FRINGE: 4.15 A Short Story About Love — 4 Sneak Peeks

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Four new clips from Friday’s returning Fringe, “A Short Story About Love,” have arrived. Watch them all below the jump.

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      • Darth Kate says

        she should just sit in a freaking chair for a four-month long catatonic montage until Edward Cullen takes her back.

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            • Darth Kate says

              yeah and i was even the one to suggest that we not use it for comparisons, but i don’t even know anymore….

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              • mlj102 says

                I’m only saying this since you guys brought it up, but talking Fringe and Twilight: there is NO comparison. I apologize in advance to anyone who is a Twilight fan, but Twilight is one big sappy, poorly developed love story. There is no substance to the surrounding plot (the first book was all right, but the others were downright awful… so much that I couldn’t bring myself to read the last two books, which is where I hear it got really bad) or to the love story itself. It is overdramatic and boring, juvenile and superficial, to the point where it’s just plain irritating. Fringe, is none of that. Yes, there’s a love story at the heart of the show. But what’s wrong with that? All shows have a love story in some form or another. And most shows completely fail at the way they develop and portray that love story. Your opinion may differ, but I think Fringe is one of the few that has successfully pulled off a love story. But whatever your feelings are towards the love story in the show, I don’t see how you could possibly compare it to Twilight. They’re nowhere close to the same thing. Fringe is nowhere near that low.

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                • Darth Kate says

                  ive already made my point on the poor handling of the love story in this show. im not going to make it again.

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  1. willg says

    It looks awesome, I cannot wait till friday. We knew she was going to be messed up not knowing what is going on with her feelings and memories of places and people she shouldn’t know and her strong feelings for Peter who just took of on her; so it is understandable why she is like this. This is our Olivia and I think we will see this in this episode.

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    • wikiaddicted723 says

      Thanks for this^ I think Olivia is so Badass all the time that we sometimes forget that she’s only human, in the end. And a pretty traumatized one at that.

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      • lost_stef says

        Nicely said! she is human after all with emotions and imagine how you would feel in that situation pretty f’upd also!

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      • Scully8 says

        I totally agree. Yes, it’s a bit disconcerting because our Olivia is so Badass, but like you said, she’s only human. Come on . . . this woman is still ‘amberolivia’ who has been looking to fill a whole in her life for as long as she can remember, so wonder boy comes along and seems to be the filler. :)

        Personally, I can’t wait for Friday. Remember, love stories by nature are a bit sappy. I mean, Peter is really subdued as well in the taxi . . . I don’t think he’s happy that he has had to keep away from Olivia.

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        • willg says

          Exactly. I mean it is called A Short Story about Love. We all knew this was coming and we knew they would have to come together in some epic love story kind of way. I am really looking forward to it.

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          • Maris says

            See her so vulnerable … is another side of Olivia.
            Peter in the taxi, has almost broken my heart !!!
            I’m really looking for to see where we going to go !!!

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          • shidey17 says

            And seeing how it is called “A Short Story About Love” I would think that implies there will be a definite ending to that love story in this episode….so hopefully we will get Peter and Olivia back together and then we can figure out what is going on with the universes and wrap up the rest of the mythology for the season…

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            • mlj102 says

              “so hopefully we will get Peter and Olivia back together”

              Oh, please no. No offense to you or your opinion on the matter, but that is the last thing I want for this episode. I can only take so much of the back and forth.

              So first we had Peter firm in his opinion that this was not his Olivia. Then, in pretty much the course of one episode, he decided this was his Olivia in A Better Human Being. Yet in the very next episode, The End of All Things, he changes his mind and breaks her heart when he concludes that she’s not his Olivia. To have him change his mind yet again in the space of one episode would just be too much for me.

              As far as I’m concerned, it would be bad enough for Peter to decide this is his Olivia at all — I just don’t think that resolution would work well — but if they’re going to do it, they can at least give it some time to actually seem realistic. But all that back and forth in such a short time just doesn’t work for me. At all.

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              • JM says

                I think there is supposed to be a large-ish time gap between this 4.14 and 4.15, atleast a couple of weeks.

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                • Wikiaddicted723 says

                  Yes, I thought so as well. It would also be reminiscent of the way 6B worked after the ending of ‘Concentrate & Ask Again’, IMO, so I believe it might happen. I, for one hope it does.

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              • shidey17 says

                I just say that so the back and forth can hopefully be wrapped up, done with, fixed so we can move on to the other important aspects of the show. I don’t want to get into a huge debate – we already did that on a previous post….but even as someone who wants Peter and Olivia together, I think it’s time they settle that issue so we can move on to bigger and better things.

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            • Kelly says

              I thought it was called “A Short Story About Love” because of the killer targeting people in love in this episode? I remember reading something about that.

