FRINGE: 4.20 Worlds Apart

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The teams on both sides fight on for a common cause, and there are shocking developments tied to the Cortexiphan children in the all-new “Worlds Apart” episode of FRINGE airing Friday, April 27 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR-420) (TV-14 V)

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  1. Alaina says

    NICK LANE!!!!!!! YAYYYYYYY!!!! (I am on Mt time so I am a bit behind the rest of you lovely Fringies) :)

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    • says

      Yeah it only took 2 years :-p
      He dated Nick’s sister, that’s it. I died laughing, because of course that’s all it was. Another reason that Lincoln just was a non-starter for this season.

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      • Niomi Lianne says

        was expecting WAAAAY more out of the Nick/lincoln thing. really disapointed in that but I guess the writers just couldn’t fit in that storyline with the time that they have left to finish the series

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        • Rick Terry says

          I don’t know I thought is was fitting. I mean in season 2 when he recognized him it was kinda like when you recognize you sister’s old boyfriend, while he is in the midst of being chased by your Fringe team while being an invader to your universe.

          “Nick is that you…?”

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        • Darth Kate says

          that’s what i thought too. it feels like they had more planned in season two but just never got around to it so they had to pull some answer out of nowhere.

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  2. Maris says

    I just need a little time to put my feelings all together again…. ALL THIS FEELINGS RIGHT NOW….I can’t….

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  3. Maris says

    Oh My God… that was a very sad finale episode, I just never think that I would say that, but I really gonna miss the Other Side! Never think that when they shut bridge I was be that sad!!! God!!! I really learned to love the Other Side!! I want them back!!!! #allthissadfeelings

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    • Drenami says

      Oddly enough, I was just discussing with my husband (who actually fell asleep and missed it) how disappointed I was with the interaction. Hopefully a rewatch will help me see it in a different light. (fingers crossed)

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  4. gil_cdn says

    Question:
    If the Red-verse has ShowMe that can track where their people are,
    And, since Olivia and Astrid has previously access MD records to find Cortexiphan test subject (in ep. 4.04 Subject 9),

    Why don’t the Red-verse DOD trot out their soliders (Walternate can order that) and round up those dopplegangers of the Blue-verse Cortexiphan subject, bring them over to the Blue-verse (via the Bridge). This way, no matter what mind power the Cortexiphan kids have, they will not be able to psychically link with their alternate self on the other side (since they are now in the same universe, same side). And hence stopping the merging of the two universes.

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    • lizw65 says

      I can’t recall–when was it stated that the people in the AU could be tracked with their ShowMe’s? I thought they were just a kind of ID card that everyone needed to use public transport and so on.

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      • gil_cdn says

        In ep.2.22 Over There (part 2)
        SECRETARY BISHOP: I want all surveillance retasked to find a fugitive.
        COLONEL BROYLES: What fugitive, sir?
        BOLIVIA DUNHAM: Me.
        AGENT FARNSWORTH: I’ve got her – her ‘’Show-Me’’ just passed the auto scan checkpoint at Sector 47.

        In ep.4.18 The Consultant
        ALT-ASTRID: Colonel Broyles’s show me was just swiped at liberty island.
        LINCOLN: What’s he doing there?
        BOLIVIA: the bridge is there. the secretary of defense. He could be doing any number of things.

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    • Drenami says

      Good idea! I was going to ask why YOU weren’t at the table ;) Then I thought maybe the redgangers would still have the same vibration no matter where they are, same as the energy surrounding those from the other side. (you know, the one that *someone* once described as a glimmer)

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    • SF says

      And of course, because this Olivia doesn’t have all of Our Olivia (original Olivia?) memories – just most of them – and she didn’t meet DRJ until now, she had no reason to remember the cortexiphan kids that OO met already before. OO didn’t remember any of them, really, either, not until she went to Jacksonville, remember, something that with her amazing memory has always been one of those things not addressed by Fringe writers (why would she forget those kids?). It was nice to see that this Olivia (new timeline Olivia) has the same defect – once someone told her about the cortexiphan kids, once she heard Nick’s name, it was like it all came together for her and she remembered what OO knew. I wish they had had time to show it. Anyway, unless our team tells the alternate world things about what Olivia has been through, they don’t know – remember we don’t know of AO was treated with cortexiphan,though I guess all the other kids were……but that is a brilliant suggestion, gil-cdn. I think not enough time to round them up is one possibility. It was so good to see the cortexiphan tots again!!!

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  5. Hannah says

    That episode paired with the news of renewal, and knowing it’s all coming to end, my feelings got the best of me. I cried like a little baby. Walters line about how he is going to miss them is what pushed me over the edge. Oh man, sad feelings overload! Only 15 episodes left. :(

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  6. 134sc says

    Solid episode, definitely setting up for things to come.

    I think Jones knows something we don’t; his methods aren’t great, but he probably does believe he is saving the world. Plus, while Olivia is interogating Nick Lane, Walter is listening in and he says “now I think I understand” in refernce to a war that is coming. That line was never addressed again. Either it was a throw away line…or it it has a deeper meaning. Maybe Walter is aware of the war Jones thinks he is stopping. Maybe something to do with the ZFT (or am I making that up? I havn’t watched the episodes more than once, so its hard to remember details from the past)

    Don’t know about the rest of you, but I got kinda sad at the end of the episode, cuz I really grew to like the redverse. I hope now that even though both sides won’t interact, we (the viewer) still visit the otherside occasionally.

    I do have a nitpick however: the scene between the 2 Walters, while I did enjoy it and it was acted very well by Mr. Noble, Walternate was way to gentle and nice. I would think that he would still be pissed off at Walter for 1) stealing his son and 2) damaging his universe. Ever since the bridge, Walternate has not been as “evil” for lack of a better term. Did he not still send shapshifters over? Was he not still pissed at the blueverse for their role in damaging his world? I am sure I am missing other things as well.

    Anyway, looking forward to next week. O, and isnt it nice watching and knowing this is not the end? Really makes you wonder how and why they get to 2036, or even if they do. Good stuff.

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    • runthegamut says

      I agree, it’s still hard not to see Walternate as season 3’s villain. We really didn’t spend much time with him this season to get used to the newer version.

      Another thing that disappointed me was the simple handshake Peter gave him. Hello? he’s your father and you’re never going to see him again? No words? Nothing?

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  7. cliff says

    oh hey nick lane, yeah jones is lying to you, there is no war, and to prove it to you i’m gonna bring in my doppleganger and everyone else’s doppleganger from the other side, one of them being the secretary of defense, so its clear were not at war.

    oh, cool, you believe us now, once we provided solid evidence. so jones is where? ok thanks nick lane.

    game over jones.

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    • gil_cdn says

      Yeah, I was yelling at the TV (at Agent Dunham) to bring Nick Lane over to the other side, just to show him and proof to him that the two universes are NOT at war. Just show him the Bridge and how the two worlds are working together, to heal things. Tell Lincoln to tell him how a guy from Blue-verse can fall in love with a girl from Red-verse !!

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    • willg says

      Who knows how long Jones has been brainwashing Nick Lane and the others. Just showing him the Alt people would not do it. He is on a mission and he appears even less stable mentally than he was in the original timeline.

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    • hrdwhat says

      THANK YOU!!!! I was yelling at the TV too!

      I was disappointed in this ep, just cuz the pacing was really slow and drawn out. They could have covered this in half an ep and still had time for Jones to thwart this plan, with a cool twist at the end, as always.

      That said, I did miss the reverse more than I thought I would. Especially AltLivia, who I liked more in the last few eps than anytime before.

      Here’s a question: since the bridge made everyone forget Peter, does this mean everyone will remember the previous timeline now that the machine is off? Will baby Henry materialize? I sure hope so!

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  8. KLA says

    I welled up a bit in saying goodbye to the Alt universe. Never thought I would get to this point. Too bad that we did not see Alt Broyles one last time. Well, 13 episodes in year 5 is better than nothing. Sigh …..

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  9. Anonymous says

    I’ve been a big fan of this show. There’s still a myriad of unanswered questions though that keep bugging me. like what happened to Sam Weiss? Is he off the show? What about not being able to trust him? It seemed like there was more going on there than was ever fully explained. It appears that Belly is not dead which evidently means that in the Season 2 finale he lived. Why have Olivia and Peter shown no overt affection towards each other on screen since 4.15? I also still don’t quite get how the showrunners expect us to overlook all of the events of the first 3 seasons as merely prologue, like Walter inheriting Massive Dynamic,baby Henry and much more. Then there’s the question of the machine. Who built it really. If Peter was temporarily erased thn how did it come to exist regardless? I would imagine that these questions will be dealt with at least in part in the next season. But unfortunately I think that the failure to address them in a timely way has led to the decline in viewers that has kept die hard fans walking on egg shells in terms of cancellation. Overall though it’s still the most thought provoking show out there right now which is a testament to it’s superior actors and writing that while flawed is still outstanding.

