FRINGE: 4.18 The Consultant Ratings

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The early ratings are in for “The Consultant” — but how do the numbers stack up?

Fringe dropped a tenth of a ratings point to a .9 in the 18-49 demo, equalling a series low.

Fringe Season 4 Ratings So Far..
4.18 — 2.89 million | 0.9 adults 18-49 (prelim)
4.17 — 3.01 million | 1.0 adults 18-49 (final)
4.16 — 3.11 million | 1.2 adults 18-49 (final)
4.15 — 2.9 million | 0.9 adults 18-49 (final)
4.14 — 3.10 million | 1.2 adults 18-49 (final)
4.13 — 3.00 million | 1.1 adults 18-49 (final)
4.12 —  3.05 million |  1.1 adults 18-49 (final)
4.11 — 3.20 million | 1.2 adults 18-49 (final)
4.10 — 3.33 million | 1.2 adults 18-49 (final)
4.09 — 3.19 million | 1.1 adults 18-49 (final)
4.08 — 2.88 million | 1.1 adults 18-49 (final)
4.07 — 2.88 million | 1.1 adults 18-49 (final)
4.06 — 3.03 million | 1.1 adults 18-49 (final)
4.05 — 3.21 million | 1.3 adults 18-49 (final)
4.04 — 3.14 million | 1.2 adults 18-49 (final)
4.03 — 3.18 million | 1.3 adults 18-49 (final)
4.02 — 3.05 million | 1.2 adults 18-49 (final)
4.01 — 3.5 million | 1.5 adults 18-49 (final)

Source: Masked Scheduler

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      • JM says

        I really cant think of an excuse for it this week. There isnt one. Fringe has won a few large fan polls recently, and we always do well on twitter, so maybe that swings in our favour…..but again there really is no excuse, apart from if we say the timeslot again, which we cant anymore tbh.

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        • Anya says

          It’s springtime. I tell people I have “other plans” on Friday nights, because otherwise I’d be going out too. Except for the crazy rain/thunder/lightning in Southern California last night, the weather is normally too great to spend inside.

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    • JM says

      Masked scheduler tweeted it so unfortunately it is, he tweeted both “the finder” and fringe got 0.9’s

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      • Surun Tunne says

        I’ve read that too but I just don’t think those stupid nielsen ratings are absolutely accurate…

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      • sajib says

        I don’t like to make excuses about a show’s ratings but i wonder if having the Finder as a lead-in is affecting Fringe’s ratings. Its too early to call but based on the Finder’s presence so far, Fringe has dropped below its average rating of 1.1 for the season.

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        • Surun Tunne says

          I always thought that fringe fans just watch fringe no matter what show airs before it…so I can’t really see how the finder could be responsible for the ratings drop

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          • WaySeeker says

            I can’t believe “The Finder” has less viewers than the former lead-in “Kitchen Nightmares”! I mean, really? Seriously? What show WOULD be a good lead-in for FRINGE … sheesh!

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  1. Surun Tunne says

    if only we would get a S5 confirmation, then I could see the whole ratings-situation much more relaxed…

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  2. Fran says

    Noooooooooooooooooooooo this is not fair! Such an awesome episode. Why dumb shows have so many viewers?

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  3. sajib says

    Sure, its not great news. But I don’t think it really matters now. I’m sure Fox has come to a decision beforehand.

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  4. Al Briggs says

    a 1.0 or a 1.1 wouldn’t have saved this show at this point, it’s all about syndication and the deal that Fox gets from Warner Bros. I think we’re good, ladies and gentleman.

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  5. Rae says

    Really, hardly doubt it matters now, guys. I’m not worried about it. FOX knows what this show is and what it isn’t.

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  6. earthbrah says

    Yeah, on the surface this may look bad. But I agree that the decision to renew has already been made, so we are golden!

    Future Present, y’all!!!

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  7. Lincless says

    Terrible, I don’t believe it.
    The only good thing is The Finder, because it’s just as bad.
    How is Fox supposed to renew a 0. show? Just because their other dramas are equally terrible?

    Perhaps the last two episodes were too disappointing for some viewers.
    4.16 is appreciable for fans, who notice little differences. But I heard a lot of “I thought this was supposed to be a NEW episode?” from more casual viewers. And 4.17 was certainly too much of a Lincoln Lee spin-off and not enough “core fringe”.

    Either we keep looking for excuses or we accept that Fringe isn’t loved by the public and just hope for FOX’ charitableness.

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    • sajib says

      Its definately loved by the public, its just that the ridiculous piece of ancient tech they’re using to measure that is not indicative of it. The networks need to stop living in the past and start recognising that people have social lives outside the viewing of their show and they will adjust/catch-up accordingly. Its why you have people DVR’ing the show, watching online streaming, viewing the episode a few days afterwards on places like Hulu and Itunes. And its about bloody time that TV executives realise that because of their short sightness in using an outdated model of measuring tv viewership, it has tragically cut down the lifespans of many quality shows and possibly deprived them of endings they have deserved.

