FRINGE: 4.22 Brave New World: Part 2 – Season Finale

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In the climactic conclusion of the Season Four finale, the Fringe team is pushed to their breaking point as they desperately attempt to prevent a catastrophic event that threatens the lives of everyone.

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  1. LastManInSpace says

    I could be doing something productive instead of just sitting around and waiting impatiently…..*twiddles thumbs*

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    • Dan S. says

      Hey fellow Fringe fans, I’m honored that the producers of the show have worked our theory into the season finale! To refresh your memory, I noted in the comments of episode 14:
      “Also, the babies in the APPLE glyph are now apparent to me as Peter and Olivia being the “Adam and Eve” to their descendants- the observers. Plus to reference the fact that they are “soul mates”- which perhaps is the entire underlying message of this show…that one should keep searching until they find/reunite with their soulmate.”

      In episode 22, the season finale, William Bell says “You have earned your right in the new order, a final breeding pair, you will be the new ADAM AND EVE!”

      What do you guys think? (check out the comments on episode 14)

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      • says

        They can’t be the ones observers evolved from or they wouldn’t try to get rid of Peter.

        They are the ones that will be able to resist the observers.

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  2. Darth Kate says

    Dosing adults with cortexiphan KILLS THEM. How did it “slow” the onset of bell’s death?

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  3. Hsa says

    Is Olivia taking the place of the boom-boom machine, or will the machine save the universes and Olivia? This is awesome!

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  4. Darth Kate says

    bell is a complete loon. how did this happen? why? where is the justification for this drastic change in character?

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      • Darth Kate says

        oh look. she’s alive again exactly like last season. who could have predicted this?

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              • Darth Kate says

                i never said they didnt, but thinking about the episode reveals its failings to me and thus i dont enjoy it

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                • Al Briggs says

                  Whining, bratty Kate at it again. Feel free to write up a series finale if you think you can do better.

                  Waiting…

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                  • Ducky says

                    i like to just watch a show and enjoy it. i dont understand how people can analys a show so much…no wonder people find fault in EVERYTHING that happens. Just watch and enjoy, thats the point of TV. I liked the finale a fair few ‘wtf!?’ came from my mouth but it was good i loved it! :D
                    Ian S and Al Briggs, i’m with you!

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            • Briar says

              Indeed. And using your brain *with* the show used to be one of the joys of Fringe. Season 4 has ruined that. All one can see is flaws.

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            • Cortexiphan Kid says

              ”no. i like to use my brain.”
              You don’t need to use your brain to see the flaws in season 4.

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  5. Hsa says

    How wonderful—Yeats and Nina as the good witch in the wizard of oz. I guess Olivia did have to die to save the world. This is a roller coaster’ and I certainly hope Olivia and Pter along with Walter can return to thebluverse alive.

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      • Darth Kate says

        we already knew:

        1) astrid was going to be fine
        2) olivia was going to be fine
        3) bell was going to be defeated
        4)olivia was going to be pregnant
        5) the observers were going to be coming to take over

        everything in the episode was obviously and ham-fistedly foreshadowed. we learned nothing.

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        • RedVines says

          I agree with after ep 19 and Brave New World 1 what happened in the finale was quite predictable (Olivia had to be fine and pregnant, Astrid had to be ok and the 2036 bad Observers had to be introduced). But you know what, at the end of the episode I had a big smile on my face, I was just happy! : )

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        • Geoff says

          I went into Return of the Jedi knowing that Luke wasn’t going to die. I knew they were going to destroy the ring when watching Lord of the Rings. I’m pretty sure James Bond isn’t going to die in his next movie either.

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    • dte421 says

      Right. Resolving plot points that have been pertinent since season 1 (in what could have been the series finale) such as what William Bell was really doing, what the cortexiphan trials were really about, what the ZFT manuscript was describing (creating a new universe), and whether or not Walter would be able to become the better man is pretty pointless.

      Get real.

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      • Darth Kate says

        this is a totally different william bell from season one. this is an alt timeline bell. what show are you watching?

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        • dte421 says

          Oh my God. Seriously???? The timeline may be different, but, do tell, what core characteristics of the characters were “totally different?” Not A SINGLE ONE. Just stop. Please.

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        • Page 48 says

          “this is a totally different william bell from season one”

          He’s sporting alt-timeline hair, too.

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    • Ian S. says

      Actually, no it wasn’t. Instead of just blatantly commenting can’t you just think for a moment about the episode? Because, yes Kate, everything that happened in the SEASON FINALE was obviously and definitely completely pointless…

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      • Darth Kate says

        Oh the irony of an apologist telling *me* to think about the episode. That’s the problem Ian. I did think about it and it completely unraveled.

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        • Ian S. says

          Kate, unless you can explain to me every single scene of the episode and how it was pointless, I could never agree with you. The cores of our characters are the same, anything before 1985 is the same, most things past 1985 are the same but the death of Peter allowed certain aspects of characters to become more prominent then before, like how William Bell’s small God Complex would eventually soar to this level. Everything that has happened this season is what could have happened, even if Peter had lived.

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          • Darth Kate says

            “the death of peter allowed certain aspects of characters to become more prominent then before, like how William Bell’s small God Complex ”

            what *exactly* did the writers *establish* to suggest that. You CANNOT defend the show based on ASSUMPTIONS gathered from empty spaces in the narrative!

            and no im not going through the entire episode for you because you wouldn’t care and i don’t care about convincing you anyway.

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            • hui says

              Umm….sorry to disturb everyone, just want to throw in something :

              Bell did mention that it was Walter who told him to play god, to create a new universe after Walter lost both versions of his son and wanted to change the rules of the universe….

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              • hui says

                I also want to add some more points, the ending of a story is important but “how” the story develops is also important too. Otherwise you can just read the final page of every novel or just watch the finale of every TV show.

                We know Olivia and Astrid will survive but the most important thing is what happened after they got shot.

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              • Dylan says

                In the original timeline, it was knowledge of how to cross universes that was taken from Walter. It explained how Bell knew how to cross, and it was clearly stated that the information was what Newton and company were after when they kidnapped Walter.

                This new scenario is relevant to only this new season 4 setting.

                A few people here seem to be confusing themselves. The setting of season 4 is completely different to that of season 1-3.

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          • says

            Also, remember in the season 4 timeline, Walter lost both Peters and as a result was angry at GOD. As per Bellie, Walter is the one who thought of creating this new univers. However, in the original timeline he was able to save one Peter and his hatred of GOD wasn’t present, so his desire to create this new universe never happened; which means Bell didn’t have Walter’s ideas to create the new universe. It all started with Walter losing his son and even in season 4 timeline, Walter ultimately couldn’t bring himself to do it.

            In any event, I LOVED this final. It will allow me to look forward to next season without all of the angst created by Peter’s never existing ending from last season. I’m excited to meet “them” and see how it all plays out.

            One final thought on Bell. Remember in episode 19 in season 3 — Peter commented about Bell huge ego and how escaping death would be a big acheivement for him. The man has always had the proclivity to do this . . . just not the initial know-how without Walter.

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          • Cortexiphan Kid says

            ”The cores of our characters are the same, anything before 1985 is the same, most things past 1985 are the same but the death of Peter allowed certain aspects of characters to become more prominent then before, like how William Bell’s small God Complex would eventually soar to this level.”
            In Fringe they acualy pointed, that this is not the case. Infact 40% of Olivia is suposed to be diferent.

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    • Ducky says

      Darth Kate…have you ever considered just not watching the show. it’s almost pointless for you to be watching if you aren’t enjoying it. Save everyone else the pain of hearing your opinion because i dont think i remember the last time you had something good to say. Just stop watching and it solves all your problems.

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      • fedorafadares says

        Funny, I used to enjoy Fringebloggers so much, but the constant rat-a-tat complaints of Darth Kate and Dylan have made this more of an occassional stop than a daily destination for me, which is sad, since I think Rocco is brilliant.

        I’ve tried just skimming past their posts, but when their names appear every three or four posts, it makes navigating around them nearly impossible.

        Shame they can’t consolidate their posts into a single complaint posting or two per episode.

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    • Sanj says

      Well given the sheer amount of spam you spew here after every episode I have to wonder why you even bother watching. The only thing that is pointless are your endless multiple postings denigrating every single episode.

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  6. FringeATW says

    THAT SCENE WITH WALTER AND PETER HEALING OLIVE IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES EVER!!!!!!!!!

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  7. Pam says

    They lost it after the 3rd season finale. Wrote themselves into a corner they couldn’t really get out of!

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    • Dylan says

      Absolutely.

      I don’t know why, but whenever there’s a short break (whether mid season or between seasons), the Fringe writers just like to change all the ideas they established beforehand.

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  8. RChris says

    At least they set up for the Observers plot – but I can’t see how they can do it in thirteen episodes. I just didn’t buy Bell’s character – maybe it was the way Leonard Nimoy portrayed him, it just fell flat.

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    • dte421 says

      New flash: corpses can’t act. Nimoy should have stayed retired, it’s unfortunate that old age has taken such a strong hold on him since the season 1 finale.

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      • SissySiri says

        Oh dear, I hope no one feels that way about you when you are in your 80’s, that is if you are lucky enough to live that long. Leonard Nimoy is a gentleman and a good actor IMO. I wonder how we would do if we had to act, not as good as him I bet.

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        • Ian S. says

          I felt his acting was great, and when he said “I can’t stop it if i could, and I DON’T!” it gave me chills how he laughed when he said it.

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    • Darth Kate says

      its probably because his sudden heel-face-turn came right out of nowhere with no buildup or explanation.

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      • dte421 says

        Seriously? Heel-face turn? Remember season 1 when pretty much every case had ties to Massive Dynamic, and it was blatantly obvious that DRJ was working for Bell? Or did you just start watching this show in season 3? Because of course Bell would have wanted the Bishops and Olivia to survive. Without them, his master plan would never have worked. So, if you actually paid attention to the nuances, you wouldn’t be calling this a “heel-face-turn”.

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        • Darth Kate says

          yeah the funny thing about that is that the story has PROGRESSED SINCE SEASON ONE. that’s kind of how stories work. we learn new things about the characters, like that William Bell was not in fact evil like we suspected early in the first season. furthermore THIS bell is totally different from that oen because this is a different timeline, so how did he get like that? what caused his path to diverge from the bell of our timeline? why? I’m not the one missing the “nuances” here because they weren’t any. The writers wanted to shock us by making bell the villain but didn’t bother to develop him at all because they are lazy hacks. good night.

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          • dte421 says

            Where did we learn that William Bell was in fact “not evil”? If you’re referring to him assisting the Bishops and Olivia on the Other Side, you’d be missing that keeping the three of them alive was ESSENTIAL to what ZFT was trying to accomplish – in this case, the destruction of two universes and the creation of his own. None of that would have been possible without Olivia, or without Peter to trigger her powers, so why wouldn’t he keep them alive? At no point was there ever a moment on this show to even remotely decide Bell was not “evil.”

            You’re also completely missing the alternate timeline point, or so it seems. The characters aren’t different in the core universe at all. Astrid is the same, Olivia is the same, Walter is the same, Broyles is the same… why would William Bell be a man of completely different motives? You seem to think the alternate timeline makes them completely different people, which is NOT the case at all. They are merely the same characters living in a world in which Peter was not supposed to exist. Once Peter entered their lives, they gradually became exactly the same people they had been before. William Bell’s life was never affected in any way by Peter, as he disappeared, so why would he be any different than the character in seasons 1 and 2?

            You’re acting under the assumption that William Bell was good, when, in fact, close watching would point all evidence to the contrary, especially with the developments of season 4 that conclusively prove he was funding ZFT after all. You seem to be under the impression that helping Olivia, Peter, and Walter escape in season 2 makes him “good”… when in fact it does nothing of the sort. It merely keeps his chess pieces alive for the end game.

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            • Anne in Van says

              I love you dte421 ;) All your comments are just exactly what I think. Thank you for translating my thoughts! and a lot of others’ thoughts I guess.

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            • Dan S. says

              Great point! The theme of the show….that one person- any person- can change our lives.

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      • Scott42444 says

        Kate, why do you need everything spelled out for you? There seem to be more people filling in the gaps based on what they have seen than people like you who cry about holes in the narrative. Did you miss the scene with Walter and Bell? He explains the whole thing. Walter has always been on the verge of being a bad guy. He and Bell used to experiment on children, for crying out loud. Something that even the somewhat evil Walternate refused to do in Season 3. In the new timeline, Peter died in Walter’s arms twice. He was mad at God and the rules of the universe(s). So, he decided to create a new universe with his own rules. But, maybe because of William Bell talking him out of it or some other reason that doesn’t really matter, he had Bell cut out pieces of his brain so that he would not only forget the idea but also not have the mental ability to do this. Years then pass. Now, when Bell gets cancer he tries desperately to stop it from spreading. He even uses his monstrous, scientific juggernaut company Massive Dynamic and its seemingly limitless resources to use cortexiphan to slow the cancer from spreading (after research, the company found a way for an adult to be able to “safely” take it) but still he could not cure his disease. So, he started to believe in all the “crazy ramblings” of his best friend Walter and felt angry at God and his rules as well. That is not that hard to follow, he explains the whole thing. There is no conclusion that needs to be jumped to.

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  9. Pam says

    The observer attack future is really lame……I wish they would just continue on the thread of where Bell went to and Mr.X and so on……

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    • Ian S. says

      The Man X thing bugs me actually, the producers said we would learn more about him this season and we didn’t. So either everyone missed something or we can’t trust what they say.

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        • Ian S. says

          I am in reality, and I would be fine not knowing about Man X yet, it just bugs me when the producers say we will know something, yet we do not. Usually what they say is true, in fact this (and the alternate ending to the season) are the only things that have bugged me with what they say to expect. Why say we will learn about Man X, putting the X symbol on Bell’s nanites is NOT learning about Man X! All I got from it was that Man X is perhaps a representation that Olivia would end up dying in a room with Walter, Belly, and Peter…in any timeline/future.

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          • D says

            JW and JP did interviews released tonight in which one of them addresses Mr. X and confirms that he’s was a stand-in for Bell — i.e., Olivia personified what her mind perceived of Bell’s malevolence in the form of Mr. X.

            Agree it’s not perfect, but I’ll buy it on the whole.

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            • FinChase says

              The nanites had an X on them, which certainly identified them with Man X. Still, I could have done with a little closer identification. But as you say, I’ll take it.

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            • Dylan says

              I haven’t watched the episode yet, but is that really the answer they gave? Irrespective of this being an entirely new timeline, even if it were the same, that’s a pretty weak explanation…

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            • Dylan says

              I’m also a little confused how that’s possible given that Man X and Bell were both on the zeppelin in the original episode

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              • willg says

                I guess in one’s mind there is this mixture of symbolism and images that have certain meanings for everyone. I like the explanation because I think we have always known there was not going to be a certain man running around with an X on him and dressed like the grim reaper asking directions to Olivia Dunham’s house. I am good with that explanation.

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            • Ian S. says

              Can you tell me where I can find those interviews? Curious as to what they said because they kind of missed it on the Man X thing…should have been addressed properly (Peter should have seen the screen with the nanites and the X and remembered back to LSD).

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            • says

              Actually, that’s what I assumed. In a previous interview, Wyman and Pinker hinted the man x has some relation to Bell. It all makes sense to me . . . after all, this is the Fringe universe; don’t look for perfect logic because it doesn’t necessarily exist in this format. I believe they stayed true to the core — meaning relationships and the importance of love in a person’s life.

              Wow, I thought we’d get a bit more positive feed back. Oh well, again I LOVED it!

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        • shidey17 says

          Etta is P & O’s daughter. I don’t think it was actually established that Olivia had died. I think she was trapped somewhere else away from the rest of the team. But I guess we’ll have to wait to find out.

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  10. LastManInSpace says

    Weakest of the season finales for sure. I’m going to switch the order around when I watch the Blu-Rays w/the hubby and stick Letters of Transit at the end.

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    • Page 48 says

      “Weakest of the season finales for sure”

      Absolutely. Thank goodness there is a 5th season coming, so that this doesn’t end up serving as a series finale.

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      • Scott42444 says

        100% agreed. Now that I slept on it, I realize that if Fringe were to end right now, which was VERY close to being a reality, that would have been a very anti-climactic but necessary ending. But, as far as Fringe’s amazing season finales go, this was by far the weakest.. I understand that they tried to answer quite a few questions and tie up some loose ends but it should not have been the finale.

        Even if the show were cancelled, “Letters of Transit” should have been the finale with Brave New World 2 being the penultimate episode. I know it would have seemed very similar to the end of Season 3, but that is okay. I would be so pumped getting ready for the Observer invasion. I feel like we ended on a valley instead of the usual peak.

        Also, it really annoys me that the writers took all of Olivia’s powers away. Or, if they haven’t they wasted a couple of lines from Walter saying that they would be taken away because she “used up her cortexiphan” like a car uses gasoline. She was just starting to show off powers that would make her a VERY formidable foe to the Observers.

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        • corazondeazul says

          Agreed about the loss of powers thing, I REALLY enjoyed watching her stop bullets with her hand…

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        • shidey17 says

          I’m torn on the powers thing. I liked them before, but in the last 2 episodes, the way they have been showcased has seemed kind of cheesy to me.

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        • T says

          Personally, I’m glad the Cortexiphan powers/storyline are going away. I thought it was the weakest aspect of the story considering the results/effects of Cortexiphan seemed to change to fit the direction of the story.

          I thought the catching bullets was corny. I was afraid Olivia was going to be wearing a red cape in S5.

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  11. SissySiri says

    For me that finale was fantastic. I am happy now and will have good summer, can’t wait until the start of Season 5. Thank you everyone who has anything to do with Fringe. Thanks to all the sponsors too!!

    That bullet was the one Etta had around her neck, looks like we are headed to 2036.

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    • Ian S. says

      My only question is why did Walter and Peter even keep the bullet? Lol “Hey Walter, let’s keep the bullet that killed my wife for jokes later on!”

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      • SissySiri says

        I hardly think keeping the bullet would be for jokes later. I think it is a testament to survival.

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        • D says

          I think it also symbolizes her/their sacrifice. I could picture Peter giving it to his daughter as a keepsake by which to remember her mother.

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          • Ian S. says

            Oh yeah don’t get me wrong I know what it symbolizes. I just find it kind of funny that in that moment Peter picked it up and put it in his pocket, even though it just killed his wife .. if I was in that situation I think it’s the last thing I’d think about lol ! :) Although, then again, I’m not apart of the Fringe team ;)

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        • Blu~Phnix says

          ^^Yes, I think the same thing SissySiri.