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    • RKron says

      Sam Weiss has served his purpose in the storyline as the title “The Last Sam Weiss” implies. He inherited the knowledge his ancestors discovered and passed it onto Olivia. He isn’t off the show, but if the writers don’t have a big part for Kevin Corrigan, there is not a demand to have him back. As for “A Demon’s Twist Rusts”, that could have been the direction of the show when 7 seasons looked possible, but as we have 5, it’s really just up for interpretation.

      William Bell in the PREVIOUS timeline is dead. In this one, his whereabouts are unknown. Rumours of his death have been passed around Massive Dynamic and outward, but I’m sure faking your death would be easy if you’re Bell.

      Olivia and Peter show no overt affection because…wait, this isn’t even an important matter. Some like more POlivia scenes, some don’t. There are POlivia scenes coming up in “Brave New World Part 1″, so…look forward to it?

      The first 3 seasons are not so much a prologue as Season 4 is a continuation of Season 3. Everything that happened in the first 3 seasons resulted in season 4. It was Peter’s surviving Reiden Lake that made Olivia cross over to save him, leading to William Bell dying and entrusting Walter with Massive Dynamic. All this also created the birth of Henry which interferes with the Observers’ (or rather the higher ups of the Observers) plans which made it necessary to remove the problem. Season 4’s existence is based on the past seasons; it’s not ignoring it.

      Whoever built the machine is something that I’m wondering too. Obviously, if Walter built it in the future of a past iteration of the timeline, the current Walter in the present would never know because he hasn’t built it yet. This is further backed by the fact that nobody can live in two points in time of two different timelines to answer this question. You can choose to believe the Observers did it, but for now the future Walter and co. seem like a safe bet.

      As for the machine existing, I’ve stated my position on it being a paradox, because the machine exists as a representation that the new timeline exists. The future of a past timeline took the machine backwards in time to deposit it, so it exists in all subsequent branches of the universe. That future may be gone through Peter’s correct choice to save both universe, but the past must exist. And if the machine exists, then Peter must be the one to have chosen to save both universes, but if Peter is part of the problem, then he must be erased through his own decision, yet the machine must continue to exist because the decision has been made by Peter (even if it does not respond to him until Peter convinces Walter to fix that).

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      • willg says

        Great post. This is everything I was going to say to Anonymous up there, but you already took care of that. Thanks for explaining season 3. I get flustered when people think season 3 does not matter. It is what is responsible for getting us to this point.

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      • Ian S. says

        The answer to the machine is perfect. However, I just want to know how they powered it. Since it was still in the past, it would be of course perfectly possible to assemble it, but how was it powered? I believe that we could look at the two timelines happening side by side, and when Peter powered it in our timeline, it activated it in this timeline, this is sort of where they diverged, and the two worlds just assumed by assembling it that’s what turned it on.

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        • RKron says

          Or think about it this way: the last scene of the Season 3 finale stands true and Peter was actually with the Olivias and Walters for a short bit of time before the timeline was fully rewritten, in which case Peter was IN the machine that night in both the new and old timeline. It turned on because Peter exists.

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      • cliff says

        Explain the glass discs in people’s hands from season 1. or the kid observer underground for so long.

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        • RKron says

          Haha, the kid Observer is still a mystery to me. Frankly, I maintain it’s the young September and his mission with the Observer’s science division started that early in his life (though what is age to an Observer? That kid could be older than me)

          As for the glass disks, I haven’t watched Season 1 in a long time (and even when I do, there are things still up in the air when the show hadn’t found its footing), but I think I recall the glass disks being a part of a CIA task force that John Scott and many others were in. The CIA hired Massive Dynamic to extract the information from the disk and brain upon John’s death, but with part of his consciousness stuck in Olivia and fading fast, Massive Dynamic never completed the assignment. Still, Olivia used what was left of John to take down Moreau.

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          • M says

            I actually figured this one out last week. The kid from Inner Child was bald and pale because of the low levels of oxygen he was receiving. He is not an Observers. The Observers from the future are also bald and pale for the same reason. Their atmosphere is polluted and they don’t get enough oxygen.

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              • Rick Terry says

                …Although it would be cool if it was a Young September, that somehow got away from his future, or was banished from his future as a child.

                Get this: Remember Walter said it was terrible what “they” did to him. What if The head Observer(s) decided to go back in time to when September was a child, and then abduct him only to send him way far back in time alone to fens for himself and sealed him underground in the original blue timeline, so that he couldn’t mess with the timelines anymore. We know they can traverse universes, and timelines, and also time-travel easily. So it isn’t too big of a stretch. That would be terrible to take a little boy and send him back in time to a dead timeline because of something he has yet to do in the future. Of course the extent of his future traveling would not necessarily be affected since we know he saw the child from his perspective in the future. He of course recognized himself as a child, and this would of course give him reason to prevent this from happening. Time travel is a funny thing to play with, but it goes both ways too.

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    • DeepRunner says

      Although I have commented on this previously, I don’t think you can read too much into the P/O lack-of-overt-affection angle. There were a couple of episodes which focused on Fauxlivia and Over There, so there would be no time for P/O to be amorous. Who know, maybe Anna Torv and Joshua Jackson welcome a break from the intense headrush that shippers got from 4.12, 4.13, and 4.15. The finale episodes for this season look like we will get a good dose of P/O.

      Same token, the spacing between P/O this episode was a bit odd. Separated by Broyles in the conference room, separated by Walter in Broyles’ office, and only a couple of lines of direct dialogue between the two. Could be an Easter Egg foreshadowing some separation coming between the characters (Olivia’s fate, for example).

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  10. says

    I’m kinda glad the red verse is gone,I’m not a big fan it…and good thing Lincoln decided to stay over there,he’s pointless anyway. It was very emotional,acting by J.N was great but a little boring..7/10.

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  11. T says

    Got to say I thought the ending was a little anti-climactic.

    Also thought they wasted a lot of potential good cross universe character development time. Maybe I’m still just upset that Olivia is the only one to remember the previous timeline (come on…at least Walter, Walternate and Altliv should remember too!).

    Good episode…gave it an 8.

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  12. T says

    Didn’t we learn from the other universe in the alternate time line that giving an adult Cortexiphan kills them? It was when Brandonate wanted to experiment on children and Walternate said no. So how could Walter give AlterNick Cortexiphan and he be ok?

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    • says

      I’m guessing it had something to do with his connection to Blue Nick Lane. Another theory could be that the dose given was much lower, if Cortexiphan was even what he was given before Walter casually dropped LSD in his mouth.

      Speaking of which, the only person we’ve seen trip out is Broyles (Walter does not count). I’d be curious to know how Walter has synthesized his LSD cocktail to the point that the effects disapate so quickly. [ Dear Mom, I am speaking hypothetically. Not from personal experience. O:-) ]

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    • number six says

      Right? They made such a big deal about it last season! I was shouting, NOOOO, THAT WILL KILL HIM! Continuity is for sissies, I guess.

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    • RKron says

      I just assumed the Cortexiphan was for Olivia because the bag was so far off to the left from alt-Nick.

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  13. Maris says

    So after all that feelings have calmed, I can speak and think more clearly.
    About the DRJ plan, he seems much smarter that I originally thought. He have a very good plan, and probably a very complex one, and people that are willing to execute no matter what, and this transforms him in a more dangerous enemy. The question that pops in my head is, how he was able to located the cortexiphan kids … And if he still have plans to use Olivia’s powers to achieve his goal… Oh … he really is much more crazier than I thought too, because, come on, have a arc if all that creep animal, he is really insane.
    I really would like to know what exactly Walter understand about that quote of ZFT that Nike made. Some times, in a crazy obscure corner of my mind, I think if Belly is not behind that all, I never trust in him…
    Ok, that and, make my eyes became full of tears. I never was a big fan of the Other Side, but man, in the last minut I was like ” Please do not work, please don’t close the bridge” I never thought that I was so attached to the Other Side until now!! Oh and Jonh Noble…why he dosen’t have a EMMY? Why??
    For me? I really enjoyed this episode very much. Very curios for know what are the really intentions of DRJ. And hope to see the other side again.
    Let the 5° season come!! * happy dance*

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    • Fran says

      I think that this DRJ is too smart compared with the DRJ from the original timeline. That’s why I think that Alt William Bell can be behind all this, working together with DRJ and Meana…

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  14. Scott42444 says

    So, will we have a regular blue intro next week? No need for yellow anymore, right? If its red, my jaw will drop.

