2.20 Northwest Passage


FRINGE (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) – “Northwest Passage”

Peter teams up with Sheriff Mathis (guest star Martha Plimpton) on a serial murder investigation with ties to Newton (guest star Sebastian Roch). Meanwhile, Walter copes with the possibility of being sent back to St. Claire’s, and someone from the “other side” pays a visit.

Thursday, May 6

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  1. Audrey says

    this episode was… different in a way. i got so excited when they said they found Peter. but, when Peter started listening to the music i was like, “oh no! something is about to happen!” and apparently i was right. from the beginning of being introduced(sorta) to the Secretary, i knew it was Walternate. you could basically see it coming. that still, freaked me out. oh, poor Walter. having to deal with all of this coming so fast. and now Peter is missing. AGAIN. right when they found him. all in all, this was a pretty good episode.
    P.S: i also noticed quite a lot of red in this episode. poor

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  2. Sean says

    Yeah, we could all predict it was either Bell or Walternate. :P

    But I’m thinking that maybe the “crack” is the next episode clue? Or maybe that gum wrapper Peter found.

    Can’t wait to hear your thoughts Roco!

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  3. Xochitl says

    I’m watching it right now, kind of, can I just say how sad Peter’s eyes look while looking to the waitress? :(

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  4. pugui says

    Wow, I really loved this episode. I think it had a lot of what I had been hoping to see. It was a Peter-centric type of episode (I think that’s a first!) some interesting detective work, a great foil in the Sheriff and OMG Walternate!!! Peter’s face was just… there were so many emotions there. I feel for Walter, but man, Peter is *not* having a great week either.

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  5. Elaine says

    Maybe I need to re-watch the episode, but I wasn’t that impressed with it. However, I did like the final scene…not because Newton or Walternate showed up, but when Peter put on the headphones, laid back and started to doze, the look on his face felt like the first time we actually got a sense of what he was feeling and thinking about everything. The musical choice (I think it was another ‘Yes’ song, but I could be wrong) perfect…and I got the notion there would have been a lot more of those type of moments throughout…but…I don’t know, it fell kind of flat. I couldn’t make sense of why Newton, the other guy and Walternate didn’t just approach Peter early on. Unless of course they were prepping him (with the strange phone calls) for whatever purpose he’s meant for.

    I don’t know, like I said, maybe I need to re-watch it. I didn’t hate it…and I thought there was some really great moments in it. I thought the actress who played Mathis was brilliant. And of course John Noble portraying Walter’s breakdown in the supermarket was simply heartbreaking. I guess I expected there to be more action…Peter seeking out a shadier element as he reverts back to type in the city. Not solitude in the mountains of Washington.

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    • mlj102 says

      I’m glad to know I wasn’t the only one who wasn’t thrilled with the episode. It was good — there really isn’t anything wrong with it — but for me, personally, it seemed to fall short. It didn’t leave any emotional impact on me. It was confusing (I’m still not sure what Newton was responsible for and what the dairy farmer was responsible for). It didn’t address the situation like I’d hoped it would. And, while I completely support an episode focused on Peter, the brief clips of the rest of the Fringe team scattered throughout the episode just didn’t work for me. They didn’t seem to provide anything and they almost seemed to make the episode more choppy.

      I don’t like that I really don’t know how any of the Fringe members are reacting to Peter’s disappearance. Olivia is just kind of there. But I don’t know what she’s feeling. She’s a lot more supportive of Walter than I thought she would be. Astrid apparently found out at some point that Peter is from the other side. She doesn’t seem to find anything strange about that — just okay. It would have been nice to at least see her reaction to being told that someone she’s worked with for over a year is actually from another reality. Broyles doesn’t seem any different. And Peter is having an identity crisis, but apparently that doesn’t prevent him from flirting with the first cute girl who comes his way. I just wish we could see more reactions from everyone else — more of how this is affecting each of them. I feel like Walter is the only one we’ve seen respond to Peter’s disappearance, which is great… but I want to see things from the others, too.

      And, while I’m at it, it doesn’t make sense that Walter is desperately searching for Peter, but he’s scared to find him because he’s afraid Peter can’t/won’t/hasn’t yet been able to forgive him. I think it’s pretty safe to say that the very fact that Peter has left and hasn’t decided to return means that he hasn’t forgiven Walter. This whole “we have to find Peter” thing just feels a little odd considering Peter left of his own free will. I can understand Olivia wanting to find him, to talk to him or what not. But Walter should be giving Peter space — especially if he’s concerned about whether or not Peter has forgiven him. And the end, when Olivia came in and announced that she knew where Peter was, all I could think was “Stop wasting time — you’ve got to get there before he disappears again!” Then she had to so generously offer to let Walter come with her. And he had to pack a bag. Seriously. I was about ready to scream at the TV at that instant — and I don’t usually do that. And, sure enough, Newton and Walternate just happened to arrive before Olivia and Walter would get there.

      Sigh… I’m just dissatisfied. Like I said, it wasn’t a bad episode. There were fun moments. There were important developments. It was another high quality episode. I liked the dynamic between Peter and the Sheriff — it felt refreshing. But it just didn’t deliver anything significant for me. I couldn’t figure out what the theme was or what the purpose was. Maybe others will have some insight that will help me to see the reasoning behind this episode, but I just didn’t see it…

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      • annon says

        Unfortunately, that’s where this show fails on so many levels. They seem to concentrate on one character per season. Season 1 it was Olivia. You got to see inside her head, how she reacts and feels about things. We have still got to see abit of that this season. Season 2 is all about Walter. You get to see how he is feeling/reacting about the whole Peter situation for the last six episodes. However, the writers always don’t worry about the reactions from the other characters. It’s only the one they are focusing on.

        We get this big reveal about Peter and how his whole life has been turned upside down and they don’t explore how he is feeling about the whole thing. They get him to solve a case. Instead, we get to see Walter’s feelings about the whole thing once again.

        I’m convinced the writers are only concentrating on Olivia and Walter. While that’s ok to a point, it doesn’t round the show out. They have other characters that the audience is not going to become invested in/or care about if they don’t flesh them out. It looks like we won’t get to see Peter’s emotional journey at all. The few hints of his turmoil we saw in this episode looks like it, as the last few episodes look like it’s all about the alt universe.

        The show drives me crazy. I just wish they could get writers who could write for this show. It has so much potential with wonderful characters, but the writers only seem to get Walter with Olivia on the odd occasion when they are not doing Walter.

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      • Inkblood says

        “She’s a lot more supportive of Walter than I thought she would be.”
        I think Olivia’s feeling guilt, like if she had gone with her gut and just told Peter, none of this would have happened. Also, I think Walter’s helpless misery shows what can/does not/chooses not to express.

        “And Peter is having an identity crisis, but apparently that doesn’t prevent him from flirting with the first cute girl who comes his way.”
        Ugh, I was so digusted with him when I saw that. While Walter and Olivia are suffering emotionally, Peter decides to go and try to “find himself” and flirt with waitresses.

        And, of course, I have to bring up the close up oif Peter’s hand touching the Sheriff, and then she CALMS DOWN. What is with Peter’s touch??? This is no coincidence; it has happened several times, mostly with Olivia,but with Walter and others, too. Does Peter have super powers? Is it cuz he’s from the other side? Does help out my shipper’s theory of him and Olivia being destined to save the world together? Or does this make him her enemy?

        Duhn, dun, dun….

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  6. says

    The song is called ‘Is There A Ghost’ by Band of Horses.

    I don’t think Peter could possibly go with Walternate and Newton willingly – they just killed two innocent women. Thoughts?

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    • Inkblood says

      I think he will. Peter’s whole life has been a lie. These people are more likely(in his mind) to give him the answers he wants.

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    • mlj102 says

      Regarding the song: I thought it was rather ironic that the waitress told Peter she would make him a CD since it was a long way to “I don’t know yet” and she wanted to make sure he stayed awake, yet the first song he listened to repeated the words “I could sleep” several times. That’s a great way to help someone stay awake…

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      • LizW65 says

        I just had a look at the lyrics to that song, and they consist entirely of the words:
        “I could sleep when I lived alone
        Is there a ghost in my house?”

        Kind of an apt metaphor for Peter’s journey thus far, I think…prior to joining the Fringe team he was truly alone, but now he’s haunted by the emotional connections he’s made to the others. Small wonder he’s unable to sleep now.

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  7. Elaine says

    I thought crazy dude living in the trailer with the hammer killed those women. He rambled on about wanting to be close to them…meaning the women. It all a bit confusing.

    Rachel, thanks for the title of that song. It was quite lovely and appropriate.

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    • says

      How would Newton have known all that he did if he and his bald compatriot hadn’t had some hand in the murders, though?

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      • Inkblood says

        They have spies everywhere! They could have been watching him ever since he left…

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  8. Bishop Takes Queen says

    Wow, I thought that was a fantastic episode. Really great flow, amazing use of the Vancouver (I mean, Washington) backdrop, and the revelations. And, of, the preview for next week. Damn this show is hot, hot, HOT right now.

    Anyone catch anything significant in the Bazooka Joe comic? I need to watch that episode again.

    I love this show.

