FRINGE: 4.16 Nothing As It Seems

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The Fringe team faces a case that appears familiar to Peter. Strangely, it takes place in this world in the all-new “Nothing As It Seems” episode of FRINGE airing Friday, March 30 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR 4.16) (TV-14 D, L, V).

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    • Sanj says

      There was plenty of plot, especially if you were a fan of Season 1 (which I am). Sheesh, did you even watch it?

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      • Dylan says

        “There was plenty of plot, especially if you were a fan of Season 1 (which I am)”

        That’s precisely the ‘plot’ problem being highlighted; this episode was all about season 1 callbacks, and miniscule development on the season 4 plot-line involving Jones and company.

        It was as much focused on the main plot as season 1′s ‘The Equation’, where the cliffhanger was the only development and it was just as obscure as last night’s.

        It would be better given the state the show is in, regarding its future, that they concentrate on mythology or key plot episodes rather than stand-alones or borderline myth-alones

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        • Ian S. says

          This is a mythalone, yes, definitely not a standalone. I know the boat at the end isn’t confirmed to be Jones’, but let’s face it, the producers didn’t spend a bunch of money on a CGI boat to have it not be a cliffhanger about the overall story. So, if it is Jones’ boat (which it most definitely is), then every monster we saw on that ship has a connection to him, which means each episode featuring those monsters was just added a new dimension. Now a bunch of standalone episodes from the past are much more important, we have tons more information on Jones’ endgame, and the character development was fantastic.

          Let’s not forget here, that this is technically still a show about a woman who works for a special unit in the FBI, and therefore has cases to solve. Remember back to season 1 and 2, before a lot of the parallel universe and any of the machine was back, the team was solving cases, with mythology scattered here and there. This show is still about that, and until Broyles ever made a full fledge Fringe team and let Peter, Olivia, and Walter wander around town looking for random pieces of mythology, this show will still be about how Olivia solves cases with her team, that are connected to a larger plot.

          I for one do think that our side should get a full fledged Fringe team now, and I could see this development happening for Season 5 (if we get one) so our core characters can focus more on themselves instead of some of the less important cases. But, until then, it’s still a show about those cases and about the lives of Peter, Olivia, and Walter…oh, and we can’t forget Astrid :)

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    • Dylan says

      Agreed.

      They at least made some mention of Jones, but this close to the end of the season, it would be nice if he could make an appearance.

      I predict that they took too long and Mad Men reclaimed him.

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    • M says

      VERY disappointed that Jones’ endgame seemingly has nothing to do with the end of the universe. That super mutant race is going to do him a lot of good when the universe implodes on itself.

      On a positive note, I loved all the Season 1 callbacks.

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      • RKron says

        Why would DRJ want to end the universe? He’s not an End-of-Dayer. I would think he’s more of the kind that wants to live forever than destroy everything.

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        • M says

          Yeah, I agree. I meant I was hoping his endgame would be related to ‘saving’ the universes in some twisted way. Maybe it is. It just didn’t look that way tonight.

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          • M says

            I hope the writers prove me wrong somehow. This just gets filed under my season-long annoyance that the instability of the multi-verse isn’t really important anymore. That always seemed much more dangerous than Jones.

            Aside from that development, I felt it was a fantastic episode.

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            • willg says

              I believe the bridge essentially stopped the degradation of the universes just by the fact of its existence. It was mentioned earlier this season I believe.

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              • Dylan says

                Still, it would be nice if they remembered that they had all been infiltrated by Shapeshifters and both sides were actively working together to discover who and why.

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      • matt says

        well they also implied that this mutant creature thing was not his end game and then at the end showed that all the crazy hybrid creatures and likely all of the cases of the week that were not random circumstance were all his doing and, at least this is what I got out of it, that this evolution by design fascination is why he is so interested in Olivia and cortexiphan/cortexiphan kids, who’s powers resemble those of the observers but at a lower level, all of which leads me to believe that he might ultimately be responsible for the Observers (as September said they are one of humanities possible futures) via an evolution of cortexiphan subjects, or their kids aka P/O’s future child.

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      • Darth Kate says

        how DARE you use the word “dissapointed” in regards to the show! it is perfection! SHAME! SHAME!

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  1. Sanj says

    Ignoring the Sith Witch, this was a really great episode. I sat here with the wife saying “This is a replay of season 1″ until they opened the door to the bathroom on the plane. Just awesome…new mythology. And remember the Season 1 episode this was drawn from…September was on that plane. I didn’t see him in this episode.

    Although I did realize one thing that makes me sad…this season has not had enough Lance Reddick. More Broyles, please.

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  2. Polivia says

    I have a theory!
    LINCOLN IS BLUEOlivia!!!! He took over the episode! He is our new hero! OUR Olivia!! He is a good man, he fights the bad guys!!! and… he lost a partner and now he likes Peter!!!
    I love Lincoln. He is not annoying. He is a hero.

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    • Ben says

      I enjoyed him a great deal in this episode. Of course I also enjoyed Walter messing with him, but that’s the appeal of Walter.

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      • Rae says

        Gotta admit, I enjoyed him more in this episode then in recent ones. I liked him best in the first episode, and even in Wallflower, he was okay because we were getting to know him. I suppose my annoyance of late, stems from his lack of character progression. Sometimes I just feel like he isn’t going anywhere. By this time in the first season, we realized, despite the past, how much Walter smean to Peter. He even went to Liv’s door to tell her so.

        Idk, I guess I just feel like his developing feeling’s for the Dunhamator wasn’t enough progression for me to understand why he is the way he is. If this gets explained to me, I honestly think I’d appreciate him a bit more.

        But Alt-Linc is the Shiz. I’d like to see him and Peter knock a few back, shoot some hoops, chat about their Liv’s…;)

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          • lost_stef says

            i cant agree, he still annoy’s me! for some reason i cant warm up to his character. sorry all u linc lovers lol

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        • scully8 says

          I wish I could say the same about Lincoln. I do agree that this is probably his best outing to date, but he was featured way too much which bothered me. I will rewatch to try and get past it.

          I will say that he (Lincoln) did a good job of taking control of the investigation. However, if this is going to be the Lincoln show, damn it’s going to be hard to watch — I will watch of course.

          I promise I’m not a J Jackson fanatic, but this episode seems to have returned Peter back to just a side-kick . . . I can’t quite explain it.

          I loved, loved, loved Walter in this episode!

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          • Lincless says

            I still can’t stand Lincoln to be honest.

            I mean give my ONE reason why newcomer Lincoln was suddenly leading the investigation and instead of an expercienced Fringe division veteran like Astrid or Fringe Boss Broyles?
            Ridiculous, but Lincoln joined Fringe Division by STALKING, so it fits his characterization.
            And I can’t help but think Seth Gabel’s acting is lacking. When I see Lincoln I just think:” There is an actor trying to make a useless character work, but he doesn’t manage it.” Sorry.

            Alright. Apart from that I liked the episode. First 10 minutes were great and Olivia was great in the first scene!

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            • JM says

              You think him being put lead is bad!? He had a place on the table that decided the fate of both universes in 4.09!!!!!!

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                  • Sid03 says

                    Maybe TPTB are trying to save money and so use Seth more…how else are they going to pay for the CGI Boat? seriously tho, I’m with all those that can’t stand Lincoln. Enough already…let’s get rid of him.

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            • willg says

              I get what you guys are saying. I am not the biggest Lincoln fan but I feel like I have to defend him a bit here. I don’t think Astrid really could take over because she is not really a field agent. She went out on crime scenes to be Walter’s eyes and ears, and to help with analyzing the scene and the victims. Broyles, the head honcho is not going to take point on the case. Honestly they would not have brought him on if they did not think he could handle himself. And despite what anyone thinks of him he was a pretty good asset in the beginning of the season solving cases. Having said that he was better in this episode but he still kind of gets on my nerves. I still look forward to next weeks episode. I don’t think it is going to be as bad as everyone thinks. ;)

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            • Drenami says

              I am more wondering why a man that appeared out of nowhere 3? months ago is suddenly allowed to carry a gun and investigate a case before the formerly well trusted agent whom he seems to be affecting/effecting (either works here, I think) since his unexplained materialization.

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  3. Maris says

    I really like this episode, the callback of the season 1 was great! And I’m very curious to know what is going to happen now. Seems that the person how owned the ship, has some intresting species, lake the slug, all the season 1! I’m really looking for to see what they going to do with that! And of course to know what is the golden goal of DRJ, that is really taking my sleep!
    Love Walter scenes with the gifts, like a child on Christimas!
    And for the frist time, Lincoln didn’t bothered that much, I even start to like him!
    Seems Olivia and Peter going to have a difficul path full of stones in the future! Hope that they can survive!!!
    Really like this episode!!!! Fringe is Fringe after all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  4. Rae says

    This was such a great episode. I loved it. I loved seeing our Fringe Division work together, and not to mention the little ‘family unit’ at the end, with the big three and Astrid gathered in Wallie’s bedroom. Thought that was a really cool callback.

    And I’m still saying that Lincoln has more chemistry with Peter than any other member of the Scooby Gang. Oh, wait…no, that was the bacon. I was thoroughly convinced of his chemistry with those pork strips…

    Honestly, I didn’t expect the ending of this episode. Pretty sure I had a ‘WTF?’ moment there at the end, till I realized that DRJ is creating his own race of mutants. Kay, gotta admit, that’s very, very twisted and cool. It draws us back to the earlier seasons, and all the mutants living in that timeline. Like before, DRJ’s ‘follower’s’ believe they’re re-inventing themselves for the greater good of an evolved species. And of course, the fact that they call him ‘da-da’ in the end, must sound pleasant to Papa Jone’s ears. Can’t wait to see how all this plays out.

    An appreciatory aspect, IMO, was Walter’s view on the three young-ens as they were postulating together at the computer desk. It was nice to see him so grateful for the family unit we grew to love in the earlier seasons. We were due for a Peter/Astrid/Olivia moment, that wasn’t lined in awkwardness, tension, or guts from a cadaver.

