2.15 Peter


2.15 Peter

“FRINGE” SPRINGS FORWARD BY REVEALING THE PAST THURSDAY, APRIL 1, ON FOX

Second Season Resumes with Eight All-New and Uninterrupted Episodes

Walter flashes back to 1985 while explaining Peter’s otherworldly origins to Olivia. Also, Peter’s mother (guest star Orla Brady) is introduced, and details of the neighboring world reaffirms that there is more than one of everything in the all-new “Peter” episode of FRINGE airing Thursday, April 1 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR-2.15) (TV-14)

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth

Guest Cast: Quinn Lord as Young Peter; Jennie Blong as Carla; Orla Brady as Elizabeth Bishop; Michael Cerveris as September; Eugene Lipinski as December; Peter Woodward as August; James L. Watkins as General Tonks; Serge Houde as General Hames

2.15 “Peter” Promo:

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John Noble Talks to MyFOXBoston, Previews 2.15 “Peter”:


Joshua Jackson Previews 2.15 “Peter”:

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  1. Elaine says

    That Fox news guy was annoying. I could only make it through about a minute of that interview. Too bad, because I love hearing John Noble speak with his native accent.

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  2. bdp says

    I am so glad to have the show back. What a great episode. I’m already going through fringedrawals 2 hours after the episode ended.

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  3. says

    I thought the intro was fantastic, and the text they used was a very clever concept. I have to say that it was a bit rushed, and they could’ve split the episode over two episodes or made a 2-hour special, because it didn’t seem like they paid attention to detail more than they could(maybe that’s the two month hiatus speaking).
    I also noticed that when Walter was rushing to get the papers for the dimension traveling thing, while the lab assistant was following him, there was a chalkboard divided into four squares, labled: 1, 2, 3, and either Ohm’s symbol or Thomas Jerome Newton’s head symbol thing. Don’t know if that was important or not.
    Also I want to know more about Nina’s arm, she said she lost it to cancer. Did the wormhole give it cancer or did it travel into the alternate universe with Walter, because I sure didn’t see it.

    It was an okay episode, I would’ve expected more after that long of a break, but it was alright.

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  4. Anjali says

    I LOVED THIS EPISODE!! FANTASTIC STUFF!

    Give mr. john noble an emmy now pls!!

    And Orla Brady, she was marvelous!!! Loved the way she acted! Fantastic stuff.

    The opening credits… LOVE!

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  5. Elaine says

    Just finished watching the episode…all I can say is…WOW! So incredibly understated and heartbreaking.

    Naturally, the way the story unfolded was all kinds of genius, but I think what I appreciated most about ‘Peter’ was how subtly the writers answered so many questions, while simultaneously raising a ton more.

    I also really liked how they deconstructed Walter and Nina’s lies about what happened on the night Walter walked between worlds to save Peter, but managed not to cheapen the story they already told us.

    It was sort of gratifying to realize that Walter’s initial invention allowed otherwise safe passage between worlds, and apparently Bell hasn’t been able to duplicate those results without physical and physiological consequences.

    Definately will have to re-watch this one, because I feel like I’m on information overload right now, but in an incredibly awesome way. ;-)

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  6. pugui says

    The credits were too much, loved it, they just set this episode apart!

    From the very start I knew this was going to be a special episode. Olivia surprised me. I had never seen her character like this, she looked defeated, and that just startled me and made me sit up even closer to the edge of my seat.
    In all the excitement and cabin fever like effects of the lowatus I’d forgotten how completely and utterly devastating and confusing this must be for poor Olivia. Her reaction and her small scenes with Walter book ending the episode almost made up for the lack of adult!Peter… almost.

    Five minutes into the show I had already started to cry. I knew young!Peter!Prime was going to die but that was such a highly affecting scene, I mean that boy can play dead! and Walter just broke my heart.

    Even with all we knew about how Peter came to be on this side the episode was full of surprise after surprise and left me with many answers and many questions (as promised by our lovely writers). Walter did kidnap Peter but only because he had no choice, except that he did have a choice to return him, so they didn’t absolve him completely. I like that. I also like that they made Elizabeth a part of that decision, after thinking of her as only a victim for so long now we see what Walter meant when he told Peter that his mother was a strong woman. The look in her eyes when Walter told her they had to return the boy was chilling.

    All in all this has to be my favorite episode so far. Absent adult!Peter not withstanding this episode packed a powerful emotional punch that will definitely catapult the next couple of episodes. I can’t wait.

    That boy must be pretty damn important to go through all that trouble…

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    • mlj102 says

      Great comment, pugui — I agree with all the things you pointed out. I especially liked how you described Olivia as “defeated.” I, too, noticed there was something very different in her — very hollow — and I have been trying to find the right words to describe it, and I think defeated fits it very well. I also agree with your assessment of Peter’s death scene. I knew he was going to die, but I didn’t expect it to happen like that! It was sudden and almost out of the blue, and completely heartbreaking!