          In a way, while it did kill her, if Walter hadn’t done what he did they might have all died and Etta would never be. So it killed her and saved her/them at the same time. Of course, she was also saved by Walter. He shot her and saved her. Of course Cortexiphan did it’s job but like Walter said, it wouldn’t have matter if the bullet was still in her head. Very Fringe! \

          Also, that was a very interesting parallel the Season 3 finale when Walternate shot her in the same way but for very, very different reasons. Which Peter was then able to advert. This time, all Peter had the power to do was assist Walter.

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          • Blu~Phnix says

            In the case of the Cortexiphan, you could claim that she was possibly not all dead only mostly dead. Cue Miracle Max, or Walter! Her cells could have been regenerating even while the bullet was still in her head.

            Now that I think about it, that scene also reminded me a bit of Neo saving Trinity in The Matrix Reloaded. Reaching in her Matrix form to take out the bullet and healing the code. Although, in this case, it was appropriate it was Walter not Peter. Peter being Neo.

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            • DeepRunner says

              I think only Walter could save her, given his scientific ability, but because Pinkner and Wyman have presented Fringe as a love story FIRST, to have Walter shoot her and then be the one to save her while reducing Peter to the grieving widower…mmm…I think it was clumsy. And on the short side of epic. But, 4.19 made it clear that Walter, at least, has achieved mythical status, so maybe this, along with September telling Walter that they had to warn the others, was a precursor to season 5 being the “Walter” season.

              Oh, one other curiosity…Kill the mother and you kill the child. We are left to assume that the Cortexiphan also saved Etta. Which provides further “evidence” of the basis for Etta’s Cortexi-powers.

              DGMW, I thought it was a GOOD episode and, since they probably went into filming without a firm lock on Season 5, they probably felt like they had to do things this way.

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      • Page 48 says

        “My only question is why did Walter and Peter even keep the bullet?”

        A gift for Peter and Olivia’s lead anniversary.

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        • SissySiri says

          Page 48 – We don’t know. We do know it was around Etta’s neck on a chain, but beyond that it’s anyone’s guess. If Season 5 takes place in 2036 we may get the answer.

          During the summer I am going to be scouring all places that will give me any insight into Season 5. I don’t like surprises. In the May 7 – 20 TV Guide Magazine there is an article written by Damian Holbrook which gives some insight into Season 5. Happy, happy!

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          • TW says

            I think people may be missing more religious symbolism:

            Christians often wear a cross around their neck, or at least glorify a “weapon” used to sacrifice the savior, who died but rose again.

            Olivia (and sometimes Peter, but especially Olivia) has arguably been the savior-figure of the show from Season One. When her “creator” killed her (Walter-god), stopping her from being exploited by Bell (false god) expecting her to “rise again” (resurrection shown to us in the episode teaser), that bullet became a faith-symbol.

            It’s like her cross.

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            • TW says

              One more tie in lol ….

              This episode essentially set us up for 4.19. And in 4.19, we don’t see her yet. But we do see Peter. We see Etta looking for Olivia and the team, and she finds Peter and Walter, but not Olivia. Not yet. And whenever she’s nervous, we see her rubbing that bullet around her neck.

              Peter is Olivia’s “apostle”. The rock which things are built upon. Her love transformed him, changed him. In the future, he’s there. Walter is there … “god”. One who is responsible for “making Olivia”, and Peter, etc. But who is missing is Olivia … the savior. What they need, and will likely go after, is a *second coming* lol … when Olivia reappears lol.

              So now picture someone like Etta, who is analogous to a Christian believer. They believe they are God’s children, with their “spiritual father” being the apostles. They eagerly await the second coming, the hope of the future. They rub their worry beads, do the sign of the cross. Now picture Etta, rubbing her bullet, placing her faith in Walter (along with Simon !), being of the same blood as her father, Peter. These people were considered myths, even though she is a living testimony to their existence at one time. And here they have now re-emerged. Now, they just need the second coming of Olivia lol ….

              The symbolism is all over the place lol …

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              • SissySiri says

                TW – That is the most spot on synopsis of the situation I have read. I hope the writers of the show are reading this. Wow, thank you for that.

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  12. Dylan says

    Time to watch this episode and see whether or not it’s going to convince me to come back for the next season…

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      • Dylan says

        I understand your logic, but I unfortunately gave my word a few months ago that the future of my relationship with this show would be determined by my response to the final episode of the season.

        And it’s still loading…

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    • Dylan says

      …I’m not too sure how I felt about this finale. I was strangely distant from every aspect of it, I didn’t care about anything – whether good or bad. I didn’t even care when things stopped making sense.

      In my mind I that I may have already made the decision.

      This season…it just wasn’t Fringe. Not for me. This wasn’t the show I had invested in for the three years prior. These weren’t the characters I had learned to care about, not the setting or events I studied episodes to understand.

      This isn’t Fringe…and so stopping now isn’t as hard as it once seemed.

      I’ll hang around for a little bit on this page, for some final discussion. Unfortunately, however, this will be it for me. I may read up on the events of the final season, but I won’t watch it.

      So, yeah…goodbye to this show. Goodbye to what I once loved, and goodbye to the thing that replaced it.

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      • willg says

        Come on Dylan. Like I told Kate, give yourself some time for things to settle down and stew on it for awhile. You ve got all summer to think about it. I would not make that decision so quickly after the finale. Like I said before it’s only thirteen more episodes; and your posts are helpful and needed.

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      • February says

        Seeing huge spoilers for the episode on this page before you watched it most likely didn’t help you enjoy it.

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        • Dylan says

          Not as much as you might think. I had actually predicted a lot of it and of course, having watched Letters of Transit a few weeks ago didn’t exactly help…

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          • February says

            Still, if they way you watch television is to read about every major detail before actually watching it, I suggest you rethink your methods. That’s not how the rest of the world do it.

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            • lost_stef says

              If they dont wanna watch they can read about how awesome it was later and they can regret the time and effort the spent watching season 1-4

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            • Dylan says

              It’s not how I usually do it either. But like I said earlier, I think that I had already made my mind up before I even watched the episode.

              Usually when I don’t care about being spoiled, it’s a sign I’ve lost interest. It’s what happened with Dexter.

              I lost two shows this year.

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      • Page 48 says

        “I may read up on the events of the final season, but I won’t watch it ”

        C’mon, I hear the first 87 episodes are the hardest.

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  13. Ben says

    I gotta say, the interrogation of Jessica Holt is the creepiest thing I’ve seen lately. A lot of it had to do with her eyes.

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    • Ian S. says

      That really freaked me out…it was so strange (even by Fringe standards), at one point I had to look away…it was just too unnatural

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    • hsa says

      It was truely creepy, but the episode had some very funny moments. Loved the look of the nurse when Walter declined the urine samples.

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      • Maris says

        I was not freak out about Marionette, but that scene of Jessica really freaked me out!!! For sure!!!!

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      • FinChase says

        Very, very creepy scene and a great (albeit unexpected) use of a really good guest star.

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  14. Ian S. says

    Good, solid finale. Nothing compared to “They Day We Died” though. I’m going to have to re-watch this season again and maybe I’ll have a different feel for it, but as much as I enjoyed it (it was a great season with fantastic actors, a wonderful script, and impressive plot) it didn’t exactly build a lot on seasons 1-3, because of the new timeline. I still don’t understand why they gave us a new timeline, they’re in control of the plot and Peter didn’t have to be erased! Why not just erase the machine by it being the paradox at the end of season 3 and then basically have the bridge unable to be closed, leave the Bell + Jones stuff in there (they could have people still working for them, others working for the ZFT group carrying on their vision), have more on the Observers coming from the future, and of course MAN X!!!! (Weren’t we supposed to learn about him this season???)

    I really did enjoy the season, but it feels like it went the wrong direction and had so many missed opportunities! Fantastic show still but WHY DID THEY DO THIS??? :( I do love the Amberverse now and I’ve come to accept the theme of the show is “home is where the heart is”, and I actually love the idea of the two timelines and two universes basically all squashed together to give us who our characters are, but it wasn’t the best they could have done and I think we all know it.

    Re-watch time is coming up soon… but so far I rate the seasons by this (favourites in order from best to worst): 3, 2, 4, 1. I know some people would bug me of having season 1 last, but season 4 at least gave us a really compelling background story (new timeline, returning home) that season 1 just didn’t really have. I love all the seasons though :)

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    • Ben says

      It seems a lot to me that, no matter who denies it, this episode was written as a potential series finale. It resolves the threat and gives everyone happy endings. It just doesn’t leave much time to set up the next season. I have a good feeling about the next and last season, though.

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      • Ian S. says

        I agree, it would be a very nice series finale :) Not the strongest one though, because there wasn’t enough lead up to the episode. Season 5 can deliver a truly epic series finale because they know exactly how much time they have.

        I’ve got that good feeling about season 5 as well ;)

        I think seasons 4 and 5 eventually will have to be watched together, as I see season 5 maybe starting right after this episode. The two together will probably give them justice!

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    • corazondeazul says

      Totally agree on your rating of the seasons (although 2 and 3 might be tied IMO)! I have NEVER understood why people like Season 1 so much…to me, it was just a vehicle for setting up the rest of the story while they figured out wtf they were doing.

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      • Ian S. says

        Yeah sometimes I used to think of Season 1 as really a prequel before the real show started lol! It was good but not as strong as the other seasons :)

        I agree, season 2 and 3 are tied, they were just so insanely good!!

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  15. Darth Kate says

    How to get real popular on Fringebloggers:

    1) find a Darth Kate post
    2) whine about how much of a meanie poo poo head she is
    3) instant likes.

    Stay classy guys.

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    • rafa says

      man, you ARE boring, aren’t you?! can you just hold on to the fact that your opinion is not the absolute truth, and let others be?! geez

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      • Dylan says

        You realize that this statement immediately supports what Kate just said in her post

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        • rafa says

          i was just expressing my opinion, which ended up matching the opinion of many others. i dont care if the statement supports or doesnt support what she said. my only desire was to show my disapproval of her atittude.

          i dont care if i’m supporting anybody’s opinion or not. all i care is showing mine.

          Grow up.

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    • Ian S. says

      How to get real unpopular on Fringebloggers:

      1) Write a post that points out your posts that people tend to disagree on
      2) Complain about the show when they find said posts and comment on it
      3) Repeat the cycle.

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      • Darth Kate says

        ive always been the unpopular one. good thing i dont give a sh*t otherwise i would have left long ago.

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        • Brian says

          Yes. Clearly you don’t care. Why post about how unpopular you think you are if it doesn’t bother you? You’re definitely entitled to your opinion, I even agree with you sometimes. But if you’re going to talk smack about a show on a blog full of people who love the show, your negativity will come full circle. Grow up and stop trolling.

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          • Dylan says

            Like I said, it’s either conform or get out…

            *sigh* don’t finales just bring out the best in people?

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            • Brian says

              I’m not asking anyone to agree with me, nor am I demanding it. She didn’t like S4, and that’s A-okay with me and I’m sure it is with everyone else. Her crybaby, everyone hates me attitude is childish and tiresome, however. Like I said, don’t visit a blog about Fringe to complain about how much Fringe sucks. If that makes me some sort of dictator or what have you, then bow down before me!!!!!!!!! :)

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              • Dylan says

                “Comment Policy: No views of hatred or personal attacks”

                Please spare me the rude and inappropriate behaviour that you choose to dress up as some sort of joke.

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                • Brian says

                  Rude? Oh please. You didn’t like S4, I liked S4. I recall saying everyone was entitled to their opinion and guess what: that includes me too! When I come to this site, I want to discuss the show with people who like it, not with people who don’t. Really dude, ask yourself, “If I hate Fringe, why am I on this website?” That’s all I said. If that’s me being rude, then you’re just a wee bit too sensitive for the internet.

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                  • Dylan says

                    Let’s carve off a lot of the fluff you’ve included there are get down to the real issue at hand.

                    You are insulting users. In no such setting is that kind of behaviour acceptable.

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                    • Ian S. says

                      He’s not being rude. He’s simply saying he doesn’t like hearing negativity all the time from someone. It’s a statement, and opinion. This isn’t some preschool, Brian can speak his mind, as long as he’s not personally attacking the other person with legitimate insults (trolling is not an insult by the way).

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      • Dylan says

        I’m loving this whole “conform or get out” discussion here. Very…diplomatic.

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    • M says

      It’s just a show, people. Don’t fight. Let’s all have some licorice and call it a day.

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    • Chey says

      Well I like Darth Kate’s post. I feel like the posts are purposful and go against the grain to challenge popular thought. I have grown to enjoy Darth Kate’s posts. Sorry Kate but I can only do 1 and 3. I wont whine cause your not a meanie poo poo head

      Fringe will just have to find a way to continue past season 5

      :)

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      • lost_stef says

        Every single week i come on hear and every single week its Darth Kate & Dylan vs Everyone else. we have come to expect it. Seriously responding to them makes their day, so why bother giving them the satisfaction.

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        • June08 says

          Well said lost_stef, Darth Kate and Dylan are attention seekers and their constant judgemental attitude, criticizing and whining is tiresome and pointless.

          They could be one and the same person, who knows?

          One thing for sure, I will stop reading their posts for now on and stop give them the attention they seem to so long for and surely don’t deserve IMO.

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      Darth Kate
      I like almost all of your coments, because people HAVE TO EXPRESS their opinions, if other’s like it or not. So far, internet was relativly safe place not to be a cowardish hypocrite, that blindly follows someone popular (and no, everybody, I’m not following Kate, I just agree with her).
      And I hope that reply doesn’t make the third least popular person here.

      But I might be wrong, since I was once kicked out of the room during a discussion, for being to rude.

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  16. Liz says

    Well, that was like happy end, so unfringey :) almost felt like the end of show.
    Fortunately, writers have 13 hours to wrap up main hole in the story.

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  17. nic says

    I don’t get some of you guys. If everything is so totally pointless why do you watch?
    More to the point, if you don’t like anything, why spout off around here and spoil it for those of us who actually enjoy the show.

    Nic

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    • Dylan says

      It’s called opinion. And according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, everyone’s entitled to one.

      I don’t see why someone can’t voice their honest opinion on a blogging website created in order to discuss a specific television show. And I certainly don’t see why conformity is suddenly the answer to everything.

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      • Ian S. says

        Because sometimes if you have nothing nice to say, like every comment, it’s best not say anything at all…

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        • Dylan says

          That’s what the comment policy is for.

          Every post is conditional upon the agreement that it follows what is stated in the comment policy. Anything that the policy does not cover, is permitted.

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  18. LastManInSpace says

    20 minutes later and I’m growing ever more pissed off. WHY THE HELL did they not have Letters of Transit as the season finale? That episode foreshadows so much of the finale it’s ridiculous

    Just laid down the law with the hubby and told him I’d be moving LoT to the end of the season. He will thank me later.

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    • Ian S. says

      LoT was such an oddball, it really had no place in this season. It shouldn’t have been a finale, or any other episode. I think it should have been the premiere episode to season 5, which would be so cool.

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      • Ian S. says

        I might tell new viewers (I’ve recruited 2!) to skip LoT until after season 4, as you are.

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    • Rick Terry says

      They put LoT in as 419 to satisfy the oddball 19th eppy tradition. They also had a pretty reasonable assumption that this would be the final season even though they hoped it wouldn’t be. So having said all that, they kinda gave us the epilogue before the end. This finale really did seem like a series finale the way it played, and had that been its fate then we all would be like; Ok I see what they did there. LoT was what happened after. So The Fringe team lives on sort of. But now that they got renewed they can delve into that story and now resolve it maybe. Don’t be surprised if Liv dies before the ending of Fringe next season, because now her story is mainly finished, It’s now gonna become the Etta show.

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        • says

          It makes sense to me, as I wrote it after the ep19 of 4th season.

          If they get renewed and maintain interest from the fans/gain new ones, I expect the next season to be a combination of fringe/etta’s birth and events that lead to occupation by observers and events we saw in ep19.

          They could be planning a new show where Etta leads the resistance, or the Fringe could just transform in the potential 6th season which could be about Etta and observers with most of the (old main) characters showing up to fill the story and connect it to the old Fringe series.

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      • D says

        Hmm, unless they got have to reduce Torv’s screen time to meet lower budget (or because Torv wants out for any reason), I think a better outcome would be to continue to focus on the team we know and love working on ways to avoid the 2036 future — and the show can end with Olivia and Peter leading a truly normal life with their (almost) normal daughter. No doubt Etta’s prenatal exposure to Cortexiphan will be a plot element — I think that’s behind Olivia’s trepidation when telling Peter about the pregnancy.

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      • corazondeazul says

        If Olivia dies it will ruin Fringe for me. I’d rather Peter die. LOOKING AT YOU, DARTH KATE. (Even though I completely disagree with you about almost everything, your comments are amusing and often thought-provoking, stick around!) Anyway, that would actually be sort of cool if he made the ultimate sacrifice for her, and definitely more satisfying than Olivia dying AGAIN.

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        • SissySiri says

          What???? Peter die???? I hope to God he does not. I think we can tell from this finale that the writes know that the fans want a somewhat happy ending. They do not want to make the same mistake that was made with Lost.

          P/O, Walter, Astrid, Nina and Broyles have to be there at the end. Why does someone always have to die? What is that?

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  19. Zakray says

    Sorry you didn’t enjoy it Darth Kate. After the month I’ve had I enjoyed watching some science related miracles and a temporary happy ending.

    I understand some of your arguments however, someone from the 18th century would think a television or a cellphone was magic. So who are we to decide what we aren’t capable of.

    I loved watching P/O working together again it’s been a while.

    Of course now we know where Etta’s bullet on chain came from.

    I can’t wait to watch it again!

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  20. Maris says

    I really enjoyed very much this episode. I was almost eating all my nails during the show! I need to say, some points was very cliche, but still I love the episode! I don’t care, I scream a lot, and drew tears out of my eyes. I love this episode so much!!!!

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  21. Brian says

    I agree with what some of you guys are saying. It was a good finale, but I was disappointed. I expected so much more. This season has been fantastic and I went into this finale thinking “This is it. The entire season, probably the entire series, has been leading up to this,” and it didn’t live up to my own hype. I wanted something more; something that would bring us back all the way to the previous seasons and surprise me; a revelation. Unfortunately, there wasn’t one. Yes we got several answers, but the outcome of the episode was already shown in “Letters of Transit” and other episodes. That being said, there were some great moments in this episode and I still look forward to season five.

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  22. Darth Kate says

    You know what? That’s it.

