Fringe: Differences Between Worlds
FRINGE: DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WORLDS
OVER HERE vs OVER THERE
With the alternate universe ever unwinding to reveal more differences between the two main worlds of the show (“Over Here” and “Over There”), I thought that it would be a good idea to keep track of all the evidence-based differences that exist between these two universes.
In this section you will find a complete listing of every single difference between OVER HERE and OVER THERE that has been documented in the show or via official ‘out of show’ sources. For convenience, I have listed them by the episode in which they were first referenced (where appropriate) so that you can see how the distinct variations have unfurled as the series has progressed. Currently, there are 78 differences between the worlds.
Ability
- Over There they are slightly ahead of Over Here in some areas (scientifically and technologically – various refs).
Inner Child
- Over There Peter’s G.I. Joe toy had a scar on “the other side” (of its face).
The Road Not Taken
- Over There Charlie is still alive and has a scar on the left side of his face.
- Over There the Fringe Division phone(s) are red.
- Over There the Nancy Lewis and Susan Pratt were not estranged and died together from some kind of explosion/fire. (Possibly due to an inability to control their pyrokinetic abilities).
- Over There Broyles’ desk is on the other side of his office
- Over There Altlivia gives the order for Boston to be placed under quarantined lockdown (May 2009. As inferred by Olivia’s discussion with alternate Charlie during her glimpse into the alternate universe).
There’s More Than One Of Everything
- Over There they are without Peter Bishop, who was stolen from them by Walter. (event depicted in “Peter”).
- Over There half of David Robert Jones’ body and several limbs belonging to people Over Here can be found.
- Over There the Obamas moved into a New White House after it was re-opened in May 2009. The original White House was hit in the parallel terrorist attacks of 9/11. The World Trade Center was not attacked (episode, newspaper reference, right, and “Jacksonville”).
- Over There former President Kennedy is still alive. (newspaper reference).
- Over There basketball player Len Bias is still alive and won the MVP in the basketball play-offs (at 45 years of age) in which the Boston Celtics were the victors. (newspaper reference).
- Over There the stock markets were closed for 21 days as of May 12, 2009. (newspaper reference).
- Over There they are missing the front half of a truck and its driver. (ref: David Jones’ attempt to open a portal).
- Over There the FDA approved facial landscaping (silicone implants with advanced gene therapy – R&D led by Intrepus’ David Esterbrook – outside of show).
- Over There Guns N’ Roses released their sixth studio album “Chinese Democracy” in May 2000. Over Here it was released in November 2008. (newspaper ref – outside of show).
- Over There Andrew Lloyd Webber adapted “The Terminator” film into an opera starring Dwayne Johnson in the title role. (newspaper ref – outside of show).
- Over There Arnold Schwarzenegger is the Senator for California. Over Here he is the Governor for California. (newspaper ref – outside of show).
A New Day In The Old Town
- Over There the Selectric typewriter went up to model 251, at least.
Momentum Deferred
- Over there they have developed shapeshifting mechano-organic soldiers (aka “The First Wave”) who can survive the dangerous journey between universes and change their appearance by assuming the identity of humans. (first seen in “A New Day In The Old Town”). These hybrids were actually designed by William Bell, as revealed in “Over There Part 2″.
Dream Logic
- Over There they had 11 Challenger Missions by June 28, 1984. Over Here Space Shuttle Challenger 10 (Jan 28 1986) exploded 73 seconds after launching, killing 7 – it was the final Challenger Mission.
Grey Matters
- Over There they suffer an environmental disaster called The Blight which has killed areas of plant life and vegetation. The common (and false) belief is that it is caused by the natural decay of their world – that the holes in the fabric of the universe are natural consequences. (“Over There” – Parts 1 & 2). Over Here, Global Warming could be argued to be the equivalent ‘cover story’.
Jacksonville
- Over There “Manhatan” is spelled with one “T”.
- Over There coffee is a very scarce resource due to the Blight.
- Over There Ted Pratchett was married.
- Over There the Pentagon – and White House as mentioned earlier -was hit in the 9/11 terrorist attacks, instead of the World Trade Center.
- Over There they built a new Pentagon Annex. (ref. “New Pentagon” blueprint)
- Over There former president Richard Nixon is on the silver dollar.