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    • Ian S. says

      That’s true…what will the intro be? I assume it will stay amber though, amber seems to me now the colour that combines everything we’ve seen; our world, alt-world, new timeline our world, new timeline alt-world, together into one purified colour. I sort of expect amber to stay now :)

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      • says

        Yeah, I think you’re right. It makes sense to keep the amber because the blue was the original timeline.

        You know, I really do LOVE this show. I’m happy we’re getting a season 5.

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  15. number six says

    Wow, that was… bland.

    Walter’s real crime was to make those Cortexiphan subjects more boring than their normal alternates, because damn if Alt!Nick wasn’t more interesting than Cortexiphan!Nick. And can the show please stop having one character almost every episode telling me, what a special snowflake Olivia is? I got the memo that she’s the strongest one and the leader the first hundred times, thank you very much. I would appreciate that they actually showed it for once, now that would be convincing.

    Speaking of Cortexiphan, were they injecting Alt!Nick with it? I thought it was dangerous for normal adults…

    I really hope they didn’t expect me to believe Peter was in any real danger of disappearing again, this wasn’t the season finale. And the same goes for Olivia, I hope they don’t want me to believe Olivia is in any real danger and don’t end the season with her apparent death. There is the whole Etta business, I doubt she can give birth and take care of her for 4 years if she’s dead.

    Lincoln “I can’t have you, but I can try again with your alternate” Lee. Ew, just ew! Good riddance, though.

    I wish John Noble had been given a better doubles scene. After waiting so long for a confrontation between Walter and Walternate, they give us just one scene and a very anticlimactic one at that.

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    • JM says

      It was an OK episode, im not gonna go overboard like I did last week with 4.19. However I think it contained the best unintentional comedic moments (IMO) of the season.

      This episode reminded me that only peter and olivia remember seasons 1-3 which annoyed me. The walter/walternate scene should have had so much more fire to it, but as they dont remember….it didnt, so it was good i guess and john nobles acting was great and i have to say the way it was shot made it look as natural as if john noble had a twin.

      Lincolns “home is where the heart is” moment at the end where he decided where he was going, felt completely forced to me, how long has he been over there a few weeks? a month at most? i know he “fell in love” with ourolivia after they talked at a diner and almost had soup, but its a bit ridiculous and pointless. Which actually sums up lincolns time on the show perfectly. His constipated face while his hands were clenching the desk made my day.

      Finally, i dont know why suddenly Peter is getting loads of corny lines for example in the beginning when hes like “were not gonna let jones do this!” and i remember he had a few around the interuniversal table in 4.09. His “LICK LAY” roar made me LOL

      A few things im gonna miss about the “over there”:
      -Fauxlivia who is now better than ourolivia
      -Fauxlivia’s pea coat cause she looks HOT in it
      -Walternate

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      • number six says

        “The walter/walternate scene should have had so much more fire to it, but as they dont remember….it didnt, so it was good i guess and john nobles acting was great and i have to say the way it was shot made it look as natural as if john noble had a twin.”

        John Noble was great, of course, but since the emotional punch was taken away, Walter’s and Walternate’s ONLY SCENE TOGETHER (let that sink for a minute) fell very flat. I got more emotional by Altstrid’s adorable little wave. So Walter was crying, doesn’t he do that every couple of episodes?

        “His “LICK LAY” roar made me LOL”

        I agree that Peter’s roar was awkward, but he gets lots of leeway from me, because, once again, he saved both universes (although he wanted to dump that task on Alt!Nick). As for corny lines, everyone had them this episode.

        “Lincolns “home is where the heart is” moment at the end where he decided where he was going, felt completely forced to me”

        When hasn’t that character felt forced?

        “-Fauxlivia’s pea coat cause she looks HOT in it”

        I disagree completely about Fauxlivia’s coat. She looked awful in it. She should leave the whole peacoat wearing business to the professionals.

        “-Walternate”

        I’d like to say I’ll miss him, but his role this season has been minimal, which is a shame, because I loved John Noble’s performance as Walternate.

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        • JM says

          Having rewatched bits of the episode i have to agree on the corny lines, i dont know why the dialogue has gotten so bad this year and its not just this one episode. Its from the beginning of this season, and it shows no sign of improving. Dont get me wrong there always some excellent lines, but there are now consistently poor ones in every single episode.

          Were going to have to agree to disagree about fauxlivs pea coat. I…like it :P

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          • number six says

            “Were going to have to agree to disagree about fauxlivs pea coat. I…like it :P

            *gives you the side-eye*

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          • says

            JM — you are right about the some of the lines this season. Do you think it’s because they added Lincoln (only half joking)? Nonetheless, at least the good stuff out weighs the bad. I love Fringe so a few horrible lines takes nothing away from the brilliance of the show, in my book. :)

            In terms of the episode. I enjoyed it and need to re-watch, so I will refrain from offering any other opinion.

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            • JM says

              As much as I would like to, I dont think its possible to blame the bad writing on Lincoln. Although I agree the good outweighs the bad for the most part. IMO the worst scene writing wise this season was when Olivia was trying to talk down the bomber in 4.10, absolutely shocking.

              I have described the scene a while ago on here so forgive me for repeating myself its basically like this:

              The bomber has planted a massive bomb in the parking garage in a building has a backup on his chest incase that one dosent work. So olivia says “Look i dont wanna die today and i dont think you do either” It is like WTFFFF

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    • Dylan says

      I finally got my Walternate/Walter scene. They just weren’t the versions I wanted to see together.

      At least I have the last few minutes of season 3 and the “you shattered my universe”/”sunk my battleship” confrontation.

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      • number six says

        That confrontation in S3 wasn’t between the original Walter and Walternate, though. Peter had already disappeared and they had already transformed into amber Walter and amber Walternate. :(

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        • Dylan says

          Oh yeah, well there was that initial stare while Peter was going on about the machine being sent back in time

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    • DeepRunner says

      Re: Lincoln selecting Fauxlivia as TNBT (NOTE TO LINCOLN FANS: THE FOLLOWING IS NOT A COMPLAINT):

      I think the writers will try to have his character attempt some NCMO action with Fauxlivia, and they have T-E-L-E-G-R-A-P-H-E-D this since TEOME. But there is something just a bit…Freudian?…about each character going after the other’s doppelganger. To borrow a phrase that has made the rounds around here, that WOULD be lazy writing.

      Far more fascinating with many more possibilities is Fauxlivia getting her memories with Peter back and THEN having Lincoln try. The look on his face when he found that out would be BEYOND PRICELESS.

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      • JM says

        LOL ive just got to the peter/lincoln scene where peter says “home is where the heart is” and if you pause it straight after he says that you see lincoln with his hands braced against the table and it looks like hes trying to back one out, oh hilarious.

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  16. says

    I’m still digesting the episode. I was surprised that they closed the bridge. I’ll miss Altliv, Astrid and Broyles . . . Lincoln I won’t miss. However, I don’t think Lincoln is nor the altverse is gone for good. I can’t see them just dropping it when we have a season five coming. Hey, maybe they will.

    I am a Polivia fan and would like to see a bit more affection (not overtly) between the two, but it’s not a show stopper. Looking forward to next week.

    My one observation was Peter’s seeming coldness to the idea of closing the bridge. It was funny, but I felt no emotion from Peter in terms of the alt folks. He’s just “we’ve got to turn off the machine.” I just found that odd.

    I’m going to rewatch the episode tomorrow and maybe I’ll have more to offer. I gave the episode an 8/10. I agree that the end was a tad anticlimatic.

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  17. Ian S. says

    Really fantastic episode, had everything great about Fringe in it. But, I hope they returned alt-Nick Lane to his universe before they closed the bridge!

    The machine aspect still bugs me though, I know the answer to how it was turned on in this timeline is that “it was just on”, but that doesn’t really mean anything…I want to know how they assembled it, turned it on, bridged the universes, and why they needed someone else to turn it off. I suppose it was turned on because of Peter so they needed him to turn it off, but I wish they would have this conversation or something. Perhaps it will still be explained.