      This is the future of network television and I’d argue that the future has come NOW. So the sooner they start seeing the error of their ways, the better because frankly, at this rate you’ll see fans of serialized genre shows doubting whether they should be fully immersed in their beloved show when they are no guarantees that the payoff will match the commitment. That doubt will only increase and ultimately highlight the unviability of serialized genre to survive on network television unless change the viewership measurement occurs.

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      • Cortexiphan Kid says

        So totaly agree with you!
        I for example don’t live in America, and I can’t watch Fringe live. I watch an episode around three or four days on the internet after it airs. And yet, that doesn’t mean, that I’m not a dedicated Fringie-it’s exactly the opposite (just look at TOP FB chart, you’ll see what I’m talking about!:)).
        And I believe, I’m not the only one.

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        • Oliver says

          You are not the only one. I live in Spain, and I would gladly pay for the sow in iTunes or any other similar site if I had the choice, because I know that my money would help making the show rentable and providing me more and more episodes of enjoyment.

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      • Underseer says

        “That doubt will only increase and ultimately highlight the unviability of serialized genre to survive on network television unless change the viewership measurement occurs.”

        I’ve been saying this for some time on both Seriable and Fringebloggers. The grim truth is that the open-ended serialised show is a failed model. How many serialised shows have been cancelled in the past decade?

        Almost all of them! How many more shows must be cancelled before we realise: it just doesn’t work! We get invested in them, then the cretinous suits cancel them precipitously, or force hurried and undignified endings on them.

        This is why I keep blurting on why, in my opinion at least, the mini-series model is more viable. The writers are forced to create a self-contained story with little room for filler episodes or procedural nonsense. And we get proper endings.

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        • Anya says

          I was at Warner Bros’s Television: Out of the Box exhibit at the Paley Center today, and I met two girls who are huge Fringe fans. When I asked what they thought of last night’s episode, they said that they hadn’t seen it – they wait until it’s on DVD or Netflix and watch the whole thing straight through. One even commented that she just can’t handle the waiting between episodes! :(

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        • sajib says

          I agree about your mini series suggestion. Also, I’d like to add that serialized genre TV may be better off on cable, where the scrutiny surrounding ratings is not nearly as intense compared to the networks. That way, writers could be given a free creative reign without the network bosses tapping them on the shoulder and asking “Could you incorporate a bit of a standalone aspect this week so we can attract a few more viewers?”

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  8. FringeCharacter says

    The Consultant is at #6 on iTunes this am.

    Let’s face it–spring is here; people are out on Friday nights. Many are on spring break. A Cabin in the Woods was released. An invention from the ’70s, video recording makes watching TV convenient for viewers.

    Some of us watched live, tweeted, and Got Glue.

    Still hopeful for season five…

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  9. Marco says

    Last week Lincoln spin-off.
    Yesterday boring episode.

    I love Fringe but seriously something is wrong with writers.

    Oh and Peter Bishop is back this season or what ?

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      • Janenutshell says

        This is absolutely the reason why ratings are down. There is not enough of our original 3 characters!! I watch for the Peter Olivia Walter moments and there haven’t been enough of those in a long time.

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  10. Epoh says

    I thought the last two episodes were a bit dull, but I still watched them. I can’t understand why fans aren’t sticking with this show each week. Every show has good and bad episodes but fans need to watch every week! Hope this doesn’t affect renewal prospects, but people can’t really blame FOX for cancelling a show that gets a 0.9…especially when its competition (Grimm) got a 1.6. Sorry for the rant, I’m just really frustrated by all this!

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  11. megan says

    I’m beyond frustrated by this. But I think we all need to be realistic because while it would be great to get a FULL season pickup for S5 we won’t get it. TV is a business and a business needs to make money.

    I wish an annoucment either way would come out…cause the guessing game is killing me!

    If all we get is a 13 episode pickup, I’ll be happy. At least take way the writers have a better chance of ending the story the way they want, imho.

    The fact that the show has held up this long and FOX didn’t cancel at the end of S3 says something. FOX hasn’t been the prefect friend to Fringe but again they have keep the show going longer than I think many of us have expected

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    • JM says

      Just read an article that you can find the link on the “fringies we want a 5th season of fringe” facebook page, saying that Fox is going to renew fringe for a 5th season due to WB “significantly lowering” the license fees for the episodes, one the things they have definately decided on (according to the article, so take it with a pinch of salt) is that it wont be a 22 episode season as Fox are more comfortable with a 7-13 episode season, but it is expected to be 13 episodes and if it does go ahead it will be the final season.

