FRINGE: 4.03 Alone In The World

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FRINGEY FIGURE CONNECTED TO CREEPY CASE ON AN ALL-NEW “FRINGE” FRIDAY, OCTOBER 7, ON FOX

When two 12-year-old kids bully another boy, they are found dead and in just hours after dying their bodies are shockingly in an advanced state of decomposition. As the Fringe team investigates the mysterious case, they uncover an amorphous figure claiming more victims. Meanwhile, Walter becomes increasingly distracted by his hallucinations in the all-new “Alone in the World​” episode of FRINGE airing Friday, Oct. 7 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR 4.03) (TV-14 L, V)

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth; Seth Gabel as Lincoln Lee.

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  1. Ben says

    Walter reveals that when he and Peter arrived back from Over There, the ice they were on broke and Peter died. What’s interesting about this is that the difference between this timeline and the previous one is that September wasn’t there to save Peter. Especially interesting since September is essentially “saving” Peter now by refusing to wipe him from time.

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    • Rick Terry says

      Think Violet Sedan Chair Lead singer’s son. His name escapes me. But think along those lines, and perhaps September in this timeline took Peter out of time sometime before this happened, or shortly thereafter. Revived him, and placed him somewhere to hide him. Maybe Over there. Maybe Over Here. I think this is how Peter comes back. But then how will that Peter have THE Peter’s memories. Stream of thought here, I digress…

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  2. megan says

    Awesome episode. I just wanted to give Aaron and Walter and hug! They were just so sad. Sometimes child actors annoy me, but the boy who played Aaron did a very good job of portraying sadness.
    So Olivia sees Peter in her dreams?! Very interesting.

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    • says

      “So Olivia sees Peter in her dreams?! Very interesting.”

      …and her drawing of “Peter” looks very similar to “Mr.X”. He too was in her mind, and he knew who Peter was…time to fire up Season 3’s ‘Lysergic Acid Diethylamide’.

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    • Peanut says

      I thought that there was a parallel of the child to Olivia aside from the drawing. Olivia, as a child, preferred to be a lab rat in the cortexiphan trials rather than be at home with the abusive stepfather. While Aaron was apparently neglected rather than abused, he also preferred being in the lab with Walter to going back to stay with the neighbor. Maybe strawberry milkshakes make up for the needles in the lab.

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  3. hal says

    intense.. strangely effective.. almost speaks to the soul on a deeper level, a philosophical/metaphysical/spiritual message of sorts..

    oddly reflective.. and human. that was it.

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    • KLA says

      Hal —- you expressed exactly what I was thinking!!!!! The character interactions were deep and meaningful, and especially the Olivia/Lincoln “how are you doing” chat. The tie in when Lincoln was let go by the mold was nice too. For one split second, however, I thought I saw some stars in Lincoln eyes when looking at Olivia. That is a big no no for me. Poor Walter, and the kid– how sad. Sniff, sniff.

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  4. says

    Was it just me? Or did anyone else catch an inordinate amount of bald actors in this episode?

    It could just be a coincidence. Most of the ones that caught my eye were various FBI agents at the crime scenes. A nice cleanly shaven head, or very tight buzz cut probably isn’t that unusual at a government agency. Broyles set the bar high!

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  5. MISSNETT says

    I definitly liked this episode more than I expected!! The previews didn’t do it justice! I was totally surprised that Olivia was seeing Peter also. Great reveal! Can’t wait to see Peter!!!

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  6. M.F says

    I was surprised to learn that Olivia was seeing, even in dreams, Peter! For a moment I thought he was just leaving Walter crazy! Now we also know that Olivia is having visions of the boy – who-supposedly-not-exist! This is really getting better and better!

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    • FinChase says

      When they showed Olivia drawing at work and she immediately covered it up, I knew it had to be a picture of Peter she was drawing. I thought perhaps he was appearing to her. It makes more sense that he is appearing in her dreams, though, as this would bother and puzzle her, but not necessarily make her doubt her sanity.

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      • M.F says

        I had the same certainty when I saw that she was hacking on the database as face recognition!When I saw her hold a folded paper I was sure it was something related to it! This keeps getting better

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        • Schwakamole says

          Actually, she had a rendered image of his face up on her computer just before Lincoln stopped by. I saw it right away and thought it was Peter and then when she folded her paper and screensavered her screen, I knew what it was.

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          • mlj102 says

            Wow, I’m really impressed by all of you. I didn’t realize the significance of her with a pencil and paper and looking up faces until the second time I watched the episode. At that point, I remembered the ending and it clicked in place for me. Yeah, I was slow on that one. But can I just say, it’s that kind of thing that I love about Fringe. They plant the seed in something seemingly insignificant, only to later connect back to that small detail and reveal it as much more relevant. It’s awesome!

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      • Dessy says

        Agreed! I was wondering about that, but then as the episode went on I assumed it was just wishful thinking on my part that she’d seen him. At the end I was like, “Oh my God! I knew it!”
        :)

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  7. okabekah says

    Amen. I clapped out loud for about a minute after that episode. John Noble’s speech caused me to break down, and the way the episode was composed just astounds me. John Noble needs an Emmy. THIS SHOW NEEDS AN EMMY!

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    • Cody says

      I agree! The emotion in this episode and lasts episode was so heart-felt. It was defiantly not this much emotion last season, in my opinion.

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  8. KLA says

    At the beginning of the episode, I was saying to myself “ENOUGH ALREADY- JUST BRING PETER BACK.” But at the end, I was happy with the way that they weaved Peter in. I should have known better than to doubt the writers.

    There were so many littel things in here, that I need time to digest it all.

    And, the scenes for next week looK POSITIVELY EPIC. Cannot wait. Too bad I will be at Dsinelyand on Friday night. Sigh . . . .

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    • alexis says

      i’m really enjoying the way peter is being introduced back in the story. i want him back asap too, but i think this plot of progressively making the others aware of him will make for a much better story!

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  9. Schwakamole says

    I love how they played on the fact that it was Aaron’s emotional center that connected him to Gus which, to me, foreshadows how they’re going to get Peter back. It will be the emotions that they will connect to that will bring him back. And just like Aaron was the the one blocking them from disconnecting, I think Walter has been the one blocking the connecting to Peter.

    Walter was great in this episode. So tragic. I did a huge “Oh no!” when I saw the lobotomy textbook. Loved when he took the pad away and claimed he wasn’t crazy after all. Loved his interaction with Broyles while hearing Peter’s voice. I would feel crazy too! But really, if Peter is trying to break through, he must not see or know the situations that the others are in. Why would Peter badger Walter when he’s in the middle of a conversation when he knows that would make him look even crazier. And why, whenever we see Peter’s reflection is he just sitting there with a silly little smirk on his face. You’d think he’d be trying to talk to Walter or something. It’s almost as if Walter’s hearing/seeing echos of Peter, like he’s out of sync with their timeline so he’s always barging in at inopportune times.

    And unlike Walter, Olivia is not being contacted by Peter (yet) but is dreaming of him. And emotional memory with a face. I think they could have nuanced this in a little bit better. Even an allusion to her not sleeping well or something. But at least she’s been dreaming of it enough to be spending time at work trying to figure out who he is.

    So I’m really liking OH Lincoln. They are quickly building the rapport that Lincolnate and Altlivia have on the other side. I’m not sure if I’m sensing him (OH Lincoln) starting to have a crush on Olivia similar to his doppleganger – he may be but it could just be them becoming good partners. I wonder what they’re going to do with him when Peter returns. I hope they don’t kill him off. I like him now.