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      • MRG says

        I have to agree with both of you. Poor Olivia. Right before she left to meet Peter on their “date”, she looked in the mirror and paused and let down her hair. You could sense the hope and excitement she felt, of someone she could trust again who was with her all the way. The loss of the potential and the heartbreak was evident on her face at the beginning of the episode as well as the confusion and struggling to understand at the end.

        As for Peter(?prime- do we need a universal code here? lol) that was the most heartbreaking and convincing death scene I have seen in a loooong time! I also noted that walter and peter prime (now he sounds like a Transformer:more than meets the eye..) had a much closer relationship seemingly than did peter other and walternate. maybe it explains some of the differences in their recollection of Peter’s childhood.

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  7. Frobozz says

    At last, we are back. And what a freakin’ return. Everything about this episode was amazing…as expected, John Noble gave the performance of the entire season. So many things to like about this episode, from the retro “new wave” Fringe intro music to our first glimpse of Walternate.

    The plot moves forward SO much here. Why is Peter important? Now we see that the “bird flu” and “car crash” stories Walter told from season 1 were lies (so why the dis-ray then?) And Nina Sharpe..is she a surrogate mom for Peter? Quite clearly Bell & Bishop are on the “outs” here. And now we see Walter’s “door” for what it really is.

    So…that blonde bible-thumper assistant of Walter’s…anyone think she’s the one who dies in the fire (must re-watch season 1 to find out her name)?

    This one is on my “must re-watch” list for sure. Nice to see August again though!

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    • Hatch says

      He attempted to use the dis-re earlier (before this episode), but it didn’t work – at least, not in the way he wanted it to.

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    • Audrey says

      The lab assistant’s name is Carla Warren. And yes, she is the lab assistant who dies in the fire. Walter made up the lies for a reason. (car crash in Reiden lake and bird flu.) He can’t trust anyone to know the truth.

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  8. LizW65 says

    The 1980′s title sequence! “Back To The Future” starring Eric Stolz!:-D Amazing episode; my only complaint is that I really miss those extra four minutes or so that the Season One eps all had, as they were able to cram in so much more content. Somebody just give John Noble an Emmy, now. Please?

    Did anyone else get the sense that since most of the episode was from Walter’s POV, he deliberately showed the events in such a way as to make himself less culpable? For instance, his badmouthing William Bell to Nina and the scene that makes it clear that keeping Peter #2 was Elizabeth’s idea…I felt that those two scenes in particular were Walter’s way of excusing himself to Olivia (and to himself), his way of saying, “This isn’t all my fault, other people are equally to blame.” Remember, it’s all about perception…

    I also got the impression that the “Thanksgiving” story that Walter told to Peter in “The Arrival” must have been a cover story that he later invented; after all, he couldn’t come out and say, “Oh, yeah, the Observer rescued us from a freezing lake the night I kidnapped you from a parallel universe…”

    Peter’s line to Walter: “You’re not my father” was interesting in many ways, as it’s been speculated that on a subconscious level Peter has always known, or at least suspected, the truth of his origin. Perhaps that’s why he calls Walter “Walter” instead of “Dad”?

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    • FringeFan2009 says

      Very good point about the POV being from Walter’s perspective. I’m sure that the rest of the truth will probably come out from everyone, starting with Nina Sharp next week!

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  9. Elaine says

    There’s always the possibility our Walter slanted the truth to make himself less culpable, but I got the impression that the writers told us the unvarnished truth via Walter. It didn’t paint Walter’s actions as innocent. Good intent, but ultimately, an act bordering on hubris because he disregarded the effects it would have on both worlds for the life of one person.

    I think had they not given us the truth, what you mentioned about Peter subconsciously being aware that our Walter isn’t his “real” father, and the speculation of what eventually eroded his relationship with Elizabeth wouldn’t have as strong a basis, or storytelling potential.

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  10. Anjali says

    I just saw the ratings for last night – 6 mill. Apparently, all shows were down drastically and 6 of them hit a series all time low! What the hell were people doing last night???

    The good news is that at least we held our own. I mean grey’s was 9.75 mill. So considering all of that, I think we did pretty well.

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    • Anjali says

      Also I forgot to add that we up against ‘The Mentalist’ which gets about 13-16 mill ratings per week. So considering all of that, I think we did fine!

      However this still doesn’t stop me from kicking FOX’s ass. Why the hell do they keep us on Thursday against stiff competition??

