FRINGE: 4.21 Brave New World: Part 1

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A mysterious Fringe event causing people to spontaneously combust forces Walter to revisit his painful past while the Fringe team faces off against David Robert Jones to save the world, or worlds, in the all-new “Brave New World, Part 1 of 2″.

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  1. Scott42444 says

    Less than an hour to go, and although this episode looks pretty damn good, it doesn’t look SERIES FINALE good. Once again, thank you Fox and WB, among others for giving us 13 more episodes. With a planned conclusion, we can feel as though we got a complete story.
    Probably one of my favorite Sci-Fi stories of all-time, if of course Season 5 is a amazing as I envision it!

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    • Jacksonheights says

      Glad to say you are absolutely wrong EXCELLENT episode. This is the Fringe we have been waiting for. Awesome

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      • Scott42444 says

        I am glad I was wrong as well, bit I think I enjoyed this episode less than others. BUT, I think that will change when I see part 2 and kind of view the 2 episodes together as a whole. I hate that they split finales up like that, I feel like the 1st part is always such a damn tease!

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        • Scott42444 says

          Plus, even reading the description of the episode above me by a few inches. They are out to stop “David Robert Jones” and his plan. He has been such a major foe, who dispatches shape shifters and black mailed henchmen to do his bidding over the course of multiple seasons. You have to admit, it looked silly having him be the one who is actually caught on camera messing with the escalator. Why would he? Why do they have a sun-beam laser that destroys a building but then have DRJ go BY HIMSELF to kill Peter instead of sending one, two, or even 10 of his super-powered shapeshifters to get him instead? Why have 2 fake security guards on site and have them stop Olivia instead of helping you kill Peter? Oh, and he also gets shot and stabbed but heals right up all the other times you try to kill him. We don’t need him to be the uber-villain anymore because now we have Leonard Nimoy who agreed to be in a few scenes so lets kill him off in a fairly unspectacular fashion. I am much happier with William Bell as a super villain, don’t get me wrong, and I get why. It just seems so sudden and unspectacular for a “multi-season villain” like Jones. Let’s shoot Astrid, the one time she gets a gun in her hands, but there really isn’t any feeling of danger there (I hope there isn’t because I love Astrid) because almost nobody thinks that she will actually die (either because of the lemon cake scene or because of her presence in 4.19). I feel as if there were quite a few scenes that were kind of insignificant (including a whole 5 minute Sprint commercial, which I am not complaining about but still…). Hopefully, when I see the episode on Friday it will all come together. I think it is one of the only complaints that I have with Fringe that other people have as well, that there are scenes (or seasons) which are really cool but don’t mean anything 2 episodes later.

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      • Scott42444 says

        Anyone spot the observer? I didn’t see one, which could mean that a character whom we did see is an observer.

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  2. Brian Moore says

    YEAAAAAAAAAH!!!!! William is BAAAAACK!

    I thought Nimoy was retired! His health is clearly not great! He’s over 80! Yet he came BAAAAAACK!

    I am SOOOOOO Happy!

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  3. Ben says

    NOooooo!

    Just as we’re finding out just how much butt Astrid can kick now, that has to happen.

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  4. Maris says

    Oh My Dear Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Astrid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m crying, why they did that !!! Belly you’re ********* ….

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    • hal says

      yes.. i felt a tinge of something there when i saw that. like Astrid was the only character I ever liked.. and now this happens. why fringe.. WHY

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      • lost_stef says

        i am so devasted right now! what have they done to Astrid! please dont be dead you beautiful lady!!

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        • Maris says

          Yeah, Astrid is really make me lose my sleep!!! I know in the deep down of my heart that she is not dead, but still, it makes me really sad!!

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  5. hal says

    that was disappointing in more ways than one.. I’m hoping the next episode won’t p*** around and get to the point.. the next 44 minutes have some serious explaining to do…

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  6. Sanj says

    Thank you Leonard Nimoy. It needs to be said for such an august actor to come out of retirement like this. And damn it you look GREAT.

    So…this is what would have happened in the Fringe universe if Peter hadn’t been taken from the other universe. Bellie “died” in a fake car crash (a real one in the other universe). And he turned in to the villain we all suspected he was back in Season One.

    I only have two complaints:

    Number one…Sprint, screw you and your stupid, excessive product placement. All you did is make me angry so if you were hoping to sell me on your service: mission not accomplished.

    Number two…David Robert Jones died way too easily. Or did I miss the point…was he held together by Bellie’s nanotech?

    Anyway…welcome back William Bell. It is so good to see you again.

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    • Scott42444 says

      Always enjoyed having “Coke” instead of “Cola” on a television show. That being said…

      Both Sprint and Nissan DO have excessive product placement, but…

      If it weren’t for them, we probably wouldn’t have a Fringe episode to watch right now. They have been trying to keep the cost of the show down because of ratings for a couple years now, so can you really be that upset that we are learning about the “range” of a Nissan Leaf Electric (earlier this season or late last season) or we are having prolonged Sprint video chats and NFC payments? I like that they have been trying to make money in creative ways since Fringe gets killed based on Nielsen ratings but has been successful in other ways (Twitter, Get Glue, Sprint and Nissan product placement). Especially for a show whose viewers are so reliant on DVR viewing, you can’t really blame them for getting some ads placed into the episode.

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    • fedorafadares says

      Re: Sprint

      But didn’t you notice that the guy used a Sprint phone then immediately died? It was a product placement fail! Haha!

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  7. Maris says

    My God, really what was that!
    Belly is back, and was the heard of this all the time!! I’m shaking right now!! I just can believe!!
    And what was that with Astrid? I hope she is not dead, come on!! Belly is bad.. BAD…. Oh God…
    And what was that creepy Olivia new’s power !!!! Oo Really that was very creepy, Peter was like a marionette!!! She is more powerful than we all imagine, she is like a very, very, lethal weapen!!
    Oh I am very mad with Willan Bell right now! Walter can be crazy, but he was right!!!
    Why they do that to was, that was very cruel to us!!!
    But, after all I LOVE this episode…
    I just need to calm down, my head is turning around and around, and my nerves are in tatters…. Oh God…

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      • Maris says

        Thanks MISSNETT I’m trying, but I didn’t expect all that…*crying and banging my head on a wall *

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        • MISSNETT says

          I know!! Me too!! Taking deep breath again!! Eeeee!! If I could I’d be right there beside you to hug and cry together!

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          • Maris says

            Oh thanks :) … I think that I need a couple of hours to calm down … and the worst is that episode make all this feelings, but was so wonderful … Oh Fringe, what you doing !!!!!!!!

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            • lost_stef says

              OLIVIA showed us why she is the DUNHAMANTOR!!!! she kicked ass she freaking awesome!! i loved Olivia so much already and this episode she totally rocked my world!!!!

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  8. MISSNETT says

    Great episode! I can’t believe they kept Leonard Nimoy a secret!! I’m just in shock!
    Astrid can’t be dead! No way! I will be rewatching this one over and over until next week!!!!

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    • dte421 says

      Not to be rude, but if you’ve actually been watching the last 6 episodes and we’re surprised that Leonard Nimoy was back… then you haven’t been paying attention.

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      • nora says

        I think what she was referring to the fact Nimoy ACTUALLY appeared in the flesh in the episode – b/c there were rumors about his retirement, I think he even said himself he’s done with filming. (Though he already had an appearence in Letters Of Transit, but that was just a cameo.) And maybe MISSNETT meant that she was surprised by that they could keep Nimoy’s return a secret – that it haven’t been leaked before this episode. B/c I’m pretty much up-to-date regarding this show and I was still surprised by all this. “Not to be rude.” (Sorry, I’m a bit grumpy today.)

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        • shidey17 says

          Agreed. I think we were all expecting a Bell return in some form. I was expecting maybe just a voice over or at the very most a brief cameo, but we got him the flesh for a pretty substantial amount of time. I was very pleasantly shocked.

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        • MISSNETT says

          Thanks for the support Nora that’s exactly what i meant! :) I knew Bell was coming back in some fashion. Never expected Nimoy to come out of retirement. But I’m sure am glad he did! And the fact that it was not spoiled in some blog or interview was great! Of course I do try to stay away from spoilers if I can. I like the surprise of seeing the story unfold.

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  9. 134sc says

    Im so confused.

    Was Olivia able to do that with her powers before? Or are the writers just doing whatever the hell they want? Or has it not been established what she could do, so that the writers are allowed to do whatever the hell they want? So Wlliam Bell is alive, did anybody think he might be from the redverse? Why is he doing this to both universes? Is he evil in this timeline, if in fact he is from the blueverse? What happened to RDJ? That was odd…even for Fringe.

