nicely stated. I never made the connection of going back to old habits. You are exactly right.

      Olivia channels anger which translate into work and saving the world. Peter, is a product of, let’s face it, a father who selfishly saved his son without regard for how it would affect the universe. As a result, Peter was only concerned about saving his child at the expense of all else. As stated, it could also be seen as a selfish act. I think that Olivia was correct when she said they just weren’t able or capable of giving each other the right kind of support.

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      • bdp says

        I’m in the same camp. I think it’s actually completely understandable how their relationship turned out after they lost Etta. Olivia has always been someone who dives into her work in order to channel her grief and she outright said she never stopped thinking about Etta. Just because she went back to work to fight the greater fight doesn’t mean she gave up on ever seeing Etta again, she just prioritized. And while Peter hates to admit it, he’s always been very much like Walter, a fact that Astrid has pointed out numerous times dating all the way back to season 1. He would absolutely take all the blame for everything that happened and therefore not be able to focus on anything other than getting Etta back.

        I think the creative team handled the situation for these two really well. And I thought the scene between Olivia and Peter was fantastic. I really have no doubt they’ll reconcile what happened. And I think Olivia even pretty much stated that, without actually directing saying it. To me her line about it simply being that they couldn’t be what they needed each other to be in their time of grief and that was all it was, comes off as her saying that just because what happened, happened, it didn’t mean that they didn’t love each other anymore. They just hit a really bad point in their life and now they have the chance to fix it.

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  24. says

    i noticed that the end of this episode was kind of jarring again, like letters of transit. i wonder if the abrupt ending will be a staple trait of the 2036 canon.

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    • shidey17 says

      I was wondering the same thing. Wyman has said the entire season is a 13-part film so I wonder if they’re finishing up each ep like this so in the end if you were to watch them all together marathon-style they would jive into one big long film with no wrap up at the end of any episode.

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  25. Rae says

    Holy F***!

    Where to begin with the incredibleness that was this season’s premiere….

    Petah, petah, petah, you and your dreams, always filled with things like danger and parks and the unspoken promise of ‘always and forever’. Clearly, in your dreams you and the baby’s mama shared more then little Etta, but it was kept a mystery to us just where and when you two ditched the wedding bands. Had you sold them twenty years ago for commodities? Toiletries? A passage into New York, perhaps? Or, as your dreamland ‘visions’ have come to represent, was you mind merely playing out your subconscious desires, yet again?….

    All I can say is, it sunk in… hard, the moment the underlying tension between you and the (maybe) Mrs. was addressed, and might I say, rather beautifully, in your little bridge seen.

    Interesting parallel isn’t it, between what you’ve done and what your father did decades before?; sacrificing your relationship for the fate of your child, unable to say what needed to be said, to do what needed to be done to keep alive the very love that created your offspring. It’s understandable, really, that you’d felt as though you let down your kiddo and the love of your life. In your own mind, you couldn’t protect the very thing you swore to keep together at all costs, and silently, and alone, you and your Olivia were ripped apart by consequence, by misery, and the stubborn personality trait you both share where you suffer independently, and internally, afraid to let anyone know the ten-million degrees of your pain.

    So once again, you two have hit the proverbial wall you can’t seem to get over. In moments of raw emotion, you both have a knack for choosing the easy way out. Or so you think. Funny too, in your own ways, you twos have admitted in the past you’re not good at this ‘love’ thing. Inherently, the aforementioned squeezes into that “sub par at communicating my love box“, doesn’t it? Isn’t it ironic though, that being good at love has no bearing over being ‘in’ love.

    You should see the way you two still look at each other. Really, you can’t fool us for a second, this angst card isn’t going to hold shitza over the way you lovebirds OBVIOUSLY still feel about each other, and Petah, your ‘…I thought I’d never see you again’ would have had us smiling in predictability if Walter’s ‘sans pant’s’ moments hadn’t overwhelmed our nostalgia spectrum. If you didn’t know already, you have a penchant for doubting you’ll get your Olive back no matter what world or universe or f***ed up dystopia you’re living in.