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  2. Marcus Mattingly says

    I really don’t see what all of the fuss is about. This is Olivia. I don’t really see that they have gone way off base with her. Her character has always been a complex combination of strength and vulnerability. I mean take two of the classic episodes..Bad Dreams and The Cure. Two of my favorites. She was an emotional mess in these. She spent much of the first season bouncing back and forth between kicking butt and moaning over John Scott. Remember her return back after meeting William Bell? Again, a terrified mess. She couldn’t even load her gun. She’s multi-dimensional. Always has been. Can she be a complete badass and take down bad guys? Sure. Can she be weak and emotional? Absolutely. She just happens to be in a bad place at the moment and this is slightly different Olivia as well. I personally love seeing all sides of these characters. I’ve said it before, as cool as the mysterious sci-fi stuff is, it’s the heart that keeps me coming back. Father/son, Olivia/Peter, Astrid/Walter, Charlie/Olivia. It makes you feel for the characters and care about what happens to them when the monster of the week is breathing down their necks. Side note, this is where Alcatraz has failed in my opinion.

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    • Scully8 says

      I absolutely agree with every darn thing you just said, including the Alcatraz comment. I really wanted to like that show, but it bored me to tears.

      In any event, I love FRINGE! Thanks for your on target comment.

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      • Marcus Mattingly says

        Thanks. I do love Fringe as well. Best show on TV. Period.

        I’ve also really made an effort to like Alcatraz. Unfortunately, they are several episodes in and I don’t feel anything for the characters at all. Great concept, it has just fallen flat. Too bad.

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        • mlj102 says

          Disclaimer: Perhaps this discussion might be more appropriate over at Seriable, but I’m going to respond here anyway.

          Regarding Alcatraz, I just recently saw the first two episodes, and I have to say, I was actually rather impressed. Perhaps it was because I hadn’t really had much in the way of expectations for Alcatraz, but I liked what I saw. I feel it’s the first show in a long time that has been surrounded by huge amounts of hype and anticipation (other shows include, but are not limited to: Flash Forward, V, The Event, Touch and Terra Nova) that actually delivered. All those shows listed were promoted like crazy and had a lot of potential, but for me, they all failed to deliver and were rather disappointing. But the first two episodes of Alcatraz intrigued me and I actually liked the characters. Now, all that might change once I see more episodes. If it fails to progress or continue with that momentum, that opinion would change. But for now, I am pleasantly surprised by what I’ve seen.

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          • JM says

            Ive heard its good all the way through, but the ratings have dropped with every single episode including the one last monday, it is not looking good for renewal.

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          • Scully8 says

            I’ll be interested to see what you think after watching a few more episodes. I’ll check over at Seriable for your future comments.

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            • mlj102 says

              I’ll be sure to let you know. First I have to find the next group of episodes… and I would rather not have to buy them. itunes had the Pilot and second episode available for free, which is why I decided to give the show a chance. But Hulu only has the last couple of episodes right now. I’m hoping they’ll release the full first season online somewhere at some point. But at least I’m talking about watching the next few episodes — that’s got to say something about the show, whether or not it fails in later episodes. Watching the Pilot was more than enough for me as far as those other shows were concerned.

              Fringe, on the other hand, had me hooked after the first episode I watched. And really, it’s only gotten better.

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  3. JM says

    Slightly confused with what Olivia was saying to Nina. She says she feels like shes known Peter her entire life, but shes known him for like 3/4 years (right?) I know they met as children, but she dosen’t remember that (right?), or is it because shes in love with him so she feels that way? (iffy…)

    But anyway that whole conversation just highlights the ridiculousness of what Seth Gabel was saying in the interview at wondercon, as Olivia says it sounds absurd to Nina that she is in love with Peter because she barely knows him, and Gabel was saying lincoln/olivia were falling in love having known each other for like a month and staring in to each others eyes for five minutes in an all night diner…….Crazy!

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    • Scully8 says

      LOL . . . haven’t you ever heard of love at first sight . . .

      I think Olivia is referring to the depth of her feelings for Peter which makes it feel like ‘all her life.’ I may be reaching, but it’s so darn romantic. :)

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  4. skylark147 says

    Hi,
    Love this blog.. :)
    I haven’t written any comments myself, this is my first one. (it got a bit lengthy:) )
    I just wanted to point out something regarding Peter’s coming “home”, which I haven’t seen discussed much. At least not here, maybe it was done somewhere else.

    Now Peter is in the timeline/universe which does not remember him, it’s a timeline where he had not any impact on the people’s life. I believe he will come “home” eventually and will be with his Olivia. Yes, this is his universe, but not his timeline, as it was established he died here as a young boy and I think too many things has happened differently (Nina, DRJ, cases Fringe worked on.. ). It’s not as simple as this Olivia or Walter “remembering” him, it would be this whole universe to “remember” him, since he was a boy and Walter brought him here.