      Again everything that is above is from an article that may or may not be accurate.

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      • shidey17 says

        I think there may be something to this. I read an article on Variety a couple weeks ago that mentioned the lowered license fees. I couldn’t find anything else to back it up, but it makes sense to get the show to a good number for syndication.

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        • JM says

          Yeah the “huge fees” that WB will get from syndication(as it says in the article) is why WB is fighting so hard for fringe and will lower the license fees

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          • Lincless says

            Yeah, just think why WB (and Bad Robot) would prefer a new season of Alcatraz to a new season of Fringe? Makes no sense.
            Both shows won’t survive longer than one more seasoin, but Fringe has much better sydndciation prospects.

            And The Finder is just as bad as Fringe, Itthink there is some truth to these 13 episodes.
            And after the last season of Fringe FOX hopes for a miracle…

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  12. Underseer says

    It’s possible that a better outcome for Fringe would be cancellation rather than a foreshortened season 5, followed shortly thereafter by a pick-up by Netflix, which, from what I can gather, would have a much more intelligent way of evaluating the show’s popularity.

    In that case Fringe could almost be guaranteed a season 6 as well.

    Perhaps it should be put to Wyman via Twitter that whatever the outcome, he and Pinkner should sit down with JJ Abrams, and hammer out an approach to Netflix to take Fringe beyond whatever Fox is prepared to give it. Or has somebody already proposed this? If not, Roco, would you do it?

    And for any US watcher who claims to be a fan of the show, yet doesn’t watch live: shame on you!

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    • Darth Kate says

      the problem is that most of the US watchers dont count. I certainly don’t even though i’ve never missed an ep.

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      • Residents Fan says

        “the problem is that most of the US watchers dont count. I certainly don’t even though i’ve never missed an ep.”

        Worse still, Fox doesn’t seem to factor in the fact “Fringe” has a
        worldwide audience. Canada, Europe, South America,
        Australasia, Africa, Asia…”Fringe” airs in all these regions, yet
        we can’t seem to do anything to make Fox take us into account. :(

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        • Darth Kate says

          Fox can’t take the world wide viewers into account because fringe isnt broadcast on fox in other countries.

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          • Residents Fan says

            True- but in both the United Kingdom and the Republic
            of Ireland, “Fringe” airs on Sky One- which is, like Fox, part
            of the News International group. So surely Sky One
            ratings for “Fringe” should be taking into account?

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              • Rodrigo says

                This is not a problem anymore. I live in South America and we can buy a Nissan, smart phones, McDonalds, whatever they try to sell with the advertisers campaign, everything is within our reach too.

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  13. sajib says

    I just want to make a passionate plea to those that DVR the show:

    PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE make a massive effort to try and support the show in the most impactful way for the last few episodes we have left. And the most impactful way to those network buffoons is to watch the show LIVE. Yes, I know its Friday night and people like to socialise and go out. Yes, I understand that the network studios have an antiquated way of measuring tv viewership. Over the past season and a bit, I’m sure you’ve enjoyed watching episodes at the comfort of your home a few days after initial airing while a significant number have made a massive effort to keep this sinking boat afloat. But at this point in time, this boat is nearly awash.

    You may not realise how badly the SHOW NEEDS YOU more than YOU NEED IT at this critical juncture. If even one-fifth of you who DVR the show can make a gargantuan effort to watch live, you will be amazed at how much goodwill you will be doing for the show. YOU have the power to give this boat a second wind.

    I leave you with this one lasting image to ponder over. There will come a time one day when you come to check your DVR only to realise that the show you’ve come to know and love does not exist anymore. Do you wish to live with the painful reminder of “what could have been” had you tuned live more often? Don’t let the efforts of these wonderful actors and writers go in vain. Give it the ending that it deserves and befits that of the commitment you’ve shown over many years. The journey of the show all began smoothly because of the wonderful fan support. And it can only end satisfactorily with that same support.

    Make yourself counted.

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  14. Jacksonheights says

    Sad news. 1. Stop with the Netflix I doubt that will happen. Would someone tell me what show they watch on Netflix that is no longer on tv. We only had .9 on tv do you think people are going to go to nEtflix to watch fringe. I love and support this show but I would not blame Fox if they had to cancel it. They run a business. Let’s hope the 3 days after number jumps.

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  15. MikeMike says

    If this show gets a season 5 I will be stunned. This show should’ve ended at the finale of Season 3.

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      MikeMike
      You are a VERY brave person to say this on a site like Fringe Bloggers.

      And (OF COURSE!) I don’t agree with you.

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      • DeepRunner says

        Kate, Kate, Kate…C’mon now, the eppys have gotten infinitely better since The Wallflower.

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        • Darth Kate says

          um, no. they’ve gotten infinitely better since A Short Story About Gaping Plot Holes- oops, I mean “love.”