    This episode provided way more questions than answers.

    Astrid shot. What the hell? But she was alive in the future, so I gues she is ok.

    O, I was very surprised they got Nimoy back…they kept that one close to the chest. Kudos.

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    • Hsa says

      how many times have we been told that Olivia is just coming into her powers ??? Remember how she lifted the box of lab equipment when it was about to fall earlier…I think it was when Walterwas in shackles!!! What a show. I love the kinetic power.. I love Fringe forever

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      • Dylan says

        How come her powers are so wildly different to one another, all of the other cortexiphan students, and the season 3 future setting?

        Why is it that when the situation calls for a specific ability, Olivia all of the sudden can perform it?

        It would be nice if the plot stopped using her (memories, powers, etc), and would be nice if it started serving her again (remember when she used to be the show’s lead character?).

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        • D says

          Actually, there is a consistency — they all involve the ability to move matter around. Move molecules really fast and you can ignite them; slow them down, you cool them or slow their motion (as in catching the box in the future lab scene; and move them apart, you can pass through them.

          The Kinect scene on the roof seemed the biggest stretch (oddly corny feel to it too), but I suppose I can accept that turning Peter into a marionette is ultimately a matter of controlling the molecules in his body.

          I don’t see it as mind control, but rather matter control.

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          • Darth Kate says

            agree. my biggest concern is that Jones was running around doing all of bell’s errands personally *and* that william bell is now the big bad. The conflict that the first three seasons had built up to is pretty much a figment of the past and that’s where my investment was. This new conflict isn’t as coherent because we had no development of the *why* and the *who* until just recently and now its about to wrap itself up.

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            • D says

              I am not convinced Bell is the big bad, but I agree that the exposition has been uneven and lurches about too much.

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    • Red Balloon says

      I’m not confused, I’m just not surprised…Since forever we’ve all known that Jones was just another pawn playing for the Big Bad (season 1 agent Loeb said it); we’ve always known which MD’s experiments worked well (season 1 mind control clone boy freak Nina alerted Bell from) and since then I’ve imagined that the obvious villain should be Walter’s best friend (aka Bell) or Walter’s best friend’s girlfriend (aka Nina); we’ve always known that Olivia is the strongest and the only one who can assimilate cortexiphan naturally and without bad outcomes other than migraines; I’ve always suspected about the Observer’s world being conquerors of ours, that’s why they were determined to let things play as they played once (my only doubt was if they were from this planet or humans), and finally I’ve always accepted Petah as a pretty cool concept until he suddenly became too real with his uncomfortable love for the machine and guns; he’s the boyfriend, he’s the daddy, he’s the son, he’s the hero and anything surrounding him should be taken by an act of faith.

      So my point about Fringe’s last developments is that I’m thankful for the bit Dunhamnator and Astrid action, Nina’s scripts, the AU’s characters, Elizabeth’s appearances, Walter Bishop with full brain, and the creative landscapes they’ve been given us, and Anna Torv, John Noble, Blair Brown and Jasika Nicole for putting up with their scripts, because that’s the only extended interesting thing that’s been grabbing my attention for the last 3 moths.

      I’ve been sitting on a bus stop station ever since Petah showed up again and after 16 episodes, we’re just learning that Olivia’s powers have been activated…and I for one have been wanting to see that ever since season’s 3 finale.

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  10. SissySiri says

    I will never believe one thing said in any future interviews again. There has to be a way to save Astrid . . . please!!!! For me this episode and next week’s promos are not making me happy at all. I found this episode all over the place. Disappointed.

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    • Scott42444 says

      I am with you, but as I say above, I think that (and Lost was notorious with this) the penultimate episode is always just a set-up for the finale . Last year was different, which was awesome, because they kind of just threw us a curve ball and sent Peter’s conscious to the future (exactly the kind of thing only Fringe would do, which is why I friggin’ love it!) . But I remember watching Lost and seeing either the second to last episode, or the first half of a 2 hour finale and being disappointed because it is all set-up and no payoff. If you view “A Brave New World 1 & 2″ together you will probably feel differently.

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  11. charliefan19 says

    Surprises: 1. Astrid getting shot. !!!! Well, no head loll yet…hopefully she’ll pull through… :/
    2. Olivia possessing Peter like she was playing Wii.
    3. Walter and his lemon cake.
    4. Astrid (finally!!!) going all hard core and shooting that guy.

    Non-surprises: 1.The return of Belly.
    2. Nina loved Belly.
    3. Jones was the Bishop, not Peter.
    4. Looks like we haven’t seen the last of Jessica.
    5. Liv has babies on the brain.

    interesting but mostly predictable………..

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    • charliefan19 says

      oh yes. another non-surprise….belly being bad. i have thought he was bad for four years, and i prefer him that way.

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      • lost_stef says

        hahaha @ olivia possessing Peter like she was playing Wii omg too funny

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        • Maris says

          Yeah, was the only scene that make me come out of my freaking out moment. It really was funny!

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    • D says

      Microsoft would be so sad that everyone refers to Wii, when what she did is really more like Kinect.

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  12. FringeCharacter says

    A M A Z I N G.

    John Noble rocked.

    So good to see Mr. Nimoy. I was hoping for his return; and what a return it was!

    Looking forward to the rewatch and next week’s finale.

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  13. Amanda says

    Well, Astrid was there in the future, so maybe they use Cortexiphan or something to save her???? Wishful thinking?

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    • MISSNETT says

      Walter did say that cortexiphan had reginerative(sp) capabilities! Like the lemon cake!

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      • Scott42444 says

        Yeah, having that scene with the lemon cake regenerating almost seemed out of place, which means that it meant something. Most likely to Astrid, being that she could use a little regenerating right about now.

        Maybe they turn her into the most powerful being in all the universes as a side effect of saving her life.

        Now THAT would be a curve ball. Out of Belly, Walter, Peter, Olivia, and Astrid making Astrid the most important and powerful being of all time! Ha!

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    • Maris says

      I believe with all my heart that they not going to kill Astrid, they just wanna to make us freaking out!! ;)

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  14. lightning says

    I have been a Fringe fan from the beginning, and although I love the show I have to say they really need to stay consistent. William Bell bad? Bell prior to the reset, and after he was described as Walter’s best friend and very often acted as his conscience. Walter was the one who felt he went “too far to the dark side” and relied on Bell to pull him back (in both the original and reset). Hence the taking of part of Walter’s brain. We also have the problem that after the reset, the machine shouldn’t have been in existence nor would the cretexophan trials have been conducted. Those trials were done because Walter was trying to help Peter adjust to life in the 1st universe. If Peter died in the lake – no need for the trials. Now a complete personality change in Walters best friend and business partner. I hope the writers fill in some of the holes, cause as much as I love this show, this is way of track.

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    • RKron says

      Actually, it was stated in a previous episode that Walter sometimes played safe while Bell was the risk-taker, hence Bell saying “Don’t be afraid to cross the line.”

      The Cortexiphan trials happened prior to 1985, so I don’t see how Peter’s removal would stop that.

      As for the machine not existing if the timeline is created, how could it not exist if there is this reality? The timeline exists, so the machine must exist to show this decision. If the machine doesn’t exist, then nothing else we’ve seen so far does.

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      • 134sc says

        “The timeline exists, so the machine must exist to show this decision. If the machine doesn’t exist, then nothing else we’ve seen so far does.”

        Exactly

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    • Scott42444 says

      Yeah, but in regards to Bell being bad, I don’t think that it is so far fetched that’s developed a God complex. When Walter went “Over There” originally to save Peter, he was suggesting that William Bell secretly had been pushing him all along to go across to the other universe. Kind of like he didn’t want to be the one who could be blamed for the universes falling apart, but he wanted someone to cross over. He always acted as if he were “moral” but he was always the same power hungry (starting Massive Dynamic, being kept in the loop and useful “over there”), playing God type of scientist that Walter was afraid he was going to become.

      It actually makes sense that the Fringe writers can show us what would have happened to Walter had he not had part of his brain removed. He would say something along the lines of what William Bell said in the preview for next weeks episode. Something along the lines of, “If we can create a new universe we should” type of thing.

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      • Maris says

        Yeah, I agree, Bell always make me think that he is more bad than good, he in a way have more hungry for power than Walter always had. So it really makes sense for me what you are saying.

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  15. Rae says

    There are no words for this episode *hyperventilate* that was just….WOW!!!