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  9. hal says

    I wasn’t too thrilled by this episode.. I guess the whole backwoods sheriff town stuff reminds me of night of desirable objects.. also: didn’t make much sense. I am thinking.. Newton must have coaxed that man to commit the murders in a fashion that would make Peter know it was Newton, all the while luring Peter along with magic trick appearances of Newton and co..
    but then once they find out it was just that farm dude lulls Peter back into a false sense of security for that opportunity to catch him off guard near the end of the episode.

    well, i guess it really doesn’t matter now. this episode was just setting the stage for the finally anyway. walternate is here. the end.
    i must say tho, walter in the grocery store was equally hilarious and tragic.. best scene imo ;)

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  10. 7063keisha says

    great episode i was freaking out and i felt bad for the way peter felt about the waitress and then she died and even made him a mix CD, for walter because he was in a mental break down and just couldnt really function without peter, and for the waitress because she was happy and didnt deserve to die and cannot believe that it was walternate who actually took some time to look for peter and im proud because this was a case that peter actually figured out on his own without walter, olivia, broyles, massive dynamic, astrid.

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  11. rosull says

    Was that a painting of a frozen lake behind Peter’s head on the wall during the last scene? :)

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  12. says

    Meh. The thing about Peter going to Washington state is just because they film in Vancouver. In reality, i feel he would be out-of-the-country before anyone would think to look.

    The appearance of Walternate with Newton just didn’t jive w/ Peter working with the small-town Sheriff (though I am grateful they used an actress who wasn’t god-awful pretty), and she and Peter worked together well, because they seemed to know where he was.

    So, what was the point?

    Maybe, instead of “Brown Betty”, we could have had a “Fringe” where Peter is gone and they are trying to solve something, but they can’t — without Peter. So far, they’ve been able to at least get resolution to every case “Fringe” Division has come across. It would have been awesome to see them fail.

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    • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

      I also thought along those lines that if they were going to do this kind of an episode with Peter doing an investigation on his own, that he should be failing or not seeing things like normal because he’s not with the team. Because the team is what brought out his strengths. I think they should have emphasized that bond more, I think it would also make him see how much he does need them. And if he gets yanked to the other side, it will be bittersweet because he functions better in the team.

      Also I think we get to see a little bit of Peter sliding down the rabbit hole, maybe just like his father started to go crazy, he will too. And maybe he’s going crazy because he doesn’t have Walter and Olivia around him to ground HIM.

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  13. pugui says

    OK some more coherent yet still random thoughts.

    -Somehow it felt like a very musical episode. Both Walter and Peter turned to music to try to relax. The score sounded so eerie yet beautiful. It wasn’t until I logged on after watching, that I found out Mike McCready (from Pearl Jam) had composed it. He did a wonderful job translating Peter’s thoughts and feelings into music.

    -Peter had been a loner for most of his adult life. It seemed like he wanted to get back to that life, but he can’t seem to get into that mindset again.

    -He does like weapons apparently. What was he doing to those bullets? Filling them?

    -The scene between Olivia and Broyles cracked me up a bit. Olivia looked so pissed off when she figured out Broyles knew something. Her face was priceless, all this time looking and worrying… and Broyles even looked a bit sheepish! You go Olive!

    -Peter did his little touch-Jedi-trick at Mathis’ office when she was about to use the phone to call the FBI, “This are not the droids you are looking for”. I mean, he keeps touching people!

    -It’s really no joke, Toaster Pastry (aka Pop-Tarts) will kill you, but they are delicious.

    -I’m pretty sure Newton didn’t kill those girls. I think it’s clear that guy was really messed up in the head. So Peter solved the crime thinking he was solving his own case. Newton and Mr. Secretary seemed to be testing the waters a bit, maybe checking to see if he was alone.

    -Walternate’s entrance reminded me of Star Wars episode IV when Darth Vader first appears on screen. The music suddenly drops and gets grave and then it gets scary. Is Walternate really the villain of the piece? Judging by Peter’s face, you’d think so, he looked terrified. Maybe it was just the shock of seeing his real father so soon after learning that he is from over there. Man, I felt sorry for him, he looked like something just broke inside of him. Poor Pete’s gonna need some good sleeping pills and lots of therapy after this season is over.

    -That *is* a painting of a frozen lake at the head of Peter’s bed. They like those little details don’t they?

    -Newton’s was suddenly just standing there in the room and the music stopped suddenly and they added this sound… scared the crap out of me. Very effective.

    -Peter + chalkboard = like father like son lol

    -Did anyone spot the Observer? Is it possible they don’t even know where Peter is?

    -Sooo that’s why the boy is important! He’s going to bring about the end of the world! That explains everything doesn’t it? LOL Previews, gotta love them.

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    • Anjali says

      Spoiler removed.

      Hmmm, I guess we’ll soon see. But the preview looks sooo good. I don’t think I can wait till Thursday. I’m going to go crazy.

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  14. silverroad says

    I think it’s possible that Newton and Walternate and random bald guy simply used the situation for their own benefit. I don’t think they killed anyone, at the very least, they could have somehow influenced that guy to go after those girls, but just the fact that we see the waitress screaming her brains out… it seems extremely weird to me. So far, it should be noted that whenever there’s some sort of surgery done by the people from the other side, none of the victims go through such pain, unless my memory is wrong, that is? And I’m not sure about the second girl, but the waitress said she needed to get a sense of people’s *aura* first before making them a mixed cd, right? And this is something Fringe often mentions – our subconscious is capable of many things, including storing information that we consciously don’t really know we have. PLUS, Peter apparently transmits a different energy, we’ve seen that before through Olivia’s eyes. It could be possible the waitress was able to see that in a way, so that could definitely be a reason why they took part of her brain.

    So the man takes the girls(or one, at least) that are “valuable” to find Peter and he does whatever the hell, because what he said “i couldn’t stop! i just wanted to be closer to them!”. Newton and Walternate and bald guy take advantage of that…maybe by giving the dude a little push to act on his fucked up ideas, maybe not. Maybe the whole radio wave thing that bald dude(WHO IS HE?) had going could have been something of a mind control device, so to speak?

    The episode was a really good way to get us into Peter’s mind a little and discover more about him, and what some influences – the GOOD ones, like Mathis was – do to him and I think it’s a really BIG thing. Just from seeing the preview to the next episode, it becomes pretty clear. Everyone else from over there, at least the ones we KNOW and have grown to love, they all seemed kind of cold. I think this whole deep and emotional connection we see in the characters from over here is already an incredibly important thing to the mythology of the series. emotion, as we’ve seen with that one Observer, is abnormal and makes you do the wrong thing, but that’s just what they think! as we know, love is one of the strongest feelings, and makes people do some crazy but also incredible things. so… I guess we’ll see what happens. I can’t wait!

    Spoiler removed.

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  15. Ric says

    First time to see Martha Plimpton since the Goonies! Loved her acting. Loved the little Twin Peaks shout outs: scenery, pie, girl on the water shore, empty bridge and especially musically when Sheriff Mathis puts down the phone in one of the early scenes.

    Can’t wait to see the John Noble double acting performances.

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  16. WeazerDevil says

    In regards to the observers, I speculate that there may not be one, because they did not know where Peter was at the end of 2.18; However, I have not finished looking at the episode frame by frame in the likely spots…

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  17. bdp says

    I’m relieved to see that some others here felt the same about the episode that I did. After it wrapped up (and I had the necessary time to come down from my high after seeing next week’s promo) I thought about it and it just kinda felt empty. I mean, yes, there were good moments: Walter’s supermarket breakdown, Olivia breaking down Broyles for information in about 5 seconds, Peter’s calming touch on Mathis and just him in general going rogue for a bit, but I still felt like something was missing.

    I agree that the episode was definitely confusing in the whole did Newton have anything to do with the deaths or not thing. But I think what may have been the biggest thing for me was something I read that mlj wrote. There really has been no emotional reaction by anyone on the show except for Walter, even Peter took off but hasn’t really shown much of anything except that they alluded to the fact that he hasn’t been able to sleep. I think it’s just starting to bug me that they’ve built up this odd little family unit and all the sudden one just up and leaves and we just get these stoic blank faces worn most of the time by everybody else.

    Anyways, after my rant, one thing I did like a lot, mainly because I think it will tie in well with the next two episodes (and possibly even further) was the line and pen Mathis gave to Peter. Telling him to find the crack and that he’d find his place. I really liked that scene, I though it was very sweet and at the same time very relevant to exactly what Peter is trying to do and why he’s having his identity crisis. That said I think that will play a big role in what happens when Peter goes over to the other side, whether he goes willingly with Newton and Walternate or they force him (I suspect the former) and who he ultimately sides with (utlimately I suspect “our” side). But truth be told I am definitely thrilled and worried for the last two episodes, they’re going to be amazing I’m sure but I’m worried to see just how much Peter feels “his place” is with them.

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    • LizW65 says

      I’ve thought for some time that one of the show’s primary themes was finding one’s place in the world (or worlds) and your comment ties in nicely to that.

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  18. Jodie says

    I think that this episode was supposed to show us that Peter is close to a nervous breakdown. Peter was hallucinating Newton and the other shape shifter. He didn’t get any phone calls from Newton. The first time Newton shows up in reality is with Peter’s father at the end of the episode. Peter is just wigging out. His reaction to all this makes Walter’s little episode in the grocery store look mundane. I need to watch the episode again, but seriously, the guy was hallucinating. Mathis checks out the phone calls and there were no phone calls to Peter. Peter can’t understand why Mathis doesn’t see Newton run past her in the forest because Newton isn’t there.

    The one thing that I’m have a problem with is how the dairy guy knew about the temporal lobe connection. I’m thinking that Peter is so out of it that he can’t think of anything else, and he influenced this guy to hurt the girls in this way. Dairy guy was planning to murder the girls in some gruesome way and Peter’s psychic ability pushed him to removing part of their brains.