    Like I’ve said before, I’m just trying to get use to Lincoln being part of this ‘family’ but even as Walter included him, I felt a little strained to believe it. As an audience member, I didn’t feel it oh so much….actually, I was kinda hoping the poor guy would transform….Walter would heal him, of course, but I just wanted to see it happen. So sue me.

    The Harvard lab scenes were my favorite this episode. There were so many giddy moments packed in those scenes, that I felt it bursting with season one and two callbacks. Not to mention the ‘hump’ magazine aspect. I really don’t even have to comment how ridiculously Walter it is, that not only would he have gotten Peter one, but that he would have…found the articles interesting whilst he took care of business. Seems to be a lot of ‘peeing’ going on lately…;)

    Last couple episodes, we saw Olivia’s acceptance of Peter play out, so it was just nice to see that Walter, too, though he’s not been bombarded with memories, is extraordinarily open to the idea of his son, and ergo, embraces him as a version of such. And obviously, Peter’s pro Walter nowadays, especially since, for the young Bishop, this *is* his Daddy-o. It felt, as it had in earlier seasons, minus the obstacles they’d dealt with, i.e Peter’s acceptance of Walter in his life, Walter’s hidden secret of the truth of his son, and then Peter’s dealing with those consequences. It’s as if, the slate is wiped clean here, and all that’s remained is the love between a father and son. It’s nice to see them building on their mere connection, and not trying to figure out how to re-build their relationship in the aftermath of repercussion. I love this new side of the triangle.

    The tie comment was a classic Walter moment, and I have to add, that it was so refreshing to see Lance so much in this episode. Broyles, I missed you, buddy. And you love Liv as much as we do! You know what, you’re my favorite Broyles. Regardless of whether or not the other one wears tighter T-shirts….;)

    Ending note, this episode had everything I could have hoped for and more. And I gotta say, as a passive shipper, I enjoyed last weeks episode, but the little moments between the two, the fly-by phrases, and insinuative dialogue in this one were all that was needed. As much as I love the idea, it took an open-sided backseat in this episode, but still had its foot in the aisle. So ergo, we could still appreciate it’s presence, while focusing on the case at hand.

    All together, I gave this episode high rank. The family (and Lincoln….) was back together, and Broyles tied the nice silky red bow on top. That’s a pretty awesome present if I say so myself. :)

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      • lost_stef says

        yeah i dont see Lincoln as being part of the family!! go and find ur own family LINCOLN. he could have started a new life as a porkey pine and found a porky pine who will love him back!

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  5. willg says

    Was an outstanding episode. Perfect pacing, great relationship interaction and great season callbacks. I actually like Lincoln in this episode. I felt bad for him late in the episode. He kept getting his a** kicked by multiple human porcupines….oh yeah and getting infected as well. Peter and Olivia were great as well. I was wondering how they were going to play the romance now and it was not over the top-just perfect. Loved how Walter kept distracting Lincoln so that Peter and Olivia could be off by themselves (at least thats what I think he was doing). Loved Walter’s “perfect” comment as well. Really loved this episode. I just hope that the ratings get back to where we’ve been (yes pun intended).

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  6. Rae says

    Forgot to say, that I’m a HUGE member of the ‘give Peter a gun’ faction. So I was squealing when he *ahem* saved Lincoln’s life…again, this season, after he’d pulled out a Piece. Now, if we can only get you an official FBI badge…

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    • Maris says

      I was glad that Peter finally has a gun!! Always pass to my mind that he comes in the places without protection, he really deserved a gun!!!!

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        • Maris says

          True, he passed 3 years without a gun!! But, I’m happy that he has one now!!! Everybody in that show needs a gun, well … except Walter … it’s better for him a pepper spray!!!!!!!!!!!!! \o/
          Love Fringe so much!!!!!!!! *-*

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    • Drenami says

      please see my comment above for my thoughts on Peter having a weapon as things stand. I’m not saying I wasn’t a fan of the idea in, say, TDWD. ;o)

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  7. M says

    This is all building up to Jones’ ultimate goal of building the world’s coolest zoo, which I am now referring to as ZooFT

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    • Red Balloon says

      Noah’s Arc…and it seems that only the prettiest will be included…

      No wonder he wants Olivia in it…but why only her?…so far he hasn’t been interested in Peter, so I’m not sure if he wants her abilities or her DNA or is she related to him?

      I’m liking this concept….it fits with “the new world” idea (flee to Mars or to the moon).

      Next stop: the amber victims? I can only hope…

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  8. Ben says

    This episode also did a great job of walking the line between funny/goofy and scary. I loved the way the teaser cut off just as porcupine Bowman was breaking out, as if the camera got destroyed. Lot of unexpected turns in this one. That plus Markham, and we’ve got all the fringe ingredients.

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    • Red Balloon says

      And then there’s those little details: In the plane, when Bowman’s nose bleeds, they focused on the 3 consistent drops falling in the same place transforming into one big. The first time, it was just a regular nose bleed, and they changed his notes (then: it is imperative to avoid capture, understood seems dangerous vs now: same way you start, there’s no turning back too good to be true).

      Plus, they saved a few bucks with those 5 minutes footage ;)

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  9. Robert Ariadne says

    Okay, definitely better than last week. Jeff Pinkner is clearly the superior writer of the team; watch out for J.H. Wyman.

    LOVED that Walter got a significantly larger part in the proceedings; he has been sorely missed. It was touching that he collected birthday presents as a way to grieve for Peter. The magazine was funny, but was he doing something naughty with it in the bathroom? ;) I want one of those spinning things he was holding at the end, and a bacon-and-peanut-butter sandwich. And was it just me, or did John Noble seem ill? Also, I hate Astrid’s new hairstyle.

    The case was interesting for a change, harking back to vintage season one. At first it was a bit unnerving to see the season one footage, but it made more sense after the plane landed. Having the victim be part of some apotheosis cult was a shock, given that in the original timeline he was an undercover cop working with John Scott. More thoughts on that lower.

    (Warning Lincoln lovers: the following contains much hatred)
    Oh my God, what is wrong with Lincoln? How does he expect to get Olivia by ratting her out to Broyles? He desperately needs to grow a pair. He is so useless and unlikable as a character, it’s unbelievable. Fringe writers (if you’re reading this): please, PLEASE kill off Lincoln. You could’ve killed him tonight (am I the only one who was rooting for the porcupine to eat him?). And it seems next week is the Lincoln special. Whoop-de-do.
    (end Lincoln hate)

    I think I’m onto something about this version of ZFT: that it’s seeking to become godlike beings by destroying the universes. It certainly seemed that way from this episode. I think the Jones rabbit-hole goes much, much deeper than we previously were led to believe. Fortunately, there are two works by Stephen King that I think can act as our White Rabbit: The Mist and The Dark Tower.

    In The Dark Tower, a creature called the Crimson King attempts to become a god by destroying the embodiment of God that holds reality together. His main accomplice is another creature known by many names (primarily by the initials R.F.), but generally called Flagg; who actually worked against CK for his own ends. I’ve tried to work out whether Jones is CK or Flagg, I think he’s just Flagg. I can’t put my finger on it, but I’m thinking William Bell might be CK. There are a lot of things not right with this Jones, and I think Bell is a factor.

    Another thing about TDK, in the third book (The Waste Lands) the main character (Roland) undergoes a mental breakdown because his mind remembers two completely different versions of another character (a boy named Jake) who was killed off: one where the character existed and another where he didn’t. But Roland time-travels to the place where Jake was killed and prevents his death from happening. Very similar to the erasure and reappearance of Peter.

    The members of the cult (which I will call ZFT for clarity) converting themselves into flying porcupines (and by the looks of the boat at the end, other creatures) greatly reminded me of the movie adaptation of The Mist. In the movie (which I HIGHLY recommend), scientists attempt to open a porthole to parallel universes, but end up ripping open a hole to a dimension where absolutely grotesque creatures and incredibly thick mist emerge to cover the entire planet. Giant spiders, wasps the size of Great Danes, and a six legged creature that is indescribably huge are just some of them. Is this the world Jones wants to rule? A world where ZFT is a bunch of monsters and Jones is god?

    Sorry about the length of this post (longest I’ve ever written), but there’s a lot I wanted to say. I loved this episode (needs another viewing) WAY better than last week’s turd, and I’m once again hopeful for the future of Fringe.

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    • shidey17 says

      Thank you! I have been thinking about Fringe and TDT series…..especially in terms of the multiverse….when Jake tells Roland….”go then…there are other worlds than these” or something to that effect…it made me think of Peter and the salvation of the universes…just as Jake saved Roland’s life by falling in The Gunslinger….Peter sacrificed himself to save the universes…both were eventually brought back into existence and assimilated and both, I’m guessing with Peter, eventually, will serve an important part in saving the world once they’ve been brought back

      Also….I think you’ve hit on something with William Bell and TCK…if I remember correctly, TCK was locked in his tower and couldn’t get out…although he could still issue orders and wreak havoc….sort of like Bell was trapped on the other side from crossing over so many times!

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      • Robert Ariadne says

        Yeah. You’re right about CK; he was trapped on a balcony of the Tower and dispensed orders to his minions.
        I’ve been rereading The Waste Lands, and the parallels are even greater than I originally thought.
        (A little backstory first) In the first TDT book (The Gunslinger), Roland is in pursuit of “the man in black”, whose name is Walter (sound familiar?). During the pursuit, he meets a boy named Jake who claimed to have been killed by Walter. They catch up to Walter, but Roland sacrifices Jake to catch Walter (you’re right about the “other worlds” line).
        Fast forward to The Drawing of The Three. Roland needs three people to aid him on his quest. The third person is a serial killer named Jack Mort. He’s the one who grievously interfered in the life of Odetta Holmes (another one of the three), causing her to form an alternate personality and crippling her.
        BUT, it turns out: Walter DIDN’T kill Jake. Mort did. And by entering Mort’s head and causing him to step in front of a train, Jake lived. But if Jake lived, he never met Roland; and Roland never sacrificed him. Both remember meeting and not meeting.
        It seems Lost borrowed this concept for its final season, with the flash-sideways timeline.
        About Bell and CK: Bell may not be physically alive in this timeline, but that doesn’t mean he’s dead. He may be communicating from the other side, like in Brown Betty. My theory is, Jones is communicating with Bell to fuse the universes together. Bell may be trying to return to physical form and rule the new fused universe.
        Jones, given his unpleasant history with Bell, is actively plotting to betray Bell. There might be some important thing Jones needs from Bell (maybe whatever reassembled him on a molecular level), that when he gets it, he’ll throw Bell under the bus.