- Over There they had car CD players as early as 1986. Over Here they were not factory installed until the 1990s. (need further confirmation on the date as this article claims in-car CD players came about in 1984).
Peter
- Over There they already had digital cellphones by the early 1980s. Over Here the first digital cellphone arrived in the early 90s.
- Over There they were still using Zeppelins as a common mode of transport in the 80s, with the Empire State building used as a docking station. (Zeppelins continue to be prominent in modern day alterverse, as per “Over There – Parts 1 & 2″). Over Here, the Hindenburg disaster of 1937 hastened the demise of Zeppelins.
- Over There young Peter was sick, but was dying at a slower rate/given better treatment than the Peter from Over Here.
- Over There young Peter was interested in Space and Dinosaurs, while Over Here Peter was interested in Geography and Music. (ref: “Peter” – bedroom).
- Over There Back To The Future starred Eric Stolz in the lead role of Marty McFly instead of Michael J. Fox.
- Over There they had double decker cars as early as the 1980s. (also seen in “Jacksonville”).
- The Peter from Over There is “important”
The Man From The Other Side
- Over There the White House recently had a New Glass Roof installed. (ref: news report). (In fact, the White House has a “mirror and glass dome” – ref: out of show newspaper article).
- Over There, the United States flag has only 48 stars compared to the 50 stars Over Here. (There may be a continuity issue as only 45 States are later seen on Walternate’s Map of the United States in the season finale episode – “Over There”).
- Over There the deleted scene from the Lost Season 1 finale – “Exodus Part 2″, featuring Seth Norris (Greg Grundberg) and Claire Littleton (Emilie de Ravin), was broadcast in 2010. This may imply that that Over There Lost runs several seasons behind Over Here (Season 6 ended in May, 2010) or that it was a repeat.
Over There Part 1
- Over There they have “Lookers” who appear to be able to perceive future outcomes from data with high degrees of accuracy. Astrid Farnsworth is one of these Lookers.
- Over There Martin Luther King Jr. is on the $20 bill instead of Andrew Jackson. The $20 Bill is therefore called a “Junior” rather than a “Jackson”. King Jr. may have been President of the United States of America, making him the first African American President before Barack Obama.
- Over There Fringe Division are more militant and organized. They are a special adjacent branch of the Department of Defense, whose primary focus is natural and environmental disasters that began in 1985 with the Zero Event at Reiden Lake. They even have a logo consisting of two back-to-back F’s.
- Over There the Department of Defense has a different logo. Gone is the eagle and olive leaves, and in their place are even more stars, two swords and a larger American shield. (more minor differences).
- Over There Olivia (Altlivia) has reddish brown hair.
- Over There Charlie Francis suffered from an arachnid infestation. Altlivia and Lincoln Lee tease him about having bugs and worms. Over Here Charlie was impregnated with worms (“Unleashed”).
- Over There the Statue of Liberty is bronze.
- Over There the popular TV series The West Wing was recently renewed for its 11th season. Over Here it was canceled in 2006, after 7 seasons.
- Over There they have implemented I.D. (or “show me”) Cards into American society.
- Over There Antonio Guadi’s Grand Hotel was built (1908). Over Here it never progressed beyond the concept drawings.
- Over There Peter’s mom didn’t commit suicide. Over Here, Elizabeth Bishop killed herself in 2000 (apprx).
- Over There the United States has undergone environmental and scientific events that has changed its landscape. A chunk of the California coast is missing, The State of Washington is called “Southern British Columbia”, Texas is divided into two States – North and South Texas, Nevada is called “Independent Nevada”, North and South Carolina are combined into “Carolina”, Oklahoma and Kansas are combined into one state called “Midland”, The area around Washington D.C. is called “District of Virginia”, Louisiana is called “Louisiana Territory”, Michigan is without an upper peninsula. (each counted as separate differences. ref: Walternate’s map. This section to be updated).
- Over There Delaware, Eastern New York and Southern Maine are quarantine areas (the largest. ref: Walternate’s map).
- Over There Walternate is Secretary of Defense (aka “Mr. Secretary”, first referenced in “The Man From The Other Side”).