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    • teenymarie says

      Peter can never win can he? All he gets is criticism, criticism after criticism. He is trying to get through to his FATHER. I mean come on.

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      • Natasha says

        Calm down, Peter is a fictional character. Also, he wasn’t being criticised, Schwakamole was pointing out that Peter wouldn’t try to make Walter look unstable in front of Broyles on purpose and that he must be out of sync with our universe, hence all the ghostly rumblings. Reading comprehension is good.

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    • mlj102 says

      “Why would Peter badger Walter when he’s in the middle of a conversation when he knows that would make him look even crazier. And why, whenever we see Peter’s reflection is he just sitting there with a silly little smirk on his face.”

      Good points (made me laugh, too!), and I had similar thoughts during this episode. It seems like Peter is aware of them (didn’t he say something like “I can see you” at some point while talking to Walter?)… Maybe he’s not in control of when he’s able to break through to Walter. Perhaps he is there shouting at Walter constantly and trying to communicate with him, but there are only a few moments when it actually comes through as something Walter can perceive. As for his reflection, I like your suggestion that it’s more like an echo. I think that’s a good way of describing it.

      “And unlike Walter, Olivia is not being contacted by Peter (yet) but is dreaming of him. And emotional memory with a face. I think they could have nuanced this in a little bit better. Even an allusion to her not sleeping well or something.”

      I actually thought it was very appropriate that Peter has managed to filter into their lives in ways that are appropriate for their individual characters. Walter, who’s mentally unstable, perceives him as a voice in his head and an occasional reflection. I remember considering the idea that it was the very fact that Walter was crazy and taking who knows what kinds of medications that made him more susceptable to sensing Peter. On the other hand, it wouldn’t make as much sense for Olivia, who is very clear minded and structured and sensible, to see Peter like that (yes, she had visions of him when she was on the other side, but that was different). It seems more reasonable for me to think that she would see him in her sleep, when she’s more open and has let her guard down. I don’t think there’s any reason to consider the dreams as nuanced or not as relevant. We don’t know what her dreams are like or what Peter says to her in those dreams. I don’t see why seeing Peter would have to be something unsettling that causes her to not be sleeping well. The simple fact that she’s having these dreams consistently and that they’ve been powerful enough for her to retain the memory and to take the initiative to look in to trying to identify him is enough for me. I certainly think it qualifies as Peter attempting to contact her, just as he’s trying to contact Walter. They’re just perceiving it in different ways that fit with their characters.

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        • Schwakamole says

          The way you describe it, mlj, makes sense. I guess Peter could be attemting to contact her. Yet I guess it resonates with me more that she would be dreaming about him all on her own, and frequently enough and intensely enough that she would be trying to determine where she had seen him before. Like the imprint you see when you close your eyes after seeing something in bright light.

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      • FringeFriday says

        I had the feeling, Peter is in between the two universes right now. I heard “I can see you” and I thought, wow, he must be running around the lab all the time without anyone noticing him. I am so curious how they will introduce him back to us.

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        • lizw65 says

          What I’m wondering is, are Walternate and Fauxlivia having visions of Peter as well? After all, their lives were heavily influenced by him prior to the new, Amber timeline–and it strikes me that if Peter is serious about uniting the two universes, he should be reaching out to the alternates too.

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  10. J.P. says

    I thought that, out of the first three episodes of this season, this one was the best. John Noble brought his all tonight. FRINGE is returning to its epic, emotional roots! Can’t wait for next week — the pace is really kicking up. And, after watching this episode, I’ve decided to name my first born child “Gus”.

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  11. JM says

    Reading all the above comments, i do feel a bit guilty for saying i did not enjoy this episode very much, it just seemed like more character development for characters that i do not want to stick around, i agree, again this episode was technically good, but ultimately is more preamble for the juicy stuff, which from the promo, is happening next week.

    I must admit the first two episodes had made my distaste for lincoln lee (both versions) subside, however this episode brought back that distaste, i cant give a specific reason, i just found him irritating. I also find it completely unrealistic (as this is FRINGE i use this term very loosely) that the universes are continuing to focus on little cases when their universes are breaking down!

    Sorry more complaints (promise ill be done soon), yet again there was no Nina (but atleast we got a reference, and she is in the next episode), both astrid’s and broyles screentime is ridiculously limited and Olivia takes up a HUGE chunk of the screentime (i know shes the main character and anna torv’s great and everything, but has anyone else noticed that she is taking up loads more screentime than in previous seasons?) atleast we got more walter than last week, and as usual john noble gives an astounding performance.

    As usual, despite my whining i will continue to watch FRINGE no matter what, but i am still not invested in this newverse, and i do hope that will change soon, i am very glad peter is coming back soon.

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    • mlj102 says

      “i cant give a specific reason, i just found him irritating.”

      I agree that I had no real complaints for Lincoln in the first two episodes this season, but this episode just didn’t sit right with me. Personally, I just found him to be completely uninteresting. There was no substance to his character and he didn’t seem to contribute any sort of presence to the scenes he was in. And, I can’t help but get the impression that they’re trying to push a bit of a Lincoln/Olivia relationship at us, at least a one-sided one from Lincoln’s side, and I really don’t like it at all. For one, if the Peter/Olivia relationship wasn’t earned, as many still claim, then a Lincoln/Olivia relationship most definitely hasn’t been earned. I guess it wouldn’t be so bad if Lincoln had a sort of unrequited crush on Olivia, but I still feel like they’re overdoing it. But maybe I’m imagining things or over reacting somewhat.

      “both astrid’s and broyles screentime is ridiculously limited and Olivia takes up a HUGE chunk of the screentime”

      Well, I can’t argue with the claim that Astrid and Broyles have received little screentime, though to be fair, I feel like they have still had a decent amount of time — Astrid especially in this episode — but, similar to Lincoln, there’s just little substance to it. They’re only in a scene to round it out, provide information, provide a specific role, and nothing more. They aren’t really contributing something deeper, if that makes sense. They just need a bit more purpose. As for Olivia, personally, I felt like her role was significantly more limited in this episode than in the past two. She was certainly in the episode, leading up the case and such, as she should be, but it was just here and there. I didn’t feel like there was an overwhelming focus on her in this episode.

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      • JM says

        Based on your comments i would revise my opinion on the focus on olivia this episode, however i would argue there was huge focus on her in the first two (especially the second) episode.

        With regards to Lincoln, i think i can pinpoint the standout moment that made my teeth set on edge. The bit after olivia had got him away from gus and he said “i feel a little freaked out, wanna talk about it?” it just felt so corny and…. i dont know i just didnt like it :L

        I wholeheartedly agree with your “substance” comments in regard to lincoln, astrid and broyles, though it could be argued this has been the norm for the first 3 seasons :/

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        • Dylan says

          I find it especially strange that Lincoln, having only worked on one case with the Fringe division, is now walking around and always being present as if he’s on par with Olivia.

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          • JM says

            I find it incomprehensible that lincoln a newbie regular has managed to get more screen time than astrid and broyles combined in the first 3 episodes, i wants me some astrid, nina and broyles…. and of course Peter, (who looks to be much more interesting this season…and omg might he have something to do!)

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            • Why? says

              Yes, too much Lincoln.
              Please more Astrid, Nina and Broyles.
              I keep saying thing for three years now….the writers won’t listen…they like their Linci

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        • nora says

          I think he said “You look a little freaked out…”, which is a bit more original. He appreciates the gesture, but he’s not a green newcomer who needs protection, they are partners. He could have been harsh, but he solved the situation with humor.