    Ten bucks says I-might-be-Mrs.-Bishop caves first, given as how you have a proclivity for giving her space in her times of emotional quandary and indecision. I’m throwing an “I miss you, Peter,” into the betting pot, and maybe an “I miss us,”, too. Then of course it’s after you both realize, as you always do, that your water always flows back under the bridge of “you belong with me“, that it’ll be a hop, skip and a jump into the vacated backroom of that safe house you’re bunking in. And, I know, I can’t speak for all shippers when I say this ,but….a little more sweet, sweet, WTW consummation never hurt our eyes…or the tingly ’feel good’ parts of our brains.

    Might I just add here, how wonderful it was, to see the relationship between father, mother and child was still very much a percolating love-bond that transcends Fringe science and complication and two amber-ized decades. Anna, really, you couldn’t have played the introductory scene better if Sally Field herself had had your role. Good good, I was so close to tears when you laid eyes on your Henrietta that everything started to blur in a good way. And that she called you “Mama”, guh, that tasted so good. Not the generic ‘Hi’ or “Mom’, or “Do you remember me?”, but a more intimate ‘Mama’ that clearly called back to the before-years when all of you had a perfect little family in the kind of normal life you made for yourself despite the petrie-dish monsters you chased with a gun and a lab.

    And Peter, you’re so good at this daddy thing, I mean, I knew you would be, but hot damn, I can see in your face the lengths you’d go for your baby girl, and that she’s a complete stranger means nothing to you now, because at the end of the day, she’s still that beautiful soul that you and The Dunhamator created. I can read in your eyes that no matter what, you love her with all that you’ve got, just like her mommy does…*sigh*. And there’s so much of both of you in her that I could die from the perfect-ness. Much love to this triad of Bishops. I’m gonna love this very, very much.

    All the romantic spew aside, Walter’s “Letter’s of Transit” brain-surgery has integrated itself better then I’d have anticipated. Judging, by the brisk tone he used with Peter at the beginning, a more arbitrary personality hinges just below his surface, but the affect-less traits I expected him to have were a no show. It goes without saying this was immensely apparent in his ‘oh so cute’ moment with his grandbaby inside the gypsy city. Oh Walter, how glad I am that those big-bad brain cells haven’t stopped you from still being the soft and squishy reminiscent you that I fell in love with five years ago. I did fear so…

    But your poor, poor torture scene, guh, that killed me. Why? Why is your mind always getting raped and pillaged by big-badies? And it kills me, every time, to see the fight you put up because you know all your smarts harbor the fate of mankind in their cohesiveness. And it’s gonna kill you, I know, when they come after Etta and you realize it’s because you led them to her. Why must you go through this kind of suffering every season? It’s not fair….not fair, that once again, you have something to hang your guilt on, your contrition, and once again, it hits too damn close to home. God, this is gonna kill me.

    Speaking before of gypsy’s…Ahh! MARKHAM! God, why did it feel so good to see you as the buyer? If the show runner’s keep throwing returning characters our way like they’ve done you, I can’t stress enough how this is bound to be the best season yet. And why, oh why did your exclamation of ‘You haven’t aged! Why haven’t you aged?” sound so continuity-sweet to my ears?

    And Peter with a gun, no, with two guns! and the driver’s seat! JJ, you’re welcome man, you’ve officially got your boy into the game. ;)

    And that fly-by comment Walter made about Astrid not being around for the pivotal point of Amber ignition was quite intriguing…We know Olive was in the Big Apple, Peter in Boston with his pops, but Astro…where was you? …Obviously you made it back in time to take the yellow-geode nap…*chin scratch*

    Despite my absolute love for everything in this episode, I’m going to interject here with a sentiment, that two well-loved Fringes were sorely missed, Agent Broyles and our silver-haired Sharpie. Though, honestly, it’s true, in this particular script they were unnecessary and would have, perhaps, only muddled with too many characters an already spectacular story-line, I’m bias when I say, I just wanted to say ‘Hi” to them, too, dammit! Here’s to the weeks to come in expectation of our superior duo. I can’t wait till they grace my screen with their timeless amazing-ness.