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  10. JM says

    Yay fringe is back properly!
    I for one appreciated that, the PO stuff was only insinuated and was left in the background, that was what i was hoping for and its what i got.

    Lincoln was more likable in this one, but his stuttering speech and odd hand gestures are still ******* annoying, i also dont get how he got the lead on the case as hes still so junior, that being said his scenes were peter just showed that he actually does have chemistry with ONE character on the show, and there was a little bit with walter aswell, he is still only has a point when olivia is injured or suspended etc. though.

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    • Rae says

      YES!!! Someone who agrees with me about the Peter/Lincoln chemistry. Seriously, they would have an awesome bromance if Lee would just get over Bishop’s girlfriend.

      And little does he know, Peter’s been to Dawson’s Creek. He’s had his fair share of experience in terms of wooing woman, and I’m quite convinced, this relationship is the one that’s gonna stick. So, sorry Lincoln but Pa-ugh, Peter won that fight hand’s down.

      Next time, get there in time to yank a hot chick out of the Bra and Panties Tank. Works like a charm…;)

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  11. Alaina says

    Love Peter with a gun! Also, heeeey Lt. Gaida at the end with the world’s creepiest girlfriend. Where are my BSG fans?!

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  12. Rae says

    Watching it a second time, I noticed a few other things.

    At the end, the ship with the mutated species could be compared, to sorts, to a Noah’s ark, of this world. It’s my opinion, Jones is using his ‘god’ complex to repopulate the earth with these genetically altered freight-fests. I believe, something like this was his main goal in seasons one and two, though his death brought an end to his means. I think, perhaps, he sees his shape-shifters as his ‘children’ and these bio-nightmares as his ‘disciples for a new race’. Interesting theory, when u think about it. And it’s almost Hebrew scripture-meets-x-files-meets-Fringe. Very coolish.

    Another thing I noticed, is that in loving this Peter, Walter, again, accepts a son that wasn’t his to begin with. Here, it’s a timeline that forced their separation, whereas before, it was an alternate universe. That Peter, the one from the OT was Walter’s because he came from the Redverse, now, he’s Walter’s hailed from a different timeline. So, as it sits now, this Peter is Walter’s through the same thing that entwined them in the first three seasons. That big ‘L’ word. Kinda a cool parallel, really.

    Also, again, I sided, emotionally, with Peter when he was in the car with Lincoln. Apart from picturing the Pecoln shippers swooning for separate reasons, I felt it was big-boy of Peter not to have said ‘I told you so’ to Lincoln, cause God knows, I wanted him to. Just cause…but you know, it was nice to see Agent Lee accepting that this Olivia is Peter’s, and to hear the comparison between his former partner’s relationship and now Polivia’s, made it realistic enough for me to his acceptance. And I did feel here, too, that Peter really has genuine respect for the less-suave Agent, despite the fact that he scratched on his nerves as much as ours. Especially in regards to thinking he’s in the right over anything Peter says. Peter’s right, man. Cause he’s Petah-F’ing Bishop, and he knows his Sh*)%*. ;)

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    • Dylan says

      I wouldn’t mind Jones’ version of the Great Flood and safeguarding his own Noah’s Ark whilst wiping out the rest of the world.

      Would satisfy my current bloodlust…

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  13. number six says

    Markham! YAY! Pity that he didn’t remember Peter, their funny banter was what made their previous meetings special. Still the ladies man, though.

    No matter how hard they try, Lincoln doesn’t fit. I agree that he has some good chemistry with Peter, but they squandered it using him as a love interest for Olivia, which turned out to be a fake-out. They also hinted at a bromanship between Peter and Lincoln, but it was also a fake-out. Too much time wasted on him this episode and it looks like the next one will be Lincoln-centric again. Blech!

    I don’t understand why the flying porcupine reacted so strongly to the light. Didn’t the one from the plane attack in a very well lit room? I get that he would be momentarily startled, but he reacted as if he had been pepper-sprayed. I guess they had to justify Broyles’s speech to Olivia at the end somehow and that’s how they had her contribute to the case. Speaking of which…

    Broyles’s 40-60% speech… Has he bothered to check how incompetent Olivia was during the first half of this season? He should be counting his blessings that he’s getting blue Olivia instead.

    I found Walter way OTT, it’s like they tried to cram half a season’s worth of gags in one episode.

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      • number six says

        Actually no, although, admittedly, the first part of the season felt somewhat fanfiction-y. I do remember she let others do most of the work, Lincoln in particular, and her not being particularly efficient, her lowest point being getting trapped in a hole, after she wandered off without backup and being saved by the bad guy. Thankfully, she started getting some of her groove back in episode 10. This is one of those occasion, where they didn’t do the “show and don’t tell”. If amber Olivia was his best agent, I shudder to think, what the rest of the agents under his command are like.

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        • Roneo says

          “He should be counting his blessings that he’s getting blue Olivia instead.”

          That was what I thought at listening Broyles’ words. He may think he has 60% of his former agent (that I wouldn’t say to be incompetent, but not as outstanding as Blue!Olivia), but what he has is 100% Dunhamnator. Even without 40% of “facts” (not capacities).

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    • scully8 says

      Oh man, Six, I’m so glad someone noticed that the current timeline Olivia wasn’t that great an investigator at the beginning of this season — drove me crazy. Thank goodness blueLive is the dominant one.

      On the Lincoln front, I can’t agree with you more. Loved the episode!

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  14. Ian S. says

    This was a fantastic episode! Amazing call back to season 1, it was executed perfectly from start to finish. I found the case of the week and the way the investigated much more exciting than usual and full of surprises. It had me guessing the whole time, and I really thought Linc would transform :) I also found the ending really intriguing, and am glad to know more about Jones’ endgame.

    I love how all the old relationships are reasserting themselves now, and it was set up in the perfect way to have Lincoln want to travel to the other universe in the next episode to escape them all. I’m loving this season and this new timeline, I do still love the old timeline, but amber has grown on me, and I wish it could be that we could have our blue memories and amber memories together. Oh well.

    Also, just a theory, what if in the season finale Jones actually wins? He prevails in his master plan, but something unexpected stops him, the blue timeline bleeds through and he is killed (because he was dead before). Just a thought ;)

    9/10

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  15. david says

    Did anyone notice that at Walter’s bedroom, how Peter hid the magnetic toy he was playing with, just when Broyles arrived? That was funny!

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    • JM says

      LOL yes i did! he was also playing with it for quite a while before broyles got there, i also liked his “wow! love these things”

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  16. David says

    Once again Fringe has delivered a terrific though provocting episode, full of intrigue and questions, certainly keeps the brain functioning.
    What got my attention though, was what Nina said to Olivia when both she and peter confronted her about the case .
    When seeing Oliva was on the case, she utters the phrase “That all the versions of Oliva were stubborn” what does she mean.
    Just how much does Nina know about what is going on?

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    • Red Balloon says

      I think Nina holds a great deal of knowledge from every possible future theory. She has the technology to know more about future and past events (Observers, ZFT, William Bell, Robert Bishoff, The End of Dayers-Conrad, Sam Weiss, Cortexiphan, etc.), and I think Olivia’s mother-daughter connection in this time-line is the key to what she is willing to do to save that bond. I think she is on our team’s side, only she’s not sharing information, like she did with Sam Weiss.

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  17. Red Balloon says

    Broyles always know the right thing to say to his agents…and he’s 100% right about Olivia.
    She will become a legend and eat FBI’s protocols like a bacon and peanut butter sandwich (a la Lincoln)….haha :)

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  18. david says

    Based on the way that Olivia was looking at Peter in every scene in this episode it seems that she somehow regrets choosing Peter and let her new timeline memories slip away! Maybe she is not that much in love after all :-)

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    • CJ says

      I didn’t get that at all. In fact, it looked to me that she liked being with Peter both personally and professionally (ie when they were going to meet with Markham and when she met Peter at the suspect’s house). I think at this point Olivia has accepted the loss of her Amber!memories as a necessary evil. She only seems to get those looks of self doubt or perhaps reluctance when people like Nina/Lincoln give her sad puppy dog faces and confront her about those memories she’s losing. YMMV

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    • mlj102 says

      I’m reading your comment and trying to figure out if you’re being sarcastic, if you’re trying to get a reaction out of people, if you’re serious, or what. Care to clarify?

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      • david says

        That was a joke! I actually think their exchanges in this episode was good and realistic (specially I love the game they played on Markham) in contrast to the last episode that were too much soapy for my taste. Well I think last episode was somehow a special episode from JHW for die-hard P/O shippers!

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        • david says

          Well I re-watched the episode and got the feeling that Olivia was a little distant toward Peter! It seems that there are a lot of inconsistencies in the writing and direction of this show!

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  19. M says

    I just figured out Jones’ plan. In fact, it’s ridiculously obvious now. I’m really really confident this is correct. There was a huge clue in Welcome to Westfield. Don’t read on if you want to be surprised.

    Jones is planning to merge the two universes to save them. As a result, all life of earth will be obliterated, except for the “eye of the storm”, where Jones will be keeping his ‘arc’ of genetically superior species. Kudos to the writers and shame on me for doubting them.

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    • Liz says

      This actually make sense. Jones is trying to make a better world, and guess who’ll be human Adam and Eve? (P/O) :D yeah, in my head is all perfectly clear now. And Observer-world is product of his agenda. We bust it writers, or did we? :)
      Btw okay episode. LOVED Walter in any scene!
      Mini observation: I noticed when Peter or Olivia or any, enter in own apartment/house, they never take coat. I mean, my first reaction when entering my house is to take coat an put it on hanger. It’s natural reaction, but apparently not in Fringe Universe…sorry, just nitpick.