    Anyway, I know this episode is kind of confusing, but when you realize that Peter is actually losing it, it then makes sense. We are seeing Peter literally fall apart. He is ripe for some Walternate manipulation.

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    • Ari says

      WOW! Jodie, your take is kind of out there, but the only one that makes sense.. the temporal lobe thing is still bothering me.

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      • Jodie says

        My take isn’t kind of out there. Why is it so hard to believe that Peter is totally losing it? Mathis tells Peter that the only part of his story that checks out is his identity. There were no phone calls to Peter’s hotel room. If a call was placed to his phone, there would have been a record. Peter himself can’t understand how Mathis wouldn’t have seen Newton run past her in the woods. He then jumps to the conclusion that she must be a shifter herself. Mathis keeps telling him that he doesn’t have a grip on reality.

        Everyone is upset that we haven’t been shown Peter’s reaction to finding out that his life has been a total lie, but we are being shown that in this episode. He is losing it. We saw Walter’s reaction and coping mechanism in “Brown Betty” and in this episode we see Peter’s. He isn’t coping at all.

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        • LizW65 says

          Very interesting theory–in fact the exact same thing occurred to me this afternoon as I was driving home! When you think about it, that’s the only way the plot remotely makes sense.

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        • mlj102 says

          I agree that they seemed to be trying to convey the point that Peter was pretty much losing it and he was making things up to fit with what he thought was going on… But that still leaves a lot of questions. Is it just a coincidence that two of his victims happened to have connections to Peter? Why did he remove parts of the brains of the girls? What was the deal with the deputy — why did he kidnap him, but not kill him? Is it just a coincidence that after Peter had imagined seeing Newton all over the place, it turned out that he really was there?

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          • Jodie says

            Peter had a connection with just one of the girls (Kristin). The second girl had no connection with Peter even though he was trying really hard to figure out some connection. There wasn’t any. The deputy was kidnapped in order to get his uniform (It is easy to get your victim to lower their guard if you look like an officer. The second victim was taken in this way.)

            As to “Is it just a coincidence that after Peter had imagined seeing Newton all over the place, it turned out that he really was there?” No that wasn’t a coincidence, Peter is psychic. I think that he sensed that Newton was coming for him. Just like I think that Peter who can’t stop thinking about Newton, what he wants, why is Newton here, what does this have to do with me, why did the Observers save me, I need answers…could project those thoughts out into the area and affect the murderer. We know that Peter can communicate through close proximity as in the “Arrival” and with his touch, so why couldn’t he project his thoughts as well. He is very upset, and his abilities could very well be growing. It’s just a theory, but frankly, how could Newton influence the murderer? Newton didn’t kill these girls. They were in pain and very scared. We have never seen Newton act in any way but as a polite and well-mannered individual. Why would some dairy farmer be involved with Newton. I think that the dairy farmer was going to murder these girls in some gruesome way, and Peter some how influenced his choice of methods. Of course, Peter doesn’t realize this. He doesn’t seem to be aware of his abilities at all.

            This episode doesn’t make sense with any other explanation. Peter is trying to put a brave face on things: flirting with the waitress (all the while ordering Walter’s favorite pie) and making jokes with his car’s navigation system (after having spent the night sleeping on the couch in the hotel lobby!) Mathis and her deputy can see that he is kind of crazy. They keep saying it over and over.

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            • Elaine says

              “No that wasn’t a coincidence, Peter is psychic. I think that he sensed that Newton was coming for him. ”

              This is where a well placed “flashback” of the man on the bridge, crossing over, Newton would have served the story immensely. I didn’t feel like the story brought me in to what Peter was feeling or sensing until the very end.

              Like I said, it wasn’t a bad episode…not at all. The performances were wonderful per usual, but something about it just didn’t gel.

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            • mlj102 says

              I know that the second girl wasn’t connected to Peter — when I mentioned two victims that were connected to Peter I was referring to Krista and the Deputy. The Deputy may not have been killed, but he was still a victim. That said, I still think the “Peter going crazy” theory is most likely what they were going for, but it still doesn’t fit for me. Why did he kill the girls, but keep the Deputy alive? I would think he would have killed all of them or none of them. The killer’s motives and actions just don’t make any sense whatsoever. And that bothers me.

              I have to say, I really don’t agree with your psychic Peter theory. It’s just a little too out there, even for Fringe. I’ll admit that, if that theory is correct, they could possibly have a way to make it work without sounding implausible, but based on what we know right now I just don’t see it happening. I don’t think Peter was psychic in The Arrival. The Rogue was using special equipment and very specific questions to get Peter to realize what he didn’t even know. Actually, a line from this episode reminded me of that. Peter was telling the sheriff about how the brain is a great recording device and remembers all the little details, and he pointed out that Krista likely had details about Peter that she didn’t even know she had. I think that’s the same kind of thing that happened with Peter in The Arrival — he had knowledge of details he didn’t know he had. I don’t think it is evidence that Peter is psychic. I agree that it would seem that he has some special ability regarding touch — but I think that’s the extent of it. It involves touch, not reading other people’s thoughts or influencing others with your own thoughts. I suppose it’s possible, but I personally don’t think that’s what they’re leading up to.

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              • Joe Curwen says

                “Why did he kill the girls, but keep the Deputy alive? I would think he would have killed all of them or none of them. The killer’s motives and actions just don’t make any sense whatsoever. And that bothers me. ”

                Me too. It was poor plotting. There are so many things about this episode that didn’t make sense or were outright mistakes.

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              • Jodie says

                I’m not really sure how to respond to this comment, but all the cortexiphan soldiers have psychic abilities. They did a complete episode on Nick Lane’s abilities in “Bad Dreams.” I think that the writers have been going in this direction from the beginning of the show. I can’t think of any other term to use when talking about Peter’s “ability” than to refer to it as psychic. He is affecting people with his mind through physical contact. It seems logical that his ability would grow over time or during periods of stress.

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                • mlj102 says

                  Jodie —

                  That explanation makes a bit more sense to me… I agree that Peter has some ability, though I am hesitant to believe that it extends to reading other people’s thoughts or influencing others with his own thoughts. I guess my problem with it in this particular scenario is that, according to your theory, he would have unintentionally influenced the dairy farmer to kill the girls in a way like he expected Newton would kill. But it’s just so random. Why would his thoughts have happened to influence that one particular person, who he’d never even met? With Nick Lane, he was influencing people who had been nearby when he was having his negative feelings. It wasn’t some random person across town who suddenly caught his emotions and decided to commit suicide. As far as we know, Peter had never been in the same area with this guy, and the guy definitely wasn’t around during the times Peter was having his paranoid feelings that Newton might be around. Besides that, in Nick’s case, the effect of his emotions on other people would wear off after a time (the woman who killed her husband returned to normal after awhile). Nick’s emotions temporarily affected one person at a time. But what you’re suggesting is that Peter’s fears jumped to this guy and stayed with him indefinitely. Why weren’t others influenced by his feelings or thoughts? Also, Nick had shown signs of this ability his whole life. The doctor at the hospital had told Olivia and Peter that Nick had always seemed to have a certain influence over people based on his own feelings. With Peter, we’ve seen evidence that his touch has a calming, maybe even healing influence, but nothing has suggested that he can read minds or influence others’ thoughts. I understand that Peter’s ability could be different from Nick’s, though I still think it would be subject to certain limitations or boundaries, which we saw with Nick. I just see no reason to support the theory that Peter is psychic in that way. Of course, like I said, I could be very wrong…

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                  • Jodie says

                    Well, we do see the killer waiting for Kristin outside of the diner so I do think that he was near Peter. As to why would the killer would be influenced and not anyone else? Who knows. Maybe he’s a bit psychic. I’m just trying to figure out a way that this episode makes sense. It doesn’t make sense to me that Newton would kill these random girls, and the way it was done isn’t Newton’s MO. These girls were terrified and in pain, and Newton has never been seen to operate in this way.

                    And I’m not saying that Peter influenced a totally normal man to commit murder. This guy was set up for some nasty serial killing rampage. I’m just saying maybe in stead of dismembering them he removed parts of their brain. Frankly, there are holes in this episode no matter which way I lean toward trying to piece theories together. But things work better if Peter is coming unglued rather than Newton is doing all of these killings.

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                    • mlj102 says

                      Jodie — I’m sorry if my comments have been making you frustrated… that wasn’t my intention. Like you, I’m also trying to find a way for the episode to make sense, but no matter how I look at it, there are always certain points that don’t seem to fit or make sense. As I’ve said, I agree with you that the “Peter is losing his mind” interpretation is the one that makes the most sense (though I still don’t agree with the psychic aspect of that theory). I don’t think that Newton was at all connected with the deaths, meaning that a lot of those connections were all in Peter’s mind. But even then, there are still a lot of things that don’t fit and that bugs me. So I’m not trying to bash your theory, just pointing out that even though it’s the most plausible theory, there are still things that it can’t seem to explain. As you said, “Frankly, there are holes in this episode no matter which way I lean toward trying to piece theories together.” And that’s the sad truth of the matter…

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            • Joe Curwen says

              Jodie, I mostly agree with you. One other piece of evidence that Peter was imagining Newton (until the last scene) was that Newton was shown to simply disappear and reappear when Peter was chasing him in the forest. This is something that Newton can’t do – unless they were introducing us to a new ability of Newton’s just for this episode, which would be incredibly lame and unlikely.

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        • fedorafadares says

          I think your theory is plausible because Peter’s not the only one who’s questioned his own sanity.

          Olivia did the same when she returned from her meeting with Bell and visited Sam Weiss — who I think is Olivia’s hallucination.