    It’s proven tasteful, how the theme of hope endears to play out though this series, whether it be voiced optimism, white tulips or in this case, music and dandelions. I know, by now, I sound like a broken record when I say this, but this show never fails to come back full circle, though, at times, and we all know this, the spherical nature takes a back-alley road to its intended destination. Here though, it smacks you in the face with a pleasant wallop. At the beginning of this episode Etta was blowing on a seed-headed dandelion, and by the end, Walter peers through a review mirror at a completely composed one, complete with it’s full blooming life. A noted, and beautifully intentional correlative towards Windemark’s declaration of, and I paraphrase, nothing comes from something that’s already ruined.

    Well, well, well… I guess he doesn’t know our Fringe team very well, does he?

    Such high marks for this episode you guys. I LOVED IT, so, so much!!

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      • chris says

        I am pretty sure it is just his wedding band. You can see it briefly when they are outside the van right before Walter is captured.

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    • says

      “And that fly-by comment Walter made about Astrid not being around for the pivotal point of Amber ignition was quite intriguing…We know Olive was in the Big Apple, Peter in Boston with his pops, but Astro…where was you? …Obviously you made it back in time to take the yellow-geode nap…*chin scratch*”

      Actually, that comment was directed at Peter. I’m assuming Walter meant that Peter did not go with Olivia, but instead searched for Etta.

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      • Rae says

        Ah, okay then. Pardon my mistake. This is what I get for not watching the episode twice before I posted. Thank you, dear. *blush*

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  26. Sid03 says

    This season is going to be better than season 4 (heck, anything will be better than season 4) for the following reasons:

    - no Lincoln
    - Etta is a mini Dunhamator
    - Olivia can be kick-ass again (none of this, who am I, I remember stuff from a another timeline crap)

    With that I’ll definitely stay tuned in to season 5, especially because of reason #1 (no Lincoln).. Sorry for all the Lincoln fans, but the dude really annoyed me, totally pointless, plotless and purposeless character.

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  27. Amanda says

    Why Peter cried and Olivia didn’t???

    I THINK, it’s because se KNEW! Yeah, she knew that would happened.
    Last scene in season 3, Olivia was hesitate about the pregnancy, about telling that to Peter. It’s like she knew about all that suffering was coming. September is the key to all of this information. Right after Olivia announces the news, he warns Walter about the others Observers coming.

    That’s why she moved on faster, that’s shy she didn’t cry.
    I may be wrong, but that’s my bet.

    And sorry for any english mistake. I really enjoy very much this blog.

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        • Cortexiphan Kid says

          Wasn’t Peter crying, because he thought he didn’t fight enough to save the world, and that he didn’t come with Olivia to get the Transilience thing?
          So if he was crying because he though he was a coward, than why would Olivia cry as much as he? She probably fought like a lion before she had to amber herself.

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          • ML says

            I think they didn’t cry about Peter being a coward but over the loss of their daughter, that they missed so much in Etta’s life and that they separated. They both ambered themselves thinking they would never see their daughter and each other again. I would loose it completely ^^

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  28. Cortexiphan Kid says

    That flower at the end felt a bit like a cliche, but otherwise I have no complaint about the episode.

    E.P.I.C.

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  29. kidentropia says

    what a great way to start the final season! walter´s torture sequence was so, soooo sad!!!! the dynamic between windmark and walter was impeccable!

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  30. earthbrah says

    The way that the Thought Unifier only worked with Walter, was specifically tuned to his DNA, was eerily reminiscent of how the BBM only worked for Peter, was specifically tuned to his DNA.

    If September hatched the plan, put it into Walter’s mind insequently, and then left the Unifier as the means to reunify the disparate parts, then I’d venture to say that learning more about this device and how it works and how it was made may shed some light on the BBM.

    (not that I think the issue of the Machine needs rehashing, I just think that this tech may somewhat recontextualize our understanding of the Machine.)

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  31. 134sc says

    Awesome episode. 10/10 for me…and I do not give those out lightly.I know for sure I didn’t give any out last year…heck I don’t even think I gave out a 9.

    Anyway…

    Honestly, the whole thing was great. I don’t even know where to start. I could go through everything, but I will be typing hor hours. So I will pick some of my favorite instead.

    Walter/Etta convo
    Etta/Mama reunion
    Peter and Olivia by the fence
    Olivia and Peter discussing their daughter
    Walter being tortured (fantastic acting by Mr. Noble…seriously what does this guy have to do for an emmy?)