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      • says

        It’s ‘Good Friday’ today so maybe some people got a day off and where out the night. Doesn’t Spring Break begin at this time of the year?
        In that case it would make sense that ‘The Mentalist’ had normal ratings, Fringe went a bit down and ‘The Vampire Diaries’ had a loss of about 30-40% from the average (just a guess: normally around 3.5 mil, yesterday at 2.8 mil). So if the people of around 18-30 went away ‘Bones’ and Fringe would be the first show to be affected (with CBS having more viewers 49+, ABC targeting middle-aged women, TheCW targeting young women and NBC targeting not a certain group while FOX is the most watched Network in the group of 18-49). – Uhm, sorry for geeking out about it but I’m a TV-Junkie (scripted only!) so ratings are my daily check up if the shows I watch are still going to be there next week.

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  11. says

    I am pretty sure that during the car scene when they are all wet after being pulled out of the lake that they are using a sample from the intro from a song called “World’s Away” by Canadian 80′s electronic band Strange Advance. you can find it on youtube.

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  12. james says

    I am pretty sure that during the car scene when they are all wet after being pulled out of the lake that they are using a sample from the intro from a song called “World’s Away” by Canadian 80′s electronic band Strange Advance. you can find it on youtube

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  13. says

    WOW!!! Give John Noble an Emmy, now!

    It was very interesting for me to find out that Walter SAW through the window that alter-Walter actually found the cure, but was distracted by the Observer. Walter had buried his son on this side, and his true intention was honest when he went to the other side. He had the cure in his pocket, and all he was going to do was give it to Peter even via the alter-Walter.

    That one point makes Dr. Walter Bishop a very compelling character that has strong convictions of empathy and compassion. He tried to save Peter by taking the cure, giving it to him by alter-Walter, and then he intended to go back to our universe alone.

    That the Observer messed up royally, and had to save alter-Peter and Walter from drowning, is brilliant! It draws them into the Pattern so they are involved too. Funny thing to find out Walter was still intending to take Peter back over, until his wife, Elizabeth, held the alter-Peter. So, the decision to keep Peter, even though Walter had complicity, was ultimately Elizabeth’s reaction and then Walter made the decision.

    Great having Walter tell Olivia the story. I think the story is absolutely true the way Walter told it. Olivia understands generally, but she still told Walter that Peter deserves to know the truth. That is right in line with everything about her character, the strong FBI agent that also has a moral compass.

    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  14. FlashWriter says

    How fantastic is it to have Fringe back…and the WAY it rebooted was completely astounding. This was one of those episodes where I feel like I have a hangover because my head is still reeling from the impact of the show. I’m truely affraid that I won’t make sense. I can only echo that which has already been said here, GIVE JOHN NOBLE AN EMMY FOR THIS! They stiffed Anna Torv last year, and this performance is every bit as good. I had tears in my eyes before the beginning credits. Young Peter’s death scene just gutted me. Man, was JN great in this–and so was Quinn Lord as Young Peter. It has been a very long time since any TV show did this to me.

    (Quick word about Olivia. She looked like I feel right now as she opened her door to see Walter standing there. Overwhelmed. Maybe a little tight. How do you react to a personal problem that has inter-universe aspects? Especially when it involves someone who she’s allowed herself to get close to? Again, Anna Torv captured the character exactly and gave the whole show an authority that simply would not be there without her scenes.)

    I think it was the completeness of the story that so overwhelmed me. Clearly the writers are not going to leave these long-standing loose ends laying around for an extended length of time like they did on “Lost”. And I do believe that we were getting the unvarnished truth through the narrative. Everything was out there. And Walter…I see him in a very different light now that I understand what went on. Up until now I thought that it was just the actions of a grief-stricken parent that led him to do the unthinkable. But now, we see how his good intentions paved the road to hell.

    …and you married men: who has seen that same look that we saw in Elizabeth’s eyes on your wife’s face? Did you ever have any doubt as to what was going to come to pass? That was the look of a mother who would walk through coals to keep her son right where he was. On this side. At that moment you know, as Walter knew, that there is nothing you can do. There is, indeed, no doubt about what is going to happen.

    Aaaand a word about casting. Once again we have this fantastic casting happening. Man. Orla Brady was so perfect in this part and did an awesome job in selling it (on both sides of the multiverse membrane). Jenni Blong was perfect as Walter’s assistant. And again, Quinn Lord was the kid who you’d cross through to the other universe to save. Kudos also go to the set decarators, the lighting staff, and whoever cut this episode has a great feeling for timing.

    Again, I’m sitting here blinking like a man waking up from a dream as the scenes play in my head. I haven’t downloaded the episode for a re-watch at lunch and I’m anxious to do that. Did it seem like there were more commercials during the show than usual? It may have been just me, but being so completely immersed in the scenes and then being yanked out so much “for a word from our sponsor” just plain pissed me off at times. It sure is taking iTunes a while to post the ep. Amazon.com already has it.