    First off all, the spontaneous combustion aspect that came with nano-bites was a great mislead into thinking it was another somehow-cortexifan related event. It was cool to see it was in fact, an invention of Bells that created the hysteria.

    Speaking of Bell, OH MY GOD! I thought maybe we’d get a sign or semblance of Bell in this eppy, but NOT BELL HIMSELF! Nimoy, you made my heart thump so hard, it exploded in my chest. And to think, from season one, you could have been backing Jones this whole time. Just…ugh, wow! Honestly, I didn’t see that one coming. Because, from the earlier seasons, I pictured Bell as alot more compassionate and humble like Walter became, with the same kind of humanitarian intentions, it didn’t occur to me that he could be the scientist with the badass God complex. Way schway. Judging by the preview for next week, Bell believes himself to have the ability to be The Creator himself, and understanding his ego problem, his narcissistic monomaniacal views of himself, it’s just like Bell to want to play the role. Awesome twist that was!

    And how ‘aww’ were the POlivia scenes? And not nearly schmoozy or cheesy, IMO, these scenes were impeccably well done. The nursery scene? Yeah, I don’t even have to bring up how cute that is. My perception of that scene is that in the past, maybe they’ve talked about it, but here, Olivia was stating her desire to truly start a family with him, and that he smiled at her validation, awwws. I liked to, that after seeing Jessica’s struggle to not be there for her child, Olivia brought up the topic with her future baby’s daddy. Ever since last season, I wanted them to have a ‘can we really have a normal life?’ talk, and here, I finally got it. Another flail moment to, when Peter pretty much told her they’ll figure it out as they go, as long as they’re happy. It was just all so unicorns and lollipops and cuddle worthy. Refreshing it was, to get a couple of these scenes again this season. It reminded me almost, of last years last couple of eps. Though, I have to admit, the writing in these scenes didn’t seem as….uncharacteristic as some of the dialogue we’ve seen in the past. As much as I enjoyed how this relationship changed and evolved last year, it took me a while to make myself digest some of the scenes in the way they were intended. Here, it was headache-less, effortless. That was the most appreciatory note of them all.

    THE DUNHAMATOR IS BACK! I mean, WOW!! Everything she did in this episode, I just about feel outta my chair. Not only does she have the power to crossover or cause electrical storms, but apparently, she can get into people’s minds as well. Obviously, given Walter’s talk with her, we understand that she can manipulate atoms at her will, in any state or for any reason. So really, the expanse of her powers are, ultimately, endless. Very, very cool to hear/see that. That part where she *sucked* the heat out of Jessica and then fizzled out the lights, made me scream with Glee. I was like ‘yeah, Livvy, you go girl’. And then when she punched the bejeezus out of Jones inside Peter’s head…*wow, wtf did that really happen?* moment. I truly felt, in this episode, that our Liv is stating her presence again, and I loved it. I think other’s would agree with me in saying that any trace of an AmberLiv felt gone for good, and this was simply, Our Olivia, the one we fell in love with four seasons ago, and the one we’ll continue to love till the end of the series.

    I gotta admit, I called from the end of Bell’s instruction that The Bishop piece plot was a little to simple, a little too obvious, and at the end, when Jones realizes it’s he who’s the Bishop, if was nice to know I was right in thinking they wouldn’t hand us that aspect on such a blatantly clear plate. So, we can conjecture from this episode that Jones was just another tool in Bell’s desire for world domination. Here, this whole season, we were to think it was David who wanted to play the Big Man, but to hear it’s Bell, just…awesome.

    And Wallie!! I love you man, you were funny, and smart and just overall your fun loving self in this episode. I couldn’t get enough of your crazy antics here. And to hear that Astrid loves taking care of you…that was just as lappable as a POlivia moment.

    Astrid, you know, I don’t believe she’s dead, not really. They wouldn’t do that to us! I honestly think they’ll use advanced healing techniques, and make her come back to life again. This is Fringe, it can happen.

    The storage units in the import carrier was a cool callback to the storage units in the Pilot. As Astrid and Walter were running through them, it reminded me of Olivia in John in season one. Again, everything seems to round out in this show, small or big.

    Really, this is my favorite episode of the season so far. There was so much amazing-ness in it, that I felt almost, like I was watching a movie. And it’s not even done yet!

    Though, I fear where next week’s episode is taking the Olivia storyline, this is Fringe, and ANYTHING can be brought back from the dead *cough*Astrid*cough*. I will be waiting excitedly for the next seven days.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to have some lemon cake….;)

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    • Maris says

      You say it all!! It’s all that I wanna to say but I couldn’t get the words out of me! I agree with you!!!

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      • Scott42444 says

        Sorry, I said something similar about Bell right above you before I read what you said. So, thumbs up! I agree!

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    • M says

      In the original timeline, Jones was obsessed with earning Bell’s approval and went off on his own makeshift ZFT plan to impress him. In this timeline, he was working directly for Bell. That’s why this Jones was much more formidable.

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    • nora says

      I’m guilty. Seriously, Rae, I admit that I tend to hit the like button under your comment BEFORE I’ve actually read the entire post. My thoughts and my opinion about this show is sooo close to yours… (And judging from your average number of the likes & the comments, I’m not alone with this.) I really, really like your enthusiasm & that you have such a good way with words. If there were more people like you on the planet, Fringe wouldn’t be having just 5 seasons. Ever considered cloning yourself? :)

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      • Rae says

        I have, but unfortunately my family doesn’t think they’d be able to handle any more of me. ;) Or any more of my typos caused by the stupid auto-correct on my computer. lol.

        Really, thank you for your kind praise. It humbles me immensely.

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        • MISSNETT says

          Rae you do seem to be the voice of the fans here on fringebloggers. You always say what I want to say but I just don’t have the ability to do it! Thank you for expressing my thoughts for me! :)

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  16. T says

    LOVED the episode…gave it a 9.

    My one complaint was Olivia going all Mike Tison on a Nintendo Wii. I thought it was a little corney.

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  17. Bell says

    The “regeneration” properties of the cortexifan are the key. Olivia will “die” but as her cortexifan laced senses have been activated, she will be able to “regenerate” in some fashion. What if Bell has known all this time that the “war thats coming” is with the observers and we will need super soldiers (like Olivia and her off-spring) thoroughly activated to fight them? Maybe Bell, while seemingly bad, still is doing these things for what he feels are the “right” reasons? Wouldn;t that play very well into the whole theme of the show going all the way back to the beginning? Wouldn;t that be an awesome way to show that no matter what “reality” or “future” you create and/or exist in, the same motivations still come through? Was September’s warning to Olivia a metaphor for this? Just a few thoughts.

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    • KLA says

      Bell- you said it. I also think Bellie is looking forward and whatever he is doing is for the good of all. So while he appears bad, he likely is not. I noticed that the clothes they are wearing we’re the same ones when they came out of amber in the future a few weeks back. So, no way Astrid is dead and maybe it is Bellie who tells them to go into amber to flash forward. Perhaps Olivia will Cortexifan her way forward so the family will be reunited and that is how the story ends.

      Also the whole Xbox Kinnect thing was a bit corney. Also, was it me or was anyone suspicious of Rebecca Mader’s motives for volunteering to be the test case? It was almost like she ignighted Olivia’s powers, and Bellie was behind it.

      Last, farewell David Robert Jones. His demise was kind of like my other favorite baddie, Newton.

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        • lizw65 says

          My thought for some time has been that Jones (and now Bell) are trying to CREATE the Observers, not stop them, and they need a fully activated Olivia for breeding purposes.

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        • Scott42444 says

          Also, in the preview for next week they show Rebecca Mader saying something suspicious, so we were right to feel that she had ulterior motives. My only problem with DRJ dying is that he seemed so out of character actually placing the nanomites himself and going after Peter himself when he has been so careful in the past, either making a shapeshifter or someone he is blackmailing do the dirty work. It seemed too easy a death and too convenient a set-up now that Nimoy was available again.

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    • dte421 says

      It’s weird to be on a Fringe fan site were no one knows how to spell Cortexiphan.

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  18. DeepRunner says

    UN.BE.FREAKIN’.LIEVABLE. ONE OF THE ABSOLUTE BEST EPISODES EV-UH!!!

    * William Bell in the previous timeline was a dark-hatted hero of sorts. In this timeline (nice hair, Belly), he is a blackhearted, evil, twisted megalomaniac. Jones was his pawn all along. Wow. Pretty awesomely heartless when you view DRJ as junior league expendable, but that fits in with how Bad, Bad Nina described Bell’s view of DRJ. Gotta say, as evil as his character currently is, it was AWESOME to see Leonard Nimoy back. The opening credits “Special Appearance by Leonard Nimoy” gave me the “ah, yeah, now it’s really gonna be good” feeling.