    I’d like to congratulate the writers of this show on successfully chasing away yet another of their very few remaining viewers. The plot holes, contrivances, butchery of beloved characters, and flagrant disrespect for the collective intelligence of the audience has finally defeated me. I weep for the talented cast, who has largely been wasted this season, and for the supreme example of quality entertainment that this show once was. I will not be watching season five or purchasing season four.

    As for Fringebloggers,

    Enjoy season five. You asked for more and you deserve it.

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    • willg says

      Come on Kate. I know you are frustrated now, but take some time with it. I think when things settle down you will at least want to finish it out. It is only thirteen episodes. :(

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        • willg says

          Come on guys. We shouldn’t try to drive anybody out. We all had different expectations for what the show is or what it has become. We should all have a voice here as long as we are being fair and honest about what were saying. Ease off of Kate a bit.

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          • Brian says

            I didn’t realize I was being hateful or personally attacking anyone. Enlighten me please.

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            • Dylan says

              “love without that one troll who refuses to stop complaining about EVERYTHING”

              Who are you to determine that Darth Kate is a troll? Through my observations, Kate has provided both positive and negative feedback regarding episodes all season. You determine who to be this because she has a different opinion to your own, and then you infer that things would improve with her departure.

              A view of hatred? A personal attack? It fits my definition, but I guess the moderators will make the final determination.

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              • willg says

                Agreed Dylan. Kate is definitely not a troll. I think people are way too revved up tonight and she is kind a getting ganged up on a bit. She has things to contribute to these discussions. People on here need to chill.

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              • Brian says

                I got ya. So because she agrees with you, she’s all good, but because I disagree with you both I’m hateful and personally attacking people. Is that right? I didn’t ask anyone to leave, I didn’t insult anyone. I didn’t tell Kate she’s an awful human being, she’s rather hilarious most of the time and even if I don’t agree with her a lot, a dissenting opinion is never a bad thing and I never said as such. But she’s talking about how everyone hates her and she’s not allowed to have an opinion, and my advice for her is that she shouldn’t come onto a blog about Fringe (a place full of Fringe fans, mind you) and gripe over and over about how bad it is. She’s allowed to express an opinion and so am I. Peace out Alex.

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                • Dylan says

                  You labelled someone as a troll. When not warranted (and justified), it’s an insult.

                  Yes, you are entitled to an opinion. However, posting on this website is conditional upon the fact that you adhere to the comment policy.

                  In this example, you did not. You are not in the right here, Brian. And no amount of diversion is going to hide this.

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                  • Ian S. says

                    Dylan, it was the season finale, a rather fantastic episode, and we just got a lot of complaints from Kate and it really just revved some people up, like Brian and I. Brian didn’t insult her in any way, and when “troll” is in the dictionary as a legitimate modern insult, then he can be bombarded with some insult policy, but it isn’t, might never be, and he didn’t insult her.

                    Kate – Nice knowing you, and I agree with your choice as this is not the show or place for you anymore I think. Happy hunting for a new show and may it satisfy you in ways Fringe never could, you have a hungry stomach.

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                    • Dylan says

                      You two are no better than bullies.

                      To condone such labeling is an appalling way to treat your fellow bloggers.

                      Nerd. Dork. Freak. They may be by definition, but the words sting all the same.

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        • Red Balloon says

          Really guys??, She’s entitled to say whatever she wants because she’s demonstrated that she actually pays attention watching every single minute of Fringe for the last 4 years; so whatever her take on things, she’s earned the right to have an opinion of the show she’s been watching just as you have, even if it’s not of your liking.

          I haven’t seen the episode yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if what Kate is describing actually happened. There wasn’t enough build and there wasn’t room for many surprising events. So I’ll comment on this tomorrow.

          And just so you know, I hope to see Kate’s opinions when season 5 strikes. I hope she sticks until the end.

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    • Dylan says

      While I’m sitting here waiting for the episode to load, I’m beginning to worry that this is the end….

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    • cc says

      @ finale:
      Walter – on Spock’s ark – with the revolver.

      Now that that’s all done, can we please forget that season 4 ever existed and sail off back to the future?

      @ Darth Kate and Dylan
      I regret your leaving but I do understand. I’ve been an on and off reader of this forum and I was a truly dedicated overseas fan of this show. Seriously… this show was my new Buffy. Until they ruined everything. Being a writer myself I totally support keeping things fresh and also know how hard it can be. But destroying everything I cared about for three years because it never happened. I’m sorry…it was not an original idea. It was TV-suicide and it broke my heart. But I didn’t wanna give up because of the superb cast but my personal breaking point was when they gave us Olivia’s memories back with “I THINK IT’S CALLED LOVE”. I mean… yay for the shippers. But Walter loved Peter so much that he was willing to destroy universes for him. And he can’t remember his son or the original timeline???? PLEASE!!!!!
      So… I actually threw stuff around and stopped watching until a friend of mine told me to check out ep 19. And I – very unwillingly – did.

      Maybe it was pure frustration or the mere fact that ANYTHING’S BETTER THAN THE YELLOW TIMELINE. (Okay… it’s still gonna be the yellow timeline, but in a completely new setting.) At first I laughed hysterically at the observer’s invasion. But after having digested that my show is now officially a scifi show I kinda pushed the reboot to zero button in my head and I’ve decided to give it another final chance. Also Walter getting his “original brain” back is a brilliant idea. Couldn’t they have done that in season 4 for dramatic character alteration???? MAYBE????

      So to end this post that’s gotten way too long. I’m going to watch season 5. Because it has to be better than season 4. It just has to be.

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      Please stay Kate.
      Fringebloggers are going to be very boring without you. And c’mon, season 4 is over, we should be celebrating! Can’t you find your inner masohist and watch just those 13 episodes?

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  23. willg says

    Preliminary reaction; it was good not great. I have to agree with Kate in that we learned nothing new or were not very surprised about anything. I was waiting till the last second for a crazy cliffhanger but it never came. It’s ok though, I think my expectations were way too high for it. Not necessarily a bad thing though. I do think when they were making this they were anticipating this being the finale however so it seemed a little too wrapped up. I think they wanted to go a different way from season three and avoid the OMG moment especially with the possible looming cancellation (that never happened thank God!). I am way looking forward to season five however. I do love this show.

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    • Rae says

      I think, overall, for a season finale of Fringe, it lacked the dramatical surprise of past seasons simply because the writers were unsure yet of the show’s future. That being said, i don’t think it was a terrible finale, or one to be frowned upon in any sense. It did tie up alot of loose ends quite nicely, and still, at the end, wrapped up everything else that we wanted in a nice shiny bow.

      Now that we do know this brilliant show it coming back, I’m going to liken this to the calm before the sh*t storm of all time….lol…

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  24. willg says

    When Olivia got shot and then they took the bullet out of her head and then we saw the gang waiting in the hospital I thought to myself; watch they are going to make Olivia forget everyone because of the brain trauma.

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  25. M says

    I thought it was fantastic. It left me with a lot to think about, and Walter shooting Olivia in the head was jaw-dropping. Even more so than when his doppelganger did it last year ;)

    The Season 3 finale is still the best, but I gave this a 10. It tied things up nicely and felt like a series finale. So when do we get Season 5?

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    • Maris says

      True, and I need to say that I never screamed so much in my life for a show, especially when he shoot her, oh my poor neighbors ! ;)

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  26. Rae says

    Wow.

    This was like the completion of a movie that got stuck in my player for seven days.

    It truly is amazing how this show takes us around and around, only to find itself full circle in the end. Welcome to Westfield has to be my third favorite episode this season, and to see all the callbacks this episode has toward it, was definitely a treat. It, besides Wallflower, was accused of being a standalone episode, but clearly, again, it was merely an hour of hidden components. We found out that the amphilicite this whole season was a poor man’s Olivia Dunham, that it, in essence, substituted the power source Olivia becomes when Cortexiphan is running rampant and extenstive, in her system. All the experiments done up until know by DRJ, with the mineral powering them, were to see if Olivia truly could provide Bell with the expenditure he needed.

    Huh, makes you wonder if Olivia was, in fact, forged centuries ago by the hands of God in the same way the mineral was forged in the crusty earth of God’s creation. *think cap*

    Turns out, WTW was a key clue towards this climax afterall. Bell hides his ‘ark’ in the center of the ‘hurricane’ the ‘eye of the storm’ that Peter and Walter predicted, episodes ago, would be a shield from destruction. Of course, we used Nina in the episode, instead of Walter, to verbally explain these types of conclusions, or answers, so to speak. And that Peter could see the ‘ark’ and none of the others could, brings us back to what Bell had told Olivia in season one, that she’d “..need Peter by her side…”. Being that this was a warning from Bell, an almost helpful hint at the time, brings me back to my theory that there may, in fact, have been two Bells at work here. The one in this past string of episodes being the more maniacal, alternate version of course, the ‘evil’ one, if you will. Or maybe I’d simply like to believe that we haven’t seen the last of ‘not crazy, humanitarian good intentions and is truly best friends with Wallie’ Bell. But, that could just be my hope talking.

    If not, then there’s something to be said that power makes man crazy. This Bell was definitely off his rocker, and it was clear it in the looks Walter was giving him, that the older Bishop thought so too. It was also a full circle answer to find out why it was Dr. Paris removed parts of Walter’s brain, that this ‘God complex’ was what Walter had discoverd all along, makes perfect sense at the end of the day. Walter, clearly, has always been more compassionate, more…human then Bell in his thinking because of his love for his son, so to hear that Walter wanted it removed because of his ‘softer side’, also made perfect sense.

    God, there’s so much more to say about the amazing-ness of this episode, that I can hardly decipher through my own excitement. I’ll start with the fact that we finally know how September got shot. Though, it was considerably less dramatic then I’d pictured it would be, it was satisfying for me none-the-less. And what is this about ancient (apparently non-ancient runes) that can capture the Observer? Is this, indeed, a pictorial, written form of the vibrations that can contain these scientists inside the Beacon? I suppose this is something we’ll find out more about next season. All this being said, that September had not yet viewed the future as I supposed he would have by this episode, was a great mislead. I’d always assumed by the season finale we’d know what he truly meant, but even that he didn’t, was a really, really cool realization, and again, another lead into what season five could bring.

    Olivia, you and your super-human powers are going to be the death of me. Not only did you Jedi Mind trick your baby’s daddy, you Matrix-ed the bullets that would have shot said baby’s daddy’s rescuer twenty-something years ago. And all because of a drug that was shot into your system twenty-something years ago. You truly are the greatest achievement of the Bishop-Bell minds. Too bad that you’re going to have to use the expanse of your power to heal yourself and then ultimately, it’ll be flushed out of your system. At least though, you’ll finally get your wish, you’ll finally have it out of you and you can spend your normal life with the love of your life who gets trapped in Amber for twenty-something years after your daughter’s four and you’re no where to be found. But hey, at least you’ll get four years in Brookline to have that lovey-dovey family life you always wanted. *squish*

    Isn’t it amazing to note too, that in The Day We Died, it was Walternate that shot Olivia in the future of 2026, and here, it was Walter. Perhaps not every future is so off course, that it’s unrecognizable when it does finally happen? Interesting, that even then, it was an iteration of Walter that ultimately, kills Olivia. Here though, as I’m sure we’d all predicted in the last episode’s lemon cake scene, the cortexiphan in Olivia’s calcified brain tissue was able to ‘heal’ her. And thank you Walter, for making that clear to us who, perhaps, weren’t so clued in in the last eppy. On top of this, Peter killed me in that scene. JJ, you’ve been on your game this WHOLE season, and this just topped off your ability to cry on cue. I almost died from the pain you emitted. Even your whole “…don’t touch her!” to Walter was heartbreaking! And Wallie, it was very, very clear here how much you care about your Olive, and that it killed you too, because you knew you had no choice, tore the rest of my heart out of it’s conclave. Pretty sure it was just a big empty cavity by the end of this scene.

    All this in account, I highly doubt it’s stopped Bellie for good. Of course, we know that this is the mystery underlying our emerge into season five, why, Belly shows up again, and how, of course, will be what we’ll have to wrap our minds around during the summer hiatus. This being said, I’m wondering if the realizations of this episode is what Walter was referring to in his comment to Astrid in “Letters of Transit”. If this, ‘using Olivia to power the destruction of world’s’ is truly the ill will William showed toward our Dunhamator, or if there’s something else that follows. Will be interesting to understand this better come fall. It’s probable to assume too, that the bullet retrieved from Olivia, is the one Etta later fingers on the chain around her neck. Why her parents would feel it relevant to give her such a token is mystery to me. Perhaps it has something to do with the following hospital visit and the incumbent congratulatory news.

    This show just makes me giggle a bit every time something we’ve already predicted is verified verbally, be it through Walter or Nina or Peter..or even William Bell. Convenient as some may find them, I blame it more on time constraints then the writer’s laziness to fully explain the pulp of predicament. For instance, Olivia being the power source for Bell’s God complex, Peter’s sole ability to see Bell’s ‘ship’, Olivia’s wolverine-esque healing power, and then Peter and Olivia becoming some version of ‘Adam and Eve’ are all things we’d guessed, and ultimately, were all verified in the end by a character’s say-so. Though, the Adam and Eve thing is still questionable given none of it would make sense now that Bell’s ‘creation’ can no longer exist thanks to Olivia ‘dying’, but…this is Fringe, and you never know the true meaning of things until…well, we find out later.

    How cool is it, too, that Peter knew to question Jessica while she was already six-feet-under, technically? Like father like son, when that scene came around, and I, personally, couldn’t have smiled any wider. This season, I’ve grown a new appreciation for his character, and this just made me flail even more. Enter Nina then, and I was about jumping out of my chair. Though, I have to admit, the whole ‘demon’ almost aspect of Jessica’s ‘re-mergence’, freaked me out a bit. Especially with her un-balanced eyes. I was almost half-expecting pea-soup to grace my screen at any moment. That it didn’t was a blessing, and all I could come away with at the end was ‘only Fringe could get away with this’. And, IMO, it did. Scary and oddly freaky as it was, it progressed the story in a pseudo science way.

    Dear Peter and Olive, we knew three episodes ago what you two were doing when you were off screen, and as much as we’d like to say your happy news was a surprise, yeah, it kinda wasn’t. Anyway, it was very, very cute to see you two share in the happiness after Peter found the house you’ll raise her in until the real bad guys come. Trust me, they’ll be a lot of fanfiction to color your blissful time together until then. And you guys were so cute in this eppy! From the coffee scene, the the hospital one, you two were the cute couple we’ve been wanting to see since season three. Good for you guys. You deserve it. Especially after that scorpion baby incident a couple years back…*cringe*

    We came full circle here, too, with Olivia’s views on her own past, of all the things Bell’s been doing to her since age five, and to hear that she understands she’s still being used was something we’ve known this whole time. I always like when personal struggle is brought up on screen. It progresses the characters, defines their actions, thoughts and reasoning that you wouldn’t otherwise understand. It was just a finite conclusion, here somehow, in this sense, and to hear her give credence to it was something I’ve been waiting for. And that Peter reminds her that she’s not alone was just another ‘aww’ moment.

    Though I’ve had my suspicions, after these past two episodes, it’s clear to see that it’s Peter’s optimism that keeps Olivia grounded, hopeful in her desire to keep on fighting for a future that can, actually, if you imagine hard enough, get better. Together, they’re the perfect balance for each other. Goes to show you that two worlds, can indeed, harmonize together beautifully.

    General Broyles, I salute you. You’ve earned your new title for the past four years, and now the government finally sees it. And you even get your own science team that Nina’s going to head! How lucky are you? It’s almost as great as hearing you’re having a baby with the woman who your father just shot, but isn’t really dead! Good for you man, I just wanted to reach out and hug you!

    All in all, I loved this finale. Wyman and Pinkner were right, it would have been satisfying for a series finale, and still, would have held up to the mystery that this show defines itself by. If we wouldn’t have gotten a season five, we’d be able to explore September’s ‘they’ by other artistic means. It’s so wonderful now though, that we can see, hopefully, the time of the purge and it’s subsequent consequence, play out next season.

    It’s anyone’s guess where and when at what time it’ll premiere, but I, for one, am going to be waiting four plus months anxiously excited for the next chapter of this awesome story!

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    • rafa says

      “Trust me, they’ll be a lot of fanfiction to color your blissful time together until then.”
      HAHAHHA LOVED THAT
      i felt the same way about the episode. was it “cliffhangerish”? no. but it wrapped things up, which is more important in this time of the story than to create new overcomplicated storylines.
      because you know, even if we knew that those things that happened were going to happen anyway, this is still, well, FRINGE. usually, nothing as it seems. according to my experience with the series, things could have turned a whole new different way, so the writers had to do a sf like that, just to confirm the story.

      for me the best of the episode was how it was so deeply emotional for the characters. C’mon, you gotta have guts to shot your daughter-in-law to-be in her forehead. For the characters, her survival wasnt a certain thing. Very deeply and truly emotional. I liked that very much.

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      • Rae says

        It’s true, to those seeking an adrenaline fueled closuhttp://www.merriam-webster.com/re, this wasn’t necessarily for them. I think the point of this episode was to round out what roots the show in the first place; the love and emotional entanglements between the characters. Be them Olivia and Peter, Peter and Walter, Walter and Bell and even Septemeber and our duo.

        I think the point of this episode was really to give light to all the emotion that under-courses every decision made on this show. This episode shows us that love, in all is many forms, defines the way we act, and how we choose to be. Even it it’s a crazy, disillusioned kind of self-serving love, ultimately, the Big ‘L’ word writes our futures for us.

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        • Rae says

          I don’t know what the hell tag just got posted in there. WTF? God, my cache has a mind of its own sometimes, sorry…

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      • 134sc says

        What I think people may be missing (myself included), is that whats preventing us from thinking the episode is ok or good as opposed to great or amazing, is that because what happened was kinda predictable, we may be losing sight that the characters went through hell and back. The stakes were high as well as the emotion; Walter had to KILL Olivia, in front of Peter, in order to save 2 feaking universes. With NO guarantee that she would live. Could you imagine having to make that decision?

        And Peter had to watch Walter shoot Olivia, knowing why his father did it, but still obviously shocked and effected when Olivia is killed. Imagine what he must have felt?

        So when reviewing the episode, it was at its core about the characters. On re-watch, I predict some of us will think the episode was much better than we initially thought.

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    • Maris says

      I completely love what you write, really well done!! Don’t need to say that I agree with you! Well done, you are really good with words!!!

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    • willg says

      Great analysis Rae. Really good job. I was waiting for you to way in on your opinion of the epi.