    Well, TTFN. Fringe is back! Yes!

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    • mlj102 says

      Great review, FlashWriter! I agree that this episode certainly lived up to its expectations (and those expectations were set incredibly high!). The casting, the acting, the writing, the production — everything was ideal! And when all was said and done, it was a strong episode with strong emotion at its core.

      “…and you married men: who has seen that same look that we saw in Elizabeth’s eyes on your wife’s face? Did you ever have any doubt as to what was going to come to pass? That was the look of a mother who would walk through coals to keep her son right where he was. On this side. At that moment you know, as Walter knew, that there is nothing you can do. There is, indeed, no doubt about what is going to happen.”

      Well, I’m not a married man, so I can’t answer your question, but I did want to comment on it. A lot of people have commented that, because of what we learned in “Peter,” it now shifted a lot of the responsibility of Peter being kept here from Walter over to Elizabeth. Now, I agree that she certainly had a role in it. I agree with your analysis of her expression and how Walter couldn’t take Peter away from her again. It’s sort of mirrored in the way he showed alternate Peter to her through the window, and she was devastated and filled with longing after he turned it off. So with him there in front of her, it’s no wonder that she couldn’t bear to let Walter take him away from her again.

      And yet… I just can’t get over the fact that he was able to ignore alternate Elizabeth. I thought that performance was incredibly powerful. There was no doubt that she loved her son more than anything else in the world. She was concerned for his well-being and it was very clear that she would be anxiously awaiting his return. And Walter promised he would bring Peter back to her. He left her, concerned, anxious, and hopeful. And then he chose to keep Peter, leaving alternate Elizabeth to be waiting in vain. He filled her with hope, just to snatch it away in the worst possible way.

      I just don’t see how he could just ignore all that and decide to keep Peter here. Her love for her son was just as strong and clear and determined as was the love this Elizabeth showed for Peter. This Elizabeth didn’t see that, so she wasn’t directly aware of the mother on the other side who was desperately awaiting the return of her son. But Walter was acutely aware of that. I don’t believe he (or anyone) can claim Elizabeth was the reason he kept Peter when there was an equally strong opposition to that reason in the form of alternate Elizabeth needing her son returned. He had Elizabeth on one side, who was trusting in him to bring her son back safe and sound, and he had Elizabeth on his side doing essentially the same thing — trusting in him to keep her son safe and sound. In my opinion, when you consider those two factors, they would essentially cancel each other out, leaving the final decision Walter’s, and his alone.

      Personally, while he may have had good intentions all along, I think his words were hollow, and he knew it because he knew that HE couldn’t bear to say goodbye to Peter a second time. As he admitted to Olivia, watching Elizabeth with Peter, he saw what he most feared in himself — his own inability to lose Peter a second time. So it wasn’t necessarily Elizabeth that caused him to choose to keep Peter, but it was Elizabeth that caused him to finally acknowledge the truth that he couldn’t keep his promise to return Peter because of his own love for Peter. I think he was just looking for a good reason to keep Peter, and Elizabeth provided that.

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      • FlashWriter says

        Hi MLJ,
        I knew the comment about Elizabeth would get your attention. Well, if you’ve never gotten that look, it’s very hard to explain how being on the receiving end actually feels. I think what I was trying to say was that I don’t think Elizabeth’s position was the reason but it sure was a large part of it. And yes, it could have been and probably was Walter’s grand excuse to not do what he originally started out to do. Remember, his original intentions were to make a house call and not to take the boy back to the lab at all. Again, it was just circumstances that pushed the decision. (Although it certainly could be argued that he would have found some other excuse if the vile of medicine hadn’t broken.) “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” (This may go down with “Dead men tell no tales”, but then I just got back from a trip to Disneyland with my 7 yr old son.)

        But getting back to your comments. The fact is that the alter-Elizabeth was over THERE, while his Elizabeth was over HERE, right in front of him. He dearly wanted to keep the boy himself, Elizabeth mandated it with the LOOK. And right then, at decision time, over there was way, way over there (heck, it was a whole universe away). and so…

        I mean, at the time nobody had any idea about what might happen. This was a first. I don’t know if the incident of the car was before or after this, but I suspect it was after so I don’t think even Walter knew about the maintenance of mass between universes principle.

        I should cut this short and shut my mouth, but I’ll be the first to agree that Walter was still culpable for what he did and who he hurt. But the shift here is that now, he’s not wholly responsible. For me, that’s a profound shift in the way I see him. I think it will influence the way Olivia sees him and will also influence when and how she’ll tell Peter. So much ripples away from this episode.

        I’m just totally stoked that this episode resounded so beautifully and completely took my breath away. Onward Team Fringe!

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        • mlj102 says

          FlashWriter — Ha, ha! You know me too well!