    * OLIVIA PLAYING ROCK ‘EM, SOCK ‘EM ROBOTS using Peter as the attack mechanism against DRJ. FIVE-STAR ACTION, TWENTY-STAR ENTERTAINMENT. THE DUNHAMNATOR is BACK and BADDER and BETTER than ever.

    * Goodbye, DRJ (and Jared Harris). We hardly knew ye. One of the best villains ever is gone. Out in ashes like that space dust episode from Season 2.

    * Walter goes back to St. Claire’s. So that was what he was doing in the pilot. It was cool to have such a direct coda back to the opening episode of the series, including having him close the door on the room, symbolizing closing that chapter of his life, once and for all. Good scene his daughter.

    * Easy Bake with Walter. (Maybe he could be the Next Food Network Star. Lemon cake anyone?)

    * Walter keepin’ it real. Peace Out, Alex.

    * Astrid (Really? ALEX?). We know she is ambered-in prior to 2036, so that implies she survives the shooting. But still, when she was hit, the first thing I thought was, “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!” It was fitting that Walter was holding her. She kicked the post-digestive substance out of the one guy and flatblasted the other. Kickin’ tail with our Astrid.

    * Peter and Olivia. Their solitary screentime was minimal, but POWERFUL. Anna Torv and Joshua Jackson have always had great chemistry together. I think if either one was with a poorly-drawn character (hmmm…no, not someone who left this universe to see if he can score with TNBT), the chemistry would be good, they are that great at what they do. The kiss prior to the sunshine magnifier was one that shippers could enjoy.

    *Rebecca Mader. Excellent. It will be interesting to see how her character is shaped/what she does next week.

    * Lance Reddick played the moment of terror during the sunshine magnifier PERFECTLY. He was our eyes and our response.

    Next week: The Showdown. The Big Three vs. Big, Bad, Belly. Cannot wait.

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    • nora says

      AGREED. … So I was not the only one who thought the “Wii scene” was awesome? I don’t exactly know why, but that’s my favorite in this ep.

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    • willg says

      Yeah that, or their is no man x. The x on the nanobots…they will end up killing her somehow because she took them from Charlotte…erh uh I mean Rebecca Mader.

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  19. willg says

    Quick thought, Loved the episode. Just one nit pick. How often does crazy sh*t have to happen and they’re all like, “Geez I wonder who would create nanobots and cause people to spontaneously combust!” Other than that it was a definite 9 in my book. So pumped for next episode and Bring on season five.

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    • Rae says

      I was thinking that too! haha, and you know, Olivia’s always been like…”Well, who would this? or Why would that?…”, and of course, after Walter gives them an educated guess, Peter jumps in with the obvious theory to what his pops has just said.

      Funny thing is though, by now, it’s all old hat. Olivia is Ms. Question machine and Peter is Mr. Obvious in regards to their cases. I started to just laugh about it sometime ago. I’m always like…”Oh, you guys! I knew you’d say that!”

      Oh, those two are so predictably cute sometimes! lol…

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  20. Ian S. says

    Wow, great episode, and Leonard Nimoy back in the flesh that’s awesome! Loving the new haircut too ;) I knew he was behind this all along, as the season went on and without a word of William Bell, I began to suspect it. DRJ’s death seemed very insignificant, though, I wish it was stronger. There’s just too much to cover in 44 minutes!

    And WTF was that with Astrid!? I had a heart attack, then realized she’s alive in the future, and I was okay :) Not quite sure how this season will end though…it still feels like it hasn’t exactly culminated to something big enough yet, like it’s a bit less dramatic then last seasons finale with the machine and everything. The past few episodes (besides Letters of Transit), didn’t keep my heart racing like this one did though. I feel like the only satisfying conclusion to this entire season will be massive huge surprises in the next episode, it feels like they’ve saved a bunch of things for last, like how Lost did with their series finale.

    The producers said that by the end of season 4, everything in the show would be wrapped up neatly, save for one plot thread, but so far it feels like there are a bunch of threads hanging around everywhere… here’s hoping they stay true to their words :)

    9/10

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  21. Maris says

    Ok thinking about this new powers of Olivia, and the discovery of the healing lemon cake …
    I think some people has spoken but, Walter maybe will heal Astrid (oh please he will save her, Ii have hope on that), and maybe Olivia in the end, probably gona die, but in the end she’s gonna, in some why, heal.
    In Fringe anything is possible, and we don’t know how far Olivia’s power go …
    Oh sometimes is to much in my head for process all that informations they give to us in one hour of show …

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  22. M says

    I think Bell is prepping Olivia so she can be controlled with soul magnets (that’s right, soul magnets), possibly by David Robert Jones. He’ll use her powers to cross between universes as a way of completing his earthquake plan.

    Bell knowingly sent Jones to his death because he knew Liv would go apesh*t to protect Peter.

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    • lost_stef says

      yes so Mr X is now Bellie since he designed them. which also ties into episode 19 and the whole how can u forgive bellie for what he did to Olive!! and wouldnt Astrid be more pissed at him since she got shot in this episode becasue of him, so maybe its not the same timeline we see in the future.

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  23. says

    i really loved the call back to season 1 when exactly one half of jones’ face turned to ash. that dude can’t help but have half his head removed.

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  24. number six says

    That scene on the roof… I’m still laughing about it :D It’s difficult to pull off the whole superpowers thing. In this show they are 50/50, hit or miss, and it wasn’t different this time. They did a good job with the first scene. I think it works best, when Olivia has this martyr look on her face and focuses really, really hard. However, what she did on the roof… That was so cheesy!

    If they hadn’t showed the future 2 episodes ago, I’d be freaking out about Astrid. She’ll be fine. I love her in this episode, kicking butt and being awesome. This should have been her story from the very beginning of the season, because, as cool as it was seeing her in action, it was too little and too late. And her sudden awesomeness happened right before she was “killed”. How convenient!

    Any bets the nice redhead will turn out evil?

    Since when does DRJ do the dirty job himself? Doesn’t he have henchmen at his service? I find it amusing, that the moment William Bell appeared on screen to reveal he was the evil mastermind, DRJ became pathetic and was killed off so unceremoniously. So much for DRJ’s return!

    Cortexiphan is truly miraculous, it works for everything: it gives superpowers, it enhances perception and now helps regenerating damaged tissue. I wonder whose tissue will regenerate thanks to cortexiphan ;)

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    • JM says

      “I wonder whose tissue will regenerate thanks to cortexiphan ” after watching the promo for the next episode that would be by thinking aswell ;)

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        • number six says

          Nah, it’s better with the roof scene. This show works better if you think about it as a comedy and not a drama.

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    • Lincless says

      “Since when does DRJ do the dirty job himself? Doesn’t he have henchmen at his service? I find it amusing, that the moment William Bell appeared on screen to reveal he was the evil mastermind, DRJ became pathetic and was killed off so unceremoniously. So much for DRJ’s return!”
      Sure, who needs shapeshifters if you can die yourself?:)

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      • charliefan19 says

        Thank you. I was DYING with laughter during the Wii scene. It was terribly cheesy though apparently the only thing Liv could do. lol.

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      • Scott42444 says

        I have been screaming about that as well. It’s like, as soon as Leonard Nimoy signed his contract, they just removed “Henchman A” from the script and replaced it with Jones. I mean, even the scene where he is caught on camera working on the escalator was dumb, since he never does such mundane work!

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  25. M says

    So was Bell evil in the original timeline, too? If not, what changed him?
    I think being stranded in the alternate universe caused him to ally himself with Walternate in exchange for his own well being. I also think he was helping them more than we previously suspected, such as getting vital information like Newton’s location and the location of Walter’s brain pieces to the shapeshifters and compromising the team when they showed up at Alt-Central Park. “Belly betrayed us!”

    Back to this timeline: If Bell has been scheming all this time, WHO designed Walternate’s shapeshifters? It couldn’t have been Bell if he faked his death seven years earlier.

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    • KLA says

      If I had a dollar for every time I thought someone was bad, and they were really good, I woukd have been able to contribute to the show to cut down on the shameless Sprint product placements. Anyway, thinking back to Bellie in Season 1, I have to think there is a master plan where he is good. He was on Olivia’s side from when she was a little girl, and I think he may be trying to protect her. Then again, he did get stuck in the amber a few eps back, so maybe that was his punishment by Walter foe scheming.

      Remember gang– trrust the writers for what little time we have left. Hopefully they will not blow it like the end of Lost!!!!!