    Besides the strangeness surrounding the BBM, this was a fantastic episode. The ending was heartbreaking and I still cannot believe our show won’t have moments between the alternates anymore. Although, I’m sure this isn’t the last we’ve seen of the alt-world ;)

    9/10

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  18. JM says

    Not to kick a gift horse in the mouth, but im struggling to understand Lincolns use to the otherside, surely there are more qualified agents who have lived their whole lives on the other side (charlie) and considering their fringe division is public knowledge its not like its because he already knows about, and therefore it means they dont have to tell anyone else classified information (But then again people can just find fringe division using a license plate)

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    • number six says

      He didn’t stay over there because of his usefulness. I think the writers’ implication is that Fauxlivia is his consolation prize, which mean he has to stay over there if he wants to get any. Since Fauxlivia seemed to be more attracted to Walter two episodes ago and she seems to be more friendly to Lincoln than anything, I’d like to think she’ll have better taste than hooking up with that bore (not to mention the whole bedding a working partner, something she has been refreshingly free of).

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    • Dylan says

      This is Fringe. I highly doubt we’ll go the rest of the series without seeing them again.

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  19. gil_cdn says

    Did anyone in the Red-verse Fringe Division remember their brave Captain Lee is DEAD?
    If Alt-Nick-Lane reported to Fringe Division that he has important information for Captian Lee, would the reception have told him that Captain Lee is dead. Afterall, they did the whole funeral with his parents attending, they clear out his locker, obviously they would not let the Blue-verse Agent Lincoln to lead the Fringe Division. And did Alt-Nina and Alt-Broyles are both behind bars related to Captain Lee’s death?
    Did no one at Fringe Division get a memo that both their boss (Col.Broyles and Captain Lee) are no longer working there?

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    • Dylan says

      I was more confused about how exactly Lane managed to get into that room

      he’s not exactly a member of the Fringe team

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    • Fran says

      It’s absurd that Altlivia is not the new captain. Our Lincoln is there for a couple days and he is already calling the shots? Pathetic

      I hope we will see more of the Altverse, it is a fascinating world and I have so many questions about it yet…

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  20. Dylan says

    I actually enjoyed this episode, despite how annoying it was that no one suggested that Peter could just re-create the bridge as soon as Jones was taken care of.

    Makes me wonder too which side Jones wound up on, or if he maybe plans on just creating his own bridge (or better yet, maybe the machine being shut off is exactly what he wanted them to do).

    See, this is why filler Fringe is no fun.

    Onwards to the finale!

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    • JM says

      Didnt they have to like overload/break the machine to destroy the bridge? and as they dont know to fix it…

      Well that was my read on the situation anyway

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      • Dylan says

        Oh yeah, the whole power surge and what not – why were they doing any of that? All they needed to do was get Peter in the machine (where is the other side’s machine btw?) and turn it off that way.

        I don’t know. It didn’t make any sense to me, but…and I can just feel the familiars preparing to attack me over this…this is just like “Walter built the machine” (yes, i said it – and that’s because it’s the best example of the writers being wrong!).

        …yeah.

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          • JM says

            “where is the other side’s machine btw?” i do know the answer to that question.

            The room where the machine is bridged with the other world, so they are occupying the same space, so both our machine and their machine is the machine seen in the bridge room. gedit?

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        • ToxicCrusader says

          The machine in this timeline has no biomechnical interface for Peter (like it did in the previous timeline) either meaning that Peter getting into it would do absolutely nothing, or that because the machine is already ‘on’, nothing could really affect it. That is why Peter and Walter worked on their own interface so Peter could try and get back to the old timeline, with this instead being used as seen here in the episode to in fact turn it off.

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          • JM says

            Yes I did think along those lines, and was going to comment on it but then thought of the massive questions that poses. If the machine as you said has no human interface because peter didnt exist, then in the future (where peter didnt exist) walter would have sent it back in time after he built it with no interface (sorry Dylan). But now that Peter has returned to the timeline then surely that future is now different meaning that it would have been sent back in time with a human interface? agh i am so confused….

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            • Dylan says

              It just occurs to me that they’ve purposely avoided showing any of the drawings regarding the machine…

              Even in this timeline, the future would have still included Peter. He was always going to appear. This principal, and the fact that Peter did appear, means that there was never a future where Walter sent back the machine without Peter having existed. It’s impossible (not without breaking logic, which nowadays…is possible).

              And besides, how was the machine activated in the first place if it wasn’t Peter? There was no interface when both machines were activated, we know that the other side was still the first to activate it – how often can the writers dodge answering exactly what happened?

              Nothing related to the machine in this season makes any sense.

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              • Rae says

                If you watch the earlier season eppies carefully, it’s all explained. Yes, not to the extent some want it to be, but it’s explained none-the-less.

                The machine was activated with the piece alt-liv stole while she was playing blue-Liv. Walternate’s intent was to destroy Blue-verse, but instead, the machine, to obvious eyes, created the bridge. In actuality, it was Peter inside the machine in his timeline who created it. We, the audience, we’re the only ones who knew that.

                As long as the machine is on, the bridge is there, but Peter’s genetic code no longer had any influence on the machine, because alas, his non-existence forced his attachment moot. Welcome then, to the bio-mechanical interface.

                I’m a firm believer, that this is where the beginning of the show started. With this interface being the reason Peter can use it to begin with. Yeah, i know it’s a headache. But it would be a damn cool one.

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                • Dylan says

                  But September explained that this is his timeline, only rewritten, therefore either Peter can operate the machine or he cannot, meaning that either he created the bridge or he did not; it can’t happen both ways.

                  It’s impossible that Peter hopped in the machine and created the bridge (he had apparently become non-existent from the moment Walter and red-Peter crossed over and red-Peter drowned in that “September can all of the sudden do this” moment). Since this is apparently his timeline, none of this makes sense (it doesn’t make sense anyway, regardless of how one looks at it). In a single moment, in a single universe, in a single timeline, Peter cannot have simultaneously created the bridge and not created the bridge.

                  It’s bad enough trying to even wrap the mind around this whole “Peter didn’t exist” idea, because he’s here now and there is nothing inbetween existence and non-existence (and if you don’t exist then you cannot just “bleed through” from nowhere).

                  btw where in season 4 was the dialogue about the piece having activated the machine?

                  I appreciate the answers you have given me (answers that the show has given), but…they don’t make sense.

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          • Dylan says

            But where are the reasons for this? Why is the machine different?

            And then that raises a whole new issue. If Peter didn’t create the bridge, then who did?

            And did they ever just try putting Peter in the machine?

            ugh.

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        • Ian S. says

          Peter can’t interact with the machine anymore. If you read my post I wrote on the page for the Brave New World promo, I explain my theory on that. But, the point is, (and they said this in the show), that Peter can’t interact with the machine like how he did in season 3. They made that device where he could give some control because they thought it was how we would return to his timeline. However I think the only control he has is to basically cut the power going into it (which is what that surge was, they were lowering it of its power and when it hit 100% they could safely turn it off). But now that it’s off, and Peter can’t interact with it the way he used to, I think it is stuck off.

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    • shidey17 says

      I guess I get that they had to shut down the bridge so the Cortexiphan kids can’t channel their alternates and bring about the collapse via the earthquakes.

      But can’t Jones still cross back and forth with his device? So I would think that would really add a disadvantage to the two sides…now they can’t communicate anymore to coordinate their efforts – unless they are going to use Olivia to cross back and forth or are going to reopen the bridge somehow.

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      • Dylan says

        Walter’s whole “instantly shatter both universes” quote comes to my head now in regards to what Jones could do.

        But wasn’t Jones trying to get Broyles to do something to the machine only a few episodes ago? Maybe it being turned off is exactly what he wanted, and he was just pushing the Fringe teams to do it.

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        • shidey17 says

          That could be the case. After episode 18 I figured the device would achieve the collapse via the machine, but then why would Jones have bothered with training the Cortexiphan kids to start the earthquakes?

          Maybe you’re right and they’re playing into his hand by shutting off the machine.

          My biggest question is how Jones’ plan plays into or against the possible future where the Observers rule. If he is working with Bell, I’m inclined to believe that they are trying to keep the Observers at bay, based on what we know about the ZFT manifesto and keeping creatures from the future from coming back to rewrite the timeline.