    But back to my point.. if he comes home, and this Home would be universe as he left it, the universe we know, Walter we know, and he’d come back to his Olivia, if he comes back to everything we’ve been experiencing with him for 3 years, he also comes back to the timeline where baby Henry exists in the Red universe.
    Baby Henry fell out of the picture with this new timeline.. but if Peter is coming back to how all was before, baby Henry is back, too.. And now he knows he has a son.

    And that might be interesting!
    I know everyone is talking mostly about Peter coming home to his Olivia these days.. (because that’s what Peter is talking about mostly ), yet let’s not forget there’s more to it. :)
    From how he’s acting now, when he comes home, I suppose he won’t be leaving his Olivia for Altlivia, yet, he would definitely would like to find a way how to be with his son. He knows how it is to grow up with an absent father.

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    • Lafra08 says

      I personally think and of course I could be wrong, so it will be so cool and fun to find it out on friday if`I´m right that at the end of episode 3.22 we have seen our original characters so as they were in seasons 1-3 for the last time! – I think we are not going back to the original timeline anymore! – And I can´t believe really that I´m saying that now!!! If someone had toled me at the beginning of season 4 that I´m going to come to this conclusion about episode 4.15 I would have said: Are you kidding me??? Never Ever we are going to stay in this Newtimeline, I wanted the Original characters so badly back!!!!! It doesn´t mean that I don´t miss them anymore(There will always be a place for them in my heart!) BUT over the course of season 4 I slowly realised, we spent over a half of the season in this Newtimeline, we got to know this actually New Old characters their new relationships, we hated them at first because they were so diffrent from the onces we loved so much and than we saw that because of the impact Peter had on them they started slowly becoming just like our beloved characters and now Newlivia is reverting back to the Original Olivia Our Olivia so I don´t think that it would be a good writing choice at this point of the storyline to put Peter and us audiens back to the original timeline! Does Peter really still want it? Do we really still want it with the knowledge we now have about this New old world? It could have been possible about episode 4.05 but now could Peter really after so long time leave this people simply behind just like that – Oh sorry Newlivia that you are becoming the other you and loves me deeply and sorry NewWalter that you are opening up because of having me around But I´m leaving now!!!??? If we would somehow do come back to the Original timeline than we have Peter who is now a totally diffrent person because of his new experiences with another version of Our characters, could he be really happy in the original timeline knowing that somewhere the other version of his Walter and his Olivia are broken, devasteted because he is gone?, in addition we would have an evil Walternate, no DRJ, no Altbroyles, no Lincoln in our fringe team and Baby Henry who is not meant to be – Do we really want all this back? – I think in fact this Newtimeline really opend up new interesting possibilities and I don´t know how this is going to play out but I have a strong feeling that we are not going back to the original timeline as it was in seasons 1-3! And I will be ok with it as long as Peter Olivia and Walter Peter – relationships remain the same as in seasons 1-3! So curious to find out if I´m right?!:)

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      • shidey17 says

        Well put. I have to agree with you on that one. I think it would be a mistake now to go back. It’s kind of like how we all hated the alt universe characters at first but they were slowly humanized to the point where we liked them. It’s taken me awhile to warm up to the characters in season 4, but I kind of feel like it would be pulling the rug out from under us again to go back and leave no trace of these new characters.

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    • DeepRunner says

      I have also thought that if Peter returns to the correct timeline Henry comes back, so the writers and producers may be like King Solomon. This is the right universe, but the timeline will not be adjusted to the point of allowing Henry to come back.

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  5. DeepRunner says

    This. Episode. Looks. Epic.

    The preview with Peter in the cab…doesn’t it seem like Walter is the Walter we remember? Very paternal in his statement, “You didn’t tell ME.” Seeming very hurt. And Peter seems…wrecked and racked…”You told me to stay away.”

    Olivia and Nina in the restaurant–This is the third crack at the “It’s-because-you’ve-been-dosed-with-Cortexiphan-and-Peter-is-projecting-his-Olivia-onto-you” explanation. Yes, I believe Cortexiphan has lots to do with it, but Olive obviously is not persuaded. At least at that point, she’s not.

    Olivia’s plea with Walter to fix her. In season one, she asked Walter several times to let her into the tank to keep contact with John Scott in her memories, which were blended with his. Now this is a reversal. She doesn’t want this at all. But Walter initially seems hesitant. Is it because he is concerned for what is happening to her, what one of his “treatments” will do to her, or is it because maybe some form of this is happening to him, too, and it hasn’t been revealed yet? Love is about more than romance; it’s about the ties that bind people to each other.