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      • Alaina says

        This is Jones we are talking about, if anyone is going to be the Adam in this situation, I am sure Jones thinks it is going to be himself.

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        • matt says

          what;s Gaeta in this context?

          also, I was thinking the same hting, I dunna wanna repost my comment but if you scroll up a tad before I read these about Jones I posted a similar vision of the fringe future involving a jones and observers theory

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      • shidey17 says

        Just out of curiousity….

        You all are mentioning Gaeta….I’ve never seen BSG, but is there something about her character on that show or that show in general that you all are thinking about relating to Fringe? …hence her showing up and maybe some sort of overlap or clue? Or are you all just happy to see her in another form?

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        • number six says

          Gaeta is a guy :) I don’t think there is anything about his character, that could be considered a clue. He just appeared for a few seconds at the end and I doubt we’ll see him again :(

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      Interesting theory!

      I think that he’s going to build a device with Ampilicite, and try to force Olivia to turn it on from ”the eye”, where he will be with his creature ship, his ”Noah’s arc”, to make a new world.

      But of course, he will fail ;)

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  20. mlj102 says

    This was another good episode. I think the tone of the episode is really what stood out to me the most. It felt very much like a Season 1 episode, from the case they were investigating, to Walter’s quirkiness, to the various character interactions. And I realized I’ve missed that throughout this season. In general, this episode flowed very well and it kept me interested throughout the entire hour.

    As others have commented, Lincoln was certainly improved in this episode. I appreciated how they addressed the elephant in the room (his feelings for Olivia). I feel like because they’ve addressed that, they can now move on. My only problem with him in this episode was how Broyles assigned him the lead while Olivia was temporarily out. Really? He’s been with Fringe Division for a few months and he still knows very little of the dynamic of what they do. While I understand Astrid is a junior agent, it still makes more sense that she would be put in charge, as she has been with them since the beginning. Or that even Broyles himself would come in and take charge for awhile. But putting Lincoln in charge just feels a bit premature, regardless of the fact that alternate Lincoln is mostly in charge over there. Over Here Lincoln just doesn’t have the experience yet. He hasn’t earned that position.

    I wasn’t quite sure what to think of the development with the people turning themselves into monsters. It seems like they’re setting the groundwork for the next chapter of the show, but I’m not so sure I like it. Perhaps my opinion will change as they develop it more, but right now, I don’t really care for it. I find the whole idea rather strange and uninteresting and I don’t see how it fits in to everything else. Again, I’m reserving full judgment until we’ve had a chance to see more of it, but right now I’m less than impressed.

    I liked how they followed up on Peter and Olivia’s relationship after last episode. It was obviously still there, but it was subtle and simple. I thought they balanced that out really well and it made it easy to accept the idea of the two of them in a stable, long term relationship. I also liked the way they followed up with Olivia and her journey to regain her original timeline memories, while still living in this slightly different timeline. I’m glad they revisited that, questioning her ability to function as an agent and pointing out additional differences (Rachel now has two kids?!), when they easily could have ignored all that and had her living normally like there was no problem. As she pointed out, it was naiive to think that everything would be perfect and happy just because she and Peter were together again. Certainly that’s an important thing for her, and she doesn’t regret that, but I like that she’s realizing that losing her original memories is a bit harder than she realized it would be. It’s a big deal, not something to be taken lightly, and I’m glad they’re not ignoring that. I’m quite happy with how they are approaching her journey in all this.

    I felt like this episode had a lot of great moments — funny moments (Walter, Markham, etc), intriguing moments (all the references to previous episodes and how it ties in with the story now), endearing moments (Broyles and Olivia), and moments of character growth (for all the characters, really — Olivia coming to terms with what her life is right now, Walter and Peter strengthening their relationship, Lincoln accepting that Olivia doesn’t love him, etc.). It all combined to make this episode very enjoyable to watch.

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    • Schoko says

      “I wasn’t quite sure what to think of the development with the people turning themselves into monsters. It seems like they’re setting the groundwork for the next chapter of the show, but I’m not so sure I like it. Perhaps my opinion will change as they develop it more, but right now, I don’t really care for it. I find the whole idea rather strange and uninteresting and I don’t see how it fits in to everything else. Again, I’m reserving full judgment until we’ve had a chance to see more of it, but right now I’m less than impressed.”

      I could not agree more.

      It feels like too little too late. We still don’t know if this will be the last season, and now we get another giant can of crazy mutated worms to open.
      I’ve been waiting with baited breath for those three letters: Z.F.T. Especially when they saw Markham! (I wished that scene was longer) When Markham said “Are you one of them?” I wanted more…I mean, if Markham never met this version of P/O, they could have BLOWN HIS MIND bringing up First People (or do they even exist in S4?) or ZFT.

      I just hope it’s worth all this. This whole animal-mutant-story took me out of last night’s episode. The relationships between Walter, Olivia, Peter and Astrid are improving and I enjoyed that a lot last night.
      Maybe just seeing Olivia’s shrink made me angry…. :)

      One last thing….Conrad. Now, isn’t his last name Moreau? I’ve been wondering if he is the same Moreau from The Day We Died? Or is it just similar names?

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      • Red Balloon says

        I always thought future Moreau was Conrad’s brother or something…So I guess we are witnessing the early “End of Dayers” movement.

        The whole animal-mutant-story isn’t that off the trail, since they’re creatures that we’ve seen through the series as a result of the pattern, so I don’t think of it as a new plot, just a follow up linking them to another well known ZFT theme.

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      • Red Balloon says

        I forgot to mention, “Maybe just seeing Olivia’s shrink made me angry…. :P

        Yes, I was thinking: Come on Olivia!, just fry the darn shrink!…LOL

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  21. February says

    The ending had definite Noah’s Ark themes. They referred to Jones’ God complex in the episode. Like the reason for the flood in the original story, perhaps Jones is attempting to cleanse humanity.

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    • February says

      Also, I believe I spied the Snakehead worm and (less confidently) the tail of the creature from Unleashed. Could this be the link between Fringe cases I’ve always dreamed of?

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      • Charlotte Gascon says

        I noticed them too. Looks like all season 1 standalones are going to turn out linking to the mythology.

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        • mlj102 says

          I, for one, am now anxiously awaiting the connection to The No-Brainer! :)

          But seriously, I have always suggested that the “stand alones” aren’t as isolated as they appear to be, and I love when they will take an aspect from a stand alone episode and revisit it, incorporating it somehow into the bigger story. It’s part of what makes Fringe so brilliant.

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    • February says

      One last thing… I thought the difference between universes and timelines was that the changes in the timeline were only connected to Peter, however, it seems strange that things like FD not knowing about the Observers and Rachel still being married and having two kids, amongst other things. At a push I guess you could assume FD first spotted the Observer observing Peter. You could also say that Peter having no affect on Olivia as a child, and her killing her step father without his influence, made Rachel a different person and set her on a different path. Who knows?

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    • February says

      Just an addition the Noah’s Ark theme. There was too porcupines… Are we to assume there’s two of everything (a la Noah’s Ark) or am I reading into this too much?

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  22. Red Balloon says

    Loved Walter’s smirk when Lincoln asks for more bacon…
    Liked caricature Lincoln (goofy scared Lincoln)…
    Felt sorry for Nina, watching her Olivia slipping away and not being able to connect like they used to.
    Loved Olivia’s realization when Broyles announce her the results and at the end, when he tells her that he fought for her.
    Loved Polivia’s with Markam…they make a good team
    Loved the scene in Bowman’s house…I think that’s the first time I’ve screamed the same way as in horror movies.
    I love that picture of Olive, thanks Roco!

    Peter has a gun!
    Olivia has a shrink!
    Astrid has a new haircut!
    Broyles has a nice tie!
    Product placement here
    Olivia is happy!
    Bishop boys have a family again!

    Meanwhile…Jones has an Noah’s arc and amber victims are still trapped

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  23. cliff says

    Two awesome things I noticed:

    1) Anyone remember the ending of “Ability” in Season 1? Olivia goes to see DRJ at the hospital but she only finds a huge gaping hole in the wall with the words “You Passed”. It seems Jones’ goal was the same similar to what it originally was in the Season 1 timeline, and that Jones himself was one of these genetically superior flying beasts. Its the only explanation as to why he was able to break a hole in a wall and fly away. He may even be one in this timeline, and is yet to be revealed.

    2) Also, Astrid says Conrad died in a car crash five years ago. In the Season 1 timeline, John Scott, Bowman, and Hicks were on a secret NSA taskforce to take out Conrad. When Olivia talks to John Scott in the dreamscape in “The Transformation”, John tells Olivia that he failed to kill Conrad, and shows her Conrad getting into a car and himself failing to snipe him. It appears that in this timeline, John Scott was successful and maybe killed Conrad and covered it up with a car crash. What a neat little Easter Egg that would be.

    Two things I’m disappointed about:
    1) I was hoping for glass storage discs being found in Bowman’s hand as it was in the other timeline, that would have brought up another one of the classic Fringe unanswered questions.

    2) I was hoping John Scott would at least have been mentioned in this episode. I mean, Olivia was in love with the man, and he redeemed himself to her in Season 1, even after death. If she remembers her original self, why would she not seek out John Scott and even see if he is still alive in this timeline to look for answers to this case (or even just to say hi), if she remembers how the case worked in the original timeline? It just makes no sense to me, but I guess it’s because the actor who played John Scott is booked. But this would have made a perfect guest appearance. Seriously.

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    • Liz says

      Yes, I’m also disappointed how writers conveniently avoid John Scoot issue. I know his story is over, but he was so big guest star in first half of first season. Everything what Olivia done in 1 season was about him: to save him, to uncover his betrayal, and in final minute, they were dreamlike-engage. And he isn’t even mention? Just weird. And in original timeline he is still, well, his body, in Massive Dynamic. I just think he is also interesting plot to not be touch upon, but I guess, he isn’t available.