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        • says

          “i feel a little freaked out, wanna talk about it?”
          My friends and I all burst out laughing when Lincoln said that. I thought that it was hilarious. An icebreaker, and a great way to reduce the tension.
          It also shows that Lincoln fully trusts Olivia, and can talk to her about anything. Olivia has Lincoln’s back, will always be watching out for him and vice versa. They are partners.

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          • mlj102 says

            “It also shows that Lincoln fully trusts Olivia, and can talk to her about anything. Olivia has Lincoln’s back, will always be watching out for him and vice versa. They are partners.”

            My problem with this is that it’s just too soon. I really don’t mind at all if they are partners who trust each other and support each other. But it’s been three weeks. A close, deep relationship like that doesn’t develop that easily. It is built from shared experiences. And they haven’t yet had those kinds of experiences that would bring them together in that way. It seems unrealistic that they would have developed that sort of a bond this quickly. Olivia is naturally someone who is slow to trust and confide in people around her. And Lincoln just lost his partner — that should make him distant and reluctant to have a new partnership like that when his loss is still so recent.

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          • fringefan2009 says

            Agreed, I thought that line was hilarious. I also really enjoy the fact that Olivia, and Astrid seem to really care about Walter more than previously. I don’t know how to explain it, it seems that Olivia is much more willing to take the time to care about how Walter was feeling. I did not feel that to this degree when Peter was around, meaning that since he does not exist, she has to fill that role.

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      • scully8 says

        I totally agree with the L/O thing. I don’t dislike Lincoln, I actually like the OT Lincoln, but he isn’t registering with me. Also, if they are trying to put Lincoln and Olivia together it will feel forced. This L/O haven’t clicked yet — I don’t see the chemistry.

        I did enjoy this episode after a second watch. I think it was better because Walter was really the featured player. I love the new relationship Olivia has with Walter.

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        • JM says

          In regards to the whole lincoln/olivia thing, was i the only one who got the feeling they were trying to confirm they werent gonna go down this route with atleast the over here versions in the second episode, when olivia said he wasnt her type. If they did go down that route it would be horrible for two reasons, one: if wyman/pinkner insist on having romance on the show, they can please just stick with the romance they’ve already made, dont need any more melodrama. two: if seth gabel and anna torv played brother and sister on a tv show or film, i would definately buy it, so to me it would be absoloutely wrong if they had a romantic relationship, cause without the red wig anna torv just looks like seth gabels older sister :L

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    • Dylan says

      “I also find it completely unrealistic (as this is FRINGE i use this term very loosely) that the universes are continuing to focus on little cases when their universes are breaking down!”

      I hear you.

      I’ve also been wondering whether or not the two sides are exchanging technology, especially given that one side is miles ahead of the other in terms of medical research.

      “I know shes the main character and anna torv’s great and everything, but has anyone else noticed that she is taking up loads more screentime than in previous seasons?”

      I was confused as to why, when the man from Massive Dynamic arrived, they decided that Olivia needed to be there with Lincoln Lee. I mean, what was the point of her or Lincoln being there?

      Also, on a side note, I was particularly annoyed that the agents all went in to these sights wearing no suits (minus the morgue scene) and with so many people – especially given that it was always dark and that the creature responded to physical contact.

      I also was a little dumbfounded as to where this creature came from. More so by the fact that nobody throughout the episode seemed to be wondering that either.

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      • matt says

        i was also a little bit baffled by why nobody was interested in the origins and abilities etc of such a fascinating creature, and wouldn’t/shouldn’t the answer also answer the question of why they were interested in such a comparatively ‘small’ case (are the worlds no longer decaying, and then as a result they don’t have bigger cases to work on, they do anything really really weird and unexplainable like in the 1st season?)?

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      • Schwakamole says

        Dylan, I’m right there with you on the lack of biohazard suits. They said earlier that all they had to do was touch the thing and it would grab onto you so why in the world would they go in there unprotected. All the scenes with Gus kinda took me out of it because they weren’t dealing with it as aggressively as they should have. Like when it was going down the drain, they didn’t do a blessed thing! And MD guy going in there with a big syringe? C’mon. Okay, done ranting.

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      • fringefan2009 says

        Here is a possible explanation as to why the team has to focus on the small cases as well as the big ones. I think that a relatively small group of people have a general understanding of what Fringe division does. During the pilot, although they were working on strange events, they could still easily link it to a plane crash where a good amount of people died. The public cares about what happened, thus, it makes sense to throw a huge amount of resources at it. But now, since everything is kept secret, they still need to justify spending the amount of money they are spending and produce. To my knowledge, they are the only division that does what they do, therefore they cannot just ignore cases that pop up. The death of two kids initiated the investigation, and it had the potential to kill many more people. Personally, I can’t see of any way that the team could not work on this case. Plus, on the TV show side, it really helps keep a good balance for viewers.

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    • lizw65 says

      “I also find it completely unrealistic (as this is FRINGE i use this term very loosely) that the universes are continuing to focus on little cases when their universes are breaking down!”

      I understand the frustration some people have with this, but is it possible that the bridge Peter created has stabilized the breakdown of the universes temporarily? We’re not seeing the exponential breakdown of Over Here that started last season with 6B and accellerated after the machine was activated, so it definitely looks to me as though things have settled down somewhat.

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  12. mlj102 says

    First things first:

    I’m typically not one to boast, but it’s also incredibly rare that my theories are actually right, so I just want to point out that I actually guessed correctly about how the events of the past regarding Peter played out in this new timeline. If you’ll all indulge me for a brief moment, as quoted from a comment I’d made earlier: “Or, perhaps he did cross over to save Peter, but was unsuccessful in this new timeline. Perhaps everything happened as it did before, except the observer didn’t rescue Peter from drowning in the lake, so Walter managed to survive, but Peter didn’t. That would certainly explain Walter’s behavior even more because he feels directly responsible for killing Peter.” I was absolutely delighted when Walter’s story confirmed this theory!

    Anyway, end of boasting. Everyone can just move along now. :)

    Now that I’ve got that out, moving on to more important things…

    I must say, I have been surprised by the general tone of all the comments so far about the episode. It seems most people really liked it — certainly more than I was expecting. While I could certainly appreciate the message this story conveyed and the various parallels between Walter and Aaron, I have to say that I felt that the actual story in this episode was pretty awful. In all honesty, I have to consider it one of the worst Fringe cases yet. I mean, the whole premise was far-fetched and exceptionally strange, even for Fringe standards, which is saying something. An unidentifiable, lonely creature that is capable of spreading itself by exploding in puffs of spores, develops an emotional connection with a young boy. Really? We’re supposed to just accept that explanation? Sure, it was touching to see how sad Aaron was, and the connection between him and Walter was sweet. But as a whole, it felt shallow, forced, and like the whole premise was a huge stretch that just didn’t work for me.

    That said, beyond the case itself, there were plenty of things to redeem this episode: Dr. Sumner’s return, great music selection, classical Fringe humor, fantastic acting, character depth and exploration, and of course the development of the Peter storyline. It was pretty neat to watch Walter use every bit of self control that he had to try to ignore his visions of Peter and the voice he heard. And I could only stare in disbelief when I realized that Walter was actually going to attempt a lobotomy on himself. Now that’s desperation! And I found the reveal at the end that Olivia has been seeing Peter in her dreams to be unexpected and rewarding.

    Overall, I would consider it the weakest episode of the season, for sure, but certainly with some redeeming qualities.