- Over There Walternate wrote and published his version of ZFT – “The Natural Decay of Our World”, in 1995. Rather than using it to warn or expose the truth about the alternate universe, as William Bell and Walter may have intended with their version, he used it to cover up the existence of the alternate universe as well as the real cause of the “holes in the fabric of the universe”, which the book ‘falsely’ claims are natural. (“Over There”)
- Over There they have Nanite Regeneration technology that can heal third degree burns covering 90% of the body in just 3 months. Accelerated healing techniques/drugs are also mainstream. (“Over There – Part 2″).
- Over There Olivia (alternate Olivia) has a boyfriend by the name of Frank Stanton. They share matching tattoos. How sweet.
Over There Part 2
- Over There they have self-piloting helicopters.
- Over There Long Island is off-limits. The Long Island Triangle is Fringe Event 2461 – a semi-permanent thin-spot formed in 1990. Temporal and spatial distortions are present.
- Over There Madison Square Gardens was quarantined by Fringe Division in 1999 due to an unstable worm hole that wouldn’t close (Fringe Event 89722). Recently, the 10,000 citizens encased in quarantine amber have been ruled legally dead.
- Over There The Department of Defence headquarters are located on Liberty Island, New York, instead of the Pentagon, Virginia.
- Over there, the bees can grow to the size of a grapefruit.
- Over There several of the popular comics have different covers and storylines – in particular, the Green Arrow is the Red Arrow and Batman died instead of Supes.
- Over There they have “KGC” (Kentucky Grilled Chicken) rather than KFC.
- Over There Peter is somewhat famous (kidnapping).
- Over There the Lindbergh baby is not a familiar reference. It’s possible that his abduction and subsequent murder never happened and Charles Lindbergh Jr. is still alive, or that Charles Lindberg Sr. wasn’t famous on that side due to Zeppelins taking prominence over airplanes in the alternate universe. (somewhat speculative explanation).
- Over there the TransAmerica building is located in New York and not San Francisco – presumably because California is missing a sizeable chunk.
- Over There Olivia’s mom is still alive. R@chel died in childbirth, therefore Ella doesn’t exist.
- Over There William Bell didn’t start up Massive Dynamic. (although the ‘out of show’ ad from the newspaper in “There’s More Than One Of Everything” would suggest otherwise – or that someone else did).
- Over There, the alternate universe version of William Bell died at a young age in a car crash and so never got to meet Walternate. (according to Bell)
- Over The William Bell designed the 76 and 77 (with pulse) sidearm.
There are a couple of small differences that I am yet to add, along with extra formatting and reorganizing. If you have any thoughts or notice any differences that you think I have missed out, feel free to comment below.
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This is great — an incredible amount of work, for sure — but great.
Another subtle difference I noticed: Alt-Charlie preps the Fringe team to jump out of the van on his “six.” We generally count to three!
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“six” – Isn’t this a military term? It means for his team to follow him.
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on his six – As in six o’clock on a clock face. Twelve o’clock being in front. 9 and 3 in the left and right position respectively.
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Whoops! Context does give it a different meaning!
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I can assure you that no cars had CD players as a standard feature in 1984. In fact, I really don’t even remember CDs being on the market for home use until 1988 or so.
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Lala, cheers for that feedback. I’ll leave that entry open to speculation until we find solid confirmation. In terms of the difference, I’m happy to go with Walter’s view that they weren’t an option back then.
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I owned a CD player (not even high-end) and a number of CDs in 1986.
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I always wondered, are we sure that bees grow to be the size of grapefruits on the other side? Or is it that, because of the blight, grapefruits are just much smaller?
Also, I still think that KFC over there is normal, from watching Walter eat fried chicken. I think it was only the one bucket that happened to have an ad for their grilled chicken on it.
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LBJ, very good point. I’m trying to remember whether the nurse made any ‘size gestures’ with her hands? If not, that’s a nice piece of thinking.
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i’m just wondering about the ones from ‘The Man from the Other Side’. i don’t recall any of those. do i need to rewatch the episode or am i right in that those didn’t happen in that episode?
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I believe that those were shown on a TV in the lab.
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Yep – they appeared during the ‘interference footage’. You can find them here.