    2 quotes stood out, both from Peter

    1) “It’s always the red wire…unless its the white one”
    2) “Its like living a beautiful dream, inside of a horrible nightmare”

    ps. For all you shippers out there (and I do not consider myself one, although I do like Peter and Olivia, together or apart), I think they will be back together by the end of the season. That fence scene was so telling…in my opinion their love for each other never died, but extra ordinary circumstances drove them apart, and at the middle of such circumstances was the loss of their daughter. At the end of that scene, Etta come to get her parents, and Peter wipes away the tears and chuckles to himself. Almost as if to say, “all this pain and heartache that drove us apart, is now all for not because our daughter is back. Now there is hope that Olivia and I can get back to where we were”

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  32. kidentropia says

    I can´t emphasize enough what an awesome performance Michael Kopsa´s was. A very, very subtle villain. In a show fecund with incredibly brilliant villain performances, Kopsa´s is bound to become a classic one

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    • shidey17 says

      Just googled the actor’s name because I wasn’t sure who you were referring to. Wow. What a transformation!

      And I totally agree, btw. He gave me chills. I hope he will be around for the rest of the season (until they kill the all the baddies for good, of course)

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  33. shidey17 says

    I’m wondering if I missed something. September warned Walter ahead of time that the other Observers were coming, but it wasn’t until almost four years later that they actually did. At least that’s what it looks like if we believe Peter’s dream as an accurate recollection of what happened when they showed up. But he and Olivia look surprised. So why did it take four years for the invasion to happen, and what was the Fringe team doing for those four years? Because P and O look pretty happy and carefree in the dream sequence… not like they are engaged in an uber-battle to prevent Observergeddon.

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  34. Sam says

    Did they mention how they got hold of another of one those de-ambering devices to get Olivia out? Simon had to sacrifice himself to save Peter because the device broke. So did they fix it, find another one (if yes then from where) or what? I’m a little confused about that.

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  35. _lost_stef_ says

    On an unrelated topic what happened to Darth Kate and her side kick? I am waiting for their criticism of the episode lol

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    • Starman says

      I believe she stated at the end of last season that she would not be back this season, because she felt that season 4 ruined the show (and also because she kept getting backlash from other fans every time she criticized an episode).

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    • Darth Kate says

      I know you guys are all drooling over this episode, but honestly, that episode is not nearly as good as all of you seem to think. The narative was slow, disorganised, jumped from one plot to another, acting performances were good, but not great.
      The ”great” part is that until 4.19, it was never, NEVER implied that Observers are bad guys. Now you’re going to say: ”But there was Fracture”. Yes, indeed, there was Fracture. One less important episode, where a crazy guy talks about people with suitcases. Now that’s so implying, that the writers planed this all along right?!
      I have no idea how Polivia fans can be satisfied with this episode, since the chemistry between these two was just lame. Even in that quasi-emotional scene, they talked more AT than TO each other.
      There are other far-fetched things in the episode too. Like the how easily they found Olivia. Faking death (convinient).
      But the crown jule was the questioning scene and Windmark’s ”wiping”. It was so convinient, it made me sick. It kind of reminded me of those gruesome ”plot-solutions” Wyman came up with in season 4. It was kind of like they said ”Hey, it’s obvious, that at the end, Fringe team defeats the Bad guys, but let’s make it less obvious in the first episode, so that people will actually believe, that they will fail. Cause after all, we’ve got 13 episodes to fill”. So yeah, we’re getting another season 4, Short Story About Plot Holes included. And most people here will be aplauding, and saying how great this season is.

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      • TarotCard says

        Ha, ha, ha, – sorry but crown jule gave it away. I was thisclose to believing Darth Kate was back. :-) :-)

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      • Rae says

        Wrong. See my below comment. It *was* suggested they were bad guys. Way back in season 2…in Fracture. Our team just weren’t the ones who assumed it…

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      • Rae says

        So yeah, it was “implied”. Till now, it was just never validated…maybe the writers did have plans for this outcome all along. If not, they did a sure-fire way of fulfilling such a tiny implemented seed of an idea…I know you don’t think so…but this show is brilliant.