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  21. Liz says

    I have so many issues with this episode… but I’m choosing to click like button to others opinions, BUT I will just add: I will not miss AlterU and I will NOT miss Lincoln.
    I’m still of opinion that Lincoln character is so useless and was forced by some “executive” in line of business. He bring nothing and take lot from story and other character. Fringe somehow lost main soul. Again, writer had so many angst/emotional opportunity to explore and again they choose wrong path.
    And Anna Torv is so downplaying Olivia when doing Red scene, and I for one looking forward just to watch one and only Olivia.
    And yes, in this point Lincoln is like love puppy, if Blonde one doesn’t want me, hey there is Red one who has slight interest for me, meaning she smiles at me therefore she is worth to leave whole world behind and just HOPE she will appreciate this “sacrifice” and you know, “invite” me to her apartment, *geeeeeez, just kill me from this storyline/ misery*.

    Two words: John Noble and Emmy.

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    • JaniceG says

      I completely agree with you on Olivia. I feel that ALL the characters are a shell of themselves honestly. If we take the 5 main characters (OD, PB, WB, AF, and Broyles), they are bland by comparison to other seasons. When you re-watch past seasons, those characters had much more too them emotionally. Still love Fringe.

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      • Liz says

        “I feel that ALL the characters are a shell of themselves honestly.”

        This!Exactly! Maybe main problem was bad writing these season, dialogs, or something else, I don’t know. Just 4. season is not on line with season 3, IMO. But still looking forward to season 5. I have high hope :)

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    • Niomi Lianne says

      I watched the episode where the first two olivias met. the suspension, emotion, and all around amazingness was very present. I wish all of the olivia and olivia interactions had that much force behind it. They need to give back that extra feel to fringe, the kind that put you at the edge of you’re seat not just at certain moments, but for the whole episode. I’m sorry to say this, but fringe has not met my expectations for this year

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  22. Real1 says

    Actually … we are back at the end of s3 but the difference is … Peter is there , I can’t deny that am not liking the episode ! sorry for that … it was very weak in my opinion :(

    6/10

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  23. Fran says

    I loved the episode in so many ways but I have two complaints:

    1- I can’t believe they won’t show us a scene of Peter telling to Walternate that he is really his real father. And what to say about Alt Elizabeth? She is Peter’s real mother and they did shut down the bridge without letting she know that? Without an emotional scene between Peter and Eliznate? I can’t accept this…

    2- So much to explore and we lose time with Lincoln trying to find his place in the world, because suddenly he becomes a nomad that never stays in one place for a long time and never felt like he belongs. I think that was Peter.

    And it was so disrespectful with AltLincoln how they forgot him… If I can’t have the original, go for the double. Fringe put so much effort to show how different we can be comparing with yourself because of the choices that you made and then it’s not an issue if we substitute one person for their alternate

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    • JM says

      Ah! yes i also had a major issue with peter saying goodbye to walternate. One would think he would atleast want to see his mother, the relationship between peter and his mother has never been explored enough for my liking and considering how good all their scenes together are, its difficult to understand why.

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    • number six says

      1- I agree, but they can’t get Orla Brady as often as they want. I wouldn’t have any other actress playing Peter’s mom, but there are some disadvantages to that casting choice. As for Walternate, I think Peter did the right thing by not telling him the truth, because what would be the purpose? An emotional scene? Maybe, but how selfish would that be? Walternate would be aware that he’s losing his real son twice! That is, assuming Walternate doesn’t know already Peter is his real son.

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  24. mlj102 says

    This episode was just average for me, which was a bit disappointing. It had the potential to be amazing in so many ways – Cortexiphan Kids, Jones, both sides — but it just sort of fell flat to me. Still a good episode, but not as good as it could have been.

    The beginning felt shallow. Everything happened so quickly and felt rushed and, despite the urgency that was emphasized, I didn’t feel the threat. I felt like they didn’t take the time to fully explore what was going on — everything with Jones’ plan and the Cortexiphan Kids. There was a bit too much explaining and not enough showing. Consequently, a lot of what happened felt a bit contrived.

    I was particularly disappointed with the way they involved the Cortexiphan Kids and Nick Lane. Fringe usually does a really good job tying things together — bringing in small connections from previous episodes, picking up where they left off, and making it significant. But this episode felt like the Cortexiphan Kids were just thrown in there for the sake of having them there. The whole thing felt contrived and out of sync with what we know of the Cortexiphan stories. I didn’t like Nick as the ignorant villain. The way they found him felt forced and rushed. And Olivia’s scenes with him should have been significant and meaningful, but instead they just felt a bit dull. Previous episodes have established a very unique, strong friendship between Olivia and Nick. Olivia was his closest friend, the person he trusted. Even after years apart, that friendship was an anchor to him. I would have expected that if anyone could reach him, she could. I expected she would have had more of an influence on him. Or that we could have at least seen him conflicted and torn. Instead, he came across as very robotic. And maybe that was the point, but even if that’s the case, it wasn’t developed in a way where it felt natural or that it worked for the story. Instead it felt off and it really bothered me.

    I guess my biggest complaint was, as I mentioned above, most of the episode felt rushed and like it didn’t get the attention it deserved. I wish we could have seen more of what was going on, exploring the whole situation in greater depth. It would have been neat to see more of the aftermath from the earthquakes. The threat felt less vital because I couldn’t see how much they crippled the world. I think of one large earthquake and all the devastation it causes, and here we had more than 20 and it just felt of little consequence because we never really got an idea of the far-reaching consequences they had. I wish we could have seen more of Olivia and her feelings regarding what was taking place. In a lot of ways, Olivia has always been the one who has connected the viewers to what is taking place. Her conviction and personal investment in everything going on always adds to the emotion of the events of an episode. But we never really saw how all this was affecting her. And there was a lot for her to react to — reuniting with Nick Lane (who was dead, as far as she was concerned), the threat from Jones, closing the bridge and saying goodbye to the other side. It felt like that was missing.

    That said, the second half of the episode helped to strengthen the episode and to redeem it for me. I really enjoyed the interactions between the two Olivias and the two Walters. They’ve really softened alternate Olivia a lot this season, and it suits her well. She’s still tough and has that confident sort of attitude, but it’s not as cocky and arrogant and self-centered as it was. I was glad to see her and Olivia settle their differences in an indirect sort of way. Their scenes together were really good. I hope we get to see a rainbow Over There. Walter and Walternate was good, too. Like alternate Olivia, Walternate has been softened a lot this season. And I know some people don’t like it, but I really didn’t mind. All during Season 2 and 3, it was hinted that these were the attributes that were at the heart of Walternate, but the condition of his world forced him to take a more hardened approach. I like to think that the recovery of his world allowed him to become a bit more reasonable and considerate. I think it’s a natural development for his character and I think it was significant for our Walter to have that moment with Walternate and to be strengthened by his support.

    I hadn’t expected the loss of the bridge connecting the two sides to be such an emotional, significant moment. While I’m sure we haven’t seen the last of Over There, watching them split up and lose that connection had a certain sense of finality about it, so it was a really emotionally satisfying moment for me. Alternate Astrid’s wave about did me in. They really did a great job with that whole scene and giving it the time and the significance it deserved. There is a part of me that can’t help but think that forcing them to turn off the bridge and sever that connection was all part of Jones’ bigger plan.

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  25. Martina says

    Oh Nick Lane…there was a time i liked you so much…
    YOU and LSD were the only things that could make Broyles laugh… NOW F*CK OFF!

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  26. Rae says

    Very, very awesome eppy. Definitely one of my favorites of the season!

    The best scene, IMO, was the one shared between the Walters. All season long I’ve been waiting for a talk like this, and I finally got it. Not only do these men share a love for a son, that, in *this reality* according to them, isn’t either of theirs, but they also share the same determination to make their worlds a better place. At the end of the day, this is the common goal they’re going to share despite the fact that the two universes will now be severed. I think too, that Walternate went away with the belief that Walter will continue to do as he, and no matter what, fight for the longevity and survival of their respective sides. Interesting too, that Peter was initially the aspect that caused such animosity between the two parties, and now, he’s the reason their mutually fond of the other. Walternate knows, in his heart of hearts, that somewhere Peter became the man that he is because of a broken, addled Walter like the man standing before him. I half expected Suits Bishop to say he was proud of his alter ego right there in the bridge room. If did fit better in his words of ‘Twenty five years ago you wouldn’t have been able make this choice…’ when he spoke to Walter outside the hanger. Gotta admit, I almost teared up while they sat there together, sharing a metaphorical drink in the lull of the shit-storm. It was just an all around -aww- scene for me.