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      • Rae says

        I just loved it so much, you have no idea! Was some of it predictable?, sure, but the helicopter scene made up for it. And Peter’s …”You’re not the only one who gets to carry a gun.” God, I wanted that since season one! lol….

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    • Hsa says

      Thank you so much rae. Your analysis is as good as roco’s reviews. I appreciate your wIllingness to share your insights? Sorry about typing….using iPad.

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    • Roneo says

      Rae, I just wanted to say “thanks” for your comment. Not only because I agree 100% with you, but mainly for the love in it: love for the show, for the characters, for their stories. Flawed as all of them can be, they make Fringe what it is, and what I so much enjoyed.

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    • says

      “Though I’ve had my suspicions, after these past two episodes, it’s clear to see that it’s Peter’s optimism that keeps Olivia grounded, hopeful in her desire to keep on fighting for a future that can, actually, if you imagine hard enough, get better. Together, they’re the perfect balance for each other. Goes to show you that two worlds, can indeed, harmonize together beautifully. ” Rae

      Hi Rae! I was waiting to hear from you; and as usual, you articulated my feelings plus some. Thank you.

      Your comment above stood out to me because you can even look back to “Subject 13″. It was Peter who encouraged young Olivia to trust Walter. He tried to reassure her . . . ‘if you can dream a better world, you can make a better world’ (or something like that :)).

      I am so happy how this episode ended; it worked just as well as a series final. Actually, I’m a bit scared (as well as excited) to see where season 5 takes our team, especially Olivia. Is she really going to die this time? You know, I’m not going to think about it. I will just rest in the notion that they (P/O) are together and awaiting the arrival of a little pumpkin named Etta. :)

      Loved loved loved this episode.

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      • Rae says

        Oh me too, there were so many aspects about it that made it undeniably Fringe-y, in my book. From the plot of collapsing universes, to a narcissistic madman’s insane intent, to Jessica’s demon-esque eye movement, it was all very, very well executed.

        Not to mention the emotional entanglements that have made this show the wonderful roller coaster ride that it is. And so much, I felt Olivia and Peter’s ‘togetherness’ that it permeated through my tellie screen and yanked hard on my heart strings. Talk about chemistry, what I saw last night takes the lemon cake over any episode prior. (pun intended) :) ANd of course there was Wallie’s love for his Olive that makes the ‘extraction’ scene so delicate. I have to admit, this is maybe my favorite scene of the series so far, and trust me, I have numerous and plenty of those. Of last night’s episode, I’ve re-watched this part the most. There’s something to be said for the kind of acted emotion that you can feel radiating under your own skin. This scene was so beautiful and spectacular, that I want to cry along with both Bishops. Even though I knew, in my heart, it would work, I just wanted to break out the water works cause, gosh darnit, I can.

        That being said, the hospital scene was stunning as well. I suppose I never truly realized before this season how much chemistry is behind a believable love story, but JJ and AT really know how to pull it off effortlessly. I noticed even in the last eppy, during the table scene, just how soft it is they look at each other when they’re given such moments. Not for the first time this season I remember thinking “wow, this is amazing sh**!” lol. I don’t know, maybe this is the reason why I’ve nothing bad to say about season four.

        For me, from start to finish, this year has given us nothing but a wonderful progression of an already captivating story. Personally, I think the characters grew deeper entwined then the opposite. And even all the obstacles the faced *cough*F***ed-up timeline*cough*, ultimately made us see just how much they all need each other, and just how fortunate they are to in the end, find themselves in a place where they can say, “We made it, together.” And I feel, as all four of them were together in that hospital, that this is exactly the statement they were silently making.

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    • shidey17 says

      Oh, Rae. I was going to post but now I don’t need to. Thank you for the beautiful summary and observations.

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      • Rae says

        I do it just for you guys, honestly. *blush*

        Really though, it’s great that so many fellow Fringies share my viewpoint. It’s a treat to know I’m not the only exuberant fan to be flailing over this season’s progression.

        Truth be told, it’s disconcerting to come on here, and see the first comments posted are negative ones…it’s why I like to add my positive, and perhaps, over-overwhelmingly excited two cents. If only to help balance this place out.

        Really, I can’t put into significant enough words how much I adore these characters and this world. No matter what, I’ll always back the writer’s genius and proudly stand in their cleverly devised corner, be it frowned upon by others or not.

        I’ll tell you what though, I’ll miss coming in here every Saturday morning to post. And I’ll miss all you guys. :(

        Besides, it’s not like I’ll be off spending the summer break writing fanfic or anything…lol ;)

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        • Maris says

          Your posts are so amazing, I really like the way you see the events!
          You really have a way with words, and is very good to read what you have to say !
          So congratulations for your post! I really like them a lot! ;) :)

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    • cc says

      great post!

      Eventhough I didn’t like the overall arc of season 4 I acknowledge the writing craft. I never would have expected that the eye of the storm would be relevant again. Or that any of the other “stand-alones” were building up to this. So good job there.

      Now please give us the epic ending this show deserves.

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      • matt says

        maybe etta got the bullet because her being in liv at the time had something to do with her powers or concentrating or focusing them or something nuts? i dunno a guess

        but I’m really excited to find out more about the runes (i hope it has something vaguely to do with the ancient temple in mexico with a glyph on it in one of the FRINGE comics or something like that, I always got the impression ancient cultures that were actually from elsewhere/elsewhen had something to do with all of this, and Sam Weiss maybe?)

        I agree strange Sept hasn’t seen the future, it’s cool in the story as it is now that observers can do things in the future without themselves in the past knowing it or because they’re travelling around in time not everything is linear like it is to us BUT as most of our observer info so far, it kinda takes away from the (all powerfulness/omniscience/alien or different from us-ness of the) character the way mike cerveris created it in Season 1. my season 1 self with all my questions watching the arrival 20 million times is slightly disappointed if I’m honest

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  27. Rae says

    Dare I forget to mention Astrid’s heartache over losing Walter? Gawd, that killed me too! She really does consider her a dear friend, and she cares for him so much, it makes her cry. I mean, just AWW!! And that she apologized to Peter for it? Oh Astrid, we love you!!!

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    • says

      Yeah, I forgot about little Astrid . . . she broke my heart. She is truly a part of the family. I always think of her as Peter’s little sister.

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    • Maris says

      Despite that we know that Astrid was going to survive, I was beyond happy when I so she was OK. And her crying because she couldn’t protect Walter really breaks my heart.
      Oh how am I kidding, that episode in some parts make my feelings fly out of a window!!

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  28. M says

    I think Walter knew Astrid’s name all these years and he’s just been screwing with her.

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  29. Rae says

    Effing typos and auto correction drive me crazy…sorry guys. My damn OS always think it knows better then me what I’m trying to say. lmao.

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  30. Dylan says

    I find it disgraceful how everyone is treating each other on here tonight.

    I’m shocked at the number of you who must sit their at their computers with enough nerve to think that you can attack users and control opinions and still think of yourself as being in the right.

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    • Yippee says

      There is a difference between criticizing an episode and makin smart alecky comments in every single post that you make. It doesn’t make much sense to write negative comment after negative comment.

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      • JM says

        I agree Dylan even though I dont always agree with Kates comments that dosent mean I would write some of the replys that have been on here.

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        • Dylan says

          It appears that tonight a lot of users have decided to unveil their true feelings. What has been said goes beyond a mere disagreement of opinions; these people genuinely don’t like one another, and show no hesitation in posting about it.

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      • Dylan says

        Equally disgraceful is that some, rather than acknowledge this wrong-doing, choose to engage in a game of balancing evils.

        I won’t tolerate any of it – regardless of the degrees.

        And Yippee, there exists a difference between criticizing an episode and criticizing a user.

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  31. Maris says

    Oh My God, forget SuperMan, just call Olivia Dunham !!!!!!!!!!!!! Her and her powers, I need to say that I love that!!!!

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      I loved that too, beside Mr. Spock it was the only good thing about this episode.

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  32. FinChase says

    I’m going to have to do a full rewatch of the entire season very soon. I have t say that it’s not my favorite season, but there is a lot of good stuff here, and I think it will be interesting to watch it again and see the things I missed the first time through.

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    • shidey17 says

      Totally agree with you. I want to go back and look for the hints of what the ultimate endgame was – it will be soothing to see they were there the whole time.

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  33. 134sc says

    Honestly I dont know how I feel about the episode. Or season four for that matter.

    Both had great moments, but…i dunno.

    I think that the episode was very anticlimatic. A lot of what happened we knew would happen. In some televsion/film that is a good story telling device…but I don’t know if it worked in this case (but then we wouldn’t have got LOT so…).

    I think this will be better on my series re-watch when this is all over. Im glad it not over yet tho.

    As for season 4, I don’t think it was as good as seasons 1-3. But I will be honest, I have only watched those episodes once, so there is a good chance that I missed a lot of what season 4 was trying to accomplish near the end continuity wise. Apparently this episode was supposed to answer all of the questions, but to be honest it just left me confused. I have read in the comments that Bell was always a bad guy, and different circumstances just brought it out of him in this season. Also that the ZFT was about the collapsing of the universes. This both may be true (and I will do a complete series rewatch after next season), but as of now, it feels like Bell’s turn came out of nowhere, and that many questions were left unanswered.

    O as for next season, I still mantain that the observers wanted Peter gone so that they could take over with ease. No Etta, no Fringe team as we know it. But when he reapeared, with no logical explanation, the observers said to hell with it and took over anyway. If this is in season 5 in any way, I will probably appreciate season 4 way more. Becuase correct me if im wrong, there was no explaination as to why the observers wanted Peter gone. Cuz remember what September said to Peter, he had a chance to make it right, and I believe he was refering to Etta and saving the world from the observer invasion.

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    • number six says

      No, there was no explanation why the Observers (except for September) wanted Peter gone, so your theory is a very good one.

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    • Ian S. says

      I read the Beyond the Fringe comics, and Peter disappeared basically because of a confusing, intricate plot where either him, or the machine, was dependant on the other’s existence. It turns out that it was Peter, and that as long as the machine existed, he could not, so to restore balance he died as a child. I also think i read somewhere that the producers confirmed that erasing Peter was not the Observers intent, it was a side effect of activating the machine.

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      • Leonardo Souza says

        I understood that they erased him because of the birth of Henry, whom would never exist it September didn’t interfered before.

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      • Fringe Fan says

        And if Peter is important in initiating the resistance towards the Observer’s regime, Peter’s erasure at the end of Season 3 must have made the observers very happy which is why they were angry at September for interfering and having a role in bringing Peter back.

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    • shidey17 says

      ” I have read in the comments that Bell was always a bad guy, and different circumstances just brought it out of him in this season. Also that the ZFT was about the collapsing of the universes. This both may be true (and I will do a complete series rewatch after next season), but as of now, it feels like Bell’s turn came out of nowhere, and that many questions were left unanswered.”

      I have to do a rewatch, but I still think it’s possible that Bell wanted to collapse the universes to prevent the Observer takeover. If you read the ZFT Manifesto and listen to what Grayson said TRNT, it seems like ZFT is looking to prevent this. I guess Bell felt the need to try to thwart the Observer takeover in the most extreme way though…

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  34. JM says

    I didn’t not like it.

    But it just highlighted the fact that the only reason they did the reset was to get out of baby henry and the “love triangle”. Because they have just “glossed over” (jacksons words) all the relationships between the characters, we are just meant to believe their all back to the way they were before, this was exemplified in the scene in astrids hospital room and the closeness between Peter and Astrid which has obviously come to pass off screen. Im willing to go along with that because I like their relationship, but im not sure i appreciate the laziness of it.

    I think the P/O scenes were well done, but they could have benefitted with less “epic” music it just adds to the cringiness.

    Admittedly i was not expecting Olivia to get shot, so they did shock me with that one and walter digging in her head was gory as hell. Although it was set in stone she would come back to life this episode or next season (and im very grateful they didnt do that next season that would have just been laborious)

    They continue to beat us round the head with their dialogue this season. Prime suspects being: “Atleast now we know how you got shot”, “i guess he was right, in every timeline you have to die” I hope there is no more of that in season 5.

    I still have high hopes for season 5, but they should get better writers…..

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    • JM says

      I prefer to think of season 4 a major detour from what made fringe great, they still have a chance to make season 5 amazing and thats why im sticking around and I hope Dylan and Darth kate do aswell.

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    • number six says

      “But it just highlighted the fact that the only reason they did the reset was to get out of baby henry and the “love triangle”.”

      You are very probably right and I admit the only thing I’m glad about is that there is no baby. Henry was a horrible idea from the beginning and this elaborate way to get rid of that plot device is enough indication that the writers also realized it was a mistake. I’m not sure the love triangle was part of it, since Olivia was finally able to live with it, but the baby was a real problem. That would have meant too much time filming a baby and the whole melodrama.

      I wish they got rid of him in a different way, but I guess they don’t have the guts to just kill off a baby on network TV.

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      • nic says

        You do realize that the purpose of baby Henry was so that Walternate had the DNA to activate the machine (since he didn’t have Peter) – which provided the momentum to move the story forward to the season 3 conclusion.
        It was never just about the love triangle and an unwanted baby.

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        • Red Balloon says

          I’m sure Walternate could’ve obtained Peter’s DNA from when he was around him: he stayed at his house with Eliznate and all. I believe even Brandonate kept his clothes to see if it had any…they could’ve worked with that. I think Baby Henry’s plot was more to soften Altivia, and I believe it worked a little, but at the end it remains a complicated and unnecessary risky plot.

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    • Page 48 says

      “But it just highlighted the fact that the only reason they did the reset was to get out of baby henry and the “love triangle”. ”

      The reset was also used to:

      -convert Alt-Liv from conniving beeyatch into soft and cuddly redheaded rainbow loving bunny
      -convert Walternate from Doctor Evil into warm and fuzzy (or soft and cuddly if you want to go there) grandpa-to-be.
      -kill Cool Linc and give Square Linc a shot at some Alt-Liv Luv
      -cancel out Henry the Cabbie’s heroic efforts
      -convert martyred-hero Broylnate’s smoldering, dismembered remains into a living, breathing Prisoner of the State.
      -give DRJ a chance to die another day
      -give Nina the daughter she never had
      -burn off a season

      The reset is the gift that keeps on giving.

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  35. number six says

    Holy Cheesus! That was the most hilarious episode of the series, if only because of that scene with brain dead Jessica.

    Was that Senator Van Horn giving Broyles the title of General?

    So Walter saved the universes and Olivia, just like Peter did last season. Even without Letters of Transit, it was obvious Olivia would live, because Walter shot her 10 minutes before the end, just like Future Olivia did in the S3 finale.

    I think Leonard Nimoy did a great job with this version of Bell, even if the character was a little too cartoonish, but I don’t think there is a way to play a villain with a god complex in any other way than cartoonish. Clearly, he had fun playing evil Bell and that made the experience more enjoyable for me.

    That was a poisoned happy ending, once again, thanks to Letters of Transit. Peter and Olivia will be happy together… for a little while. And then the family unit will be broken, Peter and probably Olivia (as well as Astrid and Walter) will be ambered for 20 years, while Etta will grow up without her parents. This finale’s sweet ending is highly deceptive.

    My favorite part of the episode was the scene at the hospital with Astrid in bed. Peter taking her hand and consoling her was incredibly sweet. Jasika was wonderful there.

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      • Ian S. says

        I felt the dialogue has been almost spot on in every episode this season. Where did it lack for you in this episode?

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        • JM says

          Perhaps I should have clarified, I meant that they have continued to have consistent “on the nose” dialogue in every episode of season 4, I didn’t mean to say the dialogue as a whole was bad.

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      • number six says

        In my opinion, that quality you speak of was sporadic at best and potential at worst. Once I came to this realization, I was able to enjoy what was left of this season more. Season 2 is still my favorite, because the writers hadn’t contaminated the story yet with plots they couldn’t deal with, but even during the much praised first 8 episodes of S3, I could still spot too many weaknesses in the writing. They were well camouflaged sometimes, because the stakes were high and the threats felt real. That doesn’t mean I didn’t notice the heavy-handed writing and the anvils falling on my head.

        The strongest selling point of this series for me was the relationships between the three main characters (adding Astrid as the next most important piece and then Broyles and Nina to complete the picture). I’ve had my problems with individual characters every now and then, but if there was one thing this show accomplished brilliantly was having this group of larger than life misfits working together and caring about each other.

        For some reason they decided this wasn’t important anymore, that forcing the awful character of Lincoln in our universe was the greatest idea ever and that the audience shouldn’t see the hard earned relationships among the main characters until 16 episodes later and only for a little while. This was the love letter to the show or the fans or whatever they said. I have no right to tell them what stories to tell or how to tell them, it’s their product and they can do whatever they want with it. I can tell them if this consumer liked it and the answer is, sory, but no. Even if the dialogs had been better, I’d still dislike this season, because it felt emotionally barren to me. Hanging for dear life on one character, no matter how much I like him, is not a good way to enjoy a show. Even now Peter is the only one, who feels real to me. Walter and Olivia have been given so many personalities, depending on what the plot needed, that with or without memories, I still feel that Peter is not home yet (although rationally I know he is) and that he is interacting with sock puppets.

        So it’s not the quality, which was short lived if it ever existed, it’s the stories they chose to tell, that I find unsatisfying. I don’t think I would have missed anything if S4 had never existed and the S3 finale had been a combination of Peter creating the bridge that connects and heals both universes (HE DOESN’T DISAPPEAR!!!!) and the S4 finale scene with Olivia announcing her pregnancy. Cue warm hugs and ominous warning from September about the Observer invasion. Or any other cliffhanger if this is too sappy, like Astrid or Walter in danger.

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      • shidey17 says

        They never really said. I think she’s alive and ambered or hiding out somewhere else.

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  36. Amanda says

    I will read all of this, but right now I just want to say that I really loved this season finale!!! Yes, we know something about the future, but I thrill to see what’s really going on there, in 2036. I LOVE FRINGE!!!

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  37. Ian S. says

    So I think the answer to Man X, is that in every possible future, the death of Olivia would be caused by either Walter/William Bell/Peter, or to have all three in a room together when she dies (they were all in the zeppelin together) and the X is William Bell’s signature (since it was his shared mind as well in LSD). Interesting, so are all humans perhaps capable of seeing the future? With Olivia’s cortexiphan, more then that 10% of brain power is being used. Maybe Observer’s were made from Cortexiphan esentially?

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  38. Ian S. says

    Also, so what “Bell did to Olivia” spoken about in LoT, was activating her to collapse the universes to create a third I’m guessing? And September said the Observers are coming, it’s 2012 though, not 2015… unless they visit the present for 3 years before taking over fully in 2015?