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          • DeepRunner says

            Well, Fringe is what it is….ALL OF IT. Shipping and FOTW and everything else, and yes, even some people’s precious Lincoln. Enjoy ALL of Fringe before there is NONE of it to enjoy.

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            • Darth Kate says

              that is probably the most flawed and upsetting logic i have ever heard. [comment removed as per comment policy -ed] no, im not going to enjoy all of it because not all of it is enjoyable. i do not bend over and take bad storytelling. You know why? because bad storytelling is a disservice to *US* the loyal viewers who keep the show afloat and participate in letter writing campaigns and buy merchandise and show up at conventions and vote in viewer polls. It is our duty as informed consumers to point out what works and what doesn’t. The fact that you guys just swallow everything they feed you freaks me the hell out. its almost Orwellian. are they paying you? is this a conspiracy? i keep hearing the same pandering apathetic responses from dozens upon dozens of fans of all sorts of things be it fringe or twilight or nintendo or mass effect, whatever! fan loyalty does not mean that we have to be apologists for everything. it does not mean we have to like everything about a show or book or movie. It’s not about turning your brain off and going with the flow. it is active! it is alert! it is contemplative! it means caring about the show and wanting it to be the best that it can be! and if in doing those things you find that some things dont make sense or are lazily handled or hamfisted you say something about it! The trend of passive fandom is the exact reason why most entertainment sucks nowadays! it is the reason that i have spent my entire life as a niche audience member rather than in the majority. it is the reason that i have been forced to repeatedly watch the stories i love get homogenized and dumbed-down and cancelled! it is the reason that jersey shore and twilight and transformers and COD make millions, while Fringe gets cancelled and Nintendo gets away with releasing the same f*cking games over and over and Dragon Age gets turned from a complex RPG to a shallow action game! hell, JRPGs practically dont even f*cking exist any more!
              This is FRINGE people! not Jersey Shore! We are an intelligent, reasonable niche audience, not a bunch of chest-beating bro-douchbags! START ACTING YOUR PART! Back up! Look at the show! THINK! and stop defending mediocrity! if you do with this show, then you have no right to complain about any other!

              AND BEFORE YOU FLAME!

              im not saying you have to hate all the same things that i do about the show!

              HOWEVER !!!(and i will get flamed for this one)

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              • DeepRunner says

                Kate,

                I appreciate your intensity of feeling. As a rule, I don’t flame people for what they say or believe. And as I have stated before, I believe you bring a lot to the board. Each of us has the right to disagree with the other.

                As for Lincoln….I have often said that he is one of the good guys and a good add to the Fringe team. I think his character is poorly-developed and is hard to sympathize with, beyond the fact that he represents the loneliness and inadequacy we all have felt one time or another. I think the use of his character to rile up the shippers with a triangle was not the best, but once it was introduced, it was part of Fringe. And I accept that as part of the larger whole. Currently, he does not add a lot FOR ME, but he is part of Fringe.

                I will always defend *your right* to express yourself. Freedom of expression is what makes this board great.

                Cordially,

                The Deep Runner

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                • Darth Kate says

                  Not only is your response patronizing but it evades my point completely. And I’m glad, by the way, that you’re putting so much effort into trying to make yourself look reasonable. It only proves my point about how utterly indoctrinated you are. Ignorance is bliss, remember? Only one of us is blissful right now and it sure as hell isn’t me. Good day.

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                  • DeepRunner says

                    Well, OK then. I was not trying to be magnanimous or patronizing or condescending or anything else that so many people, me included, would find hideously offensive. I *was* trying to respond to frustration with kindness.

                    I will go dark for a while, but will be reading with interest what people have to say about one of the best shows ever. I will resurface at some point.

                    See y’all down the road a-ways. :)

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              • Red Balloon says

                At the beginning of this season, being a shipper (for Olivia and Walter to get to Peter) was the obvious thing to be, you know, when Peter was stuck in between the script and the TV screen. And when he materialized, I remember that he was answering Olivia the question about her dreams, and Lincoln interrupted…that was the first time I sensed that Lincoln was going to be used as a blocker device for things to return to what it used to be. But then, Lincoln turned out to be just average ok with more than one frustrating scenes with contrived characteristics, not only him, but Peter’s quest finding home was excruciating to the extent of changing what I felt was the most endearing relationships between the lead characters that I ever experienced (except of course of that of Mulder and Scully). And I was hoping the writers would give us some flirt between the 3 while advancing their knowledge of the Bid Bad. But I have to say, It has changed for me, I should’ve known that once Olivia & Peter got together in season 3, there wouldn’t be as much excellent plot theories for them (including Walter) as individuals. Definitively they have not the same outstanding characteristics that I fell in love with before. I find them being too sweet to each other, and that’s not very challenging to see.