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      • SissySiri says

        I agree. For me the Lost ending was absurd; it ruined the whole series and I watched every episode, like I have with Fringe. I hope there is no repeat of the Lost blunder.

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      • DeepRunner says

        Yeah the ambering, plus Walter on the train with Alex/Aspirin/Astro/Astrid talking about what Bell did to Olivia…I am not ready to give God-Complex Guy a halo just yet. He had no problem offing his “young apprentice” (DRJ) like Sidious did Dooku.

        In the previous timeline, Bell was one of the good guys who had a dark side. In this timeline, all bets are off, except for Olivia. Case in point: Even though Walter calls Peter his son (he did it again during this episode), he still doesn’t really think it and feel it like he did in the previous timeline.

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    • lizw65 says

      The shapeshifters have been around a LOT longer than seven years. Remember, the hippie chick from Season 2 was seeing them back in the late Seventies under the influence of LSD.

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      • Surun Tunne says

        that wouldn’t make any sense, why would walternate want the psapeshifters in the 70s, when the “zero event” happened in 85?

        I think that woman could somehow see future events

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    • Surun Tunne says

      why not? do we know exactly when bell designed the shapeshifters in the original timeline?

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  26. M says

    I read something on another forum that suggested visiting the alternate universe in the original timeline caused Bell to see the consequences of Walter’s God complex and change himself. This Bell did not learn from Walter’s mistakes. Seemed like a great theory.

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    • M says

      He might have backed out of the plan in the original timeline. Jones would have gotten pissed and tried it himself, which is most likely what happened and why he was so easily dispatched by Peter.

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  27. lost_stef says

    Wow i love the episode! but seriously where is the preview for next week???

    olivia girl you rocked my world hardcore!!! going all ninja through petah!! i loved it even if it was cheesey lol

    couldnt stop laughing at Walter in the mental hospital when he was sniffing the book! the look on olivia peter face was priceless and the noises he was making so harilous.

    man i cant believe Astrid! im still getting over it and i wont if something happens to her.

    Cant believe they got Leonard Nimroy back!! ratings will be through the roof now!!

    i loved it and i love all Fringie fans out there!! another week to go!!!

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    • lost_stef says

      and also this episode ended way to quickly!! time for the rewatch!! OMG OMG i cant get over how much i love this show its brilliant! thank god for season 5

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  28. says

    Only one comment, regarding William Bell, remember: there is more than one of everything.

    Going to rewatch it right away again, i love this episode!!

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  29. mandrean says

    Loved this episode, but the roof scene, really? So terrible and corny. Couldn’t she have knocked over the antenna or made DRJ burst into flames? Anything but that terrible fight scene.

    Everything else was stellar and top notch. Please save Alex!

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    • Rae says

      But if she did that, then Jones wouldn’t have had his last words of ….”I was the bishop…”. I assumed they had to find a less…quick way for him to die so he could take a long sweet breath of this air one last time. lol….

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      • Ian S. says

        I think it’s much easier for Olivia to channel her abilities through someone she loves and has a connection with, like Peter, he was the one who allowed her to be activated in the first place, right? I just believe there are still limitations to her abilities, she can’t just do anything anytime she wants too :)

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        • says

          I agree, Ian. I wonder if she still needs Peter to use her abilities, or is it just a matter of activated them. I can’t remember one time when she was able to activate the abilities minus Peter; maybe when she was a kid.

          In addition the rooftop fight being hiliarious, I think it makes Peter look a little weak (dare I say . . . ). It seems ever since Olivia got her memory back and Walter accepting Peter, the Peter character has become the ‘background’ guy again–just used to say the obvious or repeat what has been said; as well as not being able to display his smarts. Just sayin.

          Nonetheless, I LOVED the episode and cannot wait until next week.

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  30. Rae says

    Interesting to, that when Olivia walks Jessica to the cab, it’s in front of a church with a banner that reads ‘Light of Christ, Alpha and Omega’. In the end of the episode, on the side of the Import hanger where Bell is, there’s a sign that reads ‘Eden’.

    Eden was Creation’s first garden, so it suits Bell’s Noah’s Ark warehouse. Scripturally speaking, of course, Eden fell when Man did, and it was Christ who saved man from his sins. It would be an interesting hint if the banner in the shot of Olivia and her red-headed counterpart points to the fact that Olivia is the ‘savior’ of man from Bells treacherous plan.

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        • matt says

          remember the guy driving the ark was the good guy in the Bible story, maybe there’s more to it (maybe the observer state future is the flood?)

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      I saw that one too, I just can’t decide if it’s a clue for BNW2 (that and an X on the nanites).

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  31. number six says

    Walter was funny and all and Astrid was really amazing, but the best character was the woman at the beginning: “Don’t move!” Smart cookie that one, she saved a bunch of lives.

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  32. dte421 says

    Absolutely loved this episode. If you were paying attention this season, it was always clear that Bell would be back, and was pulling the strings. The question was, and still remains, which Bell is it? I don’t understand why we’ve completely thrown out the possibility that it was the other universe’s Bell that was pulling these strings.

    Very nervous about what happens with Olivia next week. Ever since Walter said in “Letters of Tranist”, “after what he did to Olivia,” I’ve been panicking about where this season would head. Seeing the preview with Bell ringing his bell and “calling the shots” with Olivia makes me wonder exactly what he has planned for her, and what it means for the others, especially Peter. However, if we are to believe the 2036 timeline, Olivia needs to survive at least long enough to give birth to Etta. Basically, we’re not supposed to have any clue, which is awesome!!!!

    Rebecca Mader was obviously a plant, which, unfortunately due to casting spoilers, we all knew anyway. Her character’s actions also tied in to the whole theory of Bell “playing” Olivia. She was so cool and collected for the entire time, volunteering to be tested, then as soon as she got Olivia alone, she started hyperventilating and heating up, and it seemed pretty clear to me that she was merely doing that to force Olivia’s hand. Once she did, the powers manifested, and we’ll be seeing where that was intended to go in 7 days.

    A fantastic episode, but I can’t help but feel that it moved so quickly after a season which moved at a glacial pace. I wish we had developed this Bell using tricks to unleash Olivia’s power story more than a mere mention when DRJ and Nina discuss her being almost ready. Lots of story packed into 45 minutes that I feel could have been better dispersed over the entire season, though I guess they wanted to keep the Bell “surprise” as shocking as possible.

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    • matt says

      oh man I didnt think about the episode or season quite like that. IT MAKES EVEN MORE SENSE NOW! I thought Rebecca Mader’s character’s actions seemed oddly contrived!

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    • Ian S. says

      It’s the Bell from our universe, because of how he greeted Walter at the end of the episode, something like “I never thought I’d see you again, old friend.”

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      • dte421 says

        Yeah I mean I get that… but I also think it’s possible that the other William Bell could have said something along those lines – if he had replaced THIS universe’s Bell at some point before his visit to Walter at St. Claire’s. Perhaps this Bell really DID die in the car crash eight years ago… and the other Bell saw his opportunity to cross over and fill the void.

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      • says

        Nina stated that Bell purposely died in a car accident in 2005 to end his suffering from lymphoma.

        Do you think that “brilliant bastard Belly” staged the accident. I mean, does a man with a craving for Chilean Almonds seem like the type to end their life.
        For all we know, Bell could have been self-medicating himself with cortexiphan to treat his lymphoma, just watchfully waiting, like a game of chess.

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  33. Fran says

    You guys have already pointed everything about the episode, so let me flail about the peacoat that is finally back, Peter’s stubble and Olivia’s powers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  34. Greg says

    Best way to kill a Bishop, use a crowbar, LoL. Awesome work Fringe writers, loving the Sprint Placements too.

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  35. matt says

    WHAT A MENSCH!

    HOW DID WE NOT KNOW!?!?!!? his brilliant, and properly evil, performance in the 1998 TV movie version of Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World (of which William Bell is quite reminiscent both in portrayal and the character itself – in terms of the world controller’s ideology)! and his new worlds of Leonard Nimoy album! WE SHOULDA KNOWN! Never disappoints the sci-fi public! WHAT A COOL GUY!

    Something, some long forgotten thought was bugging me the whole time until know since I had heard the title was being changed to Brave New World. When I confirmed it was Nimoy I knew what it was!

    & I totally missed the opening credits. Most epic surprise! it seemed so surreal I literally didnt even think it was him, i thought someone else was makeupped to look like him as Bell with Nimoys voice dubbed in until I saw the very last scene!