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    • ML says

      Well, we know Walter had already developed a way to get rid of the observers in 2015 and since they have very advanced technology, it must have taken Walter a considerably amount of time to do that!

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  39. ramona says

    I guess I’m a little slow in the uptake because I just realized that Walter and Bellie both have the same initials: W.B. And in tonight’s episode Bellie was acting more like Walter when Walter was at his most childlike. I’m not sure if Bellie was just doing this to be sarcastic. Walter sacrificing Olivia to save the world(s) and then “raising” her from the dead conformed more to being an image of God than Bellie’s claim of being God just as Bellie was about to destroy all human life.

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  40. J.P. says

    Well, that was a waste of a season…

    This episode honestly did very little for me. It felt nothing like a proper finale for a show’s penultimate season, and nothing like the grand, “epic” finales with bombshell, game hanging cliffhangers to keep us fans dying of anticipation for months before the next season premiere. If I didn’t know of Pinkner & Wyman’s showrunning methods and style, I would’ve assumed this finale was thrown together last minute because, for whatever reason, their original ideas didn’t work with their final season. But, in the numerous interviews they’ve had that I’ve read, they stress continuously that they’ve known exactly how this season would end, and that they discarded the notion to include another “alternate ending”. Therefore, I find myself, more than ever, questioning their logic, and, I never thought I’d say these words, I question if they truly know what their own show is, anymore. As a diehard fan since the very first season, and as one who stuck through this pathetic excuse of a season hoping for a great climax, I feel betrayed.

    Now, there were parts of this episode that I enjoyed. Mainly, seeing Nina very much in the forefront, hell, she even flew in a helicopter with our lead characters. “General” Broyles was at least a central character in this episode, but he was still standing back and handing out orders, not, you know, actually physically helping to stop the apocalypse, such as flying in the helicopter with Peter, Olivia, and Nina. Lincoln was gone, and that was just dandy, but then there’s Astrid… She was in, what, three scenes all throughout? The longest of which was her helpless in a hospital bed. That’s really, really fair to the actress who’s given her all throughout the entire series. Let’s face it, during the show’s highs and lows, and more specifically, during the writers’ and actors’ highs and lows, Jasika Nicole and Astrid have always been consistent.
    Bell’s plan was interesting, yes, and had some serious potential. During the “climax”, being the confrontation between Walter, Peter, Olivia, and Bell, I was actually hoping our brave and bold Fringe Division would fail, for one true time. I wanted the universes to collapse, because of Olivia’s powers, and to have the finale close with the four characters looking out at Bell’s beautiful utopian jungle full of creatures, the last humans alive. Now that’s a cliffhanger, people!
    But, no… No, instead, in the most absolutely predictable “plot twist”, Walter shot Olivia right in the head (“The Day We Died” all over again…), saving the multiverse (cue the cheering), and Bell rings a bell (well played guys) and disappears. Now, things got a little interesting for me right here. Walter had just killed Olivia, and Peter looked as though he was about to lose it. Had Olivia stayed dead this time, Walter and Peter’s relationship would’ve been richer and deeper and more unique than ever before. Maybe we could’ve ended the season with Peter killing Walter in a sudden bust of vengeful anger, before going on the run and encountering September again. Maybe September could’ve offered Peter a way to get Olivia back, if he agrees to jump back in time (again) and let Bell carry out his plan. That would’ve placed Peter in virtually the same position as Walter in 1985; how far would you go to save someone you loved?
    But, no… No, instead Olivia was resurrected by Walter, and found out she was pregnant. Now, what kills me the most about that is this; if Walter knew he could possibly revive her, then why shoot her in… her… brain…? Why not go for the chest, the heart? No, just go and shoot her in her brain, and then plunge a rod through her already destroyed brain to get the bullet out. Don’t get me wrong, I know exactly why the scene was written this way — just for some good old drama. Just to get us wondering, for the slightest moment, that maybe Walter had failed, and just ruined his son’s life, and accidentally killed his unborn grandchild. But nope! In this version of Fringe, there are no more sacrifices, no more real drama, and in fact, no more plot.

    I’ve got so many issues with the “conclusion” to this “season”. Among them, if I were to watch “Neither Here Nor There” and then watch this, it would feel like I’m watching two different shows (just like watching “The Day We Died” and then watching “NHNT”). After a lackluster opening batch of episodes, I came to accept this season would be about remembering Peter, the truce between universes, the new breed of shapeshifters, the maniacal David Robert Jones and his cortexiphan-related plans to collapse the universes, and the moles he has working for him. Instead, we concluded the season by finding a ridiculous way to get Olivia, and Olivia only, to remember not only Peter, but her REAL LIFE, by severing ties with the Other Side in a rather anticlimactic way, by completely disregarding the shapeshifters after Lincoln ventured over there to “take care of business” (well, maybe big, bad, Lincoln Tyrone Lee scared em all away?), by killing off Jones in such a lame and pathetic way, by locking up Nina and Colonel Broyles several episodes back, and then revealing that it was all William Bell’s idea… And then, saving the multiverse in yet another anticlimactic way.

    Some things are so off the wall that I can’t stand them. At the top of that list, is cortexiphan. What made cortexiphan so interesting in the past seasons was its mystique, it’s unique abilities given to a certain few. Now? There’s nothing interesting or unique about cortexiphan, because it can do just about everything… It can start fires, it can control emotions, it can infect others with diseases or instead cure them, and it can also… Manipulate matter in such a way that it can destroy two universes and then create a third…? Oh okay, makes sense… I guess that actually does make Walter and Bell “gods”, because they managed to create a drug that can do anything and everything, including creating and destroying worlds (remind anyone else of that little Machine that was a big deal last season?)…
    The more I think about this season’s ridiculous “mythology”, the more I cringe and, inevitably, the more disappointed I become in the show runners.

    This season will always, always, always be a complete mystery to me. And at the centre of that mystery is our favorite Peter Bishop. I mean, didn’t our trusted show runners explicitly state and promise, on numerous occassions, that this was, er umm… “Peter’s season”? And hey, I guess it was, ya know, for two episodes (“Back To Where You’ve Never Been” and “Enemy Of My Enemy”) before it, once again, became Olivia’s season. That makes Peter’s “sacrifice” at the end of last season even more irrelevant and distant, because as it turns out, it’s always been about Olivia “Superwoman” Dunham and her universe-crippling powers.
    And speaking of Peter’s “sacrifice”, I’ve gotta ask, what’s the point? Honestly guys, I’m lost on this one. Am I right to understand the Observers did it all because they had to get rid of Henry Dunham? The helpless baby who would’ve stayed dead along with the rest of the Other Side in the old 2026 future anyway?
    If it’s not because of Henry, then please, what is it? Because Peter’s erasure from time has proved to be completely pointless. So, it gave us a few episodes of character growth and examination… Cool… Instead of wrapping it up in a meaningful way that would do the “main” character who’s always been sidelined but who was now apparently the star of this season some justice, they took the easy way out… Olivia took some cortexiphan, she remembered her “other life with Peter” (and saying it that way makes it sound even more ridiculous) and he accepted this world and these other characters who still do not view him the same way they used to.
    Also… how the hell did he return? It’s been hinted at that his return was triggered by “the powerful love” he shared with these characters (the same characters who didn’t remember him at all, by the way), but we’ve never gotten anything clearer than that. Peter, the “main character of this season”, his sacrifice, his return and the others trying to remember him, should have absolutely been the primary storyline of this season, not some background storyline that they quietly “resovled” in small scenes scattered across a couple episodes. His return and the others lack of memory regarding him would have allowed us to see “how others view him”, an interesting examination on human nature and more specifically, our beloved characters. But again… No, it didn’t.
    Therefore, as I honestly cannot find any other purpose behind Peter’s “sacrifice”, his state in “limbo”, and this completely new timeline, I truly believe the writers created this whole new mess just to bring Jones and William Bell back in a fresh and “plausible” way. If anybody else has another idea, another opinion on the Peter dilema, then please, I welcome any and all suggestions.

    Now finally, onto the “cliffhanger”… First, let’s reminisce over the cliffhangers of seasons past. Season One: Olivia is in the other universe with Bell, in the still-standing World Trade Center… one word, “WOW!”. Season Two: Olivia is held captive in the other universe, while Fauxlivia has infiltrated our side… one word, “WOW!”. Season Three: Both universes have been bridged, and Peter’s been erased from time… one word, “WOW!”.
    And now, Season Four: Walter makes a peanut butter and jam sandwich only to be interrupted by September who says “they’re coming”… one word, “huh…?”. I mean come on… That scene sounds as though the writers lost all their ideas and had to throw it in there at the very end of filming. It doesn’t feel or sound anything like the cliffhangers of seasons past, instead it feels and sounds like the ending of random filler episode before a mythology episode. And… this is the final season cliffhanger the show will have…

    “Disappointed” doesn’t even begin to describe my feelings towards the show runners, this episode, and this “season” as a whole. To say I’m not very worried about the quality of the final season of this once-great show would be as big a lie as promising this season to be “Peter’s season”.

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    • JM says

      J.P
      This post sums up why I really don’t want you Dylan and others to stop watching fringe and leave Fringebloggers because I really love reading your insight and more often than not agree completely.

      Wyman and Pinkner say they have always known the end is absolutely laughable, but the show can still be saved in season 5. This was without doubt a horrible season and is probably one of the worst seasons of TV i’ve seen this year.

      P.S J.P i dont know if you have seen Person Of Interest but you should definately check it out its average at the beginning but IMO its outstanding atm.

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      • J.P. says

        JM, thank you, and I won’t be leaving anytime soon, I’ll stick it out to the very end.
        And hahaha, I actually love Person Of Interest! It started out as an average show, but now it’s really found its footing and I’m thrilled to see what they have in store for the finale and the next season.

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    • Briar says

      I’m sorry to say it looks as though the renewal of Fringe at the end of season 3 took the writers by surprise. They were stuck with a fourth season and no story to tell, so waffled about for episode after episode (some in fact very good episodes) looking for a new mythology. What they came up with was the drearily stereotypical episode 19, complete with ‘Allo ‘Allo Nazis enforcing an updated 1984 dystopia, and it seems this bucket of cliches will now be the providing the framework for the remainder of the show’s run. Oh dear. Evil Observers and Tinkerbell are the bad guys and the only things standing between us and the future of LoT are the Bishops and Olivia, minus her cortexiphan enhanced abilities. We’re doomed, I tell you, doomed! Call in Captain Mainwearing to save the day!

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    • Cheyenne says

      J.P. , when you asked why Walter shot Olivia in the brain instead of the heart and mocked it, it actually makes perfect sense. The cortexiphan was administered to Olivia’s brain. Therefore, her brain would heal and not her heart as you suggested. I loved the episode and all the actors did their parts. Looking fwd to Season 5!

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      • J.P. says

        Cheyenne, I know the cortexiphan was administered to her brain, but there’s no proof within the show that only her brain would heal. Walter said that, all of the sudden by the way, cortexiphan is “regenerative”. He didn’t say that only the brain of cortexiphan subjects is regenerative. Also, doesn’t the brain control the entire body, anyway? Therefore with that logic, her cortexiphan-enhanced brain still could’ve regenerated her punctured heart…
        While anyone could argue you’re right, we’ll never know for sure, and that’s what bothers me the most about this season.

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  41. David says

    Darth Kath, here’s a novel thing to try, JUST WATCH THE EPISODE, and try not to anaylise every scene, you would enjoy it more, believe me.
    You know we have a golfing commentator in Australia who has a name for anyone who just wants to anaylise everything ” He calls it paraylise be anaylis).
    Now I know everyone has opinions and are entited to them, but when one just comes on the these website with constant critism then it starts to wear thin after a while.
    My only advice (for what its worth) to you is to stop watching, you will feel better for it, we will be better for it, and everyone will live happy ever after

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    • Dylan says

      David…no, no, and no.

      Fringe is supposed to be a high-concept narrative. You don’t turn your mind off with a high-concept narrative.

      ah what’s the point… the herd will be significantly thinned after this episode. You may all actually come to miss opposing opinions, because when everyone thinks and speaks the same…existence becomes boring.

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      • Greg says

        Here’s an advice for anyone who doesn’t like Darth Kate’s post, don’t read it. She’s entitled to her opinions, and if she wants to analyze Fringe to the extreme, she can. The thing is some of you seem to thing the stuff she writes is just negative, I for one find some of the things she writes is somewhat closer to the truth.

        People here just love to attack Kate, because they simply don’t agree with her and can’t accept any criticism of a show they just love. If you find Kate annoying, just ignore her, and let others who like what she writes express opinions with her.

        Honestly if you need Kate to disappear in order to make yourself more happy or feel better and to live happily ever after, then you shouldn’t be here.

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      • LastManInSpace says

        This is exactly the point I’ve been belaboring about differing opinions on here

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  42. garz says

    Its funny to see how many don’t understand the Mr.X part.

    X = BELLS SIGNATUR = bell is the bad guy. He always was.

    X is the cause of livs dead.

    This is confirmed on twitter btw

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    • Dylan says

      LSD: Bell speaks with Walter while Peter fights with Man X. Man X tries to run over Bell and Olivia in a car towards the end of the episode.

      It doesn’t make sense. Although, the entire show doesn’t make sense anymore.

      I admittedly laughed out loud tonight, after making my comment a few weeks ago about Fringe using magic and only calling it science, when I see September become trapped by a glowing rune on the ground…

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      • JM says

        LOL when i saw that i thought “they totally stole that from supernatural” its how they trap demons on that show

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        • cc says

          LOL I thought the same thing. A devil’s trap for the observers will take care of everything. It just worked on Crowley…

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  43. Biogeek says

    The things with Season 4, is that for me (I have to use this defense now, haven’t I?), it was built on a bold, daring premise: what happens to us if a person significant to our lives, cease to exists. It was raising the question of identity (that was beautifully explored in S3, especially the first part of it), into a different level. It got me excited, because it was a huge risk- a road not taken by the others.
    The problem is that, the writing has been shaky- perhaps it was affected by the clamor of the ‘Fringies’, or the unfamiliarity of the context of S4, or even the ratings. There were many wasted episodes, and of course contrivances. You lot have discussed the holes lengthily, so I wouldn’t go there. I don’t know (or better yet, I did not find time to over-analyze), if it was the ‘reset’ universe that gave the writers a hard time, and a rather cramped elbow room to explore, or the not-so-kind reception of the few to the context of S4. The execution is a bit lost, lacked intensity and commitment- but the thing is that Fringe is still something that I look forward to every week. It has become my week counter. Every now and then an episode surprises me (oh yeah, ‘Letters of Transit’), so, as the Dunhamator said in Marionette, I held on to Fringe.

    Being a trained scientist and someone who occasionally writes Lit, plot contrivances should have scared me away from this show, a long time. I almost did, during season 1 – I cannot really grasp the possibility of Fringe Science, because of tomes and tomes of reasons. What I’m trying to say is this- I will not let plot contrivances, or even personal nitpicking ruin the joy I feel whenever I watch this show. I can acknowledge them, even question the rationale behind the weak writing – but to let it spoil an amazing family story? If I am to over-analyze media, for its contrivances and weakness, then I might just as well throw my TV out, and burn my books, and live-off with some choice science articles.

    Relax people- I know that Fringe made you think differently of the stories that Television can tell- might even raised your bar of expectations. Fringe has aimed a gun at itself by doing that- and S4 pounded a few holes to our little show. But we’re still here.

    Lastly, for all you peeps squabbling out there, just a little thought- there is a very thin line between intelligent discussion and, intellectual self-pleasuring. Just be sure what side you are on- you don’t want to be the entertainment of wise people.

    Relax. Have a licorice. :-]

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  44. Alt Chris says

    WHY oh God WHY did they erase Peter and reboot the timeline at Season 3’s End?
    What a bad choice. What has it accomplished?
    It’s the end of season 4 and Peter & Olivia are (supposedly) back to their Season 1-3 selves.
    Walter and Astrid are (supposedly) back to relationship they had in S1-3.
    Peter & Walter are (supposedly) back to that same father/son relationship they had in S1-3
    Broyles and Nina are still… dating? (are they? remember when they kissed? WTF was that about?)
    But my point is this: IF the ‘overall plan’ was to have things progress as normal so that by the end of S4, the characters would have developed socially & emotionally as though the original/Blue timeline just continued through season 4….
    Then WHY oh WHY did they reboot the timeline, causing many fans to doubt EVERY SINGLE ONE of these developments???

    I mean we are supposed to accept that this IS the real timeline and everything is all good and events has progressed naturally. But I don’t and they haven’t.

    This makes me sad. Very sad. And the ONLY way i can maybe accept it is if they make it crystal clear, crystal CLEAR that all the characters we are watching become/remember (whatever it takes) their old selves from season 1, 2 & 3.
    Otherwise this show will end in a whimper for me.

    The writers are now beginning to write season 5 (if Joel Wyman’s twitter is to be believed) so that means we still have a chance! I think they (the writers) believe they have done a good job of establishing this Amber/reboot timeline as the S1-3 original… but they haven’t. One line from September to Peter does jack s*** as far as i’m concerned. SHOW us it’s the same! Don’t tell us! Olivia got her memories back. Okay who’s next?

    I think we need to make our voices heard. if the creators are willing to listen to fans on twitter and the like then maybe we can make them realise the reality of the task they have in front of them. Jump online and let them know (nicely though, not “you guys are terrible and need to fix it!”) because honestly, the amount of brown nosing/a$$ kissing on Wyman’s twitter is ridiculous.

    It’s not the same timeline yet and they have 13 episodes left to convince us (although really, it needs to be established in the first few episodes of S5 so the final run home can have meaning).

    If they do that, then this great show can leave us all with the ending it deserves.

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      • TrueFringeFan says

        I am not writing this in response to certain people; but as a call to all true Fringe fans here. This was the first time I wrote here, I have been only a reader until now. I decided to write only because those 2 people had started to ruin the site.

        I don’t know if intentionally or unintentionally, but those 2 people must know that their decision to stop watching the show and leave blogging were definitely right. I think they are out of control and so out of line. I don’t think they are Fringe fans anymore. Apparently, their unreasonable hate turned them into trolls at some point.

        I don’t know how to use the site, but I will be glad if someone informs site administrators that I was abused by the person above. Thank you so much. It was a great and perfectly emotional finale. I love this show!

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          • TrueFringeFan says

            Saying someone “go f*ck yourself” is not a difference of opinion. I am a 35 year old mother. They are not Fringe fans anymore and even they have accepted it. They lost it. In addition, if you are not one of them please stop defending them. It’s not mature.