          Olivia’s perception has been altered by Cortexiphan and I think Peter was experimented on, too. Altered perception = crazy.

          This, coupled with Astrid’s warning to Olivia last week about “looking for things that aren’t there” and the sheriff’s warning to Peter this week may be telling.

          Maybe Walter’s theory about absorbing someone’s thoughts just by being close to them is actually correct — they’ve caught crazy from Walter!

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        • Elaine says

          I got the impression after watching the episode that there was a scene or two missing that may have helped establish Peter’s mindset a little better, but perhaps got edited for time. After listening (it’s amazing what you pick up when you just listen) to the episode at work earlier, I did get a better sense of what the writers were trying to convey. However, I think it may have been the opening scene with Peter coming across as happy go lucky, flirting with the waitress that just didn’t fit. Perhaps something similar to how we saw Peter at end with that ‘I’m no where’ contemplative expression on his face before he drifted off, bookended by him trying but struggling to sleep before he decides to hit the local diner for pie and a flirt at the beginning. I don’t know…something was amiss, and I think it had more to do with the emotions for each character not flowing together as smoothly as they normally do.

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        • SF says

          I have to come in here and ask if you remember when Olivia was getting phone calls from John Scott in Season 1. Remember she checked with the operator – no calls were logged in, and then John starts using the computer to communicate with her? We never get an explanation fully, just theroized by Walter that Johns’ mind in Olivia’s is trying to get her attention, so she sees him and gets the messages. I never fully bought that theory and I am applying it here to Peter – so the question is, if Olivia really did have John’s memories in her for a time, before their brain wave rhythms separated in Transformation for good, whose brain waves has Peter picked up?

          I didn’t think of him have a breakdown, it’s an interesting theory and I’m going to have to rewatch the episode with this in mind. Mostly I didn’t like the episode, found it very disappointing, in part because of what other commentators have said here, we don’t get into everyone’s reactions to Peter’s leaving. We’ve had this big build-up, huge, and – nothing. Olivia is running around trying to find him and looking more lost until she gets news from Broyles, Walter is barely holding it together, Astrid looked awful, but we don’t get to see them crying or drinking or falling apart. I want to see some of that, because we’ve seen all this angst over telling the secret. It deserves a better and bigger emotional payout.

          That said, the picture above the bed with the lake and snow – I noticed that and wondered if they were going to use that to cross over! lol

          I’m going to have to think about Peter falling apart in this episode and losing his grip on reality. Maybe that’s why he didn’t leave the country. He’s lost everything, even though he hasn’t really – the sheriff’s message to him at the end about finding a home made me think he already has one, his strange little family unit, but now Walternate has come to take him back…..

          Spoiler removed.

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  19. Pam says

    Very good episode but, I felt too, like some others here, that the case of those two girls were not really relevant and the only important scene was walternate meeting Peter. They could have developed that a bit more.

    I think Peter will go willingly with Walternate and he has to be there to realize he is more earth 1 bound than he thinks he is. Also, he has to be with, interact with Walternate to see how ruthless Walternate could be to realize how repenting Walter is and ultimately figure out Walter is more of a father to him than his biological one. This is similar to an identity crisis that most adopted kids go thru, and most ultimately realize they belong with their adopted family.

    Btw, does anybody have the preview video file or link? Please share if you have one.

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  20. ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

    I am also thinking that Peter was being influenced in some way by the weird telephone calls. i think they were a mind control thing or a way of hypnotizing him, I do think they were real and he wasn’t hallucinating them. I think that either he or Newton or a combination of both influenced the guy in the woods to kill those girls, he did say he couldn’t stop it. Maybe it was to draw Peter out.

    And if the calls were coming from the alt-universe would they really be traceable??

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  21. FringeFan2009 says

    Man, I have to say that I was not impressed with this episode either. I mean, Peter just became a character that I did not like. The whole time, he thought that he was the cause of some girls (that he tried to get laid with) death, and he doesn’t even bring in reinforcements. I mean, what makes Peter think that he can catch Newton all by himself? And he knows damn well of the consequences if he doesn’t, but he still doesn’t want to call the FBI, because he doesn’t want to see Walter. That’s pretty selfish. This episode has brought me to the conclusion that Peter is only a good person when surrounded by good people. The Fringe team keeps him in check, although it is no overt. Meaning, when he is around Olivia and company, they give him a sense of responsibility to something greater. When he is by himself, he’s a reckless teenager, that doesn’t think about consequences. Also, where is everyone else? They didn’t show the team looking for him. Plus, since Peter left with his own free will, they would not have been able to use FBI resources to find him. If they were using the government’s time to find him, I doubt Broyles wouldn’t tell Olivia where he was, just so she could stop investigating. Also, what is up with the dairy farm and the psycho guy at the end. That was just bad story telling, then Walternate shows up out of the blue. Man, what a waste of a potentially great scene. Don’t get me wrong, I love episodes where you can find out more about characters, but what they revealed about Peter wasn’t good. It definitely made me like him less. But don’t ignore the rest of the team, especially when the 95% of the episode had nothing to do with the mythology. Crazy! Okay, I’m going to stop ranting now…Writers, come on!!!

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    • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

      I’m hoping that’s what the writers are going for, that Peter needs Walter and Olivia more than he realizes, because they are the ones that made him grounded and a good person. i think WE don’t like him in this ep because HE doesn’t like himself right now, he is so far away from any of his grounding influences and losing it right in front of everybody and he doesn’t know which way is up or down. But yeah, his insistence on NOT calling in reinforcements was irritating and I think Mathis should have called them in anyways. But I do think Peter ‘influenced’ her in some way not to, any rational sheriff would have not just trusted this random guy who has been clearly hallucinating and is clearly ‘off his rocker’ like she said.

      Oh and did any one notice that Newton and Walternate didn’t show up until Peter ‘went to sleep’ or was calmed down by the music?

      That said, I really, really, REALLY want to know what the rest of the songs on the Peter Bishop CD were…

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    • mlj102 says

      “I mean, what makes Peter think that he can catch Newton all by himself? And he knows damn well of the consequences if he doesn’t, but he still doesn’t want to call the FBI, because he doesn’t want to see Walter.”

      I thought the same thing. I thought for sure that as soon as he suspected Newton was involved, he would inform the others. He has to know that Olivia would want to know about anything that was connected with Newton and I would think that, despite whatever anger he feels towards her and Walter, he would put it aside for something as significant as Newton. So it bothered me that he was so insistent that the sheriff not contact the FBI. He is also well aware of how powerful Newton is — did he really think he could capture/stop him on his own?

      The only possible explanation is that, like he told the sheriff, bringing in the FBI would only alert Newton and cause him to disappear, and he wasn’t going to let his answers disappear with him. But even then, he should know that if Newton is there, it’s because he has a purpose, and he’s not going to just run away just because the FBI have located him. Their involvement has never stopped him before, so why would it stop him this time?

      I agree that it was a poor choice for him to not contact the FBI simply because he didn’t want to see Walter. Couldn’t he just tell them not to bring Walter? And if he really wants to be left alone, I would think all he has to do is tell Olivia that he wants them to leave him alone, and she would respect that. But right now he hasn’t even talked to her — it’s no wonder she is desperately looking for him and wants to see if she can talk him into coming back. I don’t see why he won’t just tell her to leave him alone.

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      • Inkblood says

        “I agree that it was a poor choice for him to not contact the FBI simply because he didn’t want to see Walter.”
        I think it’s more than that. Remeber what Peter said to the sheriff? Something about “I will catch him and I will get my answers”, along those lines. I think he knew that Newton knew something and he needed to get his answers w/o Walter, Olivia, and the FBI around.

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        • Fred says

          Perhaps Peter did not call the FBI because he viewed Newton as a path to the alternate uni and his real father.

          Peter is smart and understands that the shape shifters are his best approach to learn about the alternate uni and determine a means to meet Walternate (his biological father) given that he does not want Walter’s help. I think Peter is seeking Newton to try to find a path to Walternate.

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          • FringeFan2009 says

            The problem is, that even though he wants his answers, he doesn’t have the right to sacrifice other peoples lives to get there. Up until the end, Peter thought that the reason those people were dying was because of him. But even then, he didn’t do what was best for the innocent people around him. He was thinking of himself and only himself. The whole time he didn’t seem guilty at all, he just went gung ho, with buying weapons and stuff. Plus if Newton could track him down that close and new everyone he talked to, that means that they already had him under surveillance. Why would they need to go through so much trouble to dig people’s brains out to gather unimportant intelligence on him. That was just stupid. I mean look how much agony Olivia went through just on whether to tell Peter about his origins. Can you imagine how she would have reacted if someone actually died b/c of her? The guilt would kill her. Peter didn’t even react. He was just relaxed. I think that we were kind of fooled by Peter in a way, cuz we’ve only seen him within the context of Fringe division. But, this is probably who Peter was before he joined the team. Considering his bio, running everytime a difficult situation comes his way. Right now, he is actually regressing to his old self.

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            • Inkblood says

              Put yourself in his shoes. You really, really want answers cuz, guess what, you whole life was a lie! Everyone and everything in it!
              So why would you care about a couple people who, hey, are gonna some day anyway?

              It’s a very juvenile looking why to see things, but Peter is a the point where he doesn’t even known who he is anymore. We all know he’s Peternate, but as far as he knows, he could be Joe Bob. Suddenly, it’s all about Peter to him, everything that Fringy is about him. So, of course, a couple deaths aren’t important to him. People die everyday.