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    • JM says

      absoloutely agree everything you are saying, i have to say i have not fully enjoyed a single episode of season 4 yet, its like theirs a block in my mind, constantly saying these are not our characters, these are filler standalones, where the hell is peter, hurry up already. :L

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      • JM says

        I will also say, i absoloutely hope i am not right but, with this attempt to gain new viewers, not only have they not gained any new viewers according to nielsen, they have infact managed to alienate some viewers they already had! but we will see when the ratings come out, its fair to say i expect poor ratings, but am hoping (of course!) for high ratings, 11 million sounds about right

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      • HSN says

        I am unable to agree that the recent episodes were fillers as they were addressing the impact of the rewritten timeline and disappearance of Peter.

        The true fillers were season 3’s Soul Magnet Arc which was completely crap.

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          • Dylan says

            I’m envisioning Man X to be this random character that only shows up whenever Fringe has one of its unique episodes. That’s my guess.

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        • Dylan says

          It depends on what happens when Peter gets back. Either we render these episodes as filler, or we unfortunately render everything before this season as filler.

          But god forbid should this ever get on par with that soul-magnet garbage.

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          • matt says

            they are filler in the sense that they are filling the time between Peter disappearing and reappearing, yes, but why does that have to be a bad thing? Peter disappeared and will reappear, this happened and is going to happen. what did people think was going to happen in the mean time? and clearly Peter’s reappearance is now heavily linked to the Observers and the mythology so it will hopefully be quite large in terms of containing story. why aren’t some people enjoying this interesting sort of commentary on its self that FRINGE is able to do in the mean time? it’s the 7th incarnation of the characters we’ve been shown yet, how can anyone possibly find them less interesting this time? I find it/them quite compelling. more so than much of last season. I honestly like this season a lot so far (the 2 over here episodes more so, but)

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            • Dylan says

              What I mean is that if Peter returns and everything goes back to normal, then why have him disappear in the first place?

              I suppose people would have been enjoying it more if this season wasn’t both likely to be the last and hadn’t come off the heels of season 3.

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      • Dylan says

        Yes. Even though my personal comment on the episode may seem contrary to this statement, I too have not yet fully enjoyed a single episode of season 4.

        I can’t help by over-analyze every episode.

        I only enjoyed this one on a certain level because it managed to distract me from the issues I have with the show right now. Now that the episode is over however…

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      • mlj102 says

        I still can’t really agree with the opinion that these episodes are just filler episodes. This timeline is where the story has taken our characters. And they are still our characters — different from not having known Peter, but still our characters. The things that are happening right now are relevant and I believe they will continue to be significant as the show continues. As for the things from last season, Peter will be our connection to that, preventing those things from being dropped and becoming meaningless. Perhaps they’ll find a resolution that blends the two together. No one can really say for sure right now. But the things that are happening now are all part of the story — it’s not all just meaningless filler. Though I know there are those who can’t see it that way…

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    • Jen says

      First of all, kudos on your proven theory. Thanks for the rest of your post as it is basically how I feel as well. Like JM, I feel sorta bad about not really enjoying this episode because everyone else seemed to like it so much. I too found the case-of-the-week a bit too far-fetched even for Fringe. I also agree with you about the high points of the episode. “The Mighty Quinn” was a great musical choice. I liked the call back to Season 1 with the visit of Dr. Sumner. And I’m relieved to know that Nina does still exist even if I haven’t seen her yet. I think it goes without saying that John Noble is the finest actor on network TV. He shined in this episode. And at the risk of sounding stupid, I will admit that I thought Walter was trying to remove his eyes so he wouldn’t see Peter anymore. I thought, “well, Walter will still hear him.” So thanks for pointing out that he was trying to do a lobotomy. That makes much more sense.
      I’m excited about next week though as it seems I will finally get to see Nina again and it appears that the episode may focus on the subject we all really want to know about – Where is Peter Bishop?

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    • Dylan says

      I was confused as to why, if September hadn’t been interfering, Walter still had to go over there. After all, he only went over there initially because September had distracted Walternate from seeing that he had discovered the cure for Peter’s condition.

      so…yeah.

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      • FringeFriday says

        I was wondering about that, too. If September didn’t interfere with Walternate, he must have seen that his cure worked. Walter saw it, so why did he have to cross over….?? I guess September’s actions Over There were “correct” but he only interfered at the lake, which needed correction. “They must not know that the boy lived to be a man”- so I guess he had to die in both universes…

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      • mlj102 says

        September preventing Walternate from seeing the cure was unintentional — it wasn’t a conscious choice on September’s part. Therefore, one could argue that he was bound to repeat that mistake again. But he made an active choice to intervene and save Peter in the lake. That was how he corrected his initial mistake. So in this timeline, the mistake was the same, but how he responded to that mistake differed. Works for me.

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        • Dylan says

          maybe, but if he was purposely and able to change things around to make Peter non-existent then surely he would have just stopped himself altogether from making that mistake in ‘Peter’.

          Therefore everything would have returned to the way it was meant to be all along.

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      • Mel says

        Did you catch that Walter said he intended to bring Peter back with him to cure him? In the OT, Walter intended to cure Peter Over There, but couldn’t because the vial broke. Bringing him back OH was a last resort. I think this speaks quite a bit to walter’s motivation.

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        • Drenami says

          THANK YOU!! This has been really really bugging me since I heard Walter tell Aaron the story of Peter. It makes me wonder if the ‘pivitol moment’ where the timeline split was NOT the lake. It also makes me wonder if a person’s Intent can change things just like Thoughts and Emotions(not just Action) Once again, thanks Mel, glad I wasn’t the only one to notice that. :)

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          • Mel Duff says

            It’s still Mel, I’m just posting as Mel Duff now because someone else is posting as Mel. I completely agree with you about “intent” causing change, because I feel this is the true purpose of the Observers. Their actions are secondary to their intent (or purpose, if you want to call it that instead). Great point, Dremani.

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    • Dylan says

      “I mean, the whole premise was far-fetched and exceptionally strange, even for Fringe standards, which is saying something. An unidentifiable, lonely creature that is capable of spreading itself by exploding in puffs of spores, develops an emotional connection with a young boy”

      one of the reasons why I didn’t really like the third act all that much…

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      • Schwakamole says

        Mlj, I had a love/hate with this episode. I loved all the Walter scenes and his extreme fear of going insane again. But really, truly insane people wouldn’t care, right? Which tells me that Walter is actually quite sane. Anyway, his relationship with Aaron and all that was great. I hated the case of the week crazy sentient fungus line. It possibly could have been a great episode had they really delved into it better but as it was, it was totally half-baked.

        And since they started the season so incredibly awesome with September I was totally bummed to have that whole thing dropped for 2 whole episodes! We know that those Observers have their dirty little hands into everything so why can’t we see more of that!

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    • Alaina says

      I completely agree about the plot being ridiculous! And while I do enjoy the parallels drawn between the case and our characters, this episode felt a little bit predictable to me. Which has never happened to me on Fringe before! As soon as I saw the kid in the lab with Walter I was like “Ok, well here is how we are going to find out about what actually happened to the Peter of this timeline.” Snooze. :/

      Dylan: “I only enjoyed this one on a certain level because it managed to distract me from the issues I have with the show right now. Now that the episode is over however…”

      This is how I have felt about the season so far. While I am watching I am engaged and the stories are engrossing…but as soon as the episode is over I feel a bit frustrated and unfulfilled. With this ep I didn’t have that feeling as much because the end was GREAT!! BUT as soon as the case was over I saw that there was still 5 min left in the ep and thought “Oh good they are actually going to address the real issue here!”…again kinda predictable. I don’t know…I feel very torn this season!