                Now about the mythology, I can’t really judge that point because I’m not sure where they are going. All I can do is watch and wait, and that’s what I’m doing.

                Nevertheless, It’s still intriguing and interesting, but I’m a bit scared that when everything unfolds, I won’t be able to feel them as heroes. That’s my main concern, because lately they haven not showed us anything that indicates that they are DESPERATE!…as we are. The grazing day confirmed that for me.

                Altivia is my hope, and knowing that Olivia is asking for her state of mind also gives me hope that they will unite forces to accomplish the Heroine status. Walter last episode also got into the scientific game which I’ve been missing a lot!.

                But Kate, do you think any of the crew, writers, show runners of Fringe read this stuff?… I’m not sure how do you expect them to change strategy if the ratings speak for themselves. I agree that watchers should change their priorities in what they like about a show, but frankly here, where everyone is on board watching Fringe, is useless. I’m not in favor of encouraging everyone to feel as frustrated as I am beginning to feel because it sucks!. Maybe I’ll write to @JWFRINGE some tweets about it, but that’s all I can do to give them some feedback isn’t it?, even though I don’t think they’ll change anything about what’s disturbing me.

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                • Darth Kate says

                  i dont expect anyone to do anything. all i can do is yell and hope. plus it just makes me feel better to get this stuff out in writing. And as i’ve said, there’s nothing wrong with being a shipper. it just drives me insane when the writers make pandering to shippers the priority, as they have this season. straight romance is the easiest and laziest way to try and get people to care about a story and it is very easy to screw up.

                  As an unrelated side note, the reason i object so strongly to the lincoln hate is because it just comes across as so miniscule and the fact that people actually feel threatened by a plot thread that they know isn’t going to amount to anything is just silly. plus the idea that people hate him because he “gets too much characterization” blows my mind. i said on another thread that lincoln got more development in one episode than peter got in a season and a half. when people responded, they actually took it as a negative against lincoln rather than a failing by the writers to properly flesh out peter (as it undeniably WAS.) i dont get why people latch on to underdeveloped characters and then get mad when others get fleshed out. developing characters is never a bad thing. lincoln’s not “hogging” character time from peter. peter just doesn’t get any because he’s simply not very deep, and it was wrong of the writers to push him to the forefront in the first place. i think people need to move on from that. lincoln is here to stay and in three episodes he’s shown more depth than peter has in the whole show. i find that refreshing.

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              • Cortexiphan Kid says

                Kate, I have to agree with you (at least partialy). The show must be improving in every episode, and it’s up to us, fans, to let the writers know, what’s not-so-good in the series. And this does not mean, we should criticise Lincoln in almost every comment. Yes, I understand, you people think he sucks, that he is destroying the show, that he is the one, that should have died, and not Captain Lee. But since you are so concentrated on him, you don’t see the big picture, and you sometimes forget about other not-so-great things in the series; the P/O romance not being handled well, the ”love thing” (how is love the same as vibrating irridium beacon!?), Olivia’s new/old memories returning (why introduce Amber Olivia, if you’re going to ”kill’ her anyway?), and Walter’s lesser importance in the season (here I’m reffering to the first few episodes).

                We should be critical about the things we love, so that they can improve, and so that you can love them even more! Fringe is an avsome, mind-blowing series, why not help it become even more awsome and mind-blowing?

                Hold Fringe to a higher standard, because it’s capable of achieving it!

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    • Oliver says

      Yes. The show should have ended at the end of Season 3 so it would have saved us from having to watch a lot of really good episodes :-P

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      • Darth Kate says

        if any of us have learned anything from this lovely little community its that the concept of “good” is highly subjective.

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    • mesa says

      Agreed MikeMike. There have only been two episodes this season that have been gold Fringe status to me, The End of All Things and Friday’s The Consultant. The rest of the season should be as well (they are good at ending seasons.) There’s a part of me that hopes there is no season 5 just so they can end it in a great way, because I’m sure next season would have procedurals even though it would be a short 13 order.

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  16. Cortexiphan Kid says

    I know people socialize on Friday nights, but why don’t you socialize while watching Fringe?

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  17. DC says

    Get used to it, guys. And don’t cry if the season finale goes even lower numbers than that. Many viewers dvr it and watch it later, unfortunately they don’t count. By the way, as others said, current season ratings do not count for renewal, it’s all up to what kind of deal Warner has to offer to Fox.

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  18. Jason says

    A few things…..