    HOW DIDNT WE KNOW OMG! I mentioned it way back in the day when we first saw Bell at the end of season one and in “momentum Deferred” that his role as the world Controller in Brave New World (1998) was one of the last Nimoy roles I saw before seeing him in FRINGE as Bell and that as Bell he looked/acted like (and that the character really sort of embodied) the world controller character from the Brave New World book and TV film! Thanks to that film and some brilliant writing I had that subconscious feeling about Bell the whole time! WHAT A BRILLIANT SHOW! HOW DIDNT WE KNOW! AAAHHHH!

    [however I get the feeling that either Bell is a very severe person and doing something not exactly nice, but overall moral and necessary (maybe it's the only way to stop an observer future now that they corrected Sept's mistake and the timeline is correct aka developed without peter i dunno)
    or
    as Observer1 reminded us "there's more than one of everything"]

    didnt like the Peter puppet or Jones’ death (I mean Jared came back for S4, give him a decent death right?)

    AND ASTRID! JOHN NOBLE WAS RIGHT! HOW CAN YOU DO THAT TO PEOPLE! but

    OH MY LANTA I LOVE THIS FLIPPIN SHOW SO MUCH! Not everything yet, BUT SO MUCH MORE ABOUT WHY THEY DID WHAT THEY DID SINCE SEASON ONE ENDED MAKES SENSE TO ME NOW THAN IT DID BEFORE! I THINK I’M COMING TO LOVE THIS SHOW AGAIN AS I ONCE DID! THANK YOU MINDS RESPONSIBLE FOR FRINGE! I BOW TO YOUR VENERABLE INTELLECTS AND IMAGINATIONS!

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  36. Dylan says

    That was crap.

    I’m sorry, but that how I feel about this.

    I was angry that they took everything great about this Jones storyline and then removed all tension with the events of ‘Letters of Transit’ (who cares about Jones’ plan anymore when you’ve got this to look forward to?) before making Jones just another pawn and killing him off.

    I was angry that the “science” this episode was so ridiculous, even for Fringe standards. A regenerating lemon cake!? Are they serious!? And now apparently cortexiphan can do whatever it wants and be used on anything, whenever, however.

    Astrid…I mean, it’s insulting enough that you give her hardly anything to do and then you get her shot (and maybe killed off)?

    Bell…alive again…and sporting the most laughable look.

    A few weeks ago I was just going to go for the ride on this Jones storyline. It had exciting things about it; evil Nina, evil Broyles, awesome-as-can-be Jones, a promise by September that it was all the same plan that Jones had in season 1…

    and now nothing. Nina is captured by Lincoln (how insulting was it that we was captured by that idiot) in a tacked-on-the-end-of-the-episode scene, Broyles was really just good all along and was imprisoned shortly afterwards (he was worthless in the big scheme and so really couldn’t contribute anything important), Jones was just a pawn and is now dead, no revelation to be had as now it isn’t even Jones who is running the show.

    There is nothing exciting about this storyline for me anymore.

    I honestly hated the developments. I honestly hate this season with an absolute passion. I wish I had never even begun season 4.

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    • JM says

      I admit my breath was taken away when I read a recent interview with Wyman and Pinkner when they said “This is a season we are VERY happy with and proud of” This has been without doubt the worst season of fringe. However I very high hopes for season 5.

      Personally, I really enjoyed the episode for the most part, although it has to be said that fringes “scientific leaps” have gone from fantastic to absolutely ludicrous.

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      • JM says

        I have to say I have been keeping up with Wyman’s twitter to find out the renewal news and having read the comments fans tell him, I can understand why they think everything is so well recieved by the fans and how “we have accepted the amberverse” and really care about the characters, Wyman gets his a$$ kissed a ridiculous amount on twitter, someone needs to tell them that some of the stuff they have done is plain awful.

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      • Dylan says

        There were parts of the episode I enjoyed as well, but the development really just took away the only things that were keeping me going with this season.

        Worst season? Absolutely.

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      • Lincless says

        As you mentioned: Wyman and Pinkner live in twitter-heaven. I all of their interwiews it’s just “great”, “awesome”, “mind-blowing”…
        I wonder what creators Abrams, Kurtzman and Orci think of the show right now. I can’t believe they imagined it to be like this.

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    • SissySiri says

      Bell with his hair all fluffy and combed forward, not Bell’s usual look, and he does not look the same as the Bell in-cased in amber. The plot lines on these last episodes are a bit like Swiss cheese.

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    • Lincless says

      Well, I have to agree.
      I am very disappointed with what they did with AltNina and AltBroyles. So pointless.
      And what do you think about Olivia’s new super-abilities? I thought it was just ridiculous. Just because they put Peter in danger, Olivia suddenly needed powers she never had before. Accompanied by a terribly pseudo-dramatic music.

      Perhaps I’m just not the right viewer for Fringe anymore.

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      • Dylan says

        Olivia is the only cortexiphan student who can do anything and on her own, and generates a new ability every time it is needed.

        It’s like reading a bad fan-fiction.

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        • JM says

          @Dylan
          Im of the opinion that Olivia was given that power because Microsoft now have product placement on fringe!

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      • SissySiri says

        (Sorry if already said.) I think that Rebecca somehow boosted Olivia’s already special powers when Olivia was holding her hand while trying to bring her temperature down. Why would they do a long camera shot of the hand holding if it were not relevant? Rebecca could be a protege of Bell’s, with this new powerful ability. Somewhere I read that this new character has more in common with Olivia than we know. The final battle of Season 4 could come down to these two.

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          • says

            There’s one really simple explanation that would explain all the new developments from Olivia during this episode. I could be completely and totally off, but I think that it’s because she’s pregnant. She now has twice the amount of Cortexiphan in her blood stream and the pregnancy could be messing with her abilities, heightening them since the bond between her and Peter is now much stronger. I doubt it that they would introduce all these new powers and say that they emerged for no reason whatsoever.

            Just a theory…

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          • SissySiri says

            Didn’t all this new found power that Olivia was questioning happen after the hand holding temperature drop scene? Maybe I am wrong I will have to re-watch.

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    • megan says

      While I don’t hate this season with a passion…it’s my least favorite:( I found that Olivia suddenly being able to do all that she did in this episode very convienet. I mean where did it come from all of a sudden? Maybe it will get explained but I won’t hold my breath. Olivia helping Peter on the roof…I actually rolled my eyes!! Overall I’m not a fan of the Amberverse…no matter what anyone says, these characters (except Peter) are not the same as the S1-3 characters, at least not for me.

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      • matt says

        maybe worst season overall but it contains the best episodes since season 1 ended inmy opinion with the exception of a couple of key eps from season 2

        but anwyay, i agree that the scientific basis has been pretty much thrown out the window which is unfortunate. personally i was already pissed about it, especially the way they handled a lot about the alt verse, because everything in season 1 was believable if you have an imagination but everything since has been as you put it ludicrous and personally that a let down because the opposite in season 1, like the walking through bank walls etc, were why I liked the show in the first place. a shame that it got kinda sloppy, and probably due to much less interesting stuff that they had to worry about story-wise… I wish they could have/all shows could know how long theyll be on so writers can skip the meandering rubbish and just focus on the good stuff. imagine how much better this shw would have been without some of season 2 most of season 3 and some of season 4 and we only got the good stuff in between, ended up at some of the kickass stiff happening now, or even further into the story by now, and with properly great stuff in between because they didnt have to waste time then cram stuff in later and waste potential?

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        • Dylan says

          If I could cut the series up into stronger segments, I would keep every main-story episode of season 1 and the first half of season 2, keep the second half of season 2 and the first half of season 3, completely re-do the second half of season 3 (where things just fell apart completely), and eliminate season 4 altogether.

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          • JM says

            If I redid it I would have all seasons 13 episodes in length as the writers have proven themselves incapable of doing well over a 22 episode stretch, I just cant believe their showrunning ability. They give us loads of filler and when it comes down to the real plot they have to cram it all in at the last minute. They dont even think for a minute that they could use some of that “filler time” to develop characters like astrid, broyles and nina and well Peter (cause lets face it he could use some) and Olivia cause shes sh*t nowadays.

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          • Lincless says

            This reminds me of Fringe’s greatness from Jacksonville to Entrada. Good old times.

            I think I would keep Season 1 the way it is. There are many stand-alone, but it’s acceptable in a first Season. It’s meant as a introduction.
            With Season 2 I think the first 8 episodes were alright, but I would have put “Grey Matters” at Epispode 9 and replaced “Snakehead” and “What Lies Below” with something Newton-related.
            Them from 3.11 it would have to be a different story (no baby Henry, no Bellivia etc.) and Season 4? Erase Season 4.