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            • Dylan says

              “mature”? Oh yes, because you’re action was so mature.

              [Inappropriate comment removed - ed]

              Hate births only more hate. [Inappropriate comment removed - ed]

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        • Dylan says

          Abused? Call it reciprocal, buddy. You say you just sign up to tell me that you’re glad I’m going? Wow. Just Wow.

          So I responded the only way I could that would really illustrate my feelings about you coming on here just to tell you that you are so glad I’m going

          and I’ll gladly repeat myself

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          • TrueFringeFan says

            I am quitting the site people; I won’t continue reading this blog either. Thank you those who supported me with “likes”.

            [Inappropriate comment removed - ed]

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            • Dylan says

              So are you a one-time-hateful-postee? A clever-than-the-usual advertising robot? What?

              Interesting. Abusing is not tolerated there, yet you’re allowed to continue to participate. Hopefully they’ll introduce an anti-hypocrisy policy over there.

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          • Brian says

            You’re quite a trip Dylan. I have no idea how you’re willing to bombard be with some comment policy because I told someone to grow up, but you’re totally in the right when you tell someone else to go f*ck themselves. I’m starting to think you’re a bot.

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            • Dylan says

              Oh so you don’t want me to conform now? Please make up your mind.

              I tried being reasonable with you lot. I reminded you of comment policy, and I tried to keep things civil by keeping the discussion on the show and not on users.

              But you wouldn’t have it. You weren’t going to be satisfied until you had demeaned, humiliated, and bullied every opposing opinion and driven them away from this blogging website.

              I thought it about time I expressed what we had all been wanting to say for a very, very long time. And only now do you find it appropriate to remember that the comment policy actually exists.

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      • lost_stef says

        Dylan is saying that not contradicting everything you have said all over this blog. my god

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    • Lincless says

      If you are a true fan, why don’t you just be happy and enjoy Fringe?
      You’re in a more comfortable position. You like something others don’t like anymore. So why do you feel the need to provoke them with this very personal, completely off-topic post?

      You don’t have to read other viewer’s opinions. Especially Dylan was always very concetrated on the (perhaps not so logical) story of Fringe and has never attacked people who still liked Fringe.

      If you don’t get on with diverging opinions you might be wrong here.
      Trolling is when someone says something like “Fringe sucks, sucks, sucks, sucks” without giving any reasonable explanation.
      Dylan always explained his thoughts in an intelligent way.

      I would miss him and his insightful thoughts. (and Kate’s as well, although she is sometimes “exhaustung” ;)).

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      • Dylan says

        Thanks man:)

        It’s a shame relationships have soured completely tonight, and things turned out the way they did.

        I’ll miss you guys…

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        • Sajib says

          Don’t leave use Dylan :(

          I know many people may intrepret your views as controversial (And for that matter Darth Kate’s) but I for one certainly appreciate the different flavour that you bring to this blog. You keep a lot of us from simply accepting what is on the screen, rather encouraging us to question aspects of the show until all the dots can be logically connected to provide reasonable answers. And I know you share the opinions you do because deep down, you love and care about the show and have its best interests at heart, just like everyone else in this forum does. Besides, what would this forum become without a few polarizing opinions? I know it would certainly be a less exciting place.

          So my friend, I encourage you to review your decision to leave. Please stay with us for the final leg of this epic journey and redeem some faith that season 5 can make up what season 4 maye have lacked for you. You have invested too much into the show to turn your back on the finish line now.

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          • Dylan says

            We shall see.

            I appreciate what you have said, but given the comments tonight that have been shared between users, I can’t help but weigh whether remaining here would be worth the emotional cost.

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            • Sajib says

              I agree that tonight wasn’t the best night in terms of behaviour but I’d brush it off as some passionate people staunchly trying to defend their views. I’m sure a few around here wouldn’t be too proud of their actions and would act differently if they had the chance again, seeing that they crossed the line of personally attacking people. So don’t let today’s black day get to your head.

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              • lost_stef says

                I cant believe that you ppl are giving them satisfaction of telling them to stay. LIKE HELLO thats what they want if they wanna go they can go if they wanna stay they can stay HONESTLY i said it earlier GET OVER IT and can WE PLEASE TALK FRINGE!!!!!!!

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                • Sajib says

                  Haha I understand, I was just asking those who are thinking about leaving to give further consideration having invested in the show for so long. Of course the final decision is entirely up to them and at the end of them day, regardless of how many people are in this forum, we’re all here to talk about Fringe for sure :)

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    • J.P. says

      My God, “TrueFringeFan”, get a life and grow up… Because Darth Kate and Dylan aren’t “mature” at all, but you and your comments were…

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  45. says

    “We have to warn the others. They’re coming”…
    Besides the last scene, which i felt was ‘taped’ to the episode after renewal was confirmed, it was awesome.
    Fringe delivered once more, giving us answers, everything fell right into place and the endscenes were amazing.

    From Olivia’s death to her regeneration, Bell going completely out of his head and out of this world, Walter calling Astrid by her right name. The amount of writer detail deserves an award all by itself.

    Now that lowatus officially has begun and we can enjoy the rewatches all summer, there are questions and points left open.

    1. Beginning with Septembers last sentence: “We have to warn the others. They are coming”. Who are ‘they’?
    Suggestions: A. The other Observers. Observers are coming to take over, find Bell and put him in amber (redverse, where he has travelled to), so that the future belongs to the Observers.
    B. Our redverse characters. Bell has struck a deal with Walternate to continue his plans on the other side, giving him asylum in the brave new world. Using Altlivia’s powers, he still can go on with (re)creation of his own universe.
    C. Dino’s are coming. Bell has succeeded with his plans andhis brave new world is still growing, pushing out of existence the current universes. Man has been replaced by intelligent lizardshaped people, who are the stormtroopers for Bell’s army and are on a search and destroy mission.
    D. Other ‘gods’. People who, like Bell, posess the power of creation and destruction of reality. Bell’s actions have been noticed by these other ‘gods’ and they want to set the record(universe) straight.

    I felt the helicopter scene, where Peter sees the ship and the others do not, could also explain the Island on ‘Lost’, where people could travel to the reality of normal life, where outsiders could not see the island. Some sort of dimensional shift, so to speak.

    Olivia lives again. Does this mean the universes are still on a collision course?

    Observer being caught in some magic spell didn’t do the trick for me. I did not like that part, to quirky. Some sort of Faraday cage would have been more believable than this spell on the floor. But hey, i’m going with it. Question is: how much more of these spells are there, who made them and why only use them now?

    What happened with the ship, the crew and the creatures that Olive, Peter and Walter were on with Bell?

    Is this the end of Massive Dynamic as a corporation? Will Nina start working for Broyles and Fringe division?

    What other powers does Olivia have? And how much surprises does Peter has up in his sleeve?

    Will we ever see the BBM again? Will we ever see the redverse again? Will we ever see Gene again? Will we ever see Sam Weiss again? Will we ever see Charlnate or Charlie or Charlwhatever again?

    Season 4 has been a blast. Great stories were told, great mysteries unfold and a possible future saw the light. Even with a short season 5 ahead, i think the action and pass of the story will go up. There are quite a few things to solve for our favorite characters and i only can dream of how it will begin… in September!

    Enjoy lowatus people! Enjoy the rewatches too and keep lending out those dvd’s! We have an obligation to FOX and mr. Kevin Reilly to bring in as much live viewers as we can.

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    • Ian S. says

      Producers just released an interview last night where they confirmed it was the Observers who are coming.

      Senator James Van Horn said that the creatures had been removed and cryogenically frozen for later study by the Fringe team.

      I agree with the Lost thing! That’s the first thing I thought of too when they looked out the helicopter to the water. I almost expected the island to randomly appear ;)

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    • TRapp73 says

      they mentioned something along the lines of cryostasis for the creatures on the boat ( scene where Broyles is made a general)
      I agree dont like the magic spell thing but the better question is if they werent supposed to have this kind of tech how did they get it? who gave it to them?
      I hope we see the BBM, Gene, Charlie, and Sam again but i do remember reading some where that they said they had no plans to bring Sam back which is sad he was a fun character.

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  46. Kid says

    The thing that everyone is forgetting is the fact that there was a very good chance that the show wasn’t coming back. As such, this episode would have been the series finale. That is why the way it is, with no cliffhangers except for the already revealed future story. I believe that the writers really couldn’t have wrapped it up any differently without the issue of a fifth season being resolved far sooner. So while the ending wasn’t particularly thrilling, it was a solid ending for the season and what could have been the series. I do think though that Letters of Transit would have made a better season finale.

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    • Kid says

      One other thing is that there are MANY things that weren’t wrapped up, like the Rogue Observer or Sam Weiss or John Scott/Zeno or Green Green Red or a whole lot of other stuff. That is what I am more annoyed with considering the producers said that all but one plot thread would be wrapped up.

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      • James says

        Sam Weiss was wrapped up at the end of Season Three.

        I don’t know why people keep bringing him up, he’s totally irrelevant in the story now.

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        • Briar says

          They’re bringing him up because he was so central to the plot from seaon 2 onwards and because, as well, he was a character we grew to like. If people suddenly disappear from your life, don’t you want to know what happened to them?

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          • James says

            Yes but he’s no longer central to the plot.

            The ‘First People’ mythology, and therefore Sam Weiss’ contribution to the mythology, was made non-existant to our characters [bar Peter] when the timeline was rewritten.

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            • Dylan says

              As far as I see, if the machine remains and apparently events with it being activated still occurred, then it’s relevant.

              Though there are still sooooooo many unanswered and unclassified aspects to those events, it’s just not funny.

              A mountain of things occurred in this season without a shred of explanation.

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        • Dylan says

          They didn’t wrap up how and why he had all that random technology at his bowling alley.

          Or how exactly he knew such intimate details about Peter’s relationship with the machine, despite their being no such details in either of the Peter and Olivia drawings.

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          • Ben says

            There was also a ridiculous line from Sam which seemed to have slipped under the radar for a lot of fans. “The timeline’s not right, maybe it’ll course correct on its own.”

            HOW THE FRIG CAN SAM KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ‘TIMELINES’ IF HE IS SIMPLY THE DESCENDANT OF AN ARCHAEOLOGIST AND THE OWNER OF A BOWLING ALLEY?!?!?!

            In case you can’t tell, I take massive issue with the way his character was used in the end.

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            • Ian S. says

              I keep coming back to that too! A part of me thinks actually that will be addressed, that maybe since this is the “correct timeline” this is what actually should have happened and the script is actually from this timeline! That would be such a cool revelation.

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            • TRapp73 says

              In the Beyond the fringe comics that Josh Jackson wrote Peter is jumping through time after the events of season 3 and he meets up with a Sam Weiss and passes along the first people info. If you get a chance check them out Josh wrote the first three of story line A

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            • Jason says

              My wife’s probably getting tired of me bringing up the hulking dangling plotline of Sam Weiss… And the timeline comment of his didn’t fly under my radar, and I think the writers had better have something up their sleeves for him…

              Part of me is afraid that yes, the timeline reboot did make him “irrelevant”… But I also think that if nothing else, the writers are a canny enough bunch that they WILL address some of these unresolved fragments… I think the way they wound up integrating The Pattern events and experiments is evidence enough of this…. Also, I think they tried to even callback the Soviet astronaut thing with DRJ’s demise last week….

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      Yeah, it could work as a very lousy series finale, but it isn’t. It’s season finale, and it just doesn’t work as such.

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  47. Greg says

    Hrmm, what an interesting end to ( in my part opinion) a dissapointing season. After watching the finale, I really don’t know why they needed to erase Peter, it made me feel disconnected to the characters all season. They could have kept Peter alive, and still have gotten us the end of the season with the same endgame in mind. They could have just introduced us to never-before-seen members of ZFT and continued on the same Path instead of introducing a new timeline. This new timeline didn’t make me emotionally invested with the characters, simply because they didn’t feel like the characters I knew for 3 seasons.

    Was the main reason to erase Peter was to get rid of Henry? Or was the reason the get rid of Peter simply a season Finale gimmick to make the audience have a Wow factor? I honestly believe its the combination of the two which resulted in the writers writing themselves into a hole.

    And there was so much “filler”, did TPTB realize that season 4 could have been the last? There was a lack of urgency missing this season since the showrunners still felt the need to have pointless Motw’s and annoying crazy scientists living in their basement episodes.

    Their attempts at mythalones failed miserably, because mythalones are meant to be cases that are directly related to the mythology of Fringe, think “Bad Dreams” and “August”, where cortexiphan and Observers were at the heart of the episode. The writers seem to think a mythalone constitutes, having something relevant to the main arc of Fringe being played in the first and last 5 minutes of Fringe, and having an annoying standalone case being played in the middle.

    Personally, I’ve found the last few episodes annoying, simply due to the rapid pace the writers were closing out loose story ends. So much time could have been spent into developing characters and mythology over 2 or 3 episode arcs, instead of this big rush to the end that we are getting. I felt there needed to be more build up and depth, something that could have easily been achieved without the “filler”.

    The good thing about the season 4 finale was that I got the sense I can completely forget about season 4, and move straight into season 5 with the whole observers arc. Hopefully it will be an improvement in Quality.

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    • Alt Chris says

      This is about 98% of how I feel! Like i said earlier, its the complete disconnect with the characters that has annoyed me so much.
      Why did the erase Peter and reboot the timeline? For Henry? Because it the end of the season and we’ve got to do something that makes people go WHAA?
      Like you said, Peter could’ve connected the universes and everything could have preceded as this season did. Without an erased Peter. Both universes working together etc.

      Also i think the last 3 episodes have just seemed rushed. DRJ written out horribly, completely cheapening his character. The whole collapsing the two universe thing seemed shoved in very late in the game. Not enough set up. And definitely not enough set up for this reappearance of crazy evil Bell.
      Pretty disappointing overall. Let’s all hope season 5 can retcon the retcon.

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      • Ian S. says

        Agree completely. The season has been strong though, with the underlying plot of Peter getting home, in every episode it felt there was a bunch of things happening at once, which is pretty cool.

        They should have made the machine disappear in the season 3 finale, making the two universes unable to close the door, which would be really cool. Yep they could have done the ZFT plot, with people who worked for Bell and Jones (maybe someone else was working on the human shapeshifters in their name?). Also civilians could have found out about the bridge and wanted to cross over for their own needs, and all these events going would still give us the same finale with the Observer takeover, Fringe division upgrade, and Olivia dying + coming back to life (she could have used her cortexiphan abilities way more this season too since they were heightened at the end of the third season).

        Don’t get me wrong, overall I really enjoyed this season, it just seemed there were better routes to take…

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    • Fringe Fan says

      I think another reason (besides Henry) that the timeline was reset was to enable both worlds to work together and to heal each other and to close that plot line. By removing Peter from the equation, both worlds could work together (since Peter was the main source of conflict between the Walters and the Olivias) instead of one of them getting destroyed. So, thus, the future that we saw in THE DAY WE DIED wouldn’t happen and instead we got the future that we saw in LETTERS OF TRANSIT.

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  48. ML says

    I am not able to critizise anything right now because I’m freaking out about:
    LIV IS ALIVE!!!
    POLIVIA IS PREGNANT!!!
    ASTRID is alive!!

    My only reaction right now is: WHOOOOOOHOOOOOO :) :) :)

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      • ML says

        No, absolutely not! ;) But I thought it was beautiful how the writers presented it to us! :) :) And I’m a shipper… of course I must freak out about these last scenes ^^

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  49. ML says

    Also I am not worried anymore that we didn’t see Olivia in the future! Maybe she had to make sure that Etta is safe and couldn’t get ambered with the others at the same time!
    OR Olivia is at that place where they can only gain access with Belly’s hand! (sry if my english is horrible ^^)

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    • Ian S. says

      Good theory about where Olivia is! Maybe Belly kidnapped her and then was locked in amber and they need his hand to save her?

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    • Dylan says

      Hey, you all asked me to conform with the rest of FringeBloggers. Discrimination and hateful abuse seemed to be “in” thing to do tonight, so here I am – conforming.

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  50. David says

    Exactly what I was thinking Kid, I just wonder how much the delaying of the eventual renewel affected the remaining episodes of this season.
    With no decision until late last month, I assume those last three episodes would have been written well in advance of the renewel decision and so would have written in a way that would have been a satisfying end instead of a continuation.
    And hence as people have pointed out not been climatic enough.
    Not that I’m blaming either Fox or WB, the decision is a gusty one and allows us the fans to have a proper ending and the that i say a very big thank you.
    But I can’t help thinking as Kid as mentioned in the decision had come just a little earlier in the year (Around March like last year) that the remaining episodes without the threat of cancellation would have been vastly different and hopefully would have satisfied those who would have felt dissatisfied.

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    • Fran says

      I agree with you but we can’t blame only Fox and WB because the showrunners knew since the beginning that the 4th season was a gift, it was already almost a miracle and they wasted a lot of time with pointless freak of the week cases and trying to make our Lincoln’s character acceptable (which to me, they didn’t succeed in both). So, it’s their fault too.

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      • says

        Fran, have to agree on the Lincoln front. Season 4 hasn’t been my favorite, but I don’t hate it (mainly the introduction of the Lincoln character. He never fit to me).

        On the positive side: This season did give me the opportuntity to appreciate the Peter character (and JJ’s acting chops) more and I liked the softer Olivia and seeing her reconnect with her OT self. Also I felt the P/O relationship development and eventual coming together was handled really well.

        In other words, the season had its good and not so good points–IMO Fringe is never bad. :)

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  51. bdp says

    I loved this episode. I mean to be honest and fair, yea, I’m a shipper, so it had me with those moments, especially the last POlivia scene. And yea, I saw Olivia and Astrid surviving, and the Observer set up coming, like most people did. Didn’t make me hate the episode and deem it pointless though. It was a huge character progression episode and for a show that has basically been based upon the “odd little family unit” at the heart of the show, I think the episode payed off big time in regards to that. The writers have always said that at the heart of Fringe, more than anything else (mythology included), the show is about family and I feel this episode was deeply rooted in that element.

    Not to mention, all these people complaining about not having a big surprise ending…how about the fact the a Fringe season finale actually ended and a pretty much all around happy not (minus the oncoming Observer invasion). This is the first season ever that has ended with an “I can’t wipe the smile from my face” happy ending instead of a “let me pick my jaw up off the floor” moment. A happy season finale in Fringe may be one of the biggest curveballs the writers have ever thrown at us.