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What about the “five year difference” of Peter’s kidnapping? Alt-Liv said to Walternate “you mean your son who was kidnapped 20 years ago”, when we know it took place 25 years ago. I don’t think it was a goof. I feel the creators did that on purpose, I just don’t see why. I find it weird that Walternates would wait 5 years to report his son missing. At first I thought, “maybe the two universes are some how 5 years off sync”, but then again Obama is still president in both universes. Any thoughts? I hope you guys understand what I’m talking about.
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@Alison: this 5 year business has been broadly discussed , as many people think that Alt-olivia’s reference was made on purpose. From what we have seen so far, the doubles share the age, like Walter and Walternate having both 65 years, more or less. So I don’t’ think there is a temporal gap, or difference, between the two universes. But again, it’s Fringe …so who knows!
@Roco:that was awesome !!
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Well I apologize then. I was pretty sure that it had already been discussed I just didn’t know, so yeah…..sorry. ^^; I’m sure well find out soon enough though. I didn’t know if maybe it was something worth adding to this thing or not.
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Yeah, it also seems to be more of a difference in accounts (or perspectives) between Walter and Walternate/the AU rather than a difference between the worlds. That said, it’s a worthwhile suggestion and interesting in it’s own right, so thanks for sharing.
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No prob! Great job, by the way!
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just another little thing: I don’t think MD was even created in the AU. In “there’s more than one of everything” and Momentum deferred” we have seen Bellie in a fantastic office with a pretty secretary, but I think this was a “benefit” he owns thanks to his collaboration with the DoD.
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Laura, I agree – Bell also confirms that he didn’t create MD in that universe in 2.22. (also the Massive Dynamic “R.E.M. Pod” advertisement in the AU New York Post, leaves open the possibility that he did – or that the writers were planning to have an MD Over There before they started work on season 2).
I like your idea that his office from 1.20/2.04 was a perk of his business dealings Over There. It’s also likely that he set up another company not called ‘Massive Dynamic’ and not important enough to have it mentioned?
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Or, could it be possible that Massive Dynamic was in fact established over there, but William Bell had nothing to do with it, rather it was someone else entirely who established it? If ZFT could be written by two separate people (Bell over here, and Walternate over there) then it doesn’t seem too far out there to think that someone else (Alternate Jones? Alternate Nina?) established Massive Dynamic without any involvement from Bell. Of course it’s purely speculation at this point, and probably not the case, but I did think it was worth mentioning that, just because Bell claims he never established it over there, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it wasn’t established at all…
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mlj,
I agree – it’s entirely possible that someone else created Massive Dynamic on the other side. While it’s natural to assume that it doesn’t exist Over There – based on Bellie’s confession, the narrative didn’t close the door on the possibility.
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I was thinking it’d be pretty fantastic to have Nina be in control of all that is MD or equivalent to it over there. I wonder what little twist they’ve got in store for Blair since we didn’t see her alternate in the finale.
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Henry, our helpful cabbie, never seemed to have heard of MD when Olivia was trying to find it Over There so I took it that MD, if existing, could not have had the importance that it does Over Here.
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Seeing as Fringe is now completely over, I think I can mention that Walternate started Bishop Dynamic. You see it in a later episode when he gets out of a black car. Think it might be season 4 but possibly as early as season 3. Maybe that can be seen as staying with the “more than one of everything” line.
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Alison…there’s always something to discuss and add to among fringies
That is why I absolutely love this blog.
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Very true!
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Roco, once again, I think you have out-done yourself. This list is amazing, and incredibly complete. I really can’t think of anything that you have missed. You definitely went the extra mile in documenting all of the differences.
The only thing that I found somewhat odd as I was reading through this list was when you said: “Over There Altlivia put half of Boston under quarantined lockdown (May 2009).” You could be completely right, and maybe I missed some reference, but I was never under the impression that it was alternate Olivia who put half of Boston under quarantine. For one, if you put a place under quarantine, doesn’t that automatically mean you die, because you’re at the focal point of the amber when it is released? Aside from that, I just don’t see why/how it would have been alternate Olivia personally to initiate the quarantine. Would it be a better reflection of events to simply state that Fringe Division put half of Boston under quarantined lockdown? Of course, like I said, it’s completely possible that I just missed something, in which case, I would welcome an explanation for why you believe it was specifically alternate Olivia who was responsible for that.