          I can certainly understand what you’re saying about how, at that moment our Elizabeth was over here and right in front of him and alternate Elizabeth was over there, far, far away, and so of course he was going to respond to the person he was immediately interacting with. I guess it’s just so hard for me to accept because that scene with alternate Elizabeth saying goodbye to Peter and watching them leave was seriously heartbreaking! I don’t know — there was just so much love and concern and to know that Walter had allowed her to get her hopes up, only to decide to leave her waiting for a son who would never return was just cruel! I can understand why the Elizabeth he was interacting with at the present moment would take first priority, but I still don’t understand how he could just ignore the other Elizabeth he had interacted with, and the fact that he had promised her he would bring Peter back and the fact that he was well aware of how heartbroken she would be to never see her son again. It just isn’t right.

          I was re-watching the episode yesterday and I noticed something interesting. In the beginning, when Walter is talking to Elizabeth, telling her how he’s been working at the lab to find a cure for Peter, he tells her, “I need you not to doubt me.” Then, when he is trying to convince alternate Elizabeth to stay at the house, the thing that is finally able to convince her to agree to stay is when he says, “I need you not to doubt me.” I found it very interesting the way he used the exact same phrase with both of the Elizabeths. And it worked — it is clear that Elizabeth – both of them – had a lot of confidence and trust in her husband. But the fact that Walter betrayed that trust when he broke his promise to return Peter really says something significant to me. If he could do that to someone who was essentially his wife in every way, then is it possible that he did something similar to his wife over here, as well?

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      • LizW65 says

        “and you married men: who has seen that same look that we saw in Elizabeth’s eyes on your wife’s face? Did you ever have any doubt as to what was going to come to pass?”

        Interesting camera shot in that scene, the way Elizabeth subtly shifted her left hand while embracing Peter so her wedding ring took prominent focus–I thought it was a clear warning to Walter: “Do this for me or our marriage is over.” And the way the lights reflected in her eyes at that point, making them appear completely flat and emotionless…very chilling.

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      • MRG says

        To be fair, we don’t know what happened after. He told Elizabeth they had to take the boy back, and then the story ended. (I actually protested out loud). Walter’s explanation at the end of the episode to Olivia I think is more him taking responsibility for his actions than trying to deflect it. And that was one of the beautiful things about this episode. I don’t think Walter was trying to let off the hook. He just wanted to finally explain his side to the one other person he considers family.

        You could see the struggle on his face when Elizabeth other asked him to keep his son safe and sound, and how he felt hugging his not dead son. He said to Elizabeth prime that Peter wasn’t theirs. That takes guts, and it was heartbreaking itself. There’s tons more to say about the Walters’ personalities and such…but maybe I will wait until Roco’s official analysis to do so. :)

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  15. rebecca says

    I will never understand why they named this episode Peter. I mean, Peter was the character the audience, the media and the fans have ignored ever since the show began. They call him, “the third wheel, not important, doesn’t do anything” and the episode is named after him but its Walter getting all the attention? Not even the adult Peter was in it.

    Don’t the writers care about Peter fans cause clearly they don’t.

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    • Elaine says

      I think maybe you missed the point of the episode. It was to reveal the truth about Peter’s origins and exactly what led to his being brought over from the alternate universe. It also amplified speculations that Peter is indeed special, and is very important to whatever war that’s coming. Despite Joshua Jackson not being apart of the episode, the irony of it all was it was all about Peter.

      Think of ‘Peter’ being for Walter and Peter what ‘Bad Dreams’ was for Olivia from S1. Extremely revealing.

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    • mlj102 says

      Just because Joshua Jackson didn’t appear in the episode doesn’t mean that the whole episode wasn’t completely centered around Peter. “Peter” is the perfect title for this episode. Peter is the whole focus, the whole reason Walter did what he did. Peter is central to this story, and, as the Observer explained, he is important. This whole episode emphasized that. This episode was about explaining Peter’s past and it sets the stage for present-day Peter learning the truth. There is absolutely no reason to complain about Peter being ignored.

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  16. rebecca says

    I know that and I watched the episode and while it was a great episode, I really wish if the writers will name a show after a character, make sure the character is in the episode. They should have named it, “walter’s confession” since the episode revolved around him and judging the reviews, mostly everyone feels the same way. I mean, this was John Noble’s baby.

    I wonder how long before they have an episode with it centered on Peter where we finally see what was hidden in Josh. IMO, its not fair for Josh as an actor. I also feel kinda disappointed that Walter and Olivia can have episodes centered on them but Josh is the one who has an episode named after him and he is nowhere to be found.

    They could have ended the episode with Peter walking in on Walter and Olivia and Olivia looking at Peter with concern and surprise or they could at least explain where Peter is but it seems we didn’t get that.