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    • bdp says

      Oh and P.S. for those that feel that all the shocks were ruined by the 2036 episode and feel that Bell being defeated was obvious…take a minute to think about the fact that we saw Bell trapped in amber in the 2036 episode. So I think it’s fair to say we probably haven’t seen the last of good ole’ Belly. It’s not like he died, they made that pretty clear in the end with the talk about trying to track him down. I feel pretty confident he’s still out there and will be back…

      Also as a random aside, I liked the altered call back to the 3rd season premiere. With Broyles taking Peter’s place of giving a debrief and meeting Nina at the bottom of the steps instead of Peter meeting Altliv.

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  52. Anne in Van says

    pure awesomeness! this was a perfect episode for a finale, I would have even been ok for this being a series finale. But don’t get me wrong, I’m sooo happy we’re having a fifth and last season. I’m really happy with what they gave to us. I wanted a happy end and I got it. I needed this so badly. Some people are going to think I’m cheesy but I’m find with that, as I definitely am cheesy :)
    Thanks Fringe team, now I can be peaceful to wait for the final season even if it hurts to think it’s almost the end.

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  53. Surun Tunne says

    I guess jessica was a shapeshifter because she had this “dual” voice, just like nadine in 405

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  54. TFT says

    I can’t help but feel that if the writers knew season 5 would be their last season much earlier, this episode would have been entirely different. Cut Letters of Transit and the final scene of Brave New World and we have got an excellent series with very few loose ends and a happy ending!

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      • TFT says

        Well, none that bother me the slightest, the series feel complete.

        I just would have liked a little smoother transition to season 5.

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  55. FringeBa says

    Good Finale, but Where did the bell go ?I think he was from the future because he knew about that symbol to freezing September and the last word of his was terrifying.
    and what he did to Olivia that she wasn’t in amber?

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  56. riggi says

    so….is there any chance peter goes back to his original timeline with the original olivia???? or is that a lost cause?

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    • Alt Chris says

      I don’t want them to ‘go back’ to the original timeline, I want the original timeline to merge with/become this one. Otherwise we wasted a season with characters that didn’t matter. And if this timeline DOESN’T merge with/become the original then we wasted 3 seasons with a Walter, Astrid, Broyles & Nina who didn’t matter (at least the writers didn’t care about them enough to continue their stories). And don’t give me the “this IS the original timeline” stuff. Yes, September said so but other than Oliva & Peter, NO ONE else is from that whole universe experienced what we did with seasons 1-3. Not the same. …. at least not yet. I still have hope! C’mon Fringe don’t let me down!

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  57. DeepRunner says

    PRETTY. FRINGETASTIC.

    (I always write my comments before I read those of others, so here’s hoping I don’t say stuff y’all already have written or seen)

    * Bell is a creeeeeeeeepy, eeeeerie God-wanna-be. I liked the old timeline Bell. But Nimoy did a great job making this version of Willum a Jim-Jones-type character. Pretty cool reveal, though, that this was all Walter’s idea originally. Good coda back to Grey Matters, including the clips. Cool to ring the bell and then disappear, so that opens the door for him to be ambered-in in the future. Overall, 5 stars for the dude from Star Fleet.

    * Our Lemon Cake Olive. Blowing out lights. Blowing the lights out on the Very Dead Jessica. Waving off bullets and redirecting them to the source. Jumping from copters to jump universes. (OK, help me out here–Nina had to be the one to point out that she could jump universes????? After Peter said in BTWYNB that she could do it anytime she wanted? What, now he doesn’t think of it? REALLY???) Anna Torv did great. Olivia has always been central to the show, and this eppy drove that home.

    * Peter and Olivia. THEY’RE HAVIN’ A BABY! OK, we already knew that, but still, the scene was well-done, with Astrid and Walter observing. P/O did great together, as always, although Peter seemed a bit…um…well, it seemed like his character was a bit…umm…overwrought an awful lot. Peter was a background character this eppy. But shippers got the pay-off baby announcement and the P/O tonsil hockey. So, speaking of Astrid….

    * Good hospital scenes. Her apology to Peter about trying to protect Walter indicates that maybe she sorta buys-in to Peter really being Walter’s son. Giving Walter the Red Vines was PERFECT, also noting that he called her Astrid for the first time. Five stars to Astrid. As for Walter…

    * When he shot Olivia, it felt like the air had been sucked-out of the show. Yeah, he saved her, as we knew he would, but that was a WOW moment. Now we know where Etta’s shell-case necklace came from. Walter smacking Peter was a bit much. His final scene with September was all that was needed to point back toward 2036. And while we’re on the subject…

    * Good callback to The Firefly, where September caught up with Roscoe’s “dream” of his son seeing him as an old man. The scene between Olivia and September was well-done.

    * Nina. For the first time that I can remember, it didn’t seem like she added a lot to the show.

    * Jessica’s Eyeballs. Simply. Weird. and. Spooky. Really cool effects with the eyes and the voice, which reminds me of the Pied Piper from “Lie to Me.” Her pulling out the Bell-made gun was a callback to Over There Part II, the Model 77. Bring back Rebecca Mader one more time.

    All in all, a good finale. Bring on Season 5.

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  58. Lincless says

    Would anyone else prefer to see Micheal Cerveris (September) as a series regular instead of Seth Gabel (Lincoln) next season?
    He could add a lot more to the story.

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    • Alt Chris says

      Holy Crap thats GENIUS! He could help our fringe team against the invasion of the observers!

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      • JM says

        Yes!

        P.S I dont see how Gabel is gonna be a series regular this season, I think everything in the future will be completely on our side, if there is any altverse stuff (very possible) he will be a guest star…. (and im very glad of that although id prefer him not be in at all)

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        • Alt Chris says

          I have no hate for Lincoln, but he’s not one of our core characters so I’m totally cool with him popping up in any Alt-verse story stuff next season. Along with Alt-Astrid and Fouxlivia and shouldreallybedead-Alt-Broyles :P

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    • number six says

      Of course, I would! In fact, I’m going to retcon Lincoln’s presence in S4 in my mind and replace him with imaginary kickass scenes with September. “He never existed” has acquired a much better meaning.

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    • DeepRunner says

      Y.E.S. September in every eppy. He is more meaningful than He Who Left Our Universe to Score with TNBT. I think Seth Gabel is a great actor. I think they gave him Geek of the Weak material for Over Here Lincoln. If Lincoln ever shows up again (and it is UNAVOIDABLE), at least have him wearing an earring and a beard. LIVEN him up.

      But September in every episode. That would make it great. Even though something happened prior to the ambering-in in 2016.

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    • James says

      Except September and the other ‘month’ Observers were ultimately killed for fighting back.

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  59. Ben says

    I’m going to echo the sentiments of many others on this site and say that while I enjoyed the finale, it wasn’t quite as ‘epic’ as I’d hoped. It certainly never felt like the apocalypse was nigh, I don’t know if budgetary restraints were an issue but I would’ve appreciated some more insights into how Bell’s plans were impacting the world. I remember this was very well done in ‘6:02am EST’ and ‘The Last Sam Weiss,’ so it’s disappointing they didn’t manage to replicate this in the end.

    The ‘cliffhanger’ was very lacklustre: it didn’t reveal anything we didn’t already know, and having September simply talk about the impending arrival of the Observers lessened its impact. There were many other ways they could have foreshadowed the Baldy Invasion which would have been far more effective. Imagine the last few minutes jumping forward 500 years in the future to the Observers’ world, and seeing ranks of Observers step into time machines, or whatever it is they use to travel to the present day. While what we got wasn’t ‘bad’, it paled significantly in comparison to the cliffhangers of the previous 3 seasons.

    Things I did enjoy, however:

    *Bell took out pieces Walter’s brain because Walter was starting to entertain delusions of becoming a God. I saw this as a very clever twist, as I had always assumed Walter simply wanted the brain surgery to prevent him from becoming cold and calculating like Walternate.

    *We now know how September was shot. Jessica was a very unsettling and creepy character, though I do have issues with the fact that once again Peter ‘Great at Reading People’ Bishop was unable to recognise a blatant enemy spy.

    * Some hints at to how the future of 2036 will take place. Most obvious one is Olivia’s pregnancy, but I also liked the revelation that Fringe Division was getting increased Government support for their continued efforts to save the world. This is probably the seeds being sewn for the powerful, public blue universe Fringe Division we’ve seen in the 2026/2036 futures. It’s certainly come along way since it was just a mad scientist, an FBI agent, a conman and a cow. :P

    In general I’m fairly satisfied with how the season has gone, and very much await the 5th Season, wherein hopefully the shackles of ratings and standalone episodes will be loosened, and the writers can use their undoubted genius to give us the conclusion this brilliant show deserves.

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      • Ben says

        He’s not supposed to know everything, I just find it funny that despite his assertions in the early part of season 1 that he’s great at ‘reading people’ he has so far failed to identify numerous moles/double agents/ spies. For a very recent example take the sister of Marshal Bowman in ‘Nothing as it Seems.’ Don’t get me wrong I love the character, I just think that he should be able to spot at least one undercover enemy to justify his claims :P

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        • Sajib says

          Not to mention he couldn’t tell that Olivia was bluffing to him about the FBI files on him when we first saw them in the Pilot :P

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        • Yippee says

          Maybe the reason why Peter doesn’t sneak out the spies is because it’s not his job, too.

          And also, Olivia is the FBI agent so SHE should be weeding out the spies, not Peter. I mean, she was the one who didn’t know that Peter was the killer of shapeshifters, she didn’t know John Scott was a traitor, she didn’t know that Jessica worked for bell.

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    • DeepRunner says

      Yeah, that’s why I called it good, not outstanding. It seemed like the writing was …beyond the outside of home plate. Peter seemed stilted and helpless and his presence wasn’t good except for the P/O scenes, Olivia seemed understated for the edge of the Apocalypse, Walter was not as forceful in scenes that required intense conflict. Nina not thinking that Peter was from another timeline, so OF COURSE he would know about the technology. Did Nina REALLY need to be in the chopper with P/O? Why not Broyles? I have always liked the character, but this episode almost felt like her presence was obligatory, not natural.

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  60. lost_stef says

    Haven’t read everyones opinions yet but i really enjoyed the episode and enjoyed the way it ended.

    Yes we didnt get the cliffhangers that we got season 1-3 but i think its a nice set up heading into season 5 and the whole future storyline they attend to take us. Yes we all knew Astrid would survive, olivia would survive and she would be pregnant but i still enjoyed it.

    Ive got to say that hospital scene with Olivia and Peter was so beautiful and everything i hoped it would be when we found out Olive was pregnant.

    This episode made me laugh (Walter and the urine) it made me scream (Olivia getting shot in the head) and it made me cry (Olivia getting shot in the head and Olivia telling Peter she was pregnant)

    I just cant wait for season 5

    Its gonna be a long break now until season 5 so everyone should be thankful and happy that we are even getting one. Take this time to rewatch the whole series and enjoy just how good this show is!

    Love you all Fringies

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    • Maris says

      Oh can I hug you lost_stef? This episode too make me laught, scream and cry. Really good one!!
      Yeah, this episode was for me a very good one, especially if you remember that this was supposed to be the end of the show.

      And now we wait for a season 5 !!!! This is going to be a very long summer!!!!

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  61. bell says

    Here’s my take on Fringe after re-watching some old season episodes this past week in anticipation for the season finale last night: Season 3 was supposed to be the final season. There was such build up. The war between universes, everything made sense – Walter’s past, Peter’s past, Walternate’s views, – it was perfect. Even the Machine helped to create great Drama. Then they found out they were renewed and didn’t quite no where to go. I don’t think Season 4 was bad at all. It was probably the weakest of the 4 seasons, but that makes sense seeing as how the writers probably figured the end of the WAR between Universes would be the end of the story. And there were some very strong episodes in Season 4. I think season 5 actually sets up very nicely. I do agree the finale was underwhelming – not sure why, just thought it was, although it resolved itself quite well. Its important to remember that heady, intelligent shows like this don’t come around very often. The worst episode of FRINGE is better than 99% of the crap on TV, in my opinion. So for the 13 episodes that are left, I will enjoy it. I think its a perfect amount. And I think the writers will hit the ground running because they have to.

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    • bell says

      Almost forgot! Very clever plot twist with Bell telling Walter he removed his brain matter because Walter was the one getting the God Complex! I immediately thought back to a line from “PETER” which is my favorite episode ever:

      “I always thought of you as a scientist, Dr Warren – despite your personal need for Religious Clap-trap. There room for only one God in this lab and its not yours…”

      Then key the dark, forboding music – wow – gives me chills every time. Nice to see that plot point come full circle!

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      • J.P. says

        Although, while Walter may have had a “God complex” in the ORIGINAL timeline, it didn’t grow into his plans to create a new universe under his rule, because Peter was still alive. I think some people may have forgotten that.

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  62. Page 48 says

    Broyles was promoted for what again? Wearing a suit well? Being Bold?

    What did Bell promise Jessica and his armed thugs at the warehouse to get them to agree to certain death? Money? A nice dinner? A shortened 5th season?

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  63. Dylan says

    Anyone got an explanation for why Olivia was all of the sudden no longer the power source after she was brought back to life?

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    • Sajib says

      I think Walter provided an explanation at the hospital, saying that all the Cortexiphan dissipated from her body and that she might actually get to live a normal life now.

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    • bell says

      I think Walter said she would have little or no cortexifan in her system because it would have been used up repairing the wound. Pretty sure I heard that?

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      • Page 48 says

        Isn’t the Cortexiphan the key to Olivia “remembering” Peter and the details of her other timeline? Will a Cortexiphan drain erase those memories as she returns to ‘normal’?

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        • cc says

          I almost expected her to say “I’m pregnant, but who are you?” LOL

          not really… but they had me worried for the split of a second.

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          • DeepRunner says

            Wyman was asked about why Olivia hesitated when she told Peter she was pregnant, and whether or not it was because she saw something or learned something when she died. His reply was that the person was perceptive, but that we would understand Olivia’s hesitation in season 5.

            Any guesses as to why? Was it because:

            a. She had her own moment with September in her mind where she sees what happens to her in the future

            b. She somehow mystically learned about Henry

            c. She was afraid of Peter’s reaction, or

            d. Some other reason, and if so, what?

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            • Red Balloon says

              I still think that Olivia could be in danger because of the pregnancy. I believe there’s gonna be some kind of problem caused by cortexiphan abuse (from the writers, lol) and it’s gonna become a matter of life and death for her: either Etta lives or Olive lives: CHOOSE!!! :s

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    • Maris says

      I hear that too! She has or a little or nothing more of cortexiphan in her system.
      But I something that intrigues me is that, the cortexiphan because of all this years in her system, was not in her DNA ?
      I remember something like that,… or I’m imagine things?

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  64. Biogeek says

    I was thinking, Walter had parts of his brain removed, so that he wouldn’t be who William Bell is on S4. If Letters of Transit indeed is a ‘jump into the future’ of Fringe-verse, then would it mean that getting back Walter’s brain-parts will eventually make him resort to ‘play god’? Collapse universes to get rid of Observers? Use Olivia to create another universe and lure/trap the conquering Observers, and sacrifice Olivia in the end? It’s a step up to Olivia’s abilities- from telekinesis, to time-travel, to universe-jumping, to wii-manator etc, to a source of universe-collapsing power, to finally be able to create a universe with her mind. I know that the Cortexiphan’s already depleted from her system, but it doesn’t preclude them to re-activate her (I’ll be surprised if they don’t).

    My theory above might have already been discussed somewhere above, but I would rather not ruin my day.

    Now, my eyes is on Walter. No week counter for me now though…

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    • bell says

      Nice theory! I hope we really get to see the “bad-ass” Walter with all his faculties. I know Noble doesn’t like those versions of Walter as much as regular old Walter, but I think its going to be an important plot point and key to our future survival!

      Isn’t it interesting how everything always come back to Walter? Even last night’s finale? And now the future may depend on him as well!

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      • Biogeek says

        Yep, and I know this sounds way obvious, but John Noble delivered fantastically: the intricate balance between a en pointe scientist who wants to save Olivia, and the fragility of someone who might loose his loved-one. Amazing!

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  65. megan says

    I thought it was a good episode. I do wonder where Bell went. With 13episodes left are they going to jump ahead to after the baby is born? If not then Olivia will be pregnant the entire time.

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    • DeepRunner says

      It could be a lot of back-and-forth with flash forward to the future, then to the present, with the series ending with a baby Etta.

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    • lost_stef says

      I to was also wondering where they are going to begin season5. We will have to wait and see.

      Personally they may have to do a time jump the mb have flashbacks of Olivia pregnant. I also would love to see Olivia pregant and i would love to see Peter holding is little Etta baby :)

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    • Maris says

      I too was thinking about that, and I think that a time jump is in order for them with only 13 episodes

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  66. Maris says

    Oh and by the way, Walter slapping Peter … that really surprised me, and I need to say was kind of funny!! :)

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  67. mrflamethunder says

    No filler episodes next season.
    Is this a good enough reason to keep the disappointing fans?

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  68. James says

    I think the scene where they lay Olivia on the desk and Walter attempts to save her is the best scene in the entirety of Fringe.

    With headphones on, I felt even more immersed in the amazing acting, the score and the sounds.

    It was absolutely chilling.

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  69. NeverSayNever says

    First Time Blogger…A reader of few times.

    I just want to say that for this supposedly being the series finale, prior to renewal, it did answer a few questions. Obvious ones that have already been discussed, but also there are still many that haven’t been addressed.

    One topic that I have been thinking about is the removal of Walter’s brain. Yes, Bell claims it was Walter’s idea to remove those parts, but we don’t know that for sure. Bell might have removed it himself because Walter was trying to stop him from the ‘God’ complex, so Bell erased the memories. Yes, Walter seemed somewhat evil in the early days, but who knows maybe he changed after losing his wife. Just a thought.

    I am assuming that this is a ‘new’ timeline of the old version, what should have happened but slightly altered. Will S5 reflect what Peter saw at the end of S3 or something different? Ella/Etta?

    I’d kind of like to see if the alt-universe ever heals. Would they reopen the bridge to help out?

    I know there are plenty of other questions in my head that I would love to have answered but not needed to ask. I have been a big fan of Fringe and always will be. S4 was very good, I always watch for entertainment the first time around then do my analysis the second, third, etc. times I watch. My opinion is that the finale was good just not great, but I think over time I will like it more.