    To see too, that not only have the Walters acclimated a friendly accord, but so have the Dunhams. The scene at the end, when they both admit they find the other admiring was a sweet present. Of course, *that* particular talk I’ve been waiting for since the third season, and it was just nice to see our hard-shelled-when-it-comes-to-the-other-her- Olivia open up to the red-head, and be not only cordial, but appreciative. Needless to say, it was just nice to see that OurLiv now shares the same view as the audience with it comes to Spunky McDunham. And something tells me that one day, we’ll see a rainbow in the sky in the Redverse….just for you Fauxlivia, just for you.

    Second coolest feature of this episode had to be Nick Lane. Where you been man? We’ve missed you! Have to say though, I was expecting more then childhood proximity to be the bond between Lincoln and Lane, (hoping, may be a better word here), but I suppose in the end, the fact that they played in the same treehouse works well enough. I guess this means Lincoln is even less useless then I’d hoped,…what a bummer. Anyway, back to topic, hearing Nick use the words ‘Bad thoughts’ was ironic considering it was his ‘Bad dreams’ that caused Olivia to look him up in season one in the first place. Maybe a callback, maybe simply dialogue coincidence, who knows. We find out here too, that it wasn’t Massive Dynamic in this timeline, but Jones who taught these cortexi-tots how to harbor their powers. Which tells us again, that somehow Peter played an unseen hand in the revelation of the children to each other in season one, because they were never found out about until now. I’m sure somehow, somewhere there’s an answer for that mystery.

    Getting back to the Nick Lane aspect, I for one, was happy to see that he played them all there, in the end. In my opinion, to have convinced him in under and hour to switch sides and his convictions would have been just a little to contrived. I mean, here comes this guy who teaches him not only how to live like a normal person, but ultimately, teaches him of his destiny, and Nick trusts so fiercely in those lies, that to have them debunked with simple words of ‘oh, you’ve been lied too’ without any real evidence, would have just been a bit much for me to believe. Good effort though, on Liv’s part, gotta hand it to her, she’s a firm fighter for all the good she’s trying to make Nick see. Oh, and shout out to Tommy here for NOT DYING. I was scared there, man! I was about to cry crocodile tears because your character is so under utilized and just cooler then a specific agent who none of us can stand anymore….

    Speaking of Lincoln, did anyone else roll their eyes when his followed the Alt-dunmator there at the end? Yeah, I’ll admit, I liked this scene for the low-key bromance it hinted at between he and Peter, and it’s nice to know Lincoln doesn’t still hold a grudge against the man who stole away his ‘hollar-call’. In the end, this was only a good scene so far as its friendship value between these two men, because how on earth, can Lee have the ability to fall in love with a Dunham in under two weeks? First, he’s in love with Peter’s baby’s mama, and less then a few days later, he’s thinking the red-headed version might not be so bad either. And to top it all off, he tells Peter that the red-verse is where his heart is, and his googly-eyes draw on the Spunkhamator. Funny too, that he’s telling this to the guy who owns his ass in the Dunham anatomy of both worlds. Gentleman that Peter is though, he doesn’t question Lincolns new-found attachment, like I, an audience member, would have wanted him too. Even just a ‘Really Lincoln? You’re seriously considering taking the place of a man she spent six years of her life with?”, but again, I couldn’t get that slice of cake because Peter’s respect for his comrade wouldn’t dish it out. You’re so much better them me, Junior Bishop…so, so much better….

    I do wonder though, if Alt-Dunham appreciates that Lincoln’s trumped his little suit self all over territory that belonged to a much cooler version of himself. Can’t say, I would be, if only a little, put-off by the fact. I mean, really, did he even ask her first if it would be okay? Yeah, okay, she seemed fine with it there when he requested she help him find an apartment, but we all know Liv…maybe she was just being nice. Anyways, yeah, I called this development in the story line, and yeah, I consider it development cause we won’t have to try and stand the wet-mop on our side, but poor Alt-Liv….I hope you can whip him into some kind of character progression. Use that sniper gun…we all liked that. Alot. And if he thinks he can get some…make him work for it. Hard.

    Intersting too, the role that dreams have played this season. Here, it was a dream that gave Walter the answer to Jones intention, where as earlier in the season, it was a dream that caused Peter to cross over and ask for Walternate’s help, a series of events which ultimately led to Walter’s willingness to help Peter, and in result, create the bio-mechanical interface they used in this episode. I’m sure many of your remember too, that it was a dream that reminded memory-less Liv that Peter’s not the stranger she’d first thought. Turns out everyone in company had dreams about some kind of big bang.

    So, I suppose that it was Walter’s dream that clued him in on the Big Bad’s plan for world domination fits well enough in the context of subconscious messages this season. Turns out our thoughts give way to our dreams, and our dreams give-way to our consciousness….maybe our thoughts do dictate how we see reality, whether we’re presently aware of it or not.

    It was nice though, in this episode, to understand the point of the bio-mechanical interface they’d created in earlier episodes. I wasn’t sure that aspect was going to get picked back up as it seemed pointless once Peter’s ‘true home’ became non-issue. But again, this show has always been about re-introducing us to sub-plots, as it is about loops, spirals, and spherical nature.
    So for this season to have begun with Peter creating the bridge, and ending with him collapsing it, well, something can be said for nature only knowing balance.

    This episode I gave nine stars to! Just well done all around, and the non-stop action was kick ass. LOVED IT~~!

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    • says

      “I think too, that Walternate went away with the belief that Walter will continue to do as he, and no matter what, fight for the longevity and survival of their respective sides.”

      The talk between the Walters about the universe changing, and ones life is what one thoughts make it was brilliant. And then talking about Marcus Aurelius, who survived a war and then spent the rest of his life working for the betterment his people justified the bond between them. They are on the same team.

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    • Roneo says

      * Standing ovation * to each and every one of the words of this comment. Wonderful review, I think I now appreciate the episode even more.

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    • Darth Simous says

      Rae, although i didn’t like this episode as much as i would have liked to, i enjoyed every sentence of your post. Very well-thought throughout, i agree 95% with your statements made, many thanks for sharing with the rest of us, just two thumbs-up & regards. Simon

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  27. DeepRunner says

    GOOD. SHOW.

    The enduring memories for me of this episode will include:

    * Walter and Walternate. If John Noble doesn’t get an Emmy for his work in this eppy (as throughout the year), then there is just no love (nor will there ever be any) for good acting on this great show. The hallway scene, the chine scene. John Noble is phenomenal. Maybe before the end of SEASON FIVE, Walter and Walternate (and I hope we see Elizabeth) will come to the conclusion that this is THEIR Peter.

    * There was a good callback to ATWLB when Walternate left the conference room to respond to an urgent message about the earthquake, with Walter saying that he couldn’t stay in the same room. Reminiscent of Peter’s frustration with Walter earlier this season.

    * Olivia and Our Favorite Redhead. Good scenes. Interrogation of Nick Lane scene. Goodbye Scene. Anna Torv is another who deserves an Emmy for all the various versions of the Dunhamnator. I think we we will see Altlivia again before the end of SEASON FIVE (yes, I really enjoy typing those words)

    * Nick Lane, lying, deluded traitor. The callbacks to Bad Dreams (“you were always the strong one, Olive”, reverse empathic whose feelings were contagious) were extensive. His eerie devotion to DRJ was well-played. When he was alone with the cop in the back seat, you could see it coming. I am eager to see the coming battle between Nick Lane and Olivia Dunham, if it happens before the end of SEASON FIVE.

    * Peter. For the second time in the series, Peter chose to remain with Walter over his real dad, Walternate. He seems pretty intent on keeping his knowledge of his exchange with September a secret, though. Perhaps, we will find out why before the end of SEASON FIVE (can you tell I’m happy?).

    * Lincoln. His character did not subtract from this episode. His talks with Peter, especially at the end when they were closing off the Bridge, really added to the show. Maybe before the end of SEASON FIVE, he will find the love of his life.

    * The Bridge Closure. In the original timeline, with the exception of Fauxlivia for Peter, neither side would have missed the other as much. Also, Walter’s genuine surprise that Peter remained after the closure was pretty cool. Here’s hoping they re-open the Bridge before the end of…

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  28. SissySiri says

    I’m happy for Lincoln and Altliv, she was not in love with Captain Lee. So Altliv likes geeks, lucky break for Lincoln. That’s a wrap!