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    • FlashWriter says

      Hi Rebecca,
      I can see that you’re quite a Josh Jackson fan. I know that I would get tee’d off if they had an episode call “Olivia” without Anna Torv making an appearance. While “Peter” may have been a little misleading, I think it was to the point because it was all about him. I think the character was getting obscured by all the mystery of his past. As long as we’re thinking about alternate titles, how about “Contrition”? :( Well, anyway…

      I think Josh will have his day, and I think that it’s coming very soon. He’s already had several good episodes, one of my favorites is “What Lies Below”. Soon though, it’s going to hit the fan and we’ll see another really great episode with him in the center of it all.

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    • WWE Fan from LA says

      So basically…one thirty second scene of Peter simply walking in on Walter/Olivia would have satified you?

      And the episode wasn’t named “Josh”, it was named “Peter”, who was in it. Duh.

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  17. Inkblood says

    I loved how walter felt the need to explain everything to olivia-and that she was ignoring his calls. this shows how badly the new info messed with her head(especially after the almost kiss). I noticed that Peter realised Walter wasn’t his real father very quickly.

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  18. rebecca says

    Thanks Flashwriter. I hope when the big reveal to peter happens, it will not be a standalone/case of the week type episode. I think it will dampen the impact of the reveal especially with Peter/Olivia/Walter in investigator-mode. I want to see the human side of Peter, not the “cop” Peter.

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  19. Jimi says

    Amazing episode! The intro was awesome. And if John Noble doesn’t get an emmy nomination after this season I will chew my arm off and send it to Nina Sharp!

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  20. LizW65 says

    Just thought of something else…the fact that the lab assistant (Carla) knows what Walter did suggests that the fire in which she died may not have been an accident after all. Possibly someone (probably not Walter, but maybe William Bell or Nina) had her bumped off to keep her mouth shut? thoughts?

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    • mlj102 says

      I have also wondered about that possibility. Since watching “Peter,” I have been wondering how Carla reacted after finding out that they kept Peter. I can’t imagine she was too pleased with it, and she likely argued against it. But I have a hard time believing someone caused the accident in the lab to keep her quiet — mostly because of the time gap between the two events. We know Walter took Peter in 1985, and the fire in the lab didn’t happen until 1991 (ish). If Carla was going to cause problems regarding Walter’s decision to keep Peter, I imagine they would have felt it necessary to silence her sooner than five years after the fact.

      That said, I completely agree that the “accident” in the lab was no accident. Hopefully we will get more information on that in the near future…

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      • LizW65 says

        Yeah, the 5-6 year time lapse doesn’t make a lot of sense if Carla was killed to keep her from talking…unless, say, she found herself strapped for cash and decided to try a spot of blackmail, or something along those lines. Well, enough random speculation from me. Somebody really ought to create an “official” Fringe timeline so we can keep all these dates straight! :D

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  21. charliefan19 says

    FRINGE IS BACK!!!

    The only “flaw” I could find with this ep was that it did seem like a lot was crammed into one hour. My fringie self would have loved a two parter (with more Walternate…!!!…but from what I hear we’ll be seeing him again) so it wouldn’t seem as rushed, but it’s a very small thing and other than that I loved it.

    Like others have mentioned…I instantly wondered if Carla was the person killed in the fire, too, and Peter’s death was very sad for me. I hadn’t been expecting Walter to cross over ONLY to cure Peter…it kinda made me feel better about him. Of course he and Elizabeth end up keeping the kid, but still – he had good intentions in the beginning.

    John Noble rocked the house, and I’ve officially added him to the very small list of actors who can make me cry.

    While I would have loved to see Joshua Jackson, I really liked the intimate setting between Walter and Olivia. Say Fringe continues for years and years (hopefully!)…we may look back on this episode as a classic. The eighties theme, the private confession to Olivia in the dark apartment. The absence of Peter, Astrid and Broyles added to the depth of the episode, imho. It was awesome, and I really couldn’t say anymore about it… :D

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  22. says

    I have given my husband that “LOOK”, okay, not that serious as losing and then gaining a son. My husband sees that “LOOK” and he knows its a lost cause.

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  23. says

    Why is it that David Robert Jones can teleport out of a prison and needs to be in a pressure chamber, but Walter and Peter can go back and forth using a wormhole with no complications?

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    • Bishop Takes Queen says

      Jones was teleporting within the same universe, from one location to another, whereas Walter & Peter (and Olivia in the season 1 finale/season 2 opener) were merely crossing into another universe. Still confusing and all, but maybe there’s a slight difference.

      What confuses me more, and is harder to accept, is that Jones was cut in half in the season 1 finale when Peter closed the dimensional gate…but Nina didn’t get her arm cut off when Walter crossed through while she clung to him. Instead, her arm was affected in a strange way. I’m curious to see how this is explained. Why did Walter pass through intact, while Nina was permanently damaged?