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              • FringeFan2009 says

                It’s really not that hard to imagine being Peter’s shoes actually. What about parents in America, adopting from another country. A lot of times they tell the parents that their child will have a better life here, to get them to give them up for adoption. They bring the child over, but don’t tell the child that he/she was adopted. Maybe they told him/her, or maybe, some the person found out through some other means. But, their whole life was a lie. This happens everyday also. Heck, there are reports of illegally taking children from their families to sell them to adoption agencies. The trigger here, is not that these are random people, these are people that died as a direct result of Peter being irresponsible and selfish. There is a difference. What Peter was doing is considered negligence. Heck, I thinking, how many people have to die for Peter to finally “own” up.

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                • Weedum says

                  Sorry, fringefan but what are you talking about? Nobody died because of him. it was a coincedence that these women died. The serial killer was freaking crazy and it had NOTHING to do with peter.

                  I think your Peter hatred has clouded your brain.

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                • Inkblood says

                  The DIFFERENCE is that Peeta… oh, wait, sorry wrong site, Peter… isn’t from another country. He’s not for this universe. He’s from an alterate reality, and everything, not just his life, is now a lie for him.

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      • SF says

        You are absolutely right here, mlj102: ” He has to know that Olivia would want to know about anything that was connected with Newton and I would think that, despite whatever anger he feels towards her and Walter, he would put it aside for something as significant as Newton.” You know, I was so upset about the show that I forgot this point, and it’s so important. Even if he’s angry at them, Newton and what Newton wants to do is more important than Peter or any one of them. I think it goes to show just how Peter’s judgement is off, that after it’s over, he still doesn’t call Broyles to tell him the outcome, and as you and I agree mlj102,he doesn’t call Olivia to tell her. No matter how mad he is, Peter that we know would still find a way to let her know, if only by email. Ok, now I’m mad at Peter!!! lol

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    • SF says

      I’ve been ranting too all day. When we see Peter flirt with the waitress I was ok, it’s normal, but when he makes the date to see her after I went into shock. I know he thinks Olivia isn’t into him that way (even though we know she is now), but this is Peter we’re talking about who’s spent the last year looking after his father and becoming caring. I just thought, ew, a one night pick up, how sad is that? Of course, the thing is, how lonely is he feeling right now? Very. We do get to see Peter care about the sheriff, and care about this girl after, but it was just strange and off somehow – the whole episode was. The writing was sloppy, I agree. I mean, serial killers usually pick a type when they kill, so what was with keeping the police officer alive? If the dairy farmer was suddenly killing girls, why? We don’t see the sheriff do any investigating – only Peter does most of the work – surely the sheriff would know of any event in the farmer’s life that could trigger such an event. But you know, maybe this episode was odd, jerky, because it was filmed in a sense showing how Peter is relating to the world – he’s off-kilter, jerky, having difficulty knowing what to do. So maybe this is his episode. Still – he’s ignoring Olivia totally and she doesn’t deserve that. At least a phone call to her to tell her to stop looking, something! he’s supposed to care for her. it’s just not a very good episode over all. the stuff with Newton in the forest – was there a door there? Is he starting to see the other side? Why was Newton shooting him with a tranquilizer, and then later talking to him like nothing had happened? did they decide to use Walternate to get Peter to come more easily?

      The best part is the ending, with the pen (that will be key, I agree with whoever said that), and Peter finally resting to the music that the girl made for him. As a Peter fan – I love his character, this episode has been so disappointing for me. I wanted to get into his head and know what he was thinking. why didn’t he go look at the grave of the real Peter? Or the ‘mother’ who died? Asking Nina how Bell went over? I mean, doing something instead of always reacting. I would have liked him to stop running and start to see what he does value, but I forgot, this is Peter! and he’s never been able to do that before. It will take the end of the universe for him to figure that out, I think. Please let us see some emotion as well as cool myth episodes over the next two episodes!!!

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      • annon says

        Well, you won’t get that unfortunately, I don’t think. The writers have never really given the audience much about Peter, his thoughts and how he survived while Walter was in the asylum. All we know is that he led a rather shady life.

        I would love to see what he is thinking about the whole situation, as you have stated above, but I don’t think they will go there. This show is all about Walter and Olivia. Peter has always been a character that is important but only at certain points in the show. For the most part since the start of the show he has always been in the background and mainly there as Walter’s carer.

        Loved what you wrote SF and agree with most of what you said. Rather than show what was in Peter’s head, the writers decided to do the MOTW with Peter investigating. I could see what they were trying to do, but they just could of done it a bit better. I don’t agree with all the Peter hate. Peter in trying to deal with his trauma has gone back to the way he was before the pilot. It’s his way of removing himself from the pain of Walter and his traumatic childhood. I’m not surprised he has not contacted Olivia. Her and Walter come as a package know. When Olivia found out where Walter was, she immediately told Walter. Peter knows that, and he cannot deal with Walter at the momment, as it’s just too painful. So, he has to not talk to Olivia either for that reason. Josh Jackson also plays emotions very well with his eyes. During this episode, you could see the hurt and sadness in his eyes. Peter’s in alot of pain and he is not dealing with all of this at all. So, I’m dealing him alot of slack. Peter has to find out who he really is now but I’m not convinced that as a viewer I’m going to get to see that journey.

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        • SF says

          I really like how you say Peter has gone back to the way he was before (Fringe), the way he dealt with pain and trauma in his childhood. I think you’re exactly right, annon. And I don’t think we’re going to have time to deal with the emotional fall-out, with the next two episodes, so I think that is why I was disappointed. I care so much about all three characters, and it does hurt to see Peter so lost and not knowing where he belongs. But, too, we are dealing with a group of people who aren’t the best at expressing their feelings, and until they find Peter, maybe Olivia and Walter are hanging on as best as they can, not giving up yet. So they’re not going to discuss what they feel, not yet, but it would have been good to see what Olivia’s doing at home, and why suddenly they don’t have any Fringe cases to solve without Peter. It would have been interesting to see Olivia and Walter and Astrid stumble towards some answers in a case, while Peter worked with Martha here – illustrate how they all work as a team, and what Peter is needed for, in side-by-side cases on either side of the country. That would have been fun. I’m just saying, there are cleverer ways to illustrate what’s happened, and while I loved Twin Peaks while it was on, Fringe isn’t Twin Peaks (thank heavens because it got weird by the end!) and I don’t need any TP stuff to help me understand what Peter is going through. I wanted the writers to do an episode about Peter now, and I guess I’ll have to settle for his sad eyes and his “I don’t know where I’m from” shock – it is a shock. But, you know, he had those dreams as a child, and it would be nice to see him put that together himself, and realize he had known all along, he just buried it because his father asked him to. That’s what I mean, see Peter actively comb back through his life and see what clues he missed. He has 196 IQ, I want to see him use it. And not just in making circles fast on a map as he plots out crime scene trajectories!

          It was fun to see him confuse Newton with looking for him, and i think some of the comments about the guilt Olivia would feel are interesting, but don’t forget Peter was feeling guilty about the girl – he was blaming himself for her death, even though he couldn’t know at the time Newton was there. In the beginning anyway, since we know by the end it didn’t have to do with him, but we do see him feeling guilty and trying to help, and that was the Peter I love.

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        • mlj102 says

          “The writers have never really given the audience much about Peter, his thoughts and how he survived while Walter was in the asylum”

          I disagree. While there is certainly more that can be learned about Peter, and I agree that he hasn’t gotten quite the same focus as have Olivia/Walter, I don’t believe Peter has been as neglected as some people seem to think he has been. I think we’ve been given a lot of information into his past, how he ended up over here, his character/personality, etc.

          “This show is all about Walter and Olivia.”

          Again, I disagree. I think all three of the lead characters are equally significant to the story being told. It’s an unusual dynamic because typically there are just two lead characters, but I really think that the three of them have equal roles and they’re all tied together. It’s kind of like the way their relationships were established at the beginning — the three of them were brought together out of their need for one another. You take away any of them, and the story can’t work.

          “I don’t agree with all the Peter hate.”

          I don’t think it’s so much an issue of “Peter hate” as it is “Peter confusion.” At least for me, I find his actions in this episode unusual, even when I factor in the fact that he’s responding to having his life turned upside down. It’s not so much “Peter hate” as it is disappointment that the episode didn’t do a better job of addressing the issue of Peter being separated from the team.

          “I’m not surprised he has not contacted Olivia. Her and Walter come as a package know. When Olivia found out where Walter was, she immediately told Walter. Peter knows that, and he cannot deal with Walter at the momment, as it’s just too painful. So, he has to not talk to Olivia either for that reason.”

          Honestly, it’s very inconsiderate of him to just up and leave Olivia like he did. I understand why he acted the way he did, which makes it understandable, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was inconsiderate. Personally, I think if he would just contact Olivia, explain his position to her, and tell her he didn’t want her to tell Walter (just like he did with Broyles) she would respect that. And he knows that. So I think it’s a lame excuse to say he’s not contacting Olivia simply because she and Walter are now a packaged deal. That said, I still think it was out of place for Olivia to tell Walter about finding Peter and to invite him to come with her to see him. I understand that it was supposed to be a nice gesture coming from her, but I think it was foolish and it was a plot contrivance. Olivia would know that Peter is furious at Walter right now, and there would be no way to talk to him if she just shows up with Walter. She should have gone out on her own, tried to talk to Peter and come to some sort of understanding with him, and then dealt with how to involve Walter in the matter.

          “Unfortunately, with them concentrating so much on the alt universe and what that whole world is about for the next two weeks, I don’t think they will be delving too much into the emotions of all the characters, with regards to the Peter reveal.”