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    • J.P. says

      THANK YOU DYLAN

      I was about to write a very similar response of my own, but as you nailed it, I’ll hold off. I agree with everything you said. It’s so disappointing, it really is. This season had so much potential, and the storyline seemed rich enough to be fleshed out and dramatized like the seasons past, but instead they’ve “resolved” everything within a few seconds of random episodes scattered throughout the season. What disappoints me me most of all is that they brought back Jones, a great character, only for five episodes before killing him off again. And they killed him off in such a way that made him look like a pathetic fool, totally ruining the character’s mystique and intimidation.

      I really, really, really hope the final part will finish this sad excuse of a “season” off strong, and that season five redeems this show for me, but I’m not too sure, not too sure at all.

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      • LastManInSpace says

        Jarred Harris (DRJ) was always on borrowed time. He has a main gig (Mad Men) that carries contractual obligations and was in a huge movie over Christmas (Sherlock Holmes 2) Being sloppily written off does suck (RockemSockemLiv pissed me off) but a character exit is not always under the showrunners control.

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        • Dylan says

          They should have filmed his scenes in advance then, considering that they supposedly have everything in the show mapped out, rather than kill him off and continue Fringe’s bad habit of rushing everything in the final few episodes.

          They did the same thing with Jones when they had him in the first season. The writers seem to know how to establish villains, but I don’t think they know how to deal with them afterwards.

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  37. Surun Tunne says

    AMAZING episode! leonard nimoy is back!!!!

    I’m just curious to see how they will wrap up this season satisfyingly with only 43 minutes left.

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  38. Gary says

    Some people never on here regardless how great an episode. Broken record broken record broken record lol

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      • fedorafadares says

        The missing word were a question: “Why on earth are you still watching this show if it makes you unhappy?”

        Life’s too short.

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        • SissySiri says

          fedorafadares – We watch it because we have been fans from the get go, and now we are critiquing these last episodes as we perceive them. After all this time I am not going to give up on it that easily by not watching. I am happy for all who thought it was a great episode, I did not and I am entitled to my opinion. I think that when these last episodes were filmed they thought there would be no Season 5 so they hurried story-lines along. As far as I am concerned this is still the best show on TV and I am looking forward to Season 5.

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  39. Real1 says

    I would love to say …. IMPOSSIBLE … but it’s FRINGE .. every thing is POSSIBLE …
    Welcome back William Bell !!

    9.7/10

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  40. ML says

    writers’ thoughts’: damn, why did we kill William Bell? He would have made an excellent super-villain…. hey, it’s fringe, we just create a different timeline, where he is still alive! ^^

    But I loved the episode! First I thought the fighting scene was a bit cheesy, but the second time I watched it, I liked it! Very “Real Steel” by the way ;)

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  41. Astralcar says

    Great episode… the spirit of Fringe is back, finally! So many elements in this episode worked to create the Fringe-y feeling… you never know what might happen or on what side the characters will be…

    To me, the moment that definitely showed how the writing was back to its former quality was this: “Interrupt the signal and you shut off the sun! Well you know what I mean… *DING* Ah! Get a knife, my lemon cake is ready”. It so simple, yet so hard to achieve: focus, confidence, character, sense of danger.

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    • Astralcar says

      Well, apart from the fact that now Cortexiphan make Olivia like all X-men combined, but only when the plot requires it.

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      • says

        It explains the cortexiphan dosing that Olivia received courtesy of Nina. Olivia now has regenerative powers, just like the pig brain/lemon cake Walter was making.

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  42. Freggle666 says

    There was something funny in this episode:
    ‘Dr. Benlo’ ->Samantha Noble. She is John Noble’s daughter… :-)

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    • Jacksonheights says

      Thank you for explaining that the st Clare’s doctor was johnn nobles daughter. Earlier someone mentioned a daughter and I had no idea what they were talking about

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    • Surun Tunne says

      that’s why it was very funny when walter said to her: you’re much prettier than your predecessor!^^

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  43. Jacksonheights says

    Absolutely loved this episode. In response to DRJ I never thought they developed his character this season. He was so badass in season 1 snapping his lawyers neck in order to get a suit to transport himself in. The threat never really materialized in season 4. Newton was a much better villain with motives behind his treachery. That being said will someone give me a theory as to why Bell would sacrifice Jones. He was a loyal participant in the plan and it seems that Olivia could be activated with any credible threat yo Petah.
    “so much has happened here and so much is about to happen”

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    • says

      Bell did say that in the game of chess one must have patience and know when a piece is most valuable, and being ready to sacrifice it.

      DRJ was just an expendable pawn in William Bell’s chess game.

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  44. Ben says

    I have very mixed thoughts about this episode, unfortunately.

    While I enjoyed the return of Bell and always felt he would work better as a villain, I am so disappointed that they have ONCE AGAIN let down the David Robert Jones character, who had the potential to be one of the finest television villains ever. In the previous timeline he was intriguing, mysterious, and interesting, particularly through the possibility that he was, in a roundabout way, on the same side as the Fringe team. Until it turned out he simply wanted revenge on William Bell for doubting his talents, which felt weak and tacked-on as a motivation. This time round, one of the most insidious and calculating villains is reduced to essentially a hit man, and a poor one at that. Why didn’t he simply shoot Peter rather than taking a crowbar to him? His final words as he disintegrated were cool, and it was kind of profound that he ended up being used as a ‘Bishop’ just as Alt-Nina and Broylenate were his ‘pawns’, but it was so disappointing that he was defeated so easily, and in such a clumsy way.

    On the positive side, Astrid with a gun! I’m sure she’ll be fine after being shot, given her participation in the 2036 future. It was great to see Nimoy back again, his acting this time round was so much more convincing as a villain.

    I think the next episode will see Bell defeated, and the Observers established as the show’s main enemy. The promo for next week does look excellent, and I’m sure the show will make up for the disappointing elements of this week’s instalment.

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    • lightning says

      I agree with your view of DrJ – very disappointing. He was an evil genius in his own right with his own God complex. My only hope is that they explain the DrJ and Bell hookup later. I assumed (maybe wrongly) that DrJ was told to take out Peter and felt that a long distance shot may not be effective (ie too much risk he could survive) and too much chance Oliva would intervene before he could get another shot off. Hence the security goons who stopped her on the roof. The one thing that I think many of you have not considered is that the Observers will be written as “caring” facists. Basically, they intervene to stop Bell because they don’t believe the Fringe team can and/or the Fringe teams actions would distort their future. Hence they become our “saviors” that end up doing more harm than good. What do you all think?

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      • Ben says

        That could explain it, it just seems too crude though, surely using a knife would make more sense than a crowbar? It would indeed be very interesting if the Observers intervened to stop Bell, though I thought it was established that they came back in time because they had ruined the planet far in the future? Time will tell, I guess!

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  45. Dylan says

    Anyone a bit baffled by Jones’ actions in this episode? He stages this enormously complicated (ridiculous) scene in which he reflects sunlight and blows up a building, just to lure Peter to his location and…beat him with a crowbar.

    Genius.

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    • Ben says

      Completely agree with this. I feel sorry for Jared Harris, who absolutely nailed the character and made him one of the most compelling villains to watch. It’s
      criminal that he’s been written out like this.

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    • Fran says

      I have to agree with you. You don’t bring back an awesome character just to kill him in a pointless way. Two times.

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  46. willg says

    I have a question. That puppet controlling power that Liv displayed-was that a power we have seen before in another Cortexiphan kid? If so it seems she is the culmination of the powers of the other kids all rolled into one. That would be awesome.

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    • lizw65 says

      I don’t recall that one, but the healing/reversing illness thing was demonstrated by Melanoma Guy (forget his name, sorry) in Season 2, in Olivia in the Lab With the Revolver.

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  47. Cortexiphan Kid says

    Awsome!
    I just watched first 6 minutes, and it looks interesting.
    Spontanium human combustion- we were waiting for this for years.

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  48. Cortexiphan Kid says

    I’m human! What are you?
    Is there some alien invasion coming?

    lol, Walter, you always make me laugh!

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  49. Cortexiphan Kid says

    ”Can you get my phone please?”
    Realy? Jessica, you are about to combust and you think about your phone?
    Oh yes, we are so nomophobic!

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  50. lightning says

    Question: I had the sense that time had passed since the bridge to the other verse was closed. Did anyone else get that sense and if so how much time do you think elapsed?

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    • Ian S. says

      I thought that too, but really not that long I think. Maybe a day or two. They wouldn’t have just sat there for a week without doing anything about Jones.