Anyway, like I said, that’s just a small thing that stood out to me as not quite right. But other than that, I thought this list was amazing. Thank you for putting it together and thank you for continuing to make Fringebloggers the best Fringe site out there!
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mlj,
You raise a good point regarding the personal consequences for putting an area under quarantine. My reference came from Charlnate who, during her glimpse into the other side, tells Olivia:
“You have half of Boston in quarantined lockdown, and you’re worried about a pair of charred twins?”
He seems to infer that it was her order – not necessarily that she was the one to personally quarantine the area. I was trying to convey that in the entry where I said “Altlivia put half of Boston…”, but I probably could have made it a bit clearer! I’ll adjust the working slightly to make it read slightly better.
I feel that it’s accurate to reflect that it was Altlivia’s decision, so I’ll probably wont pin the responsibility so much on Fringe Division, although they would have been the entity to carry out the quarantine.
Thanks for the feedback!
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I had figured that was the quote you were basing your comment on. I guess I just never thought of it like that. I had interpreted it in a more rhetorical sense, that alternate Charlie was expressing his surprise that, in the middle of a crisis, Olivia was showing concern for a seemingly insignificant case. In other words, “You’re in the middle of a quarantine situation, yet you’re asking me about the victims in a random case?!” I don’t know if I’m making much sense in explaining my interpretation of it, but can you see where I’m coming from?
Besides that, I’m just not sure that alternate Olivia even has the authority to give the word and authorize a quarantine. While still in a high position over there, she’s also lower in the line, and answers to several people, including Lincoln and alternate Broyles. I’m not sure she could authorize a quarantine without the order from one of them…
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You’re explanation makes perfect sense! I can definitely see where you’re coming from and I am happy to accept that as the answer. I just feel that maybe the writers hand’t fully realized the ‘rules of quarantine’ by the end of Season 1, and may have adapted the idea slightly by the time they got to 2.21.
That said, you’re right to point out that Altlivia’s probably wouldn’t have had to authority to authorize a quarantine – unless, maybe, it required a snap decision and Broylnate was out looking for new office furniture.
In all seriousness you make a good point – thanks for opening up an alternate doorway.
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Excellent job, Roco! Since this is now a separate section, I don’t feel the need to document a lot of minute differences between worlds in the timeline, unless they happen to have a direct bearing on the mythology of the show.
One minor point: I suspect that Altlivia’s red hair is a choice on her part, rather than the result of different genetic makeup, as our Olivia found the box of hair colorant in her apartment (at least I assume she did, as she wouldn’t have had the time/resources to go out and buy one.)
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Liz,
I agree – Altliv’s penchant for red is most definitely her choice. I want to leave that detail in though as I feel that it is one of the most striking and interesting differences that we have so far seen between the two worlds.
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Nice job. I anticipate seeing this grow by leaps and bounds come September! Just wanted to mention somewhere (and this will do!) that the thing I liked so much about the OT Fringe Division’s logo is that its two backwards F’s neatly make the shape of a doorway, no?
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Count,
Interesting – I’ll have to go and dig up a screencap. I suspect you’re right.
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It is spelled
Department of “Defense” — not “Defence”
they show it right there with the big map
Proper titles of organizations should reflect the actual spelling the organization uses.
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Pentagon Anix???
You must mean
“New Pentagon – Annex IV”
My guess is that there are at least FOUR annexes OV3R TH3RE
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Thanks for all the feedback, peeps. I’ll be making updates where necessary so feel free to keep ‘em coming.
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Hey guys! I’ve been meaning to say something about this for a while so I’m sorry if it’s already been brought up. Anyway, along with the color differences of the clothes worn by Olivia and Atlivia, did you guys notice that even their undergarments are at the opposite ends of the spectrum, color wise. All through season 1, where Olivia is seen in the tank, they have ALWAYS been black. Yet Atliv wears white. I don’t know, am I being too perceptive? I feel it was purposely done.
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Interesting observation, Alison. I’ll have to go back and look out for that. Thanks for the tip!
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Thanks! I wasn’t sure if anyone had noticed that or not.
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Oops….I was on my friend’s computer when I typed that. That’s why her name is on the post. heh
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Wonderful topic and organization of the facts. I am loving the level of detail here very much! ; )
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Hey Roco, mind if I ask where you got the information in italics under “There’s More than One of Everything”?