          Again, I don’t think this is a fair assumption to make. Fringe has proven that it is more than capable of including emotion in each episode — in fact, they have made a point of centering their stories around emotion. Even when there is a lot going on, there is still the element of emotion that is in the focus. Momentum Deferred, August, Grey Matters, Jacksonville, Peter, White Tulip… all these episodes and more involved a lot of development of the story as well as a lot of emotion. I think that’s why I have been disappointed since the reveal that Peter isn’t from here a couple of episodes ago because I know what Fringe is capable of when it comes to emotion, but it feels like with this extremely important story line, they have dropped the ball. That said, I fully believe they can redeem themselves in the finale. I think there will be plenty of opportunity to highlight the emotion in each of the characters surrounding Peter’s disappearance — especially now that he is on the other side and reunited with his “real” family — and I expect them to make the most of that.

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  22. FlashWriter says

    There were things I really liked about this ep. First, there’s just something I like in Josh’s screen presence. I wish I could define it, but it was great with him being number one on the runway this week. Secondly, there was this great, kind of mistiness in the feel of the ep. –very X-Fileish. I simply loved the pace and the semi-spooky atmosphere. The phone calls reminded me of “The Mothman Prophesies”, even though I’m not quite sure what Newton was trying to do there. Of course, there was that fantastic scene with John Noble going to pieces in the market.

    On the other hand, there seems to be a few, kind of wierd “drop outs”, many of them have already been mentioned but I’ll throw in my 11 cents. It has been openly pointed out by Broyles and also a given that Walter Bishop is an “Asset” who is irreplaceable to the Fringe Team’s operation. Considering Walter’s fragile mental state in the current situation, and his inherent mental instability, and his worth to our side in the impending war, I just can’t fathom that the FBI would leave him completely alone and unguarded–for ANY reason, no matter what the asset wants. Yet there he was, apparently having been left alone for some extended amount of time. That bothers me more than a little bit. Watch your assets, boys and girls or you just might end up LOOKING like…ass…ets (boooooo. :) )

    And finally, I’m really not sure who did what to whom regarding the brain surgeries. Throughout the whole ep, I thought it was Newton on another nefarious crusade to find some kind of data–we even were led to believe it was a shape-shifter way of tracking Peter. But NO! We suddenly find this farmer (was he or was he not a shape shifter?), who was a nut case claiming responsibily for the murders. But yet Newton (Mr. brain-core) and the (tah-dummmmmm) Secretary (Mr. Alter-Walter, no less) were really sculking around in the background. Aaaand: was that farmer dude a shape-shifter or not? My feeling was not, but then what was he doing apple-coring women’s brains in such a specific manner? Why, exactly, didn’t he kill the deputy, already?

    I guess what I’m trying to say is that even though I was able to pay close attention to the ep, I still feel like I missed a few things (so, once again, iTunes here I come). Judging from the comments, I’m not alone on this. Frankly, I think there is something inherently wrong with a script for an episode that your feel you have to re-watch just to understand it. I noticed in the credits that our standard group of writers didn’t write this episode. Perhaps our production team could watch the original director’s cut a little more closely? Or maybe it was too late to fix anything? Things just don’t seem as neat as they should this time around.

    These and other questions will be answered in later episodes (Iiiii hope…)

    Well. Anyway. Even with these faults, I still liked the episode–especially for the last few seconds. Let’s not forget the previews, which seemed to be almost as interesting as the whole of the preceding show.

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    • mlj102 says

      Oh, don’t say that!

      I only react like that because I’ve had that same persistent thought in the back of my mind for the last couple of weeks. It’s just the kind of thing I could see them doing and I don’t like that thought at all. I keep telling myself they would never kill off Olivia, but seeing that someone else has that same strange feeling is not very comforting…

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      • SF says

        Me too, I’ve been having a terrible feeling, and I love our Olivia and it wouldn’t be Fringe without her!!! I don’t want any of our team to die, but I have this bad feeling and now the preview clip is NOT helping! lol so now I’m creeped out that other people are feeling the same way I am!

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  23. Stefan says

    So this is how the X-Files would have looked without Scully? ;)
    Actually kinda liked it: 7 – Stabalized my feeling towards Fringe again.

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  24. LizW65 says

    Don’t mean to hijack the thread, but I’m curious–can anyone tell me why my first comment (#37) is “awaiting moderation”? It doesn’t contain any spoilers or links, so I don’t understand what the problem is. Did it show up for anyone else or is it missing?

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    • Stefan says

      I had that too once. I think it’s a software problem on the server side – the other side so to speak.
      And as I don’t see your comment as #37, just do what I did: Copy and repost.

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  25. fedorafadares says

    Juvenile moment, here:

    “Find the crack” made me laugh (yeah, I know) but it made me think about several things:

    — Could a crack between the universes be the river that ran under the bridge Peter and the sheriff were standing on? The sheriff believes in the supernatural. Is it the “Northwest Passage” to the other side?

    — In “Brown Betty,” the glass heart had a crack down the middle, the line where Musical Peter broke it in two, saving the day.

    — “Find the crack” pen comes with a warning from the sheriff. It’s chilling to think that Peter, like Olivia, is looking for meaning where none exists. You know how people suffering from paranoia “see” things everywhere they look. (The Bazooka wrapper also falls into this line of thinking.) Have they caught Walter’s paranoia just by being near him? This would be a tremendous bummer if the whole thing were a paranoid fantasy, but pretty cool to think that all the coincidences aren’t really coincidences, after all.

    — Maybe Peter needs to find some crack to smoke. Hey, works for Walter!

    On an unrelated note: I think it’s really cool that the set designers found a hotel bedspread that looked like it had a single helix design. In the last scene, Peter’s head was right in between to halves of DNA. Cool.

    And a question: When Peter met Newton in the woods who was the guy standing next to Newton?

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    • fedorafadares says

      Sorry, I wanted to add this:

      Wasn’t the “Northwest Passage” a theoretical route explorers sought? Something that was never found?

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      • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

        Yes that’s exactly probably most likely maybe what it is… :P

        So he’s searching for something that’s not there. But what parts aren’t there? We know Walternate and Newton were there and they are trying to get him, so why all the theatrics? I think Peter has a mixture of Walter’s craziness and Walternate’s evil/maniacal/crazy side. I think his own descent into madness is starting… Wasn’t it something like this that put Walter in the institution in the first place? Are they saying somebody’s going to die because of Peter, much like Walter’s assistant did?!?!? Please don’t let it be Olivia…

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        • LizW65 says

          Well, it isn’t a Joss Whedon show, so I don’t think we need to worry TOO much about one of the leads being killed off just yet.:D

          At least I hope so.

          Fingers crossed.

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        • Fred says

          I think Peter, as Walternate’s son, has the capability to go crazy like Walter when he was in the asylum, to be compassionate like Walter now, or to be evil like Walternate. Given his rogue background and his loner attitude, his moral center seems to be capable of influence; and I wonder how much of Peter’s “goodness” we have seen to date is due to Olivia and walter’s influence (vs. his natural “goodness”).

          It would be interesting to see Peter’s behavior shift in the presence of Walternate and the alternate uni. Peter’s importance is obvious from the Observer’s comments, and it may be that his hidden powers are corruptable and could be used by the Earth 1 characters for good or the Earth 2 characters for evil.

          The idea that Peter’s moral center can shift to align with the cold Earth 2 or the more emotional Earth 1 also correlates with his unique physical ability to travel between and interact with energies from each of the two Earths.

          This would set up the struggle for Peter’s soul as an interesting story arc that I would love to see. It would be much more interesting development of Peter’s character to have the potential for evil then merely have him be one of the good guys. More importantly, this struggle for Peter’s soul is critical given his hidden powers and critical role in the future.

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          • SF says

            Excellent ideas! I really like this thought. That would make Season 3 very interesting, and given that he has a home here in our world , and is about to be reunited, maybe Peter’s moral center will be defined by which world he calls home. I think I’m just saying what you said in another way. I really like this idea, the battle for Peter’s soul – or heart.

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    • Inkblood says

      “Maybe Peter needs to find some crack to smoke. Hey, works for Walter!”
      Yes, let’s all get together and do drugs. Cuz that would be the RESPONSIBLE thing to do.

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  26. Frobozz says

    A good episode. Once again, a very X-Files vibe…the whole “I want to believe” thing. They can’t resist can they?

    And the episode was very much like an X-File…Mulder goes charging in, expecting to find aliens or his abducted sister, but only finds a serial killer. Only it was Peter, fully expecting a Newton brain-surgery thing but instead…a nut serial killer.

    I was fully expecting to see Walternate at the end. Awesome. The preview was more interesting than th episode though…evil Dunham, bald Charlie…glad to see him again! Did anyone catch the logo on the paramilitary troops’ caps and shoulders? Looks like Walternate is in charge…maybe in the altverse, Massive Dynamic did not rise because of Bell…but something else did because of Walter. The logo looked like two “F”‘s side by side to me.

    And on the “other side” what do we have? A special “shape shifter” who was created to “repel the invaders.” Cool.

    Looking forward to next week.