    The writer’s would need 20 seasons to explain every little detail of every single thing said or done in previous episodes. How boring would that be? I guess I am just happy that we get a shortened season 5. Fans of this show love it and therefore will forgive a few faux pas that may happen.
    This show is complicated and I think that the writers are doing a great job. I hope in the little time left that we have satisfactory conclusions to story-lines; it is going to be difficult to cram all that into a shortened season. I hope they can finish up to everyone’s liking.

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  29. Darth Kate says

    I keep seeing comments about people wanting them to “hurry up” and catch jones in this ep…. why would they do that *before* the finale? This ep is obviously set up for the next two. This is a story. Someone is consciously pacing it to meet their needs. cool your jets people.

    and i also think its obvious that there is more to jones’s motivations than what nick lane seems to think. And i don’t think walters “dream” is entirely accurate either. It really was the clunkiest possible way to “reveal” jones’s motivations. So much so that i don’t think its legit.

    and people are still b*tching about lincoln… not suprising… i guess i should just stop expecting rational insight…

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    • lost_stef says

      Yeah why would they even give us the endgame before the finale! & i think you are right about Walter & his dream. We shall know soon enough

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    • shidey17 says

      If I remember right, dream was the glyph code in Ep. 17. Was this what they were referring to? I don’t think it’s been brought up again…I would hope it would have more significance than just Walter’s dream.

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    • Dylan says

      Couldn’t they have just said that it had only just occurred to him rather than the whole “I had a dream!” reason.

      A great example of cringe-worthy writing.

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      • willg says

        It sort of tied into The Consultant, when Walter told Fauxlivia that the mind processes evidence, especially when you sleep.

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      • Darth Kate says

        Or just have jones himself explain it at some point. Having walter “figure out” his motives doesn’t seem logical at all to me.

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  30. lost_stef says

    I enjoyed the episode i felt that it has set us up nicely going into the finale!! bring on ‘Brave New World’

    I am sad that we may never see the Altuniverse again! im gonna miss Altlivia’s sawgger, but this is Fringe after all and we may catch a glimpse of them one day in the future :)

    P.S Im still VERY VERY VERY VERY HAPPY that we shall fight the future and see Fringe SEASON 5 WHOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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  31. Ian S. says

    Wait, so, when Alt-Nick was in the Alt-Fringe division and talked to Lincoln, did he think it was the Lincoln he knew when he was a kid? Did he not see Captain Lee’s death on the TV or something?

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    • says

      He did mention that he didn’t even know that the earthquakes had happened until he turned on the TV. Not a couch potato I guess. Lol!

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  32. hsa says

    So happy to see some posts that appreciated the 2 Walters scene. Why would the wiriters have a showdown between the two when this episode is about reconciliation between and expressed understaning/admiratrion between the Fringe characters and their dopplegangers? Walternate knows that Peter drowned in Reiden Lake. and I think he knows that if Walter had not taken him over to the blueverse, Peter would have died from the disease in a very short time. They understand their mutual love for Peter. I loved that Marcus Aurelius quote-so apt a description of Walter’s quest for redemption.

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  33. Lincless says

    Decent episode.

    + I liked the beginnig.
    + The cortexiphan children were nice and Jones’ actually makes sense if you look at Season 1.

    – the end was pointless:
    1.) Now they are separated an we all know they will be reunited (P/O principle)
    2.) Jones’ plan works either way. Great achievment.
    – why did nowbody ask alt-Broyles and Meana for help?

    I will miss Lincoln so much. But I’m confident everybody’s favourit stalker will soon show up again.

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  34. says

    “I think I shall miss them. More than I imagined.”

    For me, Walter’s line summed up the entirety of the parallel universe plot. I think this season has been good recapturing the early season one magic, especially with David Robert Jones. I think Fringe was quite neat before the parallel universe came into it and totally overtook everything. I thought I was getting a bit tired of it but now that they are gone it has left me with mixed feelings.

    I think I shall miss them, more than I imagined.

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  35. ML says

    Here’s a thought… i’m rewatching some episodes from season 3 and in 3×12 they meet this other Cortexiphan-child that is able to read minds…but not Olivias, because she is immune… so maybe the Observers are all Cortexiphan-Children from the future?
    what do you guys think?

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    • Darth Kate says

      Am i the only one who thinks the observers are reading possible reactions rather than minds? They exist outside of time remember. It’s like in episode 1×04 with “apples bananas rinocerus.” They aren’t reading minds, they’re *anticipating* based on their perspective.

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      • ML says

        Okay, they are not reading minds, ;) but they have other abilities… because in 3×19 the creepy observer does something with that pimp guy at the beginning… was it some sort of telekinesis?

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      • shidey17 says

        I don’t think they’re reading minds. I think they’ve seen the future…or possible versions of it, and they’re going off that. So I’d say you’re right that they’re anticipating based on whatever version of the future they’ve seen or whichever one they think is probable at that time. I’m not sure if any of that made sense at all.

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          • Surun Tunne says

            but i think they acquired this ability in the future and in the present episodes they are really “just” anticipating…

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  36. M says

    Sad the doppelgangers and Lincoln are gone but it felt right. We’ve moved past that part of the story. I’m glad we get to focus more on a the original characters for the final episodes. It’ll feel like Season 1 again.

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  37. DeepRunner says

    They have 15 episodes to clear-up any issues from this episode plus the next two. What I hope to see is:

    * P/O working together to re-open the Bridge. (I think the Bridge will be re-opened)

    * Walter/Walternate scenes, and that Walter and Walternate, in a complete timeline restoration, realize that this really IS their Peter

    * The Clash Of the Cortexiphan Clan

    * The birth of Etta

    * What became of our friends Over There (I really hope the relationship between Lincoln and Our Favorite Redhead is not played-out in 4.15 redux style. That would be SUCH a ploy and would run the risk of epically offending people who, know matter what, will not cut the Lincoln character any slack. It would be interesting, though, if, in a coda to WTW, Fauxlivia has her own dream about Peter)

    * AltAstrid driving a sports car (come on, you KNOW that would be cool)

    * “Alias” did an alumni call-in for its final episode. Give us AltCharlie. Just one time. Plus Elizabeth. Just one MORE time. (Speaking of Alias, the promo for next week seems to turn William Bell into Arvin Sloane)

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  38. Cortexiphan Kid says

    OMG, I jst saw that eathquake map, and I realized, that one earthquake (power 6.9) is centered almost EXACLY where I live (Slovenia). If you consider, how small my country is (just google it, you see what I’m talking about!) that’s a very unpleasant coincedence.

    And I swear, I had NOTHING to do with it!

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  39. Surun Tunne says

    ha! I am just thinking about the first S4 promo images in which you could see that bouble.
    fore-shadowing to DRJs save-zone!

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  40. Liz says

    I swear this is my last comment about Lincoln (mainly because Fringe is so much more than one character and there is bigger stuff coming), but I must express my opinion, especially after one of many reviews I read today: Everyone saying how “cute” is Lincoln and Bolivia, “they’re meant to be”, ” he left own world for her” and other “awwww” stuff.
    First of all, I didn’t but for second forced Olivia/Lincoln relationship, on show there wasn’t even hint of it, only in interview of SG and AT were some hints/wishes for this storyline. So it came to me like surprise how suddenly Lincoln become infuriate with Peter, but ok, I accepted his behavior, Olivia is awesome, let just say, it is really possible “fall in love with her in short spawn of time”. Ok, Peter won, Lincoln lost battle (he could try win this Olivia, you know, but he gave up).
    BUT after this situation, there is of course Bolivia, and she is suddenly conveniently lost her partner Lee and there is place available for Lincoln and writers constantly giving hints there is something gonna happen between these two.
    Well, I’m fine with that, as long I don’t have see it. But if writers pursue this scenario, I just want to say how unrealistic and unhealthy I think it is. And did I said pathetic? Well it is. For more reason than one.
    Why I so bothered with these Lincoln/Bolivia stuff? Well, I’m angry at writers how much time they lost on this characters, and for what? Can someone bring some conclusion…?
    I would rather watched in season 4 how Peter and Walter all over again trying to established relationship, how Peter and Olivia felt love again, before even she remembered (that would be angsty and cool to watch), definitely more on Walternate-who had never chance to actually meet/get to know his son, and Elizabeth/Peter connection (JJ and OB have so much chemistry as son and mother).
    And missed opportunity in scenes or lack of them, with Bolivia and Peter. I prefer Peter/Bolivia not necessary as love pairing, but as emotional connection/opportunity to close chapter opened in season 3 with them. After all, It must had some impact on Peter all those moments with Bolivia and knowing fact about shared son.
    That’s why I think writers miss opportunity to make this season emotionally-awesome. It’s still good, let there be no misunderstand about it, but it had potentially be so much more and awesome.
    Last stroke would be if Lincoln and Bolivia raised Etta, instead Peter/Olivia, that would really be cherry on top :D

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  41. JM says

    What. Reviews. Are. These. Who. The. FU*K. Would. Say. That. In. Danger. Of. Heart. Attack. Call. Ambulance. Please.