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    • Ian S. says

      Jones’ goal is the exact same as it was before, September said so in ‘The End of All Things’ to Peter :) And I completely agree with you on that John Scott succeeded in his mission in this timeline. I watched ‘The Transformation’ again right before this episode and that’s the first thing I thought of when they said Conrad died in a car crash!

      These season 1 continuations are fantastic!

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      • matt says

        good points about john and especially about the glass discs! i wonder how they play into it all!

        also wondering if maybe jones is the anti observer? maybe they want fdivision to stop jones because he changes the future from observers into flying porcupine beasts? thought I like the theory where jones is responsible fro the observers better i thought id point it out.

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    • M says

      Really great observation with regards to Jones breaking the wall in Ability. I think it is more likely that one of the ZooFT creatures broke down the wall and carried Jones away.

      However, it is also possible in Season 1 that by stopping Conrad from selling the mutagen virus, the Fringe team prevented Jones from acquiring it.

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      • lizw65 says

        Someone suggested elsewhere that Jones’ s endgame might be to accelerate the evolutionary process and start making Observers ahead of schedule, in which case, all the assorted beasties are failed or ongoing experiments–and Jones has only recently realized that the secret ingredient for his recipe to work is Olivia.

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      • shidey17 says

        I was just thinking about this, and I have to agree. If Jones had mutated himself, he somehow returned to normal form by the end of Season 1….so either he can reverse the process and/or transform at will, or one of his creatures took him away at the end of Ability.

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    • Robert Ariadne says

      I forgot about Ability. That’s probably how Jones escaped; one of those porcupine things flew in and took him away.

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  24. nora says

    OK, it was a good episode. The humor is finally back, the old dynamic also, which is fantastic. What I didn’t like that there was waaaaaaaay too much Lincoln in it. I’m usually not the complaining kind – I take what I get, I swallow everything from this show (even AltLiv and Henry), even if it tastes bitter, I just ignore the whole thing, but this guy… I mean, why???! I REALLY tried not to pay attention, but the whole episode was evolving around him, and the character and the actor is starting to grate on me. I find him – especially his facial expressions and gestures – irritating. I was like: go away!, please, go away, what the f@;| are you doing here?! I would have been enjoying this episode so much more if he weren’t there. I just simply don’t care about him, he doesn’t fit, he’s merely meddling around and disturbing the big three.
    I loved however the P/O scenes, the Bishop boys scenes, and I have to admit that she is the first version of Olivia who is growing on me. I like her this way, more „human”, open and vulnerable. Loved Peter’s „Liv”, his innocent expression when he told Lincoln he couldn’t remember the other guy’s name, how he hid the toy behind his back when Broyles entered the room :). (By the way: Thank you, thank you, Broyes!!!) Walter – „boobs”, the magazine, the sandwiches, how he „tried” to „soothe” Lincoln – he really enjoyed the whole thing, didn’t he? And am I the only one who thinks he not just behaved but he also looked very much alike like our Walter, especially in the last scene? I mean, he was so disheveled and deranged (his appearance, too) until now. I enjoyed the whole Markham scene, how P & O „tricked” him.
    And, Markham… I just rewatched 6955 kHz, and LOLed at this:

    “PETER: By “First People,” what are we talking about… Adam and Eve?
    MARKHAM: No, before dinosaurs, before all of it, there were the first people… the first humans to evolve on this planet.
    PETER: If you don’t know anything, you can just say that.
    MARKHAM: I’m serious. Look, just read the book. It’s all in there.
    PETER: How much do you want for it?
    MARKHAM: I don’t want your money. I want protection. What if someone comes to erase my memories?
    PETER: I should be so lucky.”

    These writers are smart – and sometimes sick too (but I love them). Sorry about the Lincoln ranting, but he just doesn’t work for me. I’m completely content with our Legendary Three – he’s just an unneccesary and annoying fourth wheel to me. (I really hope he hooks up with AltLiv and stayes on the other side – IMO they deserve each other…) — rant completely over – I swear I’ll never do anything like this again, but this time I just had to, and it’s not a good feeling —
    As for the porcupine-gorgoyle-monster (or what should I call it), I’ll go and rewatch The Transformation. Man, the bathroom scene was creepy – I rarely (almost never) watch horror movies (except Fringe), and that’s exactly why. …I’m pretty sure Adam & Eve were more attractive…

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      • nora says

        I hope it’s off my chest now, and I can tolerate him in the future… I even liked the OT version of him (OurLincoln). I thought were great with Peter. I don’t understand why he’s – or why are my emotions about him – so different in this timeline…

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        • scully8 says

          Nora, I feel the exact same as you . . . Lincoln just doesn’t work and he almost ruined the episode for me. I hope my irrational feelings towards the Lincoln character go away soon.

          Thank goodness for all the fantastic aspects of the episode. I do love Fringe!

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          • nora says

            “…he almost ruined the episode for me.”

            I’m sorry, but he did EXACTLY this: managed to ruin this episode for me. I want to rewatch it so badly, but he’s in the center of almost every scene, and I can’t bear this.

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            • JM says

              Hello kindred spirits!
              IMO his worst scene in the episode was when he was getting stitched up and peter and olivia are confused when they find out conrad was killed in a car crash a while ago, so he couldnt be responsible for the porcupine and lincoln was like “wow for some reason what you two remember is not the same as whats going on now.” i was like WOW lincoln, WOW thanks for that. Cutting insight!

              He has changed (evolved?) from the jar jar binks of fringe to the legolas of fringe!

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              • nora says

                He’s a “cute-astrophe” (episode title of The Penguins of Madagascar). They try to sell him so hard as a cute and a super lovable character, but he’s just pathetic. A complete disaster on character front.

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  25. DeepRunner says

    OK, after the sugar-high of last week, this week’s was more meat and potatoes FRINGE.

    The positives:

    * Walter and Peter during the “birthday” celebration. Peter’s hug was perfect.

    * Walter and Peter with the Wheel-o. Walter said Peter would like it. Peter came in saying he loved those things. Yep, the Bishop Revival is, well, reviving.

    * Walter and the…um…magazine. He seemed to have quite the affinity for that publication.

    * Peter and Olivia together. Working and otherwise.

    * Markham. It was PERFECT seeing him on the show again. When he said “Are you one of them?”, I thought he was going to get the Seamus Wiles book. As he got into it, I thought he was going to coda back to the conspiracy theorist from season 1 who considered himself Sarek.

    * there was a mention of Rachel and Ella. Makes me wonder if we will see them in the next few episodes. Including the husband and the son.

    * Broyles was back. Lance Reddick does Broyles well, always has, always will.

    * Astrid time. It’s always good when Astrid gets time.

    * Peanut Butter and bacon sandwiches. Yum!

    The “Something’s not quite right”

    * The ploy for sympathy for Lincoln with the audience. Look, I get it, and I think most people have been where this character is. Hopefully, his character will end up in some sort of relationship. Next week’s tease may have given some clues. The conversation between him and Peter in the car was a good contrast to Peter gunning down the woman who was attacking Lincoln.

    * For two people who are in love, there was no display of affection between Olivia and Peter, even in the privacy of Olivia’s apartment. Not necessarily a bad thing, just seemed a little odd. I am not necessarily a shipper, but they just seemed a little…distant. Maybe that will come in time.

    Overall, a good episode.

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    • scully8 says

      * For two people who are in love, there was no display of affection between Olivia and Peter, even in the privacy of Olivia’s apartment. Not necessarily a bad thing, just seemed a little odd. I am not necessarily a shipper, but they just seemed a little…distant. Maybe that will come in time.

      I had the same feeling. Not even a quick kiss when she came in the door. Odd, but typical of how the writers handle the P/O relationship (either all-out love fest or no pda, not even in private).

      Hopefully, they will find the right balance in terms of P/O.

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      • lafra08 says

        DeepRunner and Scally8 I’m with you two on that! have exactly the same feelings about PO!

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      • Rae says

        I guess I’m partial to the 2026 Peter and Liv, there was just enough affection mixed with a domestic normalcy that still says ‘we have the hots for each other’. You know, shoulder kisses, face caresses, spooning….I just really liked that it wasn’t too extreme, and not to blink-or-you-miss subtle either.

        So at least we can all be assured that eventually, the writers find the happy medium. Even it takes fourteen more years…lol

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      • Rae says

        I took the liberty of assuming they were all kissy-ed out, and didn’t want to go through anymore Carmax for a while. ;)

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    • Rae says

      For some reason, I can’t run with the majority on this opinion for this episode though. I didn’t feel like they were distant at all, I felt, like they were back to being ‘comfortably’ with each other, as opposed to forcefully reconciling what they could have. Sure a little peck here and there would swoon shippers over, but I didn’t feel it absolutely necessary to get the point across. Olivia mentioned twice that she was taken to Markaham, Lincoln told Peter that Liv looks at him with lovey-dovey googly eyes,and Peter suggested to Liv they get some coital rug burn in Vermont. All of those things combined creates a monster of subtle ‘shippiness’.

      AS much as I love me my cute Olivia and Peter moments, I understand if the writers didn’t want Polivia overkill in a span of two episodes. I mean, given the mass of shippiness in the last episode, I can appreciate why they’d want to give us some breathing space.

      I mean, the coat Peter was wearing at the end of A Short Story about Love, is clearly hanging on Olivia’s coat-rack when she walks in the door. Given the way this fan base is, I’m sure they knew we’d notice it, and alas, happily assume they got down like a Marvin Gaye song, at the end of the last episode.

      I know I might have cracked a smile at the insinuation. ;)

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      • DeepRunner says

        I agree with what you’re saying, just it seemed a little odd when I saw it initially…I was not looking for them to have a gratuitous necking session, and yes, when I watched it again, I picked-up on the eye love and the warmth of feeling, and the Bookstore scene, Olive spoke with strong conviction about being taken. Just first glance it seemed…mmm…different from what I think many would have expected.