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  27. Bishop Takes Queen says

    I can see why some people are disappointed in the episode. I always get bummed when there’s not as much character development shown as you’d like…

    I know that I certainly would love to see more reactions from each character stemming from Peter’s MIA status, but maybe more of it will be focused on in the 2-part finale? (I hope so…) Heck, I’m still waiting to find out what kind of awkward interaction took place during P&O’s non-date after the Jacksonville trip. :)

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    • SF says

      LOL! Me too! Exactly how did she leave Walter’s house? Did she say she had a headache? Did she leave Walter to tell Peter something? What did Peter say to Walter when he came downstairs with his jacket on and she was gone? I’m glad I’m not the only one with these questions :-)

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      • ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

        In Jacksonville, I don’t think she left after seeing him glimmer, it never shows her leaving in the ep…

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        • SF says

          Well, what happened? Did they go out for dinner? The next we see is her hiding out in her apartment avoiding Walter. I don’t think she could have made it through dinner and drinks etc with Peter glimmering like that, and be as happy as she was at the door. Do you? Especially as we know she’s withdrawn and avoiding Peter as much as she can too?

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  28. LR says

    There was something really off about this episode. It wasn’t very clear.
    Peter was probably getting crazy and lots of stuff didn’t happen.
    I think that at the end of this episode, Peter was already in the altverse. What were the noises? Why was Newton using that device? What did that bubblegum paper mean?
    Remember when Olivia travelled to the altverse, we thought she crossed over at the elevator, but it was really in the car.

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  29. Page 48 says

    If Peter thought that Newton was killing folks and using their brainial bits to zero in on his location within Podunk County, then what was his assumption as to how Newton tracked him to Washington State in the first place? Was there a lobeless body at Logan Airport (assuming Peter flew out west)? Were there bodies in every gin joint from East Coast to West Coast, as Newton sleuthed his way across the USA?

    Newton was actually very cordial with the people whose brains he violated earlier in the season. No needless killing, no painful operating procedures, and no leaving bodies in the landfill around town. Sure, the shapeshifters leave a trail of bodies but than can hardly be helped.

    Peter’s work in tracking down the Farmer in the Dell was his usual genius endeavour, but his thinking was flawed with regards to Newton’s M.O., although he can hardly be faulted for jumping to conclusions, given his prior experience with guys who play around with frontal lobes.

    I think it was no-fair-cheating to have Peter land in Podunk on the day when someone other than Newton suddenly takes a devilish interest in the lovely lobes. It should have either been Newton’s deal or the idea should have been shelved in favour of something less ridiculously coincidental. It’s enough to make a viewer feel duped. That said, it was a lot easier to watch than last week’s affair, IMO.

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    • Fred says

      Given that Newton showed up with Walternate at the end of the episode, the idea that Peter is crazy and imagined seeing Newton in the woods and the phone calls seems to be a big coincidence. This means that Peter was hallucinating Newton’s presence at the same time Newton was physically in the area.

      Also, the farmer killing folks and collecting brain parts in the same manner as the shifters is also a big coincidence as well.

      Also, how did Newton know how to travel to Washington and to the direct area where Peter was? How did he track down Peter? This is also a big coincidence.

      We can assume that this is poor writing, but I hope for more then this.

      A potential theory is that Peter can control people via telepathy but does not know it yet AND Walternate and Newton have figured out how to control Peter and make him do this without him knowing it.

      Some evidence of Peter’s ability to influence was his convincing the sheriff to not call the FBI when he touched her hand on the phone; as well as his significant stabilizing effect on Walter.

      Given this theory, Newton was able to track down Peter via his control mechanism (something similiar to the Ghost Network). The phone calls with the strange noises could have been a control mechanism. Newton used Peter to control the farmer to collect the brain pieces. Newton also used Peter to cause the sheriff to forget seeing Newton in the forest. This may also explain Peter’s shift in attitude in the episode, in which he is not as good as before.

      However, this does not explain why Newton needed to collect the additional brain matter. It may be that collecting brain matter of people that interact with Peter is necessary to build up and maintain his control mechanism over Peter. This would also provide another reason for Newton to collect Walter’s brain matter, as this brain matter would contain a lot of information on Peter.

      If this is the case, then some of Peter’s previous behavior can be viewed with alternate motives, and sets up some potential interesting story arc for the future. Given Peter’s importance in future events, it seems plausible that Walternate and Newton would try to establish control over Peter.

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  30. Montecito says

    It was my best Fringe episode ever!!!

    I know that some people have questions about this episode. It wasn’t clear. I think it’s open for interpretation..

    Many people have theories and different opinions about those phone calls and Newon appearances.

    I don’t have a problem with different theories about those incidents. Any viewer can have his/her own thoughts about those.

    Some say that the phone calls was either the “dead” Peter trying to help Peter, or Peter subconciously made them as a warning to himsel..

    there are good theories..

    also it’s possible that Newton tried to help Peter catch the killer or thied to mess with his mind before the reveal of his father..

    that could also be true

    also I strongly believe that Peter has started to lose his sanity (just a little) because he couldn’t sleep for days. I believe that was clear..

    but in the end I believe that The important thing was that despite the fact that Peter was having problemswith his mind (and started to hallucinating things?) he catched the bad guy and save one person’s life..

    he did subconciously? I don’t know maybe..

    he had help with the phone calls? was that a message to keep searching? maybe…

    the important thing was that at the end of the day Peter did it..

    He catched the serial killer and saved a life..

    and it was more heroic that he did that while he was having problems with his sanity due to sleeplessness

    also this episode had the coolest scenes, quotes and soundtrack that I have ever seen in Fringe..

    Peter awaken in the middle for the night and paying guys to get guns rocked!!!

    the only tragic thing was the death of the waitresses because I really liked her..

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  31. says

    Contrary to what many are saying here, I think we get some very good insight into Peter’s “emotional development”. When we first see him in the Pilot, he was quick to put on a front, knew what he had to say to get around the officials, etc. He was slick. In this ep we see him knowing that he fully needs to cooperate with the officials in order to have them trust him. He wasn’t trying to dupe them in any way. In regards to his current questionable behavior, we have to remember that the only thing that “turned” him from his previous shady ways was his increasing trust in Walter and Olivia. It was only in that context that he became the more centered, moral person we have seen in this past season. But when that trust is shattered, it throws him into a tailspin, wondering if he can trust anything including his actions and thoughts. He seems to be in a limbo of sorts trying to reconcile his older self with the newer self he’s become. We see the dicotomy when he’s genuinly upset about the waitress’s death and then his ruthless questioning of the sister.

    As for the other character’s reactions, I think they are all being shown appropriately. Walter is breaking down like we knew he would. Astrid, though she knows Peter, isn’t what I’d call close to him. Her heart is with Walter and appropriately her main concern is for him, not Peter. And Olivia is on cue. I mean, what we’ve seen of her is a very reluctant opening up to Peter and fairly closed off to everyone else. The only people she seems to relax with are Sam and Ella. And when times get tough and her emotions come to the surface her first reaction is to always close right up, like a venus flytrap. So I think the writers are staying true to the characters.

    Another thing we see here is Peter trying to go out on his own to solve a crime. He’s always been part of a group that contained checks and balances. He didn’t have that with him here. He knows enough to be dangerous but doesn’t have it all quite together. Yet still manages to “solve” the crime, almost through the back door.

    And I think the writers are deliberately wanting us to question Peter’s sanity right now. They want us to be questioning about Newton’s appearances in the forest and the strange static sound. Is Peter losing it? Did it really happen? I think it’s brilliant! They want us to question him so that when he comes down to the wire, we’ll have no idea what he’s going to do. That’s a good story!

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    • mlj102 says

      I like your optimism! It was neat to read your perspective on how things were presented in this episode. I like your theory that it could be intentional from the writers that we are left questioning what actually happened and what was just made up in Peter’s interpretation of things. If that carries through into the finale and has a significant role in all that, then I will happily forgive the writers/producers for this episode. However, I must say I’m not getting my hopes up that that will actually happen… but it is possible.

      You have an interesting perspective on the reactions from the various characters. I guess it just bothers me that we’ve been building up to this reveal for the whole season, and now that the secret is finally out in the open, it feels like things are a bit rushed, overshadowed, and choppy.

      For example, I agree that Astrid is acting as I expected she would by supporting Walter. But what does she think about Peter being from the other side? Does she know the whole story? It would have been nice to see them tell her why Peter had just left. Instead, it’s just implied that she was told at some point. We had that great moment in What Lies Below where she caught a glimpse of the fact that Walter was hiding something — it would have been neat for them to follow through with that and to show her when she realized that’s what Walter had meant when he said he couldn’t let Peter die again.

      As for Olivia… I understand that she doesn’t open up to people and she keeps her emotions guarded, but it really bothers me that we haven’t seen any emotion from her since Peter left. In Olivia. In the Lab… her biggest fear was that Peter would leave when he learned the truth. She realized that, as Nina said, she wasn’t prepared to lose Peter. He is her closest friend, someone she relies on, and someone she trusts. Without him, she’s very much alone. So we know that she felt very strongly about this and that she feared him leaving… But now he’s left and she’s practically emotionless about it. They could at least do something to show how his departure has affected her — how it has added to the burden she carries. Instead, all we’ve seen is her going around, almost robotically, following up leads looking for Peter. There just hasn’t been any insight into how she’s feeling now that he’s gone. And there is so much that they could show.

      And Peter, yes, we’ve seen that he’s confused and trying to process everything and figure out where he belongs. But there hasn’t been much shown about the hurt he is feeling, or even his anger towards Walter. He doesn’t seem too overwhelmed or distraught about things and his actions seem inconsistent. We really have no idea how he feels about Olivia and her involvement in all this… Really, all we can do is assume that he even figured out that she knew about the truth. They could at least do something to confirm that.

      I guess what I’m saying is that, yes, they have shown some reaction, but compared to all that they could have done with it for all the characters, it’s very minimal and limited, which is disappointing to me. But, like I said, I like your optimism!