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    • fringefan2009 says

      Ah MLJ, I really love reading your comments, but one thing…although I agree with you, there were definitely some disconnects between the story and explanation of the story, I really enjoyed watching it. I think everything else was wonderful.

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  13. says

    Oh! my! God! Whát an awesome episode!
    First of all, i loved to see Bill Sadler as the psychiatrist in the beginning of the show, i’m a big fan of him.
    Second, i really felt for Walter this episode. John Noble finally protrayed him as a real frightened, brilliant and insane person all at the same time. Excellent actingwork on his part.
    I loved the entire story, made me even feel like is was watching a Star Trek TOS episode, with the fungus as a brain. I loved it for one.

    Also , the way Peter is surfacing in this episode is very believable; i accepted that he is trying to show himself to anyone he knows and it’s well portrayed.

    I give this one a 9/10. Storywise, Fringewise, actionwise, but mostly emotionwise. The insanity of Walter, the lonelyness of the boy, the warm feelings that Olivia is showing for Lincoln, a heartwarming performance by Astrid, ad the cold and to the point performance of Broyles, all were excellent.

    But: am i the only one that is missing Nina? Where is she? And where is Massive Dynamic? I miss them…

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  14. Dylan says

    Felt a lot better about this week’s episode that the last two.

    Things felt a lot more genuine, and there was progress on the Peter front – making this quite the mythalone.

    I appreciated that there was less heavy-handed dialogue this week, meaning that we didn’t have to be hit over the head with such obvious references to Peter.

    I did think that the third act was somewhat rushed, and the solution a little too simple. Nevertheless, I actually enjoyed the episode – as whatever it was doing worked to distract me from the issues I’ve lately.

    Trust Walter to guide me back into it.

    I’m still having investment issues, the budget (except this week’s creature-effects) still looks to have been reduced, and the plot holes left over from last season’s finale remain, but I came out of this episode feeling a lot better than I did after the last two.

    Let’s just see where we go from here.

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  15. Kira says

    This was a very good episode, I’m tempted to give it a ten.
    Oh well, 10 it is. The first of this season. :)
    John Noble!!! [bow]

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  16. Dessy says

    That was one of my favourite endings to an episode ever! It was so……….fulfilling
    This season is just rapidly getting better and better. The fungus case was very very interesting. And Olivia seems so much more sympathetic now! And explanations were given (Walter did go get alternate Peter, but this time the Observer didn’t stop him from drowning), but with a lot of doors still left open (how does that connect to Peter and the machine?). I actually like that they didn’t tell us Olivia was dreaming of Peter earlier. It made the revelation much more dramatic.This is definitely my best episode so far in season 4.
    Also: Broyles was awesome in this episode. But still, where was Nina Sharp??
    9 stars. ( One extra simply for that ending)
    I am bouncing on my toes waiting for subject 9.

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  17. Dylan says

    This episode was ‘Earthling’ meets ‘What Lies Below’, with a small touch of ‘Night of Desirable Objects’.

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  18. matt says

    THAT WAS AWESOME! raises a few questions (why did September not save Peter this time, was he no longer ‘important’ because he’d served his purpose last time – loop – around? and if Peter is real because Olivia and Walter can see him, I wonder what’s happenin with the X man, he real too? is he Peter? if so how/why?)

    what I really find odd is September not saving Peter because if you sort of unroll the time loop and look at it linearly,
    last time around he distracts Walternate, who was going to save Peter, so he later saves Peter (and Walter) from dying over here in the lake because Peter is important and is supposed to live and he screwed that up by distracting Walternate by trying to witness the important moment of Walternate saving Peter (important because Peter is important) and he lets Walter raise him, then when Peter gets in the machine, he serves his purpose and bridges the worlds but is somehow erased from time. this time around, September still distracts Walternate, but does not save Peter,
    then that means that he was basically intentionally killing the new timeline’s over there Peter so (since over here Peter died both times from the disease and over there Peter drown this time, the only form of Peter, the Peter we know, is the only one left and September, having had a change of heart, after letting this time lines over there Peter die, then did not delete the last remaining form/essence of Peter, the Peter we know, so he can bleed through and there is no conflict in the form of an over there peter already existing here in the new timeline and then when he does come through/back, to them he is another Peter altogether, he is Peter from the last/original(to us the audience) time line and sort of fills the void, the Peter-less-ness, of both universes (but is technically still over there Peter, Walternate’s son, but now a different Walternate and a different over there so he’s a Peter sort of equally attached to both new time line universes, emotionally – unless of course his returning their memories, should he somehow do that, does something unforeseen and crazy, which it likely would should it happen, and totally throws everything I just said out the window) how exactly this all works is something I can’t wait to find out! this new season is killing it! a 10 a 7 and a 10 for me! so far so good!

    let’s gooo next week! I think it just might possibly be a zinger!

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    • Alaina says

      Wow. That made my head hurt. But it is a valid point to make which leaves us with a gaping plot hole which I hope the writers plan to address!!

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    • fringefan2009 says

      You know, I wonder if Olivia is seeing Man X just like she is seeing Peter. Meaning, maybe they’ve changed the timeline before, and this is not the first time. Maybe, she knew this person in a previous version and that is how it manifests (leaks) in the the current timeline for her. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

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  19. Dylan says

    You know what I’d like ‘Man X’ to be revealed as being?

    A rogue-Observer. Like that guy we saw in ‘The Arrival’ that had one of the Observer-weapons.

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    • says

      Olivia knows mr. X is going to kill here. In 4.02 we learn that Olivia killed her stepfather. I say her stepfather knew of the other universe and that Alt-stepfather is now coming for her to finish her off.

      Mr. X will be Alt-stepfather.

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      • Dylan says

        well…that was certainly an unexpected theory lol

        maybe, maybe. With so little information to go on – anything’s possible!

        All I know is that, if Mr X comes back and steals the show in his episode, then I might get myself a shirt with a giant X on it and wear it proudly… (I’m a real nerd, at heart)

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  20. Mel says

    Last week the case was more interesting than the the regular characters and this week it was the other way around. I can live with that. John Noble killed it once again, but I have to say this, I’d never thought they’d outdo the ballerina scene in Marionette, but when Walter tried to self-lobotomize, OMG, I’ll have nightmares for weeks!

    I’m still not convinced by our Linc, I’m sorry to say. I like him much better than the alternate, who I dislike intensely, but Seth Gabel doesn’t overact as much, when he’s playing the alternate. As our Linc, his acting takes me out of the story and that’s not good. And I also resent that he’s getting so much screentime and character development over other veteran characters like Nina, Broyles and Astrid.

    I was going to say that Olivia was way out of character, but then I remembered she’s not our Olivia, at least not the one we saw for three seasons. I have to remind myself that these characters are different and that there is no such thing as Olivia wouldn’t do this or that.

    I was hoping that the writers wouldn’t go through a romantic affair between Olivia and Linc, after Olivia’s line last week that he wasn’t her type. I thought it was the writer’s way to reassure the audience, but it turns out it was misdirection and they are falling in love with each other, and very fast at that. I am sorry to see they are taking this direction, not because I am a Polivia shipper, but because it’s unnecessary and it looks like they are going for another triangle.

    All in all I think this episode felt more like Fringe than the previous ones and it looks like the story is moving forward towards finding Peter at last.

    The casting did a great job casting the child actor, but that’s nothing new, Almost all kid actors in this show have been fantastic.

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    • Natasha says

      “but it turns out it was misdirection and they are falling in love with each other”

      Wait… what? Would you mind pointing out the scene(s) and/or lines in which this even remotely occurred because I’m just not seeing it. I can agree that Lincoln might have thought she was flirting with him in the first scene but other than that I’ve got nothing. I’m just curious as to how you’ve come to this conclusion.