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  51. Cortexiphan Kid says

    To evacute the whole Boston? That’s like evacute the whole Slovenia, with a part of Austria, Italy and Croatia!

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  52. BenLinus says

    I for one LOVED this episode. The reveal of Bell actually appearing was a true surprise, and I mean that in a good way. Plus, what makes it all the more interesting is that this reveal is likely going to have me rethinking the entire mythology of the series. The only real disappointment was DRJ’s death; it seemed a bit anticlimactic. Even that didn’t detract from the rest of the episode, though.

    And I have to say, I’m a bit surprised about the reception of this season. I think it’s been just great. I will admit, it started off a bit slow, but since it returned this year, I think it’s been almost consistently fantastic. The mythology has expanded to scales we’ve never seen before, and the character development seems natural for the course of the show. And like the Bell reveal, one of my favorite aspects of the season is how the big mythology reveals have made me rethink the entire show. So I, for one, have just loved this past season.

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    • Ian S. says

      I’ve loved it as well, the season as a whole is just incredible (maybe less Lincoln though..), buuut, it would only be incredible I think if we all looked at it as if there hadn’t been 3 seasons before. Season 4 has just felt completely different, forgetting 3 years of character development, with a new history now, it’s almost as if it’s a different story. I sometimes find it difficult to watch episodes in season 1-3 now because a lot of them have absolutely nothing to do with what’s going on now, and not just plot-wise but character wise since a lot of the stories never happened.

      I just feel they could have done Season 4′s plot with the whole DRJ and William Bell thing through other storylines, maybe only having the new timeline for a 4 episode arc to show the affect Peter had on everyone’s lives, but not reverting back to the original timeline was the biggest mistake the show made, and one that could be a make or break for how the series ends. It just makes me so sad how fantastic season 3 was compared to past seasons, and then if you look at season 4 it’s just so different…and not in a good way. If this was the pilot season for the series or maybe even a season 2, it would fit perfectly, but as a season 4, with new characters, new histories, and missed opportunities (the stupid Wallflower and Forced Perspective episodes stole 88 minutes of story that this season could have used to show Peter talking to Walter about the machine and them building their little device, the characters going over the differences between the two timelines, more on Jones instead of seeing him once every 4 episodes, etc…) it just felt like season 4 was just a missed opportunity.

      On its own, I feel it’s fantastic, but once we remember there were 3 seasons before this, it suddenly pales in comparison and it really is their worst season I think. On its own, so far I give it a 9/10, but with 3 seasons before, I drop that to a 7.5/10.

      Just my opinion at least.

      But Letters of Transit really kicked some a$$, forget the rest of the season that episode was one hell of a ride.

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      • BenLinus says

        That’s reasonable. I can’t say I agree, but I definitely understand where you’re coming from. And Letters of Transit was excellent. I’ll admit: I do prefer this season over season 1 and the first half of season 2, but to be fair, season 3 still is my favorite. :)

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      ”Puppet master (sometimes referred to as puppetting) is the ability to take control of other people’s bodies and motor functions against their will, as well as the functions of objects.”

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  53. Lincless says

    I just hope for Fringe-Division that Jones didn’t cross over (with his device) from one universe to the other after the bridge had been closed.
    Because that would mean everything (universe destruction) would start all over again. But I think our writers can’t ever remember which was one the story’s root (Walter crossing over).

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  54. S Cha says

    Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. One who can wield power to manipulate atoms could manipulate all and control all, … could forge a brave new world.

    This episode seemed to mirror the path of Gollum (or Bilbo or …), after he started to wield power with the Ring…

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      Olivia the Gollum?
      But the idea of Villain Olivia (Olivia Sylarnator!) sounds very interesting.

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  55. lovelace says

    I utterly hate the gender bias on this show. Olivia can use peter as a puppet and make peter look weak but its wrong for Olivia to go back to who she was because of peter. Btw, Olivia is just as much a Mary sue than peter ever will be.

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      • Lovelace says

        Cause it’s wrong that Olivia would choose a ‘man’ over her life but she is ‘badass’ for using Peter as a puppet without his consent, i mean unless Olivia still hasn’t gotten all her memories back and forgot the time where Peter was kidnapped through mind control by Tyler, Olivia could have at least weakened DRJ so Peter had the upper head.

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        • says

          I think Olivia was putting Peter first and making his need more important than her own. She was being selfless in her actions, and who could blame her.

          I am just wondering if Olivia is going to take it one step further, and become sacrificial in her actions, by taking a bullet for someone.

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  56. DeepRunner says

    This episode appears to feature another (borrowed?) element or three from Alias (not sure if intentional, but there have been several parallels between the two, so…)

    In Fringe, William Bell faked his own death in a car crash. In Alias Irina Derevko (Jack Bristow’s wife and Sydney Bristow’s mom) faked HER death in a car crash. Also, Irina Derevko and Arvin Sloane both wanted something called The Horizon, which grants the owner immortality (to be almost like God). William Bell wants to be God. Final parallel of this observation: In Alias, Irina Derevko was revealed to be behind all the badness going on. In Fringe, William Bell is the mastermind, with DRJ alternating between the roles of Arvin Sloane and Julian Sark.

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    • Briar says

      So is this the red universe Bell? Because he was the one who was supposed to die in a car crash.

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  57. says

    i think that olivia’s new found power was foreshadowed by the awesome quote from bell to jones:

    “the art of chess, the art, is knowing when a piece is most valuable and then, in that very moment, being willing to sacrifice it. for in the vaccuum created by the loss of what is most precious, opportunity abounds, influence is maximized, and desire becomes destiny.”

    and when he moved to sacrifice his bishop, olivia’s influence was maximized, and she made her desire (to save peter) his destiny.

    the opportunity, i believe, was shown in that bell was able to further “activate” olivia, for whatever end it is that he’s been goading her into using these powers for the whole time.

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  58. Briar says

    I’ve stuck with the show until now because I love it, and I was just hoping they would find a way to get it back on the rails. But after 4.19, I don’t think they will pull it off. I really disliked that episode – it was clunky and stereotyped (not *another* future dystopia modelled on 1984 with the Observers morphed into gestapo! Talk about being ambered! I felt as if I was ambered in a universe imagined by George Orwell and the writers of’Allo ‘Allo!) and tried to get us to believe that things established in the show’s core mythology were totally different from the way they had been portrayed. If the rest of the show is going to fixated on that imagined future, and even set in it, I don’t think I can stand it, especially since Olivia will necessarily be missing in action, probably dead, while Peter will be locked into being all fatherly with Etta (now the same age almost as the wife he has lost: creepy) and Walter will be a repellently conscienceless genius without the humanity we have grown to love in him. It will be a totally different show from the one I have loved, and not one I would have watched, in all likelihood. No intriguing and haunting ambivalence and mystery, just shoot-up-the-alien/nazis/terminators/what have you derring do. Boring.

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    • willg says

      Why don’t you wait till we actually see if that is the future we get. Otherwise, do what you gotta do.

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    • Weredog says

      And what is exactly wrong with Peter being fatherly with Etta? Is he suppose to treat her like a stranger?

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  59. Cortexiphan Kid says

    I don’t think I completly understand Bell’s chess strategy, but I do understand, why he got rid of Jones.

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  60. Cortexiphan Kid says

    It’s nice to see Olivia gaining two new abilities, without the whole episode of her whining how she can’t do this.

    BTW, Olivia has officialy reached the point, when (captured by the Heroes Company) she would go right to Level 5.

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      • Cortexiphan Kid says

        Just rewatch Ability, The Last Sam Weiss, Jacksonville or Over There, Part 1.
        I know, that whining is not the best expression, but she has so little confidence! She is just saying “I can’t do this”.
        btw, she is also convinced, that other Olivia is better than her, and that she is not capable. What a luck other people (including me) don’t agree with her.

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        • Chris says

          I agree with everything you just said. In all those episodes it is always Peter who is confident in her abilities, much more so than she is herself. Even in The Last Sam Weiss Walter and then Peter are confident she can turn off the force field and use the quantum entangled typewriter before she is able to do it. It was nice to see her actually do all her neat little Jedi mind tricks without going on about how she can’t do it first.

          Hey maybe that is why she needs Peter. :)

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  61. Cortexiphan Kid says

    Hey, do you guys think it’s plausible Jessica is a Cortexiphan kid? I know, there isn’t anyone with that name on the hight chart from Jacksonville, but she could be from Wooster. Or maybe (if she is working for mr. Spock) she just lying about her name.
    Not the best theory, I know.

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