      Either way…this was an amazing episode. This series is fantastic in so many ways.

      P.S. What the heck ever happened to Agent Jessup?

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  24. modulegirl says

    So many great comments.
    I do have a couple of observations though. I’ve spent the whole day being appalled by what Walter ended up doing to alter-Elizabeth. But something I’ve not seen anyone comment on is what happened in the other universe when Peter’s disappearance was discovered.
    There’s this assumption that Walternate is behind the beginning of the war between the universes because Walter took Peter. But alter Elizabeth gave her son to her husband – bundled him up and was talked into staying home while Walter took him back to the lab to cure him. One of two things happened next: Elizabeth called the lab wanting some kind of update on Peter’s condition and Walter didn’t know what she was talking about or Walter came to the lake house and Elizabeth wanted to know what he did with Peter. And either way the authorities get involved. It becomes a he said, she said. Elizabeth KNOWS she handed her son over to her husband and against her better judgment allowed him to take the boy away. What did Walter REALLY do with Peter? Walter KNOWS he was in the lab and never went to the lake house and took Peter away because he has no cure and hasn’t made any progress on one. So what did Elizabeth do with Peter? Peter was obviously sick and close to death so Elizabeth could have killed her son and buried the body there at the lake then blamed her husband. Walter, unable to save his son, could have taken the boy away and killed him. It all depends on who the authorities believe. And because neither knows (as far as we know) about the alternate universe, it’s not like Walter can have an a-ha! moment and say, “It was my doppelganger from another universe stealing my boy because his is already dead, curse him!” That would get him locked up in St Claire’s a heck of a lot quicker than our Walter did.
    Which leaves one to wonder if Walternate is indeed behind the beginning of the war between the universes, how did he and by extension others in his universe find out about the alternate universe?

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  25. MRG says

    Modulegirl, you make some really good points which just confirms to me even though this episode answered a lot of questions, and was the beginning of the story….Walter only told the BEGINNING of the story to Olivia. There is still a lot more to hear! a couple of other observations:
    1) walter was suprisingly lucid throughout the explaination. I know, plot device etc etc.
    2) okay this has been killing me, did anyone notice the birthmark/mole on peter prime’s lower right cheek? Peter other doesn’t have that mole.

    and how come peter recognized walter wasn’t his dad but not after? shock from the accident? That’s pretty selective memory loss….

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    • LizW65 says

      “and how come peter recognized walter wasn’t his dad but not after? shock from the accident? That’s pretty selective memory loss….”

      It wouldn’t surprise me if Walter slipped a “little something” into Peter’s cocoa to help along the forgetting process.

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    • mlj102 says

      2) “okay this has been killing me, did anyone notice the birthmark/mole on peter prime’s lower right cheek? Peter other doesn’t have that mole.”

      MRG — I think you might be on to something with this observation. I hadn’t noticed it when I first saw the episode, but after you pointed it out, I rewatched it and I think you’re right. So, do you remember in Momentum Deferred when they’re waiting for the drugs to kick in for the experiment they’re doing on Rebecca Kibner? Well, at one point she’s telling Peter that she actually met him when he was just a baby and she thought she saw… and at that moment the drugs take effect and she’s rather incoherent and unable to finish her statement. Well, I always thought she was going to say how she’d seen something like a scar or some other individual trait that was not present on this Peter. So it could very well be that she was talking about this particular birthmark/mole/whatever that you have pointed out. What do you think? If that’s the case, we really have to give the writers/producers credit for remembering and including even small details like that…

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  26. JS says

    Woah. That was AWESOME! Fantastic ep!

    Ok, I think people have pretty much said what I wanted to say, but there’s one thing that caught my eye in the ep that I didn’t see mentioned anywhere:

    Why were the two observers in the theater? Were they taking in an afternoon movie special? Hmmmm….lol That would actually be really funny; I guess there *could* be some very important movies to watch! OR, were they observing *someone*. Given that it’s 1985, I have to wonder if they were observing alter-Olivia – at her first movie with her mom (re: “August”). I’m not quite sure what the timeline for Olivia’s age is, but she could be six in ’85, right?

    The other reason why I think it’s alter-Olivia they were observing, is because of the film poster in the background: “Clue”, which ties in nicely with the title of the next episode…

    Of course, with the absence of Peter from the alter-verse, I wonder how that’s affected alter-Olivia. Obviously, as they said, Peter is important, we just don’t know how. He seems to have an interesting connection with Olivia, but again, we don’t exactly know how or why. We know that Olivia was groomed for being the “gate keeper,” but was alter-Olivia? Why would the observers allow Walter to keep Peter on “this” side? I don’t think we really know too much about that, other than some kind of deal was struck. Aarrrrrgggghhhh!!! So many questions!