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      • Mel says

        She’s all warm and touchy-feely with him and all the eyesexing, that’s what she was supposed to convey with Peter, but never quite managed to. And the cuddling on the floor was a parallel to S1 Peter and Olivia, the love story over here and S3 Altlincoln and Altlivia, the love story over there. It could mean amber Olivia and this Lincoln are meant to be the love story in this time line. I hate love triangles so I hope that Peter doesn’t feel the need to mess with this new relationship, when they bring him back.

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        • jophan says

          I’m a little surprised that anyone thinks Lincoln was significant in this case. He’s on screen, but he’s not doing much. Maybe I’m just oblivious to pre-romantic bits, but I’m not seeing them (eyesexing?). The early scene made sense on it’s face: Olivia was freaked out in her early days in Fringe division and thinks he might need to talk it out. (Is this what improved her relationship with Astrid? In the prior loop, both she and Astrid talked to Peter and not so much to each other.) I admit that cradling him after pulling him away from the dying fungus did go in that direction.

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        • Natasha says

          Ok, I guess I can see the parallel, but in the Redverse Olivia doesn’t like Lincoln in that way so I can’t see why it should be any different in this universe. She was with Frank and then she never showed any attraction to Lincoln after his “I love you” while she was giving birth. Maybe in both universes he likes her but she doesn’t like him. I thought I noticed some touching in 4×03 between O/L but I’ll have to watch again to see where it was, I couldn’t find it in the skip through of the episode I did.

          But Olivia’s been having dreams about Peter and Walter’s the only other one (that we know of) that’s been seeing him in some form so I can’t see how that means nothing. I am an O/P shipper and I don’t have any doubt that they’re going to eventually be reunited, but I hope they don’t go there with Lincoln, at least in this universe (they can do what they want with O/L in the Redverse for all I care). I really don’t want a love triangle, it would be far too soapy for the show and unnecessary as you say. We already had one last season, I’d really rather they focus on important things this season, such as Peter being reintegrated and how that affects everyone. I wouldn’t say all is lost yet.

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          • David says

            I think Mel is right. I bet they are going to build another love triangle in this season an ruin this season like the previous one and we’re going to see another boring cheesy love story instead of an awesome Sci-Fi story like what Fringe gives us in its first two season. And I don’t understand why are they doing this. I know myself 9 person who stopped watching Fringe last season because of this whole stupid Bolivia/Peter story because they believed that Fringe completely turned into a boring soap opera and they all had been watching this show from its start like me. At first I didn’t agree with them but now based on the new season story, after 3 years without missing even an episode from watching live I don’t think its worth it to spend even a minute for watching this completely new boring show. I’m sorry but I’m so frustrated and feel insulted by the route that producer have chosen and it’s appears they don’t care about the old fans any more.

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            • Dylan says

              You would think that after seeing the damage it did to other genre-shows which explored such melodramatic, soap-opera storylines, the writers would have decided to steer clear of it.

              But not only did they not, they made it worse by shaping the entire plot around it!

              The fate of two universes dependent on which version of Olivia Peter decides to sleep with? Not a good idea, in the slightest.

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          • mlj102 says

            “but in the Redverse Olivia doesn’t like Lincoln in that way so I can’t see why it should be any different in this universe… Maybe in both universes he likes her but she doesn’t like him.”

            That’s the impression I got from this episode, too. It seemed that Olivia was just being a good supervisor and wanting to help Lincoln integrate into Fringe division, but that Lincoln has a bit of a crush on Olivia. And I really don’t mind that… as long as that’s where it stays. And it does sort of make sense for them to have that kind of a relationship as that’s their relationship on the other side. Throwing in another romantic relationship just seems unnecessary. I would much rather see them develop the sort of trusting partnership that Olivia and Charlie had. And, as I mentioned in another comment, that kind of relationship would take time and work to be believable. But I would like it if they could make it happen.

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        • number six says

          I thought the cuddling scene was intended to mock the one with Peter and Olivia from S1. I was totally expecting a parody of Jacksonville too. Lincoln would go to Olivia for comfort, because he would be scared and Olivia would cup his cheek and reassure him about his uniqueness. Then she would try to kiss him and he would run away.

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        • Alaina says

          “It could mean amber Olivia and this Lincoln are meant to be the love story in this time line. I hate love triangles so I hope that Peter doesn’t feel the need to mess with this new relationship, when they bring him back.”

          Ummm…WHAT?!?! Are we watching the same show? What relationship? Peter and Olivia are the ones meant to be together, the writers have been hitting us over the head with that idea from all of the obvious dialogue.

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      • scully8 says

        Me too . . . if anything, maybe Lincoln is digging Olivia, but I don’t even get that. With that said, I don’t put it pass the writers to introduce that storyline, but I hope not. I’ve always felt the Alt and Olivia are just too mature, or Lincoln projects too young for either of them to be attracted to him in a romantic way. Of course, I could just view it this way because I am a huge P/O shipper. :-)

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        • lizw65 says

          I read that scene as Olivia just trying to reach out and be friendly, and Lincoln misinterpreting it as her making a pass at him. He looked completely terrified, which I found oddly hilarious. :D

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          • HSN says

            I suddenly have a feeling that when Peter comes back, Lincoln will be pushed to Limpo or somewhere beyond the time-space continuum , based on conservation of mass and energy

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    • fringefan2009 says

      Agreed! Yes, please no Olivia/Lincoln romance. What is up with these characters and lack of chemistry. It seems like everytime, they try, they just seem to succeed at making them brother and sister. The only believable romance for me so far as been Bolivia and Frank!

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  21. Cody says

    Still no Nina!?!?!?! I thought she would make a appearance when they said they received the poison from Massive Dynamic. Maybe she doesn’t exist in this timeline?

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  22. Real1 says

    I think some of us didn’t get the hidden theme from this episode .. which is “connection” , the hug meaning of connection can permit to do the impossible , and that’s the case between Heron and Gus , red Peter and Walter and Olivia .

    Red Peter is trying to contact Walter but hunting Olivia’s dream , Heron let go the Gus but can Walter and Olivia let go Red Peter ?

    I love how the writers are developing the story , I loved how Olivia rescued Walter and I loved how Olivia also having the same thing as Walter .

    it’s 9.5/10

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  23. Deon says

    I also notice that here was a large number of phone calls this episode. i think this ties to the connection theme of the episode.

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    • FringeFriday says

      I was totally shocked to see Walter in his “room” when Olivia entered….it is as if Walter had been released from St. Claires only weeks ago, not supposedly 3-4years!

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    • Dylan says

      I was more shocked by the fact that he actually started doing it. Poor Walter… and poor my ears for having to hear the sound of Olivia pulling it out.

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      • mlj102 says

        I agree that the whole concept is rather horrifying, not to mention the fact that he actually got started on it. And yet, I have to give the Fringe writers credit for not going the predictably unrealistic route that Olivia happens to show up just as Walter’s about to strike the hammer for the first time. Any other show would have stopped it there, and for me, that’s always a bit frustrating because it takes away from the significance of what’s going on because you know there won’t be any consequences because you know someone will show up just in time to save the day. And while that was similar here in that Olivia still showed up and was able to stop him from going all the way, they still dared to take it that extra step. And that’s one thing I love about Fringe — where most shows would interrupt the story and stop whatever’s about to happen, and go the safe route, Fringe takes it just that extra step further. They follow through with conversations, they show a consequence of an action, they let a character actually start to do something… But they still do it within appropriate limits. It’s rather impressive that they have pulled that off on many occasions.