    In the original timeline, there was always the romantic tension between Olivia and Peter, before she went Over There to bring Peter back. Now Olivia is in the position of having unrequited love for someone who everyone thinks is a stranger. In this timeline, up until the last several episodes, Walter wanted nothing to do with this stranger. Now that’s changing.

    FWIW, if Peter ever does return “home,” can you imagine the reactions to the stories?

    Olivia: “Nina was a MOTHER to ME?”

    Walter: “What do you mean, I SLEPT in the lab and would only communicate through Astrid?”

    Lincoln: “You’re telling me that Olivia wanted ME over YOU?”

    Come on, Fringe Friday. Get here.

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    • Marcus Mattingly says

      You’ve touched on something I mentioned in a posting on the Facebook page at some point…I am not so sure that what is happening to Olivia is not also slowly happening to Walter. In a Better Human Being there is a point where Walter loses his train of thought while discussing what could be wrong with Olivia. It seemed very deliberate to me. My theory is that the two timelines are merging together so to speak due to Peter’s return and efforts by September to correct the situation.

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      • lizw65 says

        That has been my impression as well…the fact that he hasn’t discussed it with anyone doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.

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      • shidey17 says

        I think something is happening to Walter as well. Don’t forget he was affected by visions of Peter at the beginning of the season – even though they have not touched on that recently for some reason.

        I’m not sure about the universes merging together. It’s a possibility but I kind of think the writers will take a less intrusive route in bringing things back together – the palimpsest idea for example.

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    • willg says

      Come on Kate, I think it will be better than you think. It has to play out like this for them to get together. We know they get together anyway, but Pinkner and Wyman said they would have to earn it. Well they have been earning it for a couple episodes now. Lets see how ya feel after you watch it. :)

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      • Darth Kate says

        they’ve been “earning” it for two seasons. that’s a hell of a lot of time to waste on a relationship that we all know is going to inevitably happen.

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          • willg says

            “im going to cram pinkner and wyman’s heads up each others’ asses. its random, but i assure you all, completely necessary.”

            I am guessing from this previous comment you made that you think they are A** clowns. lol!

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              • willg says

                Betty, that statement in quotes is from a previous post of Darth Kate’s I was just using to tease her with it. ;)

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                  • DeepRunner says

                    Kate may not be sold on the long slog that it’s been, since the pilot when Peter was placing those monitors on the…um…lightly-clad Dunhamnator. (There was lots of eye-love going on throughout this series, but it all started with the pilot.

                    To be fair to Kate, it’s about time they settle this once and for all. Olivia earned her stripes by coming back from Over There to be with Peter, saying it was because of him that she was able to come back. Peter earned his stripes through this long strange trip in the wilderness, with no one but himself and the mere shadows of people he knew and loved, and protecting them while trying to remain loyal to “his” Olivia and Walter.

                    They’ve paid their dues. Their time is due.

                    But if it doesn’t happen, that won’t make me stop watching and thoroughly enjoying one of the best two or three sci-fi shows of all time.

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                  • Darth Kate says

                    they’re in the public eye and that makes them open to criticism of their clown-like behavior.

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  6. Rae says

    Honestly, the diner scene reminds me of Olivia in ‘Bad Dreams’. She was emotionally wrecked in that episode, for different reasons of course, but her inner frustrations played on her face in a way quite similar to this. I find, IMO, that this Olivia, given her different past then the OT one, is stellar-ly written, and the way Anna portrays her is spectacular.

    Respectively, I understand how some may see this as uncharacteristic of Liv’s character, but at the same time, we have to take into consideration that this particular Olivia has different characteristics and traits then the original, given her different upbringing. We don’t know, you know, if this Liv was in love with John Scott or not, we simply know she was working with him. It’s quite possible that this is the first time this Olivia has felt feelings this strong, so I can understand clearly why it would make her an emotional mess, especially since the object of her affection has rejected her so.

    Being in her position, I would want to go back to normal too, hell, I’d want to banish all memory of the person I’m in love with if they didn’t want me back. I think this is not only a completely human reaction, but almost a given one. And yeah, I’d still be a roller-coaster of frantic nerves if I’d been hit not only with memories that I didn’t have, but with feelings I didn’t ask for. Can’t deny the latter’s happened to me once or twice.

    IMO, vulnerability is a given when it comes to substantial matters of the heart. Yeah, Olivia’s a badass gunslinger, but being empathetic and having a heart is what makes her so good at it.

    Hell, Agent Mulder was as kickass as they come and look how many times he cried. He and the lady partner were quite emotional when it came to the other…and I found that to be a believable romance too.