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Hey Hysterikal,
They’re from the alternate reality newspaper seen on William Bell’s desk in 1.20 – FOX distributed a copy of the newspaper to journalists which contained more info on the inside. I’ll add some scans to this article at some point, but for now you can find them here.
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Looking at that newspaper, in the horoscope section, they have substituted the New York Post’s usual symbols with the fringe’s glyphs… Gemini is the twin apple, Capricorn is a sea horse, and Pisces is a frog. Aries is different too, but is not a glyph (that I’m aware of.. unless it’s just the seahorse tail?). May be nothing, but cool nonetheless.
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I know this is pedantic, but in the alternate universe, Fringe Division is a special adjunct branch of the DoD not an adjacent branch.
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I think you missed the White Pages/Yellow Pages difference that we saw in Over There Part 1.
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I’m not sure if this is an actual difference, but in The Bishop Revival Peter says “1933, which is long before the Nazis ever took power. ” Hitler became Chancellor in 1933, at least, on this side. Again, not sure if that’s actually clue to some kind of difference in the alternate world.
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I was re-watching old episodes and i realized that if our Olivia has BLOND hair wouldn’t it be obvious she wasn’t Altivia in “The Road Not Taken” since Alitivia has a tattoo and RED hair? Perhaps I’m wrong… she could have dyed her hair in between The period of time between episodes, but I thought I should point that out… thanx
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Hi Midge. I’m not sure I understand your reference to “The Road Not Taken” except possibly a reference to this article. The Road Not Taken does not give any insight as to Alitivias hair color over there. Other then that, Olivia had died her hair to appear as Alitivia in order to infiltrate and find Peter in the season 2 finale. So they both had red hair at that point. Now Alitivia is over here and will probably change her hair to look more like Olivia. The tattoo will obviously come in to play since they made a big deal to let us know it was there and that it was well hidden by her hair. I don’t think peter would know about it since they haven’t really become close. I’m wondering if maybe her sister or niece are going to be the ones that notice it first. Or maybe Peter will notice it along with character differences and in his doubt ask Olivia’s sister if she ever had a tattoo there before. The show always leaves you with questions which is one reason why it is so great!
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I think Midge’s point is that if Olivia actually did cross over in TRNT*, then the alternate Charlie or Broyles would have been suspicious of her unless Altlivia was also blonde at the time. (*understanding that some people believe she did not cross, but somehow shared Altlivia’s consciousness)
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Wow, impressive! I really enjoyed you taking the time to write such a long list!
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It was really a great job, Roco!
Just a little question: can we be sure that “Over There the Statue of Liberty is bronze”? Maybe it’s copper, like Overe Here, but they have a penchant for restoring monuments (and possibly more advanced technologies in this field, too) and they keep it sparkling. After all, their Opera House looks like new – and this is another difference between Over Here and Over There!
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Just wondering if we can be sure there is no Ella in the alt universe since many women die in childbirth, but the baby often survives. Altlivia repeated the name “Ella” when Olivia mentioned it to her, but for some reason I thought maybe there would still be an Ella.
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Noticed last night that Over There Broyles was wearing a wedding ring when he was talking to Walternate. Does Over Here Broyles still wear his even though he’s divorced? I can’t remember.
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According to The Abducted, the following is different over there:
There are 3 major political parties.
The Peter Bishop Act of 1991 makes it so that every kidnapping is investigated by Fringe Division.
Phillip Broyles is married and has two children. Christopher was kidnapped for 48 hours and returned a damaged child.
There was an Avian Influenza Epidemic.
The FBI no longer exists, having been eliminated at least 10 years ago.
Casablanca starred Ronald Reagan. In this version, Rick and Ilsa go off together and live happily every after.
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How about the reference Lincoln makes to watching Tom Cruise kick some ass on TV? I thought that hinted he wasn’t a movie star.
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When Olivia was “Over There”, I noticed the advertisement on the taxi cab roof was for a play called “Dogs” which I suspect was a the writers jab at the long running Broadway show, “Cats”. I chuckled. This is a great list!
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Its not too important(unless you’re a huge Beatles fan like me) but its been mentioned that John Lennon is still alive Over There and I think MLKjr is as well.