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      • says

        I agree it would be nice to see the confrontation between Olivia and Peter and I can only assume they are holding off to give even more impact to the finale. From all accounts its going to be a whiz banger! And I definitely see your points on the other characters. I just feel like everyone is dismissing this episode as an almost throw away except for the very end and I think that’s a mistake. I feel like it did a lot to show Peter’s confused state/possible psychosis along with his need for all the others on the team. And it’s hard to have the confrontations everyone wants to see without face to face contact…which is not possible when Peter is just trying to get away from everyone for a while.

        And yes, I am an eternal optimist which I know can irritate some people but there it is.

        Oh and did anyone else find it odd that Broyles, this supposedly tough and secretive cop, after promising not to tell anyone about Peter, crumbles after a few seconds of interrogation from Olivia? Peter will conclude its evidence of another person he just can’t trust.

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        • SF says

          I really like your points, Schwakamole. You make some very convincing arguments for how this episode was to show how Peter was trying to maintain his exterior even though he was crumbling on the inside. I’m going to rewatch the episode with everything I’ve learned here from all of you who liked this episode – I had to watch Jacksonville last night to remind myself how good Fringe can be. Maybe going into NWP with knowing it’s about Peter’s frame of reference will help.

          I do agree fully with mlj102, though, we both wanted the same thing in this episode. Especially as, if this was the third to last episode if they hadn’t renewed Fringe, where would the closure be with this part of the story? I really wanted to see Astrid find out – and like mlj says, see her make the connection to What Lies Below. I want to see Broyles told, and see him go confront his supposed friend Nina and ask her, what else is she holding back that puts his team in danger? Has Olivia even told Broyles everything? or only that Peter is gone? I want to know!! what is going on back in Fringe division, too.

          I think it’s just because we’ve had so many episodes with good layering and references that I still feel this not as strong as it could have been. For atmosphere and moodiness it’s very good, which is why I didn’t rate it the worst episode ever.

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  32. Inkblood says

    “As for Olivia… I understand that she doesn’t open up to people and she keeps her emotions guarded, but it really bothers me that we haven’t seen any emotion from her since Peter left.”
    I disagree. Olivia shows her emotions differently from the rest of us. When she’s scared, she cares for others(like in jacksonville with miniOlive) just as she is now being extra loving a careful with Walter. She uses a tone with him she doesn’t usually use, and promises to keep him out of st.claire’s.

    I think that emotion IS lacking, but it’s not completely gone.

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  33. fedorafadares says

    I also believe Olivia “has” emotions. But we aren’t accustomed, as viewers, to seeing a character who isn’t wearing them on her sleeve. I think Anna Torv is excellent at nuance when it comes to portraying emotion. As Olivia, she can have what looks like an impassive expression on her face, but her neck looks strained and tense — restrained emotion.

    Her body posture is important — look how far away she was standing from Peter in “Man from the Other Side” when he awoke in the hospital. She was miles away from him, showing her tentative emotions through physical distance.

    Notice when she talks to her niece, she’s always leaning into the conversation.

    With Walter right now, her tone of voice is soothing, even if the words are discouraging. She’s holding it together because if she loses it, Walter will crumble.

    Another emotional “tell” is her hair. My daughter noted that her hair is always pulled back in a pony tail. She’s “tied up,” emotionally. And when she’s really stressed, her hair is literally knotted behind her head. In the preview of next week’s episode, her hair is tied back, but looks a bit frazzled. Is she coming undone?

    I think you have to look at more than just Torv’s face to gather what her character’s feeling, emotionally. She’s a skilled actor.

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    • mlj102 says

      I think people might be misunderstanding me when I talk about how I feel we haven’t gotten any emotion or reaction, particularly from Olivia. I am well aware of the fact that she doesn’t “wear her emotions on her sleeve.” She’s always been very personal and not the kind of person who expresses herself much. I know that the actress/character was criticized a lot, especially in season 1, for appearing wooden or emotionless. But I never understood those criticisms because, as has been mentioned, that’s just how the character is. Furthermore, I never agreed with those opinions that she came across as stoic or emotionless because I thought she conveyed a lot of the turmoil and the burden that the character was feeling.

      So my comments are not criticizing the acting nor are they overlooking the natural tendencies of the character. I’m pointing out that the emotion I have come to expect from Olivia isn’t there. I know that she doesn’t outwardly express her emotions in the normal ways, but ever since the beginning of Season 1, I have been able to see that carefully concealed emotion in her — I’ve been able to watch the character and see the emotion even when it isn’t obvious or direct. As has been mentioned, you can see her feelings based on her actions, her facial expressions, etc. So even when she’s hiding her feelings and protecting her emotions, there’s usually still evidence of what she’s feeling. But in the last couple of episodes since Peter left, I haven’t been able to see that emotion in the way that has been established as typical for Olivia. With things being what they are right now, I’m sure she’s feeling and experiencing a lot of things, but the emotion just doesn’t seem like it’s there, even in the subtle things. I feel like they had the potential to do some really great things by focusing on the emotional aspect of Peter’s disappearance, but other than seeing Walter’s reactions, I feel like they have fallen short with actually delivering that at this point.

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      • fedorafadares says

        Yes! I agree they may be missing an opportunity with Olivia’s reaction. It would be fascinating to get more from her character.

        Sorry if I misinterpreted and thanks for raising such an interesting point.

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    • Anjali says

      Anna is my favorite actress at the moment. You’re right fedorafadares. Her nuances are what just brings out the emotions in her.

      The conversation she had with Broyles about she being sure that Peter would come back… you may miss it if you blink, but you can see that she’s finding it difficult to be in control. It’s all in her eyes… This woman can act so well.. Love it!

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      • SF says

        mlj102, I thought that Olivia was barely coping either – I could see her air of desperation grow, as well as her hair becoming looser,out of the ponytail – as Brown Betty progresses and she pops in to say how she’s doing. When she says to Walter that he’s coming back, when she says to Broyles in this ep that he’s coming back, I could see she was starting to have doubts but wouldn’t give in. The relief on her face when she comes to get Walter – and I too think that was a plot contrivance, although perhaps it points to Olivia underestimating how angry Peter is and how much she doesn’t know him yet either. She thinks a simple explanation will do and he’ll be back, that all he needs to do is understand what happened. She’s not thinking that there’s 24 years of lies piled up on Peter, she’s not remembering that his dad taught him to ignore the truth his own dreams were telling him. I think Olivia is desperate to keep her team together, and doesn’t realize that things with Peter and Walter can’t be patched up easily, nor should they be. I think they can, certainly, and hope they will – at least I hope so! So I don’t think she’s let herself fully feel her own fear and loss if he goes, nor really how hurt she is that he has left her without a word, either. I think she’s really hurt, and she’s hiding it, and only her eyes and her hair are giving away that she’s not doing so well either. Still, I would have liked to see her at her home, not able to sleep again because of what’s happened, and maybe doubting the choice she did make. That was the kind of continuation on some the emotions that have been raised in the past 5 episodes that I expected here.

        Anjali, I agree, it is all in her eyes, the last two episodes! I want to go and give her a hug I feel so sorry for her. Even though I disagree with her choice not to tell him!

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  34. ApplesBananasRhinoceros says

    SF wrote: “and why suddenly they don’t have any Fringe cases to solve without Peter.”

    i think this is the key, why DON’T they have any cases to solve without Peter? And why is there suddenly a very Fringe-like case in Washington, where Peter happens to be?? I really think he is more connected to events than ever now. We all keep asking, isn’t it ironic that all the Fringe cases are centered in the Boston area. And this whole time Peter has been in Boston (I can’t really explain the Pattern events before Peter came back to Boston, so I won’t…). I just think we dismissed the “stealing dreams” theme of Brown Betty a little too quickly. Peter keeps saying “If you can imagine it, it’s possible”. So what if he imagines things and they are possible, just like that? Maybe somebody is tapping into his dreams in some way, it would explain his sleep disturbances. And Olivia’s, but I won’t go there yet. Peter got the first weird call after he’d laid down. Newton and Walternate didn’t show up until after he laid down with the music and looked like he was falling asleep. Maybe he was asleep and filing down those bullets, I don’t know.

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    • SF says

      I don’t know if Peter is a Pattern case like Olivia is tied to – being a cortexiphan subject makes her a Pattern case! – but certainly he has shown this season an ability to sense them. Maybe because they are tied to the other side, he gets a feeling? I think there are still Fringe cases happening all over, my point was suddenly the team is in disarray and nothing is getting done at Fringe Division! Where are the cases that need solving? Astrid surely could use her FBI laptop at the Bishop residence to find something. Maybe the whole point of this is, there is no Fringe without Peter, either. And the case he solved wasn’t a pattern case in the end. I don’t know, just feeling my way through what this episode did give us to work with!

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  35. Xochitl says

    I just saw this in another site, the observer is in the crowd behind peter when he is talking with the sheriff the first time

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  36. Pwnsauce says

    My first inkling in the beginning of the episode was that the original girl that got killed’s habit of making playlists paralleled the way the other ‘victims’ in Grey Matters had singular problems along the lines of doing a certain action or thing. Since they revealed the killer to be that other guy, I’m still torn as to whether Newton had a hand in these murders or not, and this also means that either Newton did have a hand in them, was controlling the dairy farm guy, and in turn, Peter is not hallucinating about seeing Newton and the other guy. or it’s the opposite way around and the dairy farm guy just killed them himself, and the temporal lobe info was just bad writing.

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