    1. I used to work in broadcast media… And if you think the ratings system is maddening to FANS (which it is!), just imagine what it’s like for people who create the product… It’s absolutely ridiculous… Fans should not be punished because networks were too dumb to put their collective foot down when DVR tech came out and INSIST that commercials could not be skipped……….. AND, the methodology for the ratings systems for TV and radio (which is even worse) has little validity, as evidenced by the jumps we see from DVR, iTunes, et al…. Absolutely ridiculous…

    2. I do think we’re gonna get SOMETHING….. There’s money to be made here, and the disproportionate love for the show is fairly obvious at this point… That’s not gonna get COMPLETELY invalidated….

    3. I am beginning to believe the time-slot change really screwed us…. That and they couldn’t figure out how to create the kind of buzz they needed…….

    4. ………..because while I’ll go ahead and admit S4 has indeed lacked juice at many times (I’d say at least 65% of the time), I’ve been re-watching all the seasons for about a month now…… And I don’t care what anyone says, I think S3 was pulse-pounding the whole way through…. Even the MOTW would somehow fit snugly into the bigger mythology arc….

    Suuuuuuure, America loves its law enforcement procedurals, complete with their intrasquad personality conflicts and challenges to authority…. And yes, S1 had much more of that than S2, which had more than S3 etc etc… Midway through S2, probably beginning with “1985”, the seriliazed mythology component began to take the lead over the more traditional, procedural element……….. Which, yes, probably did massive damage to casual viewership…….

    But, and this is a big BUT….. The dimensions and intensity of the mythology, the implications and the stakes, were freakin’ cool enough that this show has a rabid cult and is winning TV Guide awards…. S3 was suspenseful all-around, on the interpersonal level, on the level of insane dramatic irony because there was so much deception, and on an existential level…….. That moment when Peter was about to step into the BBM; I can only think of a few other moments in ANY show or movie or book where I was breathless like that…..

    Now….. The problem is that the marketing dept. could not or would not figure out how to rebrand the show in a way that would’ve gotten people interested…. “Endless Impossibilities” is too marketing-ey… What they probably needed, and frankly what Fox just ain’t up to, was something viral and in-your-face… SOMETHING to raise curiosity… Because if they’d gotten enough people to just check it out, I think enough people would’ve stuck with it like we have, even with a somewhat disappointing S4 (like we have)…

    I don’t think this would’ve necessarily given us the kind of numbers that would’ve gotten us back to S1 levels….. But I really don’t think this show is a .9 show…. And REALITY, not Nielsen ratings, bears this out…. The Finder?? Yeah, that I could see…. But Fringe has created something quite unique………….

    2.

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  19. Robert Ariadne says

    I’m not worried anymore. Fox and Warner Bros know what the ratings are. Whether or not we get renewed depends on syndication, and nothing else.

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  20. Ian S. says

    This is so sad how the ratings for shows are done. I just wish all these network executives would take a look and realize that 1. Just because not a ton of people in the USA don’t watch it live doesn’t mean in Canada or elsewhere they watch it live where there are advertisements as well, and 2. Just because we do watch it live doesn’t mean we watch advertisements! On every other show I mute the ads and go do something else, the exception is Fringe where I tweet to the advertisers thanking them for supporting the show.

    It’s like TV is based off “imaginary money”, where they THINK that these advertisements actually make a huge difference when really they don’t! This isn’t how television should be paid for, maybe reality TV, but not serialized. Netflix is the future, and I know they probably won’t and can’t ever acquire Fringe, but one day all the best serialized TV will be on there or things similar.

    I think Fringe is the end of the era of serialized TV on network, at least until something about the Nielsen boxes are fixed. Look at the poor ratings all these new serialized shows get too, Fringe is pulling those numbers now while those shows are pulling them in their first season. I can’t see another serial drama on network TV lasting more than 4 seasons anymore, hopefully Fringe will be the last to hit 5 seasons.

    I just wish they would already say the damn news, do we get a season 5 or not!? It was supposed to be this week and now it’s Friday. JUST SAY IT FOX!

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  21. DeepRunner says

    Maybe it was the Lincoln drag. No…that would have and should have happened last week.

    Maybe it was too much shipper stuff. No, that isn’t it either.

    Maybe the see-saw ratings happen because one of the best sci-fi shows EV-UH is buried on a Friday night with hideous lead-ins. With Fringe on the bubble for Season 5, and with Wyman saying they expected a decision soon, the antiquated ratings model from the 1940’s and 1950’s (and really, the 1930’s going back to Radio’s Golden Days) needs to be put to rest. I would say this about any show that is well done but is niche in its format.

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    • Fran says

      Maybe his mother left the house to buy his favorite cereal and he is trying to find some attention, right big baby? Mommy left you alone? Don’t cry, she’ll be back soon.

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  22. Ian S. says

    You know why Hal is bad?

    Because he thinks he’s a smartass but is really now the most hated person on this website.

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    • Ian S. says

      And when it gets renewed I’m going to laugh at Hal.

      Maniacally.