    I think, if all the characters we loved acted as passive neanderthals when it comes to love, we would’t love them so much because we couldn’t familiarize with their cave-men personas.

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    • says

      … hell, I’d want to banish all memory of the person I’m in love with if they didn’t want me back.

      Reminds me of Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind.

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    • Red Balloon says

      I loved what you said, thanks!

      Just one thing: “the lady partner”???, seriously?…LOL…just kidding…I think Scully is as hard to forget as Mulder :D

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    • Scully8 says

      “Hell, Agent Mulder was as kickass as they come and look how many times he cried. He and the lady partner”

      The lady partner’s name was Dana Scully . . . :) She is the original badass F.B.I. woman — IMHO.

      I also agree that their romance worked and Mulder was ‘the man’ even with the tears.

      I admit, Xfiles is my all-time favorite television show, although FRINGE has been inching up to the top spot since season 2.

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      • Rae says

        Oh, for sure, it’s definitely mine too. X-files and Fringe are my tops. Nothing compares to either! :)

        The things I’d do to Agent Mulder……

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  7. Rae says

    Just to add too, wouldn’t it be awesome if Henry (cabbie, not baby) was the cab driver in this episode? lol…

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  8. Darth Kate says

    ok one more thing and then i swear i’m done. Aside from the lazy and cheap recycling of their relationship arc, the biggest reason that i cannot it seriously at all is because of how they unnecessarily forced them back together no more than FIVE EPISODES after marionette by actually blaming olivia for the fact that they were no longer together. and don’t tell me that they didnt because in 6B peter actually says something along the lines of “well who’s stopping us now, olivia?” as if her feelings toward the situation were somehow unwarranted or irrational. And then she takes him back just like that. what. the. hell. Peter screwed up. that is a fact. i dont hate him for it, but he did mess up and he should have been the one to fix it. Olivia should not be the one who has to just “get over it” or move on, and yet that’s how they played it. but the writers didnt make peter have to do a gosh darn thing besides act miserable for a few episodes. that is not a character arc. and then to make matters worse, in LSD (which i actually liked! a lot! aside from the thing im going to mention) it is implied that he has learned some more about olivia’s childhood but we never got to actually see that. television is a visual medium. show, don’t tell. you can’t just skim over important character revelations like that, its lazy! and then when he’s confronted by the apparition of olivia hes suddenly all like “i can see in your eyes that it’s not you.” Well how convenient for you, sir, that you suddenly have the perspective to make that distinction! even though we the viewers have been given no indication that he has actually reformed his character enough to be able to make that revelation. Something should have been shown to have changed about him between the time that he did not recognize her in the beginning of the season and the time that he was able to recognize her in LSD. But they never showed that. It was too easy for his character, too lazy of the writers, and too hastily resolved in the name of cramming for the finale.

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    • Red Balloon says

      100% agree!!!…If I could, I would erase most of that first attempt to their love story and re-write it
      …oh wait!….LOL… :P

      What I’m trying to say is that I really like this version of their love-story better than what happened the first time. At least they’re being more conversational about it, and acting on it…plus -> the ohh-dream

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  9. Rae says

    Judging from the cafeteria conversation in Marionette, it was always my opinion that Peter, was in fact, suspicious of Alt-livia, but he made up excuses to be seeing something else in her eyes because what lies Bolivia told him made sense.

    Perhaps, to a more inductive mind, and not one influenced by the human aspects of a wanting desire, more care could have been taken in judging the differences between the two, but I always felt that the reason for Peter’s apparent blatant obliviousness, is because he’d felt, somehow, that he was seeing her differently because she decidedly *wanted* to be different. And he didn’t question it anymore, because his little heart imploded from all the good ways he thought being happy was changing her.

    Can’t say I blame him, though, to be honest. I’d like to think I make a pretty big impact on the people I care about too. It’s nice to think you mean enough to somebody, that who you are changes them for the better.

    It was my belief, that Peter was blissfully blinded by Altlivia, because in thinking this was our Olivia, he was too damn content on just bringing out a side of her she never opened up to him before. Of course, that’s not true, but I honestly believe, at the time, he took it as new gospel, one the he inspired the words to. At the time, it was flattering for him to think he motivated her to smile more, and it was an understandable justification given the new context of their relationship. It’s human to want to feel that kind of validation from the person you love.

    Was it stupid? Well, duh, if you,’re an audience member and you know the truth, and you’re mad that everything’s screwed up, then yeah, everything but a happily ever after seemed dumb-ass at the time. But can I blame Peter for wanting to feel like he impacted her life enough that she wanted to be happy? Nope.