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        • shidey17 says

          Agreed. I never know what they had planned all along and what just happened to work out, but every time I go back and watch an old episode, I find stuff from the past season that I never would have expected.

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          • says

            You can watch an episode as many times as you want, and make sense of it, but will it be the sense that J.H. Wyman intended.

            I mean, who has viewed an episode and said that they understood it the first time, then on second or more viewings picked up or uncovered so much more.

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            • shidey17 says

              True. I can only imagine what it will be like to go back and rewatch the whole show (especially the 1st season I think) after they’ve wrapped it up and “recontextualized” it in the 5th season (as Wyman likes to say)
              :)

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    • Newtonisalive says

      she give up last season. too bad, shell miss out on the awesum season:)

      who was the side kick?

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  36. Cortexiphan Kid says

    I have to say, what writers did to Markham is kind of sad. Instead of Peter’s book specialist friend, he’s going to be remembered as a sicko that used Olivia for a coffee table.

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    • shidey17 says

      It makes me wonder if that’s the last we’ll see of him. I don’t think so. I’ve always pitied him – I think they’ve written him as sort of a creep, but we are meant to pity him as well. Maybe he and his shotgun will come in handy at some point for the Fringe team. I hope so. Walter seemed very interested in Markham’s collection of things.

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  37. FlashWriter says

    Maybe there’s something I missed along the way, but I’m not sure why the Observers did this in the first place. After all, they are us in the future, so it comes down to them oppressing themselves. Time travel is old hat to them and so they must know about the butterfly effect and what it could mean to them. As September said, any given action can end up with multiple outcomes and one of those outcomes must be that the Observers in their present incarnation never exist. I do hope they cover this over the next 12 eps…

    Cheers!

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    • shidey17 says

      I agree. Someone else (waaaaay up further in the comments) remarked about the differences between the original science team and the invader Observers. Since they are all future incarnations of humans, you would think they would have some sort of emotional attachment to us in some way – or at least that their curiosity would be benign, instead of the malevolence they show in 2036.

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    • Rae says

      If we recall, in season one, there was an episode where it was suspected by the culprit that the Observers are here to spy on us, and to ultimately destroy us. It was in Fracture that Raymond Gordon, the evil mastermind of the episode, first mentioned to Broyles that the Observers are here to exterminate us, to use our technology against us and by the time we realize it, it will be too late.

      Of course, at that time, in that season, we, as the audience, assumed he was paranoid, suffering from a psychiatric break because, well, for all we knew from before-episodes, the Observers seemed harmless; spectators, merely.

      But if you ask me, that’s EXACTLY what’s happening in this season. This ‘break’ of his, has come to realistic fruition. So, IMO, the idea of this fifth season story-line is not so far-fetched from the “original” Fringe-verse. It was suggested to us, in-obviously, subtly, that this may be who the Observers truly are. This notion, that they’re invaders, was presented to us so far back, and so un-concretely, that we’d brushed it off.

      The reality introduced in 4×19 isn’t a new, way-ward path the show took, it’s merely a road that disproves our assumptions that the Observers are a peaceful race. And no, as much as I’d like them to, they wouldn’t have any emotional attachment toward “humans” because ,well, they feel no emotion, remember. I would expect them to be anything but apathetic and unsympathetic towards us.

      Not to mention, absolute power corrupts absolutely. That saying can be said to be true here, in this dystopia.

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        • Rae says

          Full Circle you guys. That how this show works…re-introducing things we didn’t realize we forgot.

          God, this show is amazing…

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      • shidey17 says

        Yes, you’re right. They have had this planned (or at least it would seem that way) all along. I hope they do explain why September and August differ and display emotion and even an attachment to humans. I don’t buy that it’s just because they watched them too long. I’m guessing there is a more direct link at least between September and our Fringe team…possibly going back to Inner Child.

        There is so much going on this season and so many callbacks. This board is going to be crazy with speculation and theories. I can barely contain myself now and it’s only been one episode.

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  38. SissySiri says

    Hope this was not already brought up; I’m trying to read all comments.

    I wonder what the significance is to the bullet or whatever Etta wears around her neck. Could it be the bullet that was removed from Olivia’s brain? If that is the case it was given to her when she was a child, wouldn’t that be kind of weird?
    She said Foster parents raised her, did she just get lost after the invasion, or did the Observers take her?
    Where are and who are the Foster parents?
    Why didn’t Nina raise her? That would have been the closest non-relative person to take care of her.