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        • Rae says

          I know what you mean, it was odd for me too cause I was hoping for it *badly*, but when I didn’t get it, I was okay with that too, cause I realized it’s not them, it’s me. I was disappointed simply cause I wanted to see it…

          And Scully8, that little ‘Liv’ was a kiss enough for me. It did make me go…aww, marry her already…again. Lol. :)

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      • scully8 says

        you make a good point . . . I still think a peck would have been nice as Peter hands Olivia, who he called Liv for the first time, the glass of wine. :)

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        • Rae says

          Sure it would have been really great, and if and when I do get disappointed by such things, I don’t blame it on un-characterization or a weak romance,because obviously, it isn’t. I blame it on my shipper expectations asking for too much.

          Meaning, as a shipper, SURE I want my OTP’s to snuggle and smooch and whatnot all the time in an episode, but it’s just not going to happen because really, it’s unrealistic to think that every goodbye, and gaze, and conversation is going to end with a passionate kiss. Unless of course, it’s somehow a risky or threatening situation or if the emotional context of the scene calls for it, then yeah, I can see how that would seem flaky in terms of a founded relationship.

          It’s adorable to have ‘aww’ moments with these two particularly, but if we don’t get three minutes an episode of snogging or spooning, I just accept that what makes my heart go thipity-thump is still there, merely undercover.

          I guess what I’m trying to say, is that I’ve caught myself being disappointed with what seems to be a *lack* of romantic continuity because, as a shipper, I wanted to see it all the time so badly. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t there, or that it wasn’t strongly implied, or that there weren’t little tidbits to look out for, it just means I can’t always have my corsexi-phan cake and eat it too. ;)

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          • Lafra08 says

            Rae very intresting comment! I don´t think that there is really a need for us PO fans to see every hallo or goodbye or conversation of them ending with passionate kiss but at this current moment in the storyline it felt really like as you perfectly said a lack of romantic continuity because we jumped from reunion moment of two people who love each other so much that they found each other despite an altered timeline after 14 episodes of seeing Peter suffer and longing for his Olivia to PO as a couple reunited acting like an old marriage, which was a little odd that in the first time after such kind of reunion two people in love, who missed each other so much don´t want to share a little kiss or a hug more often than usual. Episode 4.16 could have been a good opportunity to establish them as a reunited couple through seeing their happiens having each other back again with little kiss or a hug but showing them function immediately as an already longlasting relationship seems very strange and is unbeliveable, we didn´t see that so – lack of romantic continuity:)

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  26. DeepRunner says

    A few other observations:

    * Nina has not accepted Peter yet. She would not look at him in their scene together, which is reasonable from a maternal-protective-instinct POV. She and Broyles are the last ones that will get on-board.

    * Marshall Bowman’s sister appeared a bit more twisted in the expressed belief about being New People. The male love interest sorta looked like Daniel Hicks.

    * It was good that they had Bowman come out of the airplane lavatoire, and then proceed to get all quillish at the airport security office. It would have been excellent it they had found a glass disc, but the serum is obviously different. I thought of the episode “Fractured” with Colonel Gordon, when they showed the various syringes and vials.

    * As others have noted, Joshua Jackson and Seth Gabel have great chemistry. The car scene was well-played as Peter did a good job of listening while Lincoln said with frustrated resignation, “You were right. She’s YOUR Olivia.” Peter was not being patronizing in saying, “You’re a good guy.” But Lincoln could not take it any other way.

    * Did I mention Peanut Butter and Bacon Sandwiches, yum? As weird as that combination sounds, I wanna try one. I have had chocolate-covered bacon and I think even chocolate-covered potato chips before.

    * The freighter on the water was Noah’s ark, but it also seemed to be a nod backward in time to the various rooms full of animal experiments of season one, and Astrid reading about genetic modification was a callback to Walter’s OWN work in that area.

    * Who was the henchman running the freighter? They studiously avoided giving a clear shot of him. Was it the guy from season 2 who got involved in chemical manipulation and had a son who lived underground and burrowed tunnels?

    * This episode was indeed more meat-and-potatoes FRINGE, with the show being more about the science. DRJ’s shadow is LOOOOOONG over this season. The question is, how will he meet his end, and who will do it?

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    • mlj102 says

      “Was it the guy from season 2 who got involved in chemical manipulation and had a son who lived underground and burrowed tunnels?”

      Molebaby?! I hadn’t considered that this whole story arc might set the stage for the return of molebaby, but it’s definitely possible. If only we could be so lucky!

      Speaking of nicknames for some of our favorite creatures, was anyone else hoping that someone in this episode would refer to the dead creature as, “The fried dog man” ala Charlie Francis in the Transformation? I thought that would have been hilarious. Or at least have Lincoln develop a nosebleed so someone could ask for a box of tissues for him. :) I do miss Charlie.

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      • DeepRunner says

        Agreed on Charlie. It would be great if they at least bring Alt Charlie back. I don’t know if they still had the shapeshifter issue for our Charlie, but I would guess probably so.

        Molebaby…cool name.

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  27. nathan says

    I liked the episode but found myself constantly wanting it to move back to tracking down Jones. It was a nice hark back to an earlier episode.

    I love Fringe, at it’s peak for me they perfectly married up a cast that was amazing, with relationships I cared about and a story that heavily intrigued me. When we first saw over there, and Oliva had ‘powers’ – when she shot out of the car returning home they were all moment my jaw dropped.

    I knew right from the beginning of this season that Peter was home, so I felt like the story was meandering, as if it was a study in what would happen if you remove a person from the equation. I never hated Peter/Olive relationship in fact I felt that it was well suited – although it’s execution felt a bit forced.

    I still want to know more about what happened in the future with the first people going back. I keep thinking that there is going to be this big reveal which will link everything up in one amazing fantastical moment! I like when people here thought that perhaps the events in this season predicate the actual first season.

    I hope we get a shorter next season which allows the story to flow better and not have so many deviations from the central storyline. Funnily enough everyone I have shown fringe to absolutely loves it. It’s a gem of a show with a cast that is just…awesome. Love Walter he rules that character with such Shakespearian wonder, multi layered, multifaceted and at times tragically beautiful. I like Olivia now but do miss her more…I don’t know what it is – determination? zest? hmmm.

    I look forward to more mythology porn!

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  28. willg says

    OK, I was rewatching it and I forgot about a comment Olivia made to Peter that was hilarious. She comes into her apartment after talking to Broyles and she is telling Peter what happened. Peter mentions a vacation with a fireplace and a bear rug. Then his phone rings and Olivia says you better answer that I think the 70 s are calling. I don’t know why but that was so funny. \o/

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  29. mrflamethunder says

    I actually like this episode.
    Although I might say that porcumen with wings are weird….but weird is a matter of degrees I get it. Have no clue of DRJ’s goal. It left me dumb-brained.
    Also surprised to hear about Rachel and Ella with new Eddie. Wondering if they will show up in the future episodes (I guess not).
    As usual, loving all the interactions of our characters. Great enough to make me rewatch.

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  30. Ben says

    Thoroughly enjoyed this episode! A lot of what I liked has already been mentioned by others so won’t go into too much depth.

    -I loved the call backs to seasons 1 and 2, and now some of the less significant episodes like ‘Snakehead’ suddenly seem a lot more relevant.

    - I really enjoyed Lincoln’s contribution in this episode. I can understand why he polarises fans as he does kind of disrupt the ‘Big Three,’ but he’s a good guy and we finally got some insight into his character. I’ve never been a huge fan, but I certainly didn’t want to see him eaten like some of my oddly sadistic fellow fans ;)

    - The humour was the best I can remember from a Fringe episode! It was well-timed comic relief, so much better than the usual fare of Walter’s jokes about bowel movements.

    -There were twists and turns aplenty. I’m not ashamed to admit I jumped out of my seat when the monster jumped out of the shadows at Peter.

    -It was good to have Jones involved in the story, even if he didn’t actually feature in person. I’ve said before that the strongest recurring villains don’t even need to be in an episode to make their presence felt, we had that with Newton in season 2 and we’ve got that back with DRJ.

    All in all, things are set up for an exciting finale. Fingers crossed that we can all celebrate and look forward to season 5!

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  31. MISSNETT says

    Well I did my usual rewatch on Saturday. Gotta say I love having the dynamics back from season one. The call backs to that season were fun too! It was interesting to see the similarities but differences between the timelines. I really have missed the relationships of Peter, Olivia, Walter and Broyles. It was nice to have Olivia back. Her interactions with Broyles were spot on to season one. That’s the Olivia I loved and missed. I’m not sure how I feel about the story and what it means for the future and DRJ’s involvement in it. I’ll wait it out and see where it goes. Fringe has never disappointed me yet!

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  32. nora says

    I forgot to mention the completely unexpected twist – a plane in Fringe, and it didn’t crash! How many of them landed safely on this show? One, maybe two? When I saw it – particularly after The Transformation recap – I immediately thought Oh, ooooh-oh, nooo, it’s going to crash, it’s going to crash, too!

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    • mlj102 says

      Well, technically the plane in the Pilot episode landed safely. It all would have been fine and normal, if not for the small detail that everyone on board was dead…

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  33. Dylan says

    The reason I responded to this episode the way that I did is because of the callbacks.

    But that’s nostalgia, not quality.

    Beyond that, I feel this episode was misplaced and could have done a lot more with what it had.

    And poor Broyles…poor, poor Broyles…and Astrid! “In Olivia’s absence, let’s put ken-doll in charge, I mean he’s only been here for a few months and you and other agents for years! Makes sense to put him in charge…”

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  34. Dylan says

    Annoyingly, they did the same thing as in ‘Wallflower’

    *three Fringe agents enter a pitch-black house that may potentially contain a giant monster* Agents: Okay, let’s split up!

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    • Darth Kate says

      and the minute they went in there i was like, why don’t they just turn the freaking lights on rather than screwing around with those goggles? but nope! gotta build dramatic tension somehow, no matter how contrived the method may be!

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      • Dylan says

        lol that too.