    And you know, he knew, at the end of it, that he shouldn’t have been dumb enough to convince himself he’d changed her somehow. There was no defensive response, at all, after Liv fed him the riot act outside Barrett’s house. He just sat there and took it like a Mitch. In my opinion, he was internally berating himself for his own stupidity, because yeah, he had suspicions, but he didn’t feed into them cause what he wanted so badly he could reach out and take. So why stare a gift horse in the mouth? There’s no chance in hell he was going to risk losing her by questioning her up and down. I mean, if she was his Olivia, and he was flaking under her new self-resolve, it would have caused other issues that he didn’t want to risk.

    Ultimately, I saw this whole story line as Peter is human, with the same human frailties we all have, and yeah, he made a mistake, a big one, but I truly feel that part of his character progression was letting Olivia be furious and giving her time. I think it was his way of saying ‘I know I F-ed up, and you deserve to hate me for it, and you can be angry because that’s your right.’

    Do I think the dialogue in 6B could have been handled better? Won’t deny it, but I still feel that what we got is enough to purvey all the emotions and conclusions these two characters have come to over the past few weeks we saw play out. Peter was allowing her space, while she was trying to grapple with having to live up to a better version of herself. I mean, if she assumed Peter was blissfully happy with her doople-ganger, to the point of lollipops and rainbows, that’s intimidating for someone who, years ago, began to consider themselves emotionally damaged.

    How could she have what she wanted if he thought something else was so much better?

    In the end though, I think Olivia blamed Altlivia because it’s human to want to blame dire consequences on other people, other things, but after the infamous hallway scene, she realized Peter’s intentions, and she figured it was her, that she had to stop thinking she was somehow inferior to a version of herself he didn’t love anyway. And I felt like Peter knew this is exactly what she was doing, comparing herself to her locum tenus, and he just wanted her to understand that nothing was more beautiful then what they could have, if she’d realize it too. I don’t think he was blaming her. I felt like he was attempting to liberate her from the doubts in herself.

    And somehow, from the Bishop house to the bar she had a talk with herself about self-perception and it’s repercussion, and allowed herself to put the past in the past. Do I think they should have given us more on this? Oh yeah, cause honestly, if felt a bit waffle-y, but given the time constraints, I’m not going to hold it against the producers, or writers.

    Ultimately, I’m a fan who felt all the points get across, in the end. And after some analyzing of my own of course, I got it. And I appreciated it. And for what it’s worth, I like it…kinda alot.

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    • Polivia says

      To Darth Kate, I must disagree. I think you’ve miss understood most of what was happening in the second half of season 3, and/or have been giving the Peter and Olivia’s situation a slightly superficial look.
      Olivia, the woman who always struggled with trust issues, fell in love with Peter and came back to be shocked that her Alt ego experienced and lived that same love that’s hers and lived with the man who belongs with her. Peter on the other hand, the man who’s entire life was based on lies since he was abducted from the other side, suddenly realized that he was again living another lie, when finally he thought he found love and happiness after he came back from his world seeking that love in the first place. Both situations are a bit complex, and after thinking it through I couldn’t just blame Peter when I tried to see things from both perspectives. The fact that Peter and Olivia had no other thing they could do to reverse what happened made the whole thing even worse.
      The dilemma that our two heroes have been through isn’t something you see lovers go through everyday. It was serious to the point where you can’t help but feel they both equally suffered, and the only viable solution was to put the past behind and start all over again, which was hardly a piece of cake. Olivia felt violated and betrayed, she got made at Peter and he couldn’t blame her and at the same time couldn’t say anything and even didn’t try to defend himself because he also blamed himself, he felt guilty, which is the worst feeling a man can experience. It’s also important to note how he still speaks about that dilemma now that’s brought up in s4 saying that he “betrayed the olivia that he loves”.
      That all been said, I’ve never thought that Peter’s “Who’s the one stopping us now” was an attempt from the writers to make Olivia forgive Peter without him doing anything. They were both stuck in a miserable situation which is wanting so badly to be with each other, but unable to do so, so they just kept avoiding to bring that up everytime. And I never thought Peter didn’t do anything to win Olivia back, he gave her the space she needed and never tried to explain himself, which is a very mature way, and I loved that Fringe didn’t go down that road where Peter has to cry and tell her to forgive him and all. Moreover the situation in itself sounded very embarassing for a man who lived many years being the genius he is and believed he is, just to be dumped with a flirty ginger head bitch. What I’m trying to say is that the Faux story did break something inside Peter as much as it did inside Olivia, they both lost something far deep inside their souls, and it needed time to recover. One thing was for sure was that getting back to each other was the right thing that could heal them both, remember, what’s been for us audience a few episodes, was a long time during which the two potagonists suffered much, and much of it happened off screen.