      Hal, you destroyed my universe. Now I’m going to destroy yours.

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  23. hui says

    I’m not sure if this is relevant because I don’t know how the broadcast companies work. I live in Hong Kong and the TV network here will begin to show Fringe on 18th April, and the advertisement claims that this is the 4th season of Fringe instead of the final season (if a cancelled show is broadcast, the ads will say it’s the final season). Could this means the decision has already been made long ago ?

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    • Darth Kate says

      i doubt it, bud. i dont see any reason for them to keep us in suspense like this if that were true.

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      • I NEED my Fringe fix! says

        Hey I know this is off topic but are you by any chance active on WiC page? I could swear I saw your nick there a couple of times and it caught my eye here cause it’s kinda cool :)

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  24. Ayutateishi says

    The ratings are really bad. 2.8M viewers doesnt seem to be enough reason for fox to continue with the show. That is so sad.

    Fringe is really a great show with lots to offer but I am thinking that the large arc or mythology of the story makes it harder to pull in more viewers. I mean if I stumble onto Fringe one day now in Season 4, I may not get hooked because I can’t really follow the story. I will need to watch the seasons back before I can be on the same page. The 3M or so are pretty loyal but we do need more viewers.

    We’ll be lucky if we get a season 5. Still crossing my fingers.

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  25. Red Balloon says

    They should’ve promoted Walter’s nightgown more…just saying.

    I’ll just wait for the final DVR numbers and I hope there are still over 5 million watching. Although I know total viewers doesn’t count, and at this point maybe not even the key demo. But it’s nice to know that Fringe’s fan base has been steady for a long time now within the Nielsen families, not to mention the whole fandom.

    Season 5 – Please be there this fall

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  26. Cortexiphan Kid says

    You know hal, you are like that person I know, that hates Fringe, because she thinks actors in Fringe look ugly.

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  27. JM says

    The way I understand it now, having just watched another interview with joshua jackson from zap2it that the season 4 finale is essentially a series finale either way, and the alternative ending that the writers have written contains something that could be a cliffhanger to introduce the fifth season (basically to have a need for the fifth season).

    So basically if fringe is renewed the writers will take it, but they have ended the series at season 4, so its ok if its cancelled, and as long as i can remmeber jackson has been saying they need a satisfying ending for all fans, and he was ok with the ending so… im not really that worried anymore, but of course want the show to continue.

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    • Surun Tunne says

      true but this also makes me a little bit worried…
      I hope FOX doesn’t think: season 4 is actually a series finale, the fans will be satisfied so we don’t have to give them a fifth season…

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      • JM says

        Yeah but remember theres been loads of positive signs lately from the producers etc. and fan polls. The ratings have just let us down a bit

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        • JM says

          Having thought about it some more i DO really care if it gets cancelled, i dont want a show that i really like to get cancelled on a season that i believe has been below par for pretty much all of it, this season wasnt up to standards and i dont want fringe to go out as this season as its swan song

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          • Surun Tunne says

            I know that a lot of people think season 4 isn’t as good as the previous seasons but I just cant understand that…
            in my opinion fringe got better every season and I really hope that the fifth season will be the mind blowing end to a genius series.

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            • JM says

              I have to disagree, even though i will definately buy the season 4 dvd set, i probably will start from about 4.08 and never watch the first 7 episodes again

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              • Surun Tunne says

                I think the episodes 402 one night in october was great, the two sides working together, double dunhamnator action and the case was also very good I think.

                404 subject 9 was also great, I really enjoyed the walter/olivia scenes and even though it wasn’t a big surprise that the case of the week wasn’t actually a case of the week, it was still such a great moment when peter reappeared at reiden lake!

                406 was a very enjoyable case of the week with a lot of similarities to white tulip.

                I do agree that 407 wasn’t an amazing episode, i still liked that the case of eugene had a lot of similarities to the whole peter situation.

                and the rest of the season was also great with some of my all time favourite episodes such as enemy of my enemy, the end of all things, a short story about love ( yes, damnit I’m a Polivia shipper and I’m proud of it!!! :-) ) and I am sure the 4 episodes left this season will be amazing!!

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                • JM says

                  Im not saying their all bad episodes i just cant stand the fact its a whole new fringe team in those episodes, and tbh i know im a “hater” or whatever but i cannot stand the emphasis on lincoln and just cant bring myself to watch them again, the episode you mentioned are very good (4.02 etc.) wallflower was the worst fringe episode i have ever seen and one of the worst television episodes complete with the classic “hang on a second ill go of by myself this way and accidentally come across the killer on my own and need help but have convenientally split myself up from the people that can save me” moment

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                • Surun Tunne says

                  and I really liked that we got to see a lot of different character releationships this season because of the rewritten timeline!

                  and I am also a huge DRJ fan which is also a giant plus point for season 4

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                  • Surun Tunne says

                    well, the one thing that I also don’t like about season 4 is lincoln…I mean, I never really hated him, I just didn’t care for him.