        Another season 1 callback? Watching the final act and just counting down the minutes until one of the characters in the lab will have an “aha!” moment at the most convenient time, and then the case will resolve itself immediately afterwards.

        What I wasn’t expecting though was the FBI going in with radio-silence but then not telling their consultant/fbi/prisoner/whatever-they-want-Peter-to-be-this-episode to turn off his cellphone……

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        • Red Balloon says

          I don’t want to make it a big deal, but I think it’s FBI’s strategy to try to “surprise” the criminal in their sleep when doing a raid. I see it all the time in movies and in criminal minds (lol -> the only procedural I watch now). Maybe it’s annoying but not because of bad writing, but because it happens in real life.

          I do agree about Peter’s cell though, I’m guessing this lack of instructions also happens in real life sometimes. What doesn’t seems to be right to me, is that Peter interrogates that “innocent my as* girl”, without Broyles or Lincoln at least. I do have a problem with Peter not being properly or officially “with” the FBI, but yet, doing all kind of things that needs protocol standards. Give him any official training first, or at least mention something about what gives him the right to do FBI activities when ever they are short of agents.

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          • Roneo says

            Well, Peter has risen quite quickly in his role in the FBI team (much faster than he did at the time, in the old timeline), I guess because of his special knowledge of certain facts that nobody else knows. And for that special knowledge of preceding events is why he questions the sister. But I agree that leaving it to him alone can only be somewhat overconfidence. I also find it funny that Mr “I know to read people” is deceived so easily by the “innocent girl”, but I guess otherwise would have screwed up the final surprise.

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            • Dylan says

              That should make him a consultant, not an agent.

              They did the same thing in the original timeline too. It’s like the writers kept forgetting what he was supposed to be.

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          • Dylan says

            It’s TV-FBI strategy, but using it is lazy.

            And yeah, the Peter thing is too difficult to buy into.

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        • Rae says

          You know, they let Peter be whatever he wants cause…um, he’s Peter Bishop.

          I mean, the poor guy is the only one here without an alternate. So you know, they let him pick his role of the day. Sure, why not? It’s not like you’re playing that card somewhere else….you wanna be the boy wonder? Go for it, you’ve only got one version of you. You wanna look hot doing it? That’s okay too. It’s not like fangirls are going to complain…You want a gun even though you’re not an official agent? Okay! Not like you’re wielding one in a different universe.

          Oh yeah, that’s totally why he gets away with it. ;) Won’t deny he rocks my fluffy Fringe socks. lol…it’s that damn peacoats fault….;)

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  35. Roneo says

    Just an aside note.
    There’s something I don’t understand. From the moment that Peter disappears, Olivia has only one set of memories, not two. Why forget also the conversation with Lincoln about the weirdness of the cases? What memories replaces them with? Is she forgetting everything that happened in the first episodes?

    I guess not, but forgetting that Lincoln moment reinforces the pitty the character is supposed to make us feel.

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    • Drenami says

      I am sooo glad I’m not the only one!! That has been bugging the CRAP outta me! Also, I find it odd that Peter’s absence in the world caused the exact same flight to take place 3 years later. The memory thing that you mentioned though, is making it had for me to consider most other elements of not only this particular episode, but the entire Olivia memory rewite concept entirely. Oh, one other thing reguarding Peter and Lincoln chemistry: I have loved the way they work together since Stowaway.

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    • Dylan says

      I’m more confused about where exactly Olivia’s memories lead up to

      If they’re from the other timeline, what happens when she remembers Peter entering the machine and then stepping out of it?

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  36. 134sc says

    I really liked Walter and Peter in this episode.

    For the first 3 seasons Walter and Peter went through a lot in regards to the other, especially Peter. Both characters also grew a lot, so much that Peter was relatively accepting of Walter as his father and Walter was willing to let Peter go to benefit the greater good.

    What I liked about this episode is that they didn’t spend time explaining to the characters what was going on in regards to Olivia. They all excepted that there was another timeline before this one; this knowledge caused a very evident change in Walter.

    In season 1 (as far as I can remember), a main benefit in working with the FBI for Walter was that he could re-connect with Peter. In this timeline, this was not the case and Walter was even more of a broken man, constantly mourning the death of his son(s), and dealing with the consequences of that day. When it is learned that Peter IS who Walter tried to save from the otherside, he automatically accepts him as a version of his son whom he embraces. This Walter is not trying to make up for past mistakes in regards to his relationship with his son, instead he is just happy to have his son actually alive. Peter (at the end of season 3) had gotten to a place where he was on relativley good terms with Walter, and when he came back into the timeline, he thought Walter would help him, even if Walter did not believe he was his son. Instead Walter refused, because he tried to save a Peter who was not his son before with grave consequences. I think this did two things to Peter 1) it gave him a new respect for Walter that he may not have had before and 2) it made Peter long for Walter, in a way he may never had before.

    This is my long winded way of saying that Peter and Walter are in a very good place in regards to each other, and I think there relationship going forward will be just as strong if not stronger then it was in the previous timeline. Tonight’s exchange (presents and a hug), is just the tip of the iceberg.

    O and I am still not convined the BlueVerse Walter is completely gone, he might end up getting the Olivia treatment before seasons end. If that haapens then my above analysis is moot…lol

    ps. I really like that Peter and Olivia remember the previous timeline. It adds another dimension to the show, and opens up many storylines going forward. It is very cool how the show dealt with another universe and just when you thought it couldn’t get any more out there they introduce a new timeline; which is kind of like another universe, but within the same universe. Just one of the many reasons why this show is so freakin awesome.

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  37. Dylan says

    I will note that the episode did answer one of my question raised this past week; is William Bell dead or alive? Well, apparently he’s dead.

    And I got an answer to Rachel’s whereabouts, even though I forgot to mention her and Ella.

    So, updated list of questions I need answered;

    1) If this is Peter’s true universe, then how the heck did the Observers manage to erase him?
    2)How come they can all of the sudden go back and change things that they already did?
    3) How the heck was the machine activated?
    4) Why is the machine even there?
    5) What happened to the paradox?
    6) Who created the bridge?
    7)Where precisely was Peter when he was non-existent (where was he bleeding through from and how)?
    8) If Olivia wasn’t aware of her abilities before the last few episodes, how did they handle the machine being activated?
    9) Why would Alt-Olivia have been present in the room when the world’s bridged?
    10) Why was she in a gown?
    11) If the world-destruction has been resolved by the bridge, why aren’t the amber victims released?
    12) Why does the Fringe department on the Other Side still need to exist?
    13) Why did the cortexiphan trials still take place?
    14) If Walter was so bad that he couldn’t leave the laboratory before Peter’s arrival, how come he was at liberty island when the bridge was created?
    15) If the Observers are just scientists from a possible future and they screwed up this timeline (then fixed it but didn’t fix it…), what was with August’s death?
    16) Why didn’t they still kill the girl in the original timeline?
    17) Why did his death, if they’re just from a possible future, make her significant? What was the entire point of that now?
    18) Why are the Observers hanging around this particular area of time?
    19) If September lost his device, how come he could still “see”?

    “Who owns Massive Dynamic” and “where is William Bell” have pretty much been answered – well, the latter has anyway. I would still like to know the ins and outs of Bell’s death and what exactly his will contained this time.

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    • James says

      Regarding 14), I’ve already told you.

      The producers have confirmed it was mandatory for Walter to be there, regardless of whether he wanted to be or not.

      Look it up if you don’t believe me.

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        • James says

          This particular point regarding Walter is not exactly paramount to the overall story though, is it?

          I never questioned it until it was mentioned on here.

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          • Red Balloon says

            I don’t think some of the issues are not that important to be shown or mentioned…It’s like what happened with the birthday gifts (how did he get the gifts if he was at St Claires without visitors and Olivia only got him out 3 years ago?)…not important or relevant to know the details. I assume that Olivia helped him on those days.

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        • mlj102 says

          They just can’t win, can they? It’s one of the complaints of the show that I find so amusing, not to mention pointless. When they explain something to us clearly in the show, people complain: “They need to do more showing and less telling!” “Too much exposition!” “It’s like they think the viewers are dumb and can’t figure it out.” But if they don’t answer it directly on the show, it turns into some big debate, an inconsistency and an unexplained question of what was really going on or what the significance was.

          I agree with what others have said here, that some things just aren’t all that important. Does it really matter to the mythology of the show how Walter came to be at Liberty Island? I can understand and enjoy the show just fine without them taking the time to go into detail of that one small detail. If they took the time to explain every little thing like that, the story would never go anywhere. It’s unnecessary.

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      • Darth Kate says

        part of good storytelling is actually including crucial plot information *within* the story.

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        • JM says

          I have to agree with you on that Kate, they should have included all of this in the first few episodes of the season, what a waste.

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      • Dylan says

        I don’t consider that an answer. The producers are just trying to brush their error under the carpet.

        If he was fine in that case then why afterwards would he be back to his terrible ways?

        This is just like the producers explaining how Walter built the machine even without any evidence to support it.

        So, I want the show to explain this to me, not the producers. And this isn’t an attack at you, it’s an attack at them.

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        • Darth Kate says

          did the producers really say walter built the machine? that makes no sense! they clearly set up an ontological paradox.

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          • Dylan says

            I can’t remember exactly what was said (I’ll try find the video), but it was something along the lines of “so we now know that Walter built the machine…”

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  38. Rae says

    I think, maybe, a few of your questions can be answered if you re-watch the earlier eps of the season. The following is what I got from the first four episodes of season four, anyway. Would it have been nice to have it all laid out blatantly? Yeah, in a perfect world. But this is Fringe. And there is no perfect world in this game of Fringe things.

    Because Peter didn’t exist, the machine didn’t react only to him, it reacted via a different powersource-the device alt-liv stole when she became our liv. She went back to her universe with said ‘powersource/device’ and Walternate turned on the machine using it.