      The fact that Peter knew somethings about Olivia’s childhood in LSD didn’t bother me either, because you can’t have everything delivered on screen. I mean, surely, somewhere along the line, and as a couple, Olivia must have told Peter things about what she remembered from her past, besides Fringe is the kind of show that gives you little hints and lets you deduce the rest, so It worked for me.
      Also, I’m surprised that you found the “I can see it in your eyes” line inconvenient for Peter. We all know that if anyone knows Olivia, it’s Peter. And if your opinion came as a result of him not telling the differences between Olivia and Faux, I think it’s been more than once explained that he did know deep inside that it wasn’t her, because having never seen Liv that happy and smiley, he thought he was bringing a different side in her, he thought he was meeting the “Olivia in love”, he did make excuses for himself, but it was never implied that he doesn’t know Olivia or can’t recognize her. and let’s not forget that he did theorize the right thing about Olivia in love because indeed she sounded more happy and it’s what he expected when he was with Faux. And if anything the Fakey experience was also a lesson and a hard one that thought him all but to let his guts guide him, and never doubt himself, which is what he did in LSD.
      The story might not have been from Peter’s perspective, but I do understand why the writers choose to do so, and I think that if we looked into it a bit more, we’d realize that the scene in LSD made sense. I also think that the episodes after 6B introduced us to the Olivia we’ve briefly met in the first minutes of the pilot, Olivia in love.
      I think this Peter Olivia knowing each other has taken a whole new sense in season 4, with the Olivia/Not Olivia character we’re seeing these last episodes. Anyway, I hope they find a way back to each other against all odds, as they always do. One thing for sure, no one wants to be in Peter’s or Olivia’s shoes at this point, because their lives suck, and it’s the reason why I want them to comfort and be with each other.
      Ops, sorry for the long post and for any language mistakes.

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    • willg says

      Awesome and eloquent post Rae. I agree with everything you have said. I agree some of the dialogue in 6B could have been better, and the time constraints allowed for us more analyzing things on our own, but overall I was pleased with the way it happened. In regards to this season I am not really tired of this romantic issue with them as some are. I think the reset organically caused this separation and reuniting of them in an interesting an unforced way. Great post.

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      • Wikiaddicted723 says

        You have both hit right on all the points that I think needed to be made about 6b, so thanks for that. I also want to add that thy couldn’t give them more time, as we all would have preferred I’m sure, because they had to deal with all the mythology that needed to keep developing to make the finale possible. It’s like walking on a rope, this show, you need to keep your balance, and that might sometimes mean sacrificing screen time in some aspect of it or another. The fact that they chose to sacrifice some of the romance is like saying ” hey, look, this is still sci fi!”

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      • Rae says

        Willg, I agree with you completely!

        I’m a huge, huge fan of this season, in every one of it’s diverse aspects. I love not only the parallels to the first three seasons, but the differences as well. Overall, the more I re-watch the episodes, the more I enjoy them for what they are.

        And I think all the differences add to the new way the relationship is being handled. And I’m really interested to see it play out in this new setting, under these new circumstances.

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    • lizw65 says

      Very interesting post, Rae. And it brings up another point as well: if we, the audience, hadn’t been in on the secret, would we have focused so much blame on Peter for not guessing the truth? Let’s face it, this season nobody even suspected there were two Ninas until it was obvious that she couldn’t be in two places at once.

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      • Tash says

        ‘if we, the audience, hadn’t been in on the secret’
        well to be fair at the end of season 2 before they revealed (duh duh duhh) it wasn’t her i already guessed that it wasn’t
        And yet it too everyone who actually knew her took weeks to figure it out (i mean if your going to a place where there is 2 of everyone make up a password or something to make sure its actually them!!)
        What i thin would have been pretty cool is if they had made it so you didn’t know there had been a swap and then had revealed it after 4 or 5 episodes which i think would have made more of a impact as you would have thought she was begining to finally be happy then *BAM* its not her!!
        so i think she has the right to be pissed off at him
        although im not quite sure in this new time thingy cos i guess none of that ever happened
        I think the new timeline thing was a interesting thing but now peters reapppeared and has started to form new relationships with all of them i think they are unsure whether they should just let that grow or suddenly jumpstart back to how it was before :)

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        • Darth Kate says

          me too. but my issue is not that peter made a mistake. its that there was no real character arc for him in which he dealt with it. and i guess im just not as forgiving of the writers for cramming as much. id rather have a well thought out story with no ending than a rushed and sloppy one that’s complete.

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    • DeepRunner says

      6B was the payoff for shippers. The profile shot of P/O kissing at the end was what so many Fringies had wanted.

      IMO, Peter’s abject misery was caught in three spots–at the end of Entrada, in Olivia’s hospital room; at the end of Marionette in what may be the most intense break-up scene I’ve seen; and in Firefly, at the assisted living center waiting for Roscoe Joyce, seeing the older couple.