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    • Peanut says

      Yeah, I think the wrong names are now reserved for Lincoln, evidently presidential ones–I especially look forward to Walter calling poor Linc “Grant.” But I also expect Fillmore, Cleveland, Coolidge, etc., & I also look forward to Linc being called Garfield.

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    • Peanut says

      My interpretation is that it’s just another way in which this version of Olivia differs from the one in the original timeline.

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        • mlj102 says

          There are several times she has braided her hair — mostly Season 2, I think. Of Human Action and Olivia. In The Lab. both come to mind…

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  24. hsa says

    Does anyone know where the background music (really just repeated notes) is from. It sounds so familiar. Great episdoe.

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  25. Samuel says

    I thought the investigation itself was a tad boring this week,
    but Walter and Aaron were fantastic.
    I love the emotional exchanges the two had,
    and also us knowing how Peter supposedly died in this timeline.

    Can’t wait for next week!!!

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  26. Cody says

    “I know how hard it is to make connections, I know what it is to be lonely, It takes courage to be the one to take someone else’s hand, to trust they wont leave you, i wont leave you Arron!, i am begging you not to leave me, please!”

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    • Dylan says

      see, I couldn’t help but perceive that line as a little dodgy after Walter’s whole “take off your shirt!” line earlier in the episode lol

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  27. Roneo says

    The case itself reminds me quite a lot of some X Files cases: no explanation of the whys, hows, wheres….about the creature being. Unknown origin, unknown purpose. So, as a well wonted X Files fan, I just take it. In Fringe, besides, this is just a justification for deeper character and issue exploration. And for me, that’s enough. I must surely be easy to please, cause I’m liking a lot this season. I still have to see how everything concludes, and then perhaps I will change my opinion, but right now I’m enjoying the ride.
    That ten o so last minutes of the episode were AWESOME!

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  28. Dylan says

    For all those ‘Breaking Bad’ fans out there…

    who else couldn’t help but laugh after hearing that Walter called the fungus ‘Gus’?

    Probably unintentional, but seeing Walter/Gus on Fringe a few days out from the season finale of Breaking Bad left me with a wide smile on my face.

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      • Dylan says

        You would need to watch Breaking Bad to understand how Walter calling the creature ‘Gus’ was unintentionally much funnier than one would otherwise expect.

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            • Dylan says

              …Betty, I understand that you’re trying to be funny, but maybe in future you should try to actually read someone’s writing as it is.

              Did I say that the writers were paying homage to Breaking Bad? No, I talked about how it was a funny coincidence.

              Seriously…

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  29. Dylan says

    I’m sorry everyone for sounding like a negative-nancy, but after this episode we are unfortunately left with another, new plot hole;

    If September was able to change things by going back and preventing himself from saving Peter from drowning in the lake, then why didn’t he just go back and stop himself from distracting Walternate in the lab in the episode ‘Peter’, thus preventing Walter from needing to cross over, thus correcting everything and rendering it as it was apparently meant to be all along?

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    • Peanut says

      I thought that September HAD to save Red Peter from drowning because “the boy is important”–not important in the new timeline?

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      • Dylan says

        That is true. And the only reason this new timeline exists is because the Observers are, once again, trying to correct everything caused by September’s mistake of distracting Walternate in ‘Peter’.

        But if any one of them could just go back and stop themselves from doing something (eg. preventing Alt-Peter from drowning), then why didn’t they just go back and make it that September never distracted Walternate, therefore rendering everything as it was apparently always meant to be?

        That little reveal by Walter last night unintentionally just opened a whole can of worms.

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    • mlj102 says

      But this is what I was trying to say earlier: interrupting Walternate’s discovery of the cure was unintentional. Since it wasn’t an active choice on his part, he couldn’t change it. He was bound to make that same mistake in every time line. He couldn’t stop himself from doing it because it was an instinctive thing he did rather than a purposeful thing. But he could change how he responded to that mistake.

      Besides that, if he was able to go back and prevent Walternate from missing the cure, Peter would still exist. The whole point of him going back and not saving Peter in the lake was so that Peter would no longer exist because he had fulfilled his purpose. The fact that there are still traces of Peter filtering through was an unforeseen consequence, one that he was supposed to fix, but couldn’t bring himself to do.

      Here’s one possible interpretation: The characters were stuck in this loop that eventually leads to the destruction of the universe. Since this isn’t supposed to happen, the Observers try to fix it. They bring in Peter, a character who was supposed to die, but by intervening and saving him, he lives. He is important because he has a purpose where he’s supposed to prevent the two sides from being destroyed by creating the bridge. And eventually, he manages to do just that. After doing so, he is no longer significant because he has fulfilled his purpose, so the Observers cause him to no longer exist by not saving him. But because the bridge is the consequence of his action that led to him fulfilling his purpose and no longer existing, as a consequence of his actions, it still exists. Which is where we are now. It may not be exactly what they’re going for, but I think it hits the key events at any rate and is along the same lines.

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      • Dylan says

        “But this is what I was trying to say earlier: interrupting Walternate’s discovery of the cure was unintentional. Since it wasn’t an active choice on his part, he couldn’t change it. He was bound to make that same mistake in every time line. He couldn’t stop himself from doing it because it was an instinctive thing he did rather than a purposeful thing. But he could change how he responded to that mistake”

        Unfortunately though, that doesn’t make sense. Intentional or not, it was a choice he made to be there at that precise moment, and if he can change things the way he has then logically he should and would have changed the mistake he made.

        And it is fundamental knowledge that everything that has happened in the show has spawned from that one mistake made by September. Had it not occurred, then everything would have gone the way the Observers knew it was meant to go. That’s why we had so much dialogue pointing out that “the boy is important, he has to live”, how absolutely important the moment Walternate discovered the cure and how September admitted that it was too significant a moment to not observe (though why he couldn’t have just looked through the window, as opposed to standing a metre away from Walternate while in the room, is beyond me), etc.

        All this “Peter not existing” stuff has been the Observers, specifically September, trying once again to correct that mistake.

        The biggest issue is that, if September or any of the other Observers were able to go back and fix things they way they have done recently, then why didn’t they do it before? If September can stop himself from diving into the lake to save Walter and Alt-Peter, then he can stop himself from standing in a room.

        There is still time for the writers to remedy this issue, but right now it stands as one giant, glaring plot hole.

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        • Dylan says

          Choices are choices, regardless of whatever consequence comes from them.

          If September can stop himself from making the decision to save Alt-Peter from drowning, then he can stop himself from making the decision to stand so obviously inside Walternate’s lab.

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          • Schwakamole says

            I haven’t watched the episode a second time so my memory might be wrong on this one. But I got the impression that Walternate was not interrupted and thus observed the cure. And that Walter observed Walternate observing the cure. So over there Peter was cured. And Walter went over ANYWAY and took Peter just to have an alive Peter. Which would confirm what I’ve always thought which was that Walter was always trying to cover over his “sin” of taking Peter from the redverse by saying he always meant to return him after he cured him. But this reveals that he took him just because he couldn’t bear to be without Peter, regardless of what universe he was from. But it didn’t work and Peter drowned in the lake. But again, I need to watch it a second time to see if that’s what I was hearing Walter saying.

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            • Dylan says

              Walter: “…so I crossed over to the other side with the intention of bringing him back to cure him”

              I had to go back and check that, just to make sure.