                    I like him better now but I’m still very happy that he went over there :-)

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                  • JM says

                    For me up till now and im sure it will explained at the end of the season (well i hope so) DRJ is just there, his motivation has not been explained (apart from we now know he wants to destroy both universes…right?) i think his and meanas relationship could have been explored more, the lack of screentime for broyles, nina and astrid has also done my head in.

                    And one of the major factors is olivia dunham (formerly my favourite sci fi character)’s descent into being a bad character, especially in the first 7 episodes, well basically till she turned into blueolivia, shes really not that great anymore and i want her to be the dunhamnator again.

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                    • Surun Tunne says

                      it’s true that we still don’t really know what Jones is actually up to but jared harris is such an amazing actor and he shines in every scene he’s in.
                      and I am sure that we will see what he is up to and that we get some more DRJ/Meana scenes…

                      I also agree that olivia isn’t as great as in the previous seasons anymore I would also really like to see her kicking some ass again!

                      but on the other hand, faulivia was/is so great this season!

                      broyles and astrid also had they chances to shine, astrid in making angels and broyles in the last episode

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                    • JM says

                      Hmm for some reason i cant reply to your post below, so i have to reply to my own.

                      Yes they did have their chance to shine, but only one, they werent even in it, broyles was completely out of atleast 3 episodes and i remember 4.05 vividly where astrid walked walter to the interrogation room where peter was and that was it, and that basically summed up her role in the first part of the season, and her astrid “centric” episode was a COTW with more astrid than usual.

                      Yes fauxlivia has been much better this season minus 4.11 and 4.02 where she went way OTT sassy. I now like her more than ourolivia

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                    • JM says

                      When i realised i really didnt like olivia that much anymore was during 4.10 when she was talking down the bomber and she said to a man with a bomb strapped to his chest as a back up to the huge bomb in the underground parking lot, “i dont think you want to die today and neither do i” she dosent have many good lines anymore either

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                    • Surun Tunne says

                      I have the same “reply” issue!

                      “i remember 4.05 vividly where astrid walked walter to the interrogation room where peter was and that was it”

                      yes, I also remember that, I know that when the episode was over I thought: hey, was astrid even in this episode??

                      well, yeah I cannot disagree with what you said about olivia.

                      but what I also really enjoyed about this season is the whole theme of finding home, respectively, what is home?

                      and it was also great that we got to see a lot more of the obervers this season!

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                    • JM says

                      I like the finding home theory in concept but i dont think it needed 15 episodes, did you?

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                    • Surun Tunne says

                      well, I think they also could have handled it in 10 episodes or so but it really didn’t bother me that it took 15.
                      it’s not like all of those episodes just focused on that.

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                    • Lincless says

                      I agree so much about Olivia.
                      I’ve recently rewatched a few episodes from Season 1 and Olivia was so much more interessting, because she was much more active and emotional etc.
                      I feel both, Peter an Oliva, have suffered from their romantic relationship since mid Season 3.

                      AltLivia reminds me a lot of former prime Olivia.

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                    • JM says

                      I think its fair to say that every single character on the show has suffered from the reboot, apart from maybe over heres lincoln as he was only in 1 episode prior to it , astrid as she finally got some development and Nina for the same reason as astrid

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  28. David says

    When you only have a core viewing audience of around 3 million, you doesn’t take much of a drop to give the impression that a show is on the slide and should be cancelled. And I believe this is the problem that Fringe has.
    Now don’t get me wrong I am a BIG FAN and would love to see it renewed even if only for a partial 5th season ( I’m looking at you FOX AND WB) and its hard i know because Friday is such a hard night to get viewership to remain steady or up due to it being the start of the weekend.
    Also the monitoring System that you Americans use (I’m an Australian) really needs to be updated to include oversees online monitoring to better reflect a shows performance. As said before I love fringe, but being from Australia. theres nothing I can do to help cast my vote to help save the show and this is where I think it is unfair. I’m pretty sure that there are many international viewers who feel the same way.
    So my American Fringe Friends and Fans, its unfortunately up to you, until the System is changed in future, Fringes fate rest in your hands
    I know International Viewers like myself will try to support you by writing to various Forums and sites like this one, but apart from that I’m afraid that is all we can do. Please Fox and WB when making your decision on our shows fate, please think outside the box and not only consider all those who watch fringe within the United States, but also those International Viewers who watch the show outside its borders around the world.

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    • Surun Tunne says

      I’m from Austria so unfortunatley I also can’t contribute to the ratings but I try to help fringe as much as I can by buying all the seasons on blu-ray, the soundtrack cd’s, the comics and other merchandise!

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