      Olivia was ABSOLUTELY right to feel angry, bitter, and betrayed. As Alt Astrid said, anger is most often attached to feelings of love, and Olivia loved Peter. And Peter loved Olivia, which is why he came back from Over There.

      But Peter was not the only one who fell into Fauxlivia’s…what was the word Walter used? ;)

      No one else detected Fauxlivia. Peter paid the steepest price for his mistake. But along the way to reconciliation, Olivia came to recognize that Peter had never intended to harm or hurt her.

      I’m with Rae on this one.

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      • wikiaddicted723 says

        I agree with all of the above, and I think that, if anything, we’re seeing the results of Altliv’s deception even now. Pre-season 3 Peter would have gladly believed IMO that this Olivia is his Olivia (which would be true anyway), the moment she told him she remembered everything. And what has Peter done? he’s questioned her, questioned himself and everybody else that might be involved. He’s terrified of making that mistake all over again.

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        • says

          “I agree with all of the above, and I think that, if anything, we’re seeing the results of Altliv’s deception even now. Pre-season 3 Peter would have gladly believed IMO that this Olivia is his Olivia (which would be true anyway), the moment she told him she remembered everything. And what has Peter done? he’s questioned her, questioned himself and everybody else that might be involved. He’s terrified of making that mistake all over again.”

          Exactly! He is doing this season what he should have done last season. The second he feels doubtful about who she is, he pulls back immediately and re-examines the situation. It’s frustrating that people criticized Peter for not being cautious enough last season and this season they’re criticizing him for being too cautious. He just can’t win. :)

          I 100% agree with Darth Kate regarding her assessment of the relationship as portrayed in season 3. The drama surrounding the relationship sometimes overshadowed the relationship itself to the point that it didn’t come across as genuine. It was rushed and sometimes poorly written and it didn’t do either Peter or Olivia any justice. I’m a big fan of this season since I feel like the relationship has been slowly developing very nicely, it’s much more genuine and sincere, and the acting from both Josh and Anna is so much better.

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  10. LMH says

    Ahhh wish I had time to post a more lengthy comment! I agree that Anna is so fantastic as conflicted Olivia, I had to watch that preview twice. And we have the gorgeous white tulips beside her and Nina the whole time representing Peter and Olivia’s connection (as well as Walter’s search for forgiveness and redemption). I was wondering if maybe his saving our Peter and bringing he and Olivia together could be that redemption. It’s a nice idea and may be connected to the use of the tulips =)

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    • scully8 says

      Maybe . . . I like the idea of Walter’s redemption being connected to P/O coming together and possibly to save the universes as well. :)

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    • shidey17 says

      Me too. I don’t think anything is done accidentally in Fringe. If a room is painted red, there’s a reason. If there are white tulips on the table….there must be a reason….

      I also like the idea of redemption for Walter….and maybe in this timeline the white tulips are a symbol of that like you said….I like how in this new timeline we see things recycled. They may not have happened the same way, but the symbols carry over and remind us of things from the original timeline.

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    • Anne in Van says

      Finally! I was reading through all the comments to see if anyone posted about the white tulips and was pretty surprised no one did. Et voilà! Well said, I like the interpretation you made LMH :)

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    • shidey17 says

      We must all be extra passionate, bored, or desperate for some Fringe to be commenting so much. I know it’s not boredom for me! How about you guys?

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      • willg says

        Definitely Fringe withdrawl. I have like seventy something posts on here this month when I ususally have ten at the most. Though I gotta admit it has been fun. One more day till A Short Story About Love. I cannot wait!

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  11. Geoff says

    I rewatched the last episode. The key is the tape overdub thing.

    Basically, we are in the old universe overdubbed so you can still see traces that were overwritten.

    They mentioned that the guy on the tape that died 3 years ago in a car accident. Which means he was in the old timeline. In the new timeline, he died 3 years ago.

    In other words, this is our Olivia. She remembers the old timeline because traces of it still remain and cannot be erased completely. They should figure it out, I would think, by the end of the episode. Maybe the next one.

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  12. DeepRunner says

    All I can say is…if this ends up as Olivia and LINCOLN instead of Olivia and PETER, then there will be some unhappy Fringies…In the video clip from WonderCon, Pinkner and Wyman only promised a payoff for the shippers…they just didn’t say which set.

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    • willg says

      Trust me, do not worry about that. Our Lincoln and our Olivia will not get together. The writers said that Peter and Olivia were destined and so it will be. I really like the romance story, but I hope they get together and wrap that part of it up soon. Whether it is true or not it feels like it has drug on a little too long. Still love it though.

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