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          • mlj102 says

            I don’t think that’s necessarily true. I think it’s rather comparable to the discussion Walter and Peter had in The Day We Died:

            WALTER: …I sent them there. The wormhole in Central Park — I sent them back through time. Peter, you can stop the destruction before it occurs!
            PETER: If that’s the case, just don’t send the machine back. Then we’ll never discover it, and I’ll never destroy the other universe.
            WALTER: No, no, no. It doesn’t work that way. I have already done it. Therefore, I have no choice but to do it again.
            PETER: Walter, that doesn’t make any sense.
            WALTER: It does. It’s a paradox. I can’t change what happens because it’s already happened. But you can make a different choice within what happened.

            While I can’t pretend to understand all the reasoning behind this explanation, it does make sense. Just like Walter couldn’t change his decision in this instance, I don’t think September could simply change what happened when he unintentionally interfered with Walternate. It’s part of the cycle — something he was bound to continue to do because he’d already done it. But he could change his decision after that happened (to save them from drowning or not to save them).

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            • Dylan says

              That discussion between Walter and Peter refers to the nature of a paradox, and Walter cannot obviously prevent the machines from being sent back as they already existed in their time and helped to lead to the situation they were in – therefore they already were sent back (“can’t change what happens because it’s already happened”).

              Now, ignoring the implausibility of Walter’s plan, “you can make a different choice within what happened” refers to the idea that if Peter is aware of the consequences of his choices (effectively the same ability as an Observer, referencing September’s mention in ‘The Firefly’ about knowing the outcomes) then he might be able to make a change, whilst maintaining the paradox, that would offer them a solution in the future; to save Olivia and to save the universe.

              Bridging the two universes, having them work together, was the change Peter made in order to save them all – and because the machine is still in the scene, that means that the paradox still exists).

              side-note; there’s no evidence at all to support the idea that the machines are actually a paradox, and it was also strange that Walter seemed to work under the impression that there was no other possibility other than that

              None of this unfortunately applies to September’s actions. Him distracting Walternate was not a paradox, and according to the Observers in the following scenes of that episode, it was not supposed to have happened (which again spews out issues because Peter was meant to have always lived according to them and yet now the Observers have changed their minds of that for no apparent reason).

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              • Dylan says

                don’t forget that what happened Walternate and September while in the lab bore an unexpected consequence, but that September still made the decision to be there.

                Like I said before, it’s about the choices and not the consequences.

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                • Mel Duff says

                  Exactly! Walter states that he went over INTENDING to bring Peter back with him, instead of the unintended consequence of having the vial break when he crossed over. I thought this was the pivotal moment of the season thus far.

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  30. M.F says

    I do not know if anyone has commented on this, but I noticed that even though Walter is crazier than usual, he seems at once more lucid than before, an example of this, he is calling the right name for Astrid! At least so far I have not seen him mess up!

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  31. Red Balloon says

    Very interesting thoughts from all of you, of course specially Dylan and mlj102, because you got me thinking (forgive my writing because it’s hard for me to think in English):

    I believe the Observers arrived after the end of days of the first loop, when events occurred for the first time.

    Then, back in the days from 2.16 “Peter”; Walter and William’s favorite TV show was watching the alternate world (screen created by Walter), because they tripped a lot with LSD (LOL!). This was before Walter even knew blue Peter was ill (they were stealing technology from over there). Later he used it to see if Walternate was any closer to finding the cure, but September interrupted and that was it… all of the aftermath happened for a second time right? (Second loop)

    On the third loop, we don’t know how things would have played, but the Observers were on alert, since September tried to correct his error by saving red Peter and Walter from drowning; because according to him “the boy was important, he could not die or even return to the other side”. But as he mentioned in 3.10 “The Firefly”: even they don’t know what will come to pass (when they mess up with the time line, I must add). We never knew what his plan was to correct his error… but I’m thinking that when Peter did returned to the other side, September’s plan was screwed.

    We also know that Bell designed the BBM at some point in the future before 2026?, when both worlds were dying. I think maybe he and Walter were the only ones aware of the looping they would experience if they went on with this plan, and Walter decided to improve the chances a little bit by asking Bell to remove parts of his brain, and try again hopping that there was only one more loop, but I guess they didn’t know for sure what would happened to Peter after he entered the BBM.

    And now we are on a forth loop, is this right?…After Peter returned to live all over again, by building a bridge (of HOPE).

    September’s statement in the 3.22 TDWD “He served his purpose”, maybe was more September’s purpose than Peter’s: thinking that the worlds were on track again to fulfill their destiny?. Maybe the original curse of events the Observers are referring to is that both worlds were meant to die, and these are the Observers intentions: to let things go as they witnessed it the first time.

    So in this forth loop, September’s first mistake (interrupting Walternate) did happen, and apparently he cannot/wouldn’t do anything to prevent that, as it is maybe another paradox like the one Walter explained to Peter in 3.22 TDWD:

    “Peter, you could stop the destruction before it occurs… If that’s the case, just don’t send the machine back, and we’ll never discover it and I’ll never destroy the other universe… No, it doesn’t work that way, I have already done it, and therefore I have no choice but to do it again… Walter, that doesn’t make any sense… It does, it’s a paradox, I can’t change what happened, because it’s already happened, but you can make a different choice within what happened”

    Or as if this was the first time the Observers intervened with humans, with unimaginable repercussions, as if with September’s intervention, humans were able to save their worlds or destroyed theirs (Observers worlds)

    In 4.01 NHNT December tells September that there’s a problem, and September is like WTF… “It is impossible, the time-line has been re-written, he was erased and yet traces of him continue to bleed through”… December continues: “It is as it has always been, our responsibility to ensure the events play out as they were intended, BEFORE YOUR INTERVENTION”

    I think September has tried everything to correct the time-line:

    First, by saving red Peter, because if he had died then, when Walter’s brain was intact, maybe he and Bell would have successfully prevented both worlds from dying (The Pattern, wormholes, etc), or even erase the Observers from existence ;)

    Second, by seeking events so that red Peter entered the BBM (The Firefly, Bloodline) resulting in a time-line re-written (by whom we don’t know), but Peter died in the frozen lake, and they are now in the same mess that they were before, as they don’t recall WTH happened, only this time, Walter’s brain is damaged and he cannot fix both worlds or fix the Observer intervention.

    For all we know, maybe red Peter wouldn’t have survived even if Walternate wasn’t interrupted; we don’t know if technology would have reached a point that eventually destroyed both worlds; or if human relentless condition to achieve more knowledge and more power over their destiny, has had its consequences and resulted in the destruction or salvation of their species.

    Somehow, September now thinks that they deserve a second chance to turn things around. He’s become a fan (sort of speak) of humans, as he can see they are desperately holding onto HOPE.

    If that’s the case, welcome September! ;)

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  32. lizw65 says

    Where was it ever stated that William Bell designed the Machine? To my way of thinking, the obvious person to have designed it is Peter himself, as it was built specifically to work for him. And I fully believe it was Olivia who did all the drawings, as she’s been established as a character who likes to sketch.

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    • Dylan says

      It’s in ‘Over There Part 1′, when Broyles and company march into Massive Dynamic to get answers from Nina.

      Nina states that it was William’s design, but that they never built it.

      It doesn’t necessarily mean, having learned everything we did, that William at that point really was intended by the writes to have made it, but the way I see it those writers had an idea and changed it shortly afterwards – hence the lack of any character ever referencing the moment again. Kind of like John Scott…

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  33. Mike Mike says

    This was a decent episode, the best of the season, but still far below last year. Waiting for them to bring Peter back is like waiting for a digital rectal exam. You know it’s got to happen, but the anticipation is hell.

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