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  39. bonnie scotland says

    This was a fantastic episode, and perhaps we will be able to erase the travesty that was series 4, and look back it in time under the headline ‘what were they thinking?’
    I thought Noble was awesome, Jackson fantastic and I just love Etta…Baldy, perfect casting. But even the smaller casting jobs are always spot on- i.e. the resistance fighters. The ep was focussed, exciting, had loads of emotion and drive. Why couldn’t they have done this last year? Some of the dialogue was hokey- the fence building scene was horribly written and directed- I felt sorry for Torv and Jackson, tho think they both gave it their best shot.
    I am soooo excited about this series, and so glad we are getting an ending. too many times we invest time and energy into tv that is just chopped. All these actors deserve more because they have worked so hard.

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  40. Ben says

    This is my first proper post for a while, I’ve recently finished rewatching season 4 (as I like to rewatch the preceding season before each new one) and finally watched 5.01.

    Got to agree with the majority here and say I absolutely loved it! A few of the highlights for me were:

    -The dystopian setting was intriguing throughout, it was interesting to see the most sinister aspects of the Observer occupation (such as the machine that deliberately pumps CO2 into the atmosphere.) It seems like the Observers are an exaggerated version of the worst aspects of humanity, like our callous indifference to the environment and often to other people. I think the show could provide a fascinating moral message about how we need to protect our planet from suffering because of our own scientific advances, which would be both topical and poignant.

    - I see some people criticised the scenes between Peter, Olivia and Etta but I personally thought they were outstanding. I couldn’t help smiling like an idiot when Olivia and Etta first re-united, and it was wonderful acting from Haig and Torv in my opinion: their reactions were believable and emotional without straying into the realm of cornyness.

    - The scene between the two Ws, Walter and Windmark, was painful and captivating in equal measure. Fringe has always done torture scenes well, from David Robert Jones to Thomas Jerome Newton, and even John Moseley, to take things even further back. The way Windmark asked Walter questions without expecting an oral reply reminded me a lot of the way Moseley tortured Peter in season 1, which was a nice call back.

    - Not specific to the episode but I find it quite unnerving to think that Raymond Gordon, the creepy, insane Colonel from Fracture was actually right all along! I might watch that episode again since it strangely ties in with this season. I always assumed he was incorrectly mistaking the actions of the Alternate Universe for those of the Observers, but apparently not…

    - The action scenes were really well done, I really hope it’s specified that the guns they are using against the Observers are William Bell’s rapid-fire guns as used by Jessica Holt against September, since that would provide some lovely irony: one villain’s weapons being used to defeat a far greater enemy.

    - I thought the ending was fantastic, seeing Walter play that CD and noticing that dandelion creeping up through the concrete was a very optimistic ending, which I feel was needed given the bleak revelations about Walter and September’s plan.

    All in all, a very promising start, and already can’t wait until Friday!

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  41. elisa says

    I can’t believe nobody anywhere made comments about this: the cicle storyline in fringe reapearing in the episode. ‘History repeats itself’ is a recurring theme in Fringe. And what we see is a Peter repeating the story of Walter (from the 4th season): peter grew up without his father Walter and Etta grew up without her father (and mother, in her case). The fact is BOTH lost their only child while very young, only to reconnect with them after they were grown adults. And both sacrificed their ‘marriage’, by trying to get their child back.
    I finally understood the point of season 4: this Walter did not raise Peter, just like Peter did not raise Etta.
    But here is the difference:
    rethinking what Bell said to Peter, way back: ‘be a better man than your father’, I think Peter was a better man.It depends on the reasons why he went into “ambar mode”. But I think he WAS better than his father when he ambared himself and separated himself from his daughter (unlike Walter, who wouldn’t quit trying to save his son, including, almost destroying 2 universes). See, Peter didn’t do that. He DID LET GO at some point.
    Of course, all this thinking changes if he ambared because there was no choice.

    Originally posted: http://seriable.com/fringe-5-01-transilience-thought-unifier-model-11-review/#ixzz28Bx5c7jK

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