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Is anyone keeping up with the “Alt. Universe Articles” from the Fringe Now section on Fox’s website? This week’s is titled “Smiley”. It states that “The New San Diego Zoo is creating a habitat for ‘Smiley’, the first genetically resurrected saber-toothed tiger. Smilodon fatalis, which thrived in the Pleistocene epoch over 12,000 years ago, will be available for public view later this year. The zoo hopes it will be joined by an American mastodon by 2014.”
Previous week’s articles have been about “Queen Diana” (who did not divorce Charles or die as our Princess Diana did) and the author Sean Combs (in contrast with our rapper/actor/fashion designer/producer version).
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Nice job!
Also: the first car CD player was made in 1984, but they didn’t become cheap and factory-standard until the early 90s.
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In one episode someone is reading the comics in the alt.universe, in particular ‘Opus the Peahen’ by Berkeley Breathed (instead Penguin).
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Is the alternate universe depicted in “The Road Not Taken” supposed to be the now-familiar red AU, or is it a yellow or purple universe? This alt-Broyles is wearing a shirt & tie–not a tight, black t-shirt. This Alt-Broyles did not notice the difference in hair color & style between a blonde Olivia & one with red hair & bangs? Maybe Fauxlivia wasn’t dying her hair red then? The two also seem to dress distinctly differently—Olivia more business attire, Faux more military/casual. Where was Faux while Over Here Olivia was Over There, assuming that an actual physical transfer took place? I will concede that this Alt-Charlie COULD have changed his hairstyle from the close-cropped do that he has in Season 3–in this alt, he has longer hair in addition to the scar. The scar now (“Bloodline”) has a slightly different appearance & seems less noticeable than previously.
Someone (philpy1999) on Fringe-Forum pointed out that there shouldn’t have been pyrokinetic twins in the AU in this episode at all because there were no Cortexiphan trials Over There. Someone else noticed that Fringe personnel are wearing FBI jackets, but there hasn’t been an FBI in that universe since about 2000 according to Broylesnate.
I have wondered about Boston burning & being in quarantine/lockdown—if the cause was a terrorist attack rather than natural. I remember that the TOP of the building that Olivia saw was burning—less likely to have been environmental & more like an attack by an aircraft?
Continuity errors?
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If there was no President Jackson or he wasn’t an important historical figure in the red universe, what is the name of the city in Florida Over There? In that case, it’s doubtful that there is a Jacksonville, named after Andrew Jackson, in the Over-There world.
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Micheal Jackson?????
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Rewatched “Plateau” and Olivia gave money to a “Aruban War Vet” so apparently there was a War between the US and Aruba “Over There”…
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What a long and hard war must have been!
Over There “West Wing” was confirmed for a twelfth season.
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Preparing to add Fringe to be part of our journey. Coming soon – Symbology.
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also, don’t forget daily flights to the moon!
And no, i don’t think the alt-universe seen in season 1 was the red universe – but it could have been a yellow universe with which the disruption in boston between the red and yellow was taking place.
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I also noticed that in the episodes, both sides had a case with an old man and a young man (where they are the same person in the end). Over Here, the old/young man was taking the section out of the peoples’ brains and Over There, its the man who hurt Broyles’ son
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red universe’s William Bell died in a car crash as a teenager.
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There’s a huge difference in hairstyles between olivias and i dunno if roco has talked bout it already. At first i though it was a coincidence but since it was repeated i realized the brilliant referente We get from it.
Anyway the difference is that while fauxlivia wears a perfect fringe hairstyle that usualy covers all of her forehead olivia shows her forehead always( even when she is trapped ot).
Imo this is a reference to olivia letting her emotions get involved a lot more than her counterpart.
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if william bell introduced Walter to Elizabeth then how did Walternate and Elizabeth meet?
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Over there Walternate started the company Bishop Dynamic.
Over there Bell and Walternate are colleagues so that Bell can keep an eye on Walternate, though he creates technology to keep himself in the loop(shapeshifters)and other things
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I’m pretty sure that thing about Batman dying isn’t true because there is no Batman Over There, instead they have Mantis
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Walternate’s map also shows the Dakotas combined into one state.
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You do not have Millard Filmore on the $100 dollar bill as shown in the episode “ENEMY OF MY ENEMY”
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Does anybody know what happens to Charlie in the alternate universe?
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