    Upon igniting the boom-boom-machine, instead of destroying blue-universe, as was WAlternate’s intent, the machine created a bridge that joined the two worlds. As a result, the different sides used this as a catalyst to develop a treaty to work together to fix the damage done to both sides. That’s why the other Fringe team needs to exist still. Because the alt-universe still needs a division of government to deal with the consequences of Walter having crossed over to begin with. No, that Peter didn’t survive either, but the cracks in the lining of worlds still remained because of the door Walter created to retrieve another version of his dying son. So like in the OT, the alt world is still going to need a division to combat, and ultimately heal the fissures of their universe, too.

    Astrid tells Walter in the second episode, that he’s lucky that when Walternate turned the machine on, it created the bridge and didn’t blow them all up. That was our little fly-by clue as to what happened. And the reason Olivia didn’t need to use her powers to ‘deconstruct the forcefield’ over the Wave-sync, is because no such shield existed. The shield erected itself after Walternate, in the OT, used Henry’s blood to power his machine. If Henry didn’t exist, and there was nothing *in* the machine, the force-field wouldn’t be necessary. The machine wouldn’t have been frustrated, because there was no Peter for it to think was inside of it.

    It’s hard to gleam these conclusions from simple conversation pieces in earlier eps, but if you watch them enough, I think it’s safe to assume this is the result the writers wanted us to come up with.

    So yeah, I understand it’s frustrating not have straight answers. But this is the best that I’ve been able to come up with to make sense of things myself.

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    • willg says

      Great post Rae. I pretty much agreed with everything you gleaned from the first part of the season. What cracks me up is when I read posts like they did not hardly explain anything and how are we supposed to understand whats going on by details that fly by; and on the other hand some get mad when stuff is explained by the characters outright and suddenly the writers think we are stupid and we don’t need this outright exposition. Just funny.

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    • Briar says

      Actually, I think that the machine was still operated by Peter and that the universes were still saved by him. They just don’t know it. They know other stuff was done and they think that created the bridge etc. The Observers erased Peter from the timeline after he stepped back out of the machine, so preserving his universe-saving actions. But they also erased him from the blue universe and created this alternate timeline. For the Observers both facts are true, even though logically they cannot be from our point of view. But in this way the importance of Peter as originally imagined (saving the universes by creating the bridge) is maintained. I really don’t see why they needed to erase him however. At the end of season 3 I imagined this was to prevent the clash of the two universe in the first place. The creation of the bridge allowed them to put things right by removing him from the picture, so removing the causus belli between universes. Then it turns out that the war between universes happened anyway, since their method of erasing Peter left the reasons for the war and the means of fighting it in place. Now September believes that the conception of the “right” Henry is also vitally important, thus meaning that Peter has to be restored. It’s hard not to feel that the renewal of Fringe came before the show runners had time to construct a jumping off point for its next season, and that tweaking their possible series finale end to season 3 into a more open ended one created a whole lot of problems for them which they have taken two thirds of season 4 to work their way round. Going back to season one and rewriting that seems to be their solution, and one will either like or dislike this.

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      • Rae says

        oh for sure Briar! We the audience *know* Peter was the instrument in creating the Bridge, but as far as all the characters besides Olivia is concerned, it happened without him. It happened in the season 3 way, but with a season 4 outcome because Peter became a paradox.

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  39. J.P. says

    Um… for once I’m actually at a loss for words. And that usually doesn’t happen, especially when it comes to reviewing a Fringe episode. I’ve gotta say, when I learned that the monster from “The Transformation” would be back, I was thrilled — that’s a favorite episode of mine, in my top five from season one. I enjoyed how he opened the door perfectly fine, before transforming later on, and the episode looked good, but then…

    It felt just like “Os” all over again for me. “Polivia” was definately at the forefront of this episode. To make matters worse, I found Lincoln to be absolutely intolerable, from his looks and expressions, to his talk with Peter, to his obvious and blatant disapproval over Peter and Olivia’s relationship. Man, just get outta here. You’ve known a false version of Olivia for a few months, grow up… I was hoping and possibly praying during the episode that Lincoln actually transformed into the monster, just to get rid of him. But of course, that could never happen. Why? Because we need Lincoln to lead the next episode, where we get not one, but two versions of him!!! OMG YYYAAAAAYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!

    Now, onto why I’m so lost with this episode. It’s the “Children of the New World”. The scenes explaining them felt like “Ability” when ZFT was partially explained, or “6955 kHz” when the First People were introduced. Except, this is happening so late in the season… what’s the point? I was perfectly fine with Jones just being interested in destroying the multiverse or something else equally as dire and fantastical, but not with him wanting to repopulate the planet with mutants…
    I thought the final scene was really, really weird, even for Fringe. Two sasquatch-porcupine things madly in love in a cell together, along with that chimera from “Unleashed” and the parasitic worm from “Snakehead”. Was that Pinkner & Goldsman’s way of honoring the past monsters of Fringe? To make matters worse, that guy actually had to say “quiet, you two”… Was I the only one who cringed whenever that woman or that guy spoke to the monsters… ?

    I really don’t know if the “Children of the New World” is one of the best ideas Fringe has had, or one of the worst. At this point, I’m inclined to think the latter. What a shame, this episode was a big disappointment.

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    • JM says

      LOL :P
      I actually thought they restrained polivia perfectly in this episode, i didnt really notice at all and it stayed in the background while we focused on the COTW. Everyone hear knows im in love with lincoln, he makes me all gooey inside, so i dont need to comment on that…. but otherwise dude, i reckon they just need to elaborate more on the DRJ masterplan and you will like it! have faith…!

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      • JM says

        Ive decided to coin a new phrase: TGFL (Turned Gay For Lincoln)
        It can be used to show support or love as the case may be for the character of lincoln lee, and just how awesome he is. Please use it!

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  40. DeepRunner says

    Two more observations:

    * Walter watching Peter, Olivia, and Astrid going over the various conspiracy theories, smiling and saying, “This is perfect,” then telling Lincoln (who must feel like Charlie Brown, or the fifth wheel) how he had forgotten how much he yearned for family. Really good scene.

    * Bowman’s sister with her love interest at the end, with the drugs and syringes. Very much an Adam-and-Eve moment, where she is convincing him to take this step. Sort of plays into the God/creation complex that DRJ has.

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  41. Red Balloon says

    So now that they know (via Bowman and Hicks) the NSA has his hands all over the ZFT new world project …They’re gonna team with them, right…right?.

    I think it’s about time all US Agencies join forces into the quest to stop this group. Isn’t it becoming evident that this is like a RED CODE!, PANIC CODE! for National Security Levels? … just saying

    I hope next week, mole Broyles comes out clean to get this matter on the table.

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  42. MR_K says

    This episode seems to be a fundamental part of the Fringe Universe. The observer said that they were scientists watching crucial parts of history and that Walter curing Peter was a momentous occasion that he just had to see. What was so important about that moment?

    Secondly, what are these people like in the future? Why are they different? Are they a result of the genetic improvements?

    I sometimes felt like Fringe was occurring in a simulated universe made for the purpose of seeing into the past, and `The End of All Things` (3×14) only made me think it some more when he said they were looking back. But that perspective aside, I really feel like this episode revealed the underlying premise of Fringe. And it was the plot that opened the series, after all.

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    • Rae says

      Because a plot about implementing Adamantium metal along ones skeletal structure has been done before?

      I guess being hairy and having wings comes next…lol…

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  43. Cortexiphan Kid says

    Do you think it’s just a coincidence, that Melissa was played by an actress named Olivia Jones?

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  44. Cortexiphan Kid says

    From the ZFT manifest:
    ”Humanity is naught but the collection of it’s moments and the sum
    of it’s parts. That some may be used to counter others is as natur-
    al a selection process as the lion and the gazelle, Homo-Sapien
    and Cro-Magnon. In this there is comfort should it be needed.
    This is not a war of hatred and anger. It is a battle of survival.”

    I think that ‘porcupines’ (and other creatures on that boat) are soldiers in this battle, and that if not us, they will survive.

    And yes, I know how stupid that sounds. ;)

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    • Cortexiphan Kid says

      Also from a ZFT:

      ”Thus the Soldier to come is both natural and, fairly, unnatural.”

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      • Rae says

        I think the whole season one ZFT plot was a re-direct, intended to make us think we knew what we thought we knew. Then, we were meant to believe it was about the battle of universes, when in fact, this is the battle it was referring to. Us and them, not being this side and that one, but humans against these homo-sapien/cro-magnon beings.

        The whole universes war was simply a consequence of Walter saving Peter, it never would have happened otherwise, but both sides, IMO, would still be fighting this was war of bad guys with a God complex, and that’s what the original ZFT document subscribed to.

        This is the war, that I believe Bell was really talking about, that the cortexiphan kids were truly made for. And if not for this episode, we wouldn’t have developed such a theory. That’s why I liked this one so much! :)

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        • shidey17 says

          This is the both the best and worst thing about Fringe. You think you understand something, but then they totally explode it and you have to go back and rewatch episodes. But you have to go back and rewatch episodes :)

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  45. Drenami says

    ~spoiler theory for the lincoln ‘fans’ ~ lol

    I think that we will find out that Lincoln is actually Liv’s brother. (both Jones’?…) Anyway I think that those that cannot stand him might just be happy enough with the fact that their major pain-in the arse turns out to have a crush on his sister. I mean that has to be a worse punnishment than being eaten alive by a prickly monster, right? Those that already like him will still like him and be able to overlook his incestuous feeling because, hey, he just knew he felt a strong connection to her. We would be able to look back over season 4 and see him as an annoying little brother that we are just stuck with who (maybe?,hopefully?) grows on us all by the end of this season.
    Anyone else?

    ;)

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    • JM says

      lol I have stated many times on this blog and that one of the many off putting things about a potential relationship between the two, is that seth gabel and anna torv could quite easily pull off a brother/sister role in a film or a tv show.

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      • Drenami says

        I think that would make the most sense and work for both his lovers and haters. I know it has been suggested before that Olive is Jone’s (was that you too?) I also remember someone(you) mentioning this, and I am starting to think that maybe that was the point the whole time. ;0)

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