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  70. Samuel says

    Yeah, I agree the finale was pretty much spoiled by LoT, but I still enjoyed seeing it play out.
    The Jessica moment was so freaky I almost couldn’t watch,
    especially the long-needle-in-the-head part. (Yeah, I hate needles)
    I loved the roles that Nina and Broyles played, and how Peter and Liv coordinated with each other, and also how Astrid and Walter are so in sync now LOL
    Astrid at the opening almost made me teared, really.
    Bell has gone maniac… But now at least we know what inspired Walter to start the Cortiexi trials: Walter wanting to create a new world.
    Oh, and I was laughing the whole time during the Olivia self-heal process. Sorry, it really was a bit ridiculous, but I enjoyed it, kind of.
    The biggest let down? Weak cliffhanger. Really WEAK.
    I’m more interested in where Bell vanished to and how he did it anyway…

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  71. kidentropia says

    Walter shooting Olivia was shocking, absolutely shocking, but it also shows how much he has evolved, as a human being, in 25 years. I know he´s had to sacrifice Peter before (in two timelines at least!) but also to sacrifice Olivia? That´s very, very hard. He knows right from wrong and knows what must be done, when it must be done. Definitely a great character moment.
    This wasn´t, by far, the best season finale Fringe has ever had, but it was quite an interesting experiment in connective storytelling: closing this current story arc while at the same time establishing the personal-emotional context our characters will be in when the next big threat arrives. Pretty well done.

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  72. J.P. says

    Wow… Once again, everybody who didn’t like the episode is discriminated and insulted. Come on folks, it’s a person’s right to have their own opinion, so please just lay off and try showing a little thing called “respect”.

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    • matt says

      yes but respect is a two way street. I think the reactions would be different if the comments were simply stated opinions and not angry, hateful and lashing out-y and written in a way that almost seem deliberately intended to ruin it for other people. honestly, I felt amazing about the episode until I came here and read some of darth kate’s posts (because they were highlighted and my attention was brought there). it was a total buzz kill and I think that’s what’s upsetting people, yeah?

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      • matt says

        as biogeek told us in his comment, he didnt read the posts above his and just posted his theory not knowing if it was there already or not because he didnt want to have his day ruined by reading all the negative crap

        so I agree, let’s ALL try some respect shall we?

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  73. Talos says

    I loved the finale, but to those who found it ant-climatic due to Letters of Transit, I offer these thoughts.
    Letters of Transit may have been done to show the Fox executives what they could expect from season 5, and if they go balls to the wall, maybe, just maybe we will have a season 6. This might have been the reason for closing access to the alt-universe, (for the time being perhaps),and resolving several of the plot lines to possibly attract new viewers. A war for our future has the potential to bring in new viewers, and the producers are fairly adept at web based viral campaigns.

    Peace out.

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  74. shidey17 says

    Holy mother. Just logged on and there are already 361 comments. You guys have been busy!

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  75. FringeCharacter says

    Fringe is still the only show that I *actively* watch (and rewatch). I avoided spoilers for both parts of the finale and thought both were wonderful, though I would have preferred a two-hour finale. With a week to process part one, some of the events in part two were expected.

    Leonard Nimoy and John Noble were beyond extraordinary. What a powerhouse of talent!

    Congratulations to all the actors, artists, musicians, writers, producers, and crew on a wonderful season. Thank you for making me “wish Friday would hurry up” each week. I am looking forward to September!

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      • trancefreak says

        @Fringe character I would love to copy and past your comment +1000. I don’t watch much tv @ all. I bought fringe season 1&2 dirt cheap on dvd because I didn’t understand a single element about the show and called it stupid.

        So I decided to go and see what the fuss was. I got to watch 3 seasons on a Fringe binge and I am now a bigger fan than her. The program is so Immerse I love it. The best part was I didn’t have till wait until next year it was pure continuity with no commercial distractions until I got to season 3 DVR and the latest last 4 eps

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  76. June08 says

    As most of us, I enjoyed this season finale but…it was probably the weakest one of all and it makes sense as if it had been the series finale, it would have ended gently without a big cliffhanger to make us all mad and frustrated.

    So it makes sense even if I’m frustrated by the lack of surprise and WTF moment.

    Anyway, bring on season 5 now!

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  77. matt says

    Rocco I accidentally clicked 9! I cant believe it! please change my vote to a 10! it was a mistake!

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    • matt says

      damn you darth kate! you buzz kill! i read a few of your comments and then my finger slipped at the last minute!

      please rocco let me take that vote back or I’ll never forgive myself for straying to the dark side!

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      • matt says

        I’ll be back to drop the original flattering comment I intended to write later when I’ve finished retcon-ing what I’ve seen here out of my head lol

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  78. cc says

    okay. I have a question.

    We now know when September gets shot. Olivia tells him that he warned her with the gunshot wound. That hasn’t happened to him yet, so this happens later.

    But in the end he shows up and tells Walter “they’re coming”. He’s fine and doesn’t have the wound. Does that mean that’s before they caught him in the “devilstrap” or does that mean that he won’t die from his injury – recovers and tells Walter after? What do you think?

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    • 134sc says

      I thought about that as well. I’m not sure.

      In this episode, September is shot and then he tells Olivia he must investigate the future in order to see whats going on. He does, and finds out that Olivia has to die. He appears to Olivia and tells her she has to die. He then he appears in the lab and Peter goes into September’s mind as he is dying. He tells Peter he has the chance to make things right (how and for what cause, we do not know. I believe he knows Etta is important, but doesn’t know why), the Observers then take him away (where presumably September dies). Peter gets September back with the beacon, and September is healed, he then finds out about the invasion and appears to Walter and tells him they are coming.

      Or (and I like this one more)

      September appeared to Walter first (end of this episode), then gets shot and investigates the future, then appears to Olivia, then appers in the lab and Peter goes into his mind. He tells Peter he can make things right (if he is refering to Etta, then why doesn’t he tell Peter about the invasion? Possibly because the future where Olivia dies must happen, so he cannot reveal to much), September is taken away by the Observers and presumebly dies. Peter brings him back with the beacon, and September dissapears forever.

      Either way, if I am anywhere near right, it will be very interesting to find out.

      ps. I realized that Bell recognized and knew exactly who Peter was, without being shocked. As far as he was concerned Peter was dead, (he even acknowledges as much to Walter). Yes, DRJ probably told him about Peter, but wouldn’t he be curious as to how Peter is back. I think Bell knows way more than we think; including the timeline shift.

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      • says

        FYI: These are just my THOUGHTS and THEORIES on how the events of season 4 occurred chronologically for September. I could be completely wrong! :)

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  79. Dylan says

    I only have enough energy to post once more – given that the rest has been drained in trying to reason with the majority of you. You really are the most intolerable bunch I have ever met, which is a shame, because you were always very happy to start a discussion – and once upon a time it used to be kept on topic.

    So I leave with three last things to say:

    1) No, Darth Kate and I were not the same entity.
    2) When someone makes a post, and you respond, and they acknowledge your response and courteously choose to respond to it, don’t then turn around and call them “attention seekers”.
    3) Labels are insults. Keep that in mind in case another naive person comes onto this blogging website, expecting to be able to share their opinions – whatever they may be, and discuss a show they watch – through the ups and downs and with loyalty – only to be demeaned, humiliated, and bullied into submission so that they leave.

    Yes, the Fringe finale was not my favourite. Yes, I did not like season 4. But was it the quality of the season that helped my decision to leave? Or was it this place, and the cesspool it has become?

    I’ll leave you with that to think about.

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      Wait a second!
      If you and Kate are gone, does that mean I’m ”the next best thing”, and that everyone will start attacking me!?
      Dylan, Darth Kate, please don’t leave me alone!!!!!!!!

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  80. Fringefan says

    This was certainly a very quiet season finale. Almost like a series finale. LOL. All because we actually know where the story was going. AFAIK you only do that when you are really really ending. They could have given us some shocker, like Bell in cohorts with the other observers or something. Something to think about over the summer. Anyway, I hope they make the storytelling of season5 interesting. That’s all a fan could ask for.

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  81. Epiclylaterd says

    With Bells funding for the ZFT, was his plan all along to collapse the universe and start new? If so, why did he sacrifice himself to help peter, olivia and Walter cross over, ultimately destroying the chances of carrying out his plan?

    Is it possible that he became “evil” after Peter was erased from the timeline, thinking about Walter’s contempt for “god” and diagnosis with cancer to lead him to play god himself?

    Also, what exactly is the war they’ve been preparing for? In one of the earlier seasons, Bell describes the impending war to Olivia. Is this the war between the two universes or foreshadowing of the war against the observers? There is a line in the ZFT somewhere about a “war against others that are more technologically advanced.”

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  82. mlj102 says

    Well, it has certainly taken a long time, but I have finally managed to read all the comments from this episode. And I have to say, I wasn’t expecting what I found here. There have been some seriously intense reactions to this episode, resulting in some equally intense discussions. For what it’s worth, here are my thoughts:

    To those who found Season 4 disappointing: I know a lot of people are frustrated by the “timeline reset” story. Personally, I don’t find it to be as detrimental to the show as so many people suggest it to be. I see comments from people that say how this season completely ruined Fringe for them, and I don’t get it. Yes, the timeline reset, but I don’t think it makes the first three seasons invalid. Those seasons still happened and they still play a part in the show. The events of those seasons still matter. These are our characters. The only difference was that Peter was not an influence in their lives. Consequently, some things happened differently. But the characters – the core of who they are – are the same. Ever since Peter returned, they have gradually returned to the same characters. They may not all remember the specifics like Olivia does, but they have changed as a result of now having Peter in their lives. That’s good enough for me. And that does not make me ignorant or blind to the deeper intricacies of what is taking place. I’m paying attention and I’m thinking and it still works enough for me.

    Sure, this season has had its weak points and shortcomings. All seasons have that. Season 1 had the resolution to the John Scott story: it still bothers me the way they chose to resolve that. Season 2 had a lot of missed opportunities: there was so much more they could have done with stories like Charlie being replaced with a shapeshifter and Peter learning the truth and returning to the other side. Season 3 had the love triangle and alternate Olivia over here: I still can’t accept that she managed to fool everyone into thinking she was our Olivia. There will always be aspects of a season that you wish were different. No season is perfect. But I think it’s difficult to see that in the moment. Perhaps you’ll rewatch Season 4 and find it’s not as bad as you think. And even if it is as bad as you think, hopefully those things don’t prevent you from enjoying the show as a whole. Personally, I don’t feel like the negative things outweigh the positive things from this season, and it’s certainly not enough for me to consider Fringe a lost cause.

    To those who felt the cliffhanger was lame: Season finale doesn’t mean there has to be some huge cliffhanger. My biggest concern going into the finale was that it would end with Olivia’s life in danger. I felt that would have been cheap and unnecessary. Fringe has never been the kind of show to convey those kinds of typical cliffhangers, but I was worried they would go that route this time. So I was quite relieved that they resolved that within this episode. The cliffhanger is still there. It may not be as startling as finding Olivia on the other side or as drastic as Peter ceasing to exist, but that doesn’t make it any less effective for me. The season finale closed one chapter and opened the door to the next chapter. It served its purpose and, in my opinion, it did so in a very satisfying way.

    To those who suggest Letters of Transit spoiled the finale and would been more appropriate as the finale: What does it matter? Really, when all is said and done, does the order matter? No. At least not to me and not in this case. Fringe has always been an unconventional sort of show, jumping around alternate realities and across time. I don’t see why it would have made that much of a difference for Letters of Transit to be the finale. It’s the same information leading to the same set up for next season. So just because we caught a glimpse of the future and where the show was going doesn’t make what happened in this episode predictable or unnecessary. Sure, Letters of Transit alluded to many of the things that happened in this episode. But there’s nothing wrong with that. This episode filled in a lot of the holes and helped to set the stage for those events to happen.

    To those who believe the writers are making this up as they go along: I believe there is a certain amount of improvising they do as they go along – it’s complicated to weave together a story as intricate as Fringe. But in general, I think they have the framework outlined and they know where the story is leading. I fully disagree with the idea that they expected Season 3 to be the end, and consequently wrote themselves into a corner by the end, and this whole season has been the result of trying to figure a way out of that. We may not like the answers that have been given, and we may not completely understand the answers/the answers don’t make sense, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t know where they were going with the story. I’ve always felt that there has always been a very deliberate reason behind the big developments in the show. You can tell when a show has tripped up over its own story, when the writers make big changes to established developments in order to take it in a new direction. And while Fringe has not always been seamless, I’ve never felt like they have been scrambling to make the pieces fit.

    To those who are frustrated with the regular complaining following an episode: I sympathize with this frustration because I feel it, too, but there’s no reason to overreact. If you see a comment you don’t like, then don’t answer. Skip past it. Ignore it. If you disagree with something someone else says and feel like commenting, respond by sharing your opinion in a respectful way. But the open hostility I’ve seen here is truly over the top.

    To those who do the regular complaining: We’ve had this discussion before, so I’m not going to say much. I will repeat that just because someone decides to respond to what you say, it doesn’t mean they are attacking you. Sometimes I think everyone here is just a little bit too quick to be defensive and assume others are attacking them, when usually that’s not the intention at all. I’m not saying it’s all your fault… but the way you comment has a tendency of causing people to have strong reactions. You can have your opinion and you can share your opinion, but keep in mind that by doing so, you are inviting feedback. You know people will respond, and you know there will be people who disagree with what you say, so don’t be surprised or upset when people respond.

    As for my evaluation of the episode: I thought it was brilliant. I thought it had a little bit of everything: follow up with the Jessica story and her actually working for Bell, observer involvement while learning slightly more about them and the foreshadowing to the Letters of Transit Observer future, conclusion to the William Bell threat of destroying both universes to create a new one, and so on. This episode had fantastic interactions between characters, from Peter and Olivia, to Walter and Astrid, Nina and Olivia, Walter and Bell, Peter and Walter… it was all there. I thought they did a good job of using all the characters and giving them each their moments to shine. I thought this episode had both emotion and action. I thought this episode did a wonderful job of exploring key ideas (such as fate and destiny, and religion/God and science) and it continued the bigger stories that have been building all season, including Olivia and cortexiphan, William Bell, and the Observer. The episode resolved many ongoing concerns and we actually got to see our characters happy, while simultaneously setting the stage for where the story will go next season. I really don’t have any complaints over how this season ended.

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    • Surun Tunne says

      very well said! I especially agree with what you said about the reset and that the characters are still “our” characters.

      it’s just like nina said in this episode to olivia: “you may have a different set of memories but at heart, you’re still the same girl I knew”

      (not sure if that’s exactly what she said but that’s how I remember it)

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    • number six says

      “To those who felt the cliffhanger was lame: Season finale doesn’t mean there has to be some huge cliffhanger. My biggest concern going into the finale was that it would end with Olivia’s life in danger. I felt that would have been cheap and unnecessary. ”

      I absolutely agree with this. I think the cliffhanger was perfect and there was nothing lame about it. Predictable? Yes. Low-key? Very much so, but that doesn’t bother me, because its predictability had nothing to do with bad writing and everything to do with logic, since we’ve been basically watching flashbacks since episode 4.19. Being low-key doesn’t prevent speculation and I think there’s lots of stuff to speculate about during the hiatus.

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        • Lincless says

          Maybe it’s even a cliffhanger they know how they’re going to resolve it in a plausible way! :)
          That would be nice.

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    • says

      Thank you very much for you thoughtful post. I feel pretty much the same on mostly everything you said.

      I’m not a huge fan of season four and it’s not because of the reset. I actually found it (reset) interesting. It was nice to see how different (and unchanged) our characters were without Peter. I also liked the Peter character a whole lot this season. We saw how he was an integral part to this family unit feeling complete. This season was also a standout for Josh Jackson’s acting. He was fantastic, especially in his scenes with Anna. I appreciated the Peter Olivia relationship a lot more this season (although I’ve always shipped them). I really enjoyed seeing them fall in love again.

      The major complaint for me was the addition of the “over here” Lincoln. It felt forced and didn’t pay off (at least not yet). We spent a lot of time with this character, but to what end? This may seem petty, but the chemistry felt off whenever he was involved, especially after Peter returned. I thought it was because he was brought in to create this ‘love triangle’, but after that was no longer a threat, I didn’t feel any better about the character. I like Seth Gable, so I hope if they do bring him back, they give the character a better purpose than mooning of the Olivia(s).

      With that said, I LOVED this episode. I would have been fine with it as the series closer, but I am so EXCITED that we get to explore the world of Fringe a little more. I just hope they don’t kill off Olivia in the final final. :)

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    • says

      Beautifully written post! I agree with everything that you said!

      You’re right in that a lot of people have complained that this timeline reset has made the events of season 1-3 irrelevant. That’s not true- the events of season 1-3 still live on in Peter and Olivia, who both clearly remember everything that has come before. In the episode “Nothing as it seems” they were able to get closer to solving the case since they remembered the details of the case from season 1 and they also remembered their encounters with Markham and so when it came to deciphering the symbol of the animal’s body, they knew where to go. Also, Peter and Olivia remember Alt-Olivia’s actions in season 3 which is why they both are so guarded around her. Lastly, Peter and Olivia remember questioning John Scott in season 1 which is where they got the idea to question Jessica even though she was dead. And perhaps most importantly, the remember their encounters with September in the past which will probably play a huge role in season 5.

      So, accordingly to Peter and Olivia the events of season 1-3 happened.

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        • says

          I absolutely agree with you Lincless- classy name by the way! :)

          You’re right, their memories are NOT reflected in the current reality that is season 4- they’re just memories. But, Peter and Olivia have been known to influence the world around them with their thoughts, which is kind of shown through the changes in Walter. He becomes more like the Walter we knew through Peter’s presence, but not quite 100% the same.

          I’m just saying that the past 3 seasons is remembered and is relevant for both Peter and Olivia. I think that this is the showrunners’ way of saying that it hasn’t been completely forgotten.

          Thanks for replying to my post!

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  83. Surun Tunne says

    this episode just focused a lot more on the characters…

    it was clear to most of us that olivia woul not be dead at the end but the whole scene in which walter shot her and then trying to save her with peters help was heartbreaking and an amazing scene.

    loved this episode

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  84. Geoff says

    I have to say the sandwich comment by Walter at the end was one of the all-time best.

    Also, the eyes of the dead woman was completely freaky. I would love to know how they do that in post-production.

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  85. LastManInSpace says

    Gotta say, this place is going to be a little less interesting without Kate and Dylan around:( Boo

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  86. SissySiri says

    Just re-watched the finale, I found it just as good if not better! Two things I found, one so funny the other touching. Living in Massachusetts as I do, Worcester is not pronounced Woo-stir, the correct pronunciation is Woos-ta. And the second was at the end when Walter was whistling Rock-a-bye-baby. Priceless.

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  87. ML says