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    • mlj102 says

      JS – really good comment! You made a lot of great points and brought up a lot of questions I hadn’t considered. It is a bit mind boggling to try and contemplate all the variables and the differences between the realities and how events effect our characters. Hopefully those will be some of the things we see them address in the future.

      As for why the Observer let Walter keep Peter over here, maybe it was because he wanted to limit his amount of interference. Interfering to save Peter could be justified because it made up for the fact that he was the reason Walternate missed the cure and Peter was going to die, but to take it a step further and interfere to the point of returning Peter to the other side was too much interference. Maybe? Or, maybe alternate Peter was somehow going to end up over here anyway. Perhaps even if Walternate had discovered the cure on his own, Peter was supposed to end up on our side. Of course, the only way I can see that happening is if, in his grief, Walter just kidnapped Peter for the purpose of replacing his son, and we have no way of knowing if Walter would have ever done that. But it is a possibility…

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      • JS says

        Yeah, that’s an interesting point…. that Peter was always supposed to end up on this side. Do we know that it was Walter’s opening of the “door” to the other side that caused the blight over there, or was is something that was always supposed to happen (the blight, not Walter opening the portal)? If it was always supposed to happen, then I guess it’s fair to assume that the observers would really rather keep Peter on “this” side – keep him safe.

        And I guess I can see the observers not wanting to interfere any further, even if it means certain events, other than what they were expecting, have changed. It could be that if the “corrected” chain of events match closely enough to the original chain of events, it satisfies the observers.

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        • Elaine says

          I re-watched the episode last night with an eye on the details, and I was really impressed at how the episodes unfolded with echoes of previous episodes going back to the pilot. Nina’s arm, Walter’s falsified “Thanksgiving” story of supplanted memories to cover Peter’s abduction. Reiden Lake, the lake house, perception, Walternate, whom we officially met in ‘Fracture’. Bell’s meetings in Berlin, where Robert Bishop is from, and where David Robert Jones was imprisoned for stealing state secrets. Crossing over…the testing Walter and Bell did, the use of advanced technology they copied from the alternate universe. What the eye perceives. The first indication that Walter’s protection or fondness of Bell may also have been supplanted. Bell’s advice to Olivia about needing Peter by her side. Walter’s suggestion to Peter that he has no idea what he’s capable of, and that all of what’s happening very much has to do with him. The list goes on and on.

          Like someone mentioned upthread, if there was any doubt these guys are paying attention to the details of their story, this episode put those doubts to rest. In fact, in a lot of ways, it was detail overload…and there’s obviously more to come in the next seven episodes.

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  27. edgesight says

    Did anyone else see the double decker car drive past the observers? The same type that Astrid found a toy of in the evidence box last episode. :)

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  28. WWE Fan from LA says

    LOL, I noticed the Slushos too! Outside of the Back to the Future starring Eric Stoltz!

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  29. Elaine says

    One other thing I haven’t seen anyone else mention is the opening sequence included advances in science that are very much apart of our current reality. Home computing, laser surgery, invetrofertiliztion, dna profiling. Of course, the digital cell phone that was just a proto-type in 1985. Nice touch by the writers to give us a clear indication just how far advanced in technology the other side really is.

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  30. Elaine says

    From TV Review:

    The caring that 1985!Walter shows for his son extends as well to his wife. Knowing she was going to need something to help her deal with her grief, he showed her Peter 2.0 through the window to the alter-universe. He tells her, “Elizabeth. I’m telling you this because I want you to know that somewhere, Peter will grow up, somewhere he will lead a proper life, somewhere he will be happy, but just not here. And we must take comfort in this. And we must begin to move on.”

    It was a sweet moment, one that only a man capable of great caring could share with his wife, especially in a moment where a side of him, i.e. the scientific side, has had its ego so severely bruised by not being able to save his only son. Rest in peace, old conceptions of Walter.

    I read this a review a few moments ago, and this part caught my attention because that line gave us another understated answer about the Peter we know. What makes Walter’s comments all the more tragic is we know Peter will eventually become lost, so to speak. A nomadic criminal, who was a lot more comfortable playing it fast and loose, easing and charming his way into one dangerous and risky situation after another, although he was capable of so much more. He also he doesn’t grow up happy. Instead, he grows up misguided, angry and prone to mistrust.

    The consequences of Walter’s actions are so far reaching, it’s a bit unsettling to ponder.

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  31. Denise says

    They did a nice job of casting the young Peter. There’s some nice continuity between this episode and the one when Walter meets Peter again for the first time after 17 years in St. Claire’s, when he said something like “I thought you’d be fatter” and “you were rounder”. This boy had a close resemblance to the facial features of older Peter but was definitely more full in the face. So I appreciate this attention to details.

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