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  42. ML says

    I ship almost every couple in every tv show, i’m watching…but Lincoln and Bolivia together would be so wrong…
    I mean, how could the writers forget about that fantastic moment, when Bolivia gave birth to her son and Alt-Linc was with her! They were best friends, partners and did everything for each other…. linc is just a really lame replacement for alt-linc!

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  43. SissySiri says

    Regarding Altliv . . . in the very last episode of Fringe we may get a glimpse of her looking up at a rainbow in the sky, over there . . . . . .

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  44. Darth Kate says

    Okay this is random, but i was watching 1×07 “in which we meet mr jones” and i just noticed that liv’s old flame, lucas, is played by billy burke, aka bella swan’s father……… kinda horrified right now…

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  45. J.P. says

    Hmmm… well, this episode didn’t really do much for me. It was okay, but nowhere near an epic piece like “6:02 AM EST” was. I find it incredibly hard to say goodbye to the Other Side, because come on… it’s Fringe. The Other Side has been a primary staple of the show since 1×14 “Ability”. The alternate universe is to “Fringe” what the Island was to “Lost” — the crux of the mythology. If the Other Side suddenly just disappears and we never see or hear from it again (but hey, at least Lincoln’s gone…), then it would be the same as the final season of Lost taking place completely off the Island, with no mention of the Island ever again. So let’s face it: we’ve gotta see the alternate universe again before the show ends.

    But alas, Lincoln is gone. Probably only temporarily, but yes, he’s gone. Hopefully this means the final two episodes will be truly epic without him (I can see how that would be difficult though, as Lincoln Tyrone Lee’s depth, his complexity, his inner demons, and his emotional struggles were the highlight of this season, obviously), and we can end it on a high note.

    Seeing the promo for “Brave New World: Part 1″ really has me excited. The though of William Bell being back (although I doubt that Leonard Nimoy is actually playing the character in the flesh; maybe another voice-over, maybe a youger version of Bell, or maybe we never see Bell at all, but we know that he’s out there) makes me remember the good old days of “Fringe”, like in season two, when the mystique and moral-ambiguity surrounding William Bell was a huge piece of the mythology. I can’t wait to see a movie trailer for “Part 2″, and to witness the end of this rather unconsistent season of Fringe.

    Onwards to the finale and then the final season where I guess we’re… fighting the future? But again, if we don’t see the Other Side at least once more, in a truly BIG and EPIC way, I’ll probably be more disappointed than I have been throughout this entire season.

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  46. Cortexiphan Kid says

    Ehm, I just started watching so…
    If DRJ is going to create the Big Bang, wouldn’t that return universe to it’s primal form? In which mass is extremly dense, and world expanding rapidly? But where would he be than? Since in the begining, there would be no planets (or stars), and the only element would be hydrogen (for some time). And I know, he plans to create universe, that follows his rules, but can you even do that? And even if you can, wouldn’t the risk be very big?

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  47. Cortexiphan Kid says

    I think I know, why DRJ created those ugly giant flying porcupine creatures and that creature from Unleashed. Those creatures have genetic matterial of several species, and DRJ can probably always extract their genetic matterial. So that saves him some space in his boat.

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  48. Cortexiphan Kid says

    Do you think the ”dream thing” at the begining has something to do with Nick Lane’s presence? He did appeared in an episode Bad Dreams…

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  49. Cortexiphan Kid says

    That earthquake map looks kind of weird. He put a lot of c. kids in Japan and other parts of Asia, especialy Himalaya, but none in Russia. Giving that Russia is the bigest country in the world, that realy doesn’t look right.
    Well, in Fringe, they’re maps never look quite right. Remember What Lies Below, where the whole world was being infected with that ancient virus EXCEPT for Madagaskar?

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  50. Cortexiphan Kid says

    If DRJ is trying to make universes vibrate at the same frequency, isn’t that what TJN was doing in The Man From The Other Side. Just a thought.

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  51. Cortexiphan Kid says

    The bridge is closed now, but can you still cross between them? Like in seasons 1, 2 and 3? And can Olivia still cross over?
    I mean I know, that this harder than just to walk into another room, but is it possible?

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    • Ian S. says

      Of course it is. That’s how Jones has been crossing over as well (like how we saw in Enemy of my Enemy).

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  52. Cortexiphan Kid says

    Wouldn’t dosing the other Nick Lane with Cortexiphan cause him some severe side effects?

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  53. Cortexiphan Kid says

    If Nick Lane is a reverse-empath and Olivia is an empath (WTW), that explains the psychic link.

    Olivia Dunham/Rose Hathaway
    and
    Nick Lane/Lisa Dragomir
    (Vampire Academy- not one of my favorite books, but it’s similiar)

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  54. Cortexiphan Kid says

    I wonder if DRJ is going to save us (Cortexiphan kids). Maybe he won’t save all 27 of them, but for some reason I’m quite sure, that he will save Olivia. Because why else would activate her? He knew, she would never help him like the others did, so what is he planning to do with her? It has to be something big.

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  55. Cortexiphan Kid says

    That’s great, it starts with an earthquake.

    It’s the end of the worlds as we know it and I feel fine.

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  56. Cortexiphan Kid says

    Lincoln Lee found a completly new meaning of the phrase ”to escape from the world”.

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    • DeepRunner says

      Lincoln has been locked-out. We have hidden the universe from him. No beacon to bring him back. OK, once the Bridge is open, maybe.

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  57. FringeBa says

    Why the whole team were so cold and not very excited , it was just like somebody get cold . two universes are collapsing I expect more thrill

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  58. Cortexiphan Kid says

    This can’t be the last time we see the Altverse.
    Fringe without the parallel universe is like The X Files without aliens!

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    • Ian S. says

      Let’s not forget that for seasons 2 and 3, without the bridge, we heard about the parallel universe almost every episode and in season 3 scenes were in it in almost every episode. The bridge was a convenience to cross over safely, but that doesn’t just stop the plot from happening over there (last time we saw DRJ he was over there so he might still be) and there are still other ways to cross over, even though they aren’t entirely safe.

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  59. SissySiri says

    I never had and never will have a problem with Lincoln Lee. Seth Gabel worked with what the writers and directors gave him.

    With the knowledge of two universes about to explode I think the team acted appropriately. They kept their heads on straight to solve the problem all the while giving each other meaningful looks. If they ran around like the three stooges in this door, out that door, in a panic, yelling and pulling at their hair, that would not be our stoic team that would not be Fringe.

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  60. Cortexiphan Kid says

    It’s interesting, that we are so focused on what is going on on Earth, since DRJ will collapse the whole universe (two universes, even). And yet, the ”key points” are on Earth. And we probably aren’t the only species in the universe, can’t they do something?

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  61. Robert Ariadne says

    Wow. Another spectacular episode.

    John Noble FTW! It took 20 episodes for that proper Walter/Walternate scene, but it was totally worth it. He was awesome. Cue the Emmy talk again!

    Nick Lane FTW! I’ve been hoping he’d come back for a while, and I was not disappointed. Others have been fixated on the mystery of why alt-Lincoln seemed to know Nick in Over There, Part 1; I have not. But I am glad they resolved that. I knew Nick would make the guard kill himself.

    When Walter was explaining Jones’ plan, was I the only one that thought of Halo? The idea that the machine acts like one of the Halos occurred to me as far back as Reciprocity. Obviously the machine wasn’t a Halo, but the reference came strongly back into the picture tonight. It seems like Jones wants to gather his flock into his Ark (more biblical mythology), turn on whatever godawful Halo he’s built, and repopulate what remains. Maybe the “better human being” is the Observer, and the final season will be the war with Jones’ greatest creation. If they REALLY wanted a mindfuck, what if this already happened with the first Big Bang, and all existence is constantly repeating?

    I will certainly miss the other side, if that’s the end; but as the wise Walternate once said: “Nothing is as it seems.”. I think they’ll be back.

    I’m sorry if this is a bit disjointed; I’m just flinging stuff as it comes out of my head. There are, no doubt, a ton of details I missed. I loved this episode, but it was a thousand times